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ThickAsThieves: <+mats_cd03> lol dude operates a mixer. /// probly part of the trap
kakobrekla: fucking do idiots.
ThickAsThieves: oh mp sez ATC iz ded nao?
ThickAsThieves: we'll see
RagnarDanneskjol: the pool or the coin?
ThickAsThieves: well it's still got pool
ThickAsThieves: and hash
ThickAsThieves: someone sold down the mkt tho
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh - that would be easy to do
RagnarDanneskjol: yea pool's still going. I was under impression it was for amusement purposes / didn't realize it had any particular value
ThickAsThieves: well it's a decent testcoin
ThickAsThieves: and it's no premine
RagnarDanneskjol: 51% attack would be a cinch too - especially with majority of hashing on p2pool
ThickAsThieves: hehe maybe good tool to practice overtaking btc then
ThickAsThieves: it's Altcoin, it is what it is
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1BTC if you throw me some rank, you can send me pictures of your titties as well, with a string of text written on them. ;)
BingoBoingo: !up fivezerotwo
fivezerotwo: ty although i'm just lurking
nubbins`: found my OLPC xo-1 from back in 2007
nubbins`: they're actually still updating everything
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you've missed a lot in the logs.
ThickAsThieves: apparently so
ThickAsThieves: i thought i read em all...
cazalla: mircea_popescu, can't upload files, dir not writable
cazalla: at least not via wordpress anyway
mircea_popescu: cazalla uh so make it writable or what.
cazalla: dunno, i used pos file manager in cpanel so doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: a i think wordpress has a narrow size limit, may be 1mb or somethign
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: I'll send you 0.1 BTC, same deal, if you provide me with some WOT rank, and if you want to do some personal shots, with a string of my choice, that's highly encouraged as well.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate PinkPosixPXE -1 Sure, there you go.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user PinkPosixPXE has been recorded.
PinkPosixPXE: except, it's not a competition, you just get the 0.1 BTC
assbot: digitalBTC Release September Quarterly Report | Qntra.net
othernubs`: but without competition, we have nothing
PinkPosixPXE: well if you all want to compete, that's fine too. But I'd secure the 0.1 for mircea_popescu
PinkPosixPXE: but he doesn't seem fond of the idea
mircea_popescu: cazalla i dun get it. how exactly they earned 6k btc ?
cazalla: they say they mined it
mircea_popescu: not through that entire mintsy bs, "allowing people to add their computers" to the... world's largest first and best exchange nobody uses
mircea_popescu: they mined 240 blocks in 3 months ?
othernubs`: 3 blocks a day
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 52/4 / 2 * 2036
gribble: 13234
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 240 / 13234
gribble: 0.0181351065438
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326129 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 462 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 8 hours, 56 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 36016235848.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.89623
mircea_popescu: hm wrong one.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,hash
gribble: Error: "bc,hash" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 251094498.651
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.0181351065438 * 251094498.651
gribble: 4553625.4856
mircea_popescu: they got 4,5ph then ?
othernubs`: C- student did not show work
cazalla: they've done a few million dollar deals with bitfury, so they claim anyway, i don't know who is jewing who anymore
othernubs`: would not etc etc
mircea_popescu: cazalla somehow i have trouble believing this story, but hey.
cazalla: well the zhenya guy apparently is russian mafia
cazalla: who knows though, guy had puff daddy perform for his missus at her birthday bash
mircea_popescu: i like the brick and mortar way this is going.
mircea_popescu: weren';t we discussing a month or so ago the unfortunate affairs of a puff daddy promoter, ended up in jail for fraud ?
cazalla: anyway, i'm not claiming it's factual, they are and it's what they submitted to asx, i find it interesting to follow this lot though
mircea_popescu: is it actually published on an oz gov site anywhere ?
cazalla: it is published on the asx so just as good
mircea_popescu: aha aite then.
gribble: Time since last block: 29 minutes and 8 seconds
cazalla: the company never gives specific information as to whether they mine on their own or part of a pool or how much hashing power they have
mircea_popescu: ;;google bre-x
gribble: Bre-X - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bre-X>; Bre-X $6 Billion Gold Fraud Story - Business Insider: <http://www.businessinsider.com/bre-x-6-billion-gold-fraud-indonesia-2014-10?op=1>; A Lode of Lies: How Bre-X Fooled Everyone - Washington Post: <http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/inatl/longterm/canada/stories/brex051897.htm>
cazalla: so is it problematic to continue posting about them? i'm not claiming what they published is legit, it's more just to cover what they claim until such time it's proven to be a fraud
cazalla: and not much news around today either
punkman: ;;isitup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: Error: "isitup" is not a valid command.
punkman: ;;isitdown log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
punkman: 'ello
mircea_popescu: cazalla well no, since they filed and etc it's solid news.
punkman: "We're just sending you a courtesy e-mail to let you know that the funds you deposited into your Envato Market account some time ago are about to expire."
punkman: "Envato expires cash deposits automatically after one year as a small percentage of users leave money in their account for long periods of time and cannot be contacted. Unfortunately Envato cannot be responsible for holding cash for indefinite periods"
punkman: fuckers
mircea_popescu: cazalla so if they bought 4.5Ph from bitfury that'd have cost them about
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 4500 * 1700
gribble: 7650000
mircea_popescu: do they list 7.65 mn in assets ?
assbot: CrimeFlare
mircea_popescu: "CloudFlare is a venture-funded startup that routes around Internet abuse by acting as a reverse proxy." wait wut ?
mircea_popescu: this looks and feels like that "steve gibson research" nut.
cazalla: i think they claim they spent 2.5m with bitfury
mircea_popescu: they didn't get gear to mine 6k bitcoins in 3 months for 2.5mn from bitfury, that's certain.
mircea_popescu: either they're lying about the bitcoins incoming, or they're paying a 5-10% to rent hashes.
mircea_popescu: prolly both, i guess.
mircea_popescu: anyway, see if the russian mobster puff daddy guy is willing to give you an interview. you got at least 10 decent q's to ask him in here.
cazalla: here we go "One such customer is the Australian stock market listed Digital BTC6, which purchased mining hardware from BitFury in March, May and August ((March and May purchase was a $2 million investment, August was $1.3 million.) of 2014.
cazalla: so 3.3m to earn 6k in past quarter
mircea_popescu: lmao this book is cooked.
cazalla: which is probably why they don't get specific about hashing power, where they mine etc etc
cazalla: i think they probably get the extra from skimming cloudhashing customers
mircea_popescu: there's not enough in that.
cazalla: plus they claimed to have sold old hardware and rent out 10% or 15% of their own hashing power
mircea_popescu: but anyway, my earlier figures were based on a june buy.
mircea_popescu: if they bought in march...
mircea_popescu: nethash back then was just about 25 ph total. like fuck they bought 1/5th of the network and nobody knew.
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 2345.62 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 8.00 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.76 TH/s
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1854543.95 in 1717 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 294.96
punkman: BingoBoingo, is the vicious diff cycle gonna repeat there?
assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net
Apocalyptic: !isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: 'It's Not the Shark's Fault': Aussie Teen Surfer Laughs After Shark Bites Her Leg
cazalla: punkman, a wobbegong is nothing like a great white
cazalla: those and port jackson sharks bite cunts all the time
punkman: cazalla: I wouldn't know, no sharks around here
cazalla: sorta like thinking a manul is a tiger
assbot: Poor kids who do everything right don’t do better than rich kids who do everything wrong - The Washington Post
cazalla: "Affluent parents talk to their kids three more hours a week on average than poor parents, which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7
punkman: young brains need input, I suppose that's good
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
cazalla: yeah, i've read to my son almost every day since he was born, teach him basic sign language as well but he just turned 9 months and is yet to use it, i've read the bright kids usually pick it up sooner
bounce: mix in some foreign languages while at it
chetty: kids won{t communicate unless they need to, are you over helpful?
cazalla: bounce, my parents never taught me :\ chetty, sorta have to be helpful with a 9 month old, least in my limited experience, can't cook his own meal or get the titty ready
cazalla: anyway, that's qntra downunder signing off, another beer and zzz, i'm sure qntra US and A will be on soon
jurov: ;;isup bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: bitcoin-assets.com is down
assbot: Daniel J Bernstein Speaks on Keeping Crypto Insecure | Qntra.net
assbot: CipherTrade
fluffypony: "Many apologies for my personal absence recently and the drop in communications it has contributed to. Unfortunately I have experienced my own period of illness, which came on quite suddenly, over the past ten weeks."
fluffypony: came on quite suddenly
fluffypony: over the past ten weeks
fluffypony: boiling frogs.
fluffypony: if he means it came on quite suddenly and then lasted 10 weeks...well damn, son, I'd be in ICU
fluffypony: the worst I ever had in my entire life was this crazy hayfever where I hardly left my bed for 4 weeks and my nose poured buckets
fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once
assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports
assbot: go home twitter, you're drunk. i'll accept my bugbounty via bitcoin thx http://t.co/iZOoa0hSEb
assbot: The Exterminator's Want-Ad - Shareable
asciilifeform: wind river << no mention, it seems, of what they shipped to be condemned to the penalty, and to whom
assbot: Thanks to all who notified us of the /hashtag/mintpal?src=hash coins. https://t.co/nH85upTbMW We are vigilant on not let them pass through /hashtag/Bitstamp?src=hash
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1958.96 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 2.02 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.63 TH/s
BingoBoingo: punkman: See the logs
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 469547.73 Est. Next Diff: 1379402.06 in 1654 blocks (#48384) Est. % Change: 193.77
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1KiLuqDytoMHu1KRzjh71TRbYraZHSP2xC
kakobrekla: old coins
mod6: %ob
atcbot: 50k@248 44k@245 5k@241 | 50k@44 100k@41 200k@35
assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph
chetty: jajajaja good one, now thats a way to curb gubermint spending
ThickAsThieves: “The Bank of England has identified a technical issue related to some routine maintenance of the RTGS payment system and has paused settlement while we resolve it,” a statement from the Bank said.
ThickAsThieves: or, hey have we been haxored?
assbot: IBM Pays GlobalFoundries $1.5 Billion To Shed Its Chip Division - Slashdot
BingoBoingo: IBM Continues to confound people with the question of "What do they still DO?
ThickAsThieves: here's a good one too
ThickAsThieves: "China got its first official shipments of new iPhones last week, but a new report from web censorship watchdog Great Fire indicates Chinese users may be facing an unpleasant surprise when they try to connect to Apple services at large. As of last night, the Chinese firewall is blocking all local connections to iCloud.com, redirecting those connections to a dummy site designed to look
ThickAsThieves: exactly like Apple's login page."
