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decimation: who knows how long it can last, but the above debt issue isn't exactly a healthy sign
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mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
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mircea_popescu: so here's an idea i just had : if one were to take a gas with favourable properties (such as high phase lambda, low evaporation temperature, stuff like that) and put a bunch of it liquefied in a canister
mircea_popescu: then open up an outlet in a convenient atmosphere, such as where a mist machine is working, or maybe just very humid tropical climate,
mircea_popescu: as the gas expanding sucks heat out of the canister, ice forms, which insulates, so eventually the gas coming out the outlet is itself supercooled, sucking the heat out of the atmosphere and making ice in random patterns. baiscally, "self-building ice tree"
mircea_popescu: perhaps works even better at the bottom of a shallow lake. "self-reorganising lake".
mircea_popescu: in any case... the high fantasy power of the ice / frost mage, at your fingertips. all you need is a compressor.
mircea_popescu: should make for pretty decent shows for like, corporate parties and expensive weddings and whatnot. And now, Billy Bob, the Ice Mage!
mircea_popescu: does anyone currently do this ?
cazalla cast frost shock
mircea_popescu: jurov: this is the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead <<< out of the 10`000 billion lines of commentary written on the "usg is making up money and giving it to redhat to implement its policies ; whereby control economy is now called "do-ocracy" topic the past year or so, yours is the first one to actually be fucking sensible.
mircea_popescu: because yes, there fucking IS more to it than just the politicals of uncle sam going "o hai linux guise, you has some cattle of mine, taking them back kthxbye"
mircea_popescu: undata: please take my course on the above for only 10 BTC << too cheap to work.
undata: mircea_popescu: damn, you're right. priced myself way below the life-coach/motivational market
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: yes because even more pretending will save the world << my fucking thoughts exactly.
mircea_popescu: undata see, this is why you should go work for me making 0.18 btc an hour.
mircea_popescu: while derping at conferences about how you're what was it, "transcending"
undata: haha, not bad money
mircea_popescu: ;;seen asciilifeform
gribble: asciilifeform was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 7 hours, 55 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i never understood the 'happy hacking keyboard' and imitators. being as i live and die by function keys, the more the merrier. why voluntarily have fewer?
mircea_popescu: this is how i know i'm not a programmer. i have not actually pressed any F key in... uh. months ?
mircea_popescu: cuz wtf for.
undata: better to program programmers, or so I hear
mircea_popescu: decimation:
mircea_popescu: "If the Treasury were forced to convert the $1.4 trillion in short-term bills (on which it now pays an average interest rate of 0.056 percent) into 30-year bonds at the average rate it is now paying on such bonds (4.919 percent) the interest on that $1.4 trillion in debt would increase 88-fold." <<< this is wreaking untold havoc on the entire known world, incidentally .it's not just the disruption it WILL cause as it u
mircea_popescu: that's the small part. the big part is the disruption it has already caused, and it continues to cause each passing day.
decimation: In my opinion, usg's crimes are not 'active' in the sense that they scheme with redhat for evil - usg's crime is that if failed to use the resources and human talent at its disposal to advance the art of computing at all
mircea_popescu: like the stuff discussed above re usg agency redhat, fuycking up linux. EXACTLY the stiuation of the giant ruining a chair.
mircea_popescu: linux is a nice comfortable chair. after red hat is done sitting in it, it will perhaps be still usable. maybe. like the woman that delivered a baby hippo will still make a good wife.
mircea_popescu: add to that all the idiots living off "free money" that was GIVEN tro them, while selling themselves on and trying to sell everyone else on how they're "making a positive impact"
mircea_popescu: the sheer amount of plain idiocy being imported into the software of the world by this avenue far exceeds all the idiocy that could ever be imported into openssh or the kernel.
mircea_popescu: because people do this, there's idiots whose careers are entirelyt constructed out of "advising start-ups", like undata is keenly aware.
undata: painfully so
mircea_popescu: there's nothing more corrosive to a state, and a society, and ultimately a culture, than fake money. it's the curse of fucking doom, you don't even need enemies if you got that.
undata: mircea_popescu: it makes people unable to think!
decimation: a very small part of the us population has any idea what it really means to economically run a business (turn a profit), and that part isn't in power
mircea_popescu: it's like nobody bothers to wish ill on the cancer patient. that's why russia and china are not even remotely interested in a large scale war.
mircea_popescu: just wait the scaroma victim out.
decimation: heh china is happy to buy the paper actually
undata: I have literally screamed "We need to make money!" at multiple jobs before setting out on my own.
mircea_popescu: and, unlike the fucking pretense and idiocy now current in the white world,
mircea_popescu: neither russians nor chinese are all that ethnically blind.
undata: the US "tech economy" is filled with rabbits who think the food and water just fills itself.
mircea_popescu: the day will come when being white will actually be exactly what the white supremacists feed themselves out of fearing : a handicap.
decimation: undata: from the outside, I've see the 'startup' debt-funding culture creates all sorts of weird behaviors
mircea_popescu: undata pretty much, it's almost as if cazalla's farm decided to enact itself into a "tech scene"
mircea_popescu: who'd care, right ? cazalla wouldn't even know.
undata: when I was 19 I was drummed out of a ruby on rails startup for my aforementioned rant
decimation: like, why not re-engineer a product from scratch when we could buy it off the shelf, because we have slaves working for us and we don't need to show positive cash flow!
undata: the company collapsed a month or two later
undata: they were seeking being bought out as their only strategy
mircea_popescu: perhaps not understanding that "give me free money" only works for that kid, with the truck.
mircea_popescu: and even then, it's hit-and-miss
undata: doesn't seem like you can correct "cannot think"
decimation: as Mr. Yarvin (and many others) have pointed out, the bottom line is that the us as a going concern (then entire economy) is a money losing proposition
undata: or to be more specific than that, it's "thinks his own imagination somehow directly affects reality"
mircea_popescu: decimation since carter at least. yes. and there's no way out of this.
mircea_popescu: nor, since there's no way out, is there any incentive to do anything but worsen it.
mircea_popescu: undata aka magic.
mircea_popescu: yes, you can't readily cure magic. which is why africa is and will remain africa.
decimation: nope. His analogy was something like: if you have a russian factory that's losing money - you take a haircut on operations and attempt to make it profitable
decimation: if that fails, the most rational option is to split up the assets and sell them off
decimation: which is kinda happening to the us on a slow scale
mircea_popescu: incidentally, all the people trained to hate the supreme sacred congregation of the holy office and their historical activities :
mircea_popescu: the rteason the civilise west exists is specifically because fucking idiots got burned at the stake for being fucking idiots.
undata: terrible gardening, letting anything grow anywhere it wants
mircea_popescu: undata yeah. good luck moving lovage, mint, rosemary, walnuts, etc.
mircea_popescu: not so easy :)
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undata afk for a bit
decimation: natural law re-asserts itself, eventually
mircea_popescu: decimation excellent find, the euclid case.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's a landmark failure of the us legal system to protect the us the us pretends to be.
mircea_popescu: obviously sin breeds sin, had the generation of justices called to protect their country in the 1920s done a good job of it, the following generation wouldn't have seen itself confronted with "the government has stolen people's gold, whatcha gonna do about it"
assbot: The endless story of Korea. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1pBtiVt )
mircea_popescu: aka Perry v. United States, 294 U.S. 330 (1935)
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punkman: mornin'
mircea_popescu: "Why? I think there are several reasons. One is that being mean makes you stupid. That's why I hate fights. You never do your best work in a fight, because fights are not sufficiently general. Winning is always a function of the situation and the people involved. You don't win fights by thinking of big ideas but by thinking of tricks that work in one particular case. And yet fighting is just as much work as thinking ab
mircea_popescu: out real problems. Which is particularly painful to someone who cares how their brain is used: your brain goes fast but you get nowhere, like a car spinning its wheels."
mircea_popescu: apparently graham has not done his pascal reading. how about that lol.
mircea_popescu: "Another reason mean founders lose is that they can't get the best people to work for them. They can hire people who will put up with them because they need a job. But the best people have other options. A mean person can't convince the best people to work for him unless he is super convincing. And while having the best people helps any organization, it's critical for startups."
