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TheNewDeal: can someone help me decipher this image http://bitcoin.sipa.be/growth-10k.png
Vexual: lol indeed
Vexual: how do you want it?
TheNewDeal: how does one calculate a %/day of the network
Vexual: from a picture?
TheNewDeal: give me a sample calculation, with some generic variables
TheNewDeal: like hashrateRightnow/hashrate24hrsago?
Vexual: tends to 1
Vexual: the other way is zero
TheNewDeal: lets say we have a 1 %/day growth rate over a period of 13 days
Vexual: the graph usually comes later,what u wanna do?
TheNewDeal: how much has the network grown
TheNewDeal: 1.01^13?
TheNewDeal: I'm looking at difficulty predictions and want to know what this graph can tell me
Vexual: why?
TheNewDeal: bitbet of course
Vexual: link to bet?
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin incremental difficulty to increase by 3B or more :: 0.49 B (39%) on Yes, 0.77 B (61%) on No | closing in 3 months 6 days | weight: 56`015 (100`000 to 6`000)
assbot: BitBet - BTC network hashrate will exceed 1 Exahash/s before 2015 :: 2.28 B (35%) on Yes, 4.29 B (65%) on No | closing in 5 months 4 weeks | weight: 57`534 (100`000 to 5`000)
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin network difficulty > 14Bn on Bastille day :: 112.59 B (85%) on Yes, 19.55 B (15%) on No | closing in 1 week 19 hours | weight: 4`539 (100`000 to 1)
TheNewDeal: there's too many
TheNewDeal: let's pick the closest to resolution, the last one
Vexual: one off the top ok
TheNewDeal: mmkay
Vexual: continue
TheNewDeal: if the network hovers at let's say, 1.1 %/day growth, what will be the hash rate on October 1st
Vexual: syntax error
Vexual: repeat the question
TheNewDeal: if the network growth rate is 1.1%, how long will it take to find 2016 blocks?
TheNewDeal: 1.1%/day
Vexual: thats wronger
TheNewDeal: if the hashrate over the last 512 blocks averages 87,961,249 GH/s, what will be the hashrate tomorrow, assuming the growth rate was equal to that of the last 14-day period
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19750 @ 0.00086126 = 17.0099 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Iggy Pop - The Passenger - YouTube
TheNewDeal: are you a bot?
TheNewDeal: ;;gettrust assbot Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: ty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00086116 = 9.5589 BTC [-] {2}
TheNewDeal: !down Vexual
TheNewDeal: !up Vexual
TheNewDeal: BingoBoingo, can you explain a hashrate graph?
BingoBoingo: Not well
TheNewDeal: better than vexual?
Vexual: i told u wait and see cock knocker
BingoBoingo: WHo knows?
Vexual: they eyes have it
TheNewDeal: wait and see what?
Vexual: bet or don't
TheNewDeal: I have already bet
TheNewDeal: I would like to have an educated bet, backed with some numbers, instead of going with a gut feeling
BingoBoingo: Well, the bastile day bet is looking increasingly like diff will make it, but I bet no a while a go
TheNewDeal: i've got about 5.5 riding on yes
TheNewDeal: i'm wondering why someone laid down 6 on No, betting about a day apart. They lost 13% of the timeweight they would have had if they would have wagered it all at once
Vexual: prolly a human
TheNewDeal: I'm wondering what made them conclude "I should bet on No", other than the fact that the payout was 2:1
assbot: "Empire State of Mind" JAY Z | Alicia Keys [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube
TheNewDeal: I'm trying to figure out what type of growth rates are required for 12 and 13 day difficulty changes. I can't do it
Vexual: work out what betting on yes pays
Vexual: or survey me
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (1.5999*41+4*33)/2396
gribble: 0.0824690734558
BingoBoingo: Well, payout was much better when I put one down on No
TheNewDeal: ;;calc (1.5999*41+4*33)/2396*19.55
gribble: 1.61227038606
TheNewDeal: that's my take, minus the fees
TheNewDeal: when I was betting, it was about a 12% (constant) difficulty increase that would make it happen
TheNewDeal: but the last difficulty change was going to be questionable
Vexual: howmany bitbets have paid yes?
