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nubbins` raises other eyebrow
nubbins`: anyone else around?
mircea_popescu: careful you might run out.
Duffer1: moo?
dub: i agree with nubbins`
nubbins`: try passphrases kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA and BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ
nubbins`: paste addresses here
Duffer1: 1P2vYukzmiGp5B7otkDakvubVFmkiv7b3y
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dude srsly you ended up with the magic salt
mircea_popescu: fell on the exact bundle pw ?
nubbins` slowly reaches for gun
nubbins`: no man
mircea_popescu: do you even know what the odds are ?!
mike_c: 13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e / 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64
nubbins`: kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawaZG9ndU7hfTd8CBHSTCCffSdzLA as passphrase produces 13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e
mircea_popescu: what the shit.
nubbins`: mike_c: +1
Duffer1: fascinating
nubbins`: something's fucked somewhere
nubbins`: with several of you
mircea_popescu: 19xKa5GkCBFM9XnEcHp1mjoiXi7x7oXKzn <<<
mircea_popescu: let me take a ss just in case.
mircea_popescu: maybe im putting it in the wrong hole.
nubbins`: er sorry
BingoBoingo: I thought brainwallet was known to be retarded for some time
mircea_popescu: it has been, yes
mircea_popescu: this seems a novel sparkle tho
mod6: yikes
nubbins`: wtf?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` am i doing it right ?
mircea_popescu: lemme paste the js
mike_c: mircea_popescu: whitespace matters
mircea_popescu: mike_c where ?
Duffer1: 13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e / 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64
mircea_popescu: i have no whitespace.
mike_c: in the passphrase.. if you have any
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i verified w/ a brainwallet generator i wrote myself
mircea_popescu: so im on the brainwallet orphan chain over here ?
nubbins` throws up hands
mike_c: doge-brain
nubbins`: i have no idea what your cpu is smoking
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i have no idea what your cpu is smoking26d8fca64af52e7712a8ed89e8fd34ce9b22ee5e2b1800776cbb1434c200825d -
mircea_popescu: it can't be the case it can hash here but not there, my cpu
nubbins`: <nubbins`> i have no idea what your cpu is smoking26d8fca64af52e7712a8ed89e8fd34ce9b22ee5e2b1800776cbb1434c200825d -
dub: someone swapped your CPU for a potato
mike_c: this has gotta be a JS thing.
nubbins`: just put a single "1" in the passphrase
nubbins`: brainwallet.github.io
mircea_popescu: oh, make passphrase = 1
mircea_popescu: 17oEDveGfjVDuMyxbTHT6vw1Qvu2w2k9aV
mike_c: 12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ
mircea_popescu: obviously.
nubbins`: 12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ
dub: 12AKRNHpFhDSBDD9rSn74VAzZSL3774PxQ
nubbins`: hahahah
nubbins`: protip: "secret exponent" = sha256sum
mircea_popescu: 5a692302f4231563cfeedaec090567e2477cebfa67d27d016a017bcd64c01911 5JW712UGBYBxp3UGNSzcQBGnPdpAsQMRKcczWJP8SJ65hiHV5WU
nubbins`: if your secret exponent is not 6b86b273ff34fce19d6b804eff5a3f5747ada4eaa22f1d49c01e52ddb7875b4b then something is borked
mircea_popescu: something is defo borked.
nubbins`: well i guess your week just got interesting
mircea_popescu: i guess it helps that i just wasn't using braindamage.org anyway
nubbins`: anyway. does anyone know how the fuck deeds generates these brainwallet passphrases? :D
nubbins`: 'cause i'm at a loss
asciilifeform: brainwallet was known to be retarded for some time << brainwallet is a fully-automatic iq test.
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1MVA1HS.txt )
nubbins`: seems like punkbot is the iq tes
asciilifeform: unrelated: https://archive.org/details/HowToStartYourOwnCountry << a little riot of a book. no-bullshit guide to (failed) attempts at ab initio sovereignty. (i met the author in person, incidentally. fun fella.)
asciilifeform never knew it was on the net, was actually about to w4r3z sc4n it & post, then found...
TheNewDeal: what in the hell is that
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: old book.
TheNewDeal: nonono, the js dump
asciilifeform: deedbot?
asciilifeform: or possibly 'brainwallet' ?
asciilifeform: aha brainwallet.
nubbins`: deeds is voodoo
nubbins`: 50 satoshi says it's generating random addresses
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal it's the dump of js as loaded on my system, because somehow it doesn't come to the same results as other people here.
mircea_popescu: yes, brainwallet.org thing
asciilifeform oils, waits for clients
mircea_popescu: *actual results could significantly differ
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i may have said this in the past, but this is rather like my 'elephant procurement company' (gedankenexperiment)
asciilifeform: i.e., i will procure elephants in a day, but no one will like what it costs.
asciilifeform: ('this' being my - so far hypothetical - little shop of ho^h^hcode review)
asciilifeform: but, at least it promises never to substitute chair leg with sticker 'elephant' on it.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu fwiw the function calc_hash() in your pasted JS is the one doing the lifting
nubbins`: var hash = Crypto.SHA256($('#pass').val(), { asBytes: true });
nubbins`: $('#hash').val(Crypto.util.bytesToHex(hash));
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ricoletta << haw
nubbins`: you may be interested to paste a passphrase and in your JS console, type $('#pass').val()
mircea_popescu: no dragonfly here tho.
nubbins`: no chrome install either, i suppose?
mircea_popescu: heh. nope
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is on doom-playing box!
nubbins`: well i guess you just can't trust random web pages to generate your brainwallets ;D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` which works just as well, as i don't,
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER! it would seem to me this arrangement i got is actually stronger than youze
mircea_popescu: because if i were to use it, and you did get my pw... you still couldn't steal my monyz ?
nubbins`: certainly prevents dem fundz from being stole
nubbins`: "best locks in the world"
mircea_popescu: can.not.be.opened.
nubbins`: "where's the keys?" "what?"
asciilifeform: you still couldn't steal my monyz << reminds me of all the folks with misaligned heads on their floppy drives
asciilifeform: disk would read on given unit and only there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the frist time this happened, 5 inch drives, 11yo or so me & friends
mircea_popescu: it was fucking nuts
asciilifeform: where do you think i stepped in it.
mircea_popescu: we took the unit on a sneakernet see what happens at everyone's house
nubbins`: ;;later tell punkman plz to provide complete pseudocode for deeds
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: this happened, perhaps three or four times, to mine, same era; father took it each time to a greasemonkey in some illicit cellar; it would come back - wrapped in a filthy oilrag - aligned.
asciilifeform: (never saw anything but ru drives misalign.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'The benefits of which one can’t evaluate, the drawbacks of which are certain.' >> obligatory >> http://www.antarctic-circle.org/Shackadvert2.jpg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there actually existed special allignment disks
mircea_popescu: you could fix the thing with a steady hand and an amp
asciilifeform: greasemonkey probably had.
asciilifeform: today - i'd align the bugger myself
asciilifeform: it'd be a diversion.
asciilifeform: but today, other toys.
asciilifeform: familiar << because ~everyone alive has seen it ?
mircea_popescu: for any good definition of "alive".
decimation: asciilifeform: they were gonna launch a rocket tonight, visible from your house
punkbot: nubbins`: No valid deeds found, try again.
decimation: chincoteague
nubbins`: oh ya, must be signed
nubbins`: so much for testing simple case
decimation: wallops island, one of the orbital rockets
ben_vulpes: good god this log
ben_vulpes: what have you been doing
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's not as big as it seems.
decimation: interestingly, it uses "AJ-26" engines, which were 'commercially purchased' by usg from... the soviet moon program
asciilifeform: rocket << must've missed.
decimation: turns out they were sitting surplus in ukraine for 30 years
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski lol negatron brogrammer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: now the grassfuckers in charge buy them and call it 'commercial technology'
asciilifeform: eh, fire sale.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i dropped out
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 9234 - 8414
gribble: 820
ben_vulpes: lines ago
ben_vulpes: HERE WE GO
decimation: we need to move off irc and onto a radio net
asciilifeform: rocket << rescheduled apparently
mircea_popescu: grassfuckers, this is a notable innovation.
decimation: yeah there was a boat in the 'no-boat' box
decimation: I think they are gonna try tomorrow
decimation: i'm sure it will be very bright and visible if it is a clear night
mircea_popescu: decimation are you going to fly any pilot drones around it ?
decimation: not me, I'm a zek
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> it's as if we were still using teletype << funny story, biz partner bought hisself some gps chips
ben_vulpes: had loads of fun discovering the parts of the unix stack responsible for baud rate etc
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no fucking way today's log is 10k
decimation: I bought a chip that puts out 1pps to discipline my ovenized quartz oscillator
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lol off by 10x
asciilifeform: parts of the unix stack responsible for baud rate << i can recite these in my sleep now.
ben_vulpes: me, i mean
decimation: talk about ancient terminal cruft
ben_vulpes: wait no actually mircea_popescu u
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i always found it interesting that synchronous serial (between machines, notably) never caught on.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> in my studies, i'm particularly interested in the 'suck' that no one even notices any more. << so relevant
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: funny, we have physical virtual coins, but most money is in fact virtual physical money instead. << it's all a function of the small amounts of quantity involved.
decimation: asciilifeform: it is used in golden toilet projects
asciilifeform: in golden toilets, usually items like 'can bus'
asciilifeform: and the .mil equivalnet
ben_vulpes: <Abelincoln> << that this is not <Abelincoin> should have been enough to prevent !ups
asciilifeform: *equivalent
asciilifeform: pisses out bits, does not wait for ack
decimation: ah I thought you meant synchronous with the clock line
decimation: http://jproc.ca/crypto/kit223.html << "* Ternary, Binary, (RS-232); or RS-422 "
asciilifeform: brainfart
decimation: apparently usg uses ternary serial
asciilifeform: classic teletype was 2x1trit
mircea_popescu: jurov: instead of -----START/END OF WHATEVER------ use dedicated uncode chars <<< ftr i hate this idea.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> (summary. aliens come, they have males, females, and ooloi. the latter run things and are really the only sentients. humans quickly discover that fucking in 3some with ooloi 'adapter' is the only really fun thing.) << gripping hand?
mircea_popescu: stop making special characters yo. it doesn't scale.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: they used some telepathic voodoo
decimation: asciilifeform: you know what the 'third' charcter was used for?
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, fucking in 3some with me there IS the only really fun thing
ben_vulpes: tbf i forget the nuances
mircea_popescu: fortunately, i don't scale.
decimation: parsing blocks of data...
decimation: delimiting blocks of data I should say
mircea_popescu: coinchimp.com << this website tried to hump my leg.
Duffer1: asciilifeform xenogenesis trilogy?
asciilifeform: Duffer1: aha
ben_vulpes: <undata> dumb; at least they knew to stay away from Django << so much to this
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> undata: it's unfortunate python gets a bad wrap though, Djanga seems more stable than say node.js << RECANT
mircea_popescu: djanga lol.
mircea_popescu: like ganja for dyslexics
decimation: I've tried using some of those python 'frameworks'
decimation: ends up in the garbage
decimation: there's something about trying to make one library to rule them all that attracts a certain kind of busybody
asciilifeform: decimation: 3^3 == 27, can now type.
decimation: asciilifeform: you are implying you can encode the entire alphabet evenly
mircea_popescu: <decimation> there's something about trying to make one library to rule them all that attracts a certain kind of busybody << word. this is EXACTLY the dynamic involved.
asciilifeform can't picture 'django' without picturing the tarantino film
mircea_popescu: psychologically immature fucktards trying to protect themselves from their own insecurity with the world at large.
mircea_popescu: BUT at least back when they were making django they weren't making systemd
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform knows of only one non-retarded object system, CLOS
ben_vulpes: > non retarded object system
ben_vulpes: > common lisp
asciilifeform invites anyone, anywhere, to make this statement false
ben_vulpes: > not sure if trolled
asciilifeform: entirely serious.
ben_vulpes: there's a non retarded object system?
asciilifeform: if i can't meta-object, it's retarded
asciilifeform: and, so far, there's precisely one - where can.
ben_vulpes: meta object?
ben_vulpes: lol 2 lines down
decimation: asciilifeform: on a teletype it's easy to send ternary, just add another symbol
asciilifeform: !s kiczales
decimation: traditionally they were 2-tone fsk, add another tone
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes see, parsing is not as good as compiling.
asciilifeform: !s metaobject
mircea_popescu: come back tomorrow ?
ben_vulpes: search is a day slow
ben_vulpes: interpreting beats compiling again
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: interpreting << my cl system has no interpreter at all.
mircea_popescu: nubsy quits too much. why are canadians such quitters ?