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "you can't get cool people to hang out in places where there's fire because fgire burns".
mircea_popescu: depends a fucking helluvalot WHAT, or as the case may be whom. the "best people" that are attracted to spineless idiots are never successful.
mircea_popescu: the people who manage to distinguish the effectually ruthless from the merely psychopathic always come out ahead, whether they're otherwise great or not, intelligent or not, whatever their situation may be.
mircea_popescu: there is of course also this (perhaps not entirely uninterested, perhaps even progressive-wetdream, perhaps actually correct) theory that ruthlessness rusts over time, and in the end you're always left with a psychopath.
mircea_popescu: of course, even should that be the merely unavoidable flow of things, proposing to stick with "nice people" as a palliative is not unlike proposing to stop eating because well, eating will in due course bring about your death.
mircea_popescu: studying diets seems a saner approach.
mircea_popescu: at least, this was the approach favoured by socrates and his school (platon, aristotel). which brings us back to the problem with paul graham : he is exactly the sort of scandalous ignoramus the us produces these days.
mircea_popescu: the problems he considers are in fact very rudimentary restatements of ancient considerations, and his complete unawareness of the space readily gives me ground to say "being a progressive makes you stupid".
mircea_popescu: which, empirically, it would seem to.
punkman: he has all kinds of stupid essays
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mircea_popescu: that problem, you know ? "o noes, james smith has reinveted the wheel!"
mircea_popescu: "come see paul graham read aramaic at the bottom of his start-up hat, and then translate it with the herpimm and the derpimm, two magical entrepreneurial stones from ancient egypt."
decimation: heh well maybe he found it on a random hill
mircea_popescu: anyway, looking at it from the other angle, "check out what incredible cultural gymnastics the socialists need to justify and defend their ludicrous dogmas"
mircea_popescu: indeed : in order for the "only nice people" mantra to be "supported" after a fashion, one needs to be not only completely ignorant of the classics, but not even realise that the fucking central subject both in their writings and in their own, stated estimation, was "how to rule people", and this is in no small part a consideration of what they call "mean".
mircea_popescu: a total fucking misnomer, by the way, what they mean is "ruthless". mean denotes something else, it's a sort of spiritual cheapness.
mircea_popescu: i get why it'd be nice for ruthlesness to carry the connotations meanness properly does. however, something being nice doesn't really do anything. if only it did, then the nice people'd be like mages, calling forth reality out of their fucking song.
undata: this "niceness" thing strikes me as a euphemism for obedient, if not to an explicit master then to the ubiquitous American religion of going with the flow
decimation: the us is ruled by the ruthless; they just never show their face to the public and never appear on camera
undata: portland tech startups are filled with such pussies; people are astoundingly offendable
mircea_popescu: well, it's difficult to circumscribe it, seeing how it's a word with no definition enacted by usage of a tribe that's not particularly thinking-inclined. but i would say "niceness" mostly denotes a sort of bovine passivity.
mircea_popescu: he is nice who does not ever act upon any other.
mircea_popescu: basically, it'll build a great 1700s india, this niceness.
undata: nobody will fight with you in a US tech company
mircea_popescu: decimation everything everywhere is ruled by the ruthless. that's why the simple were promised the kingdom of heaven
undata: I am too young to know whether this was always the case
decimation: well, Mr. Yarvin is quick to point out that it only took 1000 british civil servants to rule all of said india
mircea_popescu: not, like the jews, the kingdom of caldeea or w.e
undata: but I've always wanted to be in an environment where people would fight each other for the best idea
mircea_popescu: you are lol.
decimation: the whole idea of democracy is that the true power is obfuscated
undata: oh, right.
mircea_popescu: decimation monarchy too lol.
mircea_popescu: true power is always obfuscated.
mircea_popescu: in the simplest form : "don't call us, we'll call you"
decimation: heh yeah
mircea_popescu: power is necessarily unidirectional, by definition.
mircea_popescu: to be unidirectional it has to manifest some subset of properties of invisibility, somehow.
decimation: yeah, power without some kind of exclusivity isn't power
decimation: I just stumbled on this webpage: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ << apparently there is an organization of us military who will keep their 'oath' to the constitution
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mircea_popescu: that got started right after 2001
decimation: yeah reading what some of them think it's obvious they spout nonsense
mircea_popescu: i never actually went that far.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are the centurions to write lmao.
decimation: so, the head guy is a lawyer who assisted with the ron paul campaign
undata: also demonstrates the pervasive belief that talk = action
undata: "having your voice heard"!!!
undata: reminds me of the idiots that marched in downtown portland in response to ferguson
mircea_popescu: no, see, magical thinking strikes again,.
undata: you know, in an orderly fashion, mostly obedient to cops, etc
mircea_popescu: "if only our prayers were HEARD"
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mircea_popescu: yea, wat then ? god'll think you'r somewhere between offensively stupid and hysterically funny.
decimation: yeah, that's their exact problem, if they were to take any document-able action it would be counted as treason and usg would slam down
undata: mircea_popescu: wow... "god" the imaginary aggregate of democratic demands
mircea_popescu: of course ?
undata: certainly, it's just sickening
mircea_popescu: that figure is always the same figure, not like psychology is now going to fucking progress or something.
decimation: sorry for the moldbug link, but he sums it up well: http://unqualified-reservations.blogspot.co.uk/2010/07/actual-letter-to-liberal-friend.html << "Peasants see a patron-client relationship between the gentlemen and the varlets - a relationship not at all unlike the late Roman relationship of _clientela_, where a patrician measured his social status by the vast army of plebeians that battened on his trenches. Again, what to the
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mircea_popescu: and besides, very deeply human thing, someone on his knees in a church or behind a tree or somehting, "please, i can't take this"
decimation: gentleman appears as a noble act of charity, compassion, etc, to the coarse and cynical peasant reveals itself as a purchase of political power, with his tax dollars if not his physical safety. Therefore a vision of the gallows arises in his hindbrain."
undata: mircea_popescu: seems like a person who has been broken merely by realizing the fact of his own existence
mircea_popescu: lol what the fuck else ?
mircea_popescu: there is nothing besides the fact of one's own existence.
undata: yes but broken by it?
undata: what kind of animal is that
mircea_popescu: well... you know that saying that, "given an artefact and a situation, the artefact will either work or it won't" ?
mircea_popescu: sometimes it gets broken by it, yes.
mircea_popescu: decimation maybe. how do you proceed from there ?
decimation: heh well he didn't have much in that direction
decimation: pretty much "the peasants realize they are being fucked and are pissed, but can do nothing"
mircea_popescu: see, it's a summary, for sure, and it has what to stand on, but it's not necessarily the case that its footing will support any ulterior conclusion.
mircea_popescu: so it's one of those, "maybe, depends where you aim to take it"
mircea_popescu: looky at a simile : two hot 17 yos : a redhead with perky tits, a brunette with butt to die for.
mircea_popescu: the guy they both like goes for one, or the other.
mircea_popescu: the one (or the other) sees true love. the other (or the one) sees just sheer stupidity on his part and the nefariousness of that one (or the other) witch.
mircea_popescu: what, someone's correct in this mess ?
decimation: Yeah that's a good point. It goes back to the position of the french nobility ca. 1789
mircea_popescu: if obama comes to power and gives a bunch of tax money to a bunch of cronies, the democratic activists will see justice being done, and the republicans corruption.
mircea_popescu: had the other schmuck won, idem.
mircea_popescu: just, the other way around.
decimation: Possibly. I get the feeling that republicans tend to be more ideological though
undata: naaaw
mircea_popescu: how do you measure ideologicalness ?
decimation: well, one can ask humans what they think, but does that reveal anything?
mircea_popescu: "Tom Reagan: I am awake. Tad: Your eyes are shut. Tom Reagan: Who you gonna believe?"
assbot: Logged on 28-09-2014 04:06:55; decimation: and this one. http://www.vox.com/2014/9/15/6131919/democrats-and-republicans-really-are-different "And they note that while voters tend to agree with Republicans on the philosophical questions in American politics (should government be smaller?) they tend to agree with Democrats on the policy questions in American politics (like should Social Security be smaller?)."
undata: the ideology of both parties is selling the US out to whoever has paid them
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, underpins all winner-loser scenarios on the broader timescale in all politcal systems to date.
mircea_popescu: the losers are "principled" and the winners are distributing largesse out of the public goods.
mircea_popescu: because an election still is an advance auction of stolen goods.
mircea_popescu: so you know, either the redheaded or the brunette is busy squealing, while the other's sitting in a corner thinking of jesus and sin.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter : in the 70s ? dude totally the voter agreed "philosophically" with the progressives.
mircea_popescu: just didn't vote with 'em.
