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ben_vulpes: well yeah that's why it's part of the offer on the space
ben_vulpes: cazalla: do you tan your rabbit hides?
ben_vulpes: moreover is tanning even the thing to do with hairy hides?
ben_vulpes is out of his depth...again.
cazalla: ben_vulpes, nope, i should learn but i just compost what's left
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i'm casually observing lady v browse etsy et al for moar home furnishings (just set her up with the budget for a kilim rug), saw rabbit fur flash across the screen, thought of your habits.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: monitor << 1920 x 1200, yuck
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and most of the cheap offerings have subpar view angles vertically
asciilifeform: (i have not tried this one, but recently spat on a similar one - 'asus' ?)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why is 1200x1920 so abhorrent?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm finding 1440 a tight horizontal fit at the moment
ben_vulpes: a hilarious thing about my monitor selections
ben_vulpes: i can't use very tall monitors, as i bought these glasses in high school and they have an extremely narrow field of vision.
asciilifeform: lol ben_vulpes using the same spectacle frames for a decade, just like me
asciilifeform: i've already had to buff them, will soon need to electroplate
asciilifeform: as all the Cr has long ago come off
ben_vulpes: i can't use contacts while programming as my prescription is way out in the tail of the distribution, where the spacing between contact fabrication points squarely frames my actual needs.
ben_vulpes: plus, astigmatism.
ben_vulpes: so - i use the 1920x1200's in horizontal orientation, slapping 3 buffers sideways.
asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of 'let's now screw this bit of plastic into eye'
asciilifeform did try it just to say 'yes tried it'
ben_vulpes: oh let's see
ben_vulpes: full field of vision
ben_vulpes: eyes move, not head
ben_vulpes: (particularly important when the astigmatism severely degrades views through anywhere but the lens center)
asciilifeform sorta remembers, from childhood, that this is possible
asciilifeform: but only in deep theory
ben_vulpes: i miss this terribly.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time my contacts were made to order.
ben_vulpes: this, afaik, is not available anymore.
ben_vulpes: it was a glorious time at the intersection of the autorefractor and the custom plastics.
ben_vulpes: lead time was nearly a month back then.
ben_vulpes: these days: auto-refractor - you betcha. lead times - in stock. odd prescription in the tail of things? get fucked.
ben_vulpes: i believe that you have a term for this degradation of the industrial toolchain, asciilifeform, but it escapes me at the moment.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if i did - forgot.
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cazalla: zomg, anyone heard of a mobility golf cart? gawminers community raised funds to some random.. "Within one month, they had raised over $3000, enabling Doc to purchase a golf cart urgently needed for mobility, enabling him to live alone but independently in Crystal River, FL. He also received enough mining equipment and hashing power to keep a steady stream of income flowing for the rest of his life."
cazalla: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: why is 1200x1920 so abhorrent? <<< what about refresh rate asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: cazalla: not much of a factor on lcd, no ?
cazalla: huge factor, it's easy to tell diff between 60hz-80hz and 120-144hz
cazalla: well, at least for gaming but even for desktop use i get a headache from anything less than 120hz
asciilifeform: and, afaik, >60Hz is only achieved on 6-bit colour channels
asciilifeform: that is, turd
asciilifeform: i can see the dither flicker. on all of them.
cazalla: where am i gonna get a widescreen crt though, one suitable for gaming
asciilifeform: imho we have a case of poor toilet-kitchen separation here.
cazalla: you should see my logitech kb :P
cazalla: if viewing angle is a concern, i can see how they are utter shit but if not, suitable for gaming/desktop use, i like my 120hz led
asciilifeform: i can see the 7-8th 'virtual' bits of colour DAC resolution flicker.
asciilifeform: with naked eye.
asciilifeform: it is monstrous.
asciilifeform: to my eyes, using these '120hz' lcd is like using a crt at 60hz
asciilifeform: physical pain.
cazalla: <asciilifeform> i can see the 7-8th 'virtual' bits of colour DAC resolution flicker. <<< see, i don't even know what this really is, so not a concern for such a person :)
asciilifeform: yeah, more or less nobody i know can. other than my brother - fellow mutant.
cazalla: crt@60hz would be quite painful
cazalla: my eyes are fucked anyway, can't see 3d etc on account of lazy eye
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of a 120hz display if not for 3d shutter goggles.
asciilifeform once had to wear these for work, does not miss it
cazalla: as a kid, no-one picked up that i had a lazy eye, so for many years i didn't even understand why i couldn't see what all these other kids could see with those stereogram books
cazalla: asciilifeform, seems to reduce motion blur, less flicking, tearing when gaming
asciilifeform: where'll i see motion blur, in 'emacs', lol
asciilifeform: so long as cursors do not leave 'snail trails' - satisfied.
asciilifeform: mats_cd03, mircea_popescu: regin trojan << mega-lol. run moar winblows, yes.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3x what a house apparently costs in ohio << dirty math here. house in ohio costs 100% of a typical ohio inmate's disposable income. just like in ca or dc.
asciilifeform: it only appears cheap to folks who are not inmates.
asciilifeform recalls experiment where, when leaving ro in april, paid cabbie in airport with a benjie instead of exact change in local bills. he made an odd face.
asciilifeform was not able to determine if face meant 'thanks' or 'you moron'. experiment wasted.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you could make a deal where you prepaid consumption at fixed rate. so i did << and then how many tons of aluminum did you refine? or wasted!
xanthyos: has anyone used openkeychain for android?
xanthyos: i just got a tablet and i want to find a reliable authing app
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> ben_vulpes, nope, i should learn but i just compost what's left << holy shgit man srsly ?
mircea_popescu: the skin is worth more than half the rabbit ffs.
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform never grasped the appeal of 'let's now screw this bit of plastic into eye' << cause women don't look good in glasses.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> once upon a time my contacts were made to order. << should have bought 500 pairs.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> and then how many tons of aluminum did you refine? or wasted! << lol i was only using about 1mw +-
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cazalla: if you would like to ask andreas derp a question tonight - https://www.sli.do/event/1zzatakl#ask
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cazalla: i can smell his stench from 30 minutes away
mircea_popescu: lol they have a special revolutionary web2.0 site for slides ?
cazalla: actually, his talk is tmw, some other idiots shilling altcoins tonight instead but even still..
xanthyos: so you smelled him from even further in the future
xanthyos: tachyonic odor
cazalla: xanthyos, he's there tonight, just his talk is tmw or some shit, i dunno, i take offense at him being here in my home town :P
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mircea_popescu: the shit i find digging...
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cazalla: interesting, new zealanders are like australia's version of mexicans - Fewer New Zealanders are leaving for Australia and more Kiwis are returning home. Statistics that have just been released show New Zealand's annual net migration gain rising to a record for the third consecutive month, led by an increase in student arrivals from India and fewer Kiwis crossing the Tasman.
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mircea_popescu: "The craigslist account at one of our registrars was compromised" << aka, social engineering.
mircea_popescu: still the #1 threat.
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nubbins`: <+cazalla> zomg, anyone heard of a mobility golf cart? <<< cazalla iirc these are a thing in florida retirement communities
nubbins`: my friend's folks go down there for a few months every year, apparently it's common to use the golf cart to go to the store, etc
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BingoBoingo: !up MoltyMcMolt
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mats_cd03: asciilifeform: available for PM?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9654 @ 0.00043409 = 4.1907 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: sure
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: have to go to meatspace thing soon though
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 331440 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 1199 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 23 hours, 50 minutes, and 24 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39643278154.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.62966
asciilifeform: ^ all from misconfigured consumer routers, it appears.
asciilifeform: (and before anyone asks, no, that isn't an actual 'actiontek' - spoofed mac for isp that originally shipped one)
jurov: btw asciilifeform can you ask your hosting about the emails? i sent polite inquiry to support@nearlyfreespeech.net
jurov: but it got blackholed too apparently
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kakobrekla: insane^2
asciilifeform: jurov: flood was on home pipe, not at my www hoster
TomServo: Boy, the pheeva hipster mascot does a great job capturing my lack of interest in their product.
jurov: asciilifeform i just remembered to ask. but i'll try more emails and see
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BingoBoingo: According to the radio the grand Jury finally came to a decision in the Ferguson case. Won't way what it is yet, but a good chunk of St Louis County went into lockdown.
thestringpuller: That's kinda messed up.
thestringpuller: It reminds me of Kent State.
BingoBoingo: What the verdict is supposedly is coming later today, but...
undata: BingoBoingo: I'm going to hazard a guess
chetty: the 60s never went away, just took a trip
undata: ... cops can kill with impunity
BingoBoingo: You know its serious because they are locking the mailboxes
chetty: undata, true, but this particular case doesn't seem to be an example of that problem
undata: chetty: elaborate, because I'm certain I disagree
asciilifeform: the state, by definition, 'kills with impunity'
asciilifeform: 'cops shouldn't kill with impunity', parsed through intellectual honesty filter, simply implies 'a different set of bandits should be able to kill with impunity, including possibly killing original set'
chetty: well the info 'leaked' so far sure sounds like self defense. But face it, none of us know what happened really. The kid that got shot cause he answered the door with a game controller in his hand would seem a lot better example, to me.
undata: asciilifeform: so you do not believe there should be law?
undata: your broad generalization glosses over quite a bit
undata: chetty: the video I saw was a guy yelling at a cop
asciilifeform: undata: notice that i did not specify what i personally like (who the hell cares) - but did make a claim re: mechanics.
asciilifeform: undata: pick a square metre of planet, and you can come up with one or more parties that 'can kill with impunity' there.
asciilifeform: undata: the one that can clobber the others (should there be any) 'with impunity' is called 'sovereign'.
chetty: undata, so many cop shootings out there, prolly a video of most anything available somewhere, which in fact makes the point.
undata: asciilifeform: no one can get away with *anything*, not even a sovereign ruler
undata: their heads tend to roll after a certain threshold
thestringpuller: instead of police we should just go back to having voluntary militias
chetty: well that threshold keeps expanding
undata: thestringpuller: I said that, was accused of derpitude
asciilifeform: undata: for 'everyday engineering' definition of 'get away' - sure. who, exactly, lives in usa that usg cannot kill 'with impunity' ?
chetty: or even outside of it asciilifeform , no residence required
undata: asciilifeform: governments eventually change
undata: it just takes a hell of a lot of peasant-grinding
asciilifeform: undata: sure - change. this does not disprove above scheme.
chetty: there is only now
undata: asciilifeform: anyone can be killed
thestringpuller: makes the fiction of stealing a nuke and making your own country a lot more rational
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: would you happen to know where i can find warez of "What makes it page?"
undata: archdukes and kings and unknown bums
asciilifeform: undata: to repurpose an old proverb: 'beware of turing's tarpit, where anything is possible but nothing of interest is easy.'
undata: asciilifeform: conversely if one thinks with too broad a brush, all possible conditions look the same
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: sadly not
mats_cd03: too bad. i've got the paper version, but pulp doesn't have the "find" feature yet.
asciilifeform: notice that nuke does not prevent owner from being killed, but increases the cost. and there are other ways to affect the cost.
undata: seems to me spaceflight is going to be required for any innovative approaches to "making a society" to emerge
undata: as we are out of hospitable continents
undata: maybe undersea
Apocalyptic: ascii does fancy submarines as you may have noticed
asciilifeform: undata: defeating enemies on earth looks expensive, but is cheaper than space flight and terraforming (the latter, no one has even an elementary clue how to even estimate the cost.)
undata: 2058, undata retires to L5 to tend his greenhouse
undata: regarding undersea living, I'd be concerned that a hostile govt would simply destroy the thing
undata: seems easy to hide
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cazalla: undata: in the words of reddit, if you try to grab a cops gun, you're gonna have a bad time
undata: cazalla: a cop would never lie about that after shooting an unarmed guy
undata: I grew up in TX, where cops shooting unarmed black kids doesn't even make the news.
cazalla: they off each in greater numbers, why not campaign about that instead
mircea_popescu: !up Sid3waY
undata: or cut the pretense that the cops are there to protect the population
Sid3waY: Hihi
Sid3waY: Thank you
mircea_popescu: undata the actual population.
mircea_popescu: ello Sid3waY. who're you ?
asciilifeform: the 'police brutality' crap is orchestrated by u.s. lizard media. ergo it is simply a prelude to a 'sudden, brilliant, hope, change 11!111!!' 'solution' - a national gendarmerie. think 'dhs' but this time 'for real.'
Sid3waY: I'm looking for a Lil help on margin trading on bitfinex
Sid3waY: I'm s1dew4y
undata: asciilifeform: oh, certainly
mircea_popescu: cazalla so if the young males don't off each other what are you going to do with the losers ? teach them javascript ?
undata: but it's not as if it's all coordinated
mircea_popescu: Sid3waY generally the standing advice on bitfinex is that you should get off that scam.
undata: these redneck cops are just naturally useful
cazalla: undata, i don't think that at all, i just think it's a bit much to cry over a cop killing a nignog who tried to grab his gun when said nignogs kill each other in greater numbers but no media circus there, no riots either
Sid3waY: In was sent here as all pricetall/trading isn't allowed in Bitcoin -_-
Sid3waY: Scam...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, i'll train em to fight like pokemon
undata: cazalla: the whole "nignog" thing doesn't exactly give you the intellectual high ground here
mircea_popescu: cazalla howssat ?
mats_cd03: no, but its funny
undata: you're just assuming he went for the gun because it fits your predetermined view on the thing
mircea_popescu: Sid3waY it's perfectly allowed, just, i dunno that anyone actuallytrusts it to keep money there.
mircea_popescu: cazalla for what it's worth i did confiscate a "cop"'s gun once.
cazalla: undata, aren't you assuming the cop shot him simply because he is black?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, ok but you clearly walked away unscathed, our nignog in quesation did not
mircea_popescu: well, she was either untrained or inept, but in any case a danger to herself an' others. and i knew her boss.
undata: ha, that's awesome
mircea_popescu: but the deeper moral is : see idiot with gun, take it from him. okay.
mircea_popescu: if you "take it from him" and he still shoots you...
mircea_popescu: baby, you did something wrong.
mircea_popescu: bitch was in no position to do anything. i could have shot her dead. that i didn't is an act of mercy on
mircea_popescu: MY part.
mircea_popescu: there wasn't at any point the possibility ~i'd~ get shot.
cazalla: i'm not arguing that taking a gun from a cop is a bad/good thing, just that if one tries, don't be surprised if shot
BingoBoingo: !up S1deway
mircea_popescu: cazalla if one tries and fails
mircea_popescu: maybe one should be shot.