ThickAsThieves: china giv slurping up credentials
assbot: China may be hacking every iPhone user in the country – Quartz
bounce: oh, they're going through with it? could've had your own chip fab and gotten 1.5bn in the deal too
ThickAsThieves: so my guess is this week wall st's party line will be that everything's okay, markets recover XX% of what was lost last week in a few days, then next week new lows
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0007342 / 0.00073843 / 0.00074163 (1477276 shares, 1,090.88 BTC), 7D: 0.00073316 / 0.00073791 / 0.00074368 (7811540 shares, 5,764.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00073316 / 0.00074319 / 0.00075684 (25376564 shares, 18,859.76 BTC)
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I dunno, Obola seems to even be surpressing MPOE
ThickAsThieves: just a temporary trap tho
ThickAsThieves: s'all i'm sayin
ThickAsThieves: get mom n pop to ignore their investments a bit longer
ThickAsThieves: so gs can nurse the teat
kakobrekla: ;;isup log.bitcoin-assets.com
gribble: log.bitcoin-assets.com is down
kakobrekla: ip has changed, beat your dns
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12347 @ 0.00074163 = 9.1569 BTC [+]
chetty: ThickAsThieves, me thinks gus is running out of that sort of gas, ma n pa is starting to notice
ThickAsThieves: i hope so
assbot: An actual, real paragraph from the draft PHP specification. http://t.co/H9MscHwh90
assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 383.57, Best ask: 384.58, Bid-ask spread: 1.01000, Last trade: 383.5, 24 hour volume: 9973.42180721, 24 hour low: 376.2, 24 hour high: 392.0, 24 hour vwap: 382.624714469
Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration
chetty: well this sort of thing isn't about getting married, its about pushing agenda
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin has so many CEOs
TomServo: decentralized ceos, yo
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326176 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 415 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 0 hours, 42 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35676954134.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.92693
Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role
Adlai: people can be "VP Operations", "VP Executions", etc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4483 @ 0.00074168 = 3.325 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla proclaims itself for CEO of the CEO association
Adlai: and at board meetings, the CEO chair remains empty, like for the prophet Elijah
kakobrekla: himself
kakobrekla: im not it :\
Adlai not it
mircea_popescu: assbot: Kraken Considers Purchasing MtGox Assets As It Pushes Into Japan | Qntra.net << ok, this i don't get.
mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ?
mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla^
kakobrekla: but it sez FOREX on the front page
mircea_popescu: cazalla: which is critical during a child's formative early years." <<< I wonder about this with my son, we're both with him 24/7 << after about 7 or so that's unhealthy.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: boiling frogs. <<< ayup.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Is there a trilema article handy detailing your child rearing tips?
mircea_popescu: you invested in the craig dude ? i mean anything other than the lulz
mircea_popescu: i have a huge investment of lulz with him myself.
mircea_popescu: TomServo are you setting me up ? yeah, i know, i got no kids bla bla. but i speak for the romanian school of psychology, pre 1990 god damn it. i know shit.
TomServo: mircea_popescu: Not at all. I've noticed you have a quite a few is all.
kakobrekla: > Now available on Bloomberg Terminal due to customer demand < just love this, 'all seven users wrote to us that they heard of bloomberg sometime someplace'
mircea_popescu: yeah. but i never really wrote about it because well... that'd be the end of days, mp mommy blogger.
TomServo: hahah
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know bloomberg terminals are still widely used. 50k or so i'd guess.
kakobrekla: yeah well, the only reason they are on bloomber is because of <h1>forex</h1> on frontpage.
mircea_popescu: who you mean, kraken ?
mircea_popescu: nah, just go to some people that aren't mp offer them .1 btc for whatever and you're in.
mircea_popescu: bloomberg isn't as well kept as the wot.
kakobrekla: oh you are making pun
mircea_popescu: anyway, after the entire "we're built with security in mind from the ground up and also please everyone send btc to this address and we'll sort it out later" adventure, and then lying about it...
mircea_popescu: im sure they'll do fine o.O
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: in those 4 weeks I saw a doctor twice and a specialist once << fuck 4 weeks ? i'm throwing a conniption fit in the third motherfucking day
mircea_popescu: i've never been sick for a week straight nor do i think it possible.
mircea_popescu: assbot: Intel Subsidiary Agrees to $750,000 Penalty for Unauthorized Encryption Exports << now that is news! got a BingoBoingo in da haus ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, it's in the cue after I finish the next piece
mircea_popescu giggles excitedly
kakobrekla: do i get like a finders fee
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell kakobrekla here's your finders fee for the intel article
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: o i got a new msg!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla wanna write it up ? or... make the woman do it ?
kakobrekla: low on time. let PinkPosixPXE write.
kakobrekla: for some redemption
mircea_popescu: i guess that'd work.
PinkPosixPXE: I can do that
mircea_popescu: make it good.
mircea_popescu: hey X-Rob in da house ? ello ?
thestringpuller: that's cazalla's job
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller the less of it he has to do, the more of it he can do, ya know ?
thestringpuller: i can't find any real btc news on the net still
thestringpuller: all "this is why x is long on btc"
thestringpuller: "btc is rivaling payments here's why"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and lemme guess, currently being workt on is assbot: House purchases on hold as real-time payment system goes offline - Telegraph ?
BingoBoingo: That's after Intel fine
assbot: IBM Pays To Divest Chip Business | Qntra.net
BingoBoingo: Now writing Intel fine.
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo PinkPosixPXE has that one
kakobrekla: imma brb
BingoBoingo: Ah, then now writing Housing market stalls as payments stop
mod6: find any real btc news on the net still
assbot: Govt tells Christian ministers: Perform same-sex weddings or face jail, fines - Alliance Defending Freedom
BingoBoingo: mod6: Slow on that front
mod6: << bah. anyway, all the real news is on irc.
mod6: sorry, bad copy.
mircea_popescu: mod6 will be fined five ounces of lead and an ounce of ink
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah give the girl a chance.
mircea_popescu: *: Adlai isn't sure that, were he looking for a minister to perform a same-sex marriage, he'd want one who was only doing it under threat of incarceration << details, details. it's the united states of methodical hypocrisy anyway, they don't get married to be married, they get married to get the paperwork.
mircea_popescu: education, work, everything the same. they don't buy shoes to have shoes, they buy shoes for the other people to see they got shoes.
assbot: Warren Buffett losing over $1 billion on IBM - MarketWatch
mircea_popescu: BUT the dynamism embedded in our market economy will continue to work its magic. America’s best days lie ahead.
mircea_popescu: Could anyone really believe the earth was going to swallow up the incredible productive assets and unlimited human ingenuity existing in America?!?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: With this tailwind working for us, Charlie and I hope!!!11
bounce: .oO( god blesses america, doesn't he? )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27050 @ 0.00074028 = 20.0246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i dunno why so many people want to live LONGER
mircea_popescu: so as to what, cover a career built on a deserved reputation for insight under a pile of senile ridicule ?
mircea_popescu: Adlai: how about from now on, no btc-related company ever fills the "ceo" role <<< welcome to mpex in 2011 :)))
chetty: what is a ceo?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn't you have some background information on bitcoinshop.us
mircea_popescu: !s bitcoinshop.us
thestringpuller: it was on trilema
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoinshup
gribble: No matches found.
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com bitcoinshop
gribble: Scam flavour of the day : bitcoinshop.us aka Hotel Management ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/scam-flavour-of-the-day-bitcoinshopus-aka-hotel-management-systems-inc-tucn/>; The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>; S.MG, March 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: (1 more message)
thestringpuller: there we go
thestringpuller: the frist one
assbot: Bitcoin Shop Announces Formation of Advisory Board
mircea_popescu: did you get your tablet ?
mircea_popescu: o look at that, you can no longer - bash entries ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea. and then broke it. i still have my backpack they proxied from china tho.
mircea_popescu: in other news, dji only down half a % today
mircea_popescu: meta-up 200% from yesterday
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17404 @ 0.00073928 = 12.8664 BTC [-] {3}
kakobrekla: meh, that voting system i did there was broked. and i fixed it 3 times and its still broked.
ThickAsThieves: tried breaking it yet?
assbot: Bank of England Payment Settlements Offline: Home Purchases Impossible | Qntra.net
kakobrekla: thats the inherit property, cant get tired of it.
kakobrekla: it is what it is now. up what you like, ignore what you dont, should be ok, over time.
kakobrekla: speaking of this, rating systems are a science of its own
kakobrekla: and i have nfi what would be best here
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i believe it.
mircea_popescu: they are a science, and hardly worth the effort given that w/e, it's just bash quotes
kakobrekla: im a masochist, i heard.
mircea_popescu: it's fine until you start hearing it from gurlz.
chetty: masochist = synonym with programmer, right?
mircea_popescu: !up libertardian
mircea_popescu: libertardian hello brother. are you here to help me turn the tide and breach through the oppressive injustice these ancap redpiller types keep weaving ?
thestringpuller: what are redpillers? people who saw the matrix and think it's real?
assbot: The Red Pill
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller apparently it's a thing. http://trilema.com/2014/please-take-your-pills/ << that's where i discovered it anyway
assbot: Please take your pills. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: oh so like PUA but dumb?
thestringpuller: but more dumb*
mthreat: and i thought the matrix was real
thestringpuller: wait so nerds are getting laid less?
mircea_popescu: well pua has a major disadvantage for your run of the mill usian : it's falsifiable, like a science.
mircea_popescu: they need stuff more like SOCIAL sciences, ie, talkradio. so they came up with this unfalsifiable version that's all yak, no actual anything.
mircea_popescu: course it doesn't deal with cunt anymore except in the meta, but that's really okay for the demo.
thestringpuller: ugh. this reminds me of college which was just high school 2.0
thestringpuller: "We can't get laid. Lets over analyze it to see why girls won't touch our penises"
mircea_popescu: jesus what college did you go ot
thestringpuller: Georgia Tech
thestringpuller: Like MIT but not as cold.
mircea_popescu: there weren't any pacts involved were there ?
mircea_popescu: wtf, wait a second, georgia tech is a major party school.
thestringpuller: Major alcholic school*
thestringpuller: people don't know how to party there!
thestringpuller: it's like 5 guys with 2 girls standing around drinking
thestringpuller: 5 guys for every 2 girls*
mircea_popescu: dude i dunno.
thestringpuller: I guess some kids just never "get" social skills.
mircea_popescu: "Alright chods, some of you could use some help on how to mack and succeed at parties. Mostly pledges do, but some bros could use a review. For anytime throughout the party… If you are standing by yourself at any point, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!! If you are talking to a brother of your pledge brothers when there are girls just standing around, YOU ARE OUTTA HERE!!!"
mircea_popescu: or how did that go.
thestringpuller: Oh yea. One second there was 1 fraternity that was very "rape-y"
thestringpuller: i'll get the leaked email
thestringpuller: Yea that's from it
thestringpuller: "If the party is going good (a.k.a. there are a lot of open girls) try to escalate cause it.s awesome. Here is how to escalate: Try to twist her hips around to face you and dance front to front. FROM THERE THE OPTIONS ARE UNLIMITED! You can make-out with her (tongue on tongue), you can stick your hand up her shirt (not right away though), you can go for a butt grab (outside or inside the shirts), or use your imag
thestringpuller: Yea the girls at Tech are feminist so that email didn't go down too well.
thestringpuller: even though 1 out of every 3 girls found at a fraternity party is looking to hook up
thestringpuller: so I dunno ~_~
mircea_popescu: wtf, why else is she there ? to get out of the atlanta rain ?
thestringpuller: usually it's girls under 21 trying to get free alcohol
thestringpuller: most girls at tech don't put out until they are 22
thestringpuller: ^- not really just making a joke
thestringpuller: But really, I hung out with a fraternity brother once who said he hooked up with a girl who didn't know she had a clitoris.
thestringpuller: But hey that's none of my business.
mircea_popescu: yeah, well, what bros say about women may or may not be indicative of women.
thestringpuller: Not saying it's fact, just plausible given my tenure at the plpace.
thestringpuller: given what occurred during my tenure*
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i was there briefly, it wasn't bad.
thestringpuller: Well you don't get the UGA behavior.
thestringpuller: But that's a little much.
thestringpuller: UGA, when school is in, is like Mini Mardi Gras every weekend.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32200 @ 0.00074178 = 23.8853 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: Football games there leave the city of Athens looking like the Greece Athens right nao
mircea_popescu: shit, there's two of them in atlanta ?
mircea_popescu: well fuck me, maybe i was confusing one with the other
thestringpuller: UGA is in Athens 2 hours east of Atlanta
thestringpuller: Atlatna has Georgia Tech, Georgia State and Emory
thestringpuller: Also Agnes Scott...
mircea_popescu: dude perspective's a bitch. it's almost like you can make no useful judgement about anything of note from having spent half a weekend in some rnadom town
kakobrekla: yeah idiot, should set it below 500w
mircea_popescu: blame tesla
ThickAsThieves: gavin is doing an AMA tomorrow
kakobrekla: on 4chan?
