mircea_popescu: if i mention how i had slave-labour-made fresh crannberies sauce as well as yogurt chimichurri for the lamb over thxgiving (which we don't even actually celebrate) i'm just being an asshole rite.
asciilifeform: 'And that party will be awesome. It will contain real people. It will have cheese dip. And premium gouda. And tasty Hostess treats. Yes, even Chocodiles. And people with actual souls. People with consciousness. From Socrates to Billy Ocean. The collective progress of Humankind. Of which you are no longer a member. Sorry, toad pimple. You forever vanquished your right to lay claim to the progression narrative of the human race.'
mircea_popescu: and in other much belated lulz, http://hotchickswithdouchebags.com/blog/2016/12/the-shunning-of-the-trump-voter/ aka the winner of the trump butthurt competition
mircea_popescu: t from the host, which is what containers do. System services can still be part of the host and can still maybe see it but not necessarily access things." this'd then be the empire's gothic line. as the man observes himself, ""the concepts and logic behind it aren't really convincing".)
mircea_popescu: (re link, the worthy quote, for they too lazy to dig, being "Poettering, as usual, is working on his own solutions and not complaining about the problem. He is working on bringing service management to the next level. He wants to make it easy so users can sandbox system service without necessarily isolating them completely from the host-ware. No need to pretend that a system service is a set of processes completely independen
mircea_popescu: (this, btw, is what reddit is like ON ITS OWN POWER, ie when conde nast isn't tripping up the fake account levers)
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/LinuxCirclejerk/comments/7errt4/im_lennart_poettering_ama/ << not even reddit can be bothered to care.
mircea_popescu: even the push pieces are 3rd hand
mircea_popescu: https://thenewstack.io/unix-greatest-inspiration-behind-systemd/ "Lennart Poettering is one of those few extremely prolific and brilliant engineers who have literally changed the design of Linux-based operating systems."
mircea_popescu: doing utterly 3rd tier "gnome asia summit", for the same money he could be entertaining in atlantic city.
mircea_popescu: a, did the original poettering disappear btw ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 13:17 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514253 << it was eaten by systemd. there is a (last i saw, working) clean fork, 'eudev'. and it looks like phf explains further down in the l0gz.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:18 ben_vulpes: with the old stage3, emerge-webrsync downloads what it wants (i think), but then barfs at the end with "Failed to validate a sane /dev
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1742982 << this may be related to the insiduous poetterinization of udev
asciilifeform: it is nearly impossible to remove the tentacles
a111: Logged on 2017-11-25 00:08 ben_vulpes: looks to be some python strange, using an older stage3 gives similar errors until i set the python profile to 2.7
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: most of yer impurity is not the laevo- isomer but intermediate cruft
gabriel_laddel: Melting poing can't tell ISO from meth. MSM & other cuts can be acetone washed out.
mircea_popescu: after the guys even fucking answer.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-25#1743016 << ftr that's 13.2k usd at current exchange rate. for a box that 1) is about same as 1k usd opteron 2) other than cpu, is made of exactly same stuff
mircea_popescu: next you're gonna tell me ai isn't quite here yet and quantum computers not right around the corner, not to mention no 3d printed guns.
mircea_popescu: i though usb nullifies lens aberration through the power of unicode.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shoot 'em an email see if they can deliver ?
mircea_popescu: fromloper what's your relation to the item ? "something i found on the internet" ? or ?
a111: Logged on 2015-08-28 01:24 mircea_popescu: the people in life are people from movies,
mircea_popescu: so you should be able to either filter meth by a succession of rapid wrist swipes or else shoot lasers out of your eyes.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, marie c glowed in the dark.
mircea_popescu: in the movies.
mircea_popescu: trinque you're just being negative, people solve really difficult problems when they also strap a ticking timebomb to their ass all the time
trinque: this is gonna be a rock bottom story for the ages.
gabriel_laddel: I'm curious about the utility of microscopes. Don't really care about meth purity too much.