assbot: BitBet - Block 315k mined on or before July 28th :: 0.44 B (5%) on Yes, 8.39 B (95%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 25`709 (100`000 to 5`000)
TheNewDeal: not concerned about script, only betting BTC
TheNewDeal: -i +y
TheNewDeal: the network would have to pump out blocks like 15% faster over the next 10,000 for that block 315k to be yes
Vexual: one million corea!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21617 @ 0.00086233 = 18.641 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00086284 = 8.3695 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 19 @ 0.0240001 = 0.456 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.00379 = 0.1137 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00086096 = 5.424 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.0008607 = 2.0657 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00086043 = 20.7364 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.072 = 0.576 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0711 = 0.1422 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0028802 = 0.288 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0240001 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.024 = 0.216 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 233 @ 0.00052801 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.0028003 = 0.2716 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0237 = 0.1896 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 36 @ 0.02991105 = 1.0768 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02333336 = 0.14 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 9 @ 0.02991094 = 0.2692 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0211888 = 0.1059 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299997 = 0.511 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.27770001 = 0.8331 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07299977 = 0.511 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.27157522 = 2.4442 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 170 @ 0.00272565 = 0.4634 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 194 @ 0.00271382 = 0.5265 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16413 @ 0.00086118 = 14.1345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.26500006 = 0.795 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.263213 = 0.5264 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2612 = 0.5224 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612002 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 96 @ 0.00271 = 0.2602 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2612 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67150 @ 0.0008602 = 57.7624 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00085919 = 2.4057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2569 @ 0.00085873 = 2.2061 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299997 = 0.146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.02991111 = 0.5982 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.29890235 = 1.1956 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2996998 = 0.5994 BTC [+]
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
punkman: http://www.salon.com/2014/06/03/the_day_i_left_my_son_in_the_car/ << if you you let your kids grow up in murica, you are endangering them and I'm gonna report you to the international court of bad parenting
assbot: The day I left my son in the car - Salon.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2996998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2996998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07100021 = 1.42 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.3 = 1.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.304 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07299968 = 1.533 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07306328 = 0.4384 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14882 @ 0.00086138 = 12.8191 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07318999 = 0.3659 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.30131999 = 1.5066 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.29607554 = 0.8882 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.28015005 = 0.5603 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17650 @ 0.00086211 = 15.2162 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28010005 = 1.1204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2801001 = 0.5602 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10228 @ 0.00086055 = 8.8017 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0243942 = 0.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213693 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
assbot: Harvard confirms century-old book is covered in human skin | The Verge
pankkake: !up mdev
pankkake: !up mdev
mdev: <3 thanks man
kakobrekla: did you register for the world of tanks mdev'
mdev: haven't yet no
kakobrekla: the best time to do it is today
punkman: *yesterday
kakobrekla: yeah but we are out of time machines
punkman: I have a spare one, only 2 BTC and free shipping
kakobrekla: thats a steal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.03 = 0.12 BTC [+]
mdev: be on the lookout for that promo site scammer
mdev: doubt he'd be able to do much in here, but he's been quite active in other cryptocoin chans i'm in
mdev: he may try and make nice nice to get voice then drop his link
fluffypony: promo site scammer?
mdev: he links to some article "Making money by bitcoin arbitrage"
mdev: that wants you to send his site coins or something to try and get over on exchanges
kakobrekla: yeah well this chan is prolly the last one that would need a warning :)
mdev: :) yeah I don't know, spammers can be pretty crafty he's been banned from #bitcoin quite a bit, and keeps showing back up
mdev: you guys have this channel pretty locked down though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8950 @ 0.00086279 = 7.722 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2801 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: !up mdev
kakobrekla: so anyway what kind of dev are you
kakobrekla: dammit assbot
fluffypony: kakobrekla thwarted by his own bot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00085887 = 19.4534 BTC [-] {4}
kakobrekla: !down fluffypony
kakobrekla