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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38500 @ 0.00083458 = 32.1313 BTC [+] {3}
unbalanced: ;;ident unbalanced
gribble: Nick 'unbalanced', with hostmask 'unbalanced!~unbalance@70.33.227.12', is identified as user 'unbalanced', with GPG key id 123147044A6CB0A8, key fingerprint 12549201BD884C99BE652155123147044A6CB0A8, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;later tell chax sorry i missed you
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC fanboi
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user unbalanced has been recorded.
benkay: ;;seen chax
gribble: I have not seen chax.
mircea_popescu: aren't you all spiffy nao
unbalanced: Ermahgerd I fell *up* the stairs. <beck>Things are gonna change, I can feel it.</beck>
benkay: if chax comes by razz him a bit for me, he's from chain.com
asciilifeform: 'We maintain a fleet of self-healing, auto-scaling Bitcoind nodes.' << will they chew your food for you, too ?
mircea_popescu: benkay aite
decimation: asciilifeform: i just got spammed by IEEE to join this group: http://rebootingcomputing.ieee.org/
assbot: IEEE Rebooting Computing
asciilifeform: decimation: mega-lol
assbot: With 'The Machine,' HP May Have Invented a New Kind of Computer - Businessweek
asciilifeform: re: hp machine:
asciilifeform: ;;google orthogonal persistence
gribble: Persistence (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistence_(computer_science)>; CTO : Orthogonal Persistence - TUNES Project: <http://tunes.org/wiki/orthogonal_20persistence.html>; Orthogonal Persistence - Java Community Process: <https://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=020>
decimation: yeah the IEEE thing seems to be more academi-tardation. quantum neuro whatever buzzword
decimation: why can't folks simply "re-imagine" the legos they have in front of them?
asciilifeform: or, as described on my site,
assbot: Loper OS » Third Law of Sane Personal Computing
asciilifeform: note that the hardware aspect of this is trivially achievable today
asciilifeform: without exotic vlsi versions of magnetic core memory, at that.
decimation: indeed a static global address space that is persistant and usable would be a reasonable project
asciilifeform: but you gotta ditch post-1970 os crapola to take actual advantage.
asciilifeform: that means all of it.
unbalanced: While I still have voice...
decimation: but ascii, the article says that HP has experience with HP-UX and "non-stop"
unbalanced: ;;later tell moiety I salute your fine nation and its primary export: http://www.walkersshortbread.com/
assbot: Walkers Shortbread
gribble: The operation succeeded.
unbalanced: There, this was all worth it.
asciilifeform: hp-ux is a bog-standard (archaic) unix
asciilifeform: !up unbalanced
decimation: pretty much all modern commercial OS's are on the BSD family tree somewhere
decimation: it's the original apple
mircea_popescu: unbalanced you can self voice now
mircea_popescu: pm assbot "!up"
asciilifeform: decimation: you must really think about this to understand the implications. a single-address space machine must... actually work. every time - because it can in no sense be rebooted.
asciilifeform: (no distinction between disk and memory)
decimation: the cache can be refreshed
decimation: but presumably the OS comes on an EPROM
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine rebooting = pulling memory out
asciilifeform: it's not orthogonally persistent if this actually does something useful
asciilifeform: (when was the last time you pulled your disk's cache sram out?)
mircea_popescu: yes well. marketingis not intended to be that hard semantically.
unbalanced: Don't I need 2 hit points? Or just the one?
justusranvier: There could be dedicated areas in the memory space that could be hardware wiped, and operations resumed from a hardcoded address. That would be like a reboot.
mircea_popescu: even the most accomplished anal insertion artist, who can take ANYTHING would not survive a parachute-less parachute fall
asciilifeform: justusranvier: this is what's on your desk now, essentially.
mircea_popescu: even if theoretically the planet is part of "everything"
asciilifeform: orthogonal persistence is something quite else.
decimation: ascii I imagine your dataflow machine as a collection of various calculating state machines, called into existence for various purposes when needed
asciilifeform: decimation: think 'emulation of room-sized fpga' and you're 90 percent there.
decimation: if you had such a beast, you just peek and poke at its inputs/outputs, it wouldn't really have an address space
unbalanced: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
unbalanced: ;;gettrust assbot mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 23 via 23 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mircea_popescu | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mircea_popescu | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
asciilifeform: decimation: you don't need an address space as such if anything that might conceivably need to communicate with, e.g., keyboard, has an actual (matrix switched) electrical connection with it.
asciilifeform: that is, there is no reason why, say, garbage collector circuit (yes) needs to be able to request a byte from my keyboard buffer.
asciilifeform: just as you presently cannot dereference a pointer to your disk's sram cache
asciilifeform: and you live with this
asciilifeform: the brain-damage of the 'address space' concept is inescapable on a von neumann arch
asciilifeform: but if you have the option of doing the last 35 yrs. of hardware again - you can toss it.
decimation: in the end, you would only need the "address space" for permanant storage
unbalanced: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 Read his stuff, you'll learn something.
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asciilifeform: only the circuit that marshalls state from the independent modules (e.g. keyboard buffer) to magnetic storage needs to know that it's a disk, and comes in 0...N 'LBA' blocks, etc.
asciilifeform: if you have the magnetic ram (actually available commercially, no need to wait for hp) you can dispense with the disk.
asciilifeform: and build the actual state in fpga out of same.
decimation: using magnetic ram for each of the LUT modules?
asciilifeform: correct
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2394 @ 0.00082887 = 1.9843 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: not just the LUT config, but the block ram
decimation: I'm surprised HP isn't trying to build an fpga with precisely this
asciilifeform: ideally you would have some means for linearly pissing state out to a cheap disk
asciilifeform: on special occasions
unbalanced: ;;rate davout 1 Sharp, made bitcoin-central, been around since forever.
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asciilifeform: decimation: go suggest to boss: 'we need to re-write every line written since 1969.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no see, wouldn't that make perfect sense ?
mircea_popescu: more work, more jerbs, more grants ?
decimation: yeah. like my point about rolls royce just making derpy web pages would be more profitable than jet engines
asciilifeform: try apply for usg grant that pads no one's pocket but your own
asciilifeform: they like prior art.
asciilifeform: papers with thick endnote sections full of favourite nephews.
decimation: if you take the king's shekels etc
asciilifeform: if you take honest sheckels - gotta sell something
asciilifeform: or at least bamboozle vc
unbalanced: ;;rate jurov 1 Runs coinbr, more... has earned my trust.
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decimation: which puts you right back into having to make friends and influence people in the bezzle wot
assbot: Financial Times | Error | Akamai Error
unbalanced: ;;rate teward 1 Just met, helped me out, knows his stuff.
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unbalanced: Or should I not be rating people I've only communicated with for a couple of hours now?
decimation: "What has been your greatest disappointment?
decimation: That I am unable to destroy the economics establishment, the press."
mircea_popescu: unbalanced ideally not.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30138 @ 0.0008268 = 24.9181 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation see ? shouldn't he be here ?
decimation: abosolutely. he might be too integrated in the wall street wot to make new friends here though
unbalanced: Mmkay, so teward, I will revoke, nothing personal. Once I figure out how.
mircea_popescu: decimation why ?!
mircea_popescu: unbalanced ;;unrate
unbalanced: ;;unrate teward
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unbalanced: decimation: re: "(my best interview)" above -- you write for FT?
decimation: heh no the link is entitled "my best interview" on taleb's page
decimation: sorry for the unclear language
unbalanced: Ah. I was going to ask you why they print on that orange-pink paper. Don't dodge the question!
unbalanced: ;;rate BingoBoingo 1 Wrote helpful GPG guide. May be my arch-nemesis in the ATC mines though, not sure yet.
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decimation: I'm just a zek, trying to scrape by in the world
mircea_popescu: what's a zek ?
assbot: White SeaBaltic Canal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
unbalanced: ;;rate pankkake 1 Funny, helpful, fights BS along with the other Super-Friends.
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decimation: solzhenitsyn's "the first circle" resonates with me. in the collectivist us, it is hard to escape this condition
mircea_popescu: so why are you there!
mike_c: !up unbalanced
unbalanced: ;;rate Apocalyptic 1 Runs x-bt.com, a solid little exchange, and my money has not disappeared.
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unbalanced: ;;rate mike_c 1 Made btcalpha.com, great tools and analysis.
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mike_c: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 486512.85 in 1086 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -31.99
mike_c: so unbalanced, what kind of diff change are you shooting for this period?
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: thanks for the dump
unbalanced: Hey, I took that dump. That's my dump! But thanks for the later-ing ThickAsThieves.
mike_c: hehe, then thank you too
unbalanced: Heh. You said "dump". Heh.
unbalanced: Regret voicing me yet?
mike_c: not yet. what kind of diff change are you trying to get this period?
unbalanced: I figure that the -25% to -50% range is desirable, as long as it doesn't fall so far someone can't easily spike it up 4x again.
unbalanced: But really, "easily" is a relative term so this may be a fool's errand.
mike_c: well, it seems like a good thing to try to me.
mike_c: ;;rate unbalanced 1 ATC tinkerer/supporter
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unbalanced: I just want to make it increasingly uneconomical to try to kill the coin. Just an experiment really.
mike_c: yeah. i don't know if it's the right thing to do, but I do think it's worth trying.
mircea_popescu: unbalanced its perfectly uneconomical to try and kill the coin already.
thestringpuller: i kinda wanna mine ATC...
thestringpuller: seems fun, like a glimpse in the past...
mike_c: i don't worry about the coin dying, but +80%/-80% diff changes are annoying.
unbalanced: thestringpuller, you too can live the dream!
thestringpuller: call it Crypto Trail
mircea_popescu: mike_c they don't seem to be hurting anything tho do they ?
mike_c: they do to me.
mircea_popescu: unbalanced so in th end how much did you end up paying per atc trying to mine ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c how ?
mike_c: having a block an hour does not feel optimal.
unbalanced: The diff is still unfolding so I don't have a final number yet. I haven't wanted to calculate it or I might stop.
mike_c: i ran the numbers, but I won't tell if you don't want to know :)
unbalanced: thestringpuller, by "dump" mike_c meant a pastebin link somewhere above, detailing how to use leaserig.net to employ mining rigs on demand.
mircea_popescu: mike_c sotell me then :D
unbalanced: See also #altcoin... that channel needs new blood.
unbalanced closes his eyes
mike_c: it's like we have discussed before. it affects merchants. it's not as easy to move coin around. this makes little difference for the occasional user, but 1 hour block time on average means sometimes 2+ hours for a block.
unbalanced: Rough back-of-the-envelope I'd say 400 satoshis per ATC if I'm lucky. Is that what you got mike_c or am I off by an order of magnitude?
mike_c: i got 371
unbalanced: Profit!
mircea_popescu: mike_c what merchants ?!
mike_c: and i ran the numbers before btc diff went up, so it could be better
mike_c: cuz the miners should have dropped in price.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: x-bt for one. is satoshijack still around? plus possibly some other merchants in development.
mircea_popescu: mike_c haven't heard from the satoshijack dude in a long time
unbalanced: Yes, I guess a tslb of >1hr only matters if the coin is moving around more than once an hour. Or day.
mircea_popescu: i really don't see th econcern. if anything, slow txn are good for a coin, they keep the people in a hurry at bay
mircea_popescu: the only folk it really hurts are speculators, of the redditard type
mike_c: JD wouldn't be happy if gamblers had to wait 1-2 hours to deposit money
mircea_popescu: mike_c would you take the jd gamblers to dinner ?
unbalanced: You know MP, I'm testing my ATC wallet. Could you send me all your ATC, and then I'll send it back?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i would not, but i'd gladly take their coin.
unbalanced: Purely routine. Just a test. No, no need to read the fine print. Just sign here.
unbalanced: See, with ATC you can relive the early days of BTC!
mike_c: like i said, i don't think this is any kind of life & death thing. it's smoothing out an annoyance.
unbalanced: Pure Disco Gold.
mircea_popescu: unbalanced i don't actually have any
mircea_popescu: mike_c from what i recall BingoBoingo wasn't too adverse to the jumps
unbalanced: See this here is more chat activity than #altcoin gets in a day. Come on over people!
unbalanced: I suspect BingoBoingo was the hash raider. Just a theory. No judgment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69400 @ 0.00082471 = 57.2349 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: unbalanced: I don't have hash...
unbalanced: You don't need it with LeaseRig.net, see the pastebin somewhere 8 miles up.
asciilifeform: decimation: welcome, fellow зек
mike_c: he's not a merchant, he's a market maker. i'm sure the diff changes are great for him.
unbalanced: You just knew about the max 4x diff jump, I haven't heard many people who know that. But I suppose it makes sense that everyone here would.
asciilifeform: (original etymology: 'зек' was originally 'з/к', sov. bureaucratic abbrev. of 'заключенный' - inmate)
asciilifeform: hence 'zek'
unbalanced: Where's nubbins? He should be ripping into us for even discussing ATC. Or did he ragequit already?
unbalanced: ;;later tell nubbins I'm in the WOT! Only took what, 4 months from Inception? PM at will.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: lol, turns out pediwikia has this explained
thestringpuller: ;;google site:blockr.io atc
gribble: Altcoin Block Explorer | blockr.io Altcoin Blockchain Market and Price: <http://atc.blockr.io/>; Altcoin block info | blockr.io: <http://atc.blockr.io/block/list/>; 1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4 - Blockr.io: <http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/1Kz5QaUPDtKrj5SqW5tFkn7WZh8LmQaQi4>
unbalanced: ;;rate asciilifeform 1 Almost paranoid enough... almost. I learn a ton from him.
