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coderwill: it says that the majority of brown's sentence is from threatening an fbi agent in a youtube video
assbot: Barrett Brown Defiant After Sentencing Over Stratfor Hacking ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKI6nS )
hanbot: ah, the time piece covers it better, yeah.
assbot: Why I'm Going to Destroy FBI Agent Robert Smith Part Three: Revenge of the Lithe - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EKIlzi )
asciilifeform: does not follow that, had he not done this deed, would be a free man.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24587 @ 0.00052508 = 12.9101 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: there is a ru idiom, 'Дело шито белыми нитками' - 'the [criminal] case is sewn with white thread.'
asciilifeform: it comes from the old-fashioned binding that was used in ussr for court documents - ordinary thread and cardboard cover
asciilifeform: when seals were stamped onto the pages in the binder, the thread - originally white - would turn blue, black, red, depending on the colour of the seal on that page
asciilifeform: but if the pages were moved around at a later date, from the state monkeying with the record, the thread would have to be cut and replaced
asciilifeform: and would end up white in places where one would expect to see a colour.
asciilifeform: hence idiom is used to describe criminal cases such as, well, this one.
hanbot: ha, i like it
assbot: One in seven Australians living in poverty, according to new report ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9LYUa )
mats: interesting definition of poverty
hanbot: anyway, ludicrous as the entire thing is, the usnews version irked me with subrug sweeping. there are ways to handle agents, and there are ways to set them on the vendetta path.
hanbot: and btw mats re that tinder thing: i remember several years ago reading about some similar jazz (a special watch iirc) in japan for people too timid to meet others on their own
hanbot: tinder seems about there.
asciilifeform: hanbot: 'lovegetty'
asciilifeform: it was, iirc, more of a pocket watch
hanbot: o hey, exactly
asciilifeform: many, i imagine, disappointed buyers.
asciilifeform: machine - cannot increase operator's smv.
hanbot: i mean...i guess if you're very shy, uninterested in changing that, and also interested in fucking other shy people adverse to change, it'd be great, but...really?
assbot: Bug #662887 “internal compiler error during U-Boot compilation” : Bugs : gcc-4.5-armel-cross package : Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9Oc5L )
asciilifeform: 'status: New → Won't Fix'
asciilifeform: shitgnomery.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13792 @ 0.00050713 = 6.9943 BTC [-]
mats: hanbot: you are an american expat yes? and you understand the peculiarities of american dating culture?
mats: dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together
mats: anyway such apps are where the college chicks go, so i follow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00050386 = 1.9147 BTC [-]
trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits
trinque: btw I am also undata, likely will use this handle from now on
trinque: punkman: did you just keep a local count of deedbot's balance?
punkman: I used electrum
trinque: ah so you had a wallet handy
punkman: iirc conformal had a lib for accessing the db, no?
assbot: btcsuite/btcdb · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqRXhQ )
mircea_popescu: !gettrust undata
assbot: undata is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust trinque
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user trinque: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/mircea_popescu/trinque | http://w.b-a.link/user/trinque
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
trinque: #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: missing: the ants.
danielpbarron: http://www.opposingviews.com/i/religion/christian-mom-gives-leggings-god "When I walk into a place and there are women wearing yoga pants everywhere, it's hard to not look. I don't, but it's not easy," Partridge's husband allegedly said.
assbot: Christian Mom Gives Up Leggings For God ... ( http://bit.ly/1BqT2pY )
trinque: mircea_popescu: when the hash of the bundle is not a valid key would you prefer to wait for more deeds, or some other behavior?
trinque: punkman suggests re-hasing
punkman: as per asciilifeform's suggestion ^
mircea_popescu: yes rehash
Adlai: trinque, mircea_popescu, have you had a look yet at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=411974.0 ? (at worst, this would just save some money)
assbot: Promechard: Proprietary Metablock Chains for Arbitrary Data ... ( http://bit.ly/1zeOEfP )
trinque: punkman brings up another good point about the ambiguous ordering of two bundles which end up in the same block
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.0005022 = 16.9493 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: Adlai im no sure what this is supposed to be ?
Adlai: how to do deeds efficiently
mircea_popescu: it's not how to do deeds efficiently, it's how to include people you don't know. i am not interested.
Adlai: that's not what it is, maybe you should read the actual paper?
mircea_popescu: papers of unknown authors chance of being read is ~0%.
mircea_popescu: especially if said authors are alive.
mircea_popescu: let them get in the wot.
Adlai: here's a shorter explanation of the technique: https://mathgate.info/promechard.php
mircea_popescu: somehow we're not communicating. at issue is the proposition that ideas are worth anything, and somehow people can ride on the value of their ideas.
mircea_popescu: this is false. people can only ride on the value of their reputaiton, and "ideas" are not only worthless, but outright meaningless.
mircea_popescu: i simply don't care what some derps not in the wot think they have to say.
Adlai: who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.
mircea_popescu: i am not.
mircea_popescu: i am never talking about any idea.
mircea_popescu: unless it starts with "here's what X said", im ignoring it.
mircea_popescu: unsigned code doesn't exist. "ideas" never happened. etc.
mircea_popescu: i guess i should add "culture" to the list of things bitcoin is disrupting.
Adlai says, deedbot can spend half as much coin and create zero as much pollution; if there's interest, he can review and sign the code doing it
mircea_popescu: Adlai how much it spends is arbitrarily small anyway, and set to a certain sum more to encourage the diggers than anything tho ?
Adlai: the promechard technique can still have any fee you like, and it'd go directly to the miners, rather than into an unspendable output
mircea_popescu: the output is spendable.
Adlai: hash(clearsigned gpg message) is spendable?
mircea_popescu: it keeps hashing until it makes a valid pubkey yes
Adlai: to which it has the privkey?
mircea_popescu: that's the whole idea, anyone can spend the sum on the basis of the notarized documents.
Adlai: hm. why?
mircea_popescu: doubles as a faucet, basically.
Adlai: so it's spendable (by the earliest bird!), but it's still a tiny amount. this is like leaving a beggar individual pennies, more insulting than anything else
mircea_popescu: !up blah
mircea_popescu: i dun follow.
Adlai: lol alright, if that's the intent, it makes sense
fluffypony: this guy was basically mircea_popescu - http://i.imgur.com/7lILO4H.jpg
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i just spent today listening to "i did it my way" and thinking frankie was basically me.
mircea_popescu: oddly enough, mailer looks like sinatra!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.001089 = 1.089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55764 @ 0.00049925 = 27.8402 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00102 = 1.02 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: I will be going to Africa this summer to introduce bitcoin to airline services, hotel services and much much more! I will also be hosting a blog soon so I can update on the progress made! Hey who knows I might start an african bitcoin foundation while I am there : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/15zN22s )
fluffypony: fucking retard.
Adlai: maybe he'll reach some of the 419 scammers, that would give free marketing, like cryptolocker et al
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00050386 = 1.1085 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2100 @ 0.00109009 = 2.2892 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3750 @ 0.00114917 = 4.3094 BTC [+] {13}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4155 @ 0.00049875 = 2.0723 BTC [-]
punkman: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 302.62, Best ask: 304.41, Bid-ask spread: 1.79000, Last trade: 302.62, 24 hour volume: 48938.56740845, 24 hour low: 241.33, 24 hour high: 309.9, 24 hour vwap: 266.093376488
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.10598299 = 1.6957 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: gloomdoom comments on Poverty Inc. argues that Wall Street and the banking industry’s portrayal of "business as usual" is undermining our democracy, shattering the lives of working class families and the poor, while endangering the very environmental balance of the planet. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JMMwfa )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41100 @ 0.00049179 = 20.2126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 03:06:29; thestringpuller: gabriel_laddel: A copy of SimCity 2000 built in.