S1deway: Ok sorry
S1deway: So is the interest rate the same on shorts and longs?
cazalla: best not fail then or we hear from undata how such failure is fault of cop
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undata: cazalla: I'm merely pointing out that you enjoy assuming the nigger got what he deserved.
undata: to stop beating around the bush with "nignog"
mircea_popescu: cazalla seems to me on somewhat intuitively obvious, this. taking the gun of some armed entity is one of those things where you take your life in your hands. either you know what you're doing or don't complain at the results.
undata: who fucking knows, man
undata: but this cops killing black kids thing is pretty common in the south
mircea_popescu: undata cops sweating is also pretty common in the south.
cazalla: undata, it's not that, i just hate hearing about the injustice and all this over shit, they play it over and over in the media here and we don't even have guns or nignogs
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
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mircea_popescu: poor cazalla.
asciilifeform: in ussr (at one time) policemen were required to walk their beat in pairs. for this reason.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought it was for the other reason
mircea_popescu: (one could read, one couldwrite)
mircea_popescu: or wait, no, was it "6 years schooling each, together = ged" ?
asciilifeform: it was simply against 'knock'im over the head and take pistol' thing.
mircea_popescu: you know if this helpful ddosing of noobs continues we might even not need the voice thing anymore.
undata: cazalla: where do you live?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if mr "advanced permanent threat" lol can be relied on.
cazalla: undata, down under mate, true blue aussie battler
undata imagines cazalla fighting off bush-people with his knife
cazalla: undata, nope, illegal, forget about croc dundee
undata: sad days
undata: so here's my gripe, it's not social justice
mircea_popescu: they took the knife fights from the deported now ?!
undata: where the fuck is the authority who is supposed to manage these thugs (cops) and put them to some sensible use
undata: clearly terrorizing black people is just them enjoying themselves
asciilifeform: undata: orchestrated prelude for gestapo. it'll be greeted with cheering crowds. at first.
mircea_popescu: undata police is unmanageable in the socialist state.
cazalla: undata, if the nignogs had any sense, they'd all fight the cops instead of each other, but that won't ever happen
undata: cazalla: well that was engineered though
mircea_popescu: you have to understand there are some invariants in every system. you can pick which invariants, when you design it
undata: the state made sure they never grew any leaders
mircea_popescu: you can't pick whether to have them or not.
undata: lever gardeners, they
undata: *clever
mircea_popescu: undata "the state". fuck them, they should have made sure they grew leaders.
mircea_popescu: this is why black society is inferior and arab society is not
undata: I see your point
mircea_popescu: the "state" has been trying to make sure arabs have no leaders since the days of mandate palestine.
mircea_popescu: all three socialisms tried, the british, and the russian, and the us.
mircea_popescu: they all succeeded about as splendidly.
mircea_popescu: fuck, the entire lawrence of arabia episode shows the arabs actually can make leaders OUT OF THE SOCIALIST GRUNTS
mircea_popescu: and that was no isolated incident, look how fucking paniced the socialist states are today
mircea_popescu: at the "o noes, all these 20something kids going to isis"
mircea_popescu: tell; you what, any 20 yo male that is not abortion material actually goes to isis today.
mircea_popescu: it's the place to go.
mircea_popescu: everyone that stays behind to populate reddit is plainly contemptible for this very reason.
mats_cd03: odds on the caliphate materializing in the next decade?
mircea_popescu: woman's fucking job.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 so close to 100%...
mats_cd03: i think so too.
undata: there's a podcaster I enjoy, Dan Carlin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how's pure mathematics doing in isisland ?
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing can not be stopped by obama and buterin, oscar laureates.
undata: his theory is that the caliphate is exactly what's needed
TomServo: undata: That the hardcore history guy?
undata: and even that US policy might be to help that come about, though I think that's giving too much credit
undata: TomServo: yep
mircea_popescu: that sort of thing is stopped by people like us, and in its boundless ineptitude, the us has failed to come crawling on its hands and knees begging us.
mats_cd03: eh. there's a distinct lack of officers in our ranks.
cazalla: can i just be a cop that kills random nignogs
mats_cd03: although, plenty of soldiers, i'm sure, if you were to ask...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you heard of the famous al-gorithm
mircea_popescu: aka khwarizmi ?
undata: cazalla wants his knife back
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who hasn't. how many al-kwarizmis among isis now ?
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 actual officers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how would you know ? hollywood too busy giving prizes to shitfall.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps as many as there are archimedes among modern greeks ?
mats_cd03: i suppose i'd do ok as a company grade officer.
mircea_popescu: the substantial difference being that greece is a colony today.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik isis is about as interesting as the iranian revolution. and for the same reason.
mircea_popescu: our data does not match.
undata: at least ISIS is explicit about their aims
mircea_popescu: isis is about as interesting as the columbian farc, except not bound by low population and tiny geograpgy.
undata: that's what drives me crazy about the US; nobody ever just says what's actual
undata: "White cop shot black kid for fun."
undata: or because he was scared
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, i get that anti-intellectual 'black hundreds' phenomena are an expected thing. yes, they're inevitable after corrupt 'scientocracies' fuck up the planet. but - it still sucks.
undata: "Citizen, your banks own you."
mircea_popescu: undata in a world where pretense is allowed, truth is necessarily disallowed.
undata: I'd take a king who said what he was up to any day.
mircea_popescu: it all starts with idiots who "wish to be polite"
cazalla: undata, pretty sure that is what they imply though eh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'A revolution without dancing is not a revolution' but - s/dancing/mathematics
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do not see that such anti-intellectual stuff is anything but 2nd layer us propaganda re isis.
undata: "Look I'm moving you peasants from this city to that because I want my rocket launch site there"
undata: fine! great!
mircea_popescu: like me hanging by their fallopian tubes all us "social sciences" professors
mircea_popescu: and then being accused of "anti intellectualianism"
undata: the US is like that creepy, abusive parent that tells you everything is for your own good
mircea_popescu: "evil warlord killed 5698048605 tenured professors in the us"
BingoBoingo: Are there even that many?
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bagels7: im canadian, and stupid canadian bitches on tv would rather say americans are not stupid than be impolite
mircea_popescu: mthreat i had not.
mircea_popescu: and its improbable it happened seeing how they all happen right under my window.
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: i get the distinct impression that tools in volatile memory forensics are still relatively primitive (compared to disk forensics) in lots of ways ... Volatility and friends have developed a better understanding of win internals, but much of what they principally do is still brute force scanning. is this observation accurate? i'm fairly amateur
mats_cd03: in this field
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where are the noteworthy intellectual achievements of the new caliphate? e.g., are they throwing out winblows (and not via return to 15th c. tech) ? who is paid to think thoughts in the lands of the new flag, and what kind of thoughts ?
undata: asciilifeform: who knows through the fog of propaganda
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so far, 99% of the thoughts are "haxx the web"
undata: I've read they banned chemistry
undata: sounds pretty absurd
mircea_popescu: i've not heard of this.
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: you know, i suddenly realized today when browsing your /. page that you're the reason why i'm here -- i saw your 'Bitcoin Baron' and OpenBSD headline and decided to pop in to see what was up
mircea_popescu is not an authoerity on wtf isis does in any case.
mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: so, thanks.
BingoBoingo: You're welcome mats_cd03
undata googles the owners of al arabiya
asciilifeform: undata: forget for a minute the propaganda. think of the starting material. if you were told that 'perhaps the modern greeks are intellectual giants, but u.s. propaganda obscures this' would you believe? or be justifiably skeptical.
mircea_popescu: undata okay but we weren't discussing k12 here.
undata: asciilifeform: oh shit, I mean to cut through it, I'm sure they're backwards as hell
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what if you were told the same about russians ?
asciilifeform: aha islamic curriculum. i'm not seeing 'we'll kill adelberger & co. and force al schwartz's equivalence principle violation experiment to be carried out.'
undata: I'm also sure I'd be told they fuck babies if it would persuade me to support another war
mircea_popescu: the russians being a fine example. i could readily stroke the same public knowledge to elicit a "I'm sure they're backwards as hell".
cazalla: mats_cd03, did ya know BingoBoingo's /. posts are responsible for qntra's record traffic day and that reddit doesn't even come close
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: generally folks who have usefully sharp tools and actually understand microshit guts - aren't talking. because what is to be gained from public talk.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take it another way : where do i have a better chance to sell the experiment being tried ? wash dc, london or baghdad ?
undata: mircea_popescu: right, doesn't war tend to be about brutality, dominance, etc?
undata: atrocities happen on all sides of war
mircea_popescu: THIS is m y point exactly. whether they do or don't do better atm is immaterial. they WILL do better, necessarily, because they don't share the same lockdowns
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: sad face.
mircea_popescu: and they don't for political reasons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: may as well ask 'where's the better chance, mars or venus? and ant civilization or cockroach civilization'
chetty: you know MP recent article about press in Romania, big problem here is that Romanians knew from experience how bias the press is, Americans haven't figured it out yet.
mircea_popescu: once they establish some sort of state, they'll try shit.
mircea_popescu: they'll try shit with the desperation of stalin trying on shit.
mircea_popescu: or peron for that matter. recall his 1950s attempts to make fusion work ?
mircea_popescu: and im pretty sure isis is the first place with a serenissima embassy, for that matter.
undata: they're already beating the war drum in the media here regarding Syria, Iraq, etc
undata: amazing that the US can hold firm to the PNAC through decades
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undata: at least we can focus on our own ruin, if nothing else
mircea_popescu: cazalla> did ya know that reddit doesn't even come close << yes. i knew.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iran - 'tried shit.' i would need serious evidence of pig flight before believing that fundamentalist clerical revolutions are anything other than usg 'yi yi zhi yi' methods.
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cazalla: undata, is that not a good thing though? spending is accelerated etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a) only an ideology can foment revolution ; b) all ideologies are reducible to ideologies. socialism, religion, take your pick. "democracy"
mircea_popescu: you're begging the question here.
mircea_popescu: all that matters is that
mircea_popescu: it's a new state, AGAINST the current morass.
mircea_popescu: this has to be supported merely because it hurts nato.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: human material matters.
mircea_popescu: the arabs are provedly not inferior material.
mircea_popescu: if this happened in africa you could murder me on this score, which is why we're not here talking about the numerous much larger rebellions all over subsaharan africa past decades.
undata: hm, just had the thought that maybe this is exactly how people *find* a good leader
undata: quick! erect the pyramid and he'll find the top
mircea_popescu: but the arabs already proved themselves. in fact, we even have sciences and arts at all because the arabs kept them while the west was being all "progressive" the last tim around.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so far usg is keeping these folks intensely interested in clitori butterfly collections and not the least bit in higher mathematics, without apparently breaking a sweat.
mircea_popescu: i don't see that flow of causality.
mircea_popescu: the usg is as related to this as the fly on the radiator related to the car crash.
mircea_popescu: they are cutting up women because they're desperately trying to resolve the significant sociopolitical problem of carin what women think.
mircea_popescu: they're currently going through the "hate them" phase. perhaps this may soon resolve al-fucking-ready.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: let's put it this way - the arab lands burn, and we know the arsonist - usg. who can say that arsonist is not still in control?
mircea_popescu: i do not see either of these.
mircea_popescu: what "burn" ? what we know ?
undata: asciilifeform: I wonder the same thing: is it a matter of policy to help re-establish a caliphate?
mircea_popescu: anyway, the discussion of whether we like or dislike isis is to be had once isis is a thing.
chetty: I'm not so sure about the human material, Egyptians can't read maps ...
mircea_popescu: so far it's not a thing yet, and it should be supported, merely to ruin more of the socialist world.
mircea_popescu: chetty i can see that angle.
mats_cd03: cazalla: i'm not surprised, /. would be a better audience than reddit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i would go so far as to say that isis is the thing that made the us destroy its permanent installations in baghdad, something that has not happened since china beatthem in vietnam.
mircea_popescu: this alone is good credentials, but consider : 50 trn is the us going to pay over the next 50 years for that war, and they were sent home by isis.
mircea_popescu: as far as any observer can determine, isis burned 50 trn worth of us soil.
mircea_popescu: we see the burning, we know the arsonist, could we not say isis in in control of the us today ?
undata: mircea_popescu: I've seen it mentioned several times that "ISIS" is the face of a force non-negligibly comprised of former baathists, etc
undata: who is to say what it ends up looking like
undata: maybe those guys end up outcompeting the religious idiots from within
mircea_popescu: undata if i sent my spymaster there, and she operated without constraint and superhuman power to report,
mircea_popescu: i'd still take her reports with a grain of salt.
mircea_popescu: imagine the whole saltmines of salt i need for all these other "reports"
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
mircea_popescu: hey there s. we were just talkin bout isis. how do you take that ? :D
bagels7: Hi, Im new so I was hoping you could link me to the most relevent articles since I only have 5 per week
mircea_popescu: bagels7 relevant to what ?
bagels7: relevent to being aware of the world or just being sucessful
mircea_popescu: ugh that's a tough one.
bagels7: im 26 years old and im not particularly educated
mircea_popescu: generally the way this works is someone asks a question and sometimes i pop an article out. but they're generally much more concrete.
undata: bagels7: high five, 27 and college dropout
mircea_popescu: mebbe someone in your position contribures what looked best to them ?
bagels7: undata: me too, but i flucked out due to paying for rent and food rather than school stuff
undata: bagels7: spend the 4 bucks or whatever and pay the man
undata: it's worth it
jurov: mircea_popescu i don't get it, what sets isis aart from iran and taleban?
jurov: *papart
bagels7: can i use a credit card
jurov: or you have embassies in the later?
undata: bagels7: I left because college in texas is a fucking joke
asciilifeform: i'm with jurov on this one. both 'sent usa home' with tail between legs. and remain dreary idiot peasant uprisings.
mircea_popescu: papart lol.
bagels7: undata: so you just got a job instead?