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> major bender or something. << unlike our regular minor benders
mircea_popescu: decimation: why would anyone think it would be a good idea to escape chars below 7 bits? << gpg escapes the dash because it uses a dash-cvomposite as a special char.
decimation: yeah, I see the bind they were in
ben_vulpes: cvomposite - is that a cvasi composite?!
decimation: need to send 7-bit ascii to denote limit
mircea_popescu: cvoopositor.
ben_vulpes: CvLOS
decimation: still, there are plenty of control characters they could have used
decimation: like 0x02
asciilifeform: decimation: nope.
decimation: why not?
asciilifeform: decimation: try it on your terminal / cut&paste system / www turdamatic
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> the GIL is good << aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
asciilifeform: ... email gizmo, bidet.
mircea_popescu: nah, they get wiped everywhere
decimation: yeah that's enraging
mircea_popescu: you can't even rely on /n staying put
mircea_popescu: constantly s/\r// etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall rng model 1 test ?
mircea_popescu: yeah lol. it even got us.
decimation: here's 32 control characters that you can't use.
asciilifeform digs for link
asciilifeform: fscking retardatrons drop chars silently
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd you have them do, replace it with Q ?
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> yes, still for sale << fucking rob him already
ben_vulpes: if its so damn valuable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it occurs to me... since it can only be picked up in person, you should trade it for sex.
decimation: so I guess the alternative is to base64 encode the patches?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> recoleta* << and where for the fleeing usian pauper?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes chacarrita ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform better idea : base-x encode, x = version number.
ben_vulpes: i liked belgrano, seemed modest.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes about the same place.
decimation: why not use ITA2
decimation: if we want to be backwards compatible, might as well go back to 1920's era teletype machines
ben_vulpes: anyways
ben_vulpes: did anyone get in touch with bluematt?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes who'd go over you to do it ? an' why ?
ben_vulpes: well put that way
ben_vulpes: ;;gpginfo bluematt
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: ;;seen bluematt
gribble: I have not seen bluematt.
decimation: ben_vulpes: is the latest patch still yours? I haven't seen mention of others
ben_vulpes: decimation: calling that a patch is charitable - more an excision
ben_vulpes: and i've no idea if it's the most recent - there's no patch tracking tooling in place
decimation: no worries. I find the stripped-down distribution much easier to study
ben_vulpes: i'm studying the regtest phenomena of 0.8.whatever
ben_vulpes: it's glued in with the glass of the chainparams class
ben_vulpes: my rage is indescribeable
ben_vulpes: now not only must i study testnet but also this regtest thing
ben_vulpes: and, by proxy, chainparams.
ben_vulpes: it's not *so* bad, clearly.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu would have that by the act of complaining i bring down more cpp upon my own back
decimation: what's regtest do?
ben_vulpes: chain generation off network.
ben_vulpes: "regression testing"
ben_vulpes: if you dig into chainparams and main.cpp (iirc) you'll find such joys as the "stop generating a chain after 1 block is found so that...reasons"
ben_vulpes: the thing isn't actually all that impossible to reason about
decimation: so is 0.5.3 incompatible with the existing testnet?
ben_vulpes: just - find all the places in which there's a testnet mention and try to figure out how to implement an off-network chain
ben_vulpes: obviously the answer is a class with state safely segregated within it
ben_vulpes: decimation: have not yet tested, do not think that is the case.
ben_vulpes: well, logged up
ben_vulpes: i'll mail matt tomorrow
ben_vulpes: AT ALL OF HIS EMAILS
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> my rage is indescribeable <<< i have an intuition.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, is charter signed and deed'd yet ?
hanbot: so here's a game for y'all: http://thewhet.net/2014/illustrated/
mircea_popescu: ahaha these are great!
hanbot: :D
mircea_popescu: bwahhah oh that pot. win.
mircea_popescu: "Feces are almost entirely deceased gut bacteria and water. I massacred my gut bacteria the day before by consuming a DIY Soylent version with no fiber and taking 500mg of Rifaximin, an antibiotic with poor bioavailability, meaning it stays in your gut and kills bacteria. Soylent’s microbiome consultant advised that this is a terrible idea so I do not recommend it. However, it worked. Throughout the challenge I did n
mircea_popescu: ot defecate."
mircea_popescu: im not entirely sure why this sort of idiot is being maintained on artificial life support.
mircea_popescu: usg, you whore of bezzleatron, you got some 'splainin to do.
mircea_popescu: "In lieu of showering I sprayed myself with AOBiome’s custom skin bacteria blend. Body odor is caused by the emissions of proliferating skin bacteria, as unique as a fingerprint. The Nitrosomonas eutropha taking over my skin now metabolizes ammonia into odorless nitrite and nitric oxide. Success!"
asciilifeform channels BingoBoingo to suggest humane ballistic pill for sufferer described above
thestringpuller: Who the fuck eats Soylent with no fiber in it?
mircea_popescu: this idiot.
thestringpuller: Jesus these idiots who don't know how to feed themselves are starting to just baffle me.
hanbot: i don't mind idiots experimenting on themselves, but the access to podium has gotta go.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if bluematt (who was he?) doesn't appear - one of us must do the deed ?
mircea_popescu: !up petahash
asciilifeform: idiots experimenting on themselves << we all experiment on selves.
asciilifeform: writing about it - another matter
assbot: Logged on 10-09-2014 00:36:11; asciilifeform: kakobrekla: used own replica of old soviet mask, anode on eyelids, cathode on occiput
mircea_popescu: this is not experimenting.
mircea_popescu: experimenting is still a term of art.
undata: mircea_popescu: germs are dirty; obviously he's as clean as possible
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: writing about it - another matter << reminds of the people who take lots of psychedelic drugs and put the doses, timeline, and effects in a journal.
mircea_popescu: as stupid as possible, granted. once that is granted, nothing else can further be achieved. he can't be anything "as much as possible" hence.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: alex shulgin ?
undata is waiting for the inevitable early deaths of the soylent believers
mircea_popescu: eh, the curse of technology. nobody fucking dies for being stupid anymore.
asciilifeform: nope, the death is on instalment plan.
BingoBoingo: Dude's colon is going to have more yeast than a brewery
undata: vice looked into their "factory" and found rats and mold
asciilifeform recalls reading of 'internal brewery' disease that leaves sufferer permanently pickled
mircea_popescu: waitwut ?!
undata: asciilifeform: yeah, causes you to be drunk, right?
asciilifeform: there's a non-zero natural output of EtOH
asciilifeform: there we go.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Every now and then someone's digestive system has alcohol producing yeast become the dominant microflora
asciilifeform: year after year, i wait for a report of someone bottling this beer.
mircea_popescu: sounds kinda unhealthy
asciilifeform: it is inevitable.
BingoBoingo: Incredibly unhealthy
mircea_popescu comes from cattle country, is proud carrier of long-selected lactoguys
undata: asciilifeform: ha, the gut beer? *shudder*
undata: but if people will drink this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak
asciilifeform: aha 'monkey coffee'
asciilifeform: well-known.
asciilifeform: does pediwikia have 'list of foods which are literally shit' ?
undata: I question anyone without an aversion to shit
undata: asciilifeform: almost certainly
mircea_popescu: undata women develop tolerance, you know.
undata: seems necessary
undata: I still question them
undata: reminds me of my twin sisters in diapers, cribs opposite each other in their room
undata: I come home from school and they've had a shit war, hurled it at each other
BingoBoingo: rifampicin seems like an exceedingly poor choice for a colonocaust
undata: I learned something about life that day.
BingoBoingo: Traditional used against C.Diff is normally Vancomycin
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i don't suspect the guy actually acts rationally.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That was given when he decided to sacrifice taking healthy shits for "water" conservation.
asciilifeform read that piece, assumed this stunt was 'on a bet' or the like
asciilifeform: if anyone has similar bet in the future,
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2014 00:35:11; Mats_cd03: after 1 no pill a day for 4 days during a field exercise, i was literally full of shit
asciilifeform: ^ cheaper method.
BingoBoingo: The classes of bacteria intrisically unaffected by rifampicin includes many unpleasant members. It seems the biggest class though is enterobacteria... so named because they are often normal intestinal flora...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'ilsa the she-wolf' ?
mircea_popescu: adam robertson shot. no idea who the chick is
undata: weird nostrils
pete_dushenski: "Arthur Levitt, the longest-serving chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission, is joining the advisory boards of two bitcoin-focused companies. As an adviser to Atlanta-based BitPay, a bitcoin payment processor, and Vaurum, a Palo Alto-based bitcoin exchange for institutional investors..."
asciilifeform: incidentally, is there any alternate hypothesis re: bitpay that does not involve it being a btc intake valve for usg's 'waterfall' dumpatron?
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell hanbot I submitted an answer to your comment que
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they didn't start as one. but anyway, either their cash runs out in a few months or it does not.
mircea_popescu: if it does not, the explanation available is exactly one.
mircea_popescu: not like atlanta is crawling with rich, entrepreneurial-minded folks or anything.
mircea_popescu: Actually, what you really need is a platform that’s a community of communities. Ideally with cleverly designed software that can handle each community’s individual epistemology (something like Moldbug’s idea of ‘factional reputation’
mircea_popescu: dude seriously ? "moldbug's idea of the wot" ?
mircea_popescu: i think the one thing i can stand least about usians is not directly their ignorance, but their bald faced, undisturbedly firm conviction that being a clueless git is a-okay.
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean the world didn't start a day before i was born ?!?!!?!?!?!"
BingoBoingo: sha256 of my guess on which trilema url hanbot wrote about 86e9f3b06d8abfde4f1323725907a4c9ccb6017d7ec35250f63ba735b6edbd08
BingoBoingo: md4 for people with things to do, 1ca610d4844aed110d163cdc14b987fc
mircea_popescu: 86e9f3b06d8abfde4f1323725907a4c9ccb6017d7ec35250f63ba735b6edbd08
mircea_popescu: yup, same guess.
punkman: http://dpaste.com/0Z5HQ2H if anyone feels like sweeping some deedbot tests
mircea_popescu: punkman see your pms, apparently ppl can't go from deeds to privkey ?
punkman: lies
punkman: bundle: BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ
punkman: sha256 of bundle: 07014e56d4c34fb7962db64e2cdf5ebcd3f8eca891a0ea697cc5f46f55d1da9d
punkman: brainwallet from exponent
punkman: 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64
mircea_popescu: punkman incidentally, why is "brainwallet" shoehorned in there ?
punkman: I dont use brainwallet, just trying to generate with diff tools
mircea_popescu: how did you get 07014e56d4c34fb7962db64e2cdf5ebcd3f8eca891a0ea697cc5f46f55d1da9d ? sha of the raw deed + a comma ?
punkman: no comma if single deed in bundle
punkman: just sha256 the BXZ... string
punkman: not sha256sum
punkman: errm dunno actually, does sha256sum add checksums?
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 03:08:02; mircea_popescu: 1st shasum ik get 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 in any case.
punkman: echo -n BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | sha256sum == 07014e56d4c34fb7962db64e2cdf5ebcd3f8eca891a0ea697cc5f46f55d1da9d
mircea_popescu: you hash the bx? how you got tht ?
punkman: that is a deed hash, the "lite" bundle is all the deed hashes
punkman: if you base58decode the deed hash, you get a sha256 hash of raw deed
mircea_popescu: so. you take the deed as is, and base58 it ?
punkman: anyway, README on the way
mircea_popescu: ima be back laters.
adlai: ben_vulpes | <Adlai> the GIL is good << http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Aadlai+the+GIL+is+good pls
assbot: 0 results for 'from:adlai the GIL is good' - #bitcoin-assets search
adlai: no wonder i hate getting any sleep
cazalla: pete_dushenski, thestringpuller is on it
punkman: decimation: is there going to be a 'reset' of the state of his deed 'knapsack' over time? <- it happened a couple times during testing, hopefuly the lords will provide adequate space in the future.
pete_dushenski: cazalla nice :)
punkman: ;;isup bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is down
punkman: scam!
Naphex: i'm gonna start banning accunetix scans soon. its incredible how many "security researches" and hax0rs just try and run it all day
Naphex: and that damn PoS just gets stuck in the proxy's and downloading 5MB/s of data/s
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: listen, if smart people don't fuck whores, the poor girls are left with a very poor impression of maledom << was reminded of this as i watched the sopranos today.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform were you looking for this the other day vis-a-vis apple-1 ? http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/15/forget-cpi-inflation-is-measured-with-art/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: so quartz tube doesn't burn?
BingoBoingo: Not as readily as diamond
punkman: reminds of getting people to try burning full water bottle with lighter
xiando: those are syntetic diamonds so it's not quite the same as with real. diamonds are big scam (what is debears corporation?) so go with those syntetic anyway if you want to waste money on that garbage
BingoBoingo: Diamond is diamond. Basically just incredibly high quality coal anyway.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/ << many a change later...
pete_dushenski: sidescrolling fixetted, new font, new header image
pete_dushenski: faster loading too! at the cost of mike_c's bitbet plug-in, however
pete_dushenski: not that it was doing much tucked below the footer of 2k+ word articles.
pete_dushenski: though i quite liked the look and functionality of the plugin. alas.
pete_dushenski: the ladies will be back on the header one day. one day!