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 04:02:39; mircea_popescu: someone should make a gavin retardobot
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 05:53:10; *: trinque scratches his head at the btcd+btcctl combo apparently not being able to look up an address's balance without the wallet bits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1344 @ 0.00107998 = 1.4515 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18534 @ 0.00049772 = 9.2247 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00101048 = 1.0105 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00048965 = 8.0058 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50300 @ 0.00049677 = 24.9875 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIl3uS )
assbot: How Luke Evans came in Romania and the Romanian press wasn't invited | Edge and Back ... ( http://bit.ly/1CIlky3 )
Adlai: if it wasn't clear, by http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-01-2015#992700 means "act as though the first wot member who suggests an idea invented it"
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 07:42:06; Adlai: who said anything about people riding? i'm not talking about people, i'm talking solely about the idea. if you want some reputation to associate with the idea, shoot the messenger.
mircea_popescu: prolly the way it'll work.
Adlai: i wasn't bringing this up as "look at coinbase, they're doing something!", but as "maybe i can help your thing do its stuff better" (setting aside the bit about deedbot doubling as a faucet, which works fine in the current method)
mircea_popescu: yeh, i got that.
Adlai: either way, i really oughtta spend my time chasing floats instead of ec points
mircea_popescu: what's ec points ?
Adlai: elliptic curve points
Adlai: ie, working on scalpl rather than studying crypto curiosities
mircea_popescu: ah. well honestly, on the face of it, that sounded backwards.
Adlai: how so?
mircea_popescu: like... srsly, floats rather than elliptic curve points ?!
mircea_popescu: "i should spend my time finding grass rather than fish".
Adlai: yeah it doesn't make much sense because it's a stupid pursuit, i'm hunting out floating point arithmetic now that scalpl needs to quack a little less like a prototype
mircea_popescu: anyway. scalpl made a killing on the rise ? or got kinda murdered ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42563 @ 0.00050252 = 21.3888 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: it never makes killings or gets kinda murdered, it just creeps along. sometimes it bleeds a little from the ears when the volume gets too loud.
Adlai is listening to: Metallica - The Call Of Ktulu (8:54)
Adlai: re IV - art is neither dead nor dying, but tastes change, and the financial incentives about them... maybe if it becomes less profitable overall, there'll be less crap commercialized art such as pop music or koons balloons
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to do with "tastes"
mircea_popescu: art is purely prescriptive.
Adlai: the eradication of a disease doesn't signal the end of medicine, just a change of "tastes". same for art's prescriptions
Adlai: the nice thing about firing clients is that you get to work for yourself!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2627 @ 0.0010089 = 2.6504 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.00050221 = 19.3853 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: \ele
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mircea_popescu: theplot that keeps on thickening.
Adlai: so in the pre-bitcoin economy, entrepeneurs sought financiers. what do you call a well-capitalized wot presence that lends its credibility to a bitcoin venture?
mircea_popescu: i would guess a financier, what's wrong with that ?
Adlai: nothing, just wondering what you'd call them in this economy
Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.00050386 = 4.6859 BTC [+]
Adlai: rise, chicken! you may lay another egg yet.
Adlai: o/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00051082 = 10.7272 BTC [+] {4}
Adlai: (my idea has exactly nothing to do with elliptic curves)
mike_c: sekrit idea?
Adlai: !s inquiries from:adlai
assbot: 0 results for 'inquiries from:adlai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=inquiries+from%3Aadlai
assbot: Logged on 26-01-2015 13:58:31; *: Adlai seeks a wot financier. inquiries welcome in private or public, whichever is preferred.
punkman: Adlai: for scalpl?
mike_c: yes, i saw that. so what's the idea?
Adlai: a scalpl-managed fund, where investors could add or withdraw bitcoin in a manner similar to how X.EUR handles settlements
Adlai: there are a bunch of variables in this arrangement, such as - who has what control of which accounts
punkman: as in kraken accounts?
Adlai: any exchange where the fund would trade. scalpl currently supports btce, bitfinex, and kraken, but the api is modular and more can be added (not my focus atm, but ~3 days of work per exchange if necessary)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0005019 = 12.4471 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16150 @ 0.00050301 = 8.1236 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26735 @ 0.00051221 = 13.6939 BTC [+] {2}
davout: Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee?
thestringpuller: lol bond holder and profit sharer tightly coupled
Adlai: that's one constellation, but not the one i'd prefer
davout: what's the arrangement you'd prefer?
Adlai: i'd rather the accounts belong to the financier(s). they lend reputation - people trust them not to run off more than they'd trust me, and they lend their credibility to account statements. my role would be setting up scalpl, possibly maintenance, analysis, development - but on a case by case basis, as seen fit by the financier(s) and/or shareholders
Adlai: the most i'd ever have control of is api keys with trade permission, but not withdrawal permission; and it could easily be arranged that i never touch api keys myself, just deliver code or service an app taken offline, with api keys expunged from its server.
davout: ok, that i get
Adlai: also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary than equity in the furniture shop
Adlai: although this is flexible, and it could make sense to establish a minimum stake for alignment of interests
davout: unless i'm mistaken equity would be irrelevant if you structure that as a bond, amirite
davout: that too
Adlai: by structure as a bond, you mean - anybody deposits the amount they want, and has p/l tracked (and dividends paid) for that amount?
Adlai: i'm not certain how you'd handle that technically, because you want deposits to reach exchange accounts, in various proportions; do you have bond-buyers deposit directly into the exchange accounts, and the financier submits to the exchange signed statements of bond deposits to issue shares?
Adlai: i guess you don't even need shares if it's bonded in this manner, it can just be a bond directly between the exchange owner and depositors
Adlai: you don't even need the exchange!
davout: to me there's two distinct things
davout: the exchange where scalpl does its thing
davout: the exchange where the bond is traded
davout: say there is an account on paymium with 100 BTC in it which i deposited
Adlai: right. you need an exchange to scalp, but you don't *need* to trade the bonds
Adlai: ok
davout: i issue 100 bonds with a 1 BTC face value
danielpbarron: Adlai> also, for my own psychological reasons at this phase in my life, i'd rather get a carpenter's salary << probably not the best metaphor
davout: one week later, scalpl made 7% profit
davout: we now have 107 BTC in the exchange account
davout: the bonds should now trade for 1.07 BTC
Adlai: should, assuming that the market has access to that information; this would depend on how transparently the fund is operated. weekly statements? daily? per-trade?
davout: if you take a bond out of circulation you refund it as (amount in exchange acct)/100
davout: ideally upon request
Adlai: most fun is just publishing readonly api keys to the accounts in the listing
davout: not saying this is in any way the correct way to structure that thing, simply thinking out loud
davout: yup, readonly keys, win
davout: wire that to a b-a bot
davout: the problem i see is that each (financier, exchange) pair represents basically a different bond
davout: you'd take your fee in the form of free bonds
Adlai: is that a problem, or just an artefact of market segmentation?
davout: i see it as a problem in the sense that they're not really fungible
Adlai: D.XYZW are distinct, despite being cut from the same stuff
Adlai: so you can have distinct S.CALP.PAYM etc
davout: yes, not a problem if the bonds clearly state that
Adlai: danielpbarron: 'i choose my words carefully, and i never repeat myself' ?
Adlai: sure, each bond can be a separate contract between a financier and the exchange
jurov: why not just offer scalpl as service for some fee?
danielpbarron: Adlai, just some topical humor; don't mind me :p
Adlai: :)
Adlai: jurov: overhead
Adlai: in a sense, it's currently offered as a service for some fee - my time in dealing with your (not personally anybody in this channel) bullshit
jurov: overhead compared to what? structuring/trading bonds?
Adlai: overhead compared to having a collaborator handle financing (of both forms), leaving me to focus on scalpl itself
jurov: mkay
Adlai: in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies
Adlai: another reason to work with a financier is that it opens up the door for exchange presence in the wot
Adlai: let's say davout handles this for paymium, and it brings them increasing business. smart exchanges may follow suit.