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't recall a humiliating defeat of the us and its allies at the hands of either iran or taleban.
undata: bagels7: I'd held software jobs since 16, just went back to existing contacts for work
undata: now I'm doing my own thing in software
asciilifeform: cia muppet state smashed in iran.
mircea_popescu: the shah ?!
mircea_popescu: sure, if you want to melt the cheese you can go "and taleban bombed nyc"
mircea_popescu: maybe my judgement is idiosyncratic, but i don't see it.
undata: bagels7: I sought good mentors along the way who beat sensible habits into me
undata: as I'd hoped college would do
undata: hence lurking here and trying to absorb things from the polymaths present
chetty: undata much better off these days with real mentors than college
bagels7: my intelligence has greatly been reduced, my dad was an idiot, i wanted a computer since i was 13 but they only got one my second semester of college
mircea_popescu: intelligence doesn't reduce lol.
bagels7: back then I had a brain and motivation to learn, now i don't care. let white society burn
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only sunny spot in human existence.
bagels7: well my brain capacity to render images
mircea_popescu: so you'll make a shittier videoprojector ?
asciilifeform: early encounter with computer is not necessarily good for your mind.
mircea_popescu: lottery ticket really.
bagels7: no no brain images, in my mind
bagels7: i can visualise complicated 3d shapes
mircea_popescu: bagels7 think of it this way : most of the graybeards that we respect met computers in their 50s, after fucking with paper for a long time.
mircea_popescu: all the people we think are ok met computers in college
mircea_popescu: virtually all the imbeciles we despise had computers as children.
bagels7: i dont respect much gray hair anymore, due to being deceived with their lies
mircea_popescu: graybeards is a term of art
bagels7: i didn't major in art, :/
chetty: lesson 1 bagels7 , judge things one at a time, not in groups
mircea_popescu: a term of art is a word that has a speciffic meaning within a discipline.
mircea_popescu: in this case, graybeard in computing means a true expert.
bagels7: well i knew that much
mircea_popescu: the minskys and kuhns and whatnot
mircea_popescu: actually, is linus a graybeard ?
mircea_popescu: or still too young
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asciilifeform: linus? lol, never!
bagels7: im not sure i get your point.
asciilifeform: can debate, but he fails a number of basic tests for the category, not limited to age
mircea_popescu: !up omen1855
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about stallman ?
bagels7: I'm still rovering from the jehovah witness's and religious brainwashing
undata: stallman gets emacs points, doesn't he?
mircea_popescu: i think that part's disputed.
omen1855: thank you
mircea_popescu: bagels7 so then be welcome in our cult ranks!
jurov: bagels7: you were just properly raised by mircea_popescu's standards
mircea_popescu: omen1855 sure. who're you ?
mircea_popescu: jurov wait wut ?!
undata: bagels7: I was raised revelations-cult christian
undata: same difference eh?
asciilifeform: i'd include stallman - but my picture of 'graybeard' is about having experienced 'real computing'
jurov: mircea_popescu beatings and brainwashing
bagels7: idk 6 hours of week for church and spankings if you talked or moved too much for not being able to sit still for 2 hours
undata: bagels7: don't give in to that victim mentality
mircea_popescu: undata is this one of those where kids get bored so they claim to see jesus and adults get all excited "because kids can't lie" and then the primary attention getting mechanism available to kids is making wild religious revelation claims ?
undata: who cares
chetty: asciilifeform, you mean like strung core?
bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had
undata: mircea_popescu: well yeah but needs more 'bama
undata: :D
mircea_popescu: jurov beatings, sure. im not for brainwashing!
omen1855: someone who used to come here on occasion last year, no celebrity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so then mel is your patriarch ?
jurov: but you're for isis
mircea_popescu: jurov politics.
asciilifeform: chetty: not specifically magnetic core. but the general principle, of a machine built for intelligent, educated folks, who are -expected to understand- it.
mircea_popescu: <bagels7> idk 6 hours of week for church and spankings if you talked or moved too much for not being able to sit still for 2 hours << that part's great. stfu and sit put.
bagels7: undata: I'm a victim, I don't have a victim mentality. there is a difference. I did not have the slighest victi mentality from age 4 to age 22 concerning my mom leaving me
jurov: mircea_popescu: how it can be divided from politics? "yeah they're utterly brainwashed zealots, but otherwise i like their political views"???
mircea_popescu: jurov my position is, "their enemies which i don't particularly care for claim they be evil, but otherwise also got beat to shit". this i can go for.
undata: bagels7: touchy subject I'm sure; it'd take nuance to get my point about it across
mircea_popescu: jurov are you reading arabic reports anyway ?
undata: every human shoves along every other human as he/she can; religion's not a special case of that
jurov: not reading
mircea_popescu: because if you're reading the guardian&co, what you see there is coming out of the same sifon that yields the "putin is insane" spritz.
jurov: he isn't insane.i'm merely concerned his doings might get me killed
bagels7: i worked harder than anyone in my class and people would just say im smart so its easy for me and not a bid deal. I was learning japanese because I wanted to go to japan. but my cousin decided to go 5 years later on a whim because well she had suport for every step in her life where as me her mom and my dad held me back. Im just not planning on curing ebola or anything anytime soon.
bagels7: Can't I just make an honest living
chetty: we need правда
mircea_popescu: jurov so if that's your concern oyu gotta move.
bagels7: jehovah witnesses are child abusers and well I'm going to do something about it!
bagels7: maybe have a sunday protest
undata: that's sure to raise awareness
asciilifeform: bagels7: Can't I just make an honest living << at what?
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mircea_popescu: bagels7 the best advice for you is to a) create a list of 100 classical texts written before 1800 ; b) spend two weeks reading NOTHING online but that. not anything. not a single page of popurls or whatever. none.
mircea_popescu: then you'll be in a better position to appreciate the inanity currently rotting your brain away.
jurov: i will probably move if it keeps progressing... what was the argument?
undata: mircea_popescu: such a reading list would be a welcome post
mircea_popescu: jurov you didn't like my position on isis and i was trying to articulate it.
mircea_popescu: (your dislike i mean)
asciilifeform: jurov: wait wat!? isis has come to your town ?
jurov: noo, mircea is pulling putin into the discussion
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i said "because if you're reading the guardian&co, what you see there is coming out of the same sifon that yields the "putin is insane" spritz."
jurov: i think what i think because i'm watching RT, too.
undata: jurov: where are you?
mircea_popescu: right, which is how you know he's just realpolitiking all over nuland's face, ass and tits.
jurov: if isis becomes concern, then i may consider their propaganda, too
jurov: undata: slovakia
mircea_popescu: so far their ideology pretty much reduces to "anything us is evil" as best i can tell.
mircea_popescu: this is not necessarily a bankrupt approach, arguably even better fitted than "everything us is good"
mircea_popescu: which is in and of itself the saddest indictment one can ever hear about any state.
jurov: i also heard there's an approach somewhere "mircea_popescu is evil"
mircea_popescu: imagine, random chance a better bet. that's the fucking antithesis of statality.
mircea_popescu: im sure there is.
bagels7: yeah my boyfriend saw trilema and was like "that guy is a terrorist" just from the look
undata: oh dear
bagels7: does the US "governemnt" kill more inocent people than isis
mircea_popescu: depends on your definition of innocent.
undata: jurov: do you think he's after more than just involving ukraine in a permanent border dispute to foul potential nato membership?
bagels7: innocent as in collateral damage
mircea_popescu: undata the seaports is the problem.
jurov: undata: there's parallels to sudetenland annexion and numerous other historical precedents.. it's very unlikely putin just stops there.
mircea_popescu: look at it from moscow's pov. 1) the us builds a large base at constanta, once europe's largest port by tdw, and mere miles from the russian bases at sevastopol
mircea_popescu: 2) ukraine "joins nato". so what, all of russia to be served by vladivostok ?
mircea_popescu: jurov so he gets what, romania ?
jurov: transnistria, maybe
mircea_popescu: or else, a landbridge to serbia via bulgaria ?
mircea_popescu: nobody fucking wants transnistria gtfo.
mircea_popescu: it's like wanting somaliland.
BingoBoingo: Eh, Putin just needs to cozy up to Cuba
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's interdictable.
mircea_popescu: what any large power needs are land connections to ports all around.
jurov: ok, so you say he just makes land bridge to crimea and then everything stops.
mircea_popescu: i don't see why he'd care about anything but sevastopol, myself.
asciilifeform: roach extermination will not stop (unless usg somehow rids itself of mr p)
BingoBoingo: Sure, but if Obola can have Costana, Putin can have a naval base just outside of Guantanamo
mircea_popescu: i doubt he wants it.
mircea_popescu: the russkis understand bases are expensive.
mircea_popescu: in a way teh pentagon doesn't quite yet.
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asciilifeform: usg/nato to ru: 'stop running your nose into my fist!'
mircea_popescu: how do you figure that one !?
asciilifeform: 1) create fictional countries carved out of opponent's meat 2) prattle on about 'democracy' and 'legitimacy' 3) ??? 4) profit
jurov: since when this area is ussr's meat?
asciilifeform: jurov: since europe tried to 'grab its gun' in '41 and failed.
mircea_popescu: seems tenuous.
mircea_popescu: if anything, ukraine is part of poland.
mircea_popescu: well, whatever, southern parts romania, but lettuce not quibble :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the part with illiterate idiots (west) - yes
mircea_popescu: anyway, european borders. never an established matter.
mircea_popescu: the salic law of succession specifically had a 5) and thou shalt not have fixed borders in there.
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in the name of wha
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: moral justice the legions ought to forsake the lands for which they had paid with their blood. Not only is the transference of conceptions of morality to the evaluation of historical events a phony method, but, if we recall, the moralists - the defeated European nations and the Americans, enemies of the USSR - that is to say, non-impartial moralists - their condemnations sound hollow indeed. The offen
assbot: Logged on 15-06-2014 02:28:38; asciilifeform: of course, unphased by this. We know now that their strategy of psychological war turned out to be a correct one... To establish the injustice, the 'meanness' of the enemy in a moralistic war is every bit as important as winning a pitched battle in a hot war.'
undata: seems like that plays a part ^
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that "without anyone';s help is nonsense". for one thing, there were 3 romanian armies there
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
jurov: asciilifeform yes that's russian myth you did it yourselves.
jurov: in fact, staling could push to vienna in 1944
jurov: using areas liberated by slovak nationa uprising
asciilifeform: mail corrections to herr limonov. the basic point stands - ru owned these folks every bit as 'legitimately' as rome owned anything. and then it walked out because its brain was under the control of alien pederasts. whose tendrils are being ejected, slowly but surely.
jurov: but they preferred to shoot themselves in the foot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was aurelian under control of alien pederasts ?
jurov: it was actually under control of the pederasts *between 1918-198x*
asciilifeform: jurov: i'm aware of the nuances, yes. incl. herr tito's story.
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asciilifeform: jurov: 1918 pederasts 'took their land from the wooden plow to atomic bomb.'
mircea_popescu: which way does this proof cut ?
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jurov: so? pakistan has atomic bomb too
jurov: meanwhile, murdered vast swathes of own people
mircea_popescu: geopolitics, gotta love em. nobody can keep straight wtf's going on for five lines.
asciilifeform: jurov: pakistan has it with '90s tech. perhaps an eric frein-style weirdo can have one with 2020s tech.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well... but but the wooden plow people had it with 50s tech ?
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asciilifeform: lol, nobody kills 'own people.' you kill 'evil wreckers', dontcha know!
mircea_popescu: or blacks.
asciilifeform: boyscout << tiresome story, endlessly repeated. no chain reaction, nor was it possible.
jurov: there were millions of 'evil wreckers' in ussr?
jurov: do tell
mircea_popescu: jurov i think you miss the points where he's being facetious
mircea_popescu: for teh lulz.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the q i want answered asciilifeform is re aurelian!
jurov: well... and i'm still genuinely interested what he thinks about ussr's eugenic program (gulags)
mircea_popescu: no wai the gulags can be reduced as "eugenic programs"
jurov: ooh, it was more than that?
jurov: do tell again
mircea_popescu: let's work a model jurov. suppose you're me, and suppose you're stuck doing what i think best (stalin -> lenin relationship)
mircea_popescu: suppose you end up in charge of the us. now, there happens to exist public record of me saying something about social sciences, professors and fallopian tubes.
mircea_popescu: what do you do ?
mircea_popescu: seems putting them all in a large nude colony in montana may work.
mircea_popescu: does it ?
mircea_popescu: would it then be an "eugenics program" ?
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jurov: if these colony members won't procreate, then basicaly yes
asciilifeform: ru eugenics << wat, with lysenko's theories of heritability? lol!
mircea_popescu: ya srsly.
mircea_popescu: jurov well that's then a narrow view you're more than welcome to
mircea_popescu: but should perhaps preface the general statement with a clue. "as far as everything's eugenics, then gulags are eugenics"
asciilifeform: what about aurelian ?
jurov: it's my own nickname for them meant to rile up stan
mircea_popescu: jurov not sure you realise the problem with your thinking here, but anyway : is homosexuality an eugenic experiment ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he also retreated.
mircea_popescu: since the romans were being used as the measurement unit.
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asciilifeform: strategic retreat, iirc, no ?
jurov: what? how?
mircea_popescu: !up jborkl
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but was he being mindcontrolled by aliens.
ben_vulpes: "requires you to get health coverage by the end of the open enrollment period on February 15. If you don’t, this year you’ll have to pay a penalty of $325 per adult or 2 percent of your household income -- whichever is higher." << death of self insurance in the usg
mircea_popescu: orly, 325 or 2% whichever is higher ?!
jurov: ahhh, isee. no homosexuals were not prevented from procreation by "science of people"
ben_vulpes: "give us (healthcare mafia) your money, or else - give us (ordinary communist mafia) your money"
mircea_popescu: jurov no the criteria you enounciated.
