mircea_popescu: people did that sort of thing, back then. and all the fuckbook tards who paint the dude (rightfully or not, i don't give a shit) as the summum malum never as much as put together a fucking lego box.
mircea_popescu: but take this forinstance : thorouyghly hated politician active these days MADE his own fucking ARO (70s romanian SUV). OUT OF PARTS. WHICH HE BOUGTH.
mircea_popescu: depends. 80s were insufferable (but, according to eg stanculescu, still better than ru). 70s were supposedly great. 60s ro was ahead of the post-war pack, but still... europe. even the french had malnutrition.
mircea_popescu: proportionally 10x than the ru things, because smaller pop.
mircea_popescu: and you showed up like for the draft, paper in hand and specified comcast-style times. "between 8 and 17". people fucking camped at the plant.
mircea_popescu: i tell the girls stories, you know, "to get a car in the 80s you had to deposit 80k lei in this so and so account, and then 8 to 18 months later they'd call you TO THE PLANT and you'd get, mostly, a car. of whatever color they had available and maybe with all the parts. there were no fucking showrooms or anything, people drove the car home 500 kms.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 22:50 ben_vulpes: > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741801 << this inept socialist empire's vehicular nonsense is starting to sound a lot like the fabled stories of teh romanian socialist republic.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 20:03 phf: trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable*
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:38 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq.
asciilifeform: ( ditches the gnumake dependency, and much shorter and more makessensical process )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 18:36 asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB
mircea_popescu: trinque> I just beat his face in << better strategy. "bitch, by the time i'm done with you, your mom's gonna be begging to bring me my hat in her snatch every weekend after nine."
asciilifeform: the actual reason is the one described in 'death of the american city' -- j00z & puritans allied to nuke the irish and polish catholics in usa
mircea_popescu: the most amusing example being that in 1817, back when "miscegenation" was a serious offence, and in 2017, when "bbc" is kinda fashionable, the prevalence of black-white mixed kids born was ~same. cuz exogamy is a behaviour and society is a blather, guess which comes later.
mircea_popescu: trinque the theory isn't that it actually does anything ; the idea is that the ~reason~ they thought they're doing it was pretty dumb.
trinque: beat the fuck out of some kid that stole my recess hat, threw to friend
trinque: I mean, they wanted me to have a cultural experience outside my own, and... did.
mircea_popescu: recall when they started bussing kids to school lest you know, family ties survive or some such
asciilifeform: 'Under its own policies, Facebook should have flagged these ads, and prevented the posting of some of them. Its failure to do so revives questions about whether the company is in compliance with federal fair housing rules, as well as about its ability and commitment to police discriminatory advertising on the world’s largest social network.' << ohnoez, plebes illicitly trying to practice freedom of association
asciilifeform: the gunpoint conveniently provided by usg's unofficial footsoldiers.
asciilifeform: nobody would even contemplate paying the ludicrous 500k-1mil usd for a motherfucking cardboard box, other than at gunpoint.
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:51 asciilifeform: the reason why no experiment whatsoever with cheap housing en-masse is possible in usa, is that any locale with such becomes 'infested' overnight
a111: Logged on 2014-05-09 19:48 asciilifeform: one other thing about housing in usa - that is rarely spoken of in the open literature - is that the americans switched to housing price as a means of putting the '60-70s race wars on hold
a111: Logged on 2015-02-24 03:47 asciilifeform: housing and discrimination etc << the bans on 'asking wrong question' were enthusiastically pushed by the real estate racket, who were all too happy to have price become the one and only legal selector
ben_vulpes: facebook builds ad platforms that lets you target people based on skin color and income among a zillion other things, this is all great until people start advertising housing to whites
ben_vulpes: in other uproariously hilarious things: https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-advertising-discrimination-housing-race-sex-national-origin
ben_vulpes: fucking 'founders series' vehicle by a company trading on the public markets, give me a breka
ben_vulpes: > the founders series roadster will cost buyers a 250K down payment even though it's not coming for more than two years
ben_vulpes: there's yr rape, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: > two attackers accessed a private GitHub coding site used by Uber software engineers and then used login credentials they obtained there to access data stored on an Amazon Web Services account that handled computing tasks for the company...Later, they emailed Uber asking for money.