gabriel_laddel: Anyone made use of these digital usb microscopes in any context & have thoughts?
gabriel_laddel: 1000x magnification seems unrealistic - that being said: if I crush some product, take hundreds of images of each sample & use them as input into a neural network along with a 1-10 (bunk-absolute fire) rating y'think it'll get trained to recognize the real deal?
ben_vulpes: !!up gabriel_laddel are you going to say something or just keep opening and closing the browser tab
ben_vulpes: i'm doing this inside a chroot, so i think maybe something isn't mounted correctly? i've tried it both the way that mod6 suggested to me (-o bind /dev $chroot/dev) and the way the gentoo installation handbook says (mount --rbind /dev dev/)
mircea_popescu: how the fuck not ?!
ben_vulpes: with the old stage3, emerge-webrsync downloads what it wants (i think), but then barfs at the end with "Failed to validate a sane /dev
mircea_popescu: do you have unapproved random in the box, citizen ?
ben_vulpes: looks to be some python strange, using an older stage3 gives similar errors until i set the python profile to 2.7
BingoBoingo: "The urbanite will claim to be the true representative voice of America, but they are but a degenerated version of it. While we, the ruralites, are the true holders of our myriad cultures!" ... "Once we have achieved this strong base and brotherhood of agrarian identity, we can begin to push aspects of Agrarian Nationalism economically, socially, and politically."
BingoBoingo: More on the countdown to Pol Pot https://identitydixie.com/2017/11/24/crush-the-urbanite-agrarian-identity/
mod6: I've updated the trb-howto guide to include 'curl' in the list of required binaries / packages ; Thanks to whaack for pointing out the glaring omission there.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-24 15:03 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742941 <- to my mind everything that is in there still stands as it is (assuming Qntra will be back soon); perhaps only on the study side but I'm not really sure it makes sense to give very precise items there anyway - who wants to study won't have problems finding what matters for TMSR at any given point anyway and who is not interested won't benefit from more specific items listed there
phf: the image generator though has to walk the whole history at once, requiring the same 0.3s at once
phf: that's the meaning of 500+, but it gets gradually expanded as you follow the pages, so the speed starts dropping. so the last page of mircea_popescu search (http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mircea_popescu&page=512) takes 0.3s, which is maxint it takes to walk the whole history
phf: the search, btw, cheats. it walks enough history to produce enough entries for current page+5 more pages, so searching for something like mircea_popescu is super fast, because you get 500 entries in less messages
phf: (there can still be a linked separate endpoint that generates a standalone image, possibly at a lower coarseness, etc.)
phf: i think the only worthwhile optimization left to do is roll the image generation into search.. because right now i'm doing double work, once for the search and once for the image.
phf: right now the bucket is basically 2 days (i.e. 2*24*60*60)
phf: so the bucket is made by running truncate against a certain divisor on the message timestamp in seconds. so playing with divisor gives me more/less coarse buckets
phf: i dropped it to ~~.6s and i'm not messing with it any further. about .3s of that is the search, so image generation and building of histogram is another .3s
phf: ok, here's a more integrated PoC http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=from%3Amircea+god the image is being generated full scale, but then force by the browser to be 1000px wide. (fwiw, while still cheap, it is more expensive to resize it, than to spit out the whole thing)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-24 14:14 mircea_popescu: and speaking of ^, does http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ need revising ?