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jborkl: all the naked people would freeze in Montana, heh
mircea_popescu: jborkl cool!
jurov: okay my other criterion was that eugenics victims are barred from procreation by "science"
mircea_popescu: not feminists, they got thick scales over all that fat.
jurov: and since soviet govt boasted about being "governed by science" here we are
asciilifeform: what 20th c. mega-empire didn't boast of 'science'? it's nearly obligatory, like the christianity of european kings
ben_vulpes: nevermind that 325/mo doesn't buy *shit* insurance here.
mircea_popescu: exactly the right simile there.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so laughable, most of the world lives on less than that.
mircea_popescu: in the us tho, you can't even buy insurance
mircea_popescu: us must be fucking dangerous ?
jborkl: well, health insurance for 2 adults and 2 kids is more than my house payment
jurov: i did not mean to pull words. in short, ussr killed so many own people so that ended up with shrinking population
jurov: and i don't see how atomic bomb or other achievements can fix that
asciilifeform: jurov: maximizing meat now?
undata: asciilifeform: at what point would you consider that waste?
asciilifeform: jurov: what, exactly, do we need exponentially growing meat mass for ?
cazalla: bagels7: I'm still rovering from the jehovah witness's and religious brainwashing <<< holy shit, i'm not the only one to suffer this in #b-a
mircea_popescu: apparently we attract you cultish lot!
jurov: where did i say exponentially growing? i said shrinking
undata: asciilifeform: seems like you have a little confirmation bias in there
asciilifeform: jurov: aha, shrinking. but you implied that this is a problem.
undata: "They were killing people and also sputnik therefore killing people."
jurov: if they somehow avoid being overran by chinese then i'll say it isn't a problem
jurov: not before
jurov: in say 20 years
cazalla: bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same, jugcord here, never knew when it might strike or for what reason
bagels7: well there was that one time he broke a spatula that came on par
bagels7: but i totally provoked him
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: american doctors are dangerously expensive
cazalla: bagels7, spatula? you got it easy then
undata: ben_vulpes: when do they start taxing you if you don't have insurance?
undata: feb 15?
bagels7: meh my dad would hurt his hand and he has tough man hands from physcal work all is life
jurov: asciilifeform: and you imply mass trimming ot meat is somwhow necessary. thus, eugenics.
ben_vulpes: undata: yee
bagels7: cazalla: least it wasnt a bat
ben_vulpes: undata: group buy?
undata: ben_vulpes: is it cheaper to just pay the tax?
undata: might be for me, maybe not for you
bagels7: there are 1000s of jehovah witness stories like our, endless pages of forums
cazalla: bagels7, so you're no longer in the truth eh, i must tell you that #b-a is rather worldly
undata: I'm going to be spending a lot of the business income on moar business for a good while
asciilifeform: jurov: meat tends to trim self if left to own devices. spitting on gulag while cheering, say, czar's famines, is like the folks who 'love small business and despise megacorps' here in usa. poorly thought out logic.
bagels7: cazalla: I decided to stop going when i was 15 but then my aunt played her protestant brainwashing guilt trip shit on me
jurov: i'm cheering czar's famines? TIL
bagels7: my aunt who i was living with who decided i could trust her like a mother, i felt more betrayed by her than my bio mother
jurov: long live the romanovs!!!1
asciilifeform: this always bugged me. somehow folks think that starving to death under czar was like dying of co poisoning in a mercedes to the tune of classical music, but starving in ussr is starving in a dumpster with broken glass.
jurov: i was facetions this time
jurov: *facetious
undata: couldn't we like... you know... not starve... man?
jurov: imo both these famines were incredibly wasteful, as there's plenty of arable land
undata: at least this seems like a weird focus
undata: sound money, rule of law, and I think we'd get to a place where most people can at least find food
undata: let alone send robots to comets or whatever you're into
jurov: basically, as if aliens came and prevented peasants to cultivate it, because atomic bomb was more important
asciilifeform: detectably plenty of starvation in ancient world, even with 'sound money' and good management
bagels7: they didnt have tchonology like today?
jurov: afaik it was *not* plant starvation in ussr
undata: asciilifeform: what about when you let that run for a while
asciilifeform: mass upheavals plus labour-intensive agriculture -> famine, generally
undata: sure maybe starvation at first, but why the belief that it will always be there?
jurov: all i can say, my parents and grandparents watched all this from some hundred miles away and considered it unbelievable
asciilifeform: undata: in the general, 'malthusian' case - where could it possibly go?
jurov: and it was *after* mechanized agriculture was available
undata: asciilifeform: there are innumerable things I could do in the present moment that I don't because they don't seem sensible
undata: one of those being fucking until the pile of human flesh I've produced is visible from space
asciilifeform: jurov: available to whom? at what cost? tractors dropped from sky on demand?
jurov: if they could make tanks, why not tractors?
undata: jurov: my folks grow enough to have everything they need, and the food they produce is delicious
asciilifeform: jurov: tank is a particular type of tractor, let's say. it cultivates sovereignty (or did, in the age of the tank, but why nitpick) rather than edibles.
jurov: and there was no such famine in eastern eutope outside russia inn 20th century
jurov: *europe
asciilifeform: without sovereignty, 'your' tractor - isn't yours. it belongs (along with your starfish) to the big boys.
jurov: but i see you insist... no help here
jurov: germans made tanks too, and did not even had so much arable soil.. no famines there, too
undata: asciilifeform: that a sovereign can do whatever he pleases doesn't necessarily proceed to "therefore he stole all my things and left me in mud"
undata: this comes up a lot in here; why does that follow?
undata: that was my "masturbation implement" rant
jurov: asciilifeform just keeps coming with excuses why his drunkard compatriots can't fend for thmeselves so well
asciilifeform: jurov: feel free to travel back in time and teach lenin et. al. how to retain sovereignty for their country (that is, no colonization, no cultivation of dependence on hostile west) without, well, the cost.
asciilifeform: lol, that my drunken compatriots could not fend for themselves, is as obvious as gravity.
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jurov: yes it is obvious. there was no famine in the 1990s only because govt came to senses and gave people their own soil
jurov: lenin could do that in 1918
jurov: but no, we cant have kulaks
asciilifeform: jurov: amateur gardens, yes. the traditional 100 sq. metres.
jurov: yes, that's what i mean
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> jurov: maximizing meat now? << as far as i can tell, there's a certain subgroup of transhumanists for whom even the faintest hint of discussion as to whether rivers of meat is the correct minimaxing is "eugenics" which is to say their local equivalent of "fascist" ie, very bad mkay.
asciilifeform: jurov: try to see the difference between 'i like kolkhoz' and 'what they did, made sense'.
undata: mircea_popescu: not-maximizing isn't the same as actively grinding away at your population until as jurov points out the numbers start to really dwindle
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> bagels7: the beatings were way worse than any bdsm "master" i had <<< lol same << lol wait, bagels7 is into bdsm ?
undata: surely you need *some* population or what's this sovereignty over?
undata: this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty
asciilifeform: jurov: and realize that the blowback from present-day usg idiocy will make lenin et. al. look reasonable and gentle. see earlier thread re: isis.
undata: sure, he's sovereign, and he's destroying himself
jurov: asciilifeform: here they did like kolkhozs to an amount bacuse it wasn't done so violently
mircea_popescu: <undata> this to me sounds like a very wealthy man lighting his wealth on fire to display sovereignty << afaik the only possible honest signal is exactly this.
undata: hm, interesting
mircea_popescu: by definition you know ? if you're not hurtin yourself then why wouldn't it be fake.
asciilifeform: jurov: incidentally, the most well-founded historical model of gulag etc. i know of is - that meat grinder was built, and became the proverbial 'self-licking icecream cone' after running short on the designated feedstock. a la french rev.
ben_vulpes: undata: if you're taking home more than 16.5K as an individual, it's not cheaper.
undata: ben_vulpes: dumb, k
asciilifeform: there is every reason to expect this behaviour from future meat grinders.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what is us academia if not exactly this ?
asciilifeform: re: wealth on fire:
mircea_popescu: how is it not a gulag ?
asciilifeform: !s stotting
jurov: asciilifeform: and you prefer it would not came crashing down or what?
undata: mircea_popescu: I see the point about a genuine display of power
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the land of 'soft power' - soft gulag. (almost inevitably hands want to say 'soft cocks' also.)
undata: I suppose it depends on the situation as to how much of a display is needed
jurov: just because it was so idiotic it crashed without inflictiong so much damage as usg did/does
mircea_popescu: jurov do you believe that out of two possible situations, the one with more people in it is always best ?
undata: were gulags needed to organize peasants into industrial workers?
mircea_popescu: because if you don't then by your definitions eugenics, and if you do wtf you doing in slovakia instead of say b-a.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform perhaps because it is the case.
mircea_popescu: but hey, viagra plugged that hole.
jurov: he one with less people in it is always best, either ?
mircea_popescu: just, headcount is irrelevant in a discussion of bestness.
jurov: i don't see slaughtering own people in such idiotic manner could be better outcome
jurov: if you do, how so?
asciilifeform: undata: basic mechanics here. peasants do not actually need the city-dwellers for anything (at least at the ru circa 1917 tech level.) why should they feed them, if asked nicely? and why would they wish to move to the city and waste away in factories, merely if asked nicely?
mircea_popescu: jurov well, his argument was that from plow to nuke.
mircea_popescu: if he makes it whole and says "without the gulags, from congo to CAR"
mircea_popescu: then you can see a line there.
mircea_popescu: why did i kill andreas derpopo for that matter ?
mircea_popescu: so others can learn from his corpse, right ?
asciilifeform: ultimately, being a builder of industry at the 1917 (or even today's) tech level, fundamentally sucks. as in, the same way being in prison sucks. so stalin et. al. tried experiment: what if being a peasant sucked -more- ? and - it worked.
jurov: US did do without gulags. until recently
undata: asciilifeform: I see that; in the US many tactics were used, among them property tactics, etc., to coerce people into the cities
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least, this;'d be the "most favourable possible ulterior retrospective construction"
undata: *property taxes
mircea_popescu: undata just look at how the southerners were coerce to become yanks after the war.
asciilifeform: there is also the 'they're idiot orcs' construction. which isn't even false, because, well, orcs.
mircea_popescu: they still resent it lol.
asciilifeform: but 'orcs suck and should simply kill themselves instead of sullying the planet with their stench' is not a historical argument.
undata: mircea_popescu: the southern cock will rise again!
undata: :p
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yet the us seems to be bringing it a whole lot these days lol
bagels7: you actually kill people....
asciilifeform: to a 'human', what can be more revolting than an 'orc.' now where was that prison film review by mircea_popescu ?
jurov: i'm confudes now...if its' a good thing, you should then admire the US for its gulag system
jurov: *confused
asciilifeform: the one with 'height of the tallest building' ?
mircea_popescu: bagels7 well, internet-killings.
bagels7: bare handed internet-killngs, k got it
undata: wut
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asciilifeform: jurov: u.s. gulag system, afaik, is merely an expensive waste of time, like their aircraft carriers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes! it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "but nobody would dare sink a carrier, because THEN ITD MEAN THEYRE SERIOUS ANBD FOR REAL!!!!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but i brought it up on account of 'orcs' rather than gulag. what orcs look like to human.
mircea_popescu: and nobody could conceivably wish to do anything *seriously*
mircea_popescu: this sort of ablated hipsterism is what passes for strategic thinking in the us.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. in the words of herr kokkarinen: 'modern hipster is not being rogered, because the cock is entering ironically(tm)'
mircea_popescu: the entire "putin doesn't understand how thwe world works" and "oh horror x! oh horror y!" is really the voice of a deconstructed postmodern intellect confronted with the sheer obscenity of reality.
mircea_popescu: the substance of the squal of the little girl confronted with the underside of a large boulder exposed to air
mircea_popescu: that's it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: also tied in to your 'then the centurion walks in, a different kind of man' story.
mircea_popescu: which one is that one ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'the west gate fell. all is lost.' that one
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> detectably plenty of starvation in ancient world, even with 'sound money' and good management << quite. famine is a great motivator, and to be honest i do not see why half the population should not at all points be hungry.
mircea_popescu: they don't like it, let them displace the other half.
mircea_popescu: <bagels7> they didnt have tchonology like today? <<< they didn't need it, because they weren't nearly as many.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> and it was *after* mechanized agriculture was available << it was not at all available. do you know what the tachanka was ? Makhno's thing.
mircea_popescu: that's the clear and incontrovertible proof that mechanized agriculture wasn't available even beyond the pale. let alone inside russia proper.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> and there was no such famine in eastern eutope outside russia inn 20th century << silesia famine in 1850 ? hongerwinter ?
jurov: i said 20th century
mircea_popescu: dutch famine was in 1944
mircea_popescu: whioch reminds me. asciilifeform you know the irish "fear gortha" ?
mircea_popescu: pretty much like the russian.
jurov: afaik ussr had to import grain *consistently*
jurov: from the west, even.
mircea_popescu: uh... no ?
mircea_popescu: nah, the famines were criminal particularly because stalin's soviets were net exporters.
mats_cd03: ;;tslb
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jurov: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_Soviet_Union pediwikia mentions grain imports specifically
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mircea_popescu: jurov and if you also count greece as part of europe, they had a famine tambien.
mircea_popescu: jurov you mean in the 80s ?
jurov: it was supposedly during foreign occupation
jurov: the greek one
jurov: yes, ussr imports in the 1980s. there was modern agriculture and irrigation available then, i suppose?
mircea_popescu: by 1980 the globalisation of trade makes such approach useless.
mircea_popescu: they imported grain because it was cheap
mircea_popescu: as a result of the canadian explosion.
jurov: even if that meant debt?
mircea_popescu: iirc their balance of trade was <10% of their gdp
mircea_popescu: so... sure. who cares.