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thestringpuller: ;;google site:bitoin-otc.com nubbins
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: !up unbalanced
unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7650 @ 0.00082368 = 6.3012 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: asciilifeform my favorite quote from "the first circle": "A familiar figure in many prison research establishments, Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form, put down his nationality not as 'Russian' but as 'zek', had applied his mind to many inventions, from the direct flow boiler to the jet engine, and had put his heart and soul into several of them."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21950 @ 0.00082249 = 18.0537 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: I'm pretty sure that's a crap translation though
decimation: It would be highly satisfying to write "zek" for nationality on an official form
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 417 @ 0.00225524 = 0.9404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00082392 = 18.1262 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02840016 = 0.3408 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.04400001 = 0.352 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39400 @ 0.00082344 = 32.4435 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: pong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2385 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.23500001 = 2.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.23500001 = 1.41 BTC [-]
fluffypony: are we -m again?
punkman: morning fluffy
fluffypony: mornings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.00082047 = 7.0971 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.02398476 = 1.2712 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.0707 = 0.7777 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02391925 = 0.1674 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00082022 = 26.165 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16586 @ 0.00081996 = 13.5999 BTC [-]
assbot: What Do Rich People Do Online?
fluffypony: punkman: that dude looks like Magnum PI
punkman: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.03 = 0.36 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 703 @ 0.00228499 = 1.6063 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11011 @ 0.00082047 = 9.0342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 85 @ 0.03 = 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14039 @ 0.00082388 = 11.5665 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07070707 = 0.6364 BTC [+]
punkman: why is it so hard to find a decent watermelon
punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00081966 = 23.0324 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: why not? there's always weird tricks with food
pankkake: I've mastered the chosing of avocados
punkman: I have this 1 weird trick
punkman: it's called tasting
pankkake: but you have to open it
punkman: pankkake: yeah that's the problem with watermelons, although the merchants often cut one up for tasting
pankkake: but they aren't necessarily the same
punkman: quite often the case
pankkake: though I've always had the project of crowdsourcing fruit arrival data
pankkake: especially for clementines; batches are very different and there are some characteristics I'm looking for
punkman: I mostly buy local fruit, but fuckers still can't wait until it's ripe enough
jurov: dat log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2355 BTC [+]
jurov: punkman: they can't make small triangle cut into the melon? here it's usual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.23421599 = 4.4501 BTC [-] {4}
punkman: jurov, don't they get stuck with a bunch of mediocre watermelons then? or do they sell them to the next sucker
fluffypony: altcoins are getting really desperate to find a hook: http://i.imgur.com/BRQ7rKl.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.232 = 1.16 BTC [-]
jurov: yes, some ppl don't have a clue to ask
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04085759 = 0.8172 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2169 @ 0.00020095 = 0.4359 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: also, it's generally accepted that not everything sells (aspecially at such scammy prices for groceries)
punkman: picked my apricot tree couple weeks ago, sick of them by now
punkman: bigger yield this year, but less taste
jurov: make a jam or w/e
jurov: than make pankkakes
punkman: I made a couple tarts, still too many left
assbot: NSA Custom Hardware: The FLUXBABBITT Implant (And Why It’s Important) | Mike the Crypto Goat
pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 428 @ 0.00227837 = 0.9751 BTC [-]
punkman: pankkake: wireless all the things!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 84 @ 0.00233 = 0.1957 BTC [-]
pankkake: ew :(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 24 @ 0.23116666 = 5.548 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Did the FDA Just Ban European Cheese? | Cato @ Liberty
punkman: I got some stinky camembert right here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.07070707 = 1.6263 BTC [+]
punkman: pankkake: oh they changed their mind already, http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/11/wood-aged-cheese-is-ok-says-fda
assbot: Our Short National Cheese Nightmare Is Over: FDA Backtracks on Wood-Aged Cheese - Hit & Run : Reason.com
assbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract! Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
pankkake: that's why it's so useless to try
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15461 @ 0.00081928 = 12.6669 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: kakobrekla: did you get banned from Bitcointalk?
pankkake: some months ago
fluffypony: oh I missed that
pankkake: actually he god banned twice!
pankkake: got*. one temporary and one definitive I suppose
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43700 @ 0.00082466 = 36.0376 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17755 @ 0.00082402 = 14.6305 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: new site from The Onion is awesome: http://www.clickhole.com
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jurov: fluffypony: the keyword for kako was "slanderous soul"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19055 @ 0.00082195 = 15.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20900 @ 0.00082147 = 17.1687 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00082064 = 19.8595 BTC [-] {2}
davout: pankkake: "I've mastered the chosing of avocados" <<< make me your apprentice
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: the unpickable "Forever Lock" got picked
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davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ?
kakobrekla: yes fluffypony , pankkake has it. maybe it will be trice soon.
xmj: fluffypony: i think i'll go suit-hunting now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 124 @ 0.0707 = 8.7668 BTC [-]
fluffypony: xmj: ok awesome - also see if there's a place that does tailored shirts as well, need to pick a few up
kakobrekla: >>You didn't know anything.
kakobrekla: You were giving a lot of credit to Garrett by playing the clown/troll.
kakobrekla: You made everything worse.
kakobrekla: I MADE EVERYTHING WORSE
kakobrekla: "Stop making fun of me mom, you made everything worse!!!!11"
kakobrekla: runs to his room to cry.
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fluffypony: great advertising, I feel like noodles now
assbot: Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal
kakobrekla: what a commercial.
kakobrekla: look samurai, samurai, ball, samurai, some gay dancers, samurai, oh yeah noodles.
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fluffypony: kakobrekla: (c) Usagi Design Studio, 2014
kakobrekla: what the fuzck what year is this from pankkake
pankkake: I only know it's old
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58947 @ 0.00081841 = 48.2428 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [-]
assbot: Making ubuntu.com responsive: intro (1) | Ubuntu Design Blog
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00082195 = 6.9044 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.03 = 0.15 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: so ghash io is now at 50% network
kakobrekla: noone gives fucks.
fluffypony: "don't worry guys, I will use my rock to stop this"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2585 @ 0.00082195 = 2.1247 BTC [+]
fluffypony: yay my Ziks arrived
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31546 @ 0.00082022 = 25.8747 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: so Tesla is opening their patent portfolio up, and won't sue rival firms who use the patented tech "in good faith"
fluffypony: that's a change
fluffypony: also it means Tesla-compatible charging points can be put up by tons of other manufacturers to support "their" cars, as everyone can use the same charging tech
nubbins`: ugh, awoken before 9am by skids next door shouting SATURDAY NIGHT and throwing furniture
fluffypony: throwing furniture?
nubbins`: it's friday, ya fuckin dickheads
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: not an unusual occurrence
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assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
fluffypony: Peter Todd was the cause of yesterday's dump?
pankkake: fluffypony: it's not that novel though, plenty of companies do it. they patent things as a defensive measure
fluffypony: pankkake: sure, but the automative industry has a long-standing history of patent-trolling
assbot: The Father Of All Patent Trolls - Forbes
pankkake: 1) braindead 2) braindead 3) BRAINDEAD
pankkake: who is this petertodd?
nubbins`: nevermind that
nubbins`: look at these posters i made
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
fluffypony: pankkake: Bitcoin dev
nubbins`: silver and blue ink on red paper
pankkake: I don't think he understands bitcoin
nubbins`: the blue is transparent so it looks like two different colors :(
pankkake: are you sure he's not an altcoin dev?
assbot: Contributors to bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
pankkake: 31 commits of little fixes. by that count, I'm a developer in hundreds of projects
pankkake: anyway, this kind of post is why bitcoin can't be worth $1000. still too many retards
pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat
pankkake: the more I try to read his brain damage… ugh
pankkake: ;;gpg info petertodd
gribble: User 'petertodd', with keyid 7FAB114267E4FA04, fingerprint 37EC7D7B0A217CDB4B4E007E7FAB114267E4FA04, and bitcoin address 16BG6DT2p2SMtKJGGzDARbtvjPFJikzhXQ, registered on Wed Apr 25 03:34:22 2012, last authed on Tue Apr 30 19:55:25 2013. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=petertodd . Currently not authenticated.
pankkake: ;;rate petertodd -1 does not understand bitcoin yet claims to be a developer http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/
assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user petertodd has been recorded.
kakobrekla: yeah and they will grow larger
Mats_cd03: lolll
Mats_cd03: 'get rid of pools'
Mats_cd03: 'and asics'
pankkake: when asics have absolutely nothing to do with it
xmj: fluffypony: so i was partially successful
Mats_cd03: ;;rate petertodd -1 writes theses about things he doesn't understand, like networking and bitcoin http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/
assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
nubbins`: omg you're not even authed?! :(
nubbins`: !down Mats_cd03
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25900 @ 0.0008208 = 21.2587 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up GGGG
kakobrekla: check out the maffs on this dude
assbot: [NastyFans.org] NASTY MINING | POOL | COINS
kakobrekla: lost 65%, its a longterm win.
kakobrekla: unrealized wins.
mircea_popescu: unbalanced: Big day for me, living la vida crypto. Thanks all. Going afk for a while. << that was lulzy lol. like kid with new xmas train.
mircea_popescu: you did twice as worse << it's twice as bad
mircea_popescu: worse is a superlative and for that reason incomparable.
kakobrekla: but he did so bad
kakobrekla: you cant compare
kakobrekla: yet i had to.
mircea_popescu: lol that's a point
assbot: manamex +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
kakobrekla: !up manamex
mircea_popescu: wow it reports now ?
kakobrekla: it reports now.
kakobrekla: only if you are in the wot but not enough THRUST.
mircea_popescu: ;;coffee
gribble: Error: "coffee" is not a valid command.
manamex: thanks
mircea_popescu: it does not yet make coffee ?
mircea_popescu: halfassed job
kakobrekla: the usual.
mircea_popescu: "Professor Chelnov, an old mathematician arrested seventeen years ago and who, when he had to fill in a form" << why the fuck'd anyone fill a form already.
mircea_popescu: derpy soviets think they're so smart, let them fill all the forms they want.
mircea_popescu: punkman: do I have to put them up to my ear and tap them? << if you can't hear the tap without putting it to your ear it's not a good one anyway
kakobrekla: so what brings you manamex , you only got a 30 min block might as well use it
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: are we -m again? << no ?!
kakobrekla: sez +m here
mircea_popescu: ya here too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47737 @ 0.0008208 = 39.1825 BTC [+]
fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird
mircea_popescu: pankkake: you can plant them and no one will check the cables every day << why not ?
fluffypony: yeah all my catchup logs pushed to me this AM have decimation and unbalanced talking but unvoiced
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.03 = 0.45 BTC [+]
fluffypony: probably ZNC being weird
fluffypony: !down
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you prolly lost state at some point ?
mircea_popescu: unbalanced kept getting devoiced and i doubt he's yet figured how to pm assbot
fluffypony: yeah state could have been wonky
fluffypony: yes definitely out of state:
fluffypony: [2014-06-13T06:39:35+0200] <mircea_popescu> what's a zek ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.04 = 0.44 BTC [+]
fluffypony: apparently you weren't voiced for a while
mircea_popescu: now that's not possible :D
fluffypony: stupid client
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25800 @ 0.0008214 = 21.1921 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: davout: how would one detect a block witholding attack on a pool ? << which kind ?
mircea_popescu: if you mean to try and double spend, it'd be hard for any pool to do. if you mean, the withholding to hurt the pool, it can't really, but extreme bad luck is always suspicious.
mircea_popescu: in principle tho the pools are open to this "who's willing to lose most money" attack, they could start doing it to each other (and perhaps the larger ones have done it to ensure their position already - it's disputed)
manamex: kakobrekla: I'm new here and looking around, browsing the logs
Mats_cd03: zek is a word for an enslaved man in gulag or what have you
mircea_popescu: lol the us should ban good cheese. the stuff they call cheese is a disgrace to the name, best just painlessly divorce.
nubbins`: !up Vexual
nubbins`: Vexual: thanks :D
Vexual: hi all
nubbins`: fluffypony: shirts shipped. holy shit, it's costly to send mail to .za
nubbins`: artifexd: your shirts shipped as well
fluffypony: nubbins`: need me to chip in extra to cover?
nubbins`: nah, don't worry about it
nubbins`: i budget ~$10 per shirt for shipping. usually it ends up being much less. yours came to $57 for 6 shirts :D
nubbins`: i know, right?!
mircea_popescu: dude are womenz in sa mostly nekkid ?
Vexual: then the postman thieves em
mircea_popescu: if shipping shirts costs more than the shirts it'd seem practical
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00225245 = 1.6893 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: wait til he tells you about the tariffs on clothing imports
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 54 @ 0.00225245 = 0.1216 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "1) Eliminate pools. 2) Provide a way for miners to solo-mine with low varience and frequent mining payouts even with only small amounts of hashing power. 3) Get rid of ASICs." mkay todd is off another planet.
mircea_popescu: why not get rid of airplanes while at it, they spread germs, are a threat to diversity and make it really easy for assholes like mp (or genius chinese kids) to fly to retarded backwater places (like the us) and just take over
fluffypony: nubbins`: holy cowbell
fluffypony: is that with CanadaPost?
nubbins`: provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine
nubbins`: fluffypony, yep. canada is a notoriously expensive place to mail things from
fluffypony: yeah damn, that is pricey
nubbins`: europe isn't as bad
nubbins`: africa/asia are costly
fluffypony: that's what I'd pay to courier a parcel like that to Canada with Aramex
nubbins`: well shit, next time send me an empty box and i'll load it up & write RETURN TO SENDER on it ;D
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> provide a way for cars to fly through the air with minimal time even with only a two-stroke lawnmower engine << i know right ? i will sell half my gasoline unless this happens.
nubbins`: mp lel
mircea_popescu: ahahaha that trick might just work lmao
nubbins`: half your gas?!
mircea_popescu: i have a bucket o gas.
nubbins`: i might get out of the gas business altogether
nubbins`: until saudi stops its 51% attack
Vexual: asics deter 50% attacks, it's expensive
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mircea_popescu: "Do I still think Bitcoin will succeed in the long run? Yes, but I'm a lot less sure of it than I used to be."
mircea_popescu: all these derps with their tech fixation.
nubbins`: the quoted statement contains no information
Vexual: gonna take dollars 4 2.5 weeks
mircea_popescu: bitcoin will succeed in the long term because i say so. not because todd says or doesn't say so. wtf is this, programmer planet, where programmers matter now ?!
nubbins`: if programmers mattered, maybe i'd still be one D;
nubbins`: (almost definitely not, but hey)
assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
kakobrekla: now he prits t shirts.
nubbins`: kakobrekla, and posters!
kakobrekla: and posters.
mircea_popescu: better posters than posers amirite
nubbins`: funny thing is, the work i do now actually does matter more
nubbins`: chew on that
kakobrekla: true, i made bitbet from tshirts.
kakobrekla: and posters.
mircea_popescu: i thought it was two cups and a wire
nubbins`: i thought it was two cups and a girl
nubbins`: wait, no, that's backwards
kakobrekla: maybe a wire and two girls.
mircea_popescu: lol lampelina'll love thart
nubbins`: how thick is the wire?
kakobrekla: actually she would.
nubbins`: 0000-gauge and up or i'm not watching
kakobrekla: the gauge is the thing that goes in reverse right
Mats_cd03: militants advancing towards baghdad
kakobrekla: who came up with that shit
nubbins`: quad-0 is just shy of 1/2"
mircea_popescu: "BTW If you owe me fiat and normally pay me via Bitcoin, for the next 2.5 weeks you can pay me based on the price I sold at, $650 CAD." << so inadvertently, the guy's holdings are 5 weeks of his income.
nubbins`: who knows!