undata: yep, things like "o no abortion" on the "right" are just marketing
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undata: though the marketing is getting less effective, it seems
undata: whether that's an opportunity for something better to come along is questionable imo, and goes back to the "can't think" problem
decimation: there's a point to this (the idea that the losing party claims 'philosophic victory'). but there's a long tradition of 'old republicans' predicting doom which more-or-less came true
decimation: undata: abortion is a complex issue that ends up being used as a wedge on both sides
undata: the "paleo-conservative" thing seems to be on the way out with my grandfather's generation
undata: he was involved with the "american party" back in the day
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decimation: perhaps it is dying (or dead) - but to me that means the idea of 'america' as anything more than a pile of spoils to be divided is dead
undata: certainly
undata: even the "right" is way too socialist to advocate "american capitalism", if there ever was such a thing
decimation: agreed. There was a time when this wasn't the case, but those guys are nearly all dead now
decimation: or they are marginalized
undata: my grandfather (who I admire) was largely ignored in the 70s
undata: forget trying to get people excited about free markets today
undata: hell to most of the people alive, that's the rational position to take
undata: if they had to compete, they'd lose
decimation: 'american capitalism' did exist, in the sense that a little over 100 years ago, people used gold coins (or receipts for the same) and private bank notes
decimation: in retrospect the seeds of of ruin were already sown - but that time existed
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undata: hmmmm
undata: video isn't terribly convincing
decimation: apparently the 'oath keepers' showed up to provide security and were told to leave after 'media inquiries' http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/article_f90b6edd-acf8-52e3-a020-3a78db286194.html
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undata: interesting, I wonder what that group will evolve into
ben_vulpes: undata: did you hear about the part where the "protesters" briefly endeavored to get up on the highway and were chivvied similarly politely back onto the surface roads by the 5-0?
ben_vulpes: lulziest part of the whole action in this area
ben_vulpes: and yet plain wrappers stopping traffic on burnside for no discernible reason; idling in SWAT gear on grand
undata: these kids... a "demonstration" as a fucking social-signaling ritual
undata: now the cops, they sound like they actually demonstrated something
decimation: well, the aging hippies who run usg like to see a few protest-arrests on a resume
mats_cd03: b-but think of the instagram and snapchat pics
ben_vulpes: i'm sure it was a good time for all involved. joints, flasks, conversation that all agreed on important topics...
mircea_popescu: <decimation> there's a point to this (the idea that the losing party claims 'philosophic victory'). but there's a long tradition of 'old republicans' predicting doom which more-or-less came true << same for the left.
mircea_popescu: predicted doom can always be satisfactorily claimed to have come true, which is why it's been a favourite sport all along
decimation: yeah, for instance chomsky et.al.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> undata: abortion is a complex issue that ends up being used as a wedge on both sides << abortion is only "complex" because it is undefined. the actualy issue is, who owns the woman. if the husband owns the wife "abortion" is no problem. if the wife owns the husband, idem. nonsensical "middle of the road" dualities that can't stand, where the wife is really a husband all by herself, except not really are ne
mircea_popescu: cessarily "complex"
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mircea_popescu: could as well say nonsensical.
decimation: well, that doesn't settle the issue of whether abortion is moral, but it certainly extinguishes "but it's a woman's right!" argument
mircea_popescu: it makes the "abortion is moral" debate what it belongs being : a moot question.
mircea_popescu: societies where husbands own the wife are always in a dire shortage of men
mircea_popescu: and so abortion is generally impractical.
decimation: wasn't this pretty much settled law everywhere in europe before 1800?
decimation: I mean the husband owning the wife
mircea_popescu: well, it's settled law to this day pretty much everywhere.
mircea_popescu: there's a few jurisdictions scattered around counting a few hundred million souls that are trying an experiment on the topic currently
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to be going too well.
mircea_popescu: undata> hell to most of the people alive, that's the rational position to take >> quite.
mircea_popescu: the only thing here is that the opinions of the idjits don't actually count tho.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> i'm sure it was a good time for all involved. joints, flasks, conversation that all agreed on important topics... << notice what the cocktail party of the 70s has turned into.
mircea_popescu: a camping trip in the ghetto sprawl.
mircea_popescu: MUCH CHEAPER nao!
ben_vulpes: a nice cocktail party's expensive!
ben_vulpes: stott with me, if you'd be so kind.
mircea_popescu: because socialism always moves on to the cheaper alternative, this being the true definition of progress. "where your dad had crystal glasses and imported liqueurs, you now get asphalt under the elements and a half-dung joint"
decimation: where one carefully condemns the horrible behavior of white cops while studiously ignoring the horrible behavior of black 'civilians'
ben_vulpes: "CAN'T SORRY GHETTO'S ON FIRE GOTTA GO WALK AROUND ABOUT IT"
mircea_popescu: where was that exceptional piece of bad writing, brb
ben_vulpes: subject of crystal, i was washing one out this evening and it struck me how fragile all of civilization is. take that glass - wash it in water too warm or too hot or switch the temperature too abruptly and the thing will whine and fall apart in your hands.
mircea_popescu: you ever had proper lead crystal ?
mircea_popescu: (aka bohemian glass, aka "swarowksy" these days)
mircea_popescu: that thing's so solid it's a fucking murder weapon.
ben_vulpes: the windows in the house i grew up
ben_vulpes: in the house in which i grew up were*
punkman: I got a set or two, they usually survive small falls
mircea_popescu: aha found it!
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ben_vulpes: doesn't lead crystal risk dosing the users with lead?
ben_vulpes is ignorant of all the finer things in life
decimation: 'mericans only have time to make money, not enjoy it
ben_vulpes: hey so punkman you need a vps or what?
ben_vulpes: ddos resistance iirc?
punkman: need to write new code, got time to work on it today
punkman: but if you wanna setup secure box for the IRC bot part, that'd be welcome
punkman: I'll split up the web part
ben_vulpes: i ain't setting anything up but i can spin you up an aws box of your own
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decimation: ben_vulpes: did you try one of those 'vultr' vpses?
punkman: nah, I'll put it on my DO account so I don't have to bother anyone
decimation: well, it seems like the ddoser has taught us that aws is pretty solid
ben_vulpes: decimation: nope. bezzle hosting gets paid for with bezzlebux.
ben_vulpes: anyways, i'm off for the night.
decimation: 'night!
mircea_popescu: "[3] Peter Thiel would point out that successful founders still get rich from controlling monopolies, just monopolies they create rather than ones they capture. And while this is largely true, it means a big change in the sort of person who wins."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha this is the lulziest bit of the entire senile-graham wankfest.
mircea_popescu: so wait, the "gilded age financiers" DIDNT create the railroad monopolies ?
mircea_popescu: jesus the sort of brainrot. see kids, i have another reason to crack down on socialism, and an additional argument to use when I do : socialism makes you stupid.
mircea_popescu: it takes a graham as he was in the 80s and produces the barely cognizant empty shell that will make junior-high level errors in his ill thought out essays.
mircea_popescu: it takes astute practical thinkers like the buffett of the 70s and turns them into "i believe in america and carbon tax credits!" sort of al gore marionette.
mircea_popescu: a sickening display.
mircea_popescu: "I think you make an excellent point, but all these cases are examples of guys who got a seat on a rocket and were pretty ruthless about who else got to ride."
mircea_popescu: it's a rocket, don't you know.
mircea_popescu: and if you make a business, you didn't make that business. and really the political problems of the us are whether black dudes pee correctly and how someone drew a cartoon character's tits.
mircea_popescu: in no case anything like "an immense horde of absolutely nil idiots expect everyone to believe the world exists to serve them"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00126 = 1.26 BTC [+]
cazalla: well, the moneybookers tweet fooled at least one news site http://newsbtc.com/2014/11/26/skrill-fuels-speculation-bitcoin-tweet/
assbot: Skrill Fuels Speculation With Bitcoin Tweet | NEWSBTC ... ( http://bit.ly/1HOzShr )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 47 @ 0.1 = 4.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77900 @ 0.00035223 = 27.4387 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00035104 = 17.1659 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58700 @ 0.0003504 = 20.5685 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5661 @ 0.00035472 = 2.0081 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 999 @ 0.00127 = 1.2687 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/minigame-smg-november-2014-statement/ << pretty major, includes sneak peaks into flora/fauna and loads of other stuff.
assbot: MiniGame (S.MG), November 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vC3g3Z )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82225 @ 0.00035472 = 29.1669 BTC [+]
PinkPosixPXE: ;;later tell mod6 slimmed down and updated :) see comments about modifications, or viewing with a 4char indent. Tested 5 times or so, worked great. Let me konw if you need anything fixed tomorrow! https://gist.github.com/thelinuxgirl/0b5666d0bc889cc04648
assbot: Prune BTC Manifests between sources ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3fjbS )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE you ever seen best in show ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.09119508 = 3.6478 BTC [-] {4}
PinkPosixPXE: huh, no.. any good? watching trailer now
PinkPosixPXE: oh the dog competition hehe
PinkPosixPXE: oh wait..