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jurov: my grandpa was technical manager in 1980s and explained the hoops they had to jump to buy any equipment from the west
jurov: it was cuz they bought grain instead?
jurov: well, clearly they had their priorities
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mircea_popescu: jurov czechoslovakia isn't soviet russia tho or what are we talking about here
mircea_popescu: generally, the leadership of "socii", ie "allies" ie vassals is worse than at the center.
jurov: it was same in russia. iirc stan said something about his grandpad making film projectors without german parts
jurov: *grandpa
jurov: they saved on high tech to buy grain, i can esily see it
jurov: and now he's like "so go tell lenin what he did wrong, now you have it easy in hindsight"
mircea_popescu: didn't bagels7 just bitch that her dad didn'g buy her a computer ? im sure he must at some point have bought some grain too.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lenin's nep got cut short pre-war.
jurov: she did not starve into death nor hes exorbitant debts
jurov: *has
mircea_popescu: well inasmuch as something still exists for putin to run over, neither has russia "starved to death" ?
mircea_popescu: you understand some people must die, right ?
jurov: i don't understand why so many
mircea_popescu: ah. well that's always going to be an open debate.
mircea_popescu: generally, because socialist government is by definition inept, i guess.
undata: on the one hand I agree; something has to be the filter
undata: poverty, gulags, w/e
undata: on the other, it seems the gulag option tends to be... I guess too damned efficient
jurov: the filter to that goal?
mircea_popescu: it's not efficient at all.
jurov: *what goal
undata: mircea_popescu: at its self-licking task of chewing up the population
mircea_popescu: ah. well... that';s not so great.
undata: mircea_popescu: seems like poverty's the best option
mircea_popescu: jurov in general, so that most of each generation succumbs to avoidable causes, and most of the survivors don't dare speak.
mircea_popescu: in particular, fucking depends.
jurov: we can try to learn, that's all
undata: I like the idea of paying people to agree to sterilization.
cazalla: undata, who pays?
mircea_popescu: i don't. stop trying to get idiots to "agree".
jurov: cazalla is interested after recent experience?
mircea_popescu: if they're some people whose agreement you seek, they shouldn't be sterilised.
mircea_popescu: if they should be sterilised, you have no conceivable reason to seek their approval.
cazalla: jurov, bit late for that
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undata: cazalla: if I'm in the position to consider the cost of using secret police or something to get it done, I might
undata: not that I am
undata: haha
undata: the agreement is just part of the cheese on the trap
mircea_popescu: yes, and the thing trapped is you.
jurov: lol actually we had here an affair with forced sterilization of gypsy women
undata: jurov: they did it here (USA) in the 50s I think, maybe on into the 70s
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to imagine why. all the good slovak fucks i had were gypsy
undata: hah, looks like it was the 1920s onward
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cazalla: mircea_popescu, what is that, a biscuit or something?
BingoBoingo: Needs a follow up, what is in the bag?
mircea_popescu: prolly some dolche de leche confection
cazalla: 976KB, largest block evar?
mircea_popescu: ;;google "my urban negro"
mircea_popescu: my search returns my own fucking page ;/
mircea_popescu: anwyay, it's an alfajore.
mircea_popescu: “Regulation - which is based on force and fear - undermines the moral base of business dealings. It becomes cheaper to bribe a building inspector than to meet his standards of construction. A fly-by-night securities operator can quickly meet all the S.E.C. requirements, gain the inference of respectability, and proceed to fleece the public. In an unregulated economy, the operator would have had to spend a number of y
mircea_popescu: ears in reputable dealings before he could earn a position of trust sufficient to induce a number of investors to place funds with him. Protection of the consumer by regulation is thus illusory.”
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mircea_popescu: guess teh author.
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mircea_popescu: ah if only bitcoin were around in the 90s, back when greenspan was still in charge.
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asciilifeform: 'Compared to Stuxnet, the state-sponsored malware whose creators have never been confirmed, the recently-discovered trojan...' << wtf. confirmed as daylight.
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu said, iirc, 'they want to be boiled in oil'
mircea_popescu: btw, to help publicise the most important, and therefore least well known aspect of the us justice system :
mircea_popescu: ”If the jury feels the law is unjust, we recognize the undisputed power of the jury to acquit, even if its verdict is contrary to the law as given by a judge, and contrary to the evidence ... and the courts must abide by that decision.“
mircea_popescu: US v Moylan, 4th Circuit Court of Appeals, 1969, 417 F.2d at 1006
asciilifeform: !s nullification
mthreat: ah my urban negro
asciilifeform: known to a million people, but jury selection is typically such that they never sit
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, an undisputed and for that matter indisputable string of caselaw.
mircea_popescu: mthreat ever had it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, can't hurt to inform another million.
mthreat: i think so... alfajores everywhere here
mircea_popescu: if nothing else, decent odds it'll get you out of jury duty
mthreat: we got some dulce de leche liquor recently
mircea_popescu: i don't really trust mass produced sweets. in house all the way!
mthreat always gets out of jury duty, as an ex-felon ;)
mircea_popescu: o, you can never be on a jury now ?
asciilifeform: only reason usg still bothers with juries, is that they can generally be relied on to play ball, and this state of affairs is reasonably simple to maintain.
mthreat: ya. and funnily enough, i once got a jury summons from the very court that convicted me.
mthreat: i think they did it to screw with me ;)
mircea_popescu: so did you go ?
mthreat: hell no
mircea_popescu: why not lol
mthreat: although honestly, i wish i could serve on a jury
mthreat: i'd takeover that jury!
mircea_popescu: no you won't lol.
mircea_popescu: if you want practice, go to boring women's thanksgiving parties.
mats_cd03: jury duty sucks. plebs don't care a whit about proper execution of justice.
mircea_popescu: pick up a waitress or something around november.
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 i think the great theory goes, that you don't need people who care, or who are competent, or understand anything etc. you just need enough of them.
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mats_cd03: i sat. paid mere shillings per day ... and idiot walked, because jury couldn't be bothered
mircea_popescu: what case was it ?
mats_cd03: negligent discharge, officer killed a bystander in hot pursuit
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mats_cd03: lemme see if i can find proceedings
mircea_popescu: dun bother. was just curious for the summary
mats_cd03: i remember thinking at the time,
mats_cd03: rules of engagement in afghan are more stringent than this.
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bagels7: [18:30] <+mircea_popescu> bagels7 so what do you do for a living anyway << I hardly make a living, I depend on people
mircea_popescu: how does that work ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla well they prolly have a point.
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bagels7: my boyfriend pays the rent
asciilifeform: bagels7: 'occupation: pet' ?
bagels7: asciilifeform: no he isn't like that
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cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla well they prolly have a point <<< not that it matters at this point
mircea_popescu: bagels7 so what do you do, cook and clean ? give head ? sing & play the harp?
bagels7: actually he cooks because he likes to cook, I used to cook.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform teh old guys are really worried that the young guys may find out that the young girls are more impressed with isis-ing than with whatever the old guys clamor to be impressing them.
mircea_popescu: hey cazalla meet bagels7
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'find out' ? lol.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as if it were not obvious as daylight.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well da fuck else lol.
mircea_popescu: nah but see, not what i mean. obviously the ones that are worth two shits don't need to find out.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, cause i need another woman that can't cook or clean?
asciilifeform: if not for the cultural wall, whole planet would be banging on the caliph's door
mircea_popescu: but the large bulk of pointless idiots that are telling themselves stories
mircea_popescu: should not get to confront the storytelling nature of their activity.
undata: hm, jailing people for "support"?
bagels7: I like clean very much and do the floors almost daily
mircea_popescu: undata it's more amusing than that. 50 years ago, the fucktarded feminists in charge were all about how "love is the answer to all problems"
mircea_popescu: now they changed their tune, loving the wrong guys is no longer the cure.
mircea_popescu: poor unloved isis, no wonder it's going to rape the mdcss in corpore.
mircea_popescu: THEY WERENT LOVED!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, leaving aside the "0 comments, nobody carres" part : http://mdcss.org/mdcss-congratulates-2014-award-winners/
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mircea_popescu: why are there no men being given trophies ?
undata: mircea_popescu: why is no one embarassed by this kind of thing?
mircea_popescu: what is this bullshit ? i demand equal trophies given to men.
undata: we might as well just roll over and piss in the air
undata: if we can't handle them
mircea_popescu: undata because the ones that'd have enough sense for such a thing long left for isis ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that thing you dug up is some kind of appreciation award for schoolteachers. in usa 'social studies' is what they (for no reason i know of, despite being there) renamed 'history/geography' class in primary school.
undata: as long as we're all clear that the US is well into "jailing people for opinions" territory on this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soooo ?
mircea_popescu: still no men.
undata: not new behavior for us
mircea_popescu: undata love is not an oppinion.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are very few men teaching history in usa primary school level.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform soooo ?
mircea_popescu: equal trophies motherfucker!
undata: mircea_popescu: er um, words. she said certain words that are apparently very dangerous
mircea_popescu: no. i will not have my pov invalidated by ridicule!
asciilifeform: was anyone able to load the court document re: isiswoman ?
undata: "it's hot in here, someone kill the thermometer"
bagels7: I make cardboard geometric solids, pretty much all of them, I read crappy news and start crappy arguements with silly opiniated people
asciilifeform: 'She is accused of telling an undercover FBI agent that she could help facilitate sending somebody to join the ISIS fight in Syria, and she then lied to FBI agents about it.'
asciilifeform: re: 'lying':
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: The giving of false testimony - a crime, seen in Russia as small change - in the U.S. can lead to 26 years of prison. The fact that, in essence, the matter concerned a young girl who did not wish to admit her love affair with a married man, interests no one in the U.S. The principle of the machine is: do it [the crime] - receive. [consequences] the machine is merciless and incorruptible.'
undata: asciilifeform: a documentary comes to mind about the feds helping a group of black dudes "attempt an act of terrorism"
asciilifeform: undata: SOP
asciilifeform: !s new york death ray
asciilifeform: this is, without exception, how it works
mircea_popescu: bagels7 well like that i can't imagine how you could avoid depression.
asciilifeform: 1) find an idiot 2) cultivate his (or her!) idiocy in a 'terrorist'-flavoured direction 3) arrest, trial 4) profit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this "and then she lied about it" reminds me of a very particular thing that struck me a while back.
mircea_popescu: lemme dig it out.
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mircea_popescu: "We would never strike a student and whether the software is pirated or not is not the issue. He denied having the drive which means he knew he shouldn't have it here then it was found in his bag so I feel the punishment is suitable."
asciilifeform: the 'and then lied' thing (as reflected in earlier quote) is used to add a zero or two to the 'potential prison time' and make the chump play ball ('plea bargain')
mircea_popescu: this struck me when i read it because it is an exact reprise of the scholastics backing the inquisiton :
mircea_popescu: "we punish not for what they did, but because they think they should be punished"
asciilifeform: 'Of course, if the school ever found out that he had given Lissa his own password, it would be curtains for both of them as students, regardless of what she had used it for. School policy was that any interference with their means of monitoring students' computer use was grounds for disciplinary action. It didn't matter whether you did anything harmful—the offense was making it hard for the administrators to check on you. Th
asciilifeform: ey assumed this meant you were doing something else forbidden, and they did not need to know what it was.'
mircea_popescu: now, how some uncultured lout in australia and a bunch of uncultured louts in the us managed to reinvent the exact pits of scholastic thought in 15th century europe
mircea_popescu: is quite beyond me
asciilifeform: (the well-known 'right to read' by rms. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html )
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bagels7: mircea_popescu: I started making shapes to originally deal with depression in the first place and originally i was just making drawings
mircea_popescu: bagels7 how about just start doing something.
undata: !b2
undata: :(
bagels7: after i broke up with my boyfriend I was in a different state of mind
undata: doing something is always a good move
bagels7: mircea_popescu: what specifically
cazalla: bagels7, you know, if you go do some witnesses, jehovah will fill your heart will joy!
cazalla: witnessing even.. this fkn alcohol and my brain
undata: I have a weird theory on depression, that it can often be a sort of phantom suffering phenomenon
undata: like a phantom limb
bagels7: cazallaI have had enough "spiritual meals" from them in for a million life times
mircea_popescu: bagels7 i dunno, learn how to program computers and start contributing to a project. learn how to turn tricks and start doing outcalls.
undata: that most people actually don't get the recommended dose of suffering to calibrate their head
mircea_popescu: learn how to fix cars and go work in a garage.
mircea_popescu: somrthing, anything.
bagels7: outcalls doesn't lead anywhere good, does it
mircea_popescu: sure it does. you get laid, make money, meet interestinf people...
cazalla: bagels7, you know how to door knock, what's the difference?
mircea_popescu: like anything else. work is work.
bagels7: oh yeah. I have a client that does programming he hates it
bagels7: ubisoft pays well though
mircea_popescu: a papier mache solids client ?
undata: bagels7: if you are - as you appear to be - in canada, eat some vitamin d, eh?
undata: which reminds me to do the same...
bagels7: no an outcall client that is a programmer f
bagels7: yeah thanks for the reminder
bagels7: I wish i would meat interesting people but it's not like they want to talk about work with me
mircea_popescu: bagels7 ah, you're actually a whore ?
bagels7: I like to garden but I don't have any land...it's just nice being in a yard with chicken in the background
bagels7: yeah a black girl in a park recruited me
undata: lol what
undata imagines clipboard and tshirt with logo
bagels7: I don't get in cars with stangers though, that's how people disappear
mircea_popescu: is it any fun ?
bagels7: sometimes
bagels7: I saw some fancy hotels and some guys are nice and one even took me to the restaurant twice
mircea_popescu: how many guys do you do a week ?
bagels7: some guys are gross and I deal with it
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bagels7: Only a few times a month, no more than 5 though sometimes perhaps twice that
mthreat: memories of Los Angeles 1992
mthreat: rodney king
mircea_popescu: bagels7 why so unserious ?
mircea_popescu: you must to 30-50 guys a week. each week.
bagels7: why..
mircea_popescu: so as to make a pile of money.
danielpbarron: because bitcoin is really cheap right now :p
mircea_popescu: then you can go to egypt, marry a local man with a harem, live the rest of your days in a garden with some chickens
mircea_popescu: all of which bipedal, some of which laying eggs,
mircea_popescu: others of which speaking arabic and treating you like teh matriarch
bagels7: that sounds lovely
mircea_popescu: so go for it.
mircea_popescu: how much for half and half ?
bagels7: whats that
mircea_popescu: when you suck a dude and then fuck him.
bagels7: Im supposed to charge extra for that?
bagels7: its like 180 an hour
mircea_popescu: no lol, im just trying to find out how much you charge.
mircea_popescu: so then, 50 worked hours a week ~= 9k, in six weeks you have enough to implement this plan.
bagels7: oh no I only make 80 + tips
mircea_popescu: what, you got like a pimp ?
bagels7: like an agency
mircea_popescu: an agency that takes half hour money ? what is this ?
bagels7: is that not normal?
mthreat: even apple only takes 30%!
mircea_popescu: no it's not normal. 10-15% is an agency. over that, it's a pimp.
bagels7: well working by myself I keep getting guys that mess around
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mircea_popescu: no fucking idea why an agency'd take a pefcent anyway.
bagels7: newspaper ads?
mircea_popescu: fixed rate, hired for their services. phone screening or w/e it is, comes to 10 an hour.
bagels7: yeah i been meaning to look around
mircea_popescu: how long have you been working at this ?
bagels7: 4 years of which i didnt work a year
mircea_popescu: i tell you, a serious girl HERE makes more than the 80 plus tips 5 times a month you're talking about.