asciilifeform: whaack: not difficult to add up all of the various 'softfork' liquishit tho -- it shows up as 'cannot decode' on ben_vulpes's blockviewer
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
whaack: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741626 << From my cursory understanding of the segwit system there's no way to know if coins are in a segwit address until it is spent. It is effectively of the nature where you must know x in h(x) for the coins to be spent, so a miner cannot snag the coins until the segwitter tries to spend.
deedbot: whaack rated ben_vulpes 2 << friendly and helpful republican with knowledge of the sewers of the web
asciilifeform: this is more or less a given. what was the last heathen artifact that we found usable exactly as found? i can't recall even one
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:56 phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats
asciilifeform: wat's wrong with scheme-style simple state machine that knows when to cons a new cell , where symbol names begin/end, and which becomes the car/cdr .
phf: also probably want to not have #s because that requires a state of the environment
asciilifeform: ( which will not include #. because then all bets off. )
asciilifeform: could even formulate the very definition of a forum, as a set of folx who agree on a minimal readtable.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 19:57 asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem.
phf: as they say in russia, флаг в руки
phf: trinque: the point is about exchange standard, rather than effect. we can also follow eran gatt's approach and specify a *safe-readtable*
phf: there's no such thing as a standard sexps. sure (foo "bar" 1.2) but #\abc or #x123 exist in the same realm as #.(...)
asciilifeform: phf: programmable readtables belong in the harem.
phf: we can of course specify our own subset of sexp that we use for interchange (along the lines of what http://www.islisp.info/ did) but that comes with all the "specify our own interchange format" caveats
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1740959 << i think i said that in logs before, but sexp is a poor data exchange format. read operation relies on current state of *readtable* and traditionally readtable is customized to specific operator needs. there's a default *readtable*, but it's too unconstrained to be used for deserialization of untrusted data, since it, for example, supports arbitrary code execution, circular structures, etc.
phf: strings as lists of character is a schemist wankery anyway along the "our cpu uses church numerals!1"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:21 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737956 <-- but lists are sequences too, and strings can be represented as lists. this becomes problematic when O(1) random accesses are needed. if/when that happens, I will have to implement arrays, but until then... strings are lists-of-characters.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741179 << you can just ignore the whole "string" question in first version, McCarthy's lisp used symbols instead of strings (that's why early nlp code, like eliza all come out as DOG SAID, HELLO) and the only operation you could do at some point was read and eq.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:57 asciilifeform: pretty sure his ( and others ) give back the bytes that were put in ( which imho is correct behaviour )
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741280 << it doesn't, logotron necessarily has to interpret the nature of bytes (because the display layer is explicitly encoded). so the log collection and storage is 8 bit clean, but display makes assumpetions for rendering purpose. specifically i assume that log is utf8, but if utf8 decoder fails on line, i fall back to latin-1 (this is a traditional irc mechanism, details of which have been discussed)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 12:19 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-14#1737923 <-- also, spyked's adalisp is missing more fundamental things, such as closures. it's an early prototype, barely usable, but > 0. interning is of course considered, but not added yet. anyway, phf, consider the following point: built-in symbols (car, cons, etc.) still have to point *somewhere*, and that somewhere must not be addressed in a C-machine style! symbols should point to Lisp memory (via
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741176 << i don't need to consider that, i grok metacircularity, i.e. there's no such thing as builtin symbols. bytecode or not is lateral to that point.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 03:40 pete_dushenski: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740754 << am i the only one who can't read "dex" without thinking "dexedrine" ? phf ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741053 << i'm not part of the amphetamine culture. i like to sleep
asciilifeform: ( granted, it is not an ~impossible~ matter, as it would be if the proggy had been written in pointerlang. but merely ~difficult~. )
asciilifeform: theoretically the same applies to other bounds checks, but the proof is a much trickier matter
asciilifeform: and safe to switch off if (and only if) you can prove that there are at no point uninitialized variables read
asciilifeform: i will add that the bounds checking code , which we have because idjit pc arch , dwarfs the actual algos
asciilifeform: ( for max speed you want ~0 function calls at all, if possible, for so long as the thing still fits in cache )
asciilifeform: in other noose, ffa elf on x86-64 with no inlinings and stripped .a , is ~50kB
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 17:54 asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts.