PinkPosixPXE: these are awesome comedians
PinkPosixPXE: actually, haha, I think I have seen this, wow, I have to watch this again
PinkPosixPXE: perhaps with my friends come over tonight to have treats, cider, and hang out by the fire/watch something, I will throw this on :)
PinkPosixPXE: s/with/when
PinkPosixPXE: Harland Pepper.. naming nuts
PinkPosixPXE: hahaha
PinkPosixPXE: good stuff
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 912 @ 0.00127 = 1.1582 BTC [+]
mod6: ;;later tell PinkPosixPXE check PM
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE your avatar sorta made me think of it.
mircea_popescu: kinda campy dogshow movie.
mircea_popescu: also... priscilla queen of the desert ? :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 985 @ 0.00125055 = 1.2318 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2315 @ 0.00124421 = 2.8803 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 2812 @ 0.00124126 = 3.4904 BTC [-] {12}
mircea_popescu: http://stats.bitcoin-assets.com/ << can i get a TA opinion kthx.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets stats ... ( http://bit.ly/1rHwpfX )
PinkPosixPXE: haha mircea_popescu, yea, me and my little dog
PinkPosixPXE: he's tiny, if i tried to jog him around a track he'd be exhausted 1/4 of the way through
PinkPosixPXE: The stats look great, for a nice straight forward numerical trending display
kakobrekla: can i get a TA opinion kthx. < new year is close.
mircea_popescu: no but with dojis and things
kakobrekla: dojis and things are close.
mircea_popescu: "picle de jengibre"
mircea_popescu: holy fucking shit spanish speakers can't write.
kakobrekla: btw theres a shorhand domain for ba stuff now, http://l.b-a.link , http://s.b-a.link and so on
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ... ( http://bit.ly/1FGGBWQ )
assbot: Search the #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: how much are .link domains ?
kakobrekla: sub 10bux
mircea_popescu: myeah with all the new tlds i expect per domain registration to drop around $1
kakobrekla: nah it wont
kakobrekla: even at 10-20 they pick up a lot of them to squat on
kakobrekla: endless chumpatron
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10346 @ 0.00035981 = 3.7226 BTC [+]
assbot: I finally registered a new TLD. Here is the (long) story. | Domain Name Wire | Domain Name News & Views ... ( http://bit.ly/129sltw )
mircea_popescu: nobody is ever going to give a shit about a domain name enough to pay for it.
mircea_popescu: "Still, with a small $10 registration fee, and the fact that I need fodder for this blog, I decided to venture out and try my luck with .link. Of the 11 I found available, I decided that only six were really worth the gamble."
mircea_popescu: imagine that, evaluating risks 10 bux at a time/
kakobrekla: there wasnt much choice left for "b-a"
PinkPosixPXE: twitter handles are becoming the new domain names to 'camp' on and resell
kakobrekla: b-a.ba taken
PinkPosixPXE: makes me wonder if I should start registering a few
kakobrekla: interestingly, 'bitcoin-assets' non .com tlds got squated a week after i registered .com
kakobrekla: 'bitcoinassets' a bit later.
mircea_popescu: people were doing that on myspace, coupla years or so before it ended
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what if we end up moving off freenode ?
PinkPosixPXE: could condense it to 3 chars each, bit-ass
kakobrekla: what about it? irc.ba also taken.
kakobrekla: bitcoin-otc shorthand domains is b-otc right? so we could go with b-ass which is pronounced 'bias'
mircea_popescu: how about Барак-Хуйсейнович.ba ?
PinkPosixPXE: irc.b-a.link would probably be acceptable, subdomain it. unless you don't want to for some reason.
mircea_popescu: anyway, fuck.link would be a decent dating site domain.
mircea_popescu: "We now accept TopCoin" what the shit is a topcoin
mircea_popescu: ;;google We now accept TopCoin
PinkPosixPXE: yea, could be worth camping even
gribble: Uniregistry Now Accepting Topcoin | DomainInvesting.com: <http://www.domaininvesting.com/uniregistry-now-accepting-topcoin/>; PayPal, TopCoin & New Extensions at Uniregistry! | Domain Name ...: <http://www.abdulbasit.com/domaining/paypal-topcoin-new-extensions-at-uniregistry>; TopCoin - FAQ | Uniregistry: <https://uniregistry.com/topcoin-faq>
kakobrekla: yes topcoin. some fake crypto currency pegged (?) to a dollar at some registrars. they give it away for free.
kakobrekla: to a dollar = to 1 dollar
PinkPosixPXE: another altcoin it seems.. 'top' as in 'top level domain/tld' is my guess ? hrm
kakobrekla got topcoin when he bought b-a.link lel.
mircea_popescu: lmao so what exactly is going on in the brain of the link people ?
kakobrekla: no it doesnt have to do with .link
mircea_popescu: o wait, it's like a coupon program.
kakobrekla: Why Offer Topcoin Instead Of A Rebate Or Coupon Code?
kakobrekla: As More New GTLDs Launch & The Marketplace Gets More Competitive, Registries Increasingly Will Turn To Promotional Discounts And Registrar Rebate Programs To Sell More Domain Names. The Problem With Discounts Is That They Devalue Your String, And The Problem With Rebates Is They Often Are Not Passed On To Registrants.
kakobrekla: why caps every letter, i dunno.
kakobrekla: every first letter
PinkPosixPXE: Serious Business
kakobrekla: anywho i got those from uniregistry registrar
kakobrekla: i like their no bs backend interface
kakobrekla: so i kinda gave them a pass on this topcoin bs
mircea_popescu: !up ahmed_
ahmed_: ty
mircea_popescu: so some french footballer was attacked with a knife by his ex.
mircea_popescu: she carved him a new set of gills, yet guy won't file a complaint.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58815 @ 0.00035779 = 21.0434 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Great Auk Wireless is A RIP OFF - Topix ... ( http://bit.ly/129xZMf )
adlai: and today we learned the origin of his current scam's name!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68086 @ 0.00035435 = 24.1263 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: what about spritz? http://www.spritzinc.com/ anything interesting come of this yet?
adlai is too far from the UI world to do anything on this front, but it's a cool idea
adlai: here we fucking go! http://www.readsy.co/
adlai: last one done's a rotten egg!
kakobrekla: cant skim with this ?
adlai: nope
adlai: it's far from ideal, but I can imagine much better ways of integrating the "spritz" window with a wider view of the text (or an outline)
kakobrekla: few people produce texts worth more than that
kakobrekla is certainly not one of them
adlai: putting it on a ridiculously high WPM is quite similar to skimming
kakobrekla: dont read this.
adlai: this = CSP? it's a little dense book, been needing an excuse to read it for a while...
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 17:39:08; kakobrekla: dont read this.
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 17:41:01; adlai: http://l.b-a.link/?date=30-11-2014#938717 <- don't click this
adlai: damnit assbot
adlai: it's also a little nefarious that they want registration for any speed outside their narrow little free zone
kakobrekla: wait what they want you to pay?
adlai wouldn't pay for any such technology that couldn't cope with figures in the text
kakobrekla: isnt that thing trivial?
adlai: they have free accounts but you need to register
adlai: "If you’re looking to implement our patented technology into your website, application, mobile app, ..."
kakobrekla: so patent squatters ?
adlai: "squatters" may not apply when the troll in question also collected the tinder and set the kindling himself, but they do seem quite set on artificially limiting the values for a single parameter in clientside code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96450 @ 0.00035025 = 33.7816 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla mircea_popescu: i had to rebuild my 0.5.3 chain from scratch, but your(pl.) DB_CONFIG tip freed my vanila 0.5.3 build to unwedge progress to 254471 as of this morning (ping: asciilifeform, mod6)
kakobrekla suspects you do not have to go fron scratch - when i got stuck and added the settings it looked pretty bleak for some time, but after some hours and a restart the thing jumped.
kakobrekla: see stuck + jump
ben_vulpes: mebbe i'm just impatient or on shoddy hardware
ben_vulpes: but i restarted it a few times and waited a few days to no avail
kakobrekla: im doing this on a vps instance with 512 mb ram, cpulimit @ 5% and killing & restarting the thing every 6 or so hours
ben_vulpes makes a face of unknowingness
kakobrekla: well i have a copy of the chan at 200k
kakobrekla: so we can redo experiments
kakobrekla: capped at 5 or so
ben_vulpes: i've got one at 251442 :p
kakobrekla: what is that gap you ask?
ben_vulpes: well that is interesting
ben_vulpes: off the cuff, cpu trying to get a lock at 252450
kakobrekla: ran out of memory before autorestart
kakobrekla: wait one more
ben_vulpes: morning, nubbins`
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 375.25, Best ask: 376.25, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 376.25, 24 hour volume: 3606.92762642, 24 hour low: 373.37, 24 hour high: 381.99, 24 hour vwap: 376.136078914
ben_vulpes: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00035014 / 0.00035569 / 0.00036273 (1240852 shares, 441.36 BTC), 7D: 0.00030027 / 0.00038196 / 0.00046844 (8786401 shares, 3,356.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00030027 / 0.00049581 / 0.00086038 (25973035 shares, 12,877.75 BTC)
nubbins`: had our art sale yest
kakobrekla: that pdf is very close to breaching 'readsy' patent no?
mike_c: kakobrekla, any chance I got de-whitelisted from bitbet? I've been failing every hourly update since..