BingoBoingo: !up disident
thestringpuller: !up dnaleor
undata: ^ thoughts, criticism?
thestringpuller: !up sgnb
thestringpuller: !up CheckDavid
punkman: undata: looks decent at a glance
punkman: do you have a specific use-case in mind?
undata: maybe an air-gapped wallet on raspberry pi
undata: dunno, just saw it on hacker news
RagnarDanneskjol: ''Our generator makes random streams of bytes - they're generated by random quantum processes and/or thermal noise - they're don't however present a perfectly randomly distributed bit stream''
RagnarDanneskjol: seems a not so random source - I'd guess its thermal noise is within a relatively narrow range
undata: hm, dumb
undata goes to bed
RagnarDanneskjol: the rf receiver noise gen is kinda cool/weird
adlai: "dumb"? doesn't this just mean you can treat it as providing less entropy than the number of bits it spits out?
RagnarDanneskjol: yes, if i understand the question
CheckDavid: Thanks thestringpuller
CheckDavid: What about throwing dice? Lol
CheckDavid: Or coin flipping?
Naphex: CheckDavid: get a server to do that soon?
CheckDavid: Naphex: ah I see. Must be automated right?
Naphex: yes
CheckDavid: There's not enough entropy in the regular sensors of a computer?
Naphex: CheckDavid: depends on how much you use
Naphex: for any decent cryptography work you'd need more then 200bytes available at any time
CheckDavid: 200 bytes of entropy?
CheckDavid: Is it hard to generate ?
Naphex: so if you're running openssl it shouldn't go down below 200 bytes of available entropy
CheckDavid: I'm not sure how that entropy is cached or generated.
Naphex: on linux kernels you have the value exported through procfs /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
Naphex: which gives you the amount of available entropy bytes
Naphex: revo ~ # cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail
Naphex: 2023
Naphex: if you're doing cryptography work (ssl, keys using randoms) and this value is below 200. you have a problem to fix, fast.
Naphex: this is how entropy use from /dev/random looks like on a SSL gateway (reasonable amount of connections/handshakes)
CheckDavid: How is the problem fixed naphex?
Naphex: !up CheckDavid
Naphex: CheckDavid: you get more entropy from a generator
CheckDavid: I see. All I know is I use is.random to generate my random stuffs
CheckDavid: *is.random()
CheckDavid: *os.random()
CheckDavid: Damn auto correct
Naphex: CheckDavid: well good luck with that :)
Naphex: hopefully your os.random is secure :))
CheckDavid: I don't work in security so :)
Naphex: well what does your os.random() return?:P
Naphex: is that python os.random?:)
Naphex: if it is you should read the docs :)
Naphex: Almost all module functions depend on the basic function random(), which generates a random float uniformly in the semi-open range [0.0, 1.0). Python uses the Mersenne Twister as the core generator. It produces 53-bit precision floats and has a period of 2**19937-1. The underlying implementation in C is both fast and threadsafe. The Mersenne Twister is one of the most extensively tested random number generators in existence. However, being comple
Naphex: deterministic, it is not suitable for all purposes, and _and is completely unsuitable for cryptographic purposes._
Naphex: the last one beeing the doozy. "and is completely unsuitable for cryptographic purposes."
Naphex: so thats that, no need to be in security :)
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 06:51:56; punkman: if you base58decode the deed hash, you get a sha256 hash of raw deed
nubbins`: genesis.deed shasum: 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0
nubbins`: converted to b58: 2zCwsSPNidLE9aEBTx4bh6Vrv7XrmJa9fAw8o8S8wrCX
nubbins`: != BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ
punkman1: nubbins`: sha256 of raw genesis deed is 9c68d5c322a3f4212112c5eb1a68dffdb49d105c34256bf219581da524c90522
nubbins`: according to that, and to my system, mp's, etc, it's 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0
punkman1: you are copying it wrong then
punkman1: try decoding the base64 encoded deed and hashing that
punkman1: (unless that's what you did, then fuck me I gotta go check things)
punkman1: yeah all the copy pasting, messes with line endings
nubbins`: pasted result
nubbins`: same shasum
nubbins`: heading to work now, you may wanna check your code against these tools to verify everything
cazalla: BingoBoingo, danielpbarron, you can unfollow my ugandan alter-ego, i have my own twitter now, figured might help with qntra'ing
punkman1: ;;later tell nubbins` according to that, and to my system, mp's, etc, it's 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 << that's because the CRLF line endings in the raw deed got converted to LF at some point in your process
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman1: (whatever it finds in the deed pastebin, genesis deed had CRLF, others might not)
punkman1: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500 < gpg has a –not-dash-escaped option pretty much made for signing patches
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if bluematt (who was he?) doesn't appear - one of us must do the deed ? << i have jenkins running with the blob locally, i'd just rather stand on bluematt's shoulders
ben_vulpes: i'd be thrilled to see what scripts etc he wrote and how he went about the en-test-harness-ifying of the thing
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai just trolling. although concurrency...python...2015...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: i doubt anyone cares for further derpage on the topic from me.
ben_vulpes: although i have a hard time imaginging which customers of a bezzletron service would touch btc. buying a loss for the taxbooks doesn't make much sense with the blackcash.
assbot: "we show that if an adversary is able to review this cryptosystem, a simulator can be constructed which solves the halting problem"-ethereum
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/TheBlueMatt/DiabloMiner << diablod3 wrote a miner in common lisp?
ben_vulpes: nm fooled by github
ben_vulpes: $ gpg -k Corallo
ben_vulpes: pub 4096R/43E08E54 2011-03-06 [revoked: 2014-07-12]
jurov: <punkman1> ;;later tell asciilifeform http://log1.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-10-2014#897500 < gpg has a –not-dash-escaped option << lol the fine manual also says "You should not send such an armored file via email because all spaces and line endings are hashed too."
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 21:44:02; asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
ben_vulpes gives up
danielpbarron: !up sxejno
ben_vulpes: "PLEASE EMAIL ME IN CLEARTEXT KTHXBAI"
jurov: whoohoo: 'empty space' characters can be added to each line of cleartext, until the end of the line, without affecting the verification.
jurov: that's prolly why dash escaped stuff is designed to survive the email
asciilifeform: undata: onerng.info << best lulz! this calls for a mini-review.
asciilifeform: onerng.info << this gizmo is interesting to me because it uses exactly one sane design decision (rf shield); resembles mine from a distance. but inside - uses every single design mistake which i rejected. to avoid 'empty words,' i will name a few.
asciilifeform: 1) what kind of dope must one smoke to put a micro under the tin can with the analogue amp ?
danielpbarron: the '2' and '5' are swapped (in their dice logo) // such random!
asciilifeform: 2) http://moonbaseotago.com/onerng/schematic.png << vendor schematic. see bottom-right-hand, 'AP3105' switching voltage-booster. it's there because 3v is not enough to run an avalanche diode. guess how the booster works?
asciilifeform: (usually a 100-300kHz oscillator!)
punkman1: command line deed grabber: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoinyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d | sha256sum
asciilifeform: 3) the asinine RF noise sampler can be switched off. but does its tuning oscillator also switch off?
asciilifeform: 4) is an exercise for alert reader.
punkman: borked url there: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d | sha256sum
asciilifeform: onerng << there are two possible explanations for the above. one is that the author simply did not stop to think. and, well - the other explanation.
punkman: pretty sure it's the first one
punkman: everyone can make hardware! arduinos!
punkman: "looks decent at a glance"
bounce: that thing is usb, meaning it gets fed 5V. what then with the boosting from 3V?
kakobrekla: dont blame the arduino :)
asciilifeform: bounce: he boosts the 3v from the regulator. but doesn't matter.
asciilifeform: bounce: if you have booster, you have its switching oscillator and its harmonics...
bounce: sure. but the question remains, why have a booster at all? can't you run the thing off 5V directly?
asciilifeform: bounce: nope.
bounce: so you're stuck with a booster no matter what then.
asciilifeform: bounce: no booster in mine.
asciilifeform: bounce: this is the exact reason i went with johnson noise rather than avalanche.
asciilifeform: i cannot venture to guess about the author's thought process. perhaps there wasn't one.
bounce: probably a lot of "make it work" thoughts, not so much about "make it robust against adversaries"
asciilifeform: bounce: he certainly devoted verbiage to 'nsa diddles rng, defend yerself'
ben_vulpes joins #bitcoin-dev
asciilifeform: punkman: gpg has a –not-dash-escaped option pretty much made for signing patches << it's broken.
asciilifeform: or rather:
asciilifeform: 'You should not send such an armored file via email because all spaces and line endings are hashed too.' -- man page
ben_vulpes: jurov: why bother checking body? instead maybe just check .patch.sig for l2 sig, and compare that to the file.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: spam control
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: no reason whatsoever why anyone not in l2 should have write-access to list
ben_vulpes: well if sig fails l2 check...
asciilifeform: presumably not every message will be a patch
jurov: i'm just exporing the possibilities
ben_vulpes: ah so this list is for comms as well.
jurov: right now im trying to diddle with mpex a bit
jurov: normally it does not accept same command twice
jurov: i mena same clearsigned turd
jurov: but add aspace to clearsigned cmd, and it goes
jurov: no need to clearsign again
punkman: does that also work with GPG comments?
jurov: don't see why not
punkman: so you can replay signed commands?
jurov: yes
punkman: well that's nice
jurov: --not-dash-escaped helps with the spaces
jurov: but comments are tbd, thx for suggestion
asciilifeform for some reason thought there were serial numbers in mpex commands
jurov: asciilifeform: mircea wanted to add them
jurov: but it goes against means of "offline" delivery where you aren't certain stuff went through
punkman: you can encrypt commands to mpex key right?
jurov: yes mpex pubkey
jurov: i explained it better under the trilema article where he announced it
punkman: I wonder if there are any unencrypted commands in some pastebin somewhere
jurov: i thought only encrypted stuff can be submitted to mpex?!
jurov: !s jurov nixed
ben_vulpes: and clearsigned too
jurov: clearsigned first. obv now is clear that one must not ever leak
ben_vulpes: yes, encrypted because clearsigned as well.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: one of us must do the deed ? ... i'd just rather stand on bluematt's shoulders << wasn't talking about the auto-builder. rather, the use of brain to evaluate patches.
asciilifeform: jurov: lol, missed your rtfm re: mail
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i do believe that someone in the wot must read patches, yes.
ben_vulpes: bluematt appears to have revoked his wot ket.
jurov: at least in case of statjson mpex accepts the same ecrypted blob twice. so the point is moot.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not only read patches. judge.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: do you have the time and inclination to do this?
ben_vulpes: time will ebb and flow.
jurov: imo we can apply the same process as for patches. someone in da wot makes release, ppl sign
jurov: ppl will select themselves for this task
mats_cd03: kakobrekla: links on log1.b-a direct to log.b-a, which is down
kakobrekla: too bad.
Naphex: "Pope Francis declares evolution and Big Bang theory are right and God isn't 'a magician with a magic wand'"
mats_cd03: such a tease
mats_cd03: if hes not a magician what is he? inquiring minds wish to know
ben_vulpes: .status
ben_vulpes: .balance
punkman: ben_vulpes: down for maintenance
punkman: apparently I got to resend transactions manually if network fails
punkman: maybe some recommendations for easier wallet?
ben_vulpes: what are you using again?
ben_vulpes: electrum?
punkman: electrum
Naphex: what do you need a wallet for?
punkman: Naphex, bot sends transactions to notarize gpg-signed messages
Naphex: so why do you need a wallet?
punkman: to send transactions?
Naphex: well just sign the transactions and send em to a stable node
punkman: that's what electrum is doing
Naphex: you can use my node if you want to propagate or push
Naphex: i usually mantain around ~400 connections
Naphex: https://bitcoin.btcxchange.ro/ for https web or bitcoin.btcxchange.ro:8333 for bitcoin p2p
ben_vulpes: hey punkman how should deedbot be fed multiply-signed documents?
punkman: ben_vulpes: do they look any different?
punkman: but maybe good idea to test what happens in gnupg library
punkman: ben_vulpes: make me one?
ben_vulpes: it's left to users.
ben_vulpes: what i'd prefer is a text blob and detached signatures.
ben_vulpes: but that's not what you've got implemented.
ben_vulpes: some derpy shit i've seen: recursive signing of documents. one party signs doc, another party signs clearsigned doc.
ben_vulpes: gets ugly.
punkman: it will take unencrypted but compressed messages
ben_vulpes: how do you get pgp to spit such out?
punkman: --sign instead of --clearsign
punkman: (plus --armor)
ben_vulpes: right yeah
punkman: also for reference, multisig msg with: gpg --clearsign -u derp -u herp
punkman: will test later
punkman: apparently not possible unless you have all the keys
ben_vulpes: was going to say.
punkman: is possible
ben_vulpes: just append each signature
asciilifeform: ^ my isp, best isp, lol
TomServo: asciilifeform: This is only for wireless clients correct? Though, why wouldn't they also do the same to wired customers?
asciilifeform: wired << afaik they do.