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mircea_popescu: and in four years you should already have a list of perms longer than your legs.
cazalla: bagels7, be a gamer girl cammer, some girls are getting thousand dollar tips on twitch
mircea_popescu: how old are you anyway ?
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Almost like the police want a riot << i bet you at least half the police want a riot. logically : 1) all these sweet toys they only get to play with if there's a riot ; 2) police funding depends on riots, their salaries may be on the line in all cases except if there;s a riot ; 3) these uppity niggers ? fuck them!!1 let's show em who's baws.
mircea_popescu: bagels7 so get to work, but seriously.
mircea_popescu: make simple rules : no six cocks today, no food.
bagels7: yeah I guess I should get in shape and do my own independent thing
mircea_popescu: push dat hussle.
bagels7: its not always cock
mircea_popescu: and if the town you're in can't provide more cock than you can scissor up, fucking move from that shitspot.
mircea_popescu: go to oman.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And of course the last thing they might be considering is the outcome where the police lose.
mircea_popescu: are you white/blonde ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "i just work here"
mircea_popescu: roughly the same fuckwits end up recruited by ganglords or the police, you realise. how many retarded kids think of the outcome where they get killed, on any one job ?
bagels7: im a white red head
bagels7: im not like hot or anything
mircea_popescu: bagels7 that doesn't affect how many people you fuck, just how much you can ask per.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well none of them think that. At least not the ones who go police. Because Hollywood and stuff.
mircea_popescu: in fact, prime girls have more of a problem trying to keep the engine going than A and B cuts.
mircea_popescu: they end up having to do a lot of jetting back and forth.
cazalla: bagels7, you don't have to be hot to be a gamer girl, just play games and talk to the nerds and they'll send you tips, example - http://www.twitch.tv/karmaah 565 viewers and she is ugly, Top Single Donation : Jamspr $750 Top Donator : Jared0x90 $2540 holy fuck if i was a girl i'd be on there playing pokemon for tips all day
bagels7: mirceau_popescu: yes but I am in a special non typical domain which is not interesting to most men
undata: BingoBoingo: fuckin badass man, like call of duty *takes selfie*
mircea_popescu: cazalla may be on to something. play nekkid wow all day lmao.
BingoBoingo is safely on the other side of the river, surrounded by rural and pale folk
mircea_popescu: bagels7 what's that ?
bagels7: transsexual escorts
mircea_popescu: uh. so what do you do, anal ?!
bagels7: or what they call "shemales"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, twitch updated their rules, you can't show a tonne of cleavage anymore, this girl - kaceytron - her fault http://www.twitch.tv/kaceytron
BingoBoingo: bagels7: There's still LiveJasmin or whatever.
mircea_popescu: !up Belxjander
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, myfreecams > livejasmin
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo from what i hear camwhoring is doing poorly these days, most of the girls i knew killing the cams years ago are moving back to fucking
BingoBoingo: Ah. I wonder how many guys going from videos to cams just made the jump to actual escorts.
bagels7: i still have like 500 dollars I can't claim on cam4 because my friend went on it and now they want said friends ID
mircea_popescu: bagels7 stop thinking about hundreds of dollars. whoring is a "five digit or go home" sort of affair.
bagels7: yeah but i was just desperately poor
bagels7: I didnt want to make a living, do I have to be famous now
mircea_popescu: you won't have a bf paying your rent when you're 48.
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bagels7: I prayed to god for a better way to make money, In fact I prayed just before I met that girl, go figure
mircea_popescu: i thought only jews pray for money
bagels7: i prayed for direction
BingoBoingo: This is the first time I've listened to a police scanner feed and not been incredibly bored
xanthyos: oh nice time to tune in, dpb
xanthyos: jew comments great
bagels7: how the hell can I make 5 digits doing THAT
xanthyos: i thought these people were on a higher tier than the tinychat schlubs
xanthyos: awesome
cazalla: chrome wheels!
BingoBoingo: A maroon pontiac grand prix
danielpbarron: bagels7, try praying to the God of The Bible next time
mthreat: i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too
bagels7: danielpbarron: what other gods are there?
mthreat: where they talk about how to make more money, etc
cazalla: danielpbarron, even Indiana Jones knew God's name is Jehovah (yes, they cherry picked shit like that)
danielpbarron: bagels7, we are all gods
kakobrekla: shut the fuck up.
bagels7: danielpbarron: Now you sound like maryjane
BingoBoingo: #ChromeWheels is our Dog now.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: police scanner << lol, there's still a city where police radio is plaintext ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, trunked I imagine. Long periods of silence though so maybe this is the channel of least interest.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: outcome where the police lose << what's that look like? rioters bulldoze all the way to washington ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or instead they start a Caliphate in Eastern Missouri.
asciilifeform: 'Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason.' (tm)
asciilifeform: police - don't lose.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud ESS
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danielpbarron: bagels7, http://www.atruechurch.info/murray.html Is it not written in your law, "I said, 'You are gods'"? If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken), do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming," because I said, "I am the Son of God"? (John 10:34-36, bold added)
assbot: A True Church - Arnold Murray ... ( http://bit.ly/1znfldH )
mircea_popescu: anyone know what this "ESS" is supposed to be in "natural law" clueless nitwittery ?
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mircea_popescu: <mthreat> i know there's a strippers forum online, there's probably a prostitute one too << there';s at least a hundred, of each.
bagels7: mircea_popescu: It seems comon for agencies to take half
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: photo is not distinguishable from a 'maidan' scene
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: (yes, we know it was another animal, but how can one tell from photo.)
cazalla: undata, it's all white people inside on that video, all black people outside in the other stream i'm watching
undata: cazalla: seems about right
mircea_popescu: spot any milytsia in there ?
BingoBoingo: Tow truck trying to get through
mircea_popescu: cause at the time they were desperate for a friend, a relative, anyone, to hide them somewhere lest they be lynched.
asciilifeform: no ethnic sides in ro afaik
cazalla: i can see borat at bottom left of mid in that image
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BingoBoingo: Whelp, no charges.
BingoBoingo: And the radio feed is silent
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: i like how they have yet to announce the indictment. has it leaked yet?
asciilifeform: wtf is the morse doing in there
asciilifeform: anybody catch it ?
BingoBoingo: I heard
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Seems just announced
BingoBoingo wants to know what happened to maroon grand prix chrome wheels
assbot: Natural law, and the problem of definitions. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1znhcPP )
asciilifeform: lol it's like they broadcast a 'gentlemen, start your engines, riot now'.
decimation: asciilifeform: morse is commonly used in the us by those ignorant of it
decimation: buses, cop radios, etc
asciilifeform: decimation: why ?
decimation: the reason: the FCC requires station identification
decimation: each one of those transmitters is given a special pass from stalin, and he requires continual reminders
asciilifeform: decimation: for police ?!
decimation: absolutely
decimation: after all, there's only one real sovereign
decimation: for instance, to find something in your backyard: http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/results.jsp
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decimation: shit, of course it is web 2.0
mircea_popescu: interesting
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asciilifeform: decimation: actual scanner is more interesting
mircea_popescu: decimation so how come you can put up wireless net ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 2.4G (and a few other bands) are statutorily 'special' in usa
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asciilifeform: ianal - but iirc, only wattage is regulated in the 'license-free' bands
decimation: most of the entries in this database are woefully inaccurate
BingoBoingo: 4 guns stolen out of a vehicle
decimation: mircea_popescu: I've been trying to model a long distance version
decimation: a low speed version is possible without a license
BingoBoingo: 8146044
BingoBoingo: ^ Some sort of code
decimation: asciilifeform: 2.4 ghz and 915 mhz bands alllow 1 watt out of amplifier if the waveform is spread spectrum
danielpbarron: looks like a phone number
decimation: sometimes the morse is a network or channel number
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: They didn't specify an area code, would be necessary. StL metro isn't that small
decimation: the vast majority of police radio systems in the us use 'apco-25'
asciilifeform: project-25'
decimation: typically trunked with a motorola control channel
decimation: exactly
decimation: project 25 is a study in poorly wraught beltway banditry
asciilifeform: quite a few cities have aes'd project-25 (sometimes with null key, perversely)
bagels7: oman is weird, they have transsexual women but being gay is illegal. must be a rich country
mircea_popescu: it is rich yes.
assbot: Arkansas men file lawsuit over police encryption - Washington Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1znjqPd )
decimation: scanner listening used to only be a hobby for a few harmless weirdos
asciilifeform: afaik gestapo (fbi, dea, dhs, etc., etc) are 100% crypted now
asciilifeform: and no lawsuits.
decimation: then the 'iphone-streaming remote scanner apps' became popular
decimation: and the poor innocents that undata lauds suddenly listened with intense interest
undata: decimation: what are you talking about?
decimation: feds have been encrypted for a much longer time
decimation: undata: the poor blacks that are constantly murdered by the police
decimation: and not each other
assbot: No indictment of Darren Wilson in the shooting of Michael Brown. Heading to /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash tomorrow. See you soon.
BingoBoingo: THROWING AMMUNITION?
undata: decimation: where do you live?
decimation: in the us
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo why the heck is she involved, wasn't she doing finance ?
undata: this "but they shoot each other" thing misses the point entirely
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's what I thought.
undata: the thing I hate is the bullshit
mircea_popescu: apparently professionalism isn't what it used to be
BingoBoingo: Maybe its recreational mircea_popescu "disaster tourism"
decimation: I've always wondered why there's no 'tour the ghetto' bus in wash dc or baltimore
asciilifeform was taken on just such a tour once! private.
decimation: right, but I'm talking about a public tour that leaves from union station every hour
mircea_popescu: decimation there is/(was?) one in south africa.
undata: masturbation everywhere
asciilifeform: yes! even in the midst of civil war - one can still beat off.
undata: asciilifeform: hell, you can go have a picnic and watch depending on the era
asciilifeform: 'the privilege of king and slave alike'
assbot: Police 10 Codes ... ( http://bit.ly/1ph83rP )
BingoBoingo: Windows being broken out, 5-0 is rolling out
undata: decimation: the point I was after is that cops should be obedient slaves to whatever commands them
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: whither the 5- codes?
undata: in cases like this they're just after their own masturbatory power
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: 5-0 is code for the po-po
decimation: 10-codes are another amusing case of sillyness
undata: just like you and your tour
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: from what period/place ?
decimation: it turns out that every juristidiction uses thier own codes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Everyone around here calls police the 5-0
asciilifeform did not know this
undata: decimation: I'm certain you'll get to see the cop tanks and other fun toys oppressing whites before long
asciilifeform: undata: already old news. boston, etc
undata: I'm sure you'll just decide they're "white niggers" and enjoy it
undata: and so on
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decimation: asciilifeform: http://www.bearcat1.com/radiomd.htm here is a nice list of every county in maryland
assbot: RADIO CODES & SIGNALS - MARYLAND ... ( http://bit.ly/1znltmr )
asciilifeform: decimation: i've found that documents like this are absurdly out of date, in all cases.
asciilifeform: decimation: typically they are the product of someone typing up an ancient, yellowed 'radio amateurs guide'
decimation: asciilifeform: that one is pretty accurate at least as of a few years ago
asciilifeform: some things never move
asciilifeform: e.g., national time stations
decimation: at any rate, it is amusing in its non-uniformity - 10-60 in anne arundel is 'squad in area' while in pg it is 'bad check written'
decimation: at any rate, it's easy enought to waste some time listening yourself
decimation: it's pointless to want to listen to the encrypted channels anyway, because my experience was that before the cops had crypto they would just use a cell phone
BingoBoingo: Looting the Boost Mobile of all places?
decimation: actually WWV recently started broadcasting on 25 MHz again: http://www.arrl.org/news/wwv-s-25-mhz-signal-back-on-the-air
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BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: Oh, squad 238 is retreating
asciilifeform: i've always wondered if police radio schemes like p25 are vulnerable to replay attacks.