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
mike_c: 14 hours ago?
kakobrekla: whut?
kakobrekla: no ban that is placed lasts more than 1h
mike_c: right, but if you ban me every hour.
kakobrekla: hm this cant be right lemme see
assbot: Birds Of Newfoundland — PATRICK THOMAS CANNING ... ( http://bit.ly/1yxBwjg )
nubbins`: if anyone's looking for an xmas gift that probably won't get to you by the 25th
kakobrekla: i decided ill equip the bitcoin newbs with trezors for new years gifts
mike_c: ;;seen asciilifeform
gribble: asciilifeform was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: i never understood the 'happy hacking keyboard' and imitators. being as i live and die by function keys, the more the merrier. why voluntarily have fewer?
adlai: so there's also http://readsy.net/ "inspired by Spritz before developers could sign up" but it's a little rough around the edges
adlai wonders whether readsy.co and readsy.net know of eachother
adlai: we're running out of these webby names
nubbins`: i know you guys generally aren't into ephemera
nubbins`: but FYI, i'm negotiating a price with a buyer now for my genesis block newspaper (the times jan 3 2009)
nubbins`: if anyone wanted to extend an offer, now'd be the time
assbot: Ship to ship ... ( http://bit.ly/1y09t8p )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75300 @ 0.00035436 = 26.6833 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: i'm a bit surprised you're not holding onto it for another decade
nubbins`: i don't really want to have to care for it
nubbins`: it's been sitting on a piano bench in the box i received it in for a few months now because there's nowhere for it to go
nubbins`: anyway, if YOU wanna hold onto it for a decade...
ben_vulpes: nuh uh
ben_vulpes: i don't have any truck with atoms any more
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3NZH6SH << CI doing it's thing
assbot: dpaste: 3NZH6SH ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0a75M )
punkman: can you trezor without the web2.0?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes wd!
ben_vulpes: let's be clear tho - that's a failing build, and i've not backported any of the tests yet.
ben_vulpes: i explained to the business partner last night why the full test loop could be as long as two weeks
ben_vulpes: he facepalmed hard
mircea_popescu: nice kakographs
mircea_popescu: <adlai> we're running out of these webby names << yeah, too hard to keepy addy y to namseys
kakobrekla: punkman im quoting here > You can use the python tools to do anything with the Trezor, but there's no user interface for (most of) it currently.
kakobrekla: just ordered 6 of them, will see how this goes.
kakobrekla: !s Ledger Wallet
assbot: 0 results for 'Ledger Wallet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Ledger+Wallet
kakobrekla: !s ledgerwallet
assbot: 0 results for 'ledgerwallet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ledgerwallet
assbot: Ledger Wallet - Smartcard based hardware Bitcoin wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5hcFZ )
kakobrekla: The seed is generated at initialization time on the computer. Isn't that unsecure?
kakobrekla: It is actually the only security weakness of a Ledger Wallet. It is very important to initialize your wallet on a secure computer.
mircea_popescu: "this is actually the only cockroach in this soup".
cazalla: adlai: josh garza's previous scam: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/canaan-vt/THJFBNV4MIFIR075C <<< the guy tells lies faster than anyone on this planet can fact check, not worthwhile pursuing, it's easy to punch holes in his gawminer shit, i'm sure some other scammers will soon come to collect his scammed funds
assbot: Great Auk Wireless is A RIP OFF - Topix ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5hRal )
cazalla: having said that, here is a list of domains tied to him http://dpaste.com/1NGR0AZ
assbot: dpaste: 1NGR0AZ ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5hZ9L )
cazalla: given total lack of news this weekend, not much else to do but dig this morning
kakobrekla: fiat scammers coming to bitcoin ... is getting boring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00035956 = 3.9192 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: not to discourage you from publishing
cazalla: his wife is not so bad https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=El-cl2d6yys and he was nice enough to shop around for a tummy tuck and titty job for her
assbot: Cornerstone Life Group 9 Summary - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0gdDj )
ben_vulpes: tummy tuck?
ben_vulpes: "girl, go run around the block 5 times and skip the cake this christmas."
cazalla: ben_vulpes, ya check it http://www.yelp.com.au/user_details?userid=53xyObUd9EVv3EoTzORuvg he deleted the same review off google plus
assbot: Josh G.'s Reviews | East Longmeadow | Yelp ... ( http://bit.ly/1y0gqX0 )
kakobrekla: i looked at that yt and i dont understand what did i just see
cazalla: kakobrekla, he is/was into the church scam
kakobrekla: eh? everyone knows church is scam no?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: what particular church scam?
cazalla: yes but typical scammer often attends church as to appear pious and incapable of being a scammer because.. jesus
cazalla: ben_vulpes, as in the above, not that he scammed the church itself
kakobrekla: cheaper and fake indulgences?
ben_vulpes: is life group 9 some new kind of jeezo scam?
adlai: everybody needs to get their thetans back in line sometimes
ben_vulpes: "here, hold these electrodes."
ben_vulpes: (compilation in different environments is hell. HELL I SAY. especially this warty cpp.)
ben_vulpes: oh ha ha
ben_vulpes: so funny
ben_vulpes: empty dirs not committed to vcs -> build failure
assbot: dpaste: 14SES2R: initial successful jenkins build of bitcoin, by bvu ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5mwJp )
mod6: great work ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: i just plug the tubes together
ben_vulpes: no big
ben_vulpes: it would be cool if assbot could watch the jenkins rss
mircea_popescu: nothing up here but trees and bears, no jobs, no high speed internet to speak of, can't even get decent cell service up here. Though for the day! Having my own t-3 pipe put in, and then I can offer real high speed internet. This is not the place to live if you are a high end gamer......... << lol real german angry kid up there.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes shit, remember pipes ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;google pipe mania ms dos
gribble: Pipe Mania (MS-DOS) - Gameplay - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpqzX6iW7qk>; Pipe Mania download | BestOldGames.net: <http://www.bestoldgames.net/eng/old-games/pipe-mania.php>; Pipe Mania - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_Mania>
ben_vulpes: lol no not specifically - probably before my time. but i've played derivatives i think
mircea_popescu: it was a great game plagued by the generic name
mircea_popescu: if only they called it "supaplex" or something
ben_vulpes: ;;rated PinkPosixPXE
gribble: You have not yet rated user PinkPosixPXE
ben_vulpes: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE 1 foundation supporter par excellence
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.
kakobrekla: and to think mp almost kicked her out!
ben_vulpes: lolrly?
kakobrekla: yea, i guess sarcasm doesnt always travel well over irc.
kakobrekla: anyway still waiting for you to spit out the format for builds notifications
assbot: US Supreme Court to Hear Oral Arguments in Speech Case | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5rtlx )
jurov: http://btc.yt/ << i have only now remembered i squatted this year ago
jurov: better than "therealbitcoin" at any rate
kakobrekla: git rep link = 404
ben_vulpes: what git repo?
kakobrekla: >Adlai maintains a git repository of merged patches
ben_vulpes: oh adlai's
ben_vulpes: mwell then
adlai: oh I deleted that since it seemed there was no interest in using it
kakobrekla: i think adlai removed it after asciis bitching
ben_vulpes: lol w/e
ben_vulpes: more html for me to derp on
kakobrekla: these lisp guys ... 'nobody submited a patch in 4 and a half minuts...!' and 'only one download first day' is 'project dead dood'
ben_vulpes: who is this?
mircea_popescu: lol noicew one jurov
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes a&a
ben_vulpes: ah lol yeah those guise
ben_vulpes orders foamed wheat and corn product for delivery so that he can stay at the computer
kakobrekla: and the foundations 10btc should be spent on japanese toilets
mircea_popescu: the sort that lick you after ?
kakobrekla: the least
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93774 @ 0.00036277 = 34.0184 BTC [+] {3}
adlai: kakobrekla: well there was some active opposition to using vcs for this project
adlai: considering the reasons behind this opposition, and a bit of research, led me to the conclusion that darcs should be used for this, or no vcs, but probably not git
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50948 @ 0.00035647 = 18.1614 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: fossil would be cool
ben_vulpes: adlai: vcs can be used for collaboration and the cooking up of patches, but the publically distributed stuff's gotta be a vanilla source tree and patches.
ben_vulpes: (i think)
adlai: if there's interest in using a git repo for this, I still have the git repo locally
ben_vulpes: i appreciate it, but don't worry about it.
adlai: although it has the patches in the wrong order so to do it properly would require starting from scratch anyways
adlai throws the first version away, anyways.