TomServo: Seems the article only mentions phones and wireless.. unless I'm missing it.
asciilifeform: wired also diddled, for at least some subscribers, according to rumour mill
mod6: Hi all, ben_vulpes and I have a new revision for the foundation charter. http://dpaste.com/16Z4M68
TomServo: asciilifeform: *sings* What a wonderful woooorld...
mircea_popescu: mod6 ben_vulpes "This charter establishes the existence of a virtual organization whose mission is to maintain the Bitcoin reference client." <<< maybe strike client from there ?
mircea_popescu: the bitcoin reference. it's a thing.
punkman: reference implementation perhaps
mod6: ok, noted.
mircea_popescu: reference implementation also works
mod6: i think it did say that at one point. i don't have my previous revisions handy atm.
mircea_popescu: anyway, looks pretty good!
mod6: 'reference implementation'
mod6: ok good deal :)
punkman: ok, so I think current deedbot implementation would only look at the last signature in multisig message. How should it work ideally?
mod6: it looks at both and enters in a row for each?
mod6: s/both/all/
mod6: *shrug*
mircea_popescu: punkman that sounds fine actually.
mod6: ok gotta run for a bit, will be back later to continue the work on getting this thing finished.
punkman: ok, so last guy to sign must be in assbot wot
punkman: maybe I'll make it display the additional signatures somehow
mod6: <+punkman> ok, so last guy to sign must be in assbot wot << just put this in the wiki then so we'll know
mircea_popescu: and how do you deal with the case where string1+siga+string2+sigb ?
mircea_popescu: ("I like melons"signed:MP"He means lemons")signed:Freud
punkman: so both electrum and supybot crapped out in slightly weird way today, I'll try to get it back up by tomorrow
punkman: 1 day and 18 hours for the first run
mircea_popescu is curious to hear details.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll do something-or-other for your foundation thing, so long as it doesn't involve actual work
mircea_popescu: statement of redundancy department :D
asciilifeform: expert elephant delivery available also!
undata: asciilifeform: have you documented your rng?
asciilifeform: undata: the only formally published aspect so far is a set of high-res photos. but it, plus everything i have said about rng, is ten times more than enough to recreate it for a determined and impatient student.
mircea_popescu: !up WolfGoethe
asciilifeform: undata: in case this was not clear, complete design documents -and- rationales will be published (including in dead-tree form).
mircea_popescu: undata plus he's on the hook to document it once it actually gets made.
mircea_popescu: shit i gotta type faster.
asciilifeform: i expect that the truly serious folks won't even touch my hardware, but recreate it from spec...
punkman: asciilifeform: maybe someone will come up with through-hole component version?
punkman: I'd bake a batch
undata: asciilifeform: great! we await your teachings.
jurov: punkman do it with 99% fine zamak cover bearing "First Edition" label
asciilifeform: punkman: it'd be all-throughhole now if the components were actually available in that package.
mircea_popescu: lol fine zamak cover. why so mean
punkman: was partlist published in reports?
asciilifeform: punkman: for rng - yes! you can probably build it now.
mircea_popescu: partlist, quality of results summary, all sorts of things.
asciilifeform: gotta love the cribbing f-students - 'onerng' etc.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 12:47:11; asciilifeform: undata: onerng.info << best lulz! this calls for a mini-review.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, others involved with deturdification - unless you prefer emacs for this, see tools like 'xxdiff' for illuminated patches.
mircea_popescu: didja write teh minireview ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see log below linked line.
mircea_popescu: shit listen, i'm not yet done with the day's log, gotta read it in order or else errors.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no reason to hurry.
mircea_popescu: vita brevis!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, that - yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but for sapper who hurries - brevis-er.
asciilifeform: ^ vote of confidence
punkman: hah
punkman: oh thought you were signing rm utility, never mind
asciilifeform: lolno, ben_vulpes patch
mircea_popescu: bitcoin finally reached in 2014 the place where it would have been in 2009 had satoshi been able to find and motivate people rather than find himself desperately shooting into the public forum.
mircea_popescu: a better example of the problem of resource allocation can never be devised.
mircea_popescu: five fucking years and a horde of jackals, all because there isn't nor apparently can there be a god out there to whom you pray and who gives orders adequately.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu << i must point out that the turd's merely been chucked onto the turdlathe. no one as of yet solved anything.
mircea_popescu: hence 2009.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^ see, vex can stfu.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a better demolition of the myth of "open source" and wikidiotarianism could also hardly be devised
bounce: apparently there wasn't a people person around who could find and organise the people to cook up bitcoin; needed a lone engineer to lay the ground work.
mircea_popescu: i think it's deeper than that. i doubt the job was possible at all, without an outright onslaught from metaphysics.
mircea_popescu: two legions of choir angels and a third column of succubi might have sufficed, then.
punkman: maybe it was 3 wizards and a code monkey, who's to know?
asciilifeform: eh, we do not yet know what suffices. because 'it' has not yet happened.
bounce: you shoulda been there and called up the heaven+hell agency and order the right actors for this show, eh
mircea_popescu: ^ stan's.
mircea_popescu: bounce i had nfi idea, at the time, and definitely would have been horrible for the role.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem here, you need some experience to be able to think.
punkman: !search bitc
bounce: what's this now?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu << would like to be optimistic, but we will soon see who remains motivated once the turdlathe demands actual brain cycles. right now it's target practice against paper 'opponents.'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the sense that zapping dead ifdef's is not especially arduous.
mircea_popescu: i shall say mebbe again to you, if you do not appease me!
punkman is willing to work on specification at some point
ben_vulpes: reference client was a total fat-finger on my part
ben_vulpes: reference impl is correct language
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: sapper trains with...
mircea_popescu: dynamite dildoes ?
mircea_popescu: "failure is a pleasure" brand
mircea_popescu signs off on that orlov piece being total idiocy.
mircea_popescu: Naphex: i'm gonna start banning accunetix scans soon. its incredible how many "security researches" and hax0rs just try and run it all day << like five hundred times in a row, too. because who knows, maybe it changed ?
Naphex: mircea_popescu: aye, or just lots of monkeys running around shooting accunetix trying to get bug rewards lol
mircea_popescu: kinda a good reason to not explicitly / publicisedly offer rewards.
mircea_popescu: there's about a quarter billion idiots kept alive against nature by various welfarist governments' welfare programs, who exist like shitworms, everything is either a food dispenser or nothing to them.
mircea_popescu: so they keep suckling on doorknobs, shit like that.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: aye. oh well i just firewall drop them after 10 accunetix hits
Naphex: some even change ip
Naphex: i mean..
mircea_popescu: next thing you know you gotta wear gloves because the socialist idots have made an endless supply of doorknob droolers.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski apparently the chaos people loved your blog.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: undata: ^ thoughts, criticism? << check it out, it's got the metal shield like asciilifeform's!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: read my turdreview
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm shooting the guy an email
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol! can't help but wonder what he'd answer.
kakobrekla: my bet : he wont
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpse, others: loper-os.org/pub/bitcoin-asciilifeform.2-https_snipsnip.tar.gz
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what odds you giving on that ?
asciilifeform: ^ build, not live-fire tested yet
kakobrekla: ;;isup bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is up
kakobrekla: oh damn.
mircea_popescu: jurov you gotta make that mailman thing baby, otherwise " mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes, others" will become a header here.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: orlov piece being total idiocy << the most recent guest authored piece?
mircea_popescu: TomServo whatever asciilifeform linked earlier. something with "total base acreage", as fucking if.
mircea_popescu: next he can make a review of datacenters based on total board / cpu surface o.O
mircea_popescu: clearly, it has been stagnating for 50 years.
TomServo: ahaha, yes. What's your take then, as far as timeline goes?
jurov: mircea_popescu: sigh... you may note my occassional rant related to it
mircea_popescu: no i only note things i like.
jurov: plus, whole idea has arisen at friday, while i had busy weekend
mircea_popescu: TomServo you ever played civ ?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Long ways back, yes.
mircea_popescu: jurov anything good ? pics of hot twinks coming ?
jurov: did not take photos, sry
mircea_popescu: TomServo you ever encountered that situation where you had a smaller island, but pushed tech, surrounded yourself with fortified mech infantry and railroaded all the firlds back when the idiots around still klonked each other with knights
mircea_popescu: but then 1000 years later they got their own armors and well... game over ?
mircea_popescu: the us is going against a twin bottleneck, both social and technological. the us born boys of today are weak, the us tech of today is dull, no more edge. like that, it can only be a brothel.
mircea_popescu: jurov you know, photos can be half the fun.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of half the fun : was at japanese restaurant yest, discovered that the eating sticks, if unbroken, make the best nipple clamps ever. chicks love them, not strong enough to hurt, strong enough to majorly enhance sensitivity.
bounce: hookers and blow, what more do you need?
TomServo: mircea_popescu: can't say I recall that exact scenario - but I see your point. Better not be another 950 years of this BS though!
undata: ha, love the social commentary sprinkled with courteous bdsm tips
asciilifeform: ^ mega-lulz!
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this one was ever exploited.
mircea_popescu: what was that even ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: "we show that if an adversary is able to review this cryptosystem, a simulator can be constructed which solves the halting problem"-ethereum << that made precisely no sense. wut ?!
rithm: justcoin failed to read the specs on ripple
punkman: question is can I redirect random HTTP url to ftp:// when I detect wget
asciilifeform: 'If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 1) what kind of dope must one smoke to put a micro under the tin can with the analogue amp ? <<< ahahah wut.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: look at it. there it is.
mircea_popescu: and 'AP3105' , kay, amateur hour.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: kitchen toilet.
mircea_popescu: but... "it should be ok for most usecases".
mircea_popescu: which is how you'll get kiled in the marketplace. if the market is 100 units, and 90 units are needed to support a well made unit, and 90 buyers could be satisfied by a shitty unit,
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i posted enough re: rng that any kid could bloody well copy it. but no, must have 'improvements.'
mircea_popescu: if the shitty unit makes it to market first then the well made unit is never happening.
mircea_popescu: so get on with it!
jurov: punkman you can check for user agent, but why?
mircea_popescu: jurov he's trying to put a dent in his hosting bills ?
punkman: jurov, to apply linked exploit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: against the f-students, we have pills. but it would be hasty to administer the pills as of yet.
mircea_popescu: if i have to pass another xmas w/o roast beast and cardano i'll paint you blue.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: might have to give you one of mine.
asciilifeform: gentlement: patch review pleeze ?
mircea_popescu: just get on with it!11 exlamation points
mircea_popescu: jurov: but add aspace to clearsigned cmd, and it goes << where are you adding the space ?
jurov: in the end of STATJSON
jurov: read the gpg quirks i linked, it's eye opening
mircea_popescu: uh you telling me gpg takes "STATJSON" and "STATJSON " as validly signed by the same signature ?
jurov: lol 11 exlamation points.. yknow, asciilifeform is still gathering blood, sweat, bile, etc. to put into cardano software
asciilifeform: jurov: ichor.
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah, stat/statjson are not protected against replay. this, on the principle that the response being encoded anyway, the attacker needs the key to do anything useful.
asciilifeform: the attacker needs the key to do anything useful << unless i misunderstand, enemy can do blind replay?
mircea_popescu: 14:16:06 mats_cd03: kakobrekla: links on log1.b-a direct to log.b-a, which is down << umm no they don't ?
kakobrekla: links like to whatever people link to.
mircea_popescu: oh, he means inside the lines
kakobrekla: s/like/link
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, and get a blob coded to the owner's key, and now we know someone tried.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: possibly he meant 'bash' etc.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: links
kakobrekla: there are log links in bash?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: bash link in log
jurov: punkman, kakobrekla: how do you get all the public keys from gribble?
jurov: in assbot L1/L2
kakobrekla doesnt.
punkman: I had it download the db backups every 6 hours
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: some derpy shit i've seen: recursive signing of documents. one party signs doc, another party signs clearsigned doc. <<< used to be how mpex did ipo contracts, but it sucks.
mircea_popescu: now everyone signs a copy.
mircea_popescu: apparently websites can be useful even without web2.0 rounded corners javascript "design" bs.
mircea_popescu: actually, one should sometime do a count.
Naphex: so wait
Naphex: if justcoin is going down
Naphex: why is it still trading?
mircea_popescu: wow log finished. feels so good...
mircea_popescu: Naphex doesn't make any sense does it.
BingoBoingo: Naphex: Insufficient thought disorder? Maybe they hope late panic trades might be favorable to their own orders?
Naphex: why would anyone give a shit to trade on a burning down closing exchange
Naphex: just get your funds out and move out
mircea_popescu: maybe you've not met the bitcoin crowd yet ?
Naphex: some fruad suspected
Naphex: related to some altcoin ripple run shit on your server hack
asciilifeform: no more turdmeister broadcast receiver!
Naphex: turdmeister broadcast receiver?
asciilifeform: !s nixing alert
Naphex: asciilifeform: so that's what alert disabled?
asciilifeform: no reason at all why a true bitcoind ought to take direct orders from the turdation...
mircea_popescu: re the "how to start your own country" thing, the opening model is so fucking braindamaged it curls my hairs.
mircea_popescu: is there anything actually intelligent in here or am i throwing it away ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: strauss is a (now very old) man who was involved with some of the '70s derpistans (actual attempts at island 'nations' by american jokers). worth reading if only for zoological purposes.