BingoBoingo: !up disident
ThickAsThieves: on fortran
assbot: Bitcoin Blocksize Economics: Gavin is Wrong - Coin Brief
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lol what is that
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mircea_popescu: "Coin Brief is Your Open Source for Digital Currency News, and was formed in April 2014. Since that time it has quickly grown, and is becoming THE hub for digital currency news, information, and tools." ooookay ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14405 @ 0.00074182 = 10.6859 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen danielkrawsiz
gribble: I have not seen danielkrawsiz.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen DanielKrawisz
gribble: DanielKrawisz was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 5 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes, and 51 seconds ago: <DanielKrawisz> Yeah, nodes should be able to use micropayments to charge one another for data.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28052 @ 0.000742 = 20.8146 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell DanielKrawisz "The real issue here is that Bitcoin is almost certainly not sustainable if the block size remains limited to 1 Mb. " << nobody agrees with this idiocy.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: "read it. Was it reviewed by any actual economists? Mine was by five, are we all wrong?" ~gavin
mircea_popescu: just as well you might be saying "the world wil not be sustainable if there's not more social justice"
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: It's the only other article I found disagreeing with Gavin.
mircea_popescu: it may be fashionable AMONG IDIOTS, it's neither true nor important.
ThickAsThieves: we means you when i want you to be me
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves amusingly, usgavin is pulling out the "your shit's not usg certified" card.
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp-a-derp, such a valid argument that is, really.
mircea_popescu: perhaps we "just don't understand how the world works".
mircea_popescu: anyway, if anyone wants to ask gavin anything, you've got plenty of material in here.
ThickAsThieves: but how we will do more tx than VISA?
mircea_popescu: "Why are you lying ?" is a good start. "Why are you acting as if Bitcoin were a USG project ? It's not, you are."
ThickAsThieves: those arent really question tho hehe
ThickAsThieves: why are you what i say you are?
bounce: not unusual for scores of economists to be all wrong together
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i was merely summarizing.
ThickAsThieves: or to be wrong in general
mircea_popescu: bounce that's not even it. is he genuinely proposing that the bar for corectness is finding 5 "actual" economist sto agree,
mircea_popescu: because out of the fifty billion idiots that are nevertheless certified as economists by the us paper mill
ThickAsThieves: and why did none of them cosign?
mircea_popescu: never has it happened that more than 4 were in agreement on any piece of idiocy
mircea_popescu: nor could it, for structural reasons he's omitted to explain ?
ThickAsThieves: "Who are the 5 economists?"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no. that is pushing things the wrong way.
mircea_popescu: because then he can give 5 names and make it look like he answered something.
ThickAsThieves: need to paint into corner to get truths
mircea_popescu: i couldn't care less if five popes signed on his stupidity.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how this doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: the problem here isn't that gavin is trying to fuck things up, because he won't succeed.
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that gavin is trying to paint the box for the discussion.
mircea_popescu: and WE won't admit this theory where "econoimists" matter.
mircea_popescu: if they did, they had made bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: they didn't make bitcoin. they don't get to join later on and get a seat at the table.
ThickAsThieves: so he can be like 'ok ok gais, we'll only do 10% size per year, no shaddup'
mircea_popescu: an economist wants to be an economist, 6 months on the logs and tit pictures.
mircea_popescu: like everyone else.
Namworld: I found a food wholesaler in the middle of the city, industrial looking building. It's like entering some fish factory or something. Things look old, a bit unclean. Looks like a factory filled with supplies.
Namworld: Best shopping experience I've ever had tho...
bounce: you like shopping in fish factories?
mircea_popescu: so, anyway. questions. "What makes you think getting the okay of five anon products of the US diploma mill has any bearing ? Bitcoin wasn't made by "economists"
Namworld: Apparently. But it was just an example, didn't really smell of fish.
mircea_popescu: but im still partial to "why are you lying".
bounce: is it lying if he doesn't know better?
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mircea_popescu: he is opening his mouth, that's the voluntary act.
mircea_popescu: if he doesn't make sure he knows any better first, that's the culpable act.
mircea_popescu: anyway, seriously, gavin and "5 ~actual~ economists", this is the "are we all wrong" astroturf consensus he hopes to go on ?
Namworld: You know what I mean. Stuff not kept in perfect condition, lighting not very bright. Lots of spillage/uncleaned stuff. Rust/dirty walls.
Namworld: It looks like an actual warehouse, not a "warehouse" supermarket.
assbot: Circle Submits Comments to NYDFS on Proposed BitLicense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21255 @ 0.00074216 = 15.7746 BTC [+] {2}
bounce: so you still get to buy stuff by less than a full distribution box?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves who knows, maybe they learn to not pdf.
mircea_popescu: after which, they might matter.
Namworld: Yes. They wrote what could be bought in single quantity. Opened boxed and unopened ones. Usually a discount for whole boxes and half boxes.
Namworld: I mostly went to check for meat/fishes to fill my freezer.
bounce: complete powertrip for the regulation peeps. "oh, new thing, money-ish. let's r e g u l a t e" -- and then just sit back and watch the companies affected fall over themselves to submit to not-even-existing-yet regulations
mircea_popescu: fucking shocking, 5 "actual" economists found that agree inflation is a good idea, and if anything is naturally uninflationary, adding it in is the tits.
bounce: the regulators really don't care what they're regulating, as long as they can make you dance on their regulation strings. what are we regulating this thing for again?
mircea_popescu: bounce yup. which is why the "you seem to have omitted suckling my penis, son" is the right approach.
mircea_popescu: anyway, got a meeting. we can resume usgavin and the five fail dwarves discussion later.
Namworld: idk why I never looked for one before. I'd recommend. It's just better.
bounce: cherry-picking your economists, sort-of like cherry-picking your data, but not quite.
mircea_popescu: anyway, im not playing this stupid game. he wants to ama, he can come here.
bounce: somebody might drop the hint there
assbot: The Optimal Block Size | Bitcoinist.net
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu *
thestringpuller: oh and it links to the logs
thestringpuller: someone is sane?
bounce: really don't feel like reading the entire circle thing. the headlines read reasonable but eg. the bit about aml merely says "aml doubleplus good. we happy to aml for you. you want even more aml than the feds, no good." which is a bit weak.
ThickAsThieves: itd be unreasonable to ask for special treatment for less reg
ThickAsThieves: in the end, current regs already do apply
bounce: it's the only way out, actually
bounce: look here, the guy's proposing lots of regs so he can make his mark on history. then he can do one of two things: more regs, recommending less regs. what he cannot possibly do is keep regulatory levels the same as federal requirements because that deprives him of making his mark on history.
bounce: this goes even if it's the only possible choice. that it isn't, because the aml regs already make little sense and even more stringent rules therefore can only make even less sense.
bounce: so what's going to happen is there'll be some toning down on this proposal to show heart to the community and all that, but we still end up with more rules than already required. and in a few years the whole thing becomes obsolete because unworkable. there goes the mark on history.
nubbins`: "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here."
nubbins`: my sides
ThickAsThieves: tbf, that's how mp would write it
punkman: such wordsmith
nubbins`: i chuckled, gotta say
nubbins`: altho he did incorrectly quote.
nubbins`: i think the <<< indicating reply wasn't picked up
nubbins`: so it seems like he said the whole thing, when in fact it was a comment on something you said
nubbins`: but hey, that variety speak 8)
thestringpuller: i just saw that in the logs
thestringpuller: nubbins`: the shirts are well received
thestringpuller: What size was the one that was being worn in the proof shot you send me?
nubbins`: ah, i have no idea
nubbins`: that was just a stock photo
nubbins`: maybe a small?
thestringpuller: well there was one where someone was wearing the physical shirt (i think it was your wife?)
nubbins` struggles to remember
nubbins`: help me out here
thestringpuller: one second
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ah, yes
nubbins`: that's a small
thestringpuller: we've almost sold them all I think 1 left?
nubbins`: suite
thestringpuller: what would another order cost now that the screen exist
nubbins`: $9.75ea for another 6
nubbins`: it's still up on the press now, otherwise it'd be a bit extra
thestringpuller: nubbins`: does that include shipping?
nubbins`: shipping is w/e the postage said last time ;D
thestringpuller: hopefully petenineteen didn't toss it out
nubbins`: i might have it here
nubbins`: nope, n/m
nubbins`: didn't print the postage for that one at home
nubbins`: i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44800 @ 0.00074128 = 33.2093 BTC [-]
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 1070.19 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.32 TH/s [P2P Hashrate]: 1.82 TH/s
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> someone is sane? << apparently it's possible
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> in the end, current regs already do apply <<< ahahah what ?
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> "In light of the foregoing, it should be clear that Mircea, not Gavin, is derping here." << the only thing that matters in there is that they understand who is setting the conversation and establishing the winners and losers
mircea_popescu: what they opine as to how either of those should work, well... i'm a believer in free speech just as much as the next guy.
mircea_popescu: they can opine anything till they drop.
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> i think it was somewhere between 20 and 40 << llol. isn't thiks true of like, 90% of all postage ever ?
nubbins`: i can send a flat-packed poster to nottingham for the same price i can send a dozen shirts to china
nubbins`: if there's logic in that, i can't find it
nubbins`: worse voodoo than airline seat pricing
assbot: USGavin, the lolcow pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13906 @ 0.00074128 = 10.3082 BTC [-]
assbot: 21 Top Bitcoin and Digital Currency Companies Endorse New Digital Framework for Digital Identity, Trust and Open Data
bounce: buzzwords and marketeerspeak, aka smoke and mirrors. what's the substance?
mircea_popescu: http://bitbet.us/bet/861/raul-gonzalez-to-play-in-nasl/#c4170 << shit is this actually the player in question ?!
assbot: BitBet - Raul Gonzalez to play in NASL :: 0.12 B (59%) on Yes, 0.08 B (41%) on No | closing in 4 hours 4 minutes | weight: 115 (100`000 to 1)
mircea_popescu: bounce anyway, it's kind-of amusing to me that the Krawisz fellow KNOWS about gavin's ideas to reduce block propagation from a function of size to a fixed value
mircea_popescu: and yet nothing occurs to him.
mircea_popescu: what could possibly be wrong with infinite blocks . pdf
bounce: didn't really adress that, did he? not the only thing he glosses over.
mircea_popescu: the worst part of it being that you know, he KNOWS about this place.
mircea_popescu: could have avoided being stupid in public by just asking.
bounce: curious really how the difficulty gets adjusted automatically but the size limit, implying a maximum number of transactions per second, isn't.
mircea_popescu: well, curious how the car moves forward, but not realy upward.
mircea_popescu: gotta have some fixed points to have a working equilibrium
mircea_popescu: if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess.
mircea_popescu: that's actually the definition of mess.
bounce: postmodern us is full of silly arbitrary limits; it's not a natural equilibrium
mircea_popescu: this prolly warrants an in depth discussion. like what ?
bounce: not that blocksize elasticity is automatically a good idea. it opens up an avenue for attack to push the smaller players out
mircea_popescu: that'd be unrelated. can we discuss one thing at a time ?
bounce: hm? how, oh, aml/kyc stuff causes banks to be happy to kick clients out that cause regulatory headaches. why are banks supposed to be policing their clients again?