BingoBoingo: Nevermind, staying put for now
asciilifeform: never gave enough of a shit to comb through the published specs to answer this riddle
asciilifeform: a 'wasp' could sow some very thick confusion via replay, even if he cannot decode.
decimation: asciilifeform: someone already did it for you! http://www.crypto.com/papers/p25sec.pdf
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they are afaik
asciilifeform: note that portable radios have no countermeasure against the elementary traffic analysis needed to find message boundaries
asciilifeform: so anything you replay is a valid 'police order'
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, I believe the 'metadata' is contained in the unencrypted header
mircea_popescu: moreover, decrypting p25 is no feat
asciilifeform: decimation: that was the 'thy use null keys' result
mircea_popescu: should come to bitcents per message.
asciilifeform: if correctly configured - 256bit aes
asciilifeform: but here's a little mindfuck (afaik, discussed nowhere)
asciilifeform: betcha there are speech-modulated analogue artifacts in the transmissions.
mircea_popescu: isn't that the 14 round braindead aes ?
asciilifeform: !s microphonics
decimation: "All models of P25 radios of which we are aware will
decimation: receive any traffic sent in the clear even when they are
decimation: in encrypted mode."
asciilifeform: then - doesn't matter what kind of cipher
asciilifeform: if microphonics.
cazalla: <BingoBoingo> https://twitter.com/hashtag/FergusonLootCrew?src=hash <<< this is to troll alex jones, again
assbot: Tweets about #FergusonLootCrew hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1pha878 )
Vexual: i think the change they keys up too
asciilifeform: you read it here phirst (afaik) (tm)
asciilifeform: gotta understand, if above hypothesis is correct, they can use one time pad - and still be transparently readable.
decimation: asciilifeform: that would be pretty elementry
asciilifeform: would be interesting to take one of these radios and look for correlation between, say, amplitude - or carrier freq drift - and input audio
asciilifeform: good student project.
decimation: mircea_popescu apparently has pill for aes
BingoBoingo: Sending Tac in
mircea_popescu: decimation afaik the pill has been around 4ever ?
mircea_popescu: or w/e, 2006.
decimation: link?
BingoBoingo: Shots fired across from ferguson pd
decimation: heh okay 2^126.4 work for 128-bit aes
decimation: I'm not too worried
asciilifeform: generally papers where you clobber something that has one (or both) hands tied behind its back - are not very exciting.
mircea_popescu: 2*39 time to recover the complete 256-bit key of a 9-round version http://eprint.iacr.org/2009/374
assbot: Cryptology ePrint Archive: Report 2009/374 ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbezO )
asciilifeform: but it gives the overall flavour of approaches used by the folks with 'acres of crays', yes.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, these are maximal.
mircea_popescu: and they rely on good entropy
mircea_popescu: and on the attacker not using side channels
asciilifeform: the actual 'pill' consists of knowing the class of weak keys.
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform we are the folk with acres of crays. like no others.
asciilifeform: which - i suspect - can be proven to exist in the general case.
Vexual: where will you find a police radio?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: ebay
joecool_: try craigslist
decimation: Vexual: you can buy on ebay actually
BingoBoingo: Oh two separate calls for tactical team backup nao
Vexual: really? I was gonna put on my best sherrif voice and call gme
decimation: in the us, the usg takes that kind of thing very seriously
BingoBoingo: Allegedly...
BingoBoingo: White Pontiac no plates
assbot: Inspection Van | Part15.us ... ( http://bit.ly/1phbOxG )
joecool: lol
joecool: rip police car
BingoBoingo: Shots fired at the police department
decimation: that's not going to end well
BingoBoingo: Boston 11 Boston 92
decimation: asciilifeform: I found your ip flood amusing - all upnp hilarity
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Vexual: I guess if P25 is breakable theres a reason it hasn't popped up at defon or some such
decimation: what is 'defon'?
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
Vexual: defcon
BingoBoingo: Prolly going to be some sweet videos on WOrld Star Hiphop tomorrow
decimation: Vexual: the above pdf I linked was a usenix, which was kind of a more civilized defcon
Vexual: oh
decimation: but the point is the weakness isn't the crypto, it's probably all the other stuff mircea_popescu + that paper mentioned
decimation: ie the fact that non-technical cops are going to have to actually use them
mircea_popescu: and they have to fit in portable instruments
mircea_popescu: and on and on
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 331500 | Current Difficulty: 4.03000303278914E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 332639 | Next Difficulty In: 1139 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 39445747976.3 | Estimated Percent Change: -2.11981
Vexual: and they get shitty when it doesn't work and go back to analogue uhf
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 292532262.238
assbot: Obama’s request for BlackBerry ‘bothered a lot of people’: ex-NSA official - NY Daily News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phd1EY )
BingoBoingo: Helicopter is down to 15 minutes of fuel
mircea_popescu: 3TH/s means, for the record, at something like 150 "times" per hash, that the bitcoin network does ~2**50 time as-is.
assbot: IN CLAYTON: A few eggs thrown, but no other reaction from the small crowd outside the county Justice Center : News ... ( http://bit.ly/1phdxmt )
mircea_popescu: a bitcoin's worth what, ~2**60 time each.
decimation: at least, a transaction is
mircea_popescu: decimation just trying to put in perspective the "time" in academic crypto paper.
mircea_popescu: breakage of a cypher that resists to 2**39 time costs roughly speaking a satoshi.
decimation: right, which is why no one uses 1024 rsa anymore (at least anyone who matters)
mircea_popescu: decimation if you think the shocking stupidity of people like "silk road operators" occurs in a vacuum, let me remind you of the special agent that solved the case by excel spreadsheet.
mircea_popescu: and of the bank that did, too.
decimation: good crypto is really hard to implement
decimation: and the dunning-kruger effect is strong
ben_vulpes: the donkey kong is strong with this one
mircea_popescu: all this of course presupposes anyone gives a shit as to what fbi agents say to each other.,
mircea_popescu: this is the tallest order in the whole discussion.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather watch flies fuck./
decimation: mircea_popescu: or what obama says?
mircea_popescu: he can put it on his blog or w/e he has there,
asciilifeform: the folks who care about intercept of grunt radios - are concerned with tactic, not strategy.
mircea_popescu: i'll get to it eventually.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i thought flies spawned and didn't actually fuck
BingoBoingo: Oh, police may have lost a radio
decimation: one could re-interpret the entire military-industrial-intel complex as a giant ego-trip
asciilifeform: that is, the immediate question of whether 'they' are on the way to your sector.
asciilifeform: and with what.
BingoBoingo: 60324 walkie
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess.
asciilifeform: it's quite like naval codes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller well they must do something at some point...
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » White House Security ... ( http://bit.ly/1phfdMQ )
asciilifeform: who the fuck cares whether uss fucktarditz is on its way to the north atlantic
asciilifeform: except for those paid to care.
decimation: asciilifeform: you can see the self-licking ice cream cone here
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're down to finding out about this trhough its own radio chatter...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nah. through radio chatter the week before in port.
asciilifeform: just example.
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: notice many armchair generals in the world. even armchair admirals.
asciilifeform: but no armchair sergeants.
asciilifeform: because how.
mircea_popescu: i confess i don't believe in this jit style of military operations.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu believes in reconnaissance-by-fire ?
decimation: mircea_popescu: I agree with you. one of the downfalls of the us is the large standing army of volunteers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much.
decimation: a military of conscripts has the benefit of 1.) cannon fodder and 2.) actual people that can be sorted into leadership
mircea_popescu: maybe i'm too used to running campaigns where the "enemy" can't even muster the courage to use its materiel.
asciilifeform: thing is, enemy who has bureaucracy coming out of his ears - is an open book.
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
decimation: asciilifeform: good point, in order to coordinate bureaucratically one nearly always must have enemy agents 'in the loop'
Vexual: thats some art of war stuff there ascii
asciilifeform: point was much simpler. re: why radio in port.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let me articulate my objection better, out of respect for the attention it's getting.
mircea_popescu: man is given voice to hide his thoughts. your enemy is not to be trusted. why would you trust x thing he's SAYING ? sure, maybe it's true, maybe it doesn't realise you're listening. after you use it, he will. if he's too stupid to, you won't need it anyway. if you need it, you probably should not be fighting anyway.
mircea_popescu: makes sense ?
asciilifeform: this assumes opponent with functioning brain
asciilifeform: retarded child can actually say 'now i will shit' - and then do it
mircea_popescu: if his brain is not functioning you need not pay attention to him.
mircea_popescu: i don't watch water in the eyes while pouring it.
asciilifeform: he can still take the shit
mircea_popescu: i do watch large cat in the eyes while petting it
mircea_popescu: but, anyway, let anyone fighting a war fight it the way he deems most convenient, who am i to intercede.
decimation: http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/secret-service-requires-female-agents-meet-lower-physical-strength-standards-male-agents_808441.html "According to the Secret Service, a male recruit in his twenties needs to perform 11 chin-ups to receive an "excellent" rating; performing four chin-ups or fewer would disqualify him from serving as a Secret Service agent. But for a female recruit in her twenties, four chin-ups would earn her an "
assbot: Secret Service Requires Female Agents to Meet Lower Physical Strength Standards Than Male Agents | The Weekly Standard ... ( http://bit.ly/1phgNOK )
decimation: excellent" rating; just one chin-up is enough for her to avoid the disqualifying "very poor" rating."
mircea_popescu: decimation this makes sense. do the experiment yourself, make juciy ass 21yo chicks do chinups.
decimation: I believe usg military doesn't even require one chinup from females - just 'bent arm hang'
mircea_popescu: then look how the shoulders and arms look of a (always titless) woman that can do 11
Vexual: I don't suppose they mean to say the girls aren't allowed to be as strong as the men
BingoBoingo: Injured Journalist nao
decimation: reality must intercede somewhere into usg's neat pronoucements
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nubbins`: 8 layers down, 2 to go
asciilifeform: fact is, they have a bottomless supply of proper grunts
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i thought you were stripping. scam.
asciilifeform: and can afford (or think they can) the charity cases.
nubbins`: i am
nubbins`: it's an ABC party
Vexual: thats that pussy pink inkl you never bought
decimation: asciilifeform: that might be true today, but at the current trajectory (when the females are all in management) will it be true in 20 years?
asciilifeform: decimation: they are already in management
asciilifeform: decimation: familiar with the infamous u.s. navy captains ?
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer33
mircea_popescu: !up Flyer9933
nubbins`: too many flyers
Vexual: nice gold
assbot: CAPT. HOLLY GRAF ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhtDR )
decimation: !up GNULinuxGuy
asciilifeform: there are at least 3 famous one
decimation: nubbins`: very pretty cover
mircea_popescu: [The two Democratic fundraisers that Obama attended brought in roughly $3.5 million (source). So it would have been far cheaper for taxpayers if Obama had stayed in Washington and the U.S. Treasury had written a $3.5 million check to the Democratic Party.]
nubbins`: tyvm
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama saved by the fighter jet that he canceled ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhyYb )
nubbins`: much work so far
mircea_popescu: and this was in 2010.
mircea_popescu: excellent example of why corruption is not the worst problem in a state.
decimation: mircea_popescu: except legally those actions were 'not corrupt'
BingoBoingo: Second police car down "marked county police car fully engulfed in flames"
assbot: First female warship captain stripped of command over affair allegations(Royal Navy) ... ( http://bit.ly/1phhSWS )
thestringpuller: ;;ud hnic
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HNIC | HNIC. acronym for Head Nigga In Charge. Contrary to public opinion, *slams fist on table* ... "There is only one boss here, and that's me, the HNIC!" -Joe Clark.
mircea_popescu: decimation but if they were corruption, it'd be cheaper.
BingoBoingo: Looter also maybe smarted up, at a bank nao?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't get this. what exactly about being a rabid slut makes a woman unfit to command ?
decimation: yeah. In china, there's more of a "the boss can profit if the project works" mentality I am told
BingoBoingo: Also they used the retreat word on the radio
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the slut part, the nepotism and resulting umbrella over incompetent fucktoy subordinates
Vexual: nubs: on the satin black its remenicent of leatherbound
mircea_popescu: ah that.
asciilifeform: but perhaps that is like saying that it is not the bullet that is a problem, but the bullet hole.
mircea_popescu: honestly, the only appeal i see to a life in the military is having a bunch of sex slave commanding officers.
mircea_popescu: kinda like that guy in prison that had the guards tattooed and whatnot
decimation: mircea_popescu: that's 'fraternization'
decimation: it would be 'corrupt' you see
asciilifeform: when this becomes 'a thing' and the overall purpose of organization is subverted, long and hard enough - it dies.
mircea_popescu: well, it'd be fun anyway.
asciilifeform: fun on the correct end of the barrel, yes.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo share some local news links
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assbot: St. Louis County Police Scanner on USTREAM: This is an audio stream of the St. Louis County Police scanners.Ferguson PDRIOT-ARIOT-BRIOT-CRIOT-DRIOT-E... ... ( http://bit.ly/1phiwDC )
BingoBoingo: Police said "skirmish line"
decimation: conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. "
assbot: It's looking like Gotham in STL tonight. /hashtag/prayforSTL?src=hash http://t.co/alZecZclSH
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Vexual: swamp=gotham?
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah the rediculous helicopters are amusing
BingoBoingo: http://www.stltoday.com/ >> linked the scribble live login
assbot: St. Louis Sports, News, Jobs, Classifieds, Entertainment & Weather ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPsHQ4 )
BingoBoingo: Instead of the story
mircea_popescu: <decimation> conquest's third law: "The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies. " <<< quite.
assbot: Ferguson reaction: Violent protests, shots fire outside PD HQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPsXi2 )
BingoBoingo: "Quiet Sunflower, Quiet Sunflower"
BingoBoingo: ^ Has to be a code word
decimation: start the napalm?
Vexual: get some donuts?
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asciilifeform: qualified snipers.
mircea_popescu: this absolutely us fascination with "codewords"
mircea_popescu: it melts the brain
undata: they're going to milk the shit out of that burning car picture
BingoBoingo: Grocery store beiseiged by masked protesters with 10 employees inside. Walgreens looted
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nubbins`: "protesters"
Vexual: and or
nubbins`: drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene
decimation: mircea_popescu: actually there is some 'pushback' against it, because of its tardation: http://www.telegram.com/article/20091029/NEWS/910290685/0
assbot: In plain English - Worcester Telegram & Gazette - telegram.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPtS1V )
undata: seems it doesn't matter precisely what "demonstrators" do, so long as they "demonstrate" disorder
BingoBoingo: Heart attack at the fire station
undata: I don't know that stealing shit is any less legitimate than burning cop cars
undata: nor that legitimacy is the question
BingoBoingo: Force is the legitimacy
nubbins`: still following the guy w/ the vodka
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> drunk man with bottle of absolut heading to scene << lawl.
decimation: Pour la canaille: Faut la mitraille.
nubbins`: mp srsly there's a cop on the radio giving updates on him
nubbins`: HE IS WEARING A BLUE COAT
undata: nubbins`: that's his bidness coat
Vexual: i got this
mircea_popescu: wait i thought you were being parodical.