asciilifeform: socket more often the problem.
ben_vulpes: oh also receptacle is very high on the wall, extending made it a guaranteed fit, replacing woulda been tight borderline not-workable.
asciilifeform: 'trivially' in the sense where you dun need any higher tech than screwdriver
ben_vulpes: when heater element goes, then, fine.
asciilifeform: typically it's attached to lug bolts under the cover
ben_vulpes: leprosy cheese on the shit sandwich of american products is that the dryer power cable was not trivially replaceable, had to be extended.
asciilifeform: this is sorta the pasteurized milk thread again, in different light. 'can't have unmolested milk, because ~must~ have caged cows, and ergo unmolested milk will killya' etc
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: buy the plug, the actual-copper 30amp 4conductor cable, and make new cord, then attach to the internal bolts.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 30amp 220v cord dun come in 'extension' in usa, for the obvious reason that the cable dun come in real-copper and the socket dun come in non-chinese, ergo automatic fire hazard.
ben_vulpes: semi-relatedly, i went to build an extension cord for my dryer, ~all the old women at the hardwarestoremegachain insisted that i simply could not do what i was going to do
BingoBoingo: This happens. I see idea executed dangerously and poorly. Then "What if maintained and done better?" Often for many idiot things right means unreasonable, and then there is la escalara de winch.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n". << Quiero sus escalara de winch, no. Quiero mis escalera de winch, si.
cruciform: mircea_popescu: nothing prepared me for the brainrot of BTCtalk BTG official thread
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 16:53 cruciform: people posted their unswept BTC privkeys into it; lost their BTC
cruciform: at the least the scams are rapidly diminishing in SFYL damage to noobs: BCH > BTG > http://supersmartbitcoin.com/
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Gold Core is a full Bitcoin Gold client and builds the backbone of the network. It offers high levels of security, privacy, and stability. However, it has fewer features and it takes a lot of space and memory.
cruciform: pete_dushenski: thanks for your BCH article, btw - got me off the couch
mircea_popescu: right. when was the cutoff date for this one ?
cruciform: mircea_popescu: yea; the exchange doesn't ID you though
scriba: Logged on 2017-11-21: [14:05:15] <jurov> also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2017/i-fucking-love-science-or-why-global-warming-wouldnt-produce-superhurricanes/#comment-123582 << in other breakfasrt physics
asciilifeform: ever since the 'let's fill up the blox with liquishit and push 'scalingism'' agenda was cooked up.
asciilifeform: in ~that~ sense most of the conventional coin 'movement' is spamola.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 15:34 asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
a111: Logged on 2014-08-16 21:38 asciilifeform: it went entirely like the tale of gorbachev and andropov
asciilifeform: in-house they certainly http://btcbase.org/log/2014-08-16#798878 . betcha the sum of ~block rewards~ going into segshitness addrs to date is 0.
asciilifeform: they see it as 'noble lie' etc.
asciilifeform: the segshitter's 'wrong' is deliberately crafted disinfo, for the consumption of redditards. why would they recant.
mircea_popescu: original comment applies equally well to the whole agitcamp.
mircea_popescu: i'm not even sure which exact schmucktard we're talking of, there were a bunch.
asciilifeform: i evaluated, thusly , that the man is a swine.
asciilifeform: morals are in fact what remains when there is nothing else with which to evaluate...
asciilifeform: some people are only distinguished from 'short' pig in that they stand on two legs. and these in fact are made ~entirely of extrinsic motivation.
asciilifeform: but no, sofa does not enter discussion of morals other than in re 'the thirty pieces of silver, were in fact troo silver', evidently some quislings are paid handsomely, rather than left to flap on the wind esr-style
asciilifeform: funnily and coincidentally, it was happening at exactly the same time as, far away, asciilifeform refused to take 'top seekrit' holy orders for usg 'contractor'
asciilifeform: afaik kako had nothing that could be confused for morals. took the thirty pieces of silver, and living it up.