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742941 <- to my mind everything that is in there still stands as it is (assuming Qntra will be back soon); perhaps only on the study side but I'm not really sure it makes sense to give very precise items there anyway - who wants to study won't have problems finding what matters for TMSR at any given point anyway and who is not interested won't benefit from more specific items listed there
mircea_popescu: and speaking of ^, does http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-participate-in-the-affairs-of-the-most-serene-republic/ need revising ?
mircea_popescu: aaand for the record, the correct way to set the entry message is : "/msg chanserv set #trilema entrymsg To speak in #trilema you must be voiced" etc.
mircea_popescu: so don't kill yourself over it ; if it knows no easy solution may be solved in x years, there's pressinger things.
mircea_popescu: by now we're far out on the edges of lisp-for-html-imagemagicks.
phf: asciilifeform: added a dragon line, some other indicators might be worthwhile, like year markers..
a111: Logged on 2017-11-24 06:29 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i gotta nitpick, there is afaik no direct connection b/w meth and tooth decay. strictly in the temptation to 'hey i didnt sleep, why brush teeth..'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-24#1742890 << there is, there is. metamphetamine overdrives half the metabolic mechanism, not just the parts you notice.
gabriel_laddel: phf: the point being? Fwiw, I'm trying to forced march myself into some stable employment while crippled.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-24 06:08 phf: gabriel_laddel: i have a yoga mat, a strip of lsd, a supply of codeine and a medical insurance card; i don't question their usefulness, i just think it's important to be able to discriminate, so as to apply each one of them appropriately
mircea_popescu: i was thinking they'd be horiz right under "x entries in y seconds"
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: There is still plenty to do. CLIM's COM-FOO machinery has to be cut & replaced with "functions most often called on / FTYPE matches this as a valid ARG"
gabriel_laddel: then -- BLAM. Tweaking.
gabriel_laddel: Eg the other day it "didn't kick in", so I had another few mouthfuls of methwater, only to remember "oh fk, I have to have coffee or it won't work"
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> asciilifeform There is jaw clenching if you accidentally take too much << What accidentally and too much?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform There is jaw clenching if you accidentally take too much
asciilifeform: much of the physical pathology of meth and coke aficionados is from effect of eschewing sleep, rather than the actual substance
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The connection is xerostymia, no salivary cleaning action goes on while meth'd
BingoBoingo: From my encouters with those how have ended their forced marches while still vertical, mid 4 figure bezzel bucks is standard... or dentures
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i gotta nitpick, there is afaik no direct connection b/w meth and tooth decay. strictly in the temptation to 'hey i didnt sleep, why brush teeth..'
asciilifeform: legs aint the problem
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo The INSTANT I have an option out, I'm gone.
asciilifeform: '... an experiment in creating a home built around purpose, intention, and exploration. We are 13 residents and we employ experimental, fluid use of space, sharing behaviors and the creation of new ways of being. Within our space we have short term guest spaces and during the day the space is used by writers, artists, hackers and film makers.'
gabriel_laddel: Nor have I forgotten $ELSE. Simply overestimated own ability / underestimated the complete idiocy of surrounding populace
phf: it might actually be cheaper to roll the operation into search, and then use an inline base64 img..
gabriel_laddel: While I'm here: At no point did I forget that I'd agreed to build the archiver - however I was banned from the place I'd arranged to host it on 3(!) separate occasions.
asciilifeform: the b-a split
phf: these'll be disabled when i go to sleep in a few though
a111: Logged on 2016-11-30 23:38 asciilifeform: dopes that make the eater happier to do repetitive / dumb task, are death to programmer.
phf: gabriel_laddel: i have a yoga mat, a strip of lsd, a supply of codeine and a medical insurance card; i don't question their usefulness, i just think it's important to be able to discriminate, so as to apply each one of them appropriately
BingoBoingo: In other news: "Kenwanna Randolph, a 24-year-old woman from Chicago, was traveling northbound on Illinois Avenue approaching Mill Street when she reported not seeing the officer’s emergency lights or hearing the siren. The front of Randolph’s Ford Fiesta struck the passenger side of the police car, causing major damage to both vehicles, police said. "
a111: Logged on 2016-12-01 18:19 asciilifeform: but quite destructive to folx who are doing equivalent of ~planning~ the march
asciilifeform: the q invites itself -- forced march to ~where~
gabriel_laddel: Brånemark spent almost 30 years fighting the scientific community for acceptance of osseointegration as a viable treatment. In Sweden he was often openly ridiculed at scientific conferences.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 22:31 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: what'd the lawyer say?