BingoBoingo: Someone has been shot
mircea_popescu: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/ << research that mothers are boring and ineffectual childcarers. and other stuff.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPukgt )
mircea_popescu: . “Researchers have revealed a robust association between father absence—both physical and psychological—and accelerated reproductive development and sexual risk-taking in daughters,”
mircea_popescu: single mothers raise sluts? who knew!
undata: fascinating that it has some biology behind it though
Vexual: ug
mircea_popescu: anyway, the quoted explaination is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: the mechanism is quite simple : if the males are absent the population is under threat and it must be supported biologically.
asciilifeform: wai wat, that was an explanation ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, im not quoting the blather.
BingoBoingo: Walgreens is now on fire, guessing they already took all of the cool drugs
Vexual: beats freud
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mechanism is observable in rats and other rodents (where, iirc, sex ratios skew towards males in lean times)
mircea_popescu: yup. even in insects.
decimation: "During rough-and-tumble play like this, fathers tend to use playful teasing to “destabilize children both emotionally and cognitively,” which children like—despite the seemingly ominous implications of the word “destabilizing.”"
mircea_popescu: it's one of those fundamental apis of reality that'd be implemented in all species-language
asciilifeform: !s r-strategy
mircea_popescu: decimation this is true, and you can diagnose it in adults by their reaction to minor destabilisation.
undata: also obvious, I would think
mircea_popescu: one of those few things people can't lie about.
nubbins`: mcd's on fire
Vexual: now burger king
asciilifeform: funny how nothing but the designated 'kindling' is ever burned up in u.s. riots.
nubbins`: leave wendy's until they get rid of the pretzel burge
BingoBoingo: Fire Department/Human Shields en route to Walgreens
decimation: mircea_popescu: yeah, generally people tend to appreciate people who upset their worldview
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if the rats set fire to the lab, what'd you expect they'd burn ? the cages or the files ?
asciilifeform: lol right
mircea_popescu: decimation noi lol, generally they don't.
decimation: asciilifeform: this is a set-peice opera, with each side playing their part
mircea_popescu: rarely they do, but that's ok, because rarely people are worth bothering with
asciilifeform: decimation: abundantly obvious
decimation: mircea_popescu: generally only in retrospect
mircea_popescu: so is this us engaging in honor-burning of mcdonalds ?
BingoBoingo: It might be.
BingoBoingo: Police seem more concerned with the Walgreens though
decimation: it's traditional that the businesses that cater to the ghetto are the first ones visited with destruction
decimation: !up Vexual
Vexual: hehe
undata: attacking the symbols of merica
undata: I guess walmart's next?
decimation: !up Fergudishu
mircea_popescu: i thought obama was the only symbol america needed.
nubbins`: HOPE
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nubbins`: Fergudishu holy fuck there's a trollbox?!?!
Vexual: I'm not sure you can describe humans much at all with rats
Fergudishu: nubbins`: yes
decimation: asciilifeform: of course, you are familiar with that set of people who are 'professional anarchists'
nubbins`: white male w/ flag bandana wanted for torching cop car
assbot: LIVE: Reaction on the streets of Ferguson to Grand Jury Decision - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPwhtq )
asciilifeform is also familiar with the set of people who are paid to hunt all day, every day, for new 'outrages' of the kind required to set up 'a ferguson'
BingoBoingo: WHITE MALE set a police car on fire
Fergudishu: false flag
undata: mircea_popescu: "now now now I know this is a complex and divisive issue..."
nubbins`: it was a false flag indeed
undata: that fucking guy can't even squeeze out a statement that has a drop of meaning in it
nubbins`: apparently the flag isn't supposed to be used as a bandana
decimation: asciilifeform: a 'self-licking ice cream cone' indeed
decimation: lol that trollbox is gonna explode
nubbins`: it's crazier than the one on jd
Fergudishu: nubbins`: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bassemmasri that has 85k people watching and a trollbox lmao
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asciilifeform: !s yi yi zhi yi
undata: there's serious cognitive dissonance here
undata: this government kills people around the world with flying robots
BingoBoingo: undata: Maybe some of us want both sides to lose?
undata: BingoBoingo: no not in #ba
Vexual: yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4
asciilifeform: anyone who thinks this is a 'popular grievance' thing - how many u.s. folks were fucked over in real estate, other chumpatrons? how many of the perpetrators burned?
asciilifeform: right - zero.
asciilifeform: the mob riots at lizard hitler's pleasure, for his purposes.
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assbot: BREAKING NOW: NYPD Commissioner Bratton was just splattered with fake blood at /hashtag/Ferguson?src=hash protest via /jeffrae http://t.co/2JTLRoEMlg
undata: the cognitive dissonance is the thought that a government that has made its *business* killing innocents would protect some guy gunned down in its own streets
decimation: undata: what weight do you lend to the fact that the guy was a thug who just finished robbing a store?
undata: decimation: as someone said above, the rules of engagement in afghanistan were stricter
asciilifeform: local police will be partially disarmed and yet more bureaucratized, yes. and ultimately - subordinated and absorbed into a national gendarmerie.
asciilifeform: as is the plan.
asciilifeform: have to be blind, not to see this.
cazalla: undata, why the sympathy for a nignog that got what he deserved?
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah that's probably true
asciilifeform: 'fergusons' - have a purpose.
undata: cazalla: I don't care about the individual
cazalla: i mean really, the shop owner who he stole from should've done what the cop did
undata: the trend is as asciilifeform describes
decimation: only the 'national guard of the people' can be entrusted with the revolution
asciilifeform: in the end, gendarmerie 'democratizer' baton will roger black and white alike
decimation: undata: perhaps those loose 'rules of engagement' were a tacit acknowledgement of reality?
undata: decimation: that's not a call a beat cop gets to make
asciilifeform: !s democratizer
Vexual: let the rioters decide
decimation: what should he do, phone washington for instructions?
asciilifeform: ^ utterly broken search in #b-a
asciilifeform: what part of 'i do not want to see anything without this word' is hard to understand ?
asciilifeform: FUCK 'user-friendliness'
asciilifeform: the search box - is a disgrace.
undata: asciilifeform: searchifility
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah you need a --no-stem option
asciilifeform: non-retardation is not optional.
asciilifeform: this is 'systemd' all over again.
undata: decimation: the guy shouldn't have shot a guy for yelling at him
decimation: well, he could have been yelling, or he could have been charging with a suspicious object
decimation: I guess the grand jury heard enough evidence either way
undata: yeah 20 mouthbreathing average fucks decided
undata: case closed
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> yeah, and ive never given negative fuck b4 << im kinda with him on this one.,
decimation wasn't there, didn't see, can only witness the results
undata: there's video of this; I watched it. The guy didn't "charge"
undata: there's plenty you can't see, but he's just standing there yelling, then on the street dead
Vexual: mircea_popescu: If this was planes landing fast in gotham, I could understand the excitement
undata: haven't heard a single person say "maybe the cop just lacked trigger discipline and was otherwise a coward"
mircea_popescu: <undata> the trend is as asciilifeform describes << how could it not be ? who the fuck ever heard of soviets in soviet russia.
mircea_popescu: a, right, decimation said it first.
mircea_popescu: and better.
asciilifeform: the notion that a riot in modern usa can happen - and persist - 'naturally' - is horseshit of the first order.
asciilifeform: if it is happening, it is on lizard hitler's nod.
asciilifeform: if not direct order.
asciilifeform: in what riot was 'goldman sachs' burned ?
mircea_popescu: the us wants to be like the uk! and pretend it can riot!
mircea_popescu: why you piss on parade.
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decimation: asciilifeform: as they say in dc, never waste a good crisis
undata: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: I don't know, we'll see
decimation: asciilifeform: if anything, this violence is quite unimpressive compared to the 60's
undata: we've rioted before
Vexual: punkman could getin there and riot the pants off very fool in it
asciilifeform: 60s << there are swaths of dc, even, that are still 'berlin 1945'
decimation: but aging hippies are still around, still have friends
asciilifeform: not to mention ny, detroit, etc
asciilifeform: note which swaths.
asciilifeform: not the lizard quarters.
undata: don't get me wrong; most of it is limp dicked twitter protest
mircea_popescu: whadda ya mean 'berlin 1945' ?
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu pointed out - lab rats - will burn own cages.
asciilifeform: if only because nothing else is accessible.
asciilifeform: 1945 << ruins.
decimation: nor can they imagine anything else exists
mircea_popescu: mentally accessible, yes.
undata: asciilifeform: and hell, there were bombings back then
mircea_popescu: ant bites your hand, not your scrotum
undata: it's not so that the US never had actual protest
asciilifeform: there was a time before 'well-trained masses' when actual 'pinkertons' has to man actual gatling guns to keep the mob in its proper street
undata: I think things are going to get ugly here; it's just going to take an economic shock along with
Vexual: greeks throw some rocks, yell loug and go home to spill some souvlaki on their bear, let the givt think about it
undata: you combine militarized police with a currency crisis, something of that nature, then maybe
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undata: or better stated, right now the protesters still have somewhere to go home to
asciilifeform: and others.
undata: I'd like to see what happens when they do not
undata: 5 years, 10?
cazalla: undata, you want to avoid this?
undata: cazalla: "I'd like to see"
undata: hell no
asciilifeform: undata: the folks 'who do not' - today - are they in a mob? what have they burned?
asciilifeform: or do they simply 'go gently into that good night' somehow
asciilifeform: as invariably happens.
asciilifeform: sometimes - with help, sometimes - without
asciilifeform: herr orlov: 'you will know that collapse has happened only when it happens to you.'
assbot: Study: US attracting fewer educated, highly skilled migrants | UW Today ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPARYL )
decimation: "While 27 percent of migrating professionals among the sample group chose the U.S. as a destination in 2000, in 2012 just 13 percent did. The decline was seen across professionals with bachelor’s, master’s and doctoral degrees."
decimation: the relative winners: africa, latin america, ocean, asia
Vexual: what do you like about living in the us asciilifeform?
asciilifeform: plenty of would-be pilots for the wooden cargo-cult airplane.
undata: asciilifeform: I'd think it depends on how many
undata: but it's not a simple thing to predict
asciilifeform: Vexual: i've never lived anywhere else as an adult
asciilifeform: Vexual: so cannot properly answer
Vexual: you left ussr?
asciilifeform: as a boy.
asciilifeform: technically, it left first.
Vexual: oh
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
assbot: Heavy Police Presence In Ferguson To Ensure Residents Adequately Provoked | The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPBscU )
undata: BingoBoingo: haaah
undata: the news cycles on these things are heading towards the minutes-scale
undata: what were we talking about?
undata: my selfish concern is that the goddamn american roof falls in before I've vacated the building.
undata: it probably will
asciilifeform: i'm fairly certain this will happen in my case.
asciilifeform: what can i say, not everybody gets to 'take the train out of berlin a day before everyone else'
asciilifeform: !s gravity well
decimation: unfortunately, there's not an 'american frontier' to emigrate to these days
asciilifeform: south pole?
undata: melt antarctica?
undata: ha
asciilifeform: i hear the last u.s. icebreaker has broken down.
decimation: millions of times easier to do it there than in space
asciilifeform: so, it may actually be a non-usg zone until it is repaired.
Vexual: where is it?
decimation: or... in a submarine
asciilifeform: and yes, much easier than in space.
asciilifeform: or in submarine, at least while usg undersea stationary sonar arrays function.
asciilifeform: *or than in submarine
Vexual: this reminds me of the first time i saw douglas mawson smiling back at me fron the $100 note
decimation: asciilifeform: usg radio chatter, ready for you to listen: http://usa-satcom.com/operation-deep-freeze-2014/
assbot: Operation Deep Freeze 2014 | USA-Satcom ... ( http://bit.ly/1yPCllO )
asciilifeform: why me.
decimation: you mentioned the 'radio in port' earlier, plus the south pole
asciilifeform: i also mentioned 'folks paid to give a damn'
asciilifeform: like, if mircea_popescu figures correctly, orlov
asciilifeform: if his check from moscow didn't bounce - he can listen.
decimation: eh, I bet orlov is more in the send rather than receive racket
undata: if I had a few mil, I'd try to build a greenhouse on a barge
undata: and I'd just leave
undata: head for the south pacific or something
asciilifeform: undata: generally folks with a liquid, detachable (!) 1mil usd - have considerably more that is left behind, like the early stages of a rocket
decimation: at any rate, for folks with the skills, one can track most aircraft at will
asciilifeform: try moving your only 1mil overseas, intact
asciilifeform: see also mircea_popescu's article 'on your way out of the gravity well, this awaits you'
undata: asciilifeform: next years business income will be put to work purchasing BTC
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asciilifeform: ^ yes that one
decimation: I bet problems like that one can be solved... by pay money to the right agents
asciilifeform: can be solved in 100 ways
asciilifeform: but they all involve some kind of burn.
asciilifeform: hence - rocket metaphor.
decimation: if you want to 'build slowly' usg will be interested in your form 8938
asciilifeform: to usg, you are a resource. a head of cattle. who lets a cow go ?
asciilifeform: only when its teat is empty of milk, and then the hide is emptied of skin, can there be any question of 'letting it go.' and even then, someone might like to tan your hide.
asciilifeform: *hide emptied of meat
asciilifeform ought to goto bed
Vexual: this is why theres some nutters floating around the indian ocean ex capetown
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decimation: asciilifeform: I wish usg took more of interest in raising quality rather than maximal extraction
asciilifeform: lol, quality
asciilifeform: dem0cr4cy!!
undata: nah, just get more plastic shit on the shelves
asciilifeform: rivers'o'meat.
kakobrekla: fuckin vexual spamming my bashes
decimation: yeah, that's the trend for the past 200 years
Vexual: what did i do now?
asciilifeform: does 'bash' even still work.
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kakobrekla: what do you mean?
asciilifeform: aha i recall, kakobrekla has to manually pick the goodies every now and again from it
Vexual: jorov too i expect
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kakobrekla: myea gotta get to it soon.
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undata: goodnight all; I'm going to make like a good russian in '90 and drink
Vexual: kudos
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