Mats_cd03: bet its done in two months
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 596.0, Best ask: 599.69, Bid-ask spread: 3.69000, Last trade: 596.0, 24 hour volume: 32119.14208210, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 628.77, 24 hour vwap: 587.301256977
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00082087 = 17.1151 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: btc/cad is ~660 right now
Vexual: i like how the fbi made a neat little bounce
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 20 * 5 * 5/52 * 45000 / 587
gribble: 737.124885336
mircea_popescu: the total estimated holdings of the bitcoin power rangers < 1k btc.
mircea_popescu: admitting todd's typical.
nubbins`: kakobrekla: apparently it's an indicator of how many pulls through a drawing die
mircea_popescu: (and i do believe he's typical, there's nothing more conformally uniform in the world than tech people.)
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kakobrekla: nubbins` would make sense but it still doesnt.
nubbins`: 0 gauge, bar stock
nubbins`: 1 gauge, pull it thru first hole
mircea_popescu: <Mats_cd03> militants advancing towards baghdad << myeah.
nubbins`: still pretty silly
kakobrekla: you can tell it sucks if it cant go into negative.
nubbins`: inorite :(
mircea_popescu: negative thickness ?!
mircea_popescu: like urc0k ?
Vexual: zing
nubbins`: they just keep adding zeroes until people give up and use mm
mircea_popescu: speaking of negative cock thickness, so the good folk here don't fucking import condoms.
nubbins`: they produce em domesically?
Vexual: recycle?
nubbins` ponders economy of scale
nubbins`: sheep casings?
mircea_popescu: cue me in pharmacy with womenz in tow looking askew at the two mds there, with a stupid novelty ladden package onthe counter. "what are trhese!?!?"
mircea_popescu: so in the end i order research on condoms. answer comes out that the only half decent brand is "prime"
mircea_popescu: imagine, i could scribble "numbers" under it and be a real geek fucking.
Vexual: for 3 somes
nubbins`: imagine if you were to skip the women and fuck a pie
mircea_popescu: but anyway, so i go buy one of each type, and as chance would have it i first try the tyhing called "anatomical"
mircea_popescu: that thing...
mircea_popescu: that thing is so narrow i couldn't fit any part of it in there.
mircea_popescu: fucking clitoris condom
mircea_popescu: who the hell knew "anatomical" is condom codeword for "i have a very small icepick"
nubbins`: twist: it's a combination condom/cock ring
Vexual: prolly got the condom bachine on aliexpress
nubbins`: anyway, to quote sublime
nubbins`: el amigo es un condon en el bolsillo
Mats_cd03: interesting turn for the kurds though
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 whassat
Mats_cd03: they've been shit on for a long time, now they have oil guns and territory
mircea_popescu: what are you, like new to this risk! game of international intrigue ?
Mats_cd03: maybe they'll become a nation state, the dream of all oppressed little guys
mircea_popescu: or maybe they'll becomne dinner
mircea_popescu: the actual fate of all opressed little guys
assbot: Internet privacy decision by Supreme Court comes today - Technology & Science - CBC News
mircea_popescu: they're oppressed for a reason you know. nobody in the entire history of oppression was oppressed for anything but a reason.
davout: mircea_popescu: "which kind ?" <<< apparently some eligius guy claims they've caught one of their miners doing the withold-correct-block-hashes thing
Mats_cd03: sometimes you get a scrappy one. I'll be watching closely
mircea_popescu: davout well do they offer any proof ?
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 care to make it intereskin ?
davout: none at all, so i was like wtf
davout: lemme fish the post
mircea_popescu: davout so moar drama.
nubbins`: wait, i thought the withholding hashes thing didn't work because of nonces or some sort of math shit
mircea_popescu: seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` huh ?
assbot: [6600Th] Eligius: 0% Fee BTC, 105% PPS NMC, No registration, CPPSRB (New Thread)
nubbins`: just ignore, rambling
davout: mircea_popescu: "seems more a function ofyou for the first time reading miner stuff than anything else." <<< nah, just wtfing at this, wondering if i was right to be wtfing or simply stupid
nubbins`: OHHHH, sorry, i misunderstood
nubbins`: i thought they were saving up valid hashes to blow their wad all at once
nubbins`: not the case at all
mircea_popescu: davout the guy is a legit miner, but perhaps not too acquainted with logic. they're not detectable, they're susceptionable.
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: i like that...i wouldn't know what to select for a proposition, though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37050 @ 0.00082043 = 30.3969 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: (if they actually were detectable they'd logically be prevetnable too)
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 me either tbh
davout: to me it sounds retarded to confiscate such an amount on a suspicion, especially when the suspected attacker has no economic incentive to be attacking in the first place
mircea_popescu: "My guess is that they never expected to get caught and suffer income loss as a result of their attack. But, once they were caught, I put a filter in place to block them from the payout queue (similar to the block on known MtGox addresses). Eligius’s offline wallet now has roughly 200 BTC work credits held from the payout queue under the attacker's addresses, that we have stopped them from stealing."
Vexual: well the other 50% prevents it, and as you tend to 100%, it becomes unprofitable
mircea_popescu: so elegius is stealing from some miner they had an argument with.
Vexual: how godly
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would someone keep a 200 btc balance, and esp with elegius, is beyong me.
Mats_cd03: Kurds create sovereign state recognized by majority of nations by 2015?
mircea_popescu: "When they noticed, weeks later, they contacted us complaining. We asked them to sign messages to verify they were in fact in control of the addresses in question including asking them to include a real name and location in the signed message, refusing to discuss it until they had done so"
mircea_popescu: herpy derp. so basically don't mine with elegius and that's that.
davout: Luke-Jr: what's with that?
davout: !up Luke-Jr
mircea_popescu: "It has unofficially been decided that if it came down to it, Eligius would shut down before being forced to pay any attacker of any kind any amount whatsoever."
mircea_popescu: o look, it's also closing ? isn't this one of the oldest pools still (sort-of) standing ?
kakobrekla: elegius deceiving users? wouldn't be the first time.
mircea_popescu: "P.S. - This is unrelated to any of the stats issues that have occurred. (Server migration for the new web server is still under way…)"
dub: inb4: I'd explain but you wouldnt understand
mircea_popescu: well the more persuasive explanation is, elegius fucked up a server upgrade (on its sole server, if you don't count an old backup box which is never live anyway), lost some user's accounts
kakobrekla: how much CP does 200btc buy Luke-Jr ?
mircea_popescu: and is now going into uberderpage mode to cover it up
mircea_popescu: forum responds : "WOOT WTG WK!!! you teach them that messing with our pool isn't an option Great job on catching them and stopping them from getting their reward for doing nothing Finally some scammers didn't get to scam...oh how good that makes me feel...lost 21 coins to some lying cheating bastards already one was the btcrow or some website email scam..thought i was using escrow but was really sending them the coi
mircea_popescu: ns oh well...Great job on running the pool WK!! couldn't ask for a better pool op"
mircea_popescu: these people should vote, seriously. then we'd finally have real democracy, when nothing and nobody prevents these people from giving their "opinion" on how public affairs should be run
mircea_popescu: and we'll all be happy and everything plentiful and good.
nubbins`: !up Vexual
fluffypony: kakobrekla: shouldn't you be asking Brock?
mircea_popescu: oh wait wait.
kakobrekla: who is brock
nubbins`: ;;google brock
gribble: Brock - Bulbapedia, the community-driven Pokémon encyclopedia: <http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brock>; Brock (anime) - Bulbapedia - Bulbagarden: <http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Brock_(anime)>; Brock (Pokémon) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_(Pok%C3%A9mon)>
mircea_popescu: the even more logical conclusion : there's some miner going around with 32 bit hardware, that's unable to correctly handle 64 bit nonces
mircea_popescu: and so doesn't submit the winning block half the time it finds it, and doesn't care to fix his hardware.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: Bryan Singer's buddy
mircea_popescu: this has been known for fucking months, except apparently not by the elegius admin crew.
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mircea_popescu: congrats on wizkid for making things sound retarded i guess.
kakobrekla: dunno if it makes any difference but bitstamp has a company registered for each of its ~20 'employees' here in slovenia.
fluffypony: kakobrekla: like 1 company per employee?
Vexual: neato
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because they want the low tax
mircea_popescu: they get 20k euro per corp or so, if they make one per employee that's a 400k deduction
Vexual: when does co tax become beneficial in slov??
Vexual: oh
davout: kakobrekla: interdasting
Vexual: i thought it might be, "we'll set you up as a co coz youll be making 1 million withing 6 months"
Vexual: "now code"
kakobrekla: CSS HARDER!
Vexual: all the styles!
Vexual: i don't know slovenia from slovakistan
mircea_popescu: Naphex check this out :
mircea_popescu: "In 5.16, I post my ticket.
mircea_popescu: In 5.21, you replied to request signature for my address, I replied.
mircea_popescu: In 5.23, you found my signature is wrong. after investigate, I found that I add a extra space on somewhere, then I re-sign the text. Then, a week passed. "
mircea_popescu: this is why i say the thing sucks and shouldn't be used.
mircea_popescu: makes it too damned easy for anyone to arbitrarily reject signs, which goes entirelky against the fucking point of a signature in the first place.
mircea_popescu: and the forumtards respond : ""If I didn't do it I would say that I didn't do it. You wrote a very long post and not one time did you say that you did not do it. To me, that says a lot! Don't bother now, it's too late.
mircea_popescu: some real king solomons out there, we're so fortunate to have everything the cat dragged in "involved" in bitcoin. thank you accessibility, thank you ever so.
mircea_popescu: "Even if it was unintentional you fucked up at everyone elses expense. Other people paid for your mistake in coding. You should return ALL the BTC you've mined." << someone was going on about how the confiscation "restored their faith in HUMANITY". this is then humanity, at its core. dunno why anyone'd want any part of it.
mircea_popescu: anyway, nice find davout
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00081972 = 12.4188 BTC [-]
davout: mircea_popescu: i just realized the "WOOT WTG WK!" quote was actually what someone said
davout: that resonates with asciilifeform's comment wrt taleb piercing the bozo field
mircea_popescu: anyway, ghash having 51% is
mircea_popescu: WAY better than that fuckwit eleutheria having 51%
Vexual: fuck wrong person
mircea_popescu: last time that happened we ended up with a hard fork. so far ghash is 0-1 on the score.
Vexual: ;;later tell decimation that was meant for Mats_cd03 regarding whether or not he needed a ham license for his hackrf
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: ghash is boss pool
mircea_popescu: for as long that'll last.
Vexual: TAT asked was it bullshit
Vexual: seems not
Vexual: yeah some other bastard will bring more peta with tricker deployment measures, and bitcoin succeeds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00082286 = 7.9817 BTC [+]
Vexual: theres a reason dogetreats are priced in satoshi
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00230894 = 0.2309 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: pankkake: who is this petertodd? << one of the saner of the power ranger bunch.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: "It will always be cheaper to run a small amount of hashing power than a large amount" wat << in good tech tradition, he understands nothing of business, including the fact that he understands nothing of it.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete hey
fluffypony: ohaaaai bitcoinpete
bitcoinpete: lol someone's chipper this morning
nubbins`: i wonder will these SR coins auction for below or above market rate
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: the sr coins will go for market rate because they are market rate
bitcoinpete: more or less
bitcoinpete: limited by only being accessible to us citizens and whatnot
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the announced price will be under market rate. the "winner" will not actually have to pay anything, but will have to support usg policy.
nubbins`: hm, i woulda put my money on above market rate
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete they're not limited to being accessible to us citizens. they're limited to being accessible to that one corp that makes the most convincing case it'll be useful.
nubbins`: there's gotta be at least a few financial institutions/hedge funds/whatever that want btc but don't want to purchase from a foreign exchange, guy on the street, etc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so make a bitbet. "the announced price of the usms sale will be under market rate at that time"
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu i'd love to be the one reading those proposals
nubbins`: i just may
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so ?
mircea_popescu: !up veeminer
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
nubbins`: so, now's their chance
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: is the auction not based on price alone?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no, it's not.
bitcoinpete: "we promise to use these bitcoins to finance libraries for coindeskers"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's not bnased on th price at all. the fuck does the usg need 50mn
fluffypony: that's fucking retarded.
mircea_popescu: no it's not.
mircea_popescu: it's the usg laundering its ill gotten bitcoins.
bitcoinpete: "we promise to use these bitcoin to finance roads to hawaii"
fluffypony: no I don't mean from there perspective
mircea_popescu: through a "sale" to a "private" party.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they'll announce it as somewhat under market.
mircea_popescu: sadly i have little avenue to bitchslap them
mircea_popescu: but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that.
Vexual: does d really mean discount?
bitcoinpete: so is that them diddling the "price" leading up to the auction?
mircea_popescu: (it's really the same thing, trying to use the propaganda machine to control btc via "news" of "sales")
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete doubt it.
mircea_popescu: just the usual mommentum traders getting raped yet again.
nubbins`: but if i don't hop on the train, i'll never travel
nubbins`: sure, it might be in the wrong direction, but hey
mircea_popescu: right-o.
nubbins`: i'm a part of this thing &c &c
davout: mircea_popescu: wrt to the d. series, in case of acquisition the asset becomes worthless, right?
mircea_popescu: davout that'll be a case by case basis.
mircea_popescu: if they do a reverse-ipo for instance it'll stick.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu but i do suspect someone leaked teh d. series plans, because they've been moving before i said that. << can you explain "they've been moving?"
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete the "we're selling bitcoin" news manipulation went in days before the "i'm going to kill your "investment" news manipulation" announcement.
mircea_popescu: why not at any prior point for the past... year ?
bitcoinpete: there's room for coincidence
bitcoinpete: i mean, the number of people who knew about d.series
bitcoinpete: makes for a hard, but not impossible, pill to swallow
mircea_popescu: traders talk. if they didn't, they couldn't trade. it's a complex beast.
bitcoinpete: to be sure
mircea_popescu: davout generally i might do something like "in case of acquisition by listed corp, you get the delta for the next 30 days"
bitcoinpete: i guess i didn't read the usg sale as propaganda-y
mircea_popescu: tho that's kinda dubious, but hey
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete bitcoin is war, you know.