asciilifeform: in application to d00d who never showed any symptoms of intrinsic (i.e. theorems) -- yes
mircea_popescu: and can you believe the utter schmucktard still hasn't posted nude pics with appology scribbled in his own blood where his ballsac/eyes/etc used to be ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 14:32 asciilifeform: 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered'
a111: Logged on 2017-09-12 21:08 rothbart: I've been trying to grok the segwit "theft" incentive - as the bounty grows, so does the PoW defending it - doesn't this keep the segwit outputs safe?
asciilifeform: and gotta luvv folx who see 'hefty bit of bytes, but dust' and then ask for proofier proof when presented with 'miners are wreckers'
asciilifeform: ( last i saw, there was a hefty bit )
mircea_popescu: unbeaten kids can't plan, is the truth of the matter. they get too wrapped up in their narcissistic desires and then before you know it newton sits down to discover the theory of how right they are.
asciilifeform: incidentally, anybody bother lately to add up how much anyonecanspendolade in typical block ?
mircea_popescu: they're terrible at planning, if the constant strategic superiority saga wasn't suggesting it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a bit of difficulty wrapping head around this scene -- picture the convo, 'hey y'know what they'll luvvv?' 'i know! for transactions to be REVERSIBLE!11 by some chinese d00d!'
mircea_popescu: basically, they had all the lohtron ready and oiled, sadly no sheep went that way, trying to get as much as possible out of its functionings anyway ?
asciilifeform: 'we helped a user recover the coins by mining the tx without broadcasting it. can help others who need help'
asciilifeform: 'the first SegWit address whose funds were recovered'
jurov: also, there's "bitvoin gold" pump going too, apparently it's possible to exchange for BTC the same way as BCH, will be looking into it
spyked: I'll get back to the "working cli/tui js browser" problem later, back to adalisp for now.
mircea_popescu: rs ago EVEN LIVED, what do you mean they had it way better than me."
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:07 ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741576 << this being, of course, why the "no updates" thing is such a thorn in the side of the fiatist mind. if we DID updates, (NO MATTER WHICH!!!! even if we only did the reasonable ones!) then there'd be the sort of ~continuity~ that's the paramount ingredient in socialist reconstructions of the world, whereby "progress" and "i can't understand what those women of like... more than 20 yea
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:13 ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'"
mircea_popescu: "rectify the situation in the best possible manner to everyone's benefit" in the sense of an everyone*, specially defined, niggers-fatties-and-jews=everyone* ?
mircea_popescu: "will provide further updates AS THEY become available". disavowal overdrive, what the fuck, THE UPDATES are the agent here ? they make themselves avaoilable like elliott's girlfriends ?
mircea_popescu: "oh you know what ? let's now STEAL THE HAVING STOLEN, too!!11". dorks.
mircea_popescu: "Tether issuances have not been affected by this attack, and all Tether tokens remain fully backed by assets in the Tether reserve." lmao what TEH FUCK is this supposed to mean! they just announced that a) tether issuances have been affected and b) tether tokens no longer backed.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 07:06 ben_vulpes: https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's dangerous, that shit, esp in a country where the only style of maintenance is "is it broken y/n".
mircea_popescu: lol ben_vulpes . "the title of hyena of the empire and a cash prize of 500 botswanan pula is hereby bestowed upon joe schmoe."
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> the hyenas of the empire lurk, waiting to pick us off one by one if they can << Hynenas of empires, slugs of ownbrain, particuly adorable yet hungry excretions from girl you've become fond of. Many hazards to republic
BingoBoingo: Still, if buying into the IRA/401k dream, gotta go to Roth
ben_vulpes: this is a hilarious curveball to throw civvies: "but i thought you were so virulently anti-altcoin?" "no man," long drag on cigarette, "you gotta realize that even the dipshittiest, hilariously self-critting piece of nonsense like the thing that self-advertised as usgcoin /is still a better buy than usg fictions like the 'roth ira'"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: look when there's actual even halfway sorta (((cryptocurrency))) involved, no responsible disclosure will ever happen
ben_vulpes: whole thing devolves into 'i r wrote software and then the bad thing happened because of bad people!'