Adlai: it's most idiomatic for the reputation at risk to be that of the exchange owner
Adlai pokes STRML
assbot: Former Head of GCHQ Warns Of 'Ethically Worse' Kinds Of Spying If Unbreakable Encryption Is Allowed | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/15L3ldL )
Adlai: um, forcing ethically worse spying is the point. cf HGW XX/7
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44944 @ 0.00050579 = 22.7322 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: Adlai, good film that one
Adlai: also, i'm not yet a Serenissima Accreddited™ Investor, and that kind of coin isn't exactly burning holes in my wallet; so if this is to happen before the next major fiat devaluation...
Adlai: Apocalyptic: see what i mean about ethical spying? cf http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2014#919932
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 16:38:23; asciilifeform: Adlai: darcs << as a military man, perhaps you are familiar with systems that could be automated easily, but aren't? e.g., ru nuke sub controls
Adlai: cf http://aeon.co/magazine/technology/are-we-ready-for-companies-that-run-themselves/ and are we ready for scamferences that fund themselves?
assbot: Are we ready for companies that run themselves? – David Morris – Aeon ... ( http://bit.ly/15L5S7P )
Apocalyptic: I don't know there is such a thing as "ethical spying", the whole formula must be a joke
BingoBoingo: Re: Toy node discussion - Selling point for such a thing may be "privacy proxy" for Lite wallets.
Adlai: which is exactly why spying shouldn't be automated. maybe there's a situation where a person feels justified listening in on a conversation without explicit permission, but that call shouldn't be made in advance by a bureaucrat for every single conversation unto eternity
Adlai: BingoBoingo: sure, put spv servers of your choice on physically separate machines with reasonable rpc access to the node
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00051106 = 10.2212 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: ^- listen to me talk nonsense about bitcoin
Adlai: no need to put more turds onto the existing pile... and if you do, how do you pick which one? electrum-server, obelisk, etc?
BingoBoingo: Adlai: Well, SPV as the powerrangers say it now tends to mean the Bloom filter derp. If enough space is budgeted for the nodes though "address history" type arrangement like electrum server could work if electrum server did not rival bitcoind itself as a hog.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19601 @ 0.0005054 = 9.9063 BTC [-]
Adlai: it shouldn't *need* anything beyond the current full node. if some fancier spv node wants bloom filters, put 0.9.bloom on its box and have it just listen to the safe node
Adlai: simple means simple damnit!
BingoBoingo: Yes, shouldn't indeed means shouldn't. https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum-server is the address history beast I was thinking of. Note that can become rapidly unfeasible on Gavincoin as does not take kindly to any pruning.
assbot: spesmilo/electrum-server · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/15L8eDz )
BingoBoingo: That thing builds its own indexed database of a size comparable to the block chain.
Adlai has started to think of pruning in a different manner - rather than reclaiming hard disk space, 'pruning' just means you can provably flush certain transactions from various caches. it's a time/space optimization, not a change of the glob's outward behavior
BingoBoingo: http://log.b-a.link/?date=26-01-2015#992788 << Wait, so Christina may have been set up by Obola?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1308 @ 0.00100476 = 1.3142 BTC [-] {9}
Adlai: another possible initial step for a cautious financier: pilot MPIF profit center
Adlai: another possible incentive: first financier consults gratis through march 1st
Adlai: now that's enough selling for one month
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1050 @ 0.00117581 = 1.2346 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 3496 @ 0.00117799 = 4.1183 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1373 @ 0.00117893 = 1.6187 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29219 @ 0.00050677 = 14.8073 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00049959 = 6.3948 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00051613 = 6.4 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: Adlai you want scalpl to become one of mpif profit centers?
Adlai: 'want' is a strong word. i'm suggesting it as a possibility, to an intrepid [General] Manager
BingoBoingo: !up bitspill
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11400 @ 0.00052046 = 5.9332 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00052258 = 10.6606 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39722 @ 0.00052503 = 20.8552 BTC [+] {3}
coderwill: hello all
jurov: hi coderwill
coderwill: how are you, jurov?
jurov: it's okay. today i was marrying hdd and ssd in btrfs raid
jurov: dunno why i do such crazy stuff. but works so far
coderwill: cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.007 = 2.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.0005014 = 1.7549 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: tis quiet
thestringpuller: too quiet
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jurov: their bloat is unusable on 2y old android
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol thanks.
jurov: so they had to
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin's thought-leader hangs out with people who pay underage girls for sex?" wut exactly is this ? i don't hang out with reddit...
davout: i already love this reddit thread
mircea_popescu: davout: Adlai: so ppl deposit funds with you, you put them on some exchange (or people push funds to your exchange account) and whatever p/l scalpl makes is distributed among them, minus your fee? << this sounds to me more like a classical fund
mircea_popescu: scalpl's irrelevant in this discussion, people don't care about it, people just care "i'm investing with adlai and he keeps the thing going"
mircea_popescu: much like panacea used to work, at least back when f.mpif had an investment.
assbot: Ok, so what is Bitcoin disrupting? : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJt1SM )
mircea_popescu: anyway, how much capital are you looking for ?
mircea_popescu: "I'm certain he has no actual experience with that topic, unless you count webcam sessions with the working ladies over at girls gone bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: dude, srsly ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1312 @ 0.00110745 = 1.453 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: somebody drop the classic http://trilema.com/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ on r/buttcoin, see how they talk it away ?
assbot: NSFW - Mosu' cu joarda pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1yJtdS9 )
mircea_popescu: !up sensorii
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's kinda fun to wake up at 7pm to a bowlful of internet impotent rage.
mircea_popescu pours some milk, adds some cornflakes, eats it up, spits it out...
mircea_popescu: ...aaaaand dooooesss it hiiiiiiissss waaaaayyyy
davout: poor winklevii, they got cock-blocked so hard by the coinbase guys
mircea_popescu: lol saw that ?
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk
davout: forever alone winklevii
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10734 @ 0.00049972 = 5.364 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol kinda, yeah.
mircea_popescu: they're suffering from fat rich kid syndrome.
davout: what's the fat rich kid syndrome?
trinque: their only real claim to fame being "we sued hoodie CEO"
trinque: the guy who almost had a heart attack talking to Walt Mossberg
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: has no experience in fucking, although he keeps a harem.
hanbot: mats> dunno that it has anything to do with shyness. more like... people have become more alone in spite of glowing rectangles supposedly networking us together << it has everything to do with shyness tho, so long as what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of walking up to someone and asking if they'd like to drink/dance/fuck/whatever
davout: hanbot: i agree, the rectangles have merely made shy people more visible where shyness doesn't actually matter
hanbot: as though being turned down to your face is something to be avoided at all absurdities
hanbot: davout mhm!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00049743 = 1.7907 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout rich kid is ahead of the other kids, because his parents are technically a magic wand. fat kid is behind the other kids, because fat is unappealing. this tension creates very insane sort of behaviours.
davout: hah
mircea_popescu: generally it ends up twisted in the position where the other kids drive the wedge of forcing him to do things his magic wand disapproves of.
mircea_popescu: course the more perceptive magic wands try to do the exact same.
mircea_popescu: but in any case, nature abhors a tension, and it will be resolved.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller obviously. because the god of reddit hath so ordained that everything that can exist is directly accessible with no effort to anyone, and so... three second's effort is good enuf to form any opinion!
mircea_popescu: trinque for a minute there i thought hoodie is an actual vc "company"
mircea_popescu: btw mossberg got axed iirc ? he still around ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I'm sure there's some shartup out there going by Hoodie
mircea_popescu: Hoodie enables you to express yourself through technology by making web app development very fast, easy and accessible. It's a complete backend for your ...
trinque: dunno what mossberg's doing now; the event I'm recalling is... All Things Digital maybe? Zuck nearly had a panic attack responding to softball questions.
mircea_popescu: and right you are.
trinque shakes his head
trinque: this industry... burn it to the ground
mircea_popescu: working on it.
trinque: dem curves!
davout: mircea_popescu trinque "hoodie is a committed team dedicated to hand-making gorgeous organic sweat shirts, delivered right to your door by our awesome fixie riders"
mircea_popescu: wait two of em ?!
assbot: hood.ie ... ( http://bit.ly/1LcmO7a )
davout: lol no i just made that up
mircea_popescu: i love how "awesome" has come to mean "i think we're not paying these dudes enough". originally teh various journalist herdsmen thought they were being oh so clever
mircea_popescu: but twenty years later sheer usage has worked the surfaces of the thing into the exact shape of its meaning.
mircea_popescu: wisdom of the crowds, this is exactly what it means.
mircea_popescu: !up CoraCrisT
CoraCrisT: thanks, M.