mircea_popescu: so far what i got from your position is, "curious how the market adjusts the price of the oil barrel, but not what a barrel consists of"
bounce: or that whole spiel with the cows and the senator
mircea_popescu: yes, it has to work that way. some things gotta be fixed.
mircea_popescu: how are either of those two examples of limits ?
bounce: to the point that fixing the points becomes its own game, and they're "fixed" in the sense that a happy few get to move the goalposts but they're not moving any less. they are pretty much guaranteed to be suboptimal, though.
mircea_popescu: which is what "if everything gives every which way you got postmodern us, ie, a mess." is saying.
bounce: was under the impression you were referring to a non-meta-game situation
mircea_popescu: anyway, "blocksize elasticity" and all the rest of the derpage is trying to turn bitcoin into whatever, xrp, nxt, whatever the hell.
mircea_popescu: if those things actually worked, they wouldn't have blown up.
bounce: those have variable-sized blocksize limits and that caused them to blow up?
bounce hasn't really kept up there
mircea_popescu: no, but they've had "we know shit and we have economists" dev teams
mircea_popescu: and THOSE caused them to blow up.
bounce: no shortage of those
mircea_popescu: looking at things from a distance always helps. "oh, you wish to tell me that if we make this bar so that anyone can come in and not pay a cover charge it'll be cooler ?"
mircea_popescu: totally, this works, yeah. which is why nobody does it in practice o.O
kakobrekla: <bounce> those have variable-sized blocksize limits < i dont know if anyone did this before
mthreat: I can't read Tuur Demester's name without saying it "Turd Meister" in my mind
kakobrekla: bad stenography
mircea_popescu: mthreat it's a common complaint
mthreat: whew
mod6: mircea_popescu: way to hurt some butts in the USGavin trilema article. good read. :)
bounce: plenty places without entrance fees. enabling uncool people to have fun too.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated pankkake
gribble: You rated user pankkake on Tue Mar 25 20:14:04 2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: dev, my ATC broker.
mircea_popescu: aww, atc.
mod6: ikr :/
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pankkake 1 some lols were head, meanwhile he left.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 3 to 1.
kakobrekla: well, left ba.
mircea_popescu: what else is there ?
mircea_popescu: but no, he quit brokering many months before that, an' he we were sort-of working on a project but apparently never went anywhere.
bounce: call it a vacation
mircea_popescu: mod6 anyway, cheers.
TomServo: Did he ever give an explanation? Was it really SystemD bashing?
mod6: apparently there is no where else. his /wi info lists no other chans. heh.
Apocalyptic: on freenode whois only lists channels you have in common
mircea_popescu: TomServo i have nfi. bounce sure, teh future's an open book.
Apocalyptic: here's in #paymium at the moment, at least
mod6: Apocalyptic: ahh. i see.
Apocalyptic: *he's in
mod6: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 326208 | Current Difficulty: 3.500248202613323E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 326591 | Next Difficulty In: 383 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes, and 32 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 35823836452.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 2.34656
mod6: ;;seen vragnaroda
gribble: vragnaroda was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 17 weeks, 1 day, 6 hours, 29 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <vragnaroda> I'm American.
mircea_popescu: wonder what became of him
mod6: i feel like maybe he was in a different chan more recently than that. but maybe it has been that long o.O
mircea_popescu: ;;seen staatsfiend
gribble: I have not seen staatsfiend.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen staatsfeind
gribble: I have not seen staatsfeind.
mod6: who was the guy who ran spotify coin? can't recall.. he dropped off the map too.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: how is some derps with no money "considering" buying something that doesn't exist news ? <<< jesse's words, not mine, they did pocket some cash from investors, gotta spruce the japanese launch somehow
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah but you see what i mean
mircea_popescu: whether we're getting paid for that sort of thing or not, it's still paid pr.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i get it, caleb and co would like us to think kraken actually exists. that's fine, but it doesn't, and why are you pushing it ? <<< i thought i mentioned their low vol in the article, guess not
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE how's the piece coming along ?
mod6: ;;seen mcorlette
gribble: I have not seen mcorlette.
mod6: ;;seen mcorlett
gribble: mcorlett was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 years, 7 weeks, 0 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <mcorlett> Except for yourself, of course.
mircea_popescu: o the guy quit, i recall
mod6: 'bout the same time.
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: no fucking way.
mircea_popescu: vrag was iirc a mortar man
mod6: as in artillary?
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> cazalla yeah but you see what i mean <<< not really, it's not a promotional piece, just quoting what the man said himself, i'm not too familiar with kraken guys though tbh
mircea_popescu: cazalla but when you quote what the man says whle the man's puffing up his business, you are in fact publishing paid pr.
mircea_popescu: whether you get paid or not.
cazalla: but i should've mentioned the non existent vol kraken has
mod6: ah. yeah, recall some mil stuff he talked about. been a while. i liked his angle on things.
mod6: and he was teh grammar nazi & had a love for beating trolls.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated vragnaroda
gribble: You rated user vragnaroda on Sat Sep 22 16:11:20 2012, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: when he's a naxi who keeps corecteing ppls grammer 24/7.
mod6: haha. yup. :)
mircea_popescu: that was an actual quote.
mircea_popescu: cazalla anyway, you can mention the time they lost customer deposits, too, round it all up, since it's there.
kakobrekla: fuck the deposits nice logo
cazalla: when did that happen
mircea_popescu: cazalla few months ago, they had this embarassing moment when they sent the same deposit address to anyone asking for a deposit address for a day or two
mircea_popescu: ended up with ~100 btc in deposits they couldn't properly credit.
kakobrekla: hm i have a different recollection but could as well be wrong
kakobrekla: could be it was a separate incident.
kakobrekla: but anyway, if you need to 'balance' things, you can always link bash :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how did yours go ?
kakobrekla: now that i started to think about it it - the more i think the less i recall
bounce: <mircea_popescu> all that's needed to put someone at a crime scene today is an old hairbrush, or a worn shirt, or anything. << oh yes. there was this mass-everything criminal, showed up everywhere, who eventually turned out to be a sloppy worker in a dna swab factory
kakobrekla: honestly, they still have issues all the time
kakobrekla: hard to keep up whats the latest problem
kakobrekla: also i am unable to find anything written re that incident
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu heya wd on that latest usgaving piece :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla mpoe-pr told kraken pr to quit over their trying to paper over that incident.
assbot: [ANN] KRAKEN.COM - Exchange Now Open with USD, EUR, BTC, LTC, XRP, NMC, XDG
PinkPosixPXE: Good, almost done, I had to jump in a work meeting to discuss the Bash Shellshock vuln, and repatching some systems.. But I gave BingoBoingo an update, and will be sending it off shortly. It's my first shot at this, so I hope it's not too egregious.
pete_dushenski: fwiw our ddos buddy hit contravex with 30mbit/s for a whopping 30 mins.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, the no vol i'll include but this missing 100 and same deposit address i can find nothing of
PinkPosixPXE: mircea_popescu: ^
mircea_popescu: and it was 600ish bitcoin they admitted to
mircea_popescu: cazalla link above :p
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE ok ok
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate PinkPosixPXE
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for PinkPosixPXE.
mircea_popescu: don't go around trying to buy ratings, it's criminal.
kakobrekla: yes rings bells mircea_popescu .
PinkPosixPXE: Yea, that was my mistake, the joke was in poor taste, and I also misunderstood the ranking system a bit. Sorry about that.
mircea_popescu: poor taste never got anyone in trouble here.
mircea_popescu: but some things *are* sacred
kakobrekla: and natural balances of the assiverse were restored
PinkPosixPXE: I will openly admit I am still learning, and new, but will try to avoid putting my foot in my mouth too much :P. I've combed over all the wiki's for bt-otc and bt-assets, and am going through the 6 months of logs as I find time.
mircea_popescu: what do you do for a living anyway ?
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo daniel "speeks" ? i'm not the only one who noticed this...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski did the 30mbps do anything ?
PinkPosixPXE: I'm one of the Senior Linux/Unix Admins for a publishing company.
mircea_popescu: a hey. good for you.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Where I spell ungood this time?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu i'm told the site was down but it was while i was sleeping. it was back up when i awoke.
pete_dushenski: so not much to speek of...
PinkPosixPXE: Thank you much, and thank you for the unrate, and clarifying the matter :).
mircea_popescu: PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while.
assbot: Software Doesn’t Fail. Socialism Does. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
pete_dushenski: ^cuz rip penguirker
mircea_popescu: ahahaha didja run off with the niquette piece ?
pete_dushenski: ...maybe
pete_dushenski: plus some money logs!
assbot: We won without trying : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: good, stuff needs to breathe.
pete_dushenski: in through the nose, out through the mouth.
mircea_popescu: "All those haters that come in here with economic models and charts telling us it's impossible; all the hit pieces penned by pros like Krugman telling us to 'grow up' - none of them really quite grasp that there could possibly be a group of people who have the audacity to sit around their hallowed poker table without needing to win."
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin won without the reddit doge derps trying"
mircea_popescu: .... right. so ?
pete_dushenski: so majick!
mircea_popescu: let's pretend like things are other things and stuff!1
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu reddit is bitcoin and vice versa so bitcoin winning is because of derpage!
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You want to give newswriting a try? It's fun.
pete_dushenski: i did for a few years with the car industry.
mircea_popescu: lol isn't he a tad late ? but yeah
pete_dushenski: i had fun with it too.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so write it up.
pete_dushenski: yes mlad
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> PinkPosixPXE you know people have been clamoring for a bitcoin host for a while. < meh the only way you can do anything in this direction is to be another reseller
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla best i can tell, all someone needs to do is a) be a sysadmin and b) colocate a few boxes in a decent dc
mircea_popescu: then sell space.
kakobrekla: adding another liability in the chain
mircea_popescu: a liability could be a responsibility.
mircea_popescu: if it's someone you trust then it's someone you trust.
mod6: yea, we need The Crypt like in cryptonomicon
mircea_popescu: colocate in locked boxes, don't allow the dc or anyone else any sort of access to the boxes, kivm or whatever
mircea_popescu: thus creating a single point of failure. which people can evaluate for trust.
kakobrekla: btc people wont pay for premium host
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23800 @ 0.00074197 = 17.6589 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: cheap dirtbags
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla listen, people like the amateur ddos guy will be helping with this.
kakobrekla: by ddosing?
mircea_popescu: consider yest, qntra was up but say bingo's blog was down. well ? what's he to do ?
mircea_popescu: and yeah he'd pay.
kakobrekla: average blogger cant afford any but free hosting
mircea_popescu: blogger that can't afford any but free hosting should stfu and turn the fries.
mircea_popescu: the idea that poor people have something to say boggles.
kakobrekla: dunno, with hosting providers having the margins same as the fees of bitcoin exchanges
kakobrekla: there isnt much space
mircea_popescu: !up dr_love
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i specifically recall say asciilifeform asking for one.
mircea_popescu: it's rare that you get the customers asking for you, usually people have to create markets
dr_love: mircea_popescu: thanks.