ben_vulpes: these slime are un-ticking ~every box. and i guess this is unsurprising because socialism clouds memetic space until nobody even remembers, however many years later /what the fuck was so cool about bitcoin in the first place/
ben_vulpes: https://tether.to/tether-critical-announcement/ << see this is so much the opposite of a 'crypto currency'
ben_vulpes: in other abusive workplaces: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1711.2/01701.html
BingoBoingo: Of all the chances to not take with an indeterminate machine, that seems like an easy one to avoid
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sure, but there's absolutely nothing easier to tell people than the truth
BingoBoingo: And to those who get more detail: "How do you know these people" "I've been doing writing and piece work for them off and on for some years, and now there's a need for more me"
lobbes: <BingoBoingo> [04:33:27] It is indeed. Also first voyage on an airplane. << damn. btw, if yer sinuses are as bad as mine the final descent (~30 mins) is usually accompanied by intense ear pain/itching.
BingoBoingo: Typical conversation at BingoBoingo store since turning in notice: "Wait, where are you going?" "Uruguay" "Where are you going to be working" "The Internet" "Why the fuck is there any interest in you going there" "I have a very particular set of skills"
BingoBoingo: Aha, and in republic's state of necessity the dilemma is exactly http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/#identifier_6_74280 EXCEPT having partaken of the logs since 2013 and having done so sober since 2015, there is no accident of innocence which could excuse not going
BingoBoingo: The affair will be blogged.
BingoBoingo: "Airport" down the road even claims to host world "powered parachute" thing
asciilifeform: i saw one being flown in timişoara -- possibly literally a sopwith . buzzing the steeples.
BingoBoingo: Lol, some have own planes but of the cloth and tentpoles variety. Then again driving is less of a burden when 1 minute of time in vehicle translates into at least one mile of forward movement.
asciilifeform: who makes a compiler like this, and why, is anybody's guess. for all i know, we're the first folx ever to use gnat and at the same time give half a shit re speed.
asciilifeform: ... even of same params outside and then inside a funct call !
a111: Logged on 2017-11-21 00:54 asciilifeform: in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
asciilifeform: meanwhile asciilifeform found one of the culprits of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-21#1741492 horror : https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gnat_ugn/Validity-Checking.html#Validity-Checking
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: depends on which randos are telling the truth, which -- not, neh
shinohai: https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/useless-ethereum-token/ <<< I thought this was all of 'em
asciilifeform: ( blows the pipeline -- snail speed )
asciilifeform: ... pretty depressing, and just about obscene, you could just about fit msdos mega-game DIGGER.COM in the space taken by gcc's notion of ffa_mul_comba !
asciilifeform: ooh and guess what, pragma Inline_Always(...) arbitrarily ( in some % of cases, prolly based on size of subprogram ) has the effect of... take a guess
asciilifeform: motherfucking disgrace.
asciilifeform: in other noose HOLYMOTHEROFFUCK does gcc backend shit out liquishit , e.g., http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/bP9jt/?raw=true
BingoBoingo: I though you like them warm shinohai
asciilifeform: typical, http://adagin.blogspot.com/2013/12/ada-2005-access-types-part-i.html , lively : type Hooker_Array is array (Positive range <>) of Hooker_Class_Ptr; procedure Violate_Bodies (x : Hooker_Array); ... 'We want to track all our victims, presumably in some sort of set or container, so that we might disinter them later as needed. Similarly, we might also want to do strange, awful things with the dead bodies of the hookers.'
asciilifeform: ( did we ever do the al schwartz crushed roach pheromone thread ? let it be said that even insect can sometimes 'learn from the death of others' )
asciilifeform: what part of skip! straight! to! the! rape! is hard to understand.
asciilifeform: meanwhile at the house of entomology, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=8&cpage=1#comment-18290
asciilifeform: i've nfi what's in there, mebbe lolcat pics
asciilifeform: o develop the pronouncing dictionary we have used the largest online dictionary for Romanian language, the DexOnline dictionary [13]. DexOnline dictionary is freely available, can be downloaded from the Internet as a mysqldump generated SQL file and used in accordance with the terms of GNU General Public License. The database can be easily restored on a MySQL database server.'