Vexual: 30 mil pays some wages
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: nothing less. our mafia vs theirs
bitcoinpete: i guess it'd have to be 'ganda, or else they'd just keep their coins like a sane person
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: "Mac Pro cold boots a Windows Server 2012 R2 Domain Controller in 3 seconds. Coffee keeps getting cold - no opportunity to take a sip."
mircea_popescu: anyone ever seriously ran a system in their history that took longer ?
mircea_popescu: i count to three and start throwing things
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2121 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks!
kakobrekla: and this dude is voiced in this chan.
kakobrekla: clearly something is off.
bitcoinpete: unvoice the heretic!
nubbins`: haha
kakobrekla: lampelina did you put stuff in my food?
nubbins`: "will my investment tank? yes, but who cares?"
bitcoinpete: nubbins`: with all this great violin music on the titanic...
nubbins`: mp, not everyone is running ms-dos ;(
nubbins`: "other than that, mrs. lincoln, how was the play?"
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> and this dude is voiced in this chan. << whjo ?!
kakobrekla: *drumroll*
kakobrekla: Blazedout419
nubbins`: ;;rated Blazedout419
gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 dude are you serious even ?!
nubbins`: it took me like 4 months to figure out what "nastyfans" was
nubbins`: "why would you pay money to be in this weird club?" etc
Vexual: not quite 420
kakobrekla: cause only 65% loss compared to the average of 99%
nubbins`: then i realized they were doing the careful-language-dance
mircea_popescu: nubbins` some random dork's odd approach to legal matters.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 50 @ 0.04 = 2 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: anyway, whatever happened of nefario's buttbuddy, some chav running "red star mining" ?
nubbins`: if we don't CALL it shares in a mining security...
Vexual: hes dickslexical
nubbins`: they're still on the go
Vexual: the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
pankkake: he got butthurd when i left him negative feedback for running a self moderated thread
nubbins`: ^ there's the ceo at a recent conference
Vexual: looks like zacdelasomeone
nubbins`: shhhh!!
nubbins`: ignore the drums too
nubbins`: concentrate on the large ASICs in the foreground
Vexual: oh i see it now nubbins`, and ive more money than before
nubbins`: makes sense, yes?
Vexual: nod
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> the swede bought all his shit before he lab coined << how quaint.
nubbins`: god, i can't even remember what scam the swede was pushing
nubbins`: i should write this shit down
pankkake: he was the PR for Labcoin
nubbins`: riiiiiiiiiight
Vexual: prolly on cryptostocks now ? red star?
pankkake: but every good scam uses random forum users for PR
nubbins`: oh, in the meantime, i see charlie shrem is active on the forums again
kakobrekla: alberto armandi, one of the best.
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/ ---- I love how everyone is acting like something can be done.
assbot: Why I just sold 50% of my bitcoins: GHash.IO : Bitcoin
pankkake: Vexual: on the 796 exchange
Vexual: ah
pankkake: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves that's whatreddit is for neh ? for people who can't do anything to pretend like they're doing things.
nubbins`: ;;gettrust assbot Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
nubbins`: hmm, this new death grips album features bjork on all the tracks
Vexual: ooh
nubbins`: yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43150 @ 0.00081963 = 35.367 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Death Grips - Up My Sleeves - YouTube
nubbins`: lel, there's a track called "have a sad cum"
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
nubbins`: AS IF I NEED TO BE TOLD D;
assbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
mircea_popescu: nubbins` hm ?
nubbins`: just curious
nubbins`: for a sec i thought "wow, mp rated rg +10?"
nubbins`: then i lrnd 2 rd grafs
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> davout so moar drama. /// you know what that means!
nubbins`: more testicles = more iron
nubbins`: more drama = ???
mircea_popescu: moar price! moons!
nubbins`: this will wreak havoc on the tides
nubbins`: i'm glad my house is up the hill from the water
nubbins`: oh hey, fun fact: i'd have to fly west to visit argentina
artifexd: nubbins`: Awesome. Thanks!
nubbins`: thank YOU
artifexd: No. Thank YOU!
nubbins`: it seems we've reached a stalemate
nubbins` rattles sabre
artifexd: Thanks for everyone then.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` west ?!
assbot: St John's, NL - Google Maps
nubbins`: zoom out til you can see
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what time you got at m ?
nubbins`: noon
mircea_popescu: you're not flying west or east then
nubbins`: not through time, no
nubbins`: but through space, yes
Vexual: well....
Vexual: you aint light either
mircea_popescu: wut ? lol
nubbins`: st john's is directly north of uruguay's easternmost border
mircea_popescu: if you're not leaving your timezone what west is that
mircea_popescu: usure you got those graphs ?
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: i'm definitely leaving my time zone
assbot: Newfoundland Time Zone - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: "I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of Eric Cantor with some business economists;"
mircea_popescu: dude the fucking bullshit habit of renaming stuff you were already gonna do.
mircea_popescu: here's a news flash : if you're not having AN EXTRA dinner on top of your normal dinner, you're not having a dinner in honor of anybodyu
nubbins`: according to that, i'd be flying west and turning my watch forward
nubbins` scratches head
assbot: Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: just like some dorks that meet each friday for a beer attheir pub can't just put up a sign saying "bitcoin conference hackathon and miss universe contest"
Vexual: grand unified theory of where nubbns is
nubbins`: I have a steakhouse dinner tonight in honor of my hunger
mircea_popescu: and pretend like their alleged conference-hackathon-topless party attracted a huge crowd
nubbins`: Vexual: they even colored us grey on that map
wywialm: hello -assets
nubbins`: the color of honor and dignity
nubbins`: hi wyw
mircea_popescu: justusranvier no word about how "we're some contemptible pieces of shit that lied about things and were made a public mockery when the people we lied about never heard of us" ?
mircea_popescu: nice pr.
nubbins`: actually, funny coincidence
nubbins`: there's a town here called Argentia
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol "everyone was there!"
nubbins`: not to be confused with Argentina (unless you're a spell-check)
mircea_popescu: i guess since the dork in question can't gpg sign, i could make a pastebin too. let's have some fun
nubbins`: WOAH
nubbins`: so the violent lesbian who lives next door looks about 8 months pregnant
nubbins` scratches head
TomServo: I have a neighbor that's looked the same for about 2 years.
Vexual: cool story bro
nubbins`: maybe her baby petrified
nubbins`: i've heard of this
TomServo: Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself.
assbot: Lithopedion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mats_cd03: divine insemination
Vexual: russia looks real big on that projection
nubbins`: lithopedia, the stone babies anyone can edit
nubbins`: greenland too
Mats_cd03: the antichrist needs 36 months to gestate
Vexual: yeah, thats an equatorialist map
ThickAsThieves: Nintendo won't add Twitch streaming to Wii U: 'What's fun about that?' --- Nintendo rox
nubbins`: nintendo, big on fun
nubbins`: i bought a wii u a couple weeks ago
Vexual: youve got about 5.5 months until it dies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00082286 = 12.2195 BTC [+]
nubbins`: the baby?!
Vexual: consoles shoudnt have batteries
nubbins`: oh, the wii u
nubbins`: how else you gonna keep the clock running?
Vexual: the thing is quite obviously an aborted vr headset
assbot: Exciting changes at BitAngels - an update on multiple fronts - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: there, much better.
nubbins`: all i know is mario kart 8 is fun ;(
Vexual: oooh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.04 = 0.76 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> Funnily enough, she proclaimed 'And I'm not pregnant' in the same breath she introduced herself. << cirrhosis ?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lmao there we go
bitcoinpete: ficksed!
ThickAsThieves: not sure if i missed it, is mpif trading NMC now too?
nubbins`: lel @ tourists outside taking pictures of the row houses
nubbins`: !up Vexual
nubbins`: if only they knew
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves manager studying thepossibility.
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves you may find this interesting
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: finally got an excuse to use silver ink
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw,can you make me gold ink business cards?
ThickAsThieves: neat, i only ever did maybe two metallic ink projects
nubbins`: mircea_popescu of course
mircea_popescu: on kickass silk paper ?
ThickAsThieves: a jewelry gift bag, and a annual meeting invitation
nubbins`: how about kickass cotton paper?
mircea_popescu: silken finish ?
ThickAsThieves: mp make sure you are clear on the difference between metallic ink and foil embossed
nubbins`: ah, cotton finish?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves im clueless. halp ?
nubbins`: foil embossed looks like gold leaf stuck to the paper
ThickAsThieves: ink looks like graphite basically
nubbins`: could shave in it
ThickAsThieves: foil looks like metal
nubbins`: i think i have pics of gold ink on cotton, one sec
mircea_popescu: ah that's what i want, foil embossed
ThickAsThieves: of course showing pics of metallic ink...
ThickAsThieves: doesnt get you much
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: please tell me you're working on a trilema post for the angels pastebin. if not, i'm on it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so what does itdo ? just discretely sparkle ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete go for it
ThickAsThieves: yeah like a bit better than pencil lead
mircea_popescu: if i put the idiots on trilema that'd increase their "brand" by 10k%, just for a post.
mircea_popescu: i c. well thanks for that lol.
ThickAsThieves: it's neat looking on uncoated paper
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: booyah
ThickAsThieves: it's just not the same thing as foil
TomServo: mircea_popescu: It's a good possibility.
mircea_popescu: so nubbins` can you do foil embossed over paper that looks like i cut it out of a high class whore's bedsheets ?
ThickAsThieves: i should also note, i personally find foil to be supremely tacky
nubbins`: yeah, foil sucks
mircea_popescu: that's the point.
mircea_popescu: not when you're me.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ gold ink
mircea_popescu: ah tjat's not so bad
nubbins`: it shimmers
mircea_popescu: way better than just some graphite.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` got a foil one anywhere ?
ThickAsThieves: yeah the gold ink does come off better than the silver
nubbins`: we're not set up for foil
ThickAsThieves: embossing is nice too
mircea_popescu: i see. okay! so why are there two "colors" of gold ?
nubbins`: that's the light shining off it
ThickAsThieves: cause it's metallic
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how bad a translation is this iyo << acceptable translation. (had occasion to read original quite recently.)
mircea_popescu: i mean the blank seems to have a margin around it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ty
nubbins`: ah yes yes
ThickAsThieves: oh that's just at 50% coverage or such
nubbins`: that's a solid border with halftone dots in the middle
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so do you have muy luxurious paper ?
davout: mircea_popescu: "there, much better." <<< nice
nubbins`: mircea_popescu our go-to cotton paper is stonehenge 250gsm, nice and thick, used by steadman, vonnegut, etc
mircea_popescu: is it pale pale pink ?
mircea_popescu: like boiled in cuntwater ?
nubbins`: we generally buy "cream" which can look pinkish in some lights
mircea_popescu: but can you buy cuntish, which looks pinkish in all lights ?
ThickAsThieves: you can print cuntish
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
nubbins`: stonehenge doesn't come in cuntish
Vexual: mad foldin on the back
ThickAsThieves: you flood print the whole sheet
mircea_popescu: nubbins` got anything that does ?
nubbins`: but we could just print a light pink base laye
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00082358 = 11.2007 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: but is this stonehedge shiny ?
ThickAsThieves: metallic on shiny is not good
nubbins`: nope, coated (shiny) papers don't print well
nubbins`: now, we can get black cotton paper
mircea_popescu: black is not bad.
nubbins`: looks pretty rich
mircea_popescu: ok, make me 100 black 100 floodprinted pale cunt color ? how do i give you the face ?
nubbins`: vector format is best
nubbins`: .ai, .pdf. .eps
nubbins`: .svg, even
mircea_popescu: what dpi you got ?
nubbins`: all the dpi
mircea_popescu: lol all the dpi. what px size is the card ?
nubbins`: this is silkscreen, dpi is for digital prints ;D
nubbins`: 300dpi if you're including bitmaps
mircea_popescu: ;;google business card size
gribble: How Big is a Standard Size Business Card? - Desktop Publishing: <http://desktoppub.about.com/od/businesscards/f/What-Is-The-Size-Of-A-Standard-Business-Card.htm>; Business Card Sizes « Designers Toolbox: <http://designerstoolbox.com/designresources/businesscards/>; Business card - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card>
Vexual: .corel
nubbins`: if it's just shapes/text, size doesn't really matter
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's just text but i use obscure fonts :D
nubbins`: convert 'em to shapes / outlines :D
nubbins`: (i do too)
nubbins`: in inkscape, Path > Object to path
mircea_popescu: so 1050 x 600 px good for you ?
nubbins`: sure
mircea_popescu: what's a 100 cost ?
Vexual: 100? save some til next conference, i want one
ThickAsThieves: 100 costs same as 1000 probly
ThickAsThieves: a black on gold design i did once: http://imgur.com/rPXbIyZ
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
ThickAsThieves: gold on black...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves not bad
ThickAsThieves: she wanted olde timey
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: let me see
nubbins`: 100 black + 100 pussy pink would run ya about $160
nubbins`: per-unit cost decreases dramatically with larger orders, of course
mircea_popescu: and 1k each ?
ThickAsThieves: "It's with great excitement that we unveil the new Bitcoin.com, a user-friendly resource that shows how to acquire, store and spend your bitcoins." http://www.bitcoin.com/
assbot: Bitcoin.com
nubbins`: $400
ThickAsThieves: so basically bitcoin.com has been marketized
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves basically.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you ever shipped anything to argentina before ?
ThickAsThieves: it's partner logos
ThickAsThieves: and very american
nubbins`: not that i can recall
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i wonder how long it takes
nubbins`: airmail, maybe a week or two
nubbins`: surface, maybe 4-6 weeks
nubbins`: xpresspost, within a week
nubbins`: all guesswork here :D
mircea_popescu: ima have to see if there's a local solution
ThickAsThieves: you could always run the job through 4over.com, the paper wouldnt be quite as nice, but few would notic
nubbins`: it's definitely cheaper to get cards done locally
ThickAsThieves: they have 16pt uncoated and do metallics
Vexual: bueos airies gets planes muy times day
nubbins`: vistaprint makes 'em for what, 7 cents each?
thestringpuller: ah price drp
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Vexual: how long does the moose take?
nubbins`: Vexual, about 3 hours in a stew
nubbins`: quicker for sausages
ThickAsThieves: the average mammal takes 21secs to pee
Vexual: lol
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i dunno, prolly will be more expensive locally, cause they got hsit for tech
mircea_popescu: but it won't liklely be two weeks.
mircea_popescu: or so i hope.
mircea_popescu: tho with these people...