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
kakobrekla: how did bitvps do?
dr_love: is there any value in a provably fair bitcoin lottery?
mircea_popescu: great, up until rg went on a drinking binge or w/e it was he did
mircea_popescu: dr_love define lottery ?
jurov: kakobrekla bitvps went down in flames
jurov: and kicked its customers at first occassion
kakobrekla: classic problem of small providers
dr_love: mircea_popescu: when you need to buy a ticket to have a 1 in xxx,xxx,xxx chance to win the jackpot
mircea_popescu: in short i'd put bitvps down to poor management rather than poor fundamentals.
mircea_popescu: dr_love how is this different from a dice site ?
kakobrekla: when one customer will threaten all the seven you got
BingoBoingo: dr_love: I'd recommend picking a fiat lottery and starting a BitBet on its drawing
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla that's a flawed premise. collective security, baby.
dr_love: mircea_popescu: player's perception? the jackpot grows huge after a few rollovers
kakobrekla: like cloudflare!
mircea_popescu: dr_love so it's a dice meets gem site ?
dr_love: well yeah, I was just looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroMillions#Distribution_of_revenue, where 50% goes to shit
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dr_love: a Bitcoin lottery could do much better than that
mircea_popescu: dr_love basically it's a marketing wrapper on top of a dice site. best work as a promoter then i guess.
jurov: mircea_popescu: how do you imagine economic model of such hosting? if we put everything onnto one basked and then one ddos burns $100/week of bandwidth, who'll pay?
dr_love: so you're saying all gambling is dice, it being the best way to put it out there?
jurov: *basket
BingoBoingo: dr_love: Write a bitbet "Between XX/YY/ZZZ and AA/BB/CCC the sum of the numbers drawn in a powerball drawing will be Divisible by 37" put 1 BTC on yes, wait for people to take the other side when they do the math.
dr_love: *the best, most efficient wrapper
mircea_popescu: jurov a) most dcs that are even half decent don't charge for ddos ; b) those that do rent you fixed pipe anyway
kakobrekla: 100$ a week should not be a number of importance
mircea_popescu: so i dun get the question.
kakobrekla: or you are doing it wrong
mircea_popescu: buy 10gpps, put a rack in there, forget it.
dr_love: BingoBoingo: that is interesting
jurov: so you'll gonna having customers that dwarf the $100 figure right from the start?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14904 @ 0.00074128 = 11.048 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: dr_love: BitBet only takes 1% and most people who bet there can math
jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog?
jurov: *wanting to pay
mircea_popescu: jurov so if a business isn't insta-cash positive it shouldn't exist ?
kakobrekla: no, he didnt get ddosed & kicked out yet :)
BingoBoingo: jurov: Well... if he doesn't have any other way to spend BTC it might be their only way to avoid burial with him.
mircea_popescu: start with oh i dunno, 10k in venture capital
mircea_popescu: !up MCM-Mike
jurov: i'm a dc noob... how much is such a pipe?
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
dr_love: mircea_popescu: so dice is the cutting edge in gambling, you're saying
mircea_popescu: jurov depends a lot where and for how long you're getting it, really.
BingoBoingo: dr_love: Well dice is the prototype for all of the pure chance games
dr_love: btw, why aren't you running JD already?
mircea_popescu: cuz dooglus is not answering emails ?
PinkPosixPXE: There are some BTC only vps providers out there that I've gleamed, but haven't dug in.. Would be interesting to look into, I've got all the experience needed, and a few others I know are vps sellers/resellers (not that I'd recommend many of them, heh.. but I just find their style a bit sloppy).
dr_love: fucker
dr_love: what a waste :(
mircea_popescu: hey, his thing.
PinkPosixPXE: brb, gonna finish this novel up and send it to BingoBoingo.
BingoBoingo: Oh a long one!
mircea_popescu: jesus, qntra chick lit now.
assbot: 10GBPS Unmetered Dedicated Servers Windows and Linux Cpanel PLESK WHM
jurov: $600/mo +
PinkPosixPXE: Well.. since it's my first, I figure you can at least cut and scrap what you don't like. But I wanted to include as much as I could, didn't realize it'd be so long, heh..
mircea_popescu: jurov that's a reseller.
jurov: just ballparking
mircea_popescu: should be more or less in the $100 range that you were discussing.
dr_love: BingoBoingo: what's "exciting" in lotto is the huge, lifechanging jackpot. dice is much more real in that sense, so the conversion rate might just be bigger in lotto
mircea_popescu: but very congested places it can run significantly more, and some (esp new) places may be giving it away free for a long commit
mircea_popescu: dr_love understand : either the player wins his own money (ie, risks 1 cent, may make 100 btc 1:10000 times)
bounce: "13 acres" parces size and "8200 sqft usable, underground space". seems like a rather small bunker for that plot of land. so essentially buying a farm with some stray concrete in the soil?
bounce: s/parces/parcel/
mircea_popescu: or else he wins other's money. to get a jackpot large you need a bunch of idiots to play a bad odds gamre for a long time.
mircea_popescu: they may just as well play dice in that interval for better EV
BingoBoingo: bounce: Well more parcel for smaller bunker means more surface area for missiles to miss
dr_love: I do understand that, however people are perceiving it differently and positive EV tickets are a few jackpot rollovers away
mircea_popescu: bounce 8k sqft underground is a respectable wine cellar.
mircea_popescu: dr_love you can still run it like BingoBoingo suggested, for no extra cost, if you got the "people" in question
bounce: what was it used for, missiles?
BingoBoingo: bounce: That one ATT long lines.
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
BingoBoingo: "Storage Depot"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pretty much the only thing about a dc location is if it's on a ring or not.
mircea_popescu: is there one in kansas ?
bounce: that's positive, means presumably already optimised for sticking in racked gear, except probably not for the density and consequent heat required these days
dr_love: what if you fund it for it to be neutral EV from t0 with a little jackpot kickstarter fund on the side? you can surely make it back if you grab enough attention with the initial offering
BingoBoingo: That one seems to be by KC, so probably feasible to get fiber from a few different directions
bounce: might be more useful to shoot for two of those connected to each other, and stick some fibre in the connecting tubes. maybe check if there's still copper in there and sell it.
assbot: CyberBunker DataCenters
BingoBoingo: http://www.missilebases.com/#!nike-indiana/c1aq8 << Missile Magazine to home conversion
assbot: Missile bases, communication bunkers and underground properties
mircea_popescu: dr_love hence the "gem website" reference.
bounce: cb3rob and friends are complete nitwits, sadly. claim to've snagged the thing "with sovereignty" then allows a bunch of idiots to burn the place down with a meth lab and on top of that lets the (soi-disant foreign) authorities in.
mircea_popescu: Once the SWAT team reached the bunker's blast doors, they 'knock' to announce their presence. It is unclear exactly what they say, as no sound is recorded from the surveillance system. CyberBunker is equipped with an advanced Intruder Detection System (IDS), however due to a testing drill the previous night the IDS system was accidentally left in the inactive mode. Two SWAT officers are seen to hit the blast door of th
mircea_popescu: e bunker with a battering ram. It must not have occurred to the officers that the blast doors were designed to withstand a 20 megaton nuclear explosion from close range. When the SWAT team realized that the door was not being opened for them, they throw flashbangs and take other actions to draw attention. The surveillance footage shows quite a lot of activity at this point. On the other side of the blast doors, no one
mircea_popescu: inside the bunker noticed anything unusual. The SWAT team did some further investigating, and appears to be making phone calls. Finally the SWAT team realized what occurred when City Hall attempted to breach the blast doors. Apparently recognizing that they had gone overboard on their raid, the SWAT team decided to go home.
mircea_popescu: dat phonecall lol. like a chick stood up on a date, only lulzier.
bounce: that is the upside to "forgetting" to turn on your "advanced surveillance system" on your cold war bunker. "what, swat tried to raid us? didn't notice"
undata: that is beautiful
mircea_popescu: "CyberBunker's lawyers later discovered that the police had indeed sent officers to the bunker for what they claimed was a “routine check” and that nothing out of the ordinary had taken place. When CyberBunker's lawyers suggested that the surveillance footage could be put online, the police department then quickly offered to pay to repair the damage caused to the fence.
mircea_popescu: After paying € 8088.- euros to CyberBunker, nothing further was heard from the SWAT team."
mircea_popescu: ahem. shitheads.
BingoBoingo: !up dr_love
BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3
kakobrekla: at least they admi it
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: that was proven to be completely false
kakobrekla: admit
Diablo-D3: someone called their local cops
Diablo-D3: it never happened
kakobrekla: yeah like cops will say "yeah we are such dorks"
kakobrekla: not saying its true story, just your argument is meh
Diablo-D3: kakobrekla: they did a lot of research into it
Diablo-D3: and theres zero proof it ever happened
undata: "It was ruled a suicide with 4 shots to the back of the head."
kakobrekla: reeshurrdurrch
Diablo-D3: so cyberbunker is just another scam
undata: Diablo-D3: citation
mircea_popescu: "they". who ?
Diablo-D3: undata: well thats the problem
Diablo-D3: undata: cyberbunker needs to cite that it actually happened
Diablo-D3: and by their own admission, they wont post the video
Diablo-D3: but its not because they were paid off by the police to hide it
Diablo-D3: its because there isnt one
mircea_popescu: it could be, sure.
mircea_popescu: or it could not be. so far, word against word.
Diablo-D3: people were even offering money for proof
Diablo-D3: nothing ever came up
mircea_popescu: "people" "money", meh.
Diablo-D3: this was big news a few years back
undata: Diablo-D3: yeah, I want citations in both directions
Diablo-D3: undata: well, Im not going to cite something that long ago
Diablo-D3: I dont think the scam is still operating
mircea_popescu: so basically you had nothing to say ?
undata: Diablo-D3: you're claiming "scam" hence citation or gtfo
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: I already said it
Diablo-D3: it was debunked.
mircea_popescu: except it wasn't.
Diablo-D3: no proof it ever happened, they refused to provide it
Diablo-D3: so it never happened
mircea_popescu: good enough.
mircea_popescu: ahhh. hey, am i the only strega fan here ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google liquore strega
gribble: Strega (liqueur) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strega_(liqueur)>; Liquore Strega Herbal Liqueur Profile and Cocktail Recipes - Cocktails: <http://cocktails.about.com/od/liqueurscordials/p/Strega-Liqueur.htm>; Liquore Strega : Strega Alberti Benevento S.p.A.: <http://www.strega.it/Store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1>
dr_love: mircea_popescu: is it off topic if I ask you what do you think of jarmusch, the filmmaker? any fav movies?
mircea_popescu: dr_love nothing's offtopic anyway. kakobrekla's favourite film director.
kakobrekla: certainly one of the fav yes.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla who else ?
dr_love: I'm just starting to discover him, watched the limits of control recently
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema coffee and cigarettes
gribble: Coffee Talk Table of Contents - Columbia Evangelical Seminary: <http://www.columbiaseminary.org/coffeetalk/>; UI Critical Thinking Handbook: Chapter Seven -- Theory: <http://www.webpages.uidaho.edu/crit_think/chapter-seven-1.htm>; Topic tags for the tutor2u Economics blog: <http://www.tutor2u.net/blog/index.php/economics/tags>
kakobrekla: nothing out of the ordinary list. kubrick and such.
kakobrekla: and from 'local' ones, kustarica
Adlai liked ghost dog
mircea_popescu: anyway, i thought i had written about coffee and ciggs. seems not ?!
dr_love: you should
kakobrekla: dr_love : from him dead man and the limits of control
kakobrekla: dead men being lulzy as fuck
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla o you didn't like coffee and ciggs ?
kakobrekla: i dont recall if i watched it?
dr_love: kakobrekla, what about only lovers left alive
kakobrekla: i havent seen it
kakobrekla: seems a new thing
kakobrekla: limits of control is a metaphysical art movie.
mircea_popescu: !up morgan-freeman_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35225 @ 0.00074068 = 26.0905 BTC [-] {4}
morgan-freeman_: hey guys, did you see this epic use of bitcoin? www.shitexpress.com
dr_love: kakobrekla: ye, I like the way his movies aren't intended as message films. it's more like art, really
morgan-freeman_: i am literally laughing my shit off
kakobrekla: morgan-freeman_ now you only need to ship it.
morgan-freeman_: to shit it and ship it
kakobrekla: dr_love myea sort of. one more than others naturally.