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740498 < "Are you employed? The courts are looking for lost wages in medmal cases" << You are supposed to answer "My wages are sin, I am loosing enjoyment from life from this suffering"
a111: Logged on 2017-11-24 04:35 phf: asciilifeform: ty, and another question, where was the code for that com1 to display thing that you had?
gabriel_laddel: Finally figured out how to score meth tho. Tis the bomb diggity & works exactly as I noted here in the logs prior to finding it.
gabriel_laddel: After that call + several others failing to pick up, I gave up on the whole thing. If you lived out here, you'd not expect sanity from the court system, or any established entity tbh
mircea_popescu: a really ? finally moved to limit the tort nonsense via employment weird trick ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-18 22:31 ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: what'd the lawyer say?
gabriel_laddel: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-18#1740498 < "Are you employed? The courts are looking for lost wages in medmal cases"
mircea_popescu: "Traditional gateware design with Verilog and VHDL is well known to be tedious and inefficient. M-Labs have developed Migen, a Python-based HDL and toolbox that addresses many of their issues and makes gateware design more productive. Built on Migen, MiSoC provides a high performance, flexible and lightweight solution to build system-on-chips for various applications."
mircea_popescu: phf heathen doesn't even begin to describe it btw. fellow has not just the logger, but a pile of cogent stuff, say https://lab.whitequark.org/notes/2017-11-08/accessing-intel-ich-pch-gpios/ while at the same time managing to work for patent nonsense (quantum computer makers etc), retweeting alf's favourite isis and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: you'll basically get a smoother curve than what you have now
mircea_popescu: you just decide on a pixel count based on your design, and then you split the 24 * 3600 day into that many units
phf: right now it's tracking proportional message count per hour, so perhaps message count per minute, but then it's a 1440 pixels width
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the current what is it.
mircea_popescu: but, honestly, you might ALSO make that full width and use the same approach for it.
mircea_popescu: can keep all of these in a world-accessible directory which is purged say weekly. or whatever, "once a week of all items older than a week" like the pastes.
mircea_popescu: u use it as an anchor to the full size item.
mircea_popescu: you decide on an image to be displayed on search page, specifically. "i want it 1024 x 168 pixels". you separately produce a png, as wide as day count, and as tall as daycount * 168 / 1024 rounded. you fill that png with the proper lines, proportionally (so highest count day gets full line, all other days get proportional line). then you scale it down to 1024 x 168. you publish this scaled down item on the search page, and yo
phf: hmm, i'm not groking the whole compressed version thing
mircea_popescu: phf you know what you could do, add it to search pages. would that be a lot of cpu ? to spit out a png maybe 2k x 200 tall, and link it from a compressed version on the search page.
mircea_popescu: i don't think the functionality as such is particularly useful, i prefer the search. however the perspective actually is, filters would prolly empower the searching mind.
mircea_popescu: make a call like histograph?derpage, puts out a png with the histograph for that item
phf: because #; in question is a javascript and for a specific day. since we use links for xref, i'm not sure what the semantic value of linking is going to be in that case. also mandatory javascript
mircea_popescu: put one pixel line per day, from top to bottom, counting the occurences of $filter.
phf: i like some features that he has, live updates, also the convention of <date>#<id>;<filter>
mircea_popescu: possibly the most logged channel on freenode, by now.
phf: heh, we now also have a heathen logger.
phf: asciilifeform: ty, and another question, where was the code for that com1 to display thing that you had?