Vexual: and smaller
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 157 @ 0.00208151 = 0.3268 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: yeah, i mean, it'd take us two weeks just to get the paper and print the cards
nubbins`: up-side is that you look like a baller handing out hand-printed business cards
mircea_popescu: maybe eventually, but i'll have to be handing out somethingmeanwhile.
nubbins`: man gotta have cards
thestringpuller: developers are offloading
nubbins`: developers hold btc?
thestringpuller: lolol i kno rite?
nubbins`: i wonder will goat ever get around to getting his certs printed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they got hsit for tech << speaking of which, know of any civilized electronics plants in Ar?
thestringpuller: Arkansas?
thestringpuller: oh Argentina lol
asciilifeform: L-kansas.
nubbins`: now, if you're getting printed shit shipped to you, might as well go full-throttle, order up some mpex propaganda posters, get one of your staff to go around wheatpasting them in the financial district
davout: asciilifeform: lol
diametric: asciilifeform: my friend johnny is still interested, when I met with him in DC recently and he told me about his new pnp machine, said he was interested.
mircea_popescu: im not much interested in advertising on the street in argentina tho
diametric: asciilifeform: we could go visit it anytime as well.
diametric: Rather I should rephrase, I have a standing invite to visit ultimachine whenever I want, I could bring you with
nubbins`: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: diametric: neato. probably should get a quote first, don't wanna waste his time
nubbins`: street advertising is very effective with the right message
nubbins`: doesn't argentina have crazy capital controls?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: I want a shirt
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it does, yes.
mircea_popescu: effective, in what sense ?
nubbins`: thestringpuller:
nubbins`: ;;echo 25/[ticker --last]
gribble: 25/ 591.94
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: effective in that it can make people think about, or do, things they wouldn't otherwise
nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.0424448217317
nubbins`: thestringpuller: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
peterl: just got my first betbet refferal payment today
Vexual: didn't mp ask someone to poster wall st?
peterl: I wonder how much referal money I missed before the time thing got fixed?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: does that include shipping? I'm technically international
nubbins`: yep, shipping included
mircea_popescu: peterl how much was it ?
peterl: like 0.5 mB
mircea_popescu: and how long ago was it fixed ? coupla months ?
mircea_popescu: how long had you been advertising it ?
mircea_popescu: if you've not changed much just multiply those two
peterl: I think I started in January?
mircea_popescu: so like 1mb ?
peterl: yeah, scammer you all ripped me off! ;)
assbot: Michael Geist - Supreme Court Delivers Huge Victory for Internet Privacy & Blows Away Gov't Plans for Reform
Vexual: Adieu
nubbins`: "The court notes that ISPs are not required to disclose this information and this case reaches the conclusion that they are not permitted to do so absent a warrant either."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 95 @ 0.042 = 3.99 BTC
ThickAsThieves: get dat SHA
mircea_popescu: yay card design ready
nubbins`: let's take a peek!
assbot: If you’re one of the numerous Buenos Aires printing shops I’ll be harassing over the day pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: somehow i expected exactly this picture
ThickAsThieves: lol, pink or otherwise black paper
ThickAsThieves: that design is hideous
ThickAsThieves: ah it's all squished in your blog
nubbins`: art deco is the new modern
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wellyeah
asciilifeform: i'd use something readable for the fp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform its not readable ?
asciilifeform: say, c64 bitmap font
mircea_popescu: mthreat care to recommend a print shop that can print gold leaf/ink ?
davout: comic sans
ThickAsThieves: well at least you didnt use helvetica
mircea_popescu: how the hell is it not readable
mircea_popescu: these are like the most distinct glyphs ever
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's been the new modern since what, the 20s ?
mthreat: mircea_popescu: i don't know, haven't printed anything like biz cards yet here
davout: which 20s?
davout: :D
mthreat: the "8" looks like a snowman
mthreat: but i hope you go in asking for cunt-colored pink
mircea_popescu: howdo you even say cunt in this language
mthreat: i think the word is "concha" but i'd have to ask around
mthreat: as in "concha de tu madre"
mircea_popescu: color cono ?
nubbins`: Gotham would be a better font for a text-only card like this
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how;s it text only ?
nubbins`: glyphs only ;D
mircea_popescu: mthreat i think concha is polite, like cock.
mircea_popescu: we should go for "fuckstick" or stay home.
Mats_cd03: working on someone else's code _and_ having to learn a ui api is a pain in the ass
los_pantalones: rosado de cono
asciilifeform: fuckport.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.87529984 BTC to 8`768 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
mthreat: ah ya, looks like "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4f43a6b3445b9a5aa6bcf173034b7962187151aef339d6f4e604160b
mthreat: oops
mthreat: damn pbcopy
nubbins`: cañón salmón
nubbins`: billetera de jamon?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you want gold leaf, have these... pcb etched.
mircea_popescu: and so i go around with a bag for 100 cards?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: seriously. spec for thinnest flex-leaf pcb
asciilifeform: they'll be roughly the thichness of 2 or 3 ordinary cardboards.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: specifically not this
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: but it's so classy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform maybe you should spec for a pcb
mircea_popescu: S.NSA CTO
davout: buy buy buy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll stuff it in a gerber for you, if you can crank up the minimal line thickness to 0.2mm
xmj: ThickAsThieves: some company at EuroBSDcon last year had 3.5" floppies as 'business cards'
davout: has a fetch for old computers
davout: sell sell sell
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw cut cds at sdome point
asciilifeform: they're likely to cost ~$5 each, though.
asciilifeform: depending on where baked.
asciilifeform: no bag needed if you thread a rope through the holes.
benkay: uh oh, biglog
nubbins`: hang them on your belt
nubbins`: right next to your onions
mircea_popescu: and youyr trusted hammer
asciilifeform: not a bad way to cement a reputation for madness
asciilifeform wonders who the first bozo with scratch-off btc business cards will be
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: not bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00082276 = 24.6828 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.2215 = 0.886 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34343 @ 0.00081994 = 28.1592 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete lol note 7 makes it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 33 @ 0.0038 = 0.1254 BTC [-]
benkay: <kakobrekla> >I like NastyMining due to how open and honest they are...for BTC securities that is refreshing. Will my shares make me ROI?? Probably not, but I am still pleased with them. Look around in this section and go troll the real scammers...k thanks! // who is this?
benkay: mhm
benkay: ^^ wrong window
benkay: ah nm found it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2215 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.221 BTC [-]
Blazedout419: oh here we go
Blazedout419: he is trolling it
Blazedout419: benkay that was me
Blazedout419: gotta run though
benkay: HEY IDIOT COME BACK WE NEED TO NEEDLE YOU MORE
benkay: have a good day
Blazedout419: OK FLAME ME LATER
danielpbarron: ;;rated Blazedout419
gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun May 4 23:13:39 2014, with a rating of -1, and supplied these additional notes: doesn't understand the WoT; don't trust this user's ratings.
assbot: Search Engine DuckDuckGo Now Lets Users Check Bitcoin Balances
mike_c: ;;rate BingoBoingo 3 mpif manager, decent gambler, good blogger.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user BingoBoingo has been recorded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00081949 = 17.3732 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: decent gambler... nice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22013973 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00082345 = 27.0915 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07070707 = 0.3535 BTC [+]
nubbins`: oh god, this coffee
nubbins`: first decent cup i've had in months
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07070707 = 0.2828 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: devils come to tempt you: http://imgur.com/DaZyTPg,MfVbeHG,0tCxX1m#0
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
TheNewDeal: asciilifeform that was a sweet graphic
TheNewDeal: did you make that?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: aye. 5 minutes of wank
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: it's a snapshot of gerber mask. if he's crazy enough he could send this out for fab.
TheNewDeal: gerber mask?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: pcb photo positives
Naphex: hey o/
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 797 @ 0.00226585 = 1.8059 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: well he did say 'no you draw it'
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: rope (or keyring, whatever) through the borehole on upper left hand corner.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: he did say 'can anyone make gold leaf on black' - sure. now he can.
thestringpuller: nubbins`: you still here sorry I went to lunch I have the payment ready
nubbins`: yah, did you see the address?
nubbins` scrolls back
nubbins`: ;;calc 25/[ticker --last]
gribble: 0.0432226832642
nubbins`: ^ to 1TDaWh3MDibweoNaEjAAT8YHG3QmoBXqG
nubbins`: pm me size/address when you're ready
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 95 @ 0.02998722 = 2.8488 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22969 @ 0.00081805 = 18.7898 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 130.74760208 BTC to 77`492 shares, 168724 satoshi per share
decimation: "fluffypony: when decimation said "test" they weren't voiced, or was my client just being weird" << I actually sent "gpg unauth" to gribble before sending "test"
decimation: sorry if that messed with you, I was trying to see if I would be auto-kicked; apparently not
danielpbarron: nubbins`, I want one too!
danielpbarron: oh, NOW gribble messages me
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 580.78, Best ask: 580.99, Bid-ask spread: 0.21000, Last trade: 580.99, 24 hour volume: 36038.91241980, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 619.0, 24 hour vwap: 584.833373188
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.0708 = 1.2744 BTC [+]
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: i think gribs waits til you speak to deliver your messages
nubbins`: danielpbarron: got it, thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00081875 = 27.8375 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: benkay hahahahahahah
benkay: hey has anyone done any work estimating mining returns with infinite series?
benkay: monte carlo all the butts...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.0302497 = 0.3025 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00082088 = 20.9324 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00082242 = 16.2839 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 35 @ 0.03025 = 1.0588 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26676 @ 0.00081709 = 21.7967 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07079 = 0.2832 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8667 @ 0.00082367 = 7.1387 BTC [+] {2}
Blazedout419: [12:54pm] <+danielpbarron> ;;rated Blazedout419
Blazedout419: lol your ratings are a joke
Blazedout419: so far down my list
kakobrekla: o look
kakobrekla: its the forum investor
Blazedout419: ;;ratingsystem getrating danielpbarron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask danielpbarron!~dpb@c-71-232-150-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net . User danielpbarron, rated since Thu Mar 21 17:26:04 2013. Cumulative rating 14, from 19 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 4 negative. Sent ratings: 61 positive, 11 negative. Details: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=danielpbarron
Blazedout419: oh look I bought shares a year ago who cares
Blazedout419: a whopping 1.5 BTC worth
kakobrekla: skinkavaj is that you?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0708 = 1.416 BTC [+]
Blazedout419: no idea what that means
Blazedout419: what amazing service do you run
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
kakobrekla: indeed
Blazedout419: I just mine..not invest so
Blazedout419: I do like to keep an eye on this stuff though
mike_c: hah! get it? what AMAZING bot does kako run?
mike_c: aw. assbot fail. amazing.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
TomServo: ;;gettrust Blazedout419 assbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Blazedout419 to user assbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Blazedout419&dest=assbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=assbot | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 02:04:55 2014
kakobrekla: Blazedout419 you are barley making sense
kakobrekla: on the one hand you claim you are not an investor yet 'invested' only x amount
Blazedout419: 1 investment
kakobrekla: then that x amount barely counts as an investment
kakobrekla: so which is it
Blazedout419: 1.5 bitcoins
Blazedout419: I like to watch the securities though
Blazedout419: it amuses me how people keep buying them with the same result over and over
Blazedout419: Nasty is atleast honest
Blazedout419: unlike most of the ones I see
Blazedout419: like icedrill
Blazedout419: that is a train wreck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00082029 = 14.4781 BTC [-]
Blazedout419: how is nasty a scam...I must be dense to not see it
kakobrekla: you must be.
Blazedout419: enlighten the dumb folks
Blazedout419: so aka you just troll with no back up
Blazedout419: got it
Apocalyptic: i don't think kako's trolling
Blazedout419: then tell me why it is a scam
kakobrekla: tell me how is it not
Blazedout419: has it made good priofit = no
benkay: <kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 617 @ 0.00082238 = 0.5074 BTC [+]
Blazedout419: <+benkay> <kakobrekla> Blazedout419 you are barley making sense // wheat are you going on about
[]bot: Bet placed: 3.5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) Jan 2015 over $200 at any point in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/776/ Odds: 35(Y):65(N) by coin, 39(Y):61(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.48541412 BTC. Current weight: 64,854.
TheNewDeal: yuppp
Blazedout419: indeed
Namworld: Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought.
Namworld: Not sure about Nasty, no clue of the specifics.
benkay: did it roi at all?
Blazedout419: not for me
benkay: all i know is that ognasty was a hxc pirate shill
Blazedout419: but that does not make it a scam
benkay: ;;gettrust ognasty
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user ognasty: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=ognasty | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ognasty | Rated since: Sat Sep 1 22:15:19 2012
Blazedout419: everything is public with them
kakobrekla: ognasty is some retarded pothead with no clue about clue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0708 = 0.708 BTC [+]
Blazedout419: kakobrekla how is it a scam
benkay: who runs nastymining?
Blazedout419: not profitable yes scam = how?
kakobrekla: Blazedout419 exercise for alert reader.
Blazedout419: OgNasty does
danielpbarron: <+Blazedout419> lol your ratings are a joke << the reason I queried my rating of you was to show that I had given you a -1 long before it was discovered that you somehow had enough +1's to get voice in here (as in, not my fault)
Blazedout419: I am a good trader...why is it surprising
Blazedout419: I am honest
Namworld: Well could you all do me a favor and vote on this poll? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=650783.0
assbot: [POLL] Coinroll Color Scheme
danielpbarron: Blazedout419, because you are stupid, and stupid is generally not given voice in here
Blazedout419: go thump more bibles
kakobrekla: its true.
Blazedout419: yeah I am dumb because you say something is a scam with no proof
Blazedout419: just explain the scam part
Blazedout419: not asking for much here
danielpbarron: idk enough about this latest thing, but you are stupid because you don't understand the WoT (according to my rating)
Blazedout419: your rating carries 0 weight
TheNewDeal: oh my gosh. can't believe someone just bet both sides on the bastille day bet with a weight of like 150
danielpbarron: some of my -1s actually prevent users from having voice in here, so i wouldn't call that "0 weight"
Blazedout419: you just spam +1's for no reason
Blazedout419: anyways i do not care about you or your ratings
benkay: Blazedout419: it's a scam in the same way all mining things are scams.
benkay: buy also you're getting trolled hard.
benkay: but*
Blazedout419: indeed
Blazedout419: its just a non profitable mining
asciilifeform: ;;rate Blazedout419 -10 sp4mz0r
Blazedout419: not a scam
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Blazedout419 has been recorded.