CoraCrisT: hey guys
mircea_popescu: sure. get in the wot already, you'll regret each wasted day in a few years.
mircea_popescu: davout: one week later, scalpl made 7% profit <<< best rng ever :D
thestringpuller: hanbot: this reminds me of my college where guise didn't know anything about this socializing thing.
thestringpuller: hanbot: "Lets be nice as possible to the girl and maybe she'll touch me even though I'm an awkward neck beard who needs more rejection"
pete_dushenski: howdy assets!
pete_dushenski: how's that air in ba today?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00049559 = 14.4217 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: it's really not bad here either, all things considered.
pete_dushenski: i'll take 0C in january
pete_dushenski: The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff has established a research and essay competition in honor of Saudi Arabia’s King Abdullah Bin Abdul-Aziz hosted by the National Defense University.
pete_dushenski: no word on how big the purse is
mircea_popescu: Adlai: in case it fell between the cracks - i'm always interested in 'alpha testers', especially if they see it as a service rather than a freebie that a sucker on irc will walk them through for his own warm fuzzies << heh the problem of "contests" and "giveaways" etc.
assbot: Even North Korea knows that public relations isn’t about being nice anymore. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lcvri6 )
mircea_popescu: mats: former-head-gchq-warns-ethically-worse-kinds-spying-if-unbreakable-encryption-is-allowed << asswipes in temper tantrum mode. "if we don't get chocolate we will piss in the bet"
mircea_popescu: somehow the obvious "bitch, if you piss in the bed you will be digging ditches naked 18 hours a day for the next five years." isn't quite obvious to gchq angry children.
pete_dushenski: and of course "ethical" is whatever benefits my narrow range of interests
pete_dushenski: because i'm the pre-copernican church
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45000 @ 0.00051104 = 22.9968 BTC [+] {2}
davout: !rated itkin
assbot: itkin is not registered in WoT.
davout: ;;rated itkin
gribble: You have not yet rated user itkin
TheNewDeal: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'TheNewDeal', with hostmask 'TheNewDeal!~TheNewDea@unaffiliated/thenewdeal', is identified as user 'TheNewDeal', with GPG key id DFBEC17DF96DFB77, key fingerprint 468950118F292A0AA73BCCC3DFBEC17DF96DFB77, and bitcoin address None
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 272295812.481
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 340603 | Current Difficulty: 4.397166205608958E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 340703 | Next Difficulty In: 100 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 18 hours, 53 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 41248798297.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.19231
mircea_popescu: dropping again huh
pete_dushenski: looking that way.
pete_dushenski: that exahash is taking forever
pete_dushenski: i want it nao!
pete_dushenski: Uber promises not to price-gouge during massive east-coast blizzard << because what are prices good for anyways ?
mircea_popescu: "uber promises to make the market not work"
mircea_popescu: tell you what : if there's fifty people willingm to pay 1 dollar and five people willing to pay 10 dollars, and 5 cabs,
mircea_popescu: the cabs should fucking cost 10 dollar.
pete_dushenski: and if there's one cab, $100
pete_dushenski: this is how you get "everyone should have meat with every meal" turning agriculture into a 'meat' production industry
pete_dushenski: !up phillipsjk
pete_dushenski: heya phillipsjk, who are you?
phillipsjk: Have people been experiencing DDOS attacks? I have the sketchiest data, but suspect 1.2Gbps on saturday and larger today
pete_dushenski: there were a few "ddosbot" attacks over the weekend, ya
phillipsjk: Hi, I am James Phillips, dishwasher from Canada.
phillipsjk: I am not even running a bitcoin node. (only Friecoin) on this connection.
phillipsjk: I wonder if just joining this channel gets me on the hit-list.
pete_dushenski: if it did, you'd know already
pete_dushenski: i was hit within 30 seconds of logging on sans cloak
pete_dushenski: downed my internet for 30 minutes or so
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk told you the same in pm lol, did you get that ?
phillipsjk: he uped me
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: so what intel do you have about these attacks?
phillipsjk: I am considering hooking up a packet sniffer nextime it happens.
thestringpuller: downed my internet for 30 minutes or so << yea that happened to me during netsplit was pretty bad
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: you're on shawcable, so whereabouts in alberta are you?
phillipsjk: Router complained about "smurf attacks" (from china) but worry those may be false positives since the IPs were from /16 netblock and eneded in .255: 182.134.248.255 125.89.36.255 221.89.36.255
phillipsjk: Edmonton
pete_dushenski: cool. so am i actually.
pete_dushenski: how'd you find this place?
mircea_popescu: so wait, you're not being ddosed now ?
phillipsjk: Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums.
mircea_popescu: what, the kid just spikes a few kps for five minutes and then that's it, givwesu p ?
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk that part is true.
phillipsjk: mircea_popescu, it was about 30 minutes each time. at least 3 times.
mircea_popescu: but not anymore now /
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: not like ddosbot kid has infinity resources. has to end eventually
mircea_popescu: anyway phillipsjk best practice would be to get a cloak.
thestringpuller: or connect from tor
phillipsjk: So you think it is jsut from joining this channel then?
pete_dushenski: i experienced the same 30 min ddos thing while fiddling with new irc clients
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: almost certainly
thestringpuller: whenever my ip gets exposed i get hammered
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk definitely.
assbot: 455 results for 'ddos' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ddos
pete_dushenski: it's an unintentional barrier to entry, if anything
mircea_popescu: ^ look through there, it's discussed plenty
davout: phillipsjk: yes, people get ddosed from joining uncloaked
pete_dushenski: California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn’t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people!
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the last ddos knocked out my phones too
thestringpuller: my house phone couldn't dial out lol
pete_dushenski: The State Lands Commission may use powers never employed in its 77-year history, seizing private land for public use to end a battle between surfers and billionaire venture-capital investor Vinod Khosla, who has been locking a gate at his beach property along California’s Pacific Coast.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: crazy
thestringpuller: script kiddie may not have infinite resources
thestringpuller: but can definitely fuck up my couch when he knows my address
danielpbarron: phillipsjk> Was told that the Future of Bitcoin is decided here, not in the Bitcointalk forums. << oh that's where i've seen your name! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=919629.msg10247429#msg10247429
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phillipsjk: By 'we' I meant the reddit and Bitcointalk 'tards of course.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: ah, good eye
phillipsjk: I may have confused MP with somebody else in that post. (MP is apparently not a coder)
pete_dushenski: phillipsjk: lol now you have me curious where you wash dishes. i can always go for a good meal on clean dinnerware
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pete_dushenski: mp is definitely more beeznizmayn than codermonkey
phillipsjk: It is in my resume: Coliseum Pizza & Steak LTD.
pete_dushenski: a, famous spot, that
pete_dushenski: can't say i've been
phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though.
pete_dushenski: that's pretty normal, really
danielpbarron: too expensive to run a full node? aren't you one of the ones trying to make the blocks bigger?