BingoBoingo: Still that's every address that starts with 3, so likely some no segwit turds in there
whaack: doesn't mean much, that was just the recent block. also not necessarily segwit
a111: Logged on 2017-11-24 01:27 whaack: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NDfgM/?raw=true 4,512.058 btc sent to 1045 non-trb-recognizable outputs as determined by ben_vulpe's block slicer in block 495813. The paste shows (txn-hash output num-satoshis) for every bunk output.
whaack: I will work on creating an index of all of these non standard outputs of the form (txn-hash:output-index --> satoshis) sum up all the satoshis sent into the abyss from all past blocks, and then subtract spent coins in future blocks to get a value of how many coins are in the abyss at block n
whaack: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/NDfgM/?raw=true 4,512.058 btc sent to 1045 non-trb-recognizable outputs as determined by ben_vulpe's block slicer in block 495813. The paste shows (txn-hash output num-satoshis) for every bunk output.
mircea_popescu: 100% is made in china and the chinese don't respect any specs other than some stuff written on an old napkin in the head office.
phf: asciilifeform: how where do you source your cat5e? i've been using a leftover roll from my contracting days, but it finally ran out. went on amazon, not only are prices somewhat suspect (300m for $40?), but comments say that they cable doesn't actually conform to spec (wrong insulation, wrong conductor, etc.)
mircea_popescu: well the old one was prolly confusing
phf: hardcoregaming101 "modernized" their website, original http://hg101.kontek.net/, new http://www.hardcoregaming101.net. it took me a while to realize that "new" site is not in fact a lost domain. in the process old site is still there, but half the links are broken. welcome to "modern"!
phf: i mean, a _misplaced_ parenthesis will result in a valid parse, but the error is going to be something along the lines of "error while parsing arguments to special form" or "argument x is not a number" or "function call with n arguments, but wants exactly m"
phf: misplaced parenthesis is tricky to debug from the error messages, in fact i usually can't. i can usually intuit that the error is probably a result of misplaced parent, but then i still have to go an track it down
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 21:17 phf: i've seen properly indented code before, that never the less lost or misplaced parenthesis here or there. naggum actually had a rant somewhere how most experienced lispers actually discover nesting issues by doing reindent. but if you're a newb, you're going to lose a parent, but keep the code shape the same
mircea_popescu: shinohai basically just go through all the pages of https://www.deviantart.com/cartoons/whats-hot/ i guess
mircea_popescu: and show the proper values, such as demeaning women, bare cunts, etcetera.
shinohai: oh ill bug the oc artist above intensively
mircea_popescu: (deviantart here used as metasyntactic notation for "whatever shitty forum these mortidifame gather upon")
mircea_popescu: but anyway -- does anyone want to go through all of deviantart until they find either something like that or something that doesn't suck ? for the purpose of helping the first tmsr appointed artist get his appointment ?
mircea_popescu: the idiot author of the linked piece is too fucking dumb to answer emails to his god damned own contact email as provided by patreon, notwithstanding he evidently is fucking starving. ho the fuck even told these schmucks they're at liberty to you know, "make own decisions" such as not pick up phone from god ?
mircea_popescu: so here's a something : on one hand i very much like https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyX33qsWIAAdMW3.jpg ; on the other hand i am kinda considering hiring a court artist for my own personal self-aggrandization.
shinohai: i guess i could write about the #trilema-church project
BingoBoingo: How much do boxes there run, and you've been blogging?