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, groups split off at that point when carrying the food (where ? they were fucking nomadic anyway) cost as much energy as the food provided ?
mircea_popescu: the sexual castration of us puritans is making them stupid i swear.
mircea_popescu: individuation is a sexual, not an economical phenomenon.
mircea_popescu: xiando hey, help me out here, what's that ancient chinese tale of the young man who found a young woman, and they fell in love, and they wished to be alone in the world ? so they suddenly were! and then wished for a cook, and suddely a cook appeared, and then kept wishing and soon enough were back at home ?
asciilifeform: strauss has 'zoological' data not available elsewhere, afaik.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but my fear is, how much can be trusted in the "data" of someone so fundamentally confused. can one who can't count keep a useful count of anything ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: next you'll be asking about herodotus
Naphex: asciilifeform: so did you remove the fork alerts as well or just the alert-keying system?
mircea_popescu: i guess since im reading this under protest im gonna adnotate it.
asciilifeform: Naphex: keyed. -- and, you know, you can read the fscking code.
asciilifeform: not rocket surgery!
Naphex: asciilifeform: didn't quite pick up that turdmeister alert snip was a bitcoin patch to check it:)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he has a point tho. what happens if there's a fork ?
asciilifeform: dear glubb, read it
Naphex: i kept the alert system, don't have much problem with it and can easily be disabaled.
Naphex: but thats what i want for my core servers really. don't run walleting software on them
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to reprhrase. "what should happen, if there's a fork"
Naphex: but i do want them to shut down in many cases and prevent any integrity breaches
Naphex: the chain will still be there
Naphex: for me to restart
mircea_popescu: Naphex the problem with this approach is that well, false security.
Naphex: how is it false security?
Naphex: it's not false security
Naphex: you run the route nodes to sync the data and keep a chain
mircea_popescu: well, not in itself, but if you end up relying on it then yeah
Naphex: you then run secondary nodes with spv to ease that data and make it more usefull
Naphex: if anything corrupts the main chain, the spv will pick it up
mircea_popescu: so if you run all this why'd you want random idiot to turn off your whole infrastructure whenever ?
Naphex: the main chain(fed from the trusted nodes)
Naphex: mircea_popescu: the nodes are all synced, the only thing he turns off is the ability to receive new transactions
Naphex: and thats pretty short, i can recompile it and restart it with alerts disabled in under 10mins
mircea_popescu: nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: we're discussing different things here.
Naphex: so thats not a huge downtime, alerts get notified and keyd so email all the rest
asciilifeform: ability to receive new transactions << and gavin should have the nuclear button for this why?
Naphex: temporary, be right back
mircea_popescu: it's unsanitary. that damned key is probably how he got his asshole extended in the first place.
asciilifeform: unsanitary << exactly. and, thus far, we are - sanitars.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ^ qntra ?
BingoBoingo: I'll look at it
asciilifeform: anyone willing to review patches - read, ponder, sign. jurov can dump it all in turdatron later.
asciilifeform: also, am i the only one here with a pair of shears? get snipping.
asciilifeform: plenty of unambiguous garbage left.
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 11:41:26; punkman1: ;;later tell nubbins` according to that, and to my system, mp's, etc, it's 1d834ceaf8b81bd9f53dec3f4befd06f65ee422248f2c2edaf55e825bd2228c0 << that's because the CRLF line endings in the raw deed got converted to LF at some point in your process
nubbins`: ^ CRLF line endings o.O
nubbins`: unless we've all suddenly decided to nominate Windows as the OS of choice, \r\n should not be within a thousand feet of this thing :D
punkman: it doesn't discriminate, whatever you feed it
nubbins`: it should replace \r\n with \n
punkman: original genesis deed had LF, dunno when they got in there, probably some text editor
nubbins`: otherwise how the fuck is anyone using anything other than Windows going to be able to verify deeds?
punkman: base64 was there for a reason
punkman: check out the one liner
nubbins`: one liner?
asciilifeform: which one of the chairmen runs winblows? fess up
nubbins`: SPEAK NOW
nubbins`: but srsly, \r\n --> \n going forward
nubbins`: do a regex replace, w/e, don't care
nubbins`: must be done
punkman: not rly
nubbins`: yes rly
nubbins`: it's a line of code
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: scissors? no. time today? perhaps.
nubbins`: otherwise you're essentially throwing up a huge "FUCK YOU" to all of us not using winblows
asciilifeform: bad enough that satoshi used (or convincingly pretended to use) it. i will not be signing anything of substance authored by a winblows user. cannot presume that he has sole control of his key.
asciilifeform: if any of you think this is unreasonable, please say why.
nubbins`: imagine every time you wanted to verify a deed, having to manually swap \r\n with \n
nubbins`: or having to check both versions because the deed could be using either
nubbins`: nightmare
mod6: windows? not me. i've done all my editing in vim
mod6: i don't own or use a single windows machine, and proud to have not for /years/
nubbins`: mod6 HIGH FIVE
mod6: ^5
chetty: I like the idea you know someone is using a potential bad key because ot that problem
asciilifeform: known users of kitchen toilets.
asciilifeform: quite elementary.
chetty: asciilifeform, not the most elegant way of putting it but you make a point
ben_vulpes: what precisely had \r\n?
ben_vulpes runs macos - admitted turd, but not windows
mike_c: what about /deed/asldkfjalsdkfgj/RAW/ that has raw message.
mike_c: and you can wget and not worry about line endings
asciilifeform: this thead is about things that must not be born, regardless of how easily killed.
asciilifeform: problems of provenance.
asciilifeform: !s monolith
mike_c: whether or not you trust something signed by a windows user has little to do with deedbot.
jurov: ben_vulpes: wanna keys from the therealbitcoin.org bucket? to publish the charter and provisional list of patches
mike_c: having deedbot muck up the message it is given seems retarded.
asciilifeform: or, more pertinently, it does not matter that a cockroach is easy to crush. you don't want ten, nine, or one - in kitchen
jurov: unless you unanimously decided it will go elsewhere
ben_vulpes: jurov: sorry, don't understand the question
punkman: any interest in bot that announces key expiries and revocations in channel?
mike_c: yeah, ok, so we won't run deedbot on windows. what does this have to do with it mucking up messages it is given?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes genesis deed has \r\n
ben_vulpes: ho ho ho
ben_vulpes: not a chair problem tho
asciilifeform: eh i might have stepped in wrong thread. but even so, where does cr-lf come from if no winblows in the loop?
nubbins`: ben_vulpes someone's chair ;)
mike_c: from the person submitting the deed is my understanding.
nubbins`: asciilifeform ask punkman i guess
nubbins`: i assumed he was using windows
punkman: genesis deed not signed on windows
jurov: ben_vulpes: to upload files and publish then to web
punkman: the house does have some windows though
nubbins`: however it happened, there's \r\n
nubbins`: and it would be extremely important to convert all \r\n to \n when publishing deeds.
ben_vulpes: yes sure that would be useful indeed.
mike_c: no, it wouldn't..
nubbins`: it would be extremely convenient for non-windows users
nubbins`: same thing, n'est pas? ;D
mike_c: to have a list of ways the deed that deedbot is given is modified before publishing?
mike_c: this is silly.
mike_c: it shouldn't fuck with the message at all.
nubbins`: silly is not being able to verify deeds because they use retarded EOL
punkman: it just pushes bytes around indeed
mike_c: so don't copy/paste.
nubbins`: how the fuck else am i gonna verify, transcribe by hand?
mike_c: i just said. have /deed/adsfas/RAW/
ben_vulpes: just reject crlf
mike_c: surely you have wget on ur l33t box.
punkman: curl -s http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/BXZKQx2iLY | grep -oP "(?<=>).+(?=</text)" | base64 -d | sha256sum
punkman: but yes some raw url will be added
xanthyos: if i donate to startcoin i can get a free sterlingcoin cryptocurrency card!
xanthyos: Sterlingcoin is The Cryptocurrency of the UK & British Isles. << didn't realize btc was geographically limited
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> ^ CRLF line endings o.O <<<
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> it should replace \r\n with \n << it's cant, gpg sig'd
punkman: actually gpg doesn't care
mircea_popescu: o yes it does.
punkman: no genesis deed was LF, but deedbot got CRLF version and it passed
mircea_popescu: try feeding a \r\n blob to a linux version
punkman: it's in the manual, pretty sure
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> if any of you think this is unreasonable, please say why. << it's a wot thing. does not matter one rat's ass what anyone thinks of it as long as you got a policy you thought out and are sticking to.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> and you can wget and not worry about line endings << somebody's not read the log :D
asciilifeform: sticking to it << i will. but curious whether it makes sense to the rest of you.
mircea_popescu: i can see it.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> o yes it does.<< same thing as spaces in the end of lines, you did not get it
jurov: line endings do not go into sig
jurov: unless –not-dash-escaped option
asciilifeform: option << which b0rks other things
mircea_popescu: jurov what i meant on this instance was that pasting dos text in linux gpg results in double line breaks and an unprocessable inpuit.
punkman: openpgp spec says normalize to CRLF I think
mircea_popescu: generally tho, the concept of "line" should not exist for gpg.
asciilifeform: we're paying and paying for the glass tty era, yes.
punkman: "The signature is calculated over the text data with its line endings converted to <CR><LF>."
nubbins`: gross
mircea_popescu: more reasons to reimplement pgp
asciilifeform: as if we ever were short on reasons!
hanbot: BingoBoingo wd, answered
nubbins`: "standard CRLF line endings"
nubbins`: who the fuck wrote this
punkman: "Also, any trailing whitespace -- spaces (0x20) and tabs (0x09) -- at the end of any line is removed when the cleartext signature is generated."
punkman: so there's a lot of ways to make dupe deeds
asciilifeform: who the fuck wrote this << lost souls
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's the "standard" tho.
mircea_popescu: it stays with gpg in about the same reason bitcoin stands with the derpitude coming out of the scamdation.
punkman: " As with binary signatures on text documents, a cleartext signature is calculated on the text using canonical <CR><LF> line endings." << wtf does this mean
asciilifeform: this is the kind of thing that will die because it must, and because we have blasters.
mircea_popescu: nothing.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.)
asciilifeform: chetty: correlation/causation crapolade.
asciilifeform: !s grow taller
chetty: yeah but now you guys have another excuse
chetty: just like I found one that consuming chocolate is good for memory :)
BingoBoingo: <chetty> just like I found one that consuming chocolate is good for memory :) << No, people with better memory just remember chocolate === good
chetty: what passes for science these days connects dots that don't even exist, but I got to admit sometimes the answers they come up with are fun
mircea_popescu: how about having sex with 21 chocolates ?
chetty: messy
asciilifeform: iirc, chocolate plays important role in the lives of zoophiliacs...
asciilifeform: wut << bait
BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/d2f3xmw.png << Purported SEC letter to CEX.io/Ghash.io
mircea_popescu: not signed ?
mircea_popescu: link them to mine, tell them that's how it's done.
BingoBoingo: Found on reddit, so harder to tell if authentic. Fucking Amateurs!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reads books linearly, lol. choked on the alchemy, missed the chemistry. (2nd half of item.)
mircea_popescu: gimme an offset ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'case histories' pp. 51
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually, very little chemistry, it's really a history of 'alchemists' - if that weren't clear
BingoBoingo: So Jstor is now following the #bitcoin-assets lead http://daily.jstor.org/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mkay, so i got as far as page 67. i fail to see why any of this drivel is either important or useful, and especially the conflation of "country" and "territory" seems idiotic.
mircea_popescu: this is no chemistry.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alchemy. whose fault is it that the entire field consisted of it. afaik. (any successful micro-sovereigns in 20th c? of the ab initio variety)
mircea_popescu: heh, i missed the important line ;/
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Other than Sealand and the Hutt River Principality... I don't know of any that really come close.
TheNewDeal: mp are you reading that buchanan book?
TheNewDeal: Ahh... was thinking of some blog someone posted the other day.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:my bet : he wont << you lost btw,
kakobrekla: so what does he say?
TheNewDeal: And for the record : this was a joke directed at mikayla, and two lines later I stated I was only kidding "19:29:01TheNewDeal:Usagi will open one for you, just send him a,pm"
mircea_popescu: both answered, buncha stuff, seem reasonable enough guys. i sent them a link to webirc
cazalla: mircea_popescu: cazalla http://trilema.com/2012/the-bitcoin-drama-timeline/#comment-109313 << check that shit out. <<< how do you know it's not his wife but him.. "not a bad guy"
cazalla: seems i drank too much last night and abused some people on twitter
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, it could be anyone. after all, woman's not in the wot.
mircea_popescu: cazalla do i have to fire you now because sjw outrage ?
cazalla: qntra is not big enough for people to demand my head but i'm sure that will happen in time
mircea_popescu: or else we lose all our advertisers ?
cazalla: don't forget that i will capitulate and apologise
mircea_popescu: or maybe the asswipes get to learn that they're being done a favour by being allowed to advertise, not the other fucking way around.
mircea_popescu: too much sjw-ing, too little abject prostration in thanks they've somehow not been killed yet, for no apparent reason.