mircea_popescu: morgan-freeman_ let me guess, you can mail shit to people ?
kakobrekla: correct
mircea_popescu: new way to stegano, i guess.
morgan-freeman_: well, I don't know but there is only a horse manure as a choice.. once I saw an elephant shit on one site, but no bitcoins
bounce: why are you spamming this in as many channels as you can?
mircea_popescu: yeah, morgan-freeman_ is this your site ?
dr_love: what do you guys listen to?
mircea_popescu: http://virtualglobetrotting.com/map/paul-krugmans-house/view/bing/ << send krugman one lb, i'll pay you once he gets it.
assbot: Paul Krugman's house (Bing Maps) - Virtual Globetrotting
kakobrekla: >At the end of a tree-lined driveway in the small Dutch town of Goes sits a hulking gray bunker, a communications center built by the Dutch military in 1955. Its 60 rooms are mostly bare save for a few relics, including a cinderblock-size phone and a giant board that used to record nuclear attack alert levels across Europe. There’s no sign of the high-tech nerve center depicted on the CyberBunker website: no racks of supersecur
kakobrekla: e servers; no underground swimming pool. No Sven Olaf Kamphuis either.
kakobrekla: apparently a legit company bought this fake company bunker.
kakobrekla: legit hosting company
kakobrekla: dunno
mircea_popescu: haha link ?
kakobrekla: all is weird
morgan-freeman_: bounce: I don't spam! my friends told me to put it on #bitcoin-assets and #bitcoin-otc - I've never seen these two channels so I tried
assbot: CyberBunker: Hacking as Performance Art - Businessweek
bounce: who're these friends of yours?
kakobrekla: “It was all Photoshop,” says Guido Blaauw, general manager of the bunker’s current tenant, a company called Bunkerinfra Datacenters, which plans to turn the site into a data facility for corporate and government clients. The building was full of junk when Bunkerinfra started renovations two years ago. “It took us three months to clean it out,” Blaauw says. Kamphuis lived there for a few years in the early 2000s, sub
kakobrekla: letting a room from its owner at that time. According to Blaauw, Kamphuis seized on the image of the bunker as a marketing tool to attract Russian and Chinese clients who wanted a secure place to host their websites. “It’s time to put an end to the fairy tale,” Blaauw says.
morgan-freeman_: bounce: just my friends :-) but I suppose some of their friends created the website
bounce: that isn't really an answer.
morgan-freeman_: bounce: or they saw it today on producthunt.com
undata: :-) One weird trick to mail shit to your friends! Must see!
BingoBoingo: morgan-freeman_: How is your shit better than the shit I can by by the truckload at the farm down the road for a few dollars a ton?
dr_love: I know a few people who I look up to, who have bad taste in art. I always wondered if there's a correlation of some sort
kakobrekla: bing'o'shit express?
mircea_popescu: dr_love some pretty girls are terrible lays, too.
mircea_popescu: just how the world works.
mircea_popescu: lol bing'o'shit express now that sounds like business.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well if you are mailing shit why get clean clinically presentd shit from the Internet while there's piles of shit Dairy farms are selling which has been stewing all summer.
kakobrekla: for more effect you could just modify a 'jokerbox' to 'shitbox'
kakobrekla: illustration not necessary.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36621 @ 0.00074029 = 27.1102 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up dr_love
dr_love: means it works the other way too? retards can show appreciation for good art?
mircea_popescu: dogs loive music all the time, too.
dr_love: or shit artists can create good art, from time to time
assbot: GEORGE MICHAEL Spinning the wheel - YouTube
assbot: George Michael - Spinning The Wheel - YouTube
fluffypony: I'm 14 and what is this
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to rise above $600 before December" http://bitbet.us/bet/1055/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 12.8359 BTC. Current weight: 64,561.
bounce: oh. you went over to the dark side too then?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23753 @ 0.00074005 = 17.5784 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: jurov: is asciilifeform actually paying so much for his blog << machine is wanted for nosuchlabs.com - currently home to 'phuctor.' i've an astonishingly vast quantity of donated pubkeys - job that wants real, vs. virtual, cpu to crunch (and plentiful memory)
asciilifeform: bunker << if against usg - grave. marauders - sure, so long as you have independent air, water, fuel, food supplies.
asciilifeform: if you're a very special customer, they'll pump in sarin/vx.
bounce: what sort of cpu do you need? would gpu do?
asciilifeform: these were never designed to withstand physical attack by men (vs nuke)
asciilifeform: bounce: no
asciilifeform: my father, as a private in soviet army, was trained, like many others, to take out 'silo' type missile installations with ordinary grenade. (how? jam the door by propping small explosive, e.g., grenade, under one rail. tricky bit is to get to the damn thing, across an ocean and under guard...)
asciilifeform: but hypothetical enemy in our modern scenario has no problem getting to the door.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16130 @ 0.00073892 = 11.9188 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: "blah blah new australian exchange is where investors, traders and everyday people come to buy and sell Bitcoin." today's vol 21 btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6570 @ 0.0007382 = 4.85 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat operating inside?
kakobrekla: isnt cutting the net pipe the first and the last thing ?
BingoBoingo: ^ that
BingoBoingo: But who knows? maybe drilling netpipe to china will be feasible eventually
kakobrekla: even if you have a netpipe straight down its sill easy to undercut it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla through earth pipe will never happen
BingoBoingo: It might
mircea_popescu: mantle movements and besides, it's where lava comes from
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it provably won;t, no.
kakobrekla: shutthefuckup in this metaphysical conversation
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No one said it would last
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo my first qntra is ready for your consideration: http://pastebin.com/ctTHPWbg
assbot: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" - Pastebin.com
BingoBoingo: Just needs to work long enough to pass "hello Wor[melts]" kind of like reverse moon probe
mircea_popescu: o hecy check that out, 7 pieces today so far ?
pete_dushenski: what a team!
mircea_popescu: im pretty impressed yeah
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo hopefully you have footnotes plug-in that accepts double brackets ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Who doesn't
mircea_popescu: lol standards are a thinb
pete_dushenski: lol there's a square bracket one too yknow
pete_dushenski: i don't use it but it exists
pete_dushenski: and i kept the contravex links to a single one ;)
mircea_popescu: "I am Ratna, 47 years, still having good figure, which is a result of satisfying fucking with different people during last 15 year. In my first 32 year I took only one cock in my cunt whereas in next 15 year I must have taken at least 3000 cocks in my body. This all because of my only son."
pete_dushenski: yup. no conflating variables there.
xanthyos: <@xanthyos> AND SB SAW MY PENIS, WHICH IS LIKE A GRANDMOTHER TO ME, SINCE MINE DIED
mircea_popescu: all these planes keep crashing in russia ...
kakobrekla: but its been like days since the last one
mircea_popescu: ah right. nm, my bad.
pete_dushenski: still safer than russian cars too so that maxim holds
kakobrekla: he ends with 'im sure we will be getting in more details as we get them.'
kakobrekla: righto
assbot: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" | Qntra.net
kakobrekla: >his new Lords < extra space
assbot: My first piece for /qntra: Bitcoin tells Big Banks: "Thanks for lunch!" http://t.co/DtFQOFXNEL
pete_dushenski: my goodness we're an efficient bunch
pete_dushenski getting teary
pete_dushenski: have a wonderful evening b-a!
kakobrekla: ;;later tell pete_dushenski pics no worky: <pete_dushenski>
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Y Combinator: The American Idol of Venture Capital | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla will fix all your sites
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13705 @ 0.0007382 = 10.117 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol kako teh pentester
ben_vulpes: does anyone in la serenissima have a copy of the bitcoin repository of june 2012 vintage?
assbot: Independent Reserve Becomes Australia's Latest Bitcoin Exchange | Qntra.net
assbot: Page not found - SourceForge.net
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
ben_vulpes: all i have is the github repo
mircea_popescu: !up TheKingOfCPU
TheKingOfCPU: hi everyone
ben_vulpes: salad
ben_vulpes: ya got it
mike_c: should the news have as much of a slant as a blog post?
mike_c: or, to rephrase. a news article shouldn't have as much of a slant as a blog post.
ben_vulpes: "news" is all slant
mike_c: all communication has a slant. a news article should strive to have less than a blogger.
cazalla: mike_c which article
mike_c: i don't mean to poop on pete, but his is the one i just read.
cazalla: it is listed under commentary
mike_c: ok, that is good. but that is also news i would like to have.
mircea_popescu: mike_c be specific ?
mike_c: generally the editorial that is slanted is not the only source of news on the topic.
mircea_popescu: (i've not read it)
mike_c: " the world's largest banks gathered together to hold hands and sing kumbaya in the hope that Bitcoin would be gentle"
TheKingOfCPU: is maynous an instrument?
mike_c: nothing wrong with this in a commentary, but I would also like to be able to read the un-slanted version.
mircea_popescu: yeah hardly news this.
TheKingOfCPU: is maynous an instrument?
kakobrekla: should be pythra instead qntra
mircea_popescu: !down TheKingOfCPU
cazalla: mike_c, which pete linked to but it's a commentary and as news alone, i don't think anyone cares what someone said regarding bitcoin so it could only be commentary on qntra
mircea_popescu: cazalla no but he has a point, what kumbaya.
BingoBoingo: I hit publish on Pete's piece, in the Commentary category not the news category.
cazalla: usurper!
BingoBoingo: My bad
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know ther's really no diff the site makes. if commentary went to a special page you had to click for then i see it
mircea_popescu: but as is, it's all the same thing, aka news.
cazalla: this independent reserve mob are on irc apparently, just wrong network and channel
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Who ever said anything about bunker having meat << if the universe favoured defenders of castles, rather than attackers, bitcoin would not be necessary
asciilifeform: the 'martian bank' could be a literal martian bank.
mircea_popescu: anyway, guy's prose is rather florid, but there IS a news bit in there.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well what protected the Wasp's bag?
mircea_popescu: cazalla where ?
BingoBoingo: Why can't a datacenter be protected similarly?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: until destroyed - obscurity
cazalla: irc.oz.org #ir but i've invited them here
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And maybe people learn not to visit datacenters uninvited...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: cut pipe from safe distance.
BingoBoingo: Safe distance is a mystery though...
mircea_popescu: cazalla good idea.
asciilifeform: a datacenter that can't be diddled from a safe distance is also called 'a nuclear power'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nothing I said contradicts that conclusion. At $900k/BTC a lot of things become possibilities
asciilifeform addresses the worms who people his future grave 'eh boys, you'll be lighting benjies with lit benjies'
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mircea_popescu: dude varnish is sweet.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu re-varnishing transformers again?
mircea_popescu: nono, varnish the web cache
asciilifeform is a 20th century creature
assbot: Varnish Software
asciilifeform: varnish - lives on transformers.
ben_vulpes: varnish is okay
ben_vulpes: so: isStandard() - this is not related to blockchain and transaction processing rules, correct?
ben_vulpes: no it's totally in the transaction processing rules
ben_vulpes: if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork
ben_vulpes: if an 0.9 *node*...
assbot: Google to nix piracy sites in search rank - Computer Business Review
danielpbarron: what is it with people pronouncing '0' as 'oh'?
ben_vulpes: syllabic efficiency
danielpbarron: "an zero" sounds strange
ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be "a zero"?
ben_vulpes: ah hue
ben_vulpes: i'm retarded, it's fine
danielpbarron: well no; not if you pronounce it "an oh point nine"
ben_vulpes: i'd probably say "oh nine", but i should write "a 0.9..."
ben_vulpes: and i never say the decimal
ben_vulpes: "oh nine three"
danielpbarron: "zero point nine point three"
ben_vulpes: i'm sure it matters to someone
bounce: ``In August 2012 we first announced that we would downrank sites for which we received a large number of valid DMCA notices.'' -- they get flooded with bot-generated "DMCA notices". what do they do to make sure they're "valid"? looking at youtube, not that much.
asciilifeform: 'heighten the contradictions'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00073798 = 5.6131 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> if 0.9 says "this txn sucks!" but an 0.6 miner included it, this takes us right to a hard fork << yep
mircea_popescu: and an incurable one, at that.
mircea_popescu: this was the mechanism of the previous hard fork : .8 miners included tx rejected by the network, moved on a different chain.
mircea_popescu: !up AdamIR
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's Adam Tepper from that new aussie exchange
mircea_popescu: is this the thing with the bitfury buys ?
cazalla: no, that's digitalBTC
mircea_popescu: ah independent reserve, kay.