shinohai: i want to at least host my blog there
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> nah there is this crazy family that has a micronation in the middle of the ocean. << That's awfully close to airstrip one
phf: i've seen properly indented code before, that never the less lost or misplaced parenthesis here or there. naggum actually had a rant somewhere how most experienced lispers actually discover nesting issues by doing reindent. but if you're a newb, you're going to lose a parent, but keep the code shape the same
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 18:40 ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor
phf: ok, i have some idea why http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742652 because i've done it in the past. when you're debugging issues for complete newbs, you basically instinctually looking for two things, imbalanced parenthesis and misuse of intrinsics. yeah you could copy paste that stuff to your emacs buffer, but if what you're doing is essentially social service work, you get burned out on doing deep help pretty fast, hence you want to keep it in the p
diana_coman: oh, the Floating Bear sort of thing, lol; close to "atop a server"
shinohai: they have a rack of servers and i can buy one lol
shinohai: i just introduced them to trb
diana_coman had this flash image of shinohai paddling in the North Sea atop a server
shinohai: I'm thinking about buying a server in the North Sea
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742497 <- oh, hey, thank you; ftr I took it, changed the type'Image things and then it compiled perfectly fine (with gnatmake 4.9.3, gcc 4.9.4)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> speaking of which : one girl has been in the kitchen since daybreak (bout 8 hours ago) cooking non stop. << How's your stuffing coming along?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> hey BingoBoingo wtf is a 'testosterona' ? boiled goat balls, straight from 1950s quackeries ? << direct translation of testosterone. Probably what's being marketed is a depot formulation of testosterone attached to a long chain esther
mircea_popescu: 1/64th of the recommended dosage is just about enough to be exaggerate for normal human!
mircea_popescu: she's tallied up all the sugar we saved, comes to almost a quarter ton!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : one girl has been in the kitchen since daybreak (bout 8 hours ago) cooking non stop.
asciilifeform: and then proceed to something resembling concept of carnot efficiency, but for cipher.
asciilifeform: could restate as the q of whether 'distance from ideal otp' is a quantifiable matter .
asciilifeform: imho it is an approachable thing. but i haven't yet the pill.
asciilifeform: in other not-yet-noose, asciilifeform considered the q of : can show a lower bound for how quickly (i.e. bits leaked per bit of ciphertext sent ) any n-bit-keyed symmetriccipher leaks its key , from purely informationtheoretical grounds ? or not.
mircea_popescu: in that if you don't have one, you have the wreckers'.
asciilifeform: decohered -- aimless ooze, the peaks cancel, no movement.
asciilifeform: to have ideology is sorta like the coherence of laser light.
mircea_popescu: "room has no owner, therefore evidently no possible utility." and so on.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 22:59 asciilifeform: this is the fate of all 'we don't have an ideology' derps
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 18:46 mircea_popescu: tbh an ~hour later my patience with teh #lisp is waning fast. yes it's not cohesive a la catv-org or whatever other dorkitudes we examined prior, which means there's no specific failure mode. but this doesn't mean much, it vaguely flails like an ooze and well...
asciilifeform: whaack: if you really want to run the example proggy, will have to get hold of 4.9 somehow
asciilifeform: ( i.e. someone saw it fit to change its semantics, between versions, as if such a change is ever anything other than wrecking )
ben_vulpes: not even thinking, these people. stackframes fabricated whole from reference to "computationally secure", reader has room for 2 words, and so "pseudo" is never evaluated
ben_vulpes: gotta love how they staple "cryptographically secure" onto "pseudo random" so unthinking derps forget about the "pseudo" part
asciilifeform: as if the 'p' evaporates, unhappens, if not mentioned
asciilifeform: and paste also the full barf.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 18:37 whaack: asciilifeform: that fixed the problem, now hash_streams.adb:25:22: "Binary_Message_Digest" not declared in "SHA256"
mircea_popescu: tbh an ~hour later my patience with teh #lisp is waning fast. yes it's not cohesive a la catv-org or whatever other dorkitudes we examined prior, which means there's no specific failure mode. but this doesn't mean much, it vaguely flails like an ooze and well...
ben_vulpes: shouldn't be that bad, no. i still don't understand the why of it. after five minutes of working with lisp the parens should disappear into background bookeeping on any usable brainsubstrate
mircea_popescu: just the parens highlight thing doesn't seem that gnarly. am i naive ?