TheNewDeal: is she about to shit on that dude's face?
cazalla: TheNewDeal, something is protruding from that area
TheNewDeal: can neither confirm not deny?
cazalla: btw bottom left, xbox 360
mircea_popescu: i think there's some diddling involved
kakobrekla: >Antares Rocket explodes
TheNewDeal: this happen today?
mircea_popescu: seems decimation flew a drone there anwyay!
TheNewDeal: "Main engines at 108%"
dub: boosh
kakobrekla: just as i pasted the live feed link, they said "need to secure area cause there was crypto gear on board."
TheNewDeal: could have been the first bitcoin node in space?
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform wtf is this http://pastebin.com/rG1TxJt2
nubbins`: hi again
artifexd: !s openrng
kakobrekla: hm, search be parsing downed pilots
kakobrekla: i mean logs.
artifexd: http://onerng.info/ << asciilifeform: Your thoughts on this project would be appreciated
kakobrekla: downed logs of downed pilots
kakobrekla: artifexd : see log1.
kakobrekla: discussed earlier
cazalla: fkn andreas
artifexd: kakobrekla: Will do. Thanks.
ben_vulpes: apropos only of rockets
ben_vulpes: the throttling!
BingoBoingo: I call dibs on the USG Bezzel Rocket explodes qntra piece!
kakobrekla: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
TheNewDeal: ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com is down
TheNewDeal: fuckfaces
kakobrekla hears fan slowing down due to increased shit intake
jurov: what's the avg volume of the ddos?
mircea_popescu: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is up
mircea_popescu: what is this scam.
TheNewDeal: Posted todays logs up until a few minutes ago
mircea_popescu: !s daily
jurov: kakobrekla: if it isn't terabytes, i can try setting up amazon cdn for you
kakobrekla: for bitbet im already waiting new boxen delivery
BingoBoingo: As matter of record I would like to advance as evidence Google News sucks the point the WKMG in Orlando was the only hit for the term "Nasa Explosion" within the past 12 hours.
kakobrekla: logs - anyone can host - i have an interface for that.
jurov: olay, let's try it with logs
kakobrekla: ;;ident jurov
gribble: Nick 'jurov', with hostmask 'jurov!~jurov@mx.coinbr.com', is identified as user 'jurov', with GPG key id 677ABD62D0AEE7D7, key fingerprint BBB0A99950037551F533850A677ABD62D0AEE7D7, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform sat in traffic jam, waited for rocket, didn't see it - then read #b-a and found live camfeed of it burning
asciilifeform watched that instead
asciilifeform: log dead ?
mircea_popescu: jurov Oct 21 16:41:51 <mircea_popescu>kakobrekla : i see your lulz and raise you my lulz. http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/qntra-bw.png << it's there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform log1 is up.
kakobrekla: ;;isup log1.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log1.bitcoin-assets.com is up
artifexd: !isup trilema.com
kakobrekla: doesnt open here
asciilifeform: dead here
artifexd: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
asciilifeform: also dead here.
artifexd: Yeah. Trilema isn't working from here.
kakobrekla: gribble is drunk
TheNewDeal: I'm not getting trilema either
TheNewDeal: probably just canada with their cups and strings internet
bounce: openbsd apparently dropping loadable kernel module support, so far without announcement. huh.
asciilifeform: crypto gear << yes, they use block cipher. (at least, this was officially proclaimed at one point. used to be DES, even. not sure about today)
mircea_popescu: uhm. i have no idea. anyone unable to load it, pastebin your dig response ?
artifexd: dig response?
mircea_popescu: so does 23.235.235.243 load ?
kakobrekla: indeed - no.
mircea_popescu: PING 23.235.235.243 (23.235.235.243) 56(84) bytes of data. 64 bytes from 23.235.235.243: icmp_seq=1 ttl=49 time=273 ms etc.
mircea_popescu: how about that ?
kakobrekla: ping works
BingoBoingo: bounce> openbsd apparently dropping loadable kernel module support, so far without announcement. huh. << Not many actual uses of them in the first place.
bounce: linux loves 'em to bits
BingoBoingo: Looking into actual uses of them in ports it seems HP bios reflash utility was one of few examples.
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: bounce: Reading comments on different articles about the change everyone with a linux background seems conviced OpenBSD is shooting itself, when really there's different ways to make machines do things.
mircea_popescu: that'd be correct.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi idea why anyone'd not be able to get to it. esp if it pings ok.
mircea_popescu: Load Averages: 0.55 0.41 0.65 << the server is neither under heavy load nor actually split from teh interwebs.
mircea_popescu: ;;isdown trilema.com
gribble: Error: "isdown" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
mircea_popescu: no, srsly ?!
kakobrekla: no worky
mircea_popescu: well this is an entirely new one.
asciilifeform: not a dns diddle either
BingoBoingo: BGP being messed with?
mircea_popescu: and it's not the firewalls either.
mircea_popescu: do you all have a broken implementation of syn cookiues maybe ?!
kakobrekla: ddos protektSON
mircea_popescu: you know they lied, you read it here what, a week ago ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, lied mislead... strong signatures could have made all of the difference.
jurov: tcptraceroute trilema.com 80 results: http://pastebin.com/XWCKY1FE
asciilifeform: can reach here, with almost total packet loss
mircea_popescu: why the fuck am I able to get through to it no problem ?
mircea_popescu: !up petahash
mircea_popescu: !up elementofone
elementofone: hi everyone
petahash: hola
BingoBoingo: Hi elementofone
elementofone: whats up
BingoBoingo: Not NASA...
asciilifeform: meowmix.
elementofone: meow meow meow
petahash: friendly panda
elementofone: my cat loves meowmix
mircea_popescu: lol what did that rocket fall on anyway
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well pieces prolly cover a good area around the pad. Made it up a bit before going boom.
ben_vulpes: !down elementofone
ben_vulpes: !up elementofone
ben_vulpes: what's your question, elementofone?
elementofone: how much does 1 million$ equal in bitcoin?
elementofone: is there a dollar to bitcoin ratio on bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: maybe a few k's, if you're lucky.
ben_vulpes: ;;calc 1000000 / [ticker --last]
gribble: 2808.19994384
elementofone: BEFORE YOU BAN ME
elementofone: IS THERE A BITCOIN STARTERS GUIDE OUT THERE?
ben_vulpes: ya keep going please.
ben_vulpes: what are you looking to learn?
elementofone: TO LEARN ABOUT EVERYTHING ABOUT BITCOIN YO
elementofone: I KNOW NOTHING OF BITCOIN
elementofone: JUST GIVE ME A LINK AND I WILL READ IT THEN BAN ME OK =)
elementofone: whats a pussy bot going to do?
petahash: check out preev.com
petahash: its based on the exchange rate
elementofone: WHATS A GOOD FUCKING WAY TO START BITCOIN?
petahash: turn off caps
elementofone: so 1 dollar equals 353 bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: 1 dollar equals, more or less, nothing.
mircea_popescu: rounded to the closest cent.
petahash: 1 bitcoin = $356 USD
ben_vulpes: ;;ident petahash
gribble: Nick 'petahash', with hostmask 'petahash!~petahash@d173-183-96-243.bchsia.telus.net', is not identified.
danielpbarron: the exploded nasa thing was carrying "crypto equipment" according to CNN
petahash: link?
mircea_popescu: it's in teh log lol.
mircea_popescu: 22:47:16
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:
mircea_popescu: just as i pasted the live feed link, they said "need to secure area cause there was crypto gear on board."
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Text source or details? Kind of assumed golden toilet crypto equiptment goes to space for both sides so the USians and Ruskies can plot on the subject of stabbing the other faction first in case relations become sour...
danielpbarron: i saw it on the tv in a bar
danielpbarron: and thought, "it's not every day i see the word 'crypto' on tv"
danielpbarron: not that i watch much tv
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1255344 @ 0.00076434 = 959.5096 BTC [-] {96}
assbot: Logged on 28-10-2014 23:54:38; petahash: link?
mircea_popescu: duh. so assbot can see it.
kakobrekla: >We're sorry for the confusion, it does appear that this was an inbound attack and we've removed the block on your server. I've also given you a $10 credit as an apology for the inconvenience.
assbot: Qntra.net | Bitcoin News, Views & Commentary
assbot: Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform artifexd kakobrekla srsly can't see it still ?!
kakobrekla: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is up
mircea_popescu: ;;isup bitbet.us
gribble: bitbet.us is up
mircea_popescu: so does the internets work or doesn't it ?! i'm confused.
kakobrekla: qntra & trilema now works
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the weird thing is i saw the log syncing throughout.
kakobrekla: throughout what
kakobrekla: log1 does not feed of log(0)
mircea_popescu: throughout you not being able to see trilema o.O
kakobrekla: well inbound != outbound
kakobrekla: anyway i refused to dance bananas and got paid 10 bux
kakobrekla will more often refuse things.
mircea_popescu: imagine what you could have made if you accepted!
kakobrekla: nothing!
mircea_popescu: i said imagine
artifexd: Trilema is up here now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22461 @ 0.00079407 = 17.8356 BTC [+]
mod6: <@assbot> [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1255344 @ 0.00076434 = 959.5096 BTC [-] {96} << ???
kakobrekla: collected over down period
mod6: oh. ok.
mircea_popescu: catchup looks like
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18359 @ 0.00079101 = 14.5222 BTC [-] {2}
Pierre_Rochard: preaching to the choir cazalla, I’d just like to see the damage to their nick if they ever registered in wot
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> duh. so assbot can see it. < assbot is looking directly in db, not parsing site
cazalla: Pierre_Rochard, they won't ever register and yet someone like kyle torpey is now preaching bitcoin + pgp but isn't even in the wot to begin with
Pierre_Rochard: ;;rate ktorp -1 “lost his key….”
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ktorp has been recorded.
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust ktorp
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user ktorp: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=ktorp | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ktorp | Rated since: Tue Nov 13 20:06:45 2012
assbot: Twitch is trying to change its image by banning sexy streamers
cazalla: well i guess i take that back lol
Pierre_Rochard: cazalla: well he may never register again haha
Pierre_Rochard: that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat)
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user cazalla has been recorded.
xiando: mircea_popescu: I have never heard that tale before so I do not know, so sorry. Interesting tale, though.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 337540.40 in 923 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: -28.11
atcbot: [PityThePool Hashrate]: 487.45 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 0 TH/s
atcbot: [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 55 Ask: 150 Last Price: 46 30d-Vol: 2.99M 30d-High: 266 30d-Low: 1 30d-VWAP: 61
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla> <mircea_popescu> duh. so assbot can see it. < assbot is looking directly in db, not parsing site << when spitting out page titles ?!
mircea_popescu: <Pierre_Rochard> that said, focusing on those on the fence about registering may be a better approach than chastising those who are very reluctant (as they would get a negative rating right off the bat) << i doubt anyone'd care enough to neg them, unless they did stupid shit
kakobrekla: http://dpaste.com/2BNFP71.txt < the line in the middle is not page title, if thats what you meant
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: you would not neg andreas, if he negged you for ‘trolling’ ?
BingoBoingo: <Pierre_Rochard> mircea_popescu: you would not neg andreas, if he negged you for ‘trolling’ ? << Andreas has other sins
mircea_popescu: Pierre_Rochard why the fuck would he do that lol.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, he can't even rate before he gets rated, so it's moot
Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: exactly. Joining WoT would bring the skeletons out. Best for him to try to discredit it from afar
Pierre_Rochard: mircea_popescu: huh, I didn’t know that, interesting
mircea_popescu: seems a bizarre approach anyway, join wot, start negrating people. how far is that gonna go lol,
asciilifeform: works now
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, why would anyone imagine negratings from nobody do anything
xiando: I am just guessing here, but if I rate mircea_popescu 10 bought what SEC doesn't like from him ten times and SEC sends out nastly letters like they did the last few days
xiando: then I could negrate mircea_popescu and hope he gets upset and negrates me?
mircea_popescu: wait, what ?!
xiando: mircea_popescu: would negrating be a way to get good ratings with evidence away?
bounce: what are you on about?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, best i can discern some major routing thing blew at some point somewhere, lost some traffic.
asciilifeform: guessed as much
mircea_popescu: xiando this somehow doesn't make sense. what do you mean "evidence away"?
xiando: seems a bizarre approach anyway, join wot, start negrating people. <- just guessing why someone would do that but I may be way off
xiando: but if it is a freshly created wot account then I am probably way wrong
mircea_popescu: xiando it's like, new kid in school, starts telling all the girls they're ugly,
mircea_popescu: not the best way to behave as a new guy.
bounce: such a person would get a bunch of negrates and drop below the threshold for giving ratings.
bounce wonders if unrating is affected by that
mircea_popescu: bounce i dun think it is.
nubbins`: punkman i grabbed the file via curl instead of copypasta, all checks out
nubbins`: had to slightly modify regex for grabbing raw deed
mircea_popescu: nubbins` didja spend it ?
nubbins`: not yet
nubbins`: .balance
nubbins`: wut is it
mircea_popescu: so spend it!
mircea_popescu: Greetings. Sir or Madam. I am Mrs Aminatu Mariam, from South Sudan. I want to invest in your country Azibaijan and settle down there with my
mircea_popescu: family. I want to know more about your country if possible. << anyone looking for a south sudanese chick ?
mircea_popescu: !up amantonop
BingoBoingo: Fuck, why does my neigborhood choose World Series time to become RF noisy.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: <--?-->
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Watching the game on broadcast TV.
asciilifeform: ^ if that isn't a standard symbol, it should be
bounce: because watching sports is your neighbourhood's preferred way to waste time and it obviously needs wireless to (re)transmit the signals
asciilifeform: ('which causes which ?')