phillipsjk: If I us web-hosting I get 5TB/month for $80 or so
phillipsjk: I was paying $109.10 for commercial access. (300GB cap)
TheNewDeal: I am just imaginging advertisements on the TV, similar to those during political season in usia, with some phony from the Bitcoin Foundation and a sign "10gb blocks in 2016"
pete_dushenski: "yes we can"
pete_dushenski: anyways gang, i'm off. don't wear out those keyboards while i'm gone!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45500 @ 0.00052732 = 23.9931 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2tp9w0/help_lost_wallet_data_5btc_reward/co13yq5?context=8 << guy gets 5 BTC for basically saying "did you try restarting it?" also, guy cries over getting 5 BTC
assbot: Introshine comments on HELP ! Lost wallet data, 5BTC reward ... ( http://bit.ly/1z3tnmi )
thestringpuller: "Don't you know? Human beings become omniscient, infallible gods the moment they begin accepting a paycheck from the state."
thestringpuller: ^- that guy gets it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20875 @ 0.0005194 = 10.8425 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> California threatens to seize land from billionaire if he doesn’t start letting surfers use his beach << for the people! << soooooo ... why would someone own anything in california ?
mircea_popescu: "There are those whose only concern is worshiping at the altar of money and turning a profit, whereas others see Bitcoin as a tool for social and political revolution."
mircea_popescu: libertard has cut up the pie!
mircea_popescu: "social and political revolution" = more of the same shit ; "worshipping at the altar of money" = actual social and political revolution. in the proper sense, as in, the opposite of evolution.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron funny hpw that doomad dude neglects to consider the point that "we can all use it" AS IT IS. unless we ALL agree to use it a different way, it is NOT HAPPENING.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "sociopolitical ideals" he miught wish to force on others.
mircea_popescu: the stuff one finds in the logs i swear.
mircea_popescu: "Your statement that the new fork won't succeed is nothing but speculation, your guess is only worth as much as anyone else's. No one can claim with any certainty that they know what's going to happen." << late to that party.
mircea_popescu: my "buy gavincoin at 25% off still got exactly 0 offers"
lobbes: phillipsjk: Need a day-job to keep hosting a Bitcoin node though << try out lowendbox.com. I'm planning on following the advice given here and start a node running some version of debian
lobbes: phillipsjk: should only be a few bucks a month
PeterL: mircea_popescu: what happens with your 25% offer if they never stick megablocks into bitcoin-core code?
danielpbarron: the people with all the bitcoin are the bad ones because money is evil, and the people with no bitcoin are going to tell them what the rules should be
mircea_popescu: PeterL it'll have to be discussed, obv. whoever wants to trade gets to work with me on a ocntract that covers all legitimate concerns.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron "because you are in the minority" derp.
mircea_popescu: but yes, that is pretty much exactly what your average libertard thinks politics is : "people with no money telling the people with money how they may proceed"
mircea_popescu: exactly fucking opposite of sanity.
danielpbarron: and somehow one of them manages to keep 500 BTC this whole time; someone who thought his funds were gone because his blockchain needed rensynching
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's funny just how self-contradictory the guy is, and how carefully crafted his pile, and how incredibly unstable in spite of all that effort. reading his lengthy posts is sort-of like admiring someone who managed to build a half mile tall chair pile in his quest to get to the moon on chairs.
mircea_popescu: if you as much as sneeze it all comes crumbling down, and yet he's stupidly put all that effort into it... like a blind seal or something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30650 @ 0.00051835 = 15.8874 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: but who knows, right ? it's "not decided yet". he's not come here to have his construction taken apart ; the fork's not actually been destroyed in the field, and "we don't know for sure it's a scam" etc.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : some guy named zyklon_b joins some chatroom, buncha derps throw a fit, i tell em to stfu, which results in private messaging and ragequits :
mircea_popescu: <gurlwest> its possible but there is such a thing as responsibility, and i feel its mine to point out that Zyklon B is highly offensive and brings this place into disrepute
mircea_popescu: <MirceaPopescu> and i feel it's mine to point out to you that you're the [unthinking] representative of everything that's wrong with the world generally, and United Stupid particularly.
mircea_popescu: * gurlwest has quit (Connection reset by peer)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11210 @ 0.0005168 = 5.7933 BTC [-]
assbot: White House going nuclear on Netanyahu | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1yWATAS )
nubbins`: lel x5, one of woodcollector's alts "doxxed" me
nubbins`: sends me this serious PM with some google streetview of my neighbourhood and my name+address
nubbins`: couple pix from my fb
mircea_popescu: o hey, are you going off nubbins` to your pw:rn nao ?
asciilifeform: lol, 'doxing'
mircea_popescu: ;;google pw:rn
nubbins`: rn=real name?
assbot: Powerword - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1wylJMi )
asciilifeform: !s true names
assbot: 17 results for 'true names' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=true+names
mircea_popescu: dude ed went to shit.
nubbins`: o i get it
nubbins`: well anyway.
nubbins`: my home address was already public on the forum
nubbins`: and he got the phone number wrong ;/
mircea_popescu: so he could work for yellowpages
nubbins`: and he says "maybe i'll see you at <event i'm attending on facebook> tomorrow at 8pm... i'm only 80km away"
mircea_popescu: wear a gopro.
davout: nubbins`: you better call the bitcoin police
mircea_popescu: davout if memory serves nubbins` is this tall bear-y sorta guy
asciilifeform: nubbins`: prepare for laser duel.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ahahaha that took a minute
davout: asciilifeform: i just got it
mircea_popescu: hey nubbins` did you handcarve the turkey last thskgiving ?
mircea_popescu: OR DID YOU USE A LASER
nubbins`: hilariously, you are literally either in the ocean or a vast, uninhabited wilderness reserve if you are 80km from me
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i silkscreened cranberry sauce onto thin slices of it
mircea_popescu: the advantage of silk sheets is you can silkscreen tits and stuff with your bare hands.
mircea_popescu: !up badon
nubbins`: with the proper mesh count anything is possible
badon: hi mircea_popescu
nubbins`: oddly, i haven't received any more PMs since casually mentioning WC's actual job in a post
nubbins`: probably a coincidence
thestringpuller: expression engine is a fucking joke
thestringpuller: i can't do this anymore
thestringpuller: i'm about to blow my brains out man
thestringpuller: i'll never joke about wordpress again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: i have a working 'u-boot' for toy node (builds as CROSSDEV armv5 on x86 gentoo), working linux kernel built in same manner, boots from nand flash.
nubbins`: 5/5 would help design packaging for
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: how it is to work: machine boots from nand flash, walks attached mass storage device list, tests if any contains ext3 filesystem with blockchain therein. if found, used. if not found, device is formatted and bitcoind runs there. runs inside a loop, if oomkilled - resurrected.
trinque: asciilifeform: nice!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds.
mircea_popescu: hey badon
badon: hey
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform splendid.
mircea_popescu: mod6 ye hear that ? :D
mircea_popescu: !up mod6
asciilifeform: also discovered that pogo-4 has a 32kB eeprom full of zeros, unused.
mircea_popescu: what a nice little gewm this thing turns out to be
mod6: ah.
asciilifeform: purchased a second pogo-4 for testing autodeflorator
mod6: was i unvoiced?
asciilifeform: (script for converting a brand-new unit into a weaponized one)
mod6: thats awesome.
asciilifeform: repopulated missing solder pads for rs232 console. very handy for kernel work. i suggest that any of you who purchased a unit, do the same.
mod6: i'll have to pick one up when I get a chance...