ben_vulpes: i don't want to try reimplementing emacs shittily for the browser, server-side.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i don't get ~anything about how the brains of these people work, so far. asking questions didn't get me much further, moved on to proposing prototypes, which... is going nowhere.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i don't get why people who want code highlit don't open the code in a proper editor
whaack: asciilifeform: that fixed the problem, now hash_streams.adb:25:22: "Binary_Message_Digest" not declared in "SHA256"
ben_vulpes: top, right of the searchbar
ben_vulpes: keeps jumpin me damn browser to the pagebottom
mircea_popescu: and no further than ONE DAY BACK in this log which seemed very respectable snr-wise on the basis of my hsaving read today, there's a PILE of "how to lisp on windows" and "how to utf-8 unicode etc".
asciilifeform: whaack: i wrote the thing back when i was mostly using adacore's gnat
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 20:38 asciilifeform: diana_coman: the example was written on a box with adacore's gnat; the stock gnu one is stricter, doesn't permit Foo'Image -- instead you gotta FooTypeName'Image(Foo)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 17:55 whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb
mircea_popescu: i recall you saying this way back then
phf: by the way, their bot's code is public. i poached their highlighter for example for btcbase file rendering
mircea_popescu: the obvious downside being... takes a while.
mircea_popescu: phf im giving them time to figure out republicaqn supremacy on own power.
phf: that's actually a cute idea, have a bot do the `read' on whatever's pasted, but obviously only works here, not on #lisp (since all kinds of attack vectors)
whaack: asciilifeform: gnat1: error: unrecognized command line option ‘-fdump-scos’ when I try gprbuild. gnat version 4.6 gcc version 4.8.4. I removed the command line option from the gpr file since it seemed to be just used for coverage tools. Then got error prefix of "Image" attribute must be a type in 3 places in blocks.adb
mircea_popescu: other than some cannonical dood.
mircea_popescu: i like the part where he explains why 2^32 scan being 1.6 seconds is not good news for scanning 2^32
phf: no, he's not part of the kommunity which is also probably why he doesn't suck
mircea_popescu: prince of persia for z80 basically. epic for the 80s
phf: you never know with these things, but on face value it definitely is
asciilifeform: tivation of the concern.'
asciilifeform: 'DAYDREAMER activates a top-level LOVERS goal because it is not involved in a LOVERS relationship, and one or more of its need states subsumed by the relationship are unsatisfied. A new concern is created and a positive motivating emotion of interest is created and associated with the new concern. The intrinsic importance of the goal is 0.9. This becomes the magnitude of the motivating emotion, as well as the current value for the mo
mircea_popescu: uncharacteristically, the snr isn't even terrifying!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:45 ben_vulpes: whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz
mircea_popescu: omfg their logs are terrible.
phf: ben_vulpes: sharplispers i believe is the #lisp crowd who maintain "abandoned" packages (mostly for the purposes of xach having somewhere to git clone things from for his quicklisp). i know xach, luis oliveira, and nikodemus siivola, the last one being a proper hacker
mircea_popescu: then what's wrong with tmsrizing.
mircea_popescu: the libre bs was in case of orange revolution.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes buit it ended up not being needed, the "community" "consensused" that "openssl is okay" np.
asciilifeform: iirc 'libressl' was an attempted whitewashing of openssl turd by the usual suspects.
phf: yeah, was fixed in master, but not in quicklisp production, my point is mostly "what other wonders are there". like you said needs libressling
ben_vulpes: phf: do you know anything about the 'sharplispers'?
phf: maybe, but only as "presented as found". froydnj said in a few places, that he doesn't think ironclad is there yet as far as being used for production crypto. and we had a thread (with ben_vulpes) where we discovered that sha512 (!!!) had a bug
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell whaack when testing 'horse', verify that the bin turd produced as file 'out' is identical to the input block. this means that the parser worx.
asciilifeform: phf: iirc the sha256 in 'ironclad' is simply a c wrapper around turdssl
phf: *there
phf: asciilifeform: i recall their being tight hashing code, but every time i do the same thing and discover that it was sb-md5 (and there's a corresponding cmucl prior art), so no proper shasum
ben_vulpes: whaack: i hastily stripped the cl i use behind mimisbrunnr for block parsing and transaction extracting into this tar for you: cascadianhacker.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/blockparser.tgz
mircea_popescu: let's put in for teh logs : woe on the poor man, his oxen won't pull properly, his sandwich falls into shit and even when he fucks he runs into a rusty nail.