asciilifeform: 'Based on the input grapheme codes, the neural networks generate one by one the 30 bit code indicating the presence or the absence of the 30 articulatory features. The output feature vectors are compared with the encoded vectors of the phonemes used. The distance between the output vector and each coded vector is calculated using Manhattan distance function and the system response is chosen as the vector with the smallest distance. T
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't perchance know the fella ? having studied at cluj
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 01:01 mircea_popescu: now, i would much appreciate if you took the current bs and ipa'd it properly (it's not THAT hard, ro ipa set is narrow and unambiguous)
mircea_popescu: it's all there is ; then people wrangle themselves into a tizzy trying to "fix" the unfixable.
diana_coman: ah, there is that, certainly
mircea_popescu: not to mention the top-3 men average will beat the shit out of the top-5 or top-3 women average, which is the problem in academia.
mircea_popescu: and average doesn't have to be higheer, at all. if five men are measured by your criteria as 12, 11, 10, 9, 8 and five women are measured 10.5, 10.4, 10.3, 10.2 and 10.1, the female average is still way over the male average and yet the first two Xs will be men.
mircea_popescu: possibly move the average, but it's still not going to have an impact. women alive today compete with people alive today not with the previous generations
diana_coman: and then there are anyway tradeoffs at all points; e.g. male stronger, yes; but generally less agile
diana_coman: to start with I'm not sure there is such total separation between genders as in searches in male gender means advances do not translate further down the line in moving up the average on female gender too , for instance
diana_coman: I can't say I really looked into this; I do remember your trilema article on this idea re searching in the male gender
mircea_popescu: you lower the bar for any objective performance you will get more women qualified ; and conversely the only way to increase female prevalence in any activity is to lower the performative bar.
mircea_popescu: that's the sadness of evo biology : if you have a sexuate species (as the predicate) then you will have sexual dismorfism. because if you don't, why bother with sexuation. if you have sexual dismorfism, you will have a more diverse and a less diverse gender. because that's what dismorfism IS. if you conventionally name the more diverse gender male (as you do) and the less diverse gender female (as you do), then NECESSARILY as
diana_coman: oh, it helps to pretend for a bit longer and then fall from the top of a higher cliff; is that the help?
diana_coman: who the hell does it help exactly
diana_coman: but yes, that's my point: it's nothing to do with women per se being there; all to do with lowering the bar
mircea_popescu: fucking didn't end either.
diana_coman: dunno the facts there, but afaik professional cooks are still majority men, aren't they
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends. <- more like whenever *everyone* makes it into something, it's a clear bet that it's not anymore the something it used to be
mircea_popescu: there's no "ill make myself beautiful and then win" solipsistic approach. make yourself really obedient and you'll win.
mircea_popescu: others' mileage may vary, of course. but as far as i'm concerned...
mircea_popescu: all this aside, i'm very performance driven. i care much more about what she does than what she looks like. which is why djb, sexy as she might be, has nevertheless 0 hot factor for me. ill behaved / stupid hotties are not hot to any degree i can personally measure.
asciilifeform: possibly. afaik no photo of 16-noether survives.
mircea_popescu: the moustache appears later.
mircea_popescu: also, the testosterone issue is visible in much older women. when she was 16, noether was as much helped by the 16 yo's boon as any other girl.
asciilifeform: sad thing is, 'noethers' have a tendency to die fairly young and virgo intacta
mircea_popescu: noether ? yes.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 21:05 asciilifeform: ( revisiting upstack: one sad irony of beelzebub : the world-class chix, e.g. emmy noether, tend to be square faces. testosterone will do that. )
asciilifeform: fwiw not only does mircea_popescu not keep those in his harem, but wouldn't want to . high testosterone ( ever see portrait of e. noether ? )
asciilifeform: this is yet another of those occasions when asciilifeform is half-convinced mircea_popescu posts from a parallel dimension, where females who can keep e.g. 100-state fsm in their skull, are something other than 1 ppb
mircea_popescu: if you wait to sharpen your fangs until you have what to use them on... you won't have the time!
asciilifeform: lol it'll be the translationdictionary dirigible thread alloveragain won't it.
mircea_popescu: explicit power relations, including rape as a definite portion of the curricula, all that good stuff.
asciilifeform: afaik the 'private' unis are exactly same, but with fatter idjits
asciilifeform: re asciilifeform's local shithole, moar interesting observation -- at one time the comp sci dept was ~90% male. today -- after subjects like 'operating systems', 'compilers' -- where you gotta form a working mental model of what the fuck yer doing, or you have no chance , and the working material is not amenable to 'i'ma randomly hammer until it works' -- no moar.
mircea_popescu: some of them, at least.