BingoBoingo: bounce: TV antenna lives on roof.
BingoBoingo: Noise somewhere around is fucking up the reception.
bounce: so? think wifi for streaming or even video repeaters using the same ISM band
assbot: Bitcoin Options Are Back At IG Markets | Qntra.net
asciilifeform: congrats jurov!
jurov: only gpg signed message checking
BingoBoingo: bounce: UHF channel 43, 644-650 MHz
asciilifeform: jurov: can we crap in it yet?
jurov: yes. if you're in wot, you don't even need to register
jurov: only for receiving
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 08da464bf2037d36f7e4ac68f5fa9bc1dfc9c4cc707d446caaf5b51dcd6b87e4
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wd!
mircea_popescu: punkman first confirmative tx!
asciilifeform mailed in a turd
bounce: in that case, might be, oh, "gigabit" powerline things. the faster they go, the higher up in the spectrum their noise goes
asciilifeform: jurov: borked ?
jurov: possibly
asciilifeform: jurov: 'subscribe' dead too
jurov: "Invalid signature." grrr
BingoBoingo: bounce: Whatever it is if it doesn't stop by the 6th I might have to find it.
jurov: indeed the signature does not verify
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30853 @ 0.00079397 = 24.4964 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: verified great here...
asciilifeform: fucking lineendings.
asciilifeform: yours: cr/lf.
mircea_popescu: i think i'm in a hurricane over here. rain is more like a solid curtain than anything.
assbot: - YouTube
jurov: it won't verify even with \n only
asciilifeform: verified fine here.
jurov: it's the same as in the tarball?
jurov looks
asciilifeform: that one had detached sig
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3475 @ 0.00079407 = 2.7594 BTC [+]
nubbins`: also if anyone is curious, the following links may be of some use as a quick and dirty deed verification system:
assbot: [Bash] deed.sh - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol not bad.
assbot: [JavaScript] processdeed.js - Pastebin.com
nubbins`: ^ node.js and a couple libs required
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i admit, i like practical jokes and stage magic
nubbins`: feel free to transmogrify
mircea_popescu: who doesn't, it's like chocolate.
rithm: i'm working on my own personal webtorrent thingy right now
rithm: it's node
nubbins`: usage: ./deed.sh DEED-ID
jurov: aab1f8ea8c7f131ff69dfa3b9437ba35531018be760132dd6373f41a591f6382 bitcoin-bitcoin-v0.5.3-0-gd05c03a.tar.gz << asciilifeform this line got split in the email
nubbins`: rithm i only started playing with node last week
asciilifeform: jurov: passed after that?
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: not bad so far
mircea_popescu: rithm not bad.
jurov: yes passes (with 2 spaces inbetween)
asciilifeform: jurov: let me try again with another gizmo
jurov: CORRECT SOURCE AND RESUBNIT
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0M35QMB.txt )
nubbins`: heh.
asciilifeform: jurov: ok how about that one
jurov: another discard.. in your outbox the line is not split?
asciilifeform: 'squirrelmail' also retarded.
mircea_popescu: don't hate it just because it uses STANDARD CLRLBLABLA^H^H^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@
rithm: mircea_popescu this thing on HN today made me want my own http://joker.org
assbot: Joker.org | .torrent -> streamable video
nubbins`: CLRF IS THE STANDARD NEWLINE
rithm: i assume it's overloaded by now
nubbins`: ED IS THE STANDARD TEXT EDITOR
rithm: maybe it still works shrug
jurov: in kmail there's option "wordwrap at column:", guess it can be set in most editors
asciilifeform: and folks ask me wtf i mean when i say 'we don't have computers yet'
asciilifeform: there was no line break retardation going in!
jurov: try leaving the body empty and put the mesg as first attachemnt
decimation: re: crypto gear << probably something that talks to this: https://www.viasat.com/files/assets/web/datasheets/KS-252_datasheet_008.pdf
mircea_popescu: attachment usually works.
bounce: well, no, there wasn't. forget the cr and the thing'd just sit there and beep. forget the lf and you'd eventually cut the paper.
asciilifeform: jurov: sent
BingoBoingo: So rf environment here calmed its bitch down
mircea_popescu: bounce so you are saying we're stuck computing on annimated typewriters because reasons ?
asciilifeform: 'hysterical raisins'
jurov: nope, it did base64 encode it and put it as second attachment after empty text/plain part
jurov: /o\
bounce: we more or less are, yes. except that those paper-driven things actually did stuff with the control codes and could produce accents in just 7 bits
jurov: guess it has to loop over all parts.
mircea_popescu: bounce i guess i best get my carwhip fixed then.
bounce: yes, get on with it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27000 @ 0.00078993 = 21.3281 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: one needs email client that allows to disable linewrap and richtext
asciilifeform: no rich text crap here
asciilifeform: and no wraps going in
mircea_popescu: ... and thisis how jurov ended up rewriting the lighbulb.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.0007899 = 22.7886 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: possibly these will have to travel armoured and rsa'd to turdatron's pubkey
asciilifeform: to avoid mutilation
asciilifeform: because retardation everywhere.
jurov: when i bruteforce scan all mime parts this one would pass
bounce: 7bit ascii, line lengths within 80 cols or so. otherwise you end up with encodings and wraps and whatnots.
mircea_popescu: jurov yeah srsly, maybe only accept base64'd emails ?
asciilifeform: bounce: 80 cols << satoshi's original fails!
mircea_popescu: then decode check etc ?
BingoBoingo: Oh ground rule double.
jurov: it knows how to decode base64 that's not a problem
mircea_popescu: so then, emails can only be sent to list as base64'd signed matter.
bounce: properly decode the mime encoding crapola? quoted-printable and all that.
jurov: just i thought i don't need to scan all the (nested!) mime parts
bounce: haha. of course you have to do that.
jurov: srs, i now wonder what the dude that made the patch and supposedly maintains it, what he uses it for?
decimation: asciilifeform: must maintain compatibility to 1974!
bounce: you thought you could get off easy? not so fast. this is mime.
mircea_popescu: mime is such gunk
jurov: it did not support mime before at all
asciilifeform: this is reason #.... why it all needs to burn
bounce: that it is. but moreover email isn't bitwise consistent, which any cryptographic hash function requires
mircea_popescu: and all this bulcrap so some idiot somewhere can send... what was it even ? html emails ?
decimation: as I pointed out last night, 7-bit ascii has perfectly good SOM/EOM chars
asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
jurov: stan can't you just paste it to mailx for now?
asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
mircea_popescu: so quotable.
asciilifeform: jurov: i won't use mail clients.
bounce: mime aspires to be clothing worthy of an emperor.
decimation: so really it's not even ascii, it's tard-ascii which is a much less useful subset of ascii
asciilifeform: the only kind available when the net is involved
nubbins`: ^ i want my coffee to cost 3470
nubbins`: subunit-of-the-month
decimation: what's that symbol?
bounce: oh sod off. what's with the spamming of that stupid picture?
asciilifeform: a microscope.
asciilifeform: 19th. c. vintage
asciilifeform: with convenient ocular/hammer handle combo.
nubbins`: bounce you have inline images turned on? :0
assbot: Ham Radio History
decimation: " A Wouff Hong is a fictional tool used to "punish" Amateur Radio operators, who demonstrate poor operating practices."
BingoBoingo: Two ground rule doubles in one inning???
decimation: fun fact: usg banned ham radio during WWII
decimation: because!
asciilifeform: like all the other combatants.
mircea_popescu: decimation for obvious reasons neh ?
decimation: sure, so if we have another war are they gonna ban the internet?
nubbins`: what do you think 8)
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nao Internet bans the war!!!
mircea_popescu: decimation certainly.
decimation: asciilifeform: reminds me of the first Stierlitz episode where he receives the enciphered message on shortwave
asciilifeform: decimation: like everybody ever ?
asciilifeform: decimation: nobody cancelled it even now
asciilifeform: dildotron!
mircea_popescu: note that the surprised face is midway :D
asciilifeform: operator's hands suggestively obscure the functional unit.
decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. if you have an interest in such stations, see this: http://www.numbersoddities.nl/
assbot: Numbers stations home page
assbot: Verizon-bankrolled news site bans stories on US spying and net neutrality | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: 'The site has headlines such as "Why The Future Of Anonymous Browsing Lies In Hardware," ' << lol! even after 'kickstarter' threw out the turd?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "because user can't modify hardware as easily" ?
decimation: well obviously joe sixpack is going to design and reduce his own vhdl
mircea_popescu: the current problem of teh nsa is that future roi on baby exploits is dubious at best.
mircea_popescu: so very little incentive to design new stuff.
asciilifeform: the future of asking people nicely to shoot themselves in the head, however, is bright!
asciilifeform: for some reason - they often oblige
decimation: what I find amusing watching snowden is that he clearly sees that unelected bureaucrats have 'stolen' power. Yet, he thinks that 'democracy' will actually reign sovereign!
mircea_popescu: funny how that works, huh.
asciilifeform: decimation: what makes you think mr. s thinks? or even lives ?
mircea_popescu: people get these fixed ideas.
decimation: You mean like he's max headroom now?
asciilifeform: more osama than max
asciilifeform: 'historical fiction'
decimation: like, the constitution wasn't powerful enough to constrain bureaucrats, so maybe a constitutional remedy will fix it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doesn't he show up to conferences and shit ?
asciilifeform: not afaik
asciilifeform: well, in a sense, via whorecam
asciilifeform: the way osama did.
mircea_popescu doesn't really care one way or another.
assbot: Lawrence Lessig interviews Edward Snowden | Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics
mircea_popescu: let him get in the wot.
asciilifeform doesn't care particularly much, except for sport
decimation: nah, he's pretty much a nobody
mircea_popescu: wait! is orlov alive ?
decimation: it's obvious he will be used as a figurehead that will represent yet another cause that deserves a usg teat
mircea_popescu: what if they replaced orlov with yarvin
mircea_popescu: and yarvin with that dead banker
jurov: asciilifeform: retry
BingoBoingo: Reason #8 to follow sports, Provides context for evaluating other pursuits one follows for the sport of it.
asciilifeform: jurov: retried (message in body)
jurov: line split again
asciilifeform: retried w/ attachment
BingoBoingo searches for conspiracies positing Matheny responsible for killing Taveras
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00078988 = 20.5369 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: "Message signed by key which does not match message sender address" ohmy
asciilifeform: retardation
asciilifeform: wtf does it matter from what email
assbot: Newly Facebook-owned WhatsApp lost roughly $200M in 2 years | Ars Technica
decimation: BingoBoingo: how could it possibly 'gain money?
asciilifeform: usg donation?
decimation: like, they start $19 bn in the hole and the have an app?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Merit Washing?
jurov: btw.. what if someone takes your chicken.asc and uses it to spam the list?
asciilifeform: jurov: good point. let's serial # ?
jurov: we'll come to that later
asciilifeform: that or simply store hashes of msg
asciilifeform: and reject dupes
assbot: Feds have identified, searched suspected second intelligence leaker | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: rectothermal inquest, rectothermal verdict, rectothermal sentence...
asciilifeform: who's the 'third leaker' who leaked the impalement of the second ?
BingoBoingo: Or they broke him, the Winston solution
BingoBoingo: Yahoo is third leaker so...
BingoBoingo: Crafted disinfo?
BingoBoingo: 4th is Yahoo
decimation: eh, it seems to me that usg has capitulated to reality
decimation: the reality that they can't keep secrets, that is
asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges.
BingoBoingo: Shhhh.... Poor form to say that when I'm pricing barges
decimation: oh, I can totally see them capitulate if it means they get a nanoslice of power in exchange
assbot: 30x36x3 sectional barge year unknown 3 sections 10x36x3 $40,000 for all 3 sections. | Barges and Work Boats for Sale
jurov: better set up the line wrap
asciilifeform: set up?
jurov: disable
asciilifeform: it isn't enabled!
asciilifeform: what, i gotta debug 'squirrelmail' now ?
cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/10/mit-bitcoin-project-goes-live/ less than a week to claim the coins, i wonder if what remains will be pocketed by someone
assbot: MIT Bitcoin Project Goes Live | Qntra.net
jurov: mhm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00079429 = 14.8532 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: subscriptions now work.. and the above problems are prolly better to sleep on
asciilifeform: above problem should probably involve ascii-armoured gpgrams
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> decimation: Merit Washing? << actually 200mn is a gross understatement.
decimation: of the gains or losses?
asciilifeform: because i will -not- be dealing in mail client internals.
mircea_popescu: of the losses lol
mircea_popescu: what gains
jurov: just wrap the text before signing?