phf: "there's some gopher purists out there but don't pay them much heed. There's no one in charge. There's nothing keeping you from your next big idea. There's nothing to stop you from trying. And besides, most of us think it's pretty cool."
mircea_popescu: phf the difference in tone from the exact same item pushing bitcoin forks is that the gopher forks people have no one to fear in gopher.
phf: asciilifeform: "Having to unfollow folks because I'm sick of cynical passive agressive subtoots." ""It will not hurt people who use gopher the way it has been used for ~30 years. It won't break things. Those folks can ignore what we're doing. This doesn't have to be antagonistic. If you don't wanna take part, that's cool! I'm not here to force you. Keep doing what you're doing, or do what we're doing. Either is wonderful" etc.
mircea_popescu: most parasitosis works that way, actually. there is such a thing as a rich guy's tuberculosis immunity. or, for that matter, aids.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 16:20 phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
a111: Logged on 2017-10-02 19:09 mircea_popescu: sadly the story behind that is that denni parkinson was there with HER BOYFRIEND, who's some photog there to shoot some bs about branson's hobby (some kind of new and improved surfing)
asciilifeform: whaack: if you have the time, why not write a sha256 from scratch in cl. it's a needed, unfortunately, piece. and afaik there isn't a proper one published.
whaack: asciilifeform: okay I plan to use ironclad to do the actual hashing in the cl implementation unless there is a better recommendation
mircea_popescu: "mp is possibly not a millionaire seeing how he has girls combing the streets of poor countries looking for salvageable parts in the debris, as opposed to shooting photographs with the photographer's girlfriend like TRUE millionaires do"
asciilifeform: diana_coman and other ada n00bz may find the item interesting, it is a complete proggy ( in the bare bone sense )
asciilifeform: but it is in fact a complete block-eater, with the exception that it does nothing useful with scripts.
phf: i keep expecting another trilema executing a coordinated strategy, but once you spend a few days living amongst them, you realize that there's nothing there, so yes.
asciilifeform: ( the ada per se is 27kB )
asciilifeform: you will need gnat, no other dependencies.
mircea_popescu: not much there to get pissed of AT.
phf: naturally every other account is pronouns sensitive, lgbt, suicidal, "anti nazi", genderqueer, etc. thanksgiving is an opportunity to talk about how their toxic parents don't understand them, etc.
mircea_popescu: "in order to get rich (as usg defines that term) in crypto you gotta trade... the crypto... for the fetish of crypto!!11". see ? the lesson's well learned.
mircea_popescu: is no longer unrelated at all. IT IS JUST A RESTATEMENT OF THE SAME THING!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:49 asciilifeform: 'If you want to make real money in crypto, you don't get attached to one coin and you don't hodl, you also don't put all your money in bitcoin either, instead you do coin hopping' << didjaknow!!
mircea_popescu: and suddenly the seemingly unrelated byt alf linked, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742454
phf: re upstack, there's been a resurgence of sorts of gopher protocol, various hipsters spinning up personal websites, etc. whether the resurgence was shortlived or i'm just late to the game, but there's already a community of wreckers (one of them groups is coming from this federated twitter platform, mastodon) discussing all the various ways that they want to "improve" gopher, tls, utf-8, markdown renderer, "minimal subset of html", etc. but at the same
mircea_popescu: "Of course the idea is to get rich-- which sounds like capitalism, if you're retarded, but observe the message that is being taught: that the necessary correlate to getting rich is to give all the capital to someone else. The power is traded for the fetish of power. That's not capitalism, it is madness, and apparently Davos and Randi think women especially will heart it."