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the men leave when a profession is deskilled. at least in the weaver example.
mircea_popescu: no but see, hos moar "conscientious" than bros. 49% female faculty = 70% female campus walkers. because they put in more hours etc.
asciilifeform: interestingly they also doctor the Official stats re subj : a casual walk through u of md reveals ~70+% femality, but Official figure, last i saw, was 49 or somesuch
mircea_popescu: what happened a few decades ago was the transition to the macgonagall stage, so to speak. first clowns take over, then women.
mircea_popescu: the writing is on the wall : whenever women become dominant in [what used to be] a profession, that profession ends.
asciilifeform: howdjaguess, 'At the University of Texas at Austin where I teach, the sex ratio is 54 percent women to 46 percent men. This imbalance may not seem large at first blush. But when you do the math it translates into a hefty 17 percent more women than men in the local mating pool. Speculations about reasons range widely. They include the gradual removal of gender discrimination barriers and women’s higher levels of conscientiousness (r
mircea_popescu: let me guess, "can't find enough males willing to support the fantasy" ?
asciilifeform: 'The Mating Crisis Among Educated Women' << lol!!
mircea_popescu: there's some scene in some italian film in which a woman (who is trying to convince a guy she believes is a movie producer to take her pubescent daugther to the movie-making place) says "sfondami tutta". during copulation (she also offered to hold down same daughter for defloration). she does not literally mean that she wants him to tear her uterus through her abdomen and into the light.
ben_vulpes: ahahand in tangentially related hate speech: "assortative coupling on education level does have an unintended down side -- it's a major contributor to economic inequality in the larger society", from https://www.edge.org/response-detail/26747
trinque: "that was offensive to Naomi and all women" << it's a great day for canada, and therefore the world
mircea_popescu: heh, the whole "drama" is by now legit kink play.
asciilifeform: 'We will be publishing a diversity audit of Make: as a company and our properties, and will be setting goals to drive progress on these issues' << самокритика !1111
asciilifeform: 'she and other Chinese makers are every bit as capable and creative as their Western counterparts' << ahahahahahawat
ben_vulpes: https://makezine.com/2017/11/19/apology-to-naomi-wu/ << the self flagellation will continue until morale improves
shinohai: For a while I really liked the w3m browser, there was rumored to be js plugin for it, though link to original www is ded and I cannot find info on it anywhere.
mircea_popescu: now this i have nfi why would occur. the exact details are buried somewhere in archives, but it's been a while ;/
spyked: re. links/elinks js, mircea_popescu, shinohai, thanks for the pointers. attempts so far to get a working item failed, but it's worth reporting what I've found. long story short, elinks depends on libmozjs, steps at http://archive.is/UFpsz work only visiting e.g. http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/#selection-21.75-21.93 gives the following error: "The requested fragment
asciilifeform: '...demanded that Mr Hedger tell him the combination for two safes... men made off with more than £120,000 worth of jewellery watches and valuables' then shot , etc.
mircea_popescu: apparently they don't kick you out of church if you suck at singing. this is a problem.
mircea_popescu: in other news, ended up in local church after walk this morning. had to leave once priest showed up and the womenz starting "singing" an hymn
ben_vulpes: also wtf, look at this inept shit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/11/20/sex-education-needs-graphic-teens-trying-taboo-practices-say/ "trying taboo practices", no link to original paper, what the hell am i even looking at
a111: Logged on 2017-11-20 14:52 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-20#1741262 <-- I tried building a long time ago, but couldn't get it to do js. I'll give it a second shot. will also try to link js library against libc without unicode support (it seems links depends on libmozjs). /me adds another write-up to the list for when he gets this to work.