Blazedout419: oh noes
Blazedout419: now that is a perfect example of someone who does not understand the WoT
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07018809 = 1.4739 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: nobody understands the wot ffs
benkay: it's got emergent behavior
benkay: actors and shit
benkay: 'agents'
Blazedout419: -10 for a convo he has nothing to do with
danielpbarron: he apparently doesn't trust you; I wouldn't go as far as to give a -10, but that's just me
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0698667 = 0.2096 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: Blazedout419: i assume asciilifeform wants to shut you up.
danielpbarron: need 2 more to -1 him :p
danielpbarron: the -10 is limited to a -1 because assbot only gave out +1s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0695 = 0.139 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07 = 1.47 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: lol, asciilifeform just picked up a few more enemies from the gaggle of -otc idiots
asciilifeform: ;;rate Ssateneth -10 sockmuppet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.
asciilifeform: ;;rate TheButterZone -10 sockmuppet
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user TheButterZone has been recorded.
danielpbarron: TBZ is like "nope i don't see it in -otc so it must not have happened"
benkay: who do S and T sock for?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00081644 = 5.7151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07 = 0.21 BTC [+]
benkay: or is this some advanced trolling that's miles above my head
pankkake: I hate those "cry to mommy" ratings
Blazedout419: i never said a word
Blazedout419: they saw ratings and sent back
danielpbarron: <+Ssateneth> he needs one more neg rate and he wont be able to rate people << is this true?
Blazedout419: all depends on your rating to nano
pankkake: now that's actual rating abuse
kakobrekla: lol well this is fun
danielpbarron: ;;gettrust nanotube asciilifeform
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask asciilifeform!~asciilife@pool-71-191-53-82.washdc.fios.verizon.net. Trust relationship from user nanotube to user asciilifeform: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nanotube&dest=asciilifeform | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=asciilifeform | Rated since: Sun Sep 15 00:06:51 2013
Apocalyptic: danielpbarron, some people have the power to prevent others from rating, yes
midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate.
Blazedout419: indeed
Blazedout419: i didnt even spam here is the silly part
Blazedout419: was asking 1 person about a forum post
Apocalyptic: midnightmagic, what's being evaluated is rating from someone in nano's direct trust
midnightmagic: yeah, nanotube never put much stock in L3 trust.
midnightmagic: So, L2 in buddy's case there.
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot Ssateneth
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Ssateneth!ident@unaffiliated/ssateneth. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Ssateneth: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Ssateneth | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Ssateneth | Rated since: Fri Jul 13 00:36:40 2012
assbot: Ssateneth +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
danielpbarron: ;;rated Ssateneth
gribble: You have not yet rated user Ssateneth
Blazedout419: !up Ssateneth
midnightmagic: Ah I'd forgottent hat syntax. Thanks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081643 = 25.5543 BTC [-]
Ssateneth: So what sort of shenanigans is going on in here.
Blazedout419: not much i got negrated for asking a question about a forum post is all
pankkake: so you rated asciilifeform without knowing?
Blazedout419: for abuse
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: but how did he know?
pankkake: isn't that, you know, abuse
Ssateneth: and saw a discussion. No samming. no flooding, nothing.
danielpbarron: Ssateneth, i'm pretty sure your rating was put in *before* i linked you to the -assets logs
Ssateneth: Just saw some random leave a -10 for "sp4mz0r" which, in itself, sounds ridiculous for a -10, especially with no solid proof in the rating.
Ssateneth: Then i checked to make sure it was unwarranted and I was correct.
danielpbarron: well if you weren't such a nobody, you'd know that asciilifeform is not "some random"
pankkake: I'm pretty sure organizing mass negrates is abusive behavior
Blazedout419: who organized anything
midnightmagic: just hug it out, everyone will feel better. :)
Blazedout419: they saw it and knew i dont spam
midnightmagic: +1 oxytocin
asciilifeform remembers turning on light in kitchen in old flat, middle of night, all the creepy crawlies came out
Ssateneth: I'm looking at the log though. I see a discussion abotu somethign about 1.5 BTC worth fo shares bought a year ago, and stuff about other securities being scams or not.
Blazedout419: whatever im over it...just dont ask in this chan I guess
danielpbarron: Ssateneth, what flies in -otc doesn't necessarily fly in -assets
Ssateneth: Then someone who wasnt even involved in the discussion comes out of nowhere and -10's with the reason "sp4mz0r" which in itself sounds pretty immature. If it was something like "Spamming in #bitcoin-assets: http://pastebin.com/blahblah" then I probably would have left it alone.
assbot: Pastebin.com Unknown Paste ID
asciilifeform: ;;rate Blazedout419 -10 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.
Apocalyptic: dat drama
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -10.
pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot Blazedout419
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Blazedout419!~Rogue@76-243-42-60.lightspeed.cntmoh.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Blazedout419: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 6 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Blazedout419 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Blazedout419 | Rated since: Sat May 18 17:05:13 2013
danielpbarron: it's easy to see who to blame ^
pankkake: doesn't change anything if you -10
asciilifeform: ;;rate Blazedout419 -1 spamming in #bitcoin-assets.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Blazedout419 has changed from -10 to -1.
Ssateneth: ;;unrate asciilifeform
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: pankkake: ty
asciilifeform: ;;unrate Ssateneth
Ssateneth: Thats more reasonable. I have no qualms with that.
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.
kakobrekla: well this worked out nice well. now just to get nubbins and Apocalyptic to unrate ;>
kakobrekla: nice and well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07 = 0.98 BTC [+]
Ssateneth: To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P
Apocalyptic: kako, you forgot nanotube too
Ssateneth: Anywho, take care, and stuff.
kakobrekla: we will!
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic afaik he just needs to lose 2
Apocalyptic: oh I may have a misconception about how assbot evaluates +v then
kakobrekla: l2 > 0
kakobrekla: or l1.
TomServo: looks like mrs tick ball on in the action too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07 = 0.28 BTC [+]
asciilifeform bares chest for firing squad
kakobrekla: dont worry ascii, its just paint guns.
jurov: gentlemen,
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: turdschmeissers
jurov: lol what i wanted to say?
kakobrekla: dunno?
mike_c: what you wanted to say was: ladies and gentlemen,
mike_c: boys and girls,
mike_c: children of ALL ages
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 10.12814390 BTC to 29`438 shares, 34405 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.02399982 = 0.672 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06999999 = 0.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20901 @ 0.00081881 = 17.1139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06999999 = 0.35 BTC [-]
jurov: kakobrekla i want to mass bitbet but it insists i nave to wait for 3 tries.. is there a way around?
jurov: can you, say, lift the limit if the payout address had seen some volume previously?
kakobrekla: wouldnt be much point if there would be a easy workaround
kakobrekla: i raised the limit now so you can do your thing
kakobrekla: but temporarily.
jurov: above proposal isn't exactly an easy workaround
jurov: thx
mike_c: i am confused (and curious). what limit are you bumping into? requesting pages?
kakobrekla: requesting deposit addresses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 22 @ 0.0500009 = 1.1 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: ah. what's a "3 tries"?
jurov: twas a brainfart
mike_c: you meant 3 minutes?
kakobrekla: 3 addresses per 45 sec
jurov: i wanted to write "i requested 3 bet addresses"
mike_c: ah, got it. ty.
jurov: i want to send all it in one tx
kakobrekla: several idiots made bots to pull as much addresses from bbet as possible
kakobrekla: but now when they see that simple limit, they stop
asciilifeform: usg cries
midnightmagic: that's.. lame.
midnightmagic: but it will bloat a wallet into oblivion..
kakobrekla: the funny part it is, it wont.
mike_c: you rate limit by ip?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9562 @ 0.00081917 = 7.8329 BTC [+]
mike_c: (unless you don't want to divulge sekurity measures)
midnightmagic: I have a 204MB wallet here that takes > 2min or so to boot up bitcoind on a 32-core server which seems to suggest it can be done.
midnightmagic: and then for looser evidence, "I" have a >2GB namecoin wallet which makes namecoin nearly unusable without modifying the source as there appears to be a race condition on ResendWalletTransactions()
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 74 @ 0.01501068 = 1.1108 BTC [-] {4}
midnightmagic: note: once booted, that bitcoin node with 200MB wallet will operate at full speed. so when I say "bloat it into oblivion" I'm referring to bootup times.
jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such
jurov: otherwise it just silently drops connections
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06999989 = 0.7 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: 200mb wallet, thats decent
kakobrekla: thats from some automated service or you did 200 megs of manual
kakobrekla: must be a lot of change :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0299 = 0.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32900 @ 0.00081631 = 26.8566 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: one of my oldest wallets from early 2011 has 6k txes and only 25megs
fluffypony: my Electrum wallet.dat is 102 bytes
fluffypony: oh well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 67 @ 0.06999999 = 4.69 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.024 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0709 = 0.709 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wait, there is a levorotary Kansas nao too? Qunatrill must have missed it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0709 = 1.2053 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: kakobrekla: i got what i needed, thx
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: well, if there's an r-kansas...
BingoBoingo: I just hope there isn't a dexkansas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07095 = 0.3548 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but why is the fingerprint over the name
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't. that's a 2-layer composite photo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: click the remaining 2
asciilifeform: (top, bottom)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19238 @ 0.00081658 = 15.7094 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i bought 1/4 kg of prosciutto from this woman that i don't think has ever sold more than 18 grams at a time
mircea_popescu: i also got a box of camembert. INDUSTRIA ARGENTINA
mircea_popescu: will do an unboxing later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.071 = 0.426 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.071 = 0.213 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.02419083 = 0.1451 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419: what amazing service do you run assbot:AMAZING COMPANY! << that was pretty cool lol
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: NOW we know what that was for. all these years...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.071 = 1.065 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07095 = 0.9933 BTC [-]
assbot: Blacklisted Bitcoins > Home
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In other news I found the turd that crashed firefox... Gnu Gnash. Firefox somehow installed it as it upgraded. Firefox now when I deign it to run, runs from jail.
asciilifeform: lolz, somebody actually uses gnash?
mike_c: somebody actually uses flash?
mike_c: i thought steve jobs outlawed that
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Apparently Nigbuntu bundled it with a firefox uprade.
asciilifeform: and they call us (folks who glue own linuxen from toothpicks in bottles) crazy.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: But all those classic games where the stick figures fight
BingoBoingo: I was insufficiently paranoid.
BingoBoingo wonders if he can get the lesser Mac, the Mac Classic online...
asciilifeform: 'Those who do not find time for exercise will have to find time for illness.'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.071 = 0.71 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I guess next week I build a linuxen from toothpicks and take another machine online...
kakobrekla: yeah i should do some exercise.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do yourself favour and use a box with an mmu (yes, abandon stone age, do bronze age at least)
BingoBoingo: I'll drink on that possiility this weekend.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.071 = 0.142 BTC [+] {2}
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 49k@143 175k@142 34k@140
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 11 @ 0.07545454 = 0.83 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: Iraq Gets International Help... From Iran - The Wire
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 581.64, Best ask: 582.62, Bid-ask spread: 0.98000, Last trade: 581.64, 24 hour volume: 31598.55053292, 24 hour low: 550.0, 24 hour high: 611.99, 24 hour vwap: 582.871423501
mircea_popescu: Namworld:
mircea_popescu: Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought. << the guy never said "give us some btc and in two years you can have 40 cents to the bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: if thjat were the proposition, then it'd have been just a dumb as fuck deal. even in that case, claiming it's not a scam is marginal, much in the way adding a nuclear device to your doorknob is endangerment, even if you think people shouldn't have fucked with the doorknob.
mircea_popescu: but all this is moot in the discussion at hand. nasty is some random dork and Blazedout419 is woefully uneducated. mpex is transparency, go read up on the corps that have been publishing their results each month for the past YEARS and so on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00082082 = 28.3183 BTC [+]
jurov: kako seems i broke bitbet twatter :D
mircea_popescu: ;;rate ognasty -1 pirate shill ; currently running a "security" that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: Namworld the original is always best.
Mats_cd03: does anyone want to buy my No stake in the spurs bet?
kakobrekla: jurov ?
kakobrekla: last bet matches what twitter sez
mircea_popescu: !up AlexWkz
jurov: kakobrekla: okay, they appeared now
assbot: BitBet - South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.27 B (51%) on Yes, 0.26 B (49%) on No | closing in 1 week 5 days | weight: 92`292 (100`000 to 10`000)
mircea_popescu: apparently soccer bets getting some traction
jurov giggles
kakobrekla: >As bitbet grows more popular, there SHOULD be a greater number of bets imo. And that includes sports.
kakobrekla: is this trolling?
jurov: no, RFC
mircea_popescu: prolly just cookies.
kakobrekla: generally i dont like cookies. too dry.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, and you're not dry yourself AT ALL
mircea_popescu: so this is quite understandable :D
kakobrekla: exactly.
mircea_popescu: wait i was being sarcastiq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Prolly the ultimatum brought some action. Ultimatum or not, I just can't care about any "competition" that usually ends in a draw and hugs for everybody.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Ssateneth -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.
kakobrekla: o shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell thebutterzone suppose you clear asciilifeform and that way i don't have to neg you too.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: you gonna make him come back!
kakobrekla: well everyone at this point.
kakobrekla: nvm, carry on.
mircea_popescu: cheeky the -otc derps. fucking periphery of the periphery, somehow they imagine themselves central and unique in that.
kakobrekla: well theres a whole charade goin on in #bitcoin-ratings :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.071 = 0.355 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate. << good thing they finally moved away from the total rating model, that was silly.
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 17 minutes and 4 seconds
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate Ssateneth
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mrstickball -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mrstickball has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: !up RainMan28
jurov: uh oh bitbet won't replace ref cookie unless user deletes it manually? pure evil
jurov: i just bought bingoboingo a beer or two
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0719 = 0.2876 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing << honestly i don't think so.
mircea_popescu: jurov why would it replace cookie tho ?
mircea_popescu: how you fight cookie stuffing if it did ?
BingoBoingo: ty jurov
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07199999 = 0.792 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Ssateneth:
mircea_popescu: To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P << maybe read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: i understand it's better this way, just venting
mircea_popescu: jurov: lol what i wanted to say? << jurov caught drunk in the logs ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2153 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249999 = 0.145 BTC [+]
pankkake: jurov: actually the ref cookie expires at session, I think
jurov hugs BingoBoingo, starts to sway and sing uneasily
jurov: pankkake: it must be persistent, i did not open his ref link today
mircea_popescu: jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such << yes that ;/
jurov: yes, it is, i tried
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.21053601 = 14.1059 BTC [-] {12}
jurov: hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain
BingoBoingo: Now I imagine everyone will check their cookies for the right cookies before betting.
kakobrekla: check you cookies before you wreck yourself.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors. << i'm not. too big (thick, bulky) for my taste.