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeh just as soon as bitcoind-unbraindamaged is ready... in it goes!
mod6: :D
asciilifeform: also needed is a small list of ntp servers that can be trusted to work reasonably often
asciilifeform: preferably including one or two controlled by wot folks
asciilifeform: (if not all)
mod6: that shouldn't be a huge problem. bbiab -- we can talk about that part a bit more.
asciilifeform: it turns out that ntp can happen straight from u-boot (bootloader)
asciilifeform: and then ntp client can be omitted from the rootfs itself.
asciilifeform: (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?)
trinque: I've found ntpd to be a pain on such devices; I just cron a call to rdate instead
asciilifeform: 'u-boot' has equivalent built in.
trinque: ntpd can apparently be told to always update, never give up when skew is huge, but *shrug* never worked for me
asciilifeform: !up phillipsjk
phillipsjk: running NTP more than once lets you compute clock drift.
asciilifeform: box boots in ~10 sec.
asciilifeform: so i'm not averse to simply having it reboot weekly or so
asciilifeform: (automatic)
asciilifeform: bitcoind will get oomkilled often enough as it is.
asciilifeform: (until somebody plugs the leaks)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (why ever run it more than once? leap seconds?) << One of those coming up soon
phillipsjk: I suggest pool.ntp.org for NTP servers that work reasonably often.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: we'd like some that are not under nato control.
assbot: OpenNTPD ... ( http://bit.ly/1wynM2V )
phillipsjk: Bitcoin tolerates time-stamps off by an hour anyway since a certain popular OS did not support hardware UTC until recently.
trinque: asciilifeform: ah I glossed over "why more than once"
trinque: in my experience the rpi skews clock as some function of cpu load
trinque: shit you not
asciilifeform: rpi is a steaming pile of shit.
trinque: that it is.
asciilifeform: in two dozen different ways.
asciilifeform: 'but it's cheap1111!!!!11!! d3m0cr4cy!!!11111111111'
asciilifeform: 'pogo' - costs less than half of rpi, incidentally.
asciilifeform: and doesn't have dedicated cores running weird, evil closed-sourced blob at all times. or a defective i/o bridge.
asciilifeform: and ships in a (spartan) plastic chassis, and with power brick.
phillipsjk: Cheap is my Pentium-II-350 still in service. (also with 256MB or RAM)
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production.
asciilifeform: phillipsjk: original thread concerned experiments with machines that will run bitcoind that fit these characteristics.
asciilifeform: at minimal cost.
phillipsjk: yeah, had to move it yesterday. revised the weight estimate up from 50lbs to 60lbs to 70lbs.
asciilifeform: a machine containing a fan, even one, esp. a plastic chinese fan, cannot be called 'fire and forget'
phillipsjk: I recommend 2GB or RAM for running a node. sounds like you are trying to get that number down.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phillipsjk: neither fanless, nor pocket-sized, nor still in production. << The trifecta of want
phillipsjk: Hmm Freicoin is apparently using only like 36MB of RAM at the moment.
asciilifeform: fanless and elephant-sized would suffice in a pinch
asciilifeform: but these, afaik, do not exist either
phillipsjk: Should be possible then.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu wants to hand these out at parties.
asciilifeform: so must be reasonably low-cost.
asciilifeform: and something a civilian could plug in, somewhere in his cellar, and forget about it.
asciilifeform: incidentally, there is an output device: bicolour led.
asciilifeform: i'm having it turn red once the drive fills.
asciilifeform: or if cannot reach the net.
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: consider mutilating the version string. perhaps 'Serenissima 1.5.3.x' ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes et al: this has more than merely ceremonial effect, as, iirc, there are phoundation nodes that won't talk to < 0.8
asciilifeform: why make it easy for the bastards.
mircea_popescu: making what easy ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: splitting the net
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is bitcoin. no need to give bitcoin a special name just because some derps are derping.
asciilifeform: call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: was 0.5.3.1 an actual release?
asciilifeform: x.1 - not afaik.
asciilifeform: but existing installations still register it as 'obsolete'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why ?
ben_vulpes: mkay, well i published a patch that bumps to 0.5.3.1, don't know if you saw that
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, et al: missing ingredient - armv5 build of bitcoind 0.5.3 with necessary patches - that is, 100% therealbitcoin-controlled seeds. << pretty neat
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: unstable configuration?
ben_vulpes: anything interesting in the logs today?
mircea_popescu: nothing terribly.
mircea_popescu: !up phillipsjk nah, just tradition.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing"
asciilifeform: mod6: version number is actually used in the proggy
mod6: so it seems to me, the most logical thing to call this is v0.5.3.1
phillipsjk was asking about the pics
asciilifeform: mod6: if we're prepared for the eventuality that only our nodes answer our nodes - then yes.
phillipsjk: I take it the female population in this channel is low then.
mircea_popescu: phillipsjk basically sanity split from idiocy in bitcoin on the topic of porn, back in 2012.
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decimation: re: ntp server < to do a good job, you really need a dedicated server to host
asciilifeform: decimation: tricky, this. ntp is quite likely to be the weakest link here. central point of failure.
decimation: ideally one with a low-jitter clock
asciilifeform: without ntp, box has literally no notion of what the time is.
asciilifeform: (there is no battery.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so. looks at prev block
mircea_popescu: box thinks the time is "the previous block's time"
decimation: heh that's a good ida
asciilifeform: one more patch then.
decimation: it will be within minutes at least
mircea_popescu: it's the only way to do time.
asciilifeform: block-epoch
mircea_popescu: all that's needed for this application.
asciilifeform: may not even need to patch bitcoind
asciilifeform: but can lift from file system timestamp
asciilifeform: on blk***
asciilifeform: it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely...
decimation: yeah, you would probably want to average a few blocks & get system time
asciilifeform: timestamp on fs only works if we had the correct time once
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> it's the only way to do time. << i've been saying there's no such thing as time for a while now, only the length of the longest chain...
asciilifeform: so no good for warmup
decimation: asciilifeform: what stuff needs clock? filesystem timestamps? logging?
asciilifeform: at any rate, this does not necessarily work
asciilifeform: it is conceivable that the node is cut off from the net for a spell
asciilifeform: and then reconnected
asciilifeform: in fact, this is guaranteed to happen during transport
asciilifeform: can't use time of last block then
decimation: why does system need correct time between bootup and say two live observations of blocks?
asciilifeform: simply to lazily avoid making yet another change to bitcoind.
asciilifeform: (ideally, what runs on toy node will be quite the same thing as used on normal machines, but built for the embedded cpu)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> it is then tempting to omit ntp entirely... << i have no idea why it'd have been included.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes never any disagreeement on that score :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ?
mircea_popescu: and it DID have the correct time once. comes preloaded with the timestamp of say when we started this discussion. or w/e.
BingoBoingo: <mod6> <+asciilifeform> call it whatever name, but assigning a version equal to ancient phoundation release is foolish. << foolish because of nodes that wont talk with < 0.8, or foolish another reason? i've always detested version numbering because of "marketing" << Propper solution is counting down from 9000
mod6: ya, kalvin has been discussed too
mod6: i kinda like the notion.
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asciilifeform likes kelvin versioning
asciilifeform: ^ above code will have to be changed to actually set the machine clock ?
asciilifeform: presently it just spews warnings
asciilifeform: and node operates using system time
asciilifeform: that's what i was speaking of.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> can't use time of last block then << that's where i caught
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asciilifeform: can use time of last block on wire.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: kirov.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plain as daylight.
asciilifeform: dec. 1, 1934.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform guy wasn't some sort of bright young thing
asciilifeform: not necessary for the analogy.
asciilifeform: 1) kill inconvenient whoever 2) prattle on about 'dastardly murderers who must be brought to justice' 3) ??? 4) profit
mircea_popescu: hard to know what exactly happened there. however, there's little doubt this was a ss job.
mircea_popescu: and VERY inept one at that.
asciilifeform: 'spy agency' will be abolished and replaced with another, usg-friendly one.
mircea_popescu: whether the woman was involved or wasn't, the ss should get beheaded and well shook up after this.
asciilifeform: (not a 'sixth eye' by any means, but something like german bnd)
mircea_popescu: mno, the current one is us-friendly.
asciilifeform: perhaps not enough ?
mircea_popescu: that's the thing, cristina wants to behead them.
mircea_popescu: nah, too much.
mircea_popescu: that's the facts of the matter : spy agency is inept (practically) and missaligned (ideally). it has to get gutted.
mircea_popescu: now, wehther the woman ordered them to do a job knowing they'll bothc it, or
mircea_popescu: whether some 'enemies' were inept enough to do all this and just land it in her lap,
ben_vulpes: <coderwill> there were promises of equity but nothing official that i saw (other than verbal) << how does this fly with you people - verbal contracts for a thing with nothing written. when you sign the paper that says "i will work for thus and such" do you not stink the place up for lack of options?
mircea_popescu: or whatever else, all paths lead to the same spot.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: the private spy networks are probably much more frightening compared to say the CIA
asciilifeform: unfortunate thing is that new spy agencies tend to get made from rubble of the immediate predecessor, and never from whole cloth
ben_vulpes: i suppose you people also don't ask to see the cap table, and when told "that's privileged" don't turn around and walk out.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not even the problem. the problem is that argentina has no school, and so either it uses us educated iditos, or else what, get the russians in ?
asciilifeform: modern russians work for pay.
mircea_popescu: everyone works for pay.
mircea_popescu: until they don't.