adlai: is there some name for that last candle?
kakobrekla: you mean the gap?
adlai: opening below the last low, not even making it up
adlai: yes
kakobrekla: idk i call it a gap :)
kakobrekla: the consequence of market closing over weekend
adlai: having been led into the wonderful world of finance from bitcoin, it's funny to see markets that don't trade 24/7
adlai: closing over the weekend is one thing... closing EVERY NIGHT!? crazy
adlai: what am I supposed to do if I wake up in a cold sweat at 3am and want to get rid of all my TSLA?
kakobrekla: so archaic
adlai: speaking of markets that close over the weekend, what's the status on that less-painful API for bit4x?
mike_c: the swiss scammed gold?
mike_c: pump and dump
kakobrekla: !up tandacoin
tandacoin: hello I would like to write for qntra
kakobrekla: o hey
tandacoin: how do i sign up
tandacoin: i have read logs of bitcoin assets but i'm not sure how to get word of trust
kakobrekla: ping cazalla BingoBoingo
kakobrekla: talk to one of those two people or mircea of he shows up
cazalla: tandacoin, stick around, i need to finish current article and then head off to a pokemon meetup, speak to BingoBoingo if you cannot wait (if he is around)
tandacoin: cazalla: ok ill wait than you
kakobrekla: pokemon meetup?
ben_vulpes: pokemon meetup?
assbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XBpx )
tandacoin: I am the writer for altcoinpress.com
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9XIRU )
tandacoin: Ok I will work on that
tandacoin: How much did coinroll pay to advertise on qntra
tandacoin: that will be paid as dividends?
kakobrekla: !s qntra coinroll
assbot: 0 results for 'qntra coinroll' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=qntra+coinroll
kakobrekla: anyway get nickserv + cloak set first
tandacoin: can i write in greek
tandacoin: or english only
tandacoin: my english isnt good
kakobrekla: for qntra related questions wait for some q people
cazalla: tandacoin, that'll be included in november's report
cazalla: kakobrekla, ben_vulpes, nintendo are holding some pokemon event today, so i gotta go get the eon ticket or i won't be able to catch 'em all
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cazalla: tandacoin, we don't focus on alt/scam coins btw
cazalla: unless it is relevant to bitcoin itself, example being group abc scam a bunch of btc to start their own scam coin
tandacoin: not all altcoins are scam coins
tandacoin: counterparty for example is a good coin
assbot: ciphergoth.org: Problems with Bruce Schneier's "Solitaire" ... ( http://bit.ly/1y9Yv5a )
tandacoin: also gaw miners isnt a scam
tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours
cazalla: "i've used them for ages, i've made a profit".. famous last words
cazalla: tandacoin, clearly you are too stupid to write for qntra but thanks anyway
kakobrekla: well that went well :)
tandacoin: too stupid ? thnx
kakobrekla: tandacoin read up on gaw
tandacoin: we get 4k pageviews a day how muh do you get?
kakobrekla: !s gaw
assbot: 19 results for 'gaw' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gaw
tandacoin: much*
jurov: ben_vulpes: yes. i'll look why it did not associate patch with signature
ben_vulpes: no rush
tandacoin: you guys have no idea how to do business or journalism, im not going to waste my time with u
ben_vulpes: tandacoin: what do you get 4kv/d on?
ben_vulpes: ;;google tandacoin
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cazalla: tandacoin, well maybe read logs/blogs and you can learn a little
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cazalla: tandacoin, you run that site with microguy, the goldcoin scammer?
mats_cd03: cazalla is a little heavy handed with the criticism
kakobrekla: no time for being soft, time for pokemon!
mats_cd03: works better to educate, then drop the bombs after it fails
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> "this is actually the only cockroach in this soup". <<< lel
nubbins`: "press any button you want except for the one that breaks it"
cazalla: mats_cd03, not reary, the guy was only trying to get an article up on qntra to pump his own site in all likelihood
adlai: "our planes may be old, but they're also uncomfortable"
nubbins`: "which button is that?" "it varies"
mats_cd03: too quick to burn bridges is all i'm saying
adlai: depends what's on the other side, or worse yet, partway across
mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively
mats_cd03: i feel this encourages an echo chamber as it continues
adlai: I'd agree in general that bridges burn fast in assettown, although in this case, let's just reread http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-11-2014#938962
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2014 23:54:29; tandacoin: ive used them for ages and hashstaker is going to make so much money it sold out in hours
mats_cd03: you'll never get a writer that reads chinese and wants to write for qntra at this rate :p
mats_cd03: das all i got. carry on.
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2014 00:21:33; mats_cd03: the number of newcomers that have become regulars has dwindled massively
kakobrekla: the general discussion here also changed a lot over last years
kakobrekla: but i dunno, who joined in last few months that is not worth keeping?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56350 @ 0.00034869 = 19.6487 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: PinkPosixPXE's downright neat
ben_vulpes: i like undata
ben_vulpes: adlai...writes lisp
kakobrekla: yeah fuck him
ben_vulpes: hahaha
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mod6: !b 3
kakobrekla: o hi, chan was worried.
asciilifeform: >> the foundations 10btc should be spent on japanese toilets <<
asciilifeform seconds this motion ^
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu withdrawals pls
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asciilifeform: dbus in kernel << mega-lol! afaik the (by now universally-known) 'dbus' exploit is still a reliable 'local root escalation' on any and all boxes where the abomination is installed
asciilifeform: the undoing of C.. due to its memory unsafety they must decide to either bloat the kernel or suffer the overhead << entirely spurious argument advanced by the poettering folks. 'dbus' is not (to date) used for any application where the context switch overhead would approach detectability, much less really mattering
asciilifeform: (what's 'dbus' ? a somewhat clunky message-passing mechanism. for... folks who don't like unix domain sockets? idk)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: frost mage, at your fingertips. all you need is a compressor << notably, as depicted in the liquid helium scene in 'stand on zanzibar'
asciilifeform: (luddite girl gets doused with liquid he hose by programmer in self-defense)
asciilifeform: 'oath keepers' << if it isn't a honeypot, it (from usg's perspective) ought to be.
asciilifeform: can't think of a more perfect list of folks for the politruks to shoot come day X.
asciilifeform: the folks who signed up voluntarily - are, to use the inescapable usaism, 'not the brightest light bulbs at Home Depot' (hardware shop)
asciilifeform: lead crystal << simply a less-leaded version of the (formerly) ubiquitous glass from which crt is made.
asciilifeform: in the latter case, enough lead that it appears nearly black in the aggregate.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, whoever else: after some hours and a restart the thing jumped << if it needs hand-holding for normal operation (including blockchain sync) it isn't a usable gizmo.
thestringpuller: at least we're closer
asciilifeform: really.
thestringpuller: last time I tried to sync blockchain, the thing just blew up
asciilifeform: it still blows up
asciilifeform: just more softly
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm glad you're here to hold our feet to the fire.
asciilifeform: this is a tremendously annoying mental glitch that i see just about everywhere - from '3d printer' enthusiasts to man-in-space aficionados. it being, the notion that solving myriad 'small, solvable' problems somehow brings us closer to solving the 'big ones' for which we have no angle of approach
asciilifeform: i also like to call it 'chair-stacking space program'
ben_vulpes: i am familiar with this metaphor of yours.
asciilifeform: the devilish thing is, solving the small turdlets is pleasurable
asciilifeform: one can paint the ww2 tank dredged up from the swamp all kinds of nice colours
asciilifeform: but it will not run again from the paint.
asciilifeform: but it sure is fun.
ben_vulpes: overhauling the engine consists of a myriad of turdlets.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: actually i stole the chair metaphor (from - forget whom? ted nelson?)
ben_vulpes: boring cylinders, flushing tubes, checking elasticity of remaining o-rings...
asciilifeform: yes, but opening up the hood and taking the engine apart is a very different order of task than paint.
ben_vulpes: if the barbarian opens the hood and immediately disassembles the engine, what can we expect to happen?
ben_vulpes: similarly, there must be a garage, white sheet on the ground, binder for part numbering and notes.
ben_vulpes: this is not cargo cult deconstruction - this is taking the time to do a thing correctly.
asciilifeform: not really arguing with the let's have garage thing
asciilifeform: but hoping that no one confuses the garage with the mechanic
asciilifeform: who is, thus far, absent.
ben_vulpes rolls eyes
ben_vulpes goes back to building the engine hoist
asciilifeform: so far, not one of us is 'mechanic'
asciilifeform: just painters.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: use the python tools to do anything with the Trezor << one of these days, someone should explain to me why a gadget like 'trezor' is necessary
asciilifeform: that is, a dedicated box for signing tx is useful, but why does it need to store keys?
asciilifeform: why not simply a keyboard jack.
asciilifeform: (all the scorn for brainwallets - i say - is enemy disinfo. storing private key in brain is ultimately inescapable, whatever other forms of storage are in use. hard disk? key is - where it is kept, plus decryption keys.)
asciilifeform: if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective
asciilifeform: 'must be this tall to ride.'
asciilifeform: so far bitcoin is the only coin that can live -entirely- in a brain, and failure to use this property is a kind of fundamental waste.
kakobrekla: one step at a time, those will be going to people who run winblows and possibly a webwallet
asciilifeform: (the ultimate logical conclusion of this idea would be the hypothetical thing that is so far the only serious improvement on 'bitcoin fundamentals' i've been able to come up with. that is, 'rectothermcoin')
asciilifeform: or, let's keep it short, rectocoin
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: no you don't understand unless it's a perfect solution it's entirely worthless
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes i kno :(
asciilifeform: where there are 'duress signatures' that are not mathematically distinguishable from genuine spends until broadcast and diffused through network
asciilifeform: and destroy the coin.
kakobrekla: we just dont understand how the world works
kakobrekla: now mp can retire.
kakobrekla: again.
ben_vulpes: again.