BingoBoingo: ;;tslb
kakobrekla: but yeah jurov deleting would help
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aff is kinda intended for the peeps that don't even know there's something to check
gribble: Time since last block: 28 minutes and 16 seconds
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do those peeps still have coins they aren't buring on Mastersafe and stuff like that?
kakobrekla: <jurov> hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain < yeah at some point somebody will do something about that.
mircea_popescu: which peeps yu mean ?
jurov: that's gonna be my legacy. first b-a donation address, then this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07249999 = 0.2175 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: at least this time its not going to some schmuck
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The peeps pete wrote on today. The kind that just might have enough coin to BitBet but burn it because their WoTs are broke.
jurov: lol
kakobrekla: or is it!?
mircea_popescu: did i miss something !?
jurov: kako it went to booze
kakobrekla: vodka
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo they thyemselves do not. the unfortunate noobs that they try to buddy buddy however do.
kakobrekla: i guess.
BingoBoingo: jurov: No, this is incoming for the blog's sustainment fund.
kakobrekla: yeah, that is the vodka BingoBoingo .
jurov: we all know with what stuff is the blog sustained
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YMVM1.txt )
BingoBoingo: !up mdev
mdev: much thanks
mdev: since I was banned in #bitcoin, what's your guys thoughts on the ghash.io and the 51%?
BingoBoingo: Well, once this USG dumping is over hopefully come hosting time next year these contributions will go for a nice handle of something while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo
mdev: apparently they've had over 20% for awhile and even at that level they could have done some damage with double spend had they wanted
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0725 = 0.29 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mdev looked @ logs ?
BingoBoingo: mdev: Bitcoin is too valuable for ghash.io to do serious damage at 51% plus so long as miners are economically motivated...
mdev: bingo that's what I was thinking, plus they're a legit business in london
fluffypony: mdev: you got banned from #bitcoin?? lol
mdev: no reason to risk that
mdev: fluffy yeah a month ban
fluffypony: that's hilarious
mdev: that channel is so toxic, admins so incredibly abusive lol
fluffypony: let me guess...you dared to question someone?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah, you know, like Blazedout419 did here :D
BingoBoingo: mdev: Ghash fucks up, hopefully enough miners like money to flee.
pankkake: keep in mind 51% attack = 51% *attack*. bitcoin relies on the majority of miners being honest
mdev: I was having a disagreement about private companies being forced to disclose income, with various other users, and a bitcoin op stealth banned me(used a bot), for apparently a month
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah, and nobody banned him
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, no, he's actually clueless and a time waster
Apocalyptic: from what I gathered
pankkake: stealth ban = ban but the mod stays anonymous?
pankkake: like bitcointalk. wonderful. that's the tool of scammers.
mdev: I talked to another op in private about it, and lol...that channel is just not good with them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on
mdev: stealth ban yeah another mod had no idea who set it
assbot: Page Unavailable
pankkake: ;;gpg info mdev
gribble: No such user registered.
mircea_popescu: <mdev> them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on << you know this sounds like cheap copying -assets :D
pankkake: you should register
mdev: I been banned in there a lot, in the past some ops agreed the ban shouldn't have been set but didn't do anything to lift it!
mdev: where do I register again?
mdev: looked at your guys blog/site but was confusing
pankkake: with gribble
mircea_popescu: !up FlyDuch
assbot: BitFury Pulls 1PH/s of Mining Power from Ghash.io Amid Community Uproar
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lol what's that, 4% ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Prolly
mdev: bitcointalk btw has some of the same mods, at the very least gmaxwell is there
pankkake: also, remember when Deepbit was the big bad pool? reddit was all over it too
pankkake: ooh I like that schoolgirl
mircea_popescu: pankkake btc guild somehow never was the big bad guild
BingoBoingo: Pools rise and fall.
mdev: who controls gribble?
mircea_popescu: of these three, exactly one did a hardfork
mdev: seen him around
pankkake: mircea_popescu: oh no it was for a bit too
mircea_popescu: on reddit ? or here ?
pankkake: on reddit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.07263076 = 2.8326 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: x<BingoBoingo> Pools rise and fall. < thats true but its incredibly hard to start one these days
assbot: For the love of Bitcoin, Stop mining at BTC Guild! - They'll control the network if they reach +50% : Bitcoin
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Well starting a pools takes a lot of coin which really limits the number of people who can do it.
mdev: how can btc guild control 50% if ghash.io already controls 51%?
BingoBoingo: mdev: Ancient history.
mdev: oh
kakobrekla: prolly better to own gear than coin in such case.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla why ?
kakobrekla: cause pps is dead long ago
assbot: To all of the deepbit whiners.
mircea_popescu: pankkake aite, you got a point
BingoBoingo: mdev: It's why going back in the logs and the older parts of the forum is valuable. Many of these things happened before.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla talk to me like im 5
mircea_popescu: which i am.
kakobrekla: pay per share
kakobrekla: that model is no longer feasible
mdev: BingoBoingo that's an interesting point, and bitcoin is still standing
mdev: so is a non-issue
mircea_popescu: why not ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0728 = 0.5096 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: mdev: Ideally it is a self correcting issue.
mdev: if ghash abuses everyone will know and they'll be done, they don't control the users hardware anyway
mircea_popescu: i thought the earlier 200 btc scandal was over pps
kakobrekla: now everyone is on rounds that last x of time
kakobrekla: and then spread the blocks found over x rounds
kakobrekla: prevents hopping and such.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.0729909 = 4.0145 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: pps is too dangerous imho.
mdev: why
mircea_popescu: o that mixed system, ok.
pankkake: the difference with ghash.io is that most of their hashrate is also controlled by them
pankkake: the solution would be to stop buying that crap cloud mining!
mircea_popescu: pankkake and not yet amortised.
kakobrekla: so if you dont find block your payouts will still be too irregular and you cant do pps
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07399248 = 2.2198 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: pankkake but derps want to be part of it EASILY
pankkake: what do you mean? they sell it to users, probably at a loss (for the users)
mircea_popescu: of course they sell it at aloss to the users
kakobrekla: how else would they be 50%
mircea_popescu: how else would they sell it lol
kakobrekla: if not selling such bs.
pankkake: so I don't understand "not yet amortised"
mircea_popescu: the gear they use to mine is not yet paid for.
kakobrekla: isnt it amortized as soon as its sold
kakobrekla: they dont have to buy it back
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 108 @ 0.07399993 = 7.992 BTC [+] {3}
Dimsler: kakobrekla, so what if ghash has majority steak
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the gear they sold is sold. i thought he meant sold hashes, ie, rented gear
kakobrekla: they sell you 'vrtual chips'
Dimsler: how the hell does that matter
Dimsler: what are they going to do?
kakobrekla: which then you trade on the market
kakobrekla: so once you buy that shit, they are out
kakobrekla: just picking the fees.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07400199 = 0.37 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ok, but you understand the cost for 50% of the hash is like... 2 to 500k btc
mircea_popescu: they've sold "virtual chips" to forum derps for 500-1k btc
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: what of it
kakobrekla: im not arguing anything here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0747 = 0.747 BTC [+]
assbot: #bitcoin-otc
pankkake: mdev: nanotube
mdev: dang you guys really invested in #bitcoin stuff huh
mdev: same bot, same tech, same owners stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00081945 = 15.6925 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mdev there's a world out there made of agglomerated shitheads, who imagine themselves innovators and revolutionaries, but in practice live out of not-invented-here syndrome and bad pr.
mircea_popescu: the world in here is quite opposite. if someone does something well everyone breathes a sigh of relief and uses it.
FlyDuch: guys can i sell btc for ltc here
mircea_popescu: because life's too short to re-do all the shit all the time
pankkake: !down FlyDuch
mircea_popescu: FlyDuch if you can find someone who cares to
mircea_popescu: !up FlyDuch
mircea_popescu: best use gribble's sale function.
mdev: just putting a lot of trust in nanotube, i've never seen really the guy talk but I think he owns gribble as well, and is founder of #bitcoin as well
mircea_popescu: he's trustworthy.
pankkake: I don't trust him, and I backup the otc db :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0747 = 1.1205 BTC [+]
fluffypony: FlyDuch: #bitcoin-otc is probably a better venue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07478 = 0.3739 BTC [+]
pankkake: FlyDuch: why wouldn't you use one of the many exchanges to do that?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16900 @ 0.00081944 = 13.8485 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: he's a scammer probably
pankkake: yes, but since he was !uped back, I'm biting :)
Apocalyptic: I guess mircea is running low on entertainment tonight :)
mircea_popescu: i'm just reactively tolerant
mircea_popescu: the truth of the matter is that i don't have an actual personality, i just do the opposite of what y'all are doing.
mircea_popescu: so if you're all drama llamas i'ma just be mellow.
kakobrekla: basically he thinks we are dumb.
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
kakobrekla: well if you are doing the opposite of something you prolly are not in agreement with it
pankkake: !up mdev
mdev: ty
mircea_popescu: or maybe i just like living interesting times.
kakobrekla: maybe. or the other thing.
mircea_popescu: generally, i rarely think someone is as smart as they think themselves. similarly, i rarely think someone is as dumb as they think themselves. so there :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23979 @ 0.00081833 = 19.6227 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate mrstickball
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for mrstickball.
kakobrekla: ok. i could go on but i rather wont. :)
mircea_popescu: lol that asciilifeform - Blazedout419 situation de-escalated quickly.
kakobrekla: is it over nao?
mircea_popescu: you know, back in the 2011 days something like this'd have raged for a week
mircea_popescu: i think wot has come a lengthy road.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla pretty much
TheButterZone: ;;rated asciilifeform
gribble: You have not yet rated user asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: hey there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nao you unrate TheButterZone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0745 = 0.6705 BTC [-]
Blazedout419: it was never a situtation really
Blazedout419: he just neg rated me for who only knows why
Blazedout419: I was just asking a few questions...then it got crazy in here :p
mircea_popescu: Blazedout419 it was honestly undistinguishable from trollage you gotta appreciate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07478 = 0.2991 BTC [+]
Blazedout419: Well sorry if it came off that way, but that is the first time i have ever been called a troll
Blazedout419: I was talking to kakobrekla anyways not asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: which is why i was so weirded out.
Blazedout419: random -10
Blazedout419: lol maybe he is having a bad day...dunno
mircea_popescu: you ever seen reservoir dogs ?
Blazedout419: why do i have to be mr pink?
mircea_popescu: pretty much somethging like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.0749648 = 4.0481 BTC [+] {6}
Blazedout419: fair enough
mircea_popescu: "Joe: No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down. No way. I pick. You're Mr. Pink. Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11750 @ 0.00082104 = 9.6472 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Hall of Shame: Vote for your Favorite Worst Crypto-CEO's Ever!!
mircea_popescu: i would hope mpoe-pr is in there ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 111 @ 0.07456196 = 8.2764 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: wtf is btcquick again ?
fluffypony: ascension
fluffypony: jerrod something or other
fluffypony: this Mimex listing confuses me
fluffypony: they list a developer under their "management team"
fluffypony: what is he managing?
fluffypony: also, how can they have a PR person on Bitcointalk without said PR person also being listed in their "management team" alongside the developer?
mircea_popescu: pr isn't management is it
fluffypony: neither is "developer"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 120 @ 0.07036589 = 8.4439 BTC [-] {5}
fluffypony: the "lead developer" maybe, by some definition of management I'm unfamiliar with
mircea_popescu: i suppose if you have a tech run a team of techs he's technically management now
mircea_popescu: sorta like the ex surgeon now hospital director
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0739998 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.02419499 = 0.2419 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.08 = 0.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51845 @ 0.00082224 = 42.629 BTC [+] {4}
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benkay: ;;rate ognasty -1 pirate/BCST shill
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0202 = 0.101 BTC [+]
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benkay: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user benkay to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 19 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
mike_c: dumb question: is there any way to cryptographically prove you signed something on a certain date.
mircea_popescu: mike_c include the date.
mike_c: but i could sign something today with june 1st in it.
mike_c: i don't think there is, but thought i'd ask to make sure i wasn't missing some clever trick.
mircea_popescu: sure there's plenty depending what you want.
mircea_popescu: if you want to declare the date being x, include the date.
mircea_popescu: if you want to prove the date is no earlier than X, include a block hash say.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.075 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 8 @ 0.042 = 0.336 BTC
fluffypony: do it old school
mike_c: yeah, that works going that way. i need to go the other though.
fluffypony: selfie of you holding the newspaper for that day
mircea_popescu: Block #305659 Hash0000000000000000118b4c104bd3cdf62ddcbcfdcb66af97aadff2116e86a842 could not be known pre 2014-06-13 23:ish
mike_c: like, i want to be able to say today "here is proof that I signed this on June 1st, not June 13th"
mircea_popescu: to prove you signed it no later than X, publish it on the record date.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 190 @ 0.002 = 0.38 BTC
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fluffypony: !up mdev
mdev: thankyou!
mdev: but yeah as other have said the problem with date is you can set it to what you want, so only way to confirm the date is used a 3rd party someone trusts
mdev: or various I suppose
mike_c: ah, so, like stuff something in the blockchain
fluffypony: mike_c: that's the other option
mircea_popescu: mike_c blockchain, here, whatever.
fluffypony: or pastebin
mdev: bitcoin trusts no ones date, they don't use dates they use difficulty I think
mircea_popescu: your blog for that matter.
mdev: and try and average solving to 10 minutes
fluffypony: dependent on your penchance for risk
fluffypony: !down mdev
mdev: even though it's gone over an hour before...
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fluffypony: mike_c: what sort of longevity do you need on it?
kakobrekla: are you thinking carbon dating?
mike_c: well, basically what i said. i want to be able to say "here's the signed statement. here is incontravertible proof i have not mucked with it since XX date"
fluffypony: [01:15:01] mdev: your abuse won't be tolerated
fluffypony: mike_c: pastebin it (pastebin keeps the date) + dump the signature here
fluffypony: even if pastebin disappears you have a copy, and the signature can be verified by any of us that keep logs
mike_c: log.b-a or my blog still requires trust. blockchain doesn't, but i'm not a fan of abusing chain for this kind of stuff. pastebin i guess works. nobody would believe they were in on the scamz.
fluffypony: yeah but you forget
fluffypony: log.b-a isn't the only log
fluffypony: I log, and I'm sure dozens of others do
kakobrekla: theres the way-back-machine
kakobrekla: you can prolly leverage that
fluffypony: oh yes good point kakobrekla - you can add a link to archive.org on a particular date
mike_c: that thing still works? impressive.
mircea_popescu: still requires trusty
mircea_popescu: the thing is, the hardcore future problem is not resolvable, as entropy only goes one way
mircea_popescu: and so information accumulates.
fluffypony: mike_c: upload it to Maidsafe!
mircea_popescu: you can prove you know something and so establish it one way, but you can't prove you didn't know something.
mike_c: not 100% resolvable, but blockchain stuffing comes close.
mircea_popescu: actually stuffing it here is probably better.
mircea_popescu: blocks reorg. how do you know you won't end up on a dead chain
kakobrekla: you wait 6 confs.
mike_c: the thing is, it depends who you are "proving" to. since i am a b-a lackey, clearly i could get the logs mucked with. and nobody is going to care that fluffypony's copy agrees with it.
fluffypony: yeah I suppose
fluffypony: you could've paid us all
mircea_popescu: it's on the web lol.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, since you're in bitcoin, clearly you could have the blockchain mucked.
mike_c: true. i do own ghash.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the problem as stated is unresolvable. as the future includes the past, you can't by yourself prove you were anterior to a point. only ulteriority can be proven that hardcore
asciilifeform: ;;unrate TheButterZone
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for TheButterZone.
mircea_popescu: which incidentally coallesces into a very strong attack on IP
mike_c: yes, you can only provide evidence, not proof.
mircea_popescu: and also explains history.
mircea_popescu: the original impetuus driving herodotus was his own identity.
mircea_popescu: namely, proving he was there by including descriptions of events, which establishes his presence.
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/eligius-please-pay-my-200-btc.328351 << dude the amateur law&order bullshit going on in that thread is beyond the pale.
assbot: ==== Eligius, please pay my 200+ BTC ==== | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: if your average us citizen got to run as much as a chicken coop... woe on those chickens.
mircea_popescu: "Yeah. I was just kind of wondering how much trouble it could cause if hundreds of people internationally started contacting his government demanding action to investigate his bitcoin involvement and possible unethical activities."
mircea_popescu: this would be your random shitstain wanting to be "anonymous".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: too big (thick, bulky) for my taste << thought was, use elastomer, 0.4mm or so. but, sure, it'd be an amazing waste.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform wouldn't, but likes carrying thought experiments to logical conclusion.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform paper is a tenth that.
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assbot: Nein! - Imgur
mike_c: !up mdev
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.075 = 2.1 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol
asciilifeform couldn't resist
mircea_popescu: ;;calc .4 / .34
gribble: 1.17647058824
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assbot: Brian Hyland - Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini - YouTube
asciilifeform: incidentally 'mitutoyo' makes a perfectly acceptable Schtangen-zirkul.
mircea_popescu: zirkel ?
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asciilifeform: even comes with calibration certs
asciilifeform: (how many consumer widgets do?)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0755 = 0.906 BTC [+] {2}
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benkay: !up mdev
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kakobrekla: he got pissed how this nanotube challenge is stupid, life is unfair and blah blah
kakobrekla: ragequit.
benkay: who, mdev?
teward: he got banned for those antics in other channels, if my memory serves me right...
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teward: (he as in mdev)
asciilifeform: challenge?
kakobrekla: his words.
kakobrekla: <mdev>you should remove the !up thing, it's an annoying system
kakobrekla: <mdev>you're giving everyone with voice the ability to up/down voice everyone who hasn't gone through the nanotube challenge
kakobrekla: thar.
teward: the 'nanotube challenge'... he's talking about the OTC auth system isn't he...
kakobrekla: shit, even Blazedout419 made it...
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atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 235 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3kwpQbVHBo << illustrated.
assbot: Capacitor Welder - Battery tab Welder part 1-2 - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: phun phact: when the seekrit skvirrels in wash. dc weld the manholes shut prior to Führer-motorcade, they just spot-weld little tabs.
asciilifeform: (how i know? they don't always remember to... take them off.)
asciilifeform didn't believe the legend of them actually doing this, until seeing the tabs. they look like pull tabs from soda cans.
assbot: Opinion analysis: The triumph of the Lanham Act (and of federal private rights of action) : SCOTUSblog
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asciilifeform: ^ turns out they used to do proper welds?
mircea_popescu: i dunno what the fuss is all about
mircea_popescu: so someone kills the president. big deal, bout 50mn unemployed lawyers ready to take over
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: imponade.
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asciilifeform: ;;google imponator imponade
gribble: Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: <http://www.loper-os.org/?p=165>; fogus: The iPad as the Ultimate Imponator: <http://blog.fogus.me/2010/04/18/the-ipad-as-the-ultimate-imponator/>; Erik Naggum - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Erik_Naggum>
asciilifeform: (it's dumb, of course. a shaped-charge would plasma-jet through the cover, like butter.)
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mircea_popescu: lol top ofthe stack
asciilifeform: it gets rather annoying.
asciilifeform: almost like inhabiting some sort of solipsist hell
mircea_popescu: well what else is paradise.
mircea_popescu: "something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won’t be as skilled or even as smart — what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes she
mircea_popescu: er need as the motivation to enter the field. second, an unskilled labor force will want job security more than intellectual challenges (to some the very antithesis of job security). third, managing an unskilled labor force means easy access to people who are skilled in whatever is needed right now, not an investment in people — which leads to the conclusion that a programmer is only as valuable as his ability to get
mircea_popescu: another job fast. fourth, when mass markets develop, pluralism suffers the most — there is no longer a concept of healthy participants: people become concerned with the individual “winner”, and instead of people being good at whatever they are doing and proud of that, they will want to flock around the winner to share some of the glory."
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mircea_popescu: the issues of "entrepreneurship" as practiced by the circus could not be better described.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, this is genius : writing things that are correct as you write them, and then stay correct as later readers apply them to circumstances you could not have foreseen.
mircea_popescu: this is what makes shakespeare relevant, today as in his time. this is also what makes marc andreessen irrelevant today, and permanently.
benkay: we were talking about this in the context of programming user interfaces earlier today. "programmers are just so resistant to formalizing and writing down their problems, preferring instead to just hack at their computers until the have something that sort of works".
benkay: "well of course! there's no IDE for pencil and paper."
asciilifeform: whatever else could be said about herr naggum - the man had actual thoughts.
asciilifeform: and he dealt with problems that are rather familiar to us, if superficially unrelated.
mircea_popescu: the problems of democracy.
asciilifeform: lol re: lever lock keys
asciilifeform: soviet import?
mircea_popescu: they prolly bought the machines
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asciilifeform: funny part is, betcha no one alive remembers how to pick these.
mircea_popescu: im sure here they do
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asciilifeform: experience not so different from tasting WD-40 << mircea_popescu clearly tasted the local 'cheese' in usa
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0775 = 3.875 BTC [+]
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dignork: asciilifeform: do you see a problem with usb-to-usb gadget which will make usb guest read-only?
dignork: it seems rather trivial gadget, but i've never seen it implemented so far
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asciilifeform: dignork: it's a useful gadget. i have one.
asciilifeform: gotta implement the mass storage command stack on both ends - a bit of a bitch
dignork: asciilifeform: bought it or built it?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.0812 = 2.1924 BTC [+]
dignork: might be a nice additional product for S.NSA imho
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asciilifeform: dignork: cardano comes with wp dip
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asciilifeform: i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has.
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asciilifeform: for those who don't - many (traditional spindle) drives still have wp jumpers. bring it out to a toggle.
dignork: asciilifeform: i understand the implementation complexity (not too bad), and just wonder how come it's not a marketed thing.
asciilifeform: there are really not many applications that will behave well with this.
asciilifeform: (try booting any os - not patched for this purpose - from a wp'd disk, see what i mean here)
asciilifeform: incidentally, there are commercial incarnations of this. used by official disk diddlers:
asciilifeform: ;;google write blocker
gribble: Computer Forensics Write Blockers - Digital Intelligence: <http://www.digitalintelligence.com/forensicwriteblockers.php>; Write Blockers - Forensics Wiki: <http://www.forensicswiki.org/wiki/Write_Blockers>; Forensic disk controller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forensic_disk_controller>
dignork: but there is much more common use-case, gave a usb disk to colleague to copy a movie w.e, now i need to reformat it...
asciilifeform: sha256sum /dev/sdwhateverthefuck > hash.txt
dignork: or this
asciilifeform: a more interesting fact is that, if you open a consumer usb turd that has a wp toggle, it is - afaik - never connected to the flash rom proper
asciilifeform: but to the microcontroller, which gives os (winblows naturally) an ignorable 'pretty please don't write.'
asciilifeform: (why? ask the folks responsible, not me...)
dignork: cheaper than to add usb-to-usb host with additional logic
asciilifeform: no need to add another micro
asciilifeform: every flash rom comes with a 'we' pin
dignork: re: booting, if gizmo emulates CD-ROM it might work
asciilifeform: dignork: sandisk used to make a line of usb micros called 's3', that had this feature
asciilifeform: no longer sold
asciilifeform: but they're still common
asciilifeform: strike that
assbot: u3_tool - Tool for controlling U3 drives
dignork: U3 had wp? I had one, no switch
dignork: no hardware switch i mean
asciilifeform: no switch. but has magic partition that enumerates as cdrom
asciilifeform: writeable with that tool only
asciilifeform: so, not really hardware wp. kernel level turd can (and will) diddle an u3 partition
asciilifeform: but for 'civilian' use, adequate
asciilifeform: afaik, u3 was phased out because win-xp will autorun any volume that mounts as optical disk, to this day.
asciilifeform: i've a 'you could have been owned' stick i like to lend to xp users.
asciilifeform: (pops up happy box)
asciilifeform: it, incidentally, isn't a u3 stick. but a much earlier (circa '03?) chipset for which i found docs
asciilifeform: likewise enumerates as optical disk.
dignork: neat, it had password protection
asciilifeform: good gift for folks contemplating but not yet escaped from microshit.
asciilifeform: for the innocent: most usb flash drives have reprogrammable micros, with various amounts of code space.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0203299 = 0.1626 BTC [+]
davout: "The first thing they could do would be to double-spend already confirmed transactions. For example, they could send some bitcoins to an exchange, trade them for dollars, wire the dollars to their bank account, and then announce a longer blockchain where the transfer to the exchange never happened. Now they have dollars and bitcoins." <<< such braindamage
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation
davout: oh shit, it's actually the second part that's retarded
davout: "There are some practical problems with carrying out that attack, though. They are likely to get caught, because it is impossible to wire money to a bank account anonymously. It seems very likely they would find themselves in legal trouble for defrauding the exchange."
dub: I like the css on that page, makes the blue hyperlink text not actually be a link
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nubbins`: what's all this about me unrating
nubbins`: oh, Blazedout419
nubbins`: ;;rated Blazedout419
gribble: You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.
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asciilifeform: unrelated to anything whatsoever: http://lamat.me
assbot: Lamat - Log
assbot: Breathing Dildo
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assbot: Measurement of changes of relative time density - Blog of Aleksey Zaitsevsky
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asciilifeform: that one's classic, tried it myself
asciilifeform: (same neg result)
asciilifeform: 'Was born in february of 1979 in city Kiev (the USSR), grew disobedient. Favourite toys: designer's sets and matches.'
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mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has. << not so.
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mircea_popescu: !up jeff___
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i eventually found out - device in its simplest form (simply deny write) - is commercially available (if expensive, for reasons of golden toilet.)
mircea_popescu: re davout's link , "take the time to run bitcoind and p2pool." << running any recent bitcoind is much worse for bitcoin than mining on ghash
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mircea_popescu: yea well.
mircea_popescu: davout but that aside i dun see much problem with it. gavin is copying the sec, hard to find fault even should you be so inclined.
assbot: Cheap and Effective USB Write Blocker
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asciilifeform: hence 'everybody who wants, has'
asciilifeform: just have to want enough.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0301997 = 0.3624 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: well these are not the same.
mircea_popescu: every horny teenager has a harem
mircea_popescu: they only have to... want enough ?
asciilifeform: unlike gurlz, widgets don't wiggle away if you're inept. persistence can substitute for talent in the case of trivial problem, hence the existence of 'instructables', 'make', et al.
asciilifeform checks inventory. no harem, but plenty of custom gizmos of every variety.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but 'everybody who wants, has' ; 'just have to want enough'. ergo, not everyone who wants has.
asciilifeform: should've been more specific - yes
asciilifeform: picture if you could crib harem source code.
asciilifeform: (betcha there'd still be annoying buggers who 'bah, it won't build!')
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mircea_popescu: betcha there'd be just the same folks as today for whom itwon't build.
mircea_popescu: o holy shit.
mircea_popescu: ;;google just power cycle machine no idea going on
gribble: “You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2014/you-cannot-fix-a-machine-by-just-power-cycling-it-with-no-understanding-of-what-is-going-wrong/>; Why won't my perpetual motion machine work?: <https://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/themes/whynot.htm>; Reviews of Cycling Science | cycling science: <http://cyclingandscience.com (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ok. do i need to say any more ?
asciilifeform would build.
assbot: Some AI Koans
asciilifeform: i think everybody alive knows that tale
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07489999 = 1.8725 BTC [-]
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mircea_popescu: meanwhile google thinks it's mine.
mircea_popescu: 1 and 2 in serp.
mircea_popescu: this is why never to trust google as an arbiter of relevancy.
assbot: tom knight keyboard - Google Search
asciilifeform: wrong knight...
asciilifeform: the latter (smbx) keyboards were castratos compared to knight's
asciilifeform: (pictured here - not mine, though i own both - http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics1.jpg)
assbot: 404 Not Found
asciilifeform: ^ lol, loads fine here
mircea_popescu: the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.
mircea_popescu: So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the “elite” that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word “exist” derives from “to step forth, to stand out”.
mircea_popescu: i like naggum.
asciilifeform doing his best to help zombie-naggum keep walking, since '10.
mircea_popescu: guy shoulda definitely been more of a narcisist.
mircea_popescu: "the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.
mircea_popescu: So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the “elite” that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word “exist” derives from “to step forth, to stand out”." << this, incidentally, is why the same splooge tries to
mircea_popescu: discourage exceptional people from vanity.
asciilifeform: hah, he was despised by half of c.l.l. for 'self-important prick'
mircea_popescu: so that they stupidly kill themselves, a la naggum.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't he die of neglected ulcer ?
mircea_popescu: that's not narcisism.
mircea_popescu: hypochondria is narcisism.
asciilifeform: but hell only knows, he had other reasons to waste away than the idiots and their blather. dumped his girl shortly before found dead, too (her blog is linked somewhere in there)
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