BingoBoingo: contract hanbot?
asciilifeform: as instructors, being
mircea_popescu: shit, wikileaks worked for pay.
mircea_popescu: there's nothing to instruct here.
mircea_popescu: you can't find five argentines to rob a bank with, let alone do actual work.
asciilifeform: 'argentina has no school'
mike_c: ben_vulpes: option grants must be approved by the board.
mike_c: the company has to do a 409a valuation to set the price
mike_c: their coming, we promise.
mike_c: *they're
ben_vulpes: oh the board doesn't have their shit together with regards to the employee pool?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: d00d, there are 0 ride or die niggas in Argentina?
mircea_popescu: mike_c ben_vulpes it's a thoroughly broken, dysfunctional and nonsensical model, andja know it.
thestringpuller: there has to be like 1
mircea_popescu: !up NhanH
ben_vulpes: at least they're serious about not trying to recruit the "best! brightest!"
mike_c: certainly. just saying, that's how they avoid granting them on day 1 of employment.
mircea_popescu: mike_c amusingly enough, it's exactly the same process (dressed in different words) that your average romanian inkeep uses to keep the average romanian wench working under the table.
mike_c: i believe it. welcome to life under a thumb.
mircea_popescu: moar like, "welcome to we also use windows, because stupidity doesn't stink, nor hurt."
mircea_popescu: oh gawd if only stupidity could smell.
mike_c: it does smell to some.
asciilifeform: it does. simply not everyone has a nose.
mircea_popescu: yeah. but that's what i'm saying.
mircea_popescu: smell, universally, like rotten brains in the sun.
ben_vulpes: <trinque> #btcd tells me I'll eventually be able to query address balance with just btcd and btcctl... seems like keeping its own count is fine, no? << key word - "eventually"
TheNewDeal: Universe would be too logical if a foul fecal odour were emitted in proportion to the idiocy of a statement emitted by a person
thestringpuller: TheNewDeal: lol, people have organ that makes them fart when they act like idiots
thestringpuller: would make a great south park episode
trinque: ben_vulpes: eventually is also when I'll have a fully synced blockchain
ben_vulpes: ain't it da truf
ben_vulpes: <punkman> [] https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B8PQVvEIIAI10Uw.jpg << this is what happens when even knives are outlawed
ben_vulpes: you can rob a place with a...stick.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen mrstickball
gribble: mrstickball was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 18 weeks, 4 days, 10 hours, 47 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <Mrstickball> they are as well, AFAIK
ben_vulpes: ;;seen the20year
gribble: the20year was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 5 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes, and 1 second ago: <the20year> i hear they're aiming for a 0.5% APY
ben_vulpes: !t h rent
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asciilifeform: who is mrs. tickball ?
mike_c: brother of 20year
ben_vulpes: one of the ohians renting squats to derps
asciilifeform: unlike some of the non-usa folks here, i find it entirely plausible that nobody claimed the free coin.
asciilifeform: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected street idiot to take a bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: as experiment, go try getting a randomly selected semi technically savvy person to take a bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: webwallets do not count.
ben_vulpes: everyone who's inclined is in.
mats: hi cuties
ben_vulpes: everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again.
ben_vulpes: hey mats, how're the massachusets sluts today?
mats: indoors awaiting the snowpocalypse
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i suspect they would even refuse a brick of, e.g., iridium. because it isn't gold, they've never seen it, have no idea of its value nor even whether it's a stable element
asciilifeform: because slept in second grade
mats: hell of a grade school
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when 1200 usd/btc, did they take?
ben_vulpes: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold. hurt more when it pops.
ben_vulpes: not rocket surgery, this.
asciilifeform: 'took' so they can lose to winblows, or sell at 100.
thestringpuller: the psychology of the bagholder
ben_vulpes: and also "take"? nobody was offering. selling, maybe.
asciilifeform: the psychology of not merely bagholder, but with gigantic hole in the bottom of bag
asciilifeform: every bubble's going to bring more into the fold << trying to make argument that they weren't 'in', but more like the clingers-on one sees hanging from trams and trolleybuses in the turd works
asciilifeform: say a demented beggar were to print 'stocks' and 'futures' on used toilet paper. for, say, exxon.
asciilifeform: a set of entirely brainless, thoroughly pickled bums - buys these 'financial instruments'
asciilifeform: are they thus 'in' the whatever bubble ?
asciilifeform: fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration.
asciilifeform: *wallet
BingoBoingo: Соединённые Штаты Пиндоссии
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bonus points if you track down the etymology of пиндос
asciilifeform: (hint: nothing, contrary to popular notion, to do with pederasty)
ben_vulpes: can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't.
BingoBoingo: Πίνδος << The wrong kind of greeks
BingoBoingo: Working on that vocabulary
BingoBoingo: Roughly Idiot
asciilifeform: aha. it caught on, and no one knows (afaik) precisely why.
mod6: so currently, to set the version we must set this value: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/v0.5.3/src/serialize.h#L63
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BingoBoingo: The spanish pendejo sounds similar. Not sure if phonetic accident or otherwise.
mod6: and im wondering, if we use kalvin, and start at 9000 (it'll result in v0.0.90-beta) how we can ensure that other nodes won't think we're on < 0.8
asciilifeform: mod6: add zeros as needed.
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mod6: so my point here is, without a bigger overhaul to the versioning system; one would have to set 90000 to be v0.9.0, or 9000000 to be 9.0.0, but then what? because we should be counting down. and at some point, we'll cross the threshold of < 0.8
mod6: (900000 = v0.90.0)
mod6: so... :/
mod6: overhaul required.
mod6: anyway, i like the kalvin thing. but that'll have to be something to think about later.
BingoBoingo: What about count down from maxint
mircea_popescu: mod6 a) lord kelvin! there's no kalvin. an' b) just forget about this entire vanity version thing, why do you want to hardfork the versions now ?!
mircea_popescu: let em be, it's 0.5.3 it's 0.5.3 what of it
mod6: i was pretty set on v0.5.3.1 until ascii tells us that we might not be able to be talk to anything < 0.8 -- which to me seems weird.. because i've fully syncd a dozen times, and done send/receive np
mod6: err > 0.8
mircea_popescu: that's nonsense.
mod6: we're getting close to wrapping up a first cut of this thing. so i want to nail down any changes before we get start to roll one.
mod6: any *last minute* requirements
mircea_popescu: anyone's more than welcome to run their own blocklists, which some people do. but the entire network's built on the premise that you can'trealy isolate nodes.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> everone else...gives zero fucks. and will continue to give zero fucks until usd/btc bubbles up again. << at the time it was 50-70bux or so.
mircea_popescu: go break into one of these low income households, rape the women, kill the men, ransack the drawers.
mircea_popescu: see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux.
decimation: re: version numbers: what about the knuth model of approching pi or something?
mod6 looks
decimation: ben_vulpes: technically pointy sticks are already outlawed in most us states
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> fellow using webwalled - is quite like above illustration. << pretty good one. especially because it happened
mod6: decimation: got a link to something about that, not seeing anything relevant
mircea_popescu: hence the boiler room name
mod6: decimation: they just outlawed sledding too
mod6: LEL
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mod6: ah thx
decimation: or were you talking about pointy sticks?