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform can't picture these folks 'capitulating to reality' even after they're hogtied in the drowning barges. <<< this because they understand how "the world" works.
jurov: wordwrap
asciilifeform: i will not be massaging code to fit in this mess either
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Whatsapp is a premium value loser for USG because of the large non-USian user population. Maybe ISIS has an account there.
asciilifeform: no, no, and no.
mircea_popescu: does stan sound like a rambunctious bad boy or what
asciilifeform draws the line at coprophagia
decimation: I'm trying to get an openbsd vm running for 'adult' platform
mircea_popescu: but all the other girls ate shit!
asciilifeform: crackwhoring, codewhoring, every other depravity - sure.
nubbins`: table=flipped
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i have nfi why the libtards keep going with the "x many people nobody gives a shit about have no access to clean water"
asciilifeform: and the peculiar flavour of the articles, as if water were vented to outer space
mircea_popescu: it'd go a lot further if it read "three out of four black adults ate on average a pound of shit in 2013"
assbot: How to end Gamergate: A divide-and-conquer plan.
asciilifeform: !s recycled food
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lmao these dorks
asciilifeform: 'doxed' !
assbot: CAVIRTEX Class Action Lawsuit | The official class action lawsuit against CAVIRTEX
decimation: in london in the 19th century, most paupers drank straight from the thames
nubbins`: legitimatewebsite.com
decimation: generally they would let the turds settle to the bottom of a bucket before drinking
asciilifeform: spammershill.com
decimation: coinshit.edu
nubbins`: the OFFICIAL class action lawsuit
mircea_popescu: as opposed to what, the officious class action ?
nubbins`: offer expires nov 1, send info today
nubbins`: What information do I need to provide to file a claim?
mircea_popescu: so i'm watching "nudist colon y of the dead". there should be an award for this level of forced humor
nubbins`: etc etc, "Other information that you feel is relevant"
mircea_popescu: "humor".
decimation: actually 'clean water' in india is quite dangerous, owing to the deposits of arsenic in the water
mircea_popescu: !up sxejno
asciilifeform: 'clean water' in india is quite dangerous << ??? - arsenic and shit cancel out in a burst of gamma ray ?
mircea_popescu: decimation india actually has much less of a problem than shitafrica.
sxejno: thanks mircea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, because shit is mostly dead red cells
jurov: no that's piss
mircea_popescu: (shit cleans arsenic out of water throuigh roughly the same chemistry arsenic poisons live humans)
asciilifeform: bioscavenger!
jurov: red cells go to kidneys
asciilifeform: jurov: i think mircea_popescu is speaking of bioscavenging
mircea_popescu: jurov nah, some hemoglobin clears through kidneys, but most goes to the colon
decimation: yeah, filtering water through lots of carbon is generally a good idea
asciilifeform: ;;google bioscavenger
gribble: PharmAthene | Bioscavenger: <http://www.pharmathene.com/product-portfolio/bioscavenger>; The Center For Catalytic Bioscavenger Medical Defense Research: <http://usamricd.apgea.army.mil/apps/ICDU54/>; Army Seeks Development of Bioscavenger Prophylactics for ...: <http://globalbiodefense.com/2012/04/09/army-seeks-development-of-bioscavenger-prophylactics-for-chemical-nerve- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: and incidentally, i live in the world's capital for arsenic poisoning
decimation: really?
sxejno: so mircea, arsenic aside, but still on the topic of toxins, have you heard any more from the US SEC or whatever other agencies?
mircea_popescu: no, but in an amusing development every noob in the space has started pretending they got one too.
sxejno: ahaha
sxejno: none here, since early 2011
sxejno: haha
mircea_popescu: where is here again ?
BingoBoingo: I still only have that one front door visit from the feds
sxejno: in the land of the free
mircea_popescu: sxejno what languages do you translate to/from ?
sxejno: haha, I could tell you, but you could find out if you know that much.
TheNewDeal: land of the free - is that sub-saharan africa?
sxejno: If you haven't found out in a few minutes I'll tell you
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25099 @ 0.00078987 = 19.8249 BTC [-]
jurov: !up nara_narayana
assbot: Gawker is toxic to brands who partner with them | adland.tv
assbot: Around 100,000 Hungarians rally for democracy as internet tax hits nerve| Reuters
mircea_popescu: !up nara_narayana
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Gawker toxic to advertizers: http://adland.tv/adnews/gawker-toxic-brands-who-partner-them/1291467968 << this is quite true, and not just of them.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm just amazed that in the battle ov Redditors vs. Shitty Journos, both sides are losing so profoundly
nara_narayana: it's rhetoric is degrading quickly on both sides
nara_narayana: one can only laugh
BingoBoingo: I mean Gawker particularly calls people out on harassment yet they wrote: http://gawker.com/335894/peter-thiel-is-totally-gay-people
assbot: Peter Thiel is totally gay, people
nara_narayana: what are you, homophobic?
BingoBoingo: Just Amazing to see cast iron implements call each other out on their composition
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
thestringpuller: amazing like south park
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
jurov: not composition, color
sxejno: so did you figure out my languages, mircea?
nara_narayana: should have put a /s
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well, sure
jurov: "you pot iron!" "you zamak!"
assbot: Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0Y2PX2Z.txt )
BingoBoingo: Is black zamak a thing yet?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo no, it's how it works.
mircea_popescu: ;;google translate nigger to russian
gribble: (google translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results.
mircea_popescu: (it's негр, for the record)
mircea_popescu: негр цинка
jurov: αράπης (google said)
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1R2HB6W.txt )
mircea_popescu: that means arab. it's how you say "slave" in romanian, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: because all romanians knew of slaves was through the arabic slaves of the medieval turks.
jurov: črnuh << somalian
kakobrekla: hey hey!
assbot: Oci Ciornie - YouTube
mircea_popescu: guy learned russian phonetically, it sounds totally like ai.
undata: "Like the immigrant Jews who created Hollywood a century ago, a gay investor has no way to fit into the old establishment." << pffffffff
nara_narayana: he is reading a script
undata: shit, I was scrolled up. That was from the Thiel article
undata: ah, not as scrolled as I thought.
undata: on a restaurant nearby someone spraypainted "gay is race"
mircea_popescu: undata wait, you disagree from experience about the gay fitting, or you're shocked and surprised that thiel may actually take your peculiar payment ?
undata: apparently trying to make the same idiotic point
undata: mircea_popescu: I disgree that it's worth mentioning
mircea_popescu: what else isn't worth mentioning ?
nara_narayana: sexual orientation, i would say
mircea_popescu: i mention it all the time!
mircea_popescu: or is it only for fags ?
undata: mircea_popescu: the writer is trying to cast himself as part of some team which Thiel brings some kind of social progress honor to
undata: the two people have nothing of note in common
mircea_popescu: ah that. well certainly.
nara_narayana: in matters such as this, i couldn't care less where you stick your penis
mircea_popescu: kinda the job of internet nobodies, innit ? "i saw x thing on google trends now i'm going to write about it in a vain but strongly held hope that mayhap the association may benefit me"
mircea_popescu: decentralized commercial copywriting,
mircea_popescu: Lycerion, ce din genuni rasari cu-o-ntreaga lume, nu cere semne si minuni care n-au chip si nume.
decimation: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/ << "Recently, there was a thread on Reddit asking – Redditors Against Gay Marriage, What Is Your Best Supporting Argument? A Reddit user who didn’t understand how anybody could be against gay marriage honestly wanted to know how other people who were against it justified their position. ... It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against
assbot: I Can Tolerate Anything Except The Outgroup | Slate Star Codex
decimation: gay marriage."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4003 @ 0.00078924 = 3.1593 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: guy learned russian phonetically, it sounds totally like ai << gets worse. 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmAxM5GixMM 2) (danger! bagpipe) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ep0LMkJBBbs
assbot: Katusha - Ottoman Military Band and Red Army Choir - YouTube
assbot: _-_ - YouTube
asciilifeform: (1 - turks. 2 - jp)
mircea_popescu: lol manele katjusha
assbot: Scene from "Casablanca" movie - YouTube
TheNewDeal: thestringpuller : oh isn't that speeshal
asciilifeform: decimation: It soon became clear that nobody there was actually against << http://www.republibot.com/content/book-review-%E2%80%9C-star-diaries%E2%80%9D-stanislaw-lem-1971 >> grep 'eleventh voyage.'
assbot: BOOK REVIEW: The Star Diaries by Stanislaw Lem (1971) | Republibot
asciilifeform: (spoiler alert)
decimation: asciilifeform: interesting - it seems doctor who ripped this guy off
asciilifeform: in usa (?) they recently put out a film purporting to be a riff on his epic 'futurological congress'
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how anyone even uses any of the sites in the gawker empire of crap. and incidentally tech crunch or mashable are exacly the same shit : exactly 0 comments, no content, just a bunch of pointless, flashy page elements.
mircea_popescu: i would be very surprised if the "top 10" blogs actually get any reads at all.
asciilifeform: advanced spamatronics.
thestringpuller: woot woot
thestringpuller: world series is goin to game 7
mircea_popescu: i mean watsapp lost money ? heh. all these derps only survive exactly on the myspace ticket : old people like ted turner have nfi what's what online,
mircea_popescu: and so they keep pouring money in.
mircea_popescu: !up bitspill_
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
decimation: if morality is only that which arouses sympathies - an each man has his own unique sentiment - how is moral discussion possible, given no constant set of assumptions to build upon?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: and so they keep pouring money in. << 55 employees and purchased for 19 billion?
thestringpuller: ;;calc 19000000000 / 55
gribble: 345454545.455
thestringpuller: ^- per capita?
decimation: they are very important people you see
mircea_popescu: decimation what constant set of assumption do we have in common ?
thestringpuller: if there were text book example for "The Case of Too Much Money" this would be in that chapter.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, what constant set of assumptions do physicists have in common ? if discussion relied on constant assumptions, science'd be in principle impossible.
decimation: empricism
mircea_popescu: how is that constant ?
mircea_popescu: empiricism is about as constant as beauty.
decimation: no, I mean empricism is in principle impossible, not science
mircea_popescu: how do you distinguish ?
mats_cd03: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8522247 << hn is so disappointing sometimes
assbot: Smuggling Snowden Secrets | Hacker News
mats_cd03: top comment conflates gpg with pgp, ten odd comments in a useless discussion about key exchange and comms over the same channel, five comments by a bunch of fucking dummies talking about key signing parties, and a few pumping keybase
decimation: that which can be synthesized without reference to sensory experience
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 seems about par for the hnourse.
mircea_popescu: decimation so metaphysics ?
decimation: heh yeah I've been reading kant
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19700 @ 0.00078861 = 15.5356 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00079104 = 18.5103 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16675 @ 0.00079255 = 13.2158 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: hn << notice how the circus has all of the obligatory clowns, acrobats. including the inescapable shitgnomes pushing 'keybase' etc.
assbot: Uploading private keys puts users at risk Issue #160 keybase/keybase-issues GitHub
ben_vulpes: " I'd like my secret key on multiple machines, and I don't know how to move it around easily."
ben_vulpes: "Although I agree that it's totally insecure, no matter how you sugar coat it--I really don't think it's a feature that should be removed."
mircea_popescu: he probably doesn't think windows is a feature that should be removed either.
ben_vulpes: here's a wack notion
thestringpuller: dude these comments are just
ben_vulpes: if i spin up two bitcoinds and use cli arg '-connect' to point them at each other, can they mine?
thestringpuller: these people exist?
bounce: "insecurity is a feature we should not remove"
ben_vulpes: can/will
ben_vulpes: wacky*
asciilifeform: bounce: recall the 'null ciphers' in ssl et al
asciilifeform: classic shitgnomery
asciilifeform: 'must give the option of shooting self in head'
asciilifeform: never know when you might want to!
asciilifeform: esp. in the middle of a connection.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yes.
mircea_popescu: you'll have to hack the checkpoints in
ben_vulpes: (also i'm assuming that you're not trolling me and saying "yes they'll mine in the sense of hashing loltworotlzlzlzl")
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more inclined to hack the checkpoints out.
ben_vulpes: but this could be retarded - i don't actually know.
mircea_popescu: i don't see a problem with their going away.
ben_vulpes suspects checkpoints are the dumb thing here
mircea_popescu: and yes, they will mine, on their own chain, obviously.
ben_vulpes: that's what i suspected.
ben_vulpes: look at that! regtest mode implemented in configuration. no chainparams.cpp necessary.
ben_vulpes: (theoretically, ofc).
thestringpuller: !t h AM1
assbot: [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.10200000 / 0.10303907 / 0.10909900 (46 shares, 4.73979700 BTC), 7D: 0.09000000 / 0.1126693 / 0.15000000 (1984 shares, 223.53589961 BTC), 30D: 0.09000000 / 0.11913696 / 0.19210002 (5682 shares, 676.93620858 BTC)
mircea_popescu: !up Phoebus
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