AdamIR: Thanks for the invitation and introduction cazalla.
assbot: Independent Reserve - The Bitcoin Market
mircea_popescu: AdamIR get in the wot. actually why aren';t you in there already ?
assbot: Officials warn 500 million financial records hacked
undata: << "Our government and our businesses are in a daily fight against hackers," Pawlenty said. "It's getting increasingly concerning, and it needs to be met with action by Congress." >>
undata: oh good, more legislation
AdamIR: mircea_popescu - I joined #bitcoin-otc. Will have a look in more detail later, thanks.
mircea_popescu: cazalla i imagine these should really be all massed into one weekly post or something. X, Y and Z opened. K L and M closed."
asciilifeform: microshit still not razed and employees not publicly impaled, news at 11.
mircea_popescu: maybe even have a dead pool
kakobrekla: AdamIR you dont want to be there.
undata: asciilifeform: they're going to make hacking even more illegal; you'll see!
mircea_popescu: <undata> oh good, more legislation << asciilifeform has it. "everyone ever worked for microsoft, one year in prison per year worked, plus one year in prison per 100k in salary ever received. sentences over 20 years commuted to death."
AdamIR: kakobrekla - just having a look what it's all about.
mircea_popescu: everyone OTHER than ms has a year to either discontinue their business or fix it.
mircea_popescu: check out the sudden security everywhere
cazalla: mircea_popescu, that's an idea, i like to cover them just so i know if/when they close i have something to refer back to if they change their story at that point
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway ok, so when you say last mover advantage/having studied what others did worng, what specifically do you mean ?
asciilifeform: 'One Romanian hacker was lured to Boston by Secret Service Special Agent Matt O'Neill, who used the Internet to pose as a woman and invite the cybercriminal on a trip to the USA to enjoy gambling and romance. "He was quite surprised that I was the one meeting him when he arrived," said O'Neill, who worked on the case for months.' << lol, is anyone actually this stupid? even sp4mz0rs?
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah, i feel you. but should really be one paragraph at best. just the details.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... there's a number of things we do right, particularly compared with others in the Australia-Pacific region.
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway the idea was for specificity.
AdamIRAway: Yes... typing...
mircea_popescu: no rush.
AdamIRAway: I realise some other exchanges do some of these things, but some of the ways I think that Independent Reserve is ahead of a lot of our competition is...
AdamIRAway: 1. Rather than rely on a technology/IT focused team (which is my own background), we brought onboard a lot of the executive team and investors with FX Markets, Investment Banking and Finance background, which I think has helped in many of the decisions we have made, and connections that we have made, and gives better overall balance and credibility to what we do.
mircea_popescu: sure, go can't hurt.
AdamIRAway: 2. Rather than launch something quickly, we developed an enterprise level trading system over a period of twelve months and followed best practice in software development to develop a platform that we believe is secure, robust and stable. My own background as well as that of our CTO is in enterprise software development, and previously worked for many financial institutions in Australia.
AdamIRAway: 3. We have a very rich API. I realise other exchanges have this also, but not so in Australia.
mircea_popescu: what ever came of MMADX incidentally ?
AdamIRAway: 4. Most people, particularly Australians (but other nationalities also), can verify themselves online within minutes, usually without having to submit any identification documents. In some cases we can't automatically verify that, we can still verify manually.
AdamIRAway: 5. Australians can make BPAY Deposits (it's an Australian thing), but we convert this to USD at around 2.5 % better than most banks will. International clients can do a SWIFT transfer direct into our USD account. The other Australian exchange trades AUD/XBT, but we chose USD to provide greater liquidity.
assbot: Australian Company to Automate Multi-Trillion Dollar Debt Market MMADX | AsiaEtrading.com
mircea_popescu: seems to have been "going to" in 2012 and then suddenly dissapeared.
mircea_popescu: is this a reuse of that platform ?
AdamIRAway: 6. I think we are the only Bitcoin exchange in the world that is audited by one of the major auditing firms - PricewaterhouseCoopers
mike_c: PWC, the bitcoin experts! :)
gabriel_laddel: "to develop a platform that *we believe* is secure, robust and stable..."
gabriel_laddel: [emphasis mine]
AdamIRAway: 7. And again, this only applies to Australians. Because we are an open market exchange (not a brokerage), we are not obligated to charge 10 % GST on transactions, like other brokerages in the region do.
decimation: AdamIRAway: you realize you basically saying "we are awesome at kyc/aml"
mircea_popescu: decimation well, generally, "at interfacing with austrialian banks"
AdamIRAway: decimation... it's important to take KYC/AML seriously, in order for us to work with banks. We do our best to make it as painless as possible for our clients, if we can.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
mircea_popescu: "MMADX hopes to turn profitable in 2015. According to the presentation, its projected earnings before interest, tax, depreciation and amortization for fiscal 2016 and 2017 are A$23.2 million and A$34.2 million, respectively. At that time, or before, the company could undertake an initial public offering, the presentation states."
mircea_popescu: so it never actually listed, best i can discern. did it close down ?
decimation: AdamIRAway: are you going to be transparent to your customers w.r.t. actual daily balances?
decimation: or is that only for pwc?
asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies. Because all
asciilifeform: of their profits are being used to pay executive salaries this will have to be built at extremely low cost. Deficiencies in the softwrae will enable vast numbers of Americans to download Bambi for free, their ISPs will be forced to rat them out, and they will all get to see Martha's Stewart's cell in West Virginia first hand...' (greenspun. http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2005/03/08/#a7726 )
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mircea_popescu: cazalla if you have a clue how to go through the aussie corp register, it's company code: 34149069910
AdamIRAway: gabriel_laddel... my emphasis was on *secure, robust and scalable* ;)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, didja know that what actually broke the chicago mob was their ill advised attempt to muscle hollywood into shape ?
BingoBoingo: AdamIRAway: Does you exchange handle shoebox in the mail full of paper money transactions?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unsurprising
decimation: people who tell the masses how to think and vote tend to maintain their position
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: probably not, but your postman does!
gabriel_laddel: AdamIRAway: I see.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: he'll be happy to pay his grocery bill with them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: propaganda ministry wins over ordinary mob
AdamIRAway: decimation... Pwc will be auditing our finances, and we will make their report available. We are looking to engage them to audit our XBT reserves as well shortly. We aren't currently transparent day-to-day regarding our reserves/balances, but it is obviously something we will be looking to do shortly after our launch.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, Cancelled from 28 Feb 2014
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But in future world a shoebox full a benjies buys what? A single tomatoe?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a few minutes of fire in potbelly stove
decimation: AdamIRAway: that pretty much sounds to me something like "we plan to float bitcoin and hope we don't get screwed"
mircea_popescu: anyway, since michael go doesn't seem on the menu, how did you get Admiral Markets's very own Lasanka Perera ? or what exactly is the arrangement there ?
AdamIRAway: decimation... I'm not sure how you interpreted my statement to reach that viewpoint. We take both our USD and XBT reserves very seriously, and will be looking to provide cryptograhic proof of our Bitcoin reserves shortly.
AdamIRAway: Lasanka Perera is a friend of mine, and co-founder of Independent Reserve.
assbot: Australian Company MONEY MARKET AND DEBT EXCHANGE PTY. LTD. ACN 149 069 910 - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway any comment on how MMDX got deregistered ?
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu - no sorry, can you give me some more context?
mircea_popescu: yes. the context is like so : an old time forex broker with a kind-of mlm-y past that used to do metals and everything got together with a guy that had a company that was going to trade debt advertised then suddenly disappeared. they hired a coupla software dudes (you and the Przelozny) and a very clueless legal chick with no practice. in this context, i'm trying to figure out exactly how did said debt trading platform
mircea_popescu: company get closed down.
mircea_popescu: now my thinking is that you couldn't have spent very long making a dedicated platform, seeing how this just happened this year, so you're either reusing one or the other. i somehow doubt it's admiral's platform, so prolly im guessing mmdx's ?
mircea_popescu: !up AdamIRAway
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I think you have the wrong idea about several points.
mircea_popescu: well that's good, that's what you're here for after all.
BingoBoingo: Eric S Raymond builds a computer >> http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=6389
assbot: Spending the “Help Stamp Out CVS In Your Lifetime” fund
AdamIRAway: First of all, I'm not involved in any waay with MMDX - I hadn't heard of them until you mentioned it.
mircea_popescu: but you did some research on your partners or no ?
AdamIRAway: Secondly, we aren't using any software from Admiral Markets or MMDX, not a single line of code, I don't know what systems they've used previously. Our systems have been developed in-house over the past 15 months.
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond
mircea_popescu: so this thing has existed for the past 15 months ?!
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » GPL sucker punch
AdamIRAway: Thirdly. Nobody hired a "couple of software dudes and a clueless legal chick", as you described...
AdamIRAway: Myself, along with Adrian Przelozny are the majority shareholders of Independent Reserve.
mircea_popescu: o, it goes the other way ?
mircea_popescu: interesting.
mircea_popescu: ok so basically you and the prezelozny fellow made this thing and reached out for some consultancy work from finance and legal peeps ?
AdamIRAway: Our Compliance Specialist has a lot of experience in compliance obviously, and through her we have engaged Baker & McKenzie for specialised legal advice as required.
RagnarDanneskjol wonders how long this infomercial for indy reserve will go on (also do they have shiraz blend?).. changes channel
AdamIRAway: RagnarDanneskjol... I was invited here, and asked questions.
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol it's the trade gazette, what do you want. ppl gotta be able to answer.
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway dun worry about it.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Nao I have more to read
AdamIRAway: Sorry they haven't been to your liking, I will be happy to leave if it's not welcome.
RagnarDanneskjol: dont mind me - sounded more like advert than adderessing relevant Qs
mircea_popescu: AdamIRAway anyway, i think i get the basic idea. it's not bad or anything. get in the wot so bitcoin people have a direct point of contact and other than that, time will tell.
assbot: Everybody loves Eric Raymond » Eric buys an Ipod
BingoBoingo: I remember his printer rant
AdamIRAway: mircea_popescu... I've just been trying to get some context regarding what you were saying before... I thought you were referring to something Lasanka had been involved with...
AdamIRAway: Adrian Przelozny, Lasanka Perera and myself were the co-founders of Independent Reserve.
BingoBoingo: !up AdamIR2
AdamIR2: I realise now you were talking about Michael Go, and his involvement with MMADX several years ago. I don't know the details of his involvement with that, but it is not connected with Independent Reserve.
AdamIR2: On that note... I need to go back and so some work. Thanks for your questions.
ben_vulpes: was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history?
asciilifeform: 'directly' ?
decimation: wasn't it always in a Berkeley db?
ben_vulpes: as opposed to BDB
decimation: like, as a flat text file or something?
ben_vulpes does not actually understand how the infinite layers of the modern v.n. architecture does it's nasty business.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i imagined something like that, yeah.
decimation: I doubt it, that would be crazy
decimation: the code is out there for reading though, I suppose
ben_vulpes: still working through the changelog
decimation: asciilifeform: is that the 'satoshi' original turd?
assbot: v0.1
asciilifeform did not check the signature
assbot: Intel Subsidiary Fined for Crypto Export | Qntra.net
decimation: hashs check the website, fwiw
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> was the blockchain written directly to disk at some point in the reference client's history? << yes.
mircea_popescu: but that was long, long ago.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I doubt it, that would be crazy << o yeah ? THE WALLET FILE WAS UNENCRYPTED.
mircea_popescu: FOR TWO YEARS.
decimation: hehe good point
mircea_popescu: do not even get me started. they're using qt for fucks sake.
asciilifeform: incidentally,
asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be identified via GPG to use the order book.
mircea_popescu: satoshi is like costanza when it comes to implementation. pretty much every choice he has made, be it something to eat, something to wear, has been wrong.
asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC
gribble: Order id 21595 created.
decimation: that bitcoin-0.1 turd definitely depends on db_cxx.h, which seems to be bdb, but that isn't a full answer
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^ that something you can do ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: human skin cover optional.
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mircea_popescu: decimation im pretty certain it had flatfiles early on.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol @ your esr cartoon
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in 0.1...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps in satoshi's head?
asciilifeform: srsly what is this, anybody can grab the ancient source
mircea_popescu: so you're saying i have hallucinated this ?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073897 = 8.1287 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: looks like it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you remember yourself, when telling the tale of why you didn't port it to msdos
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no working bdb
asciilifeform: if not for the db crapolade, mine would be running on bare iron even now.
asciilifeform: (can't speak for other folks)
decimation: transactions are definitely stored in a Db * object, which appears to be the bdb C++ interface
mircea_popescu throws hands
mircea_popescu: who the fuck knows. i coulda sworn.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i would genuinely like that book. if someone wishes to make it happen.
asciilifeform: and chances are i'm not the only one.
decimation: asciilifeform: me too
asciilifeform: i'd pay quadruple for an intelligently-commented 'Lions Book'-style item
decimation: printing out your own shit is annoying
asciilifeform: but not sure if anyone is qualified to produce this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform decimation i think it quite likely that once nubsy gets on you'll get your book.
asciilifeform: happy days.
decimation: yeah he's a printin' guy
decimation: The 'independent reserve' guys claim to use gpg signed email for customer support
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that the new emacs has a web-browser mode builtin?
asciilifeform: decimation: did for ages ?
decimation: really? I thought one had to download from the crazy lisp package repo
asciilifeform confesses to being rather uninterested in ugly-as-sin www browsing
asciilifeform: and similarly stallmanesque exercises
asciilifeform: the sooner 'browser' dies as a paradigm, the better:
decimation: asciilifeform: it seems like a good idea on the surface, but in practice 90% of the web will be broken
assbot: Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah it's true that the 'vision' of downloading and executing arbitrary code is exactly what the world needs
mircea_popescu: decimation no it had a web browser for a long time
asciilifeform: decimation: everybody seems shocked at that one
asciilifeform: decimation: but 'surgeon' and 'maniac' are different items, though each cuts you open while you sleep.
decimation: exactly. And everyone has been told since they were little that execution is dangerous - which is on c-machines
asciilifeform: decimation: in a same computing environment, nothing about 'downloading and executing arbitrary code' is frightening.
undata: asciilifeform: regarding the format wars post, I've fantasized about choosing to build for the canvas tag and forgetting the rest of the browser entirely
decimation: asciilifeform: did you see that IBM had to pay $1.5 bn to get rid of their chip business?
asciilifeform: lol yes
undata: just streaming commands to some canvas wrapper via a websocket
asciilifeform: decimation: thing is, this is not like you or i paying a junkman $100 to be rid of an ancient car
decimation: asciilifeform: it makes one sad. "why keep banging head against wall, and digging bigger ditch? why not try something really different"
asciilifeform: decimation: it's laundry / merit-washing. we simply don't know the details.
assbot: Google Groups
gabriel_laddel: ^ related
decimation: yeah I agree. how can a factory that can produce chips which rival intel's lithography 'lose money'?
decimation: either they are really really bad at making chips, or they are really really bad at choosing what to stamp out
asciilifeform: or leverage shenanigans
asciilifeform: that only the gods know the bottom of
asciilifeform: or nsa contract lineup fell through this year
asciilifeform: or, or, or.
decimation: you mean 'friendly' money from usg
decimation: I strongly suspect that spending more money on nsa is going to be politically untenable for the near future
decimation: it will be amusing to see who 'starves'
asciilifeform: as if they needed money.
asciilifeform: the future of u.s. taxation and criminal justice is probably the model of the 'traffic camera.'
asciilifeform: see, e.g., orlov:
asciilifeform: 'With small businesses and private enterprise made illegal, most people will be forced to resort to illegal activities, under the watchful eye of the NSA. But since putting even more people in jail will be prohibitively expensive, a new, streamlined process of dispensing justice will be put into place: the NSA and the Justice Department will link computer systems, and verdicts of fraud and suspended sentences wi
asciilifeform: ll be issued by a computer program, in absentia. In keeping with current practice, both the charge and the evidence will be kept secret. The newly minted felons will be dropped from voter rolls, their passports cancelled, their bank accounts confiscated, and their employment (if any) terminated. They will receive form letters informing them of their sentence but most of them will be unable to read it because fun
asciilifeform: ctional illiteracy rates will go from the current 40% to 80-90%.'
assbot: ClubOrlov: Business as usual
decimation: everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types
asciilifeform: that'd be dept. of state.
decimation: yeah them too
gabriel_laddel: wrong link above. apparently I recorded it by hand. I couldn't find the quote I had intended to post by googling, so here it is: http://pastebin.com/AnDwtySY from Emacs.
assbot: I started to reply at length to the many misstatements in your message. I don - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: yes, i linked to this on many occasions
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: wish i could remember where, though
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: google groups is rotting :/
asciilifeform: for years.
decimation: gabriel_laddel: yeah, emacs likes to claim 'self-documenting' but I find the quality of documentation to be pretty poor
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15179 @ 0.0007405 = 11.24 BTC [+] {2}
gabriel_laddel: decimation: It's by far the best I've found on UNIX. I've no LispM experiences and so can only imagine.
gabriel_laddel: thank you
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: (linked from ancient post of mine - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=85 )
assbot: Loper OS » The Performance of Lisp, or Why Bean Counters Need Bigger Bags of Beans
decimation: I remember when google took over the old usenet archives, thought they would make them useful rather than let them rot
asciilifeform: they did. briefly.
asciilifeform: 'dejanews' was a cesspool of pestilential spamvertising, the early 'google groups' was a breath of fresh air
mircea_popescu: decimation> everyone knows the real purpose of the intel budget is to employ spouses of high-status usg types <<< only in places which are bored of living.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tired of living - 'жить надоело', heh
mircea_popescu: they didn't have enough sense to make a wot.
mircea_popescu: no wot, no forum/
assbot: Articles: What the Byzantines Can Teach Us about Our National Security
asciilifeform: classic
asciilifeform: also the book is neato.
asciilifeform likes luttwak
decimation: "The Byzantines had good spies, but no intelligence bureaucracy at all. Officials involved in the management of espionage performed these functions along with other duties. They never had a bureaucratic hierarchy of intelligence and never thought to create one. "
decimation: yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints
assbot: Conversations with History - Edward N. Luttwak - YouTube
mircea_popescu: <decimation> yeah spies need bureaucracy like ants need blueprints << lol good one.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing tho : they do.
mircea_popescu: just, not a bureaucracy. they need management tho.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1874 @ 0.00073768 = 1.3824 BTC [-]
decimation: well, it's certainly the case that someone needs to have the 'big picture' in mind and issue instructions, I would think
asciilifeform: generally there are no 'hobbyist spies' - they're called 'armchair generals' or something alike.
decimation: asciilifeform: I suspect 'armchair general' describes 90% of usg
mircea_popescu: nah, i'll tell you what describes 90% of usg.
mircea_popescu: you see this picture ? look well at it, for it's what it looks like. sad, tired, incredibly lonely middle age white guy
mircea_popescu: in a hell of his making.
decimation: pandering the masses must drain the soul
mircea_popescu: clearly in the last place he'd ever be : his own life.
asciilifeform: 'This time of year, this part of Massachusetts is overrun by stampedes of shiny late-model SUVs with New York and New Jersey license plates. They are driven by various subspecies of the middle-aged well-to-do American Office Ogre—the lawyer, the doctor, the dentist, the banker, the lobbyist and the corporate businessman—the people who are attempting to run off with all the loot. The majestic scenery is somew
asciilifeform: hat spoiled by these surly, scowling, raspy-voiced ogres and their flabby, overmedicated wives with voices like an unoiled hinge. When not aimlessly driving around, they sit in upscale restaurants, toying with their food and gossiping menacingly. They have long forgotten what it means to be happy and carefree, and their labored attempts at feigning enjoyment are painful to watch. You can be sure that the sight o
asciilifeform: f poor but happy people makes them quite livid.'
assbot: ClubOrlov: August 2010
decimation: asciilifeform: this is probably one reason why usg policy is generally to crush the poor and happy
mircea_popescu: "Many people spent a big chunk of their lives investing in this dream and it didn't pan out quite as we wish."
mircea_popescu: no shortage of sad.
assbot: We Called It America - NOFX - YouTube
mircea_popescu: !up gibson
undata: where to move, if we're ash heap bound
asciilifeform: alpha centauri.
asciilifeform: if you can afford it.
mircea_popescu: argentina works.
asciilifeform: just the same as alpha centauri to me.
mircea_popescu: no, the chicks are way better.
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
BingoBoingo: !up RagnarsBitch
decimation: http://squid314.livejournal.com/340809.html << "All of the white people who joined Indian tribes loved it and refused to go back to white civilization. All the Indians who joined white civilization hated it and did everything they could to go back to their previous tribal lives."
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undata: mircea_popescu: what makes you like Argentina? Things like wealth taxes don't convey a sense of respect for private property, though I can see how that'd be irrelevant to BTC wealth
asciilifeform: decimation: i distinctly remember reading this earlier.
asciilifeform: linked, almost certainly, from here.
asciilifeform: (or was it mircea_popescu ?)
mircea_popescu: undata da fuck do i care about their taxes.
mircea_popescu: but i like everything. i suppose i should spell it out huh.
undata: mircea_popescu: if you want; it wont be actionable for me for years
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 02:15:37; asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "Printed and bound copy of Bitcoin ver. 0.6 source; organized into chapters by file, coloured for syntax." at 1 BTC
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: what kind of binding?
asciilifeform: ^ this is not merely a printer's job; i can abide neither haphazardly broken lines nor miniscule print.
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asciilifeform: what kind of binding << lay-flat only.
asciilifeform: absolutely no perforator or 3-ring.
asciilifeform: could do those myself.
decimation: asciilifeform: as in soft leather cover?
asciilifeform: paper ok
asciilifeform: think 'o'reilly' books
thestringpuller: no leather bound LOTR style?
thestringpuller: why not wizard spellbook style
asciilifeform: if someone wants to do this for no more than 1 btc, sure.
asciilifeform: i specified - minimum.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28376 @ 0.00074074 = 21.0192 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: 1 btc may go a long way in the future ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00073768 = 12.098 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: ;;calc 206000/390
gribble: 528.205128205
thestringpuller: ;;calc 206000 / 315
gribble: 653.968253968
assbot: MP, what do you like about Argentina ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
thestringpuller: !up bitstein
thestringpuller: !up RagnarsBitch
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