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> can't say as i get it. either one owns btc or one doesn't. << one either owns real estate or doesn't. where does that leave the teenagers, inhabiting comfortable middle class homes they can't afford, and not even having to suck cock for it, like they will a decade down the road ?
mod6: decimation: i mean the pi versioning.
decimation: so the idea would be you approach some irrational number with each improvement (add a digit)
mod6: so like: a]: v3 b]: v3.1 c]: v3.14 ... ?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
decimation: of course one could just store the number of digits too
mircea_popescu: exactly.
ben_vulpes: this is getting out of hand.
ben_vulpes: stop messing with mod6's head
ben_vulpes: have the discussion sometime when we're not trying to do whatever we're trying to do this week, mk?
ben_vulpes: introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing.
decimation: re: ntp & bitcoind << actually, it would be possible to get ntp to 'listen' to bitcoind to keep track of time
decimation: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html < with the proper configuration, one can poke the current block timestamp (and the system clock time when the block came in off the wire) into an ntp shared memory interface
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decimation: ntp will use its own math to average & filter time
BingoBoingo: Just have to remember that carelessly configured ntp accessible on the network is one of the DoS amplification venues we hate
decimation: no, in this case there would be no reason for ntp to be network accessible
decimation: it is only used to filter incoming timestamps & maintain the system clock
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BingoBoingo: Ah cool
BingoBoingo: Just have to make sure the toy node ntp implementation actually holds to that.
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coderwill: hi all
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes> introduction of a new versioning system should not be an ad hoc thing. << or a thing at all.
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TheNewDeal: wow that was a quick follow up
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mircea_popescu: hacking!
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asciilifeform: decimation: ntp shared memory interface << what have you been smoking ?!?!
asciilifeform: decimation: terrible idea. can hardly even picture how to make it worse.
asciilifeform: there is no reason to add linkages from bitcoind to kernel space.
asciilifeform: let it maintain own local time if must
asciilifeform: but as delta from system clock, in userland.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there is no reason whatsoever to have ntp client -or- server on that box. question was whether to use functionality built into 'u-boot' to grab ntp time from [somewhere] once, on powerup.
asciilifeform: and what to do it not (or if this results in a wild number due to diddled box on other end)
asciilifeform: *if not
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ...see how many COUPONS you find. to "save" generally 5-10 bux << popular chumpatronic device in usa, but fading on accout of the demise of dead tree newspapers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modernized version of this sc4m4tr0n is 'services' where chump pays subscription (xx months Phr33333! l1mit3d t1m3!!!11) to get 'rewards' (coupons for things that he won't use / don't exist / end up costing even more than for others)
asciilifeform: sometimes this is even included as... an employment perk. at some megacorps.
asciilifeform: (it costs employer little or nothing, as the vendors the chumps are herded into using - usually pay.)
asciilifeform: hanbot et al : what tinder's doing is removing the basic requirement of... << snore. i'm thoroughly unconvinced that anyone is having any sex that would not be being had otherwise without this proggy
mircea_popescu: myeah. groupon being an effort to make this into a BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY
mircea_popescu: the sort that could "buy everything in russia"
asciilifeform: that it might more efficiently manage a queueing of women in the city for processing by local mircea_popescu - possibly
mircea_popescu: well that's the idea
asciilifeform: but it's being sold to civilians, and, more particularly, men, and that's rather like pitching captive bolt guns as a product to cattle
asciilifeform: 'be slaughtered by the latest in...'
mircea_popescu: i thought it was being mostly sold to gals.
asciilifeform has no idea, pontificating using anal rng
decimation: asciilifeform: 'kernel space' < do you mean the shared memory api?
TheNewDeal: didn't realize it, but apparently it's possible to declare a snow emergency in the euniched states and make it illegal for anyone other than police and medical personell to use the streets
decimation: !up McNumpty
decimation: rare actual reporting in us media: http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/08/comcast-donations-help-company-secure-support-of-time-warner-cable-merger/ < "Both the Democratic Governors Association and Pennsylvania State Mayors’ Association pointed to Comcast’s Internet Essentials program that provides $10-per-month Internet access to low-income families. Comcast agreed to create the program in order to secure approval of its 2011
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decimation: acquisition of NBCUniversal."
asciilifeform: decimation: there's no reason to actually set the system clock from bitcoind, on account of it being the only proggy on the box that needs absolute time.
asciilifeform: decimation: comcast... internet essentials... $10-per-month << obligatory >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=208
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mats: I'm disappointed that The Imitation Game didn't go with the murder theory
mats: but overall 8/10
decimation: asciilifeform: doesn't bitcoind occasionally need wallclock time for its orphan & 'peak' algorithms?
asciilifeform: decimation: it - yes. but nothing else on the box.
TheNewDeal: damn ascii, that was in 2010?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: picture was drawn (not by me) even earlier.
asciilifeform: iirc circa '07, at the latest
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal how about that! i knew katrina was a floor not a top.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suppose just setting the clock based on the timestamp of the last block seen on bootup isn't such a bad idea
EPiSKiNG-: woot
asciilifeform: decimation: not the actual (kernel) clock. bitcoind's local delta (which does not presently exist, but must be added in)
decimation: asciilifeform: how does bitcoind maintain a wallclock without the kernel's clock?
asciilifeform: decimation: easy. delta from system clock.
decimation: oh I see duh
decimation: yeah that's much simpler than gluing ntp centrifugal governor on top :)
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TheNewDeal: Mircea are you referring to the hurricane?
decimation: asciilifeform: re: $10-per-month-internet < yeah, except it's even more insideous - if you are the 'right kind of people', you get the deal, otherwise you get the full monopoly
TheNewDeal: Somehow that flew over my head, not sure if it was because I'm thinking floor(x), ceiling(x)?
mircea_popescu: hey there EPiSKiNG-
EPiSKiNG-: howdy
EPiSKiNG-: glad to be here
EPiSKiNG-: :)
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mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal yes i am.
mircea_popescu: first time the bs "state owns the road" started afaik.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform usg still working on hardforking the internet, huh ?
asciilifeform: ^ lol!!
mod6: haha
asciilifeform: usg still working on hardforking the internet << it can't ever stop, until dies. burned into its bios, or sumthinglikethat
decimation: note that usg accomplishes bifurcating the internet without actually writing down any law
decimation: 'they will do it if they know what's good for them'
asciilifeform: much of the daily contact between usg and subjects has not the remotest thing to do with laws
asciilifeform: microshit, for instance, is in every way - other than law - a ministry of usg
asciilifeform: likewise the credit bureaus
asciilifeform: and a hundred other organizations.
asciilifeform: most, nominally 'private'
decimation: they all exist under the heading of some usg fiat or another, mostly from fdr days
asciilifeform: a somewhat arbitrary example - lexis nexis.
asciilifeform: try practicing law (or even doing any serious legal/political scholarship) in usa without it.
decimation: asciilifeform: not only that, lexis nexis (and like entities) even 'own' most legal codes in the us
decimation: your local city or state pays them to publish
asciilifeform: hence example.
mod6: We regret to inform you that your republic has termites.
BingoBoingo: afaik Westlaw/Lexis actually hire minions to go to the courthouses to pickup and scan paper records
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the "private", chris ballas had an excellent piece.
mircea_popescu: "yes, it means you don't get a pension".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, that one.
asciilifeform: he was speaking of the ants, rather than the elephants, however.
mircea_popescu: mod6 has it eh.
decimation: I was talking with a guy who was in korea in the early 90's. at that time, you could easily find someone to custom tailor your entire wardrobe for a low $$ price. he recently returned there and found no one bothers with that anymore
decimation: similarly, usg civil servants don't find much reason to bother with actual work, when coolies will do - often for free
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's not burning man, that is clearly the middle west.
mircea_popescu: same thing.
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