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asciilifeform: with rectocoin, you won't need to take the cyanide. but you'll probably wish you had.
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> if you are pwned while using 'brainwallets', simply shows that your brain is defective < no need to test this hypothesis the result is known
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i do recall.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: and i still stand by the statement.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: those will be going to people who run winblows and possibly a webwallet << if these are dear friends, think again before helping to culture a dangerous sense of false security.
kakobrekla: i will not tell them "this is 100% secure"
asciilifeform: (published pcb prints of that product show a microcontroller reprogrammable in-band - that is, via usb.)
kakobrekla: just "its better than bc webwallet"
asciilifeform: i'm not convinced that it is.
asciilifeform: better than webwallet.
punkman: asciilifeform: you got their website and download signed firmware, which is then pushed to device by way of browser plugin
asciilifeform: well, perhaps beats 'your key is safe with cloudhitler' webatron, but not civilian bitcoind
asciilifeform: browser plugin !?!?!
asciilifeform: serious?
punkman: all kinds of madness in there
kakobrekla admits it hasnt gone beyond asking jurov if its simple enough for my mom
kakobrekla: it ? he.
kakobrekla: unless i already melted into the box here
kakobrekla checks
assbot: Updating your TREZOR’s firmware — TREZOR User Manual 1.0 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1y5QFbx )
asciilifeform: so not a joke.
asciilifeform: or rather - it is a joke. but on the chumps.
kakobrekla: well ill attach a note, never upgrade.
punkman: they did ship buggy firmware before
ben_vulpes: presumably the upgrade can be forced upon one by nef4ri0s micr0
asciilifeform: that just means luser won't upgrade on his own free will.
ben_vulpes: nevarious*
ben_vulpes: humbug
asciilifeform: the beautifully dark cream-your-pants future of 'shall be delivered' is not attainable until folks learn to remember serious keys (yes, remember. with head.)
asciilifeform: if these are not available, we shall be needing a new 'homo cryptographicus' who can
asciilifeform: just like the folks who can't do written language - fell by the wayside
kakobrekla: myea its worse than it thought this. a well, lucky for them btc has no chargeback!
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: helluva dicelist
asciilifeform: apologies to w. blake, but 'some are born to sweet delight,' and some are born to biodiesel pot.
asciilifeform: a dicelist is a list of folks who are to be diced.
kakobrekla: still i kinda think its a tad better than plain webwallet
asciilifeform: !s killfile killed
assbot: 0 results for 'killfile killed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=killfile+killed
punkman: https://github.com/trezor too much fukken code
assbot: Bitcoin TREZOR · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1tCeqBF )
kakobrekla: which are the first ones to go
asciilifeform: !s kill file killed
assbot: 5 results for 'kill file killed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=kill+file+killed
asciilifeform: punkman: i am still not able to find a copy of the actual code actually running on the physical device.
assbot: trezor/trezor-mcu · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1tCeEcf )
asciilifeform: punkman: ty
asciilifeform doesn't need this for anything, but wondered if exists
kakobrekla: is there some physical button to enable upgrade ?
punkman: allegedly
kakobrekla: jurov did you upgrade yours?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: not in the pcb shots i saw. last time i gave a damn.
punkman: I don't get their whole recovery seed, pin codes, password mess
punkman: http://www.hardbit.cn/ this doesn't have USB, talks with QR codes only
asciilifeform: punkman: and where are the circuit and firmware source for this one ?
kakobrekla: with scamdroid insides?
asciilifeform: lol apparently
punkman: asciilifeform: doubt they will open source it
asciilifeform: the reason i even bothered to respond to the trezor thing is to share the hypothesis that all of the available products are dumb because the problem they are 'solving' - is dumb.
asciilifeform: this is an iron law
asciilifeform: stupid problem, stupid 'solutions'
asciilifeform: i'll repeat - dedicated gizmo wherein to crunch the bignums - useful. store keys - no thanks.
kakobrekla: well you must store to compute
asciilifeform: for a second or two.
kakobrekla: well you can enter your own private key in trezor and null it after done
kakobrekla: in theory.
asciilifeform: ideally would be sram-based, with heated srams for good measure
asciilifeform: with no flashable components of any kind whatsoever therein.
asciilifeform: only output - public key of addrs, and (human-readable) signed tx-es.
kakobrekla: hm what happend to that guy that was last here arguing about random from ram and temp n shit
asciilifeform: no rng needed for this.
kakobrekla: yes but i cant recall what were they doing
asciilifeform: possibly for nonce, you need.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: they were (or claimed to be) distilling bit flip errors from sram at room temperature
asciilifeform: you can do this now, find an old programmable calculator.
kakobrekla: !s bit flip sram
assbot: 1 results for 'bit flip sram' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bit+flip+sram
asciilifeform: not a well-behaved rng by any metric whatsoever.
kakobrekla: there it is
asciilifeform: i bring up sram as concession to the fact that the hypothetical calculator discussed earlier needs a small working memory
asciilifeform: what to make it from - is up to the maker. delay-line spool, if you like.
kakobrekla: aha seems they are selling the product.
assbot: BitKey - Secure Bitcoin Live USB key for offline transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1tChi1A )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this appears to be a 'linux live cd' of a kind.
asciilifeform: why interesting?
ben_vulpes: fuel for the fire
asciilifeform: 'Electrum Bitcoin client, incognito chromium, bitaddress, qrcode, zxcvbn. File manager, network and wireless manager. Auto-mounting USB storage support.' << mega-lol
asciilifeform: the 'do-ocracy' does what it does best: does.
kakobrekla: wait whut, they diss usb but support wifi ?
asciilifeform: and usb.
adlai: why does chromium need to be incognito if it's an offline thingy
asciilifeform: offline lol
asciilifeform: it's a generic usb drive.
asciilifeform: packaging their turdware in this form gives it a 'hardware' perfume.
adlai: "Secure Bitcoin Live USB key for offline transactions" (I didn't click the link, just reacting to the title)
asciilifeform: this is not an uncommon tactic among the lowest of the lowliest sc4mz0rz
adlai: you must really love mycelium entropy
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asciilifeform: ^ the sram thing
kakobrekla: adlai there are pages of bashing of that thing in logs
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assbot: Proof That Mycelium Knows How To Make A Better RNG For Its Entropy Dongle. And Isn't. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1y61MkH )
asciilifeform: (not sure why he turned that thread into an article, but there it is)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9646 @ 0.0003455 = 3.3327 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: for adlai ?
adlai found it already from search.b-a, reading
kakobrekla: fuck that search, it finds too many things!
adlai: ddos it
kakobrekla: trice.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, other users of 'opera' - which one do you use? the 1990s close-source turd? or the 'new, impr0v3d' idiocy that uses 'webkit' (chrome) rendering engine ?
asciilifeform: *closed
asciilifeform: re: dbus (part ii)
kakobrekla: 'presto' sucks.
asciilifeform: the poettering strategy is not an enigma of any kind.
asciilifeform: they want universal dependence (yes)
asciilifeform: not enough to bake their crap into mainstream linux distos. needs to be in mainstream kernel.
asciilifeform: so the chaps 'building their own' distro are likewise stuck with it.
adlai: maybe my priorities are misplaced, but one huge problem I saw with the whole entropy thingy is... the printer
kakobrekla: well you get a new one without the wifi and when done printing blend it with Blendtec and throw dust in magma
kakobrekla: in 3 different vulcanos, just in case.
asciilifeform: whichever one of you said 'linux is a corpse, and systemd is a fungus growing on it' was correct.
asciilifeform: a living thing - would not tolerate this.
adlai: well, just to go off on a while tear here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho2d1HxtXfk
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have not actually pressed any F key in... uh. months ? << 'midnight commander' naturally. and i have f1-f12 mapped to useful things in 'emacs' as well. unlike (apparently) many emacs users, i don't treat my hands as an object of religious sacrifice.
adlai: amazingly, it looks as though these dongles are NOT encrypting the keys before sending them to the printer, so my fears aren't totally crazy
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asciilifeform: my ctrl key is where the gods intended it to be (to the left of 'a') likewise.
asciilifeform: also helps to have f-keys in 'godly' position (to the left of 'ctrl' rather than on top of kbd)
adlai: what about ()
adlai has () instead of <>, in dvorak, aka qwerty's WE
asciilifeform experimented with dvorak a few times over the years, found that he doesn't enter enough human language text to make the effort worthwhile
asciilifeform: it also doesn't help that most non-'model m' keyboards are not readily (visually) dvorakizable
asciilifeform: (why? the caps on the alphabetic rows are not identically shaped)
adlai: oh you'd actually rearrange the keys?
adlai learned dvorak on a rollup keyboard that couldn't be rearranged
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adlai: the macbook pro I used at my last office job still boots into dvorak and has to manually be switched to qwerty, last I checked
BingoBoingo: !up Grumpy_01
BingoBoingo: Hello Grumpy_01
decimation: re: Opera << i use the webkit based one, probably offers little protection against firefox based attacks
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah I said systemd was a fungus. I agree, I don't see how this kind of thing is tolerable. Politically, I think Linus is up against a wall to some degree, because he knows redhat, inc pays for most of the kernel 'zeks'
cazalla: if you have full blown autism, nintendo run the best events, you don't have say shit or look at anyone to collect the promo items they give away
decimation: nintendo has pretty much gone downhill since the 'NES'
decimation: cazalla: did you go to "electronica"?
cazalla: decimation, what's that? a clear no btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18150 @ 0.00034456 = 6.2538 BTC [-]
decimation: http://www.electronica.de/ << the 'world's biggest' electronics trade fair. probably not consumer or games focused though
assbot: electronica - Electronics trade fair for components, systems and applications ... ( http://bit.ly/1zH4U52 )
cazalla: decimation, why would you ask me if i went there? i don't get it
decimation: well, I guess I assumed you went to some kind of trade show with nintendo present.
cazalla: mats_cd03: too quick to burn bridges is all i'm saying <<< i gave him the opportunity but then he started with the gaw miners, altcoins are legit cause he made money with it
cazalla: dunno why they even had reps there, gameboy picks up the items automatically over wireless, they could've just left their gameboy on the counter and had customers walk up to it, do a 360 and then walk out the shops
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cazalla: gameboy app tells me there were 9 people there but i only saw the reps so like i said, it's an autists dream come true
ben_vulpes: is the dosser of the uncloaked still around?
kakobrekla: i can try the waters
ben_vulpes: if you're bored :P
kakobrekla: he is.
decimation: apparently our friend's promise to 'move on' was not to be taken seriously
ben_vulpes: promises by someone out of the wot are to be taken seriously? :P
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust assbot slush
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kakobrekla: one of the two co-authors of trezor
kakobrekla: apparently thing doesnt jump anymore but spreads bw
decimation: what do you mean kakobrekla?
kakobrekla: as far as i gathered it was ddosing one at a time before ratpoison - it jumped to the last one joining. now it just adds to stack.
kakobrekla: these are my findings from very short time of fiddling with the thing so i may be off.
kakobrekla: cause you didnt write it?
kakobrekla: idk, wild speculation here
adlai types too fast to have written that bet
ben_vulpes: > written about in regards to
ben_vulpes: salud RagnarsBitch
kakobrekla: Shabnam Ansar i don't understand a lot of stuff you say, nevertheless i read them all... you are just so amazing n my role model
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decimation: amusing: http://aworkinglibrary.com/writing/the-conformity-of-lawns/index.html << " As William Levitt himself promised his government patrons, “No man who owns his own house and lot can be a Communist. He has too much to do.” He meant this quite literally." << the nature of modern us 'home ownership'
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pete_dushenski: cazalla aus has 10% gst?!
cazalla: pete_dushenski, ya didn't know this?
cazalla: there is talk of raising it due to budget shortfalls despite the government that brough it in promising the legislation would never allow for such a thing to occur
pete_dushenski: is there also province/state tax on top?
pete_dushenski: a yes, typical "cross my heart" shit
pete_dushenski: have to balance bookz!
cazalla: yeah, stamp tax, land tax, fuck you for even being born tax type shit
pete_dushenski: i was reading up on the russian tax code this weekend and it's completely fucking reasonable.
pete_dushenski: for a european country
decimation: cazalla: do you have to pay income tax too?
cazalla: and then your local council strong arms you on top of all that as well
pete_dushenski: decimation show me a country with no income tax that's not in affrica
cazalla: ^^^
decimation: that's hardcore, what are the marginal rates?
pete_dushenski: i now know a few off the top of my head
decimation: some us states charge upwards of 10% 'sales tax'
cazalla: decimation, for individual, see https://www.ato.gov.au/rates/individual-income-tax-rates/ for companies like google, 0
assbot: Individual income tax rates | Australian Taxation Office ... ( http://bit.ly/1FH732G )
pete_dushenski: germany's top bracket: 45%
pete_dushenski: us': 40%
decimation: well, those are high income brackets though
pete_dushenski: canada's is 55% (in quebec)
pete_dushenski: russia, get this, 13%
cazalla: defence and welfare are the two biggest costs
decimation: wow 37% over $A 80k?
decimation: that's hardcore
pete_dushenski: russia has other taxes, like vat of 18% and a special welfare tax of 25% on first $14k earned
decimation: pete_dushenski: that's really cheap
decimation: so anyone who isn't 'living on welfare' in australia is a government employee
decimation: I'm okay with a high VAT/GST/sales tax if it comes with no income tax
cazalla: decimation, something like 1 in 5 aussies gets some type of welfare, you can get disability for a sore foot if you are determined
pete_dushenski: that's pretty much what russia has
decimation: cazalla: I assume they all have gov't paid pensions too right
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pete_dushenski: rusofiles please to feedback ^
pete_dushenski: keep in mind i'm but a lowly observer... from the clouds
pete_dushenski: basically goes over the many ways putin has figured out capitalism better than almost anyone else.
pete_dushenski: and how to align himself with a religion, and how to politik, and how to generally run a nation state (at least one full of russians)
cazalla: decimation, of course, meanwhile they upped the pension age to 70 from the year 2035, of course, no money for pensions will be available to pay such a thing by then
decimation: well to be fair, putin can live off of massive mineral wealth to some degree
decimation: of course with the price of oil tanking...
pete_dushenski: so the ruble slides with it
decimation: cazalla: that's worse than the us
pete_dushenski: but he's still king of the roost. low debt, plenty of other coal and gas to offset oil, gold
pete_dushenski: decimation but he's definitely in a fortunate position to start with
decimation: actually I was thinking while gasing up my car today... if you add up the fact that usg is funded to a big degree by printed dollars, and that now opec has decided to flood the market with oil to kill off drilling in north america, you realize that you have 'oil printing' vs. 'dollar printing'
pete_dushenski: last one to the bottom loses!
decimation: well, it's hard not to be 'fortunate' when you own like 11% of the world's land
pete_dushenski: canada is in a similar position in the sense of resource wealth
decimation: if he just manages to keep territory, he wins
pete_dushenski: and canada has far more debt, more tax, but more "services"
pete_dushenski: well, canada doesn't have vat, just 5% gst
pete_dushenski: that's it
decimation: well, russia is beating back canada's claims to the arctic, and seemingly doing a good job at it
pete_dushenski: canada can only claim a la obama: with words
pete_dushenski: no powah
decimation: heh yeah. I think they give guns to some of the eskimos too
pete_dushenski: the northwest passage is russia's or china's for the taking
pete_dushenski: lol ya, guns for hunting moose and rabbits
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decimation: lol they have lee-enfields
pete_dushenski: what a moustache!
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pete_dushenski: speaking of nz, has anyone witnessed the haka live?
decimation: don't get me wrong, lee-enfields are fine guns, but canada has the skills and money to invest in a more modern arctic gun, and apparently they can't afford it or don't want to
pete_dushenski: not "anyone" rather "anyone here"
decimation: I've seen something that is supposed to be like it when I was in hawaii
pete_dushenski: canada doesn't fund it's military excessively
pete_dushenski: like at a luau?
decimation: they had 'dances from around greater polynesia'
pete_dushenski: heh pretty neat eh?
decimation: yeah the most unusual part is the tongue-work
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pete_dushenski: even the rugbiers get that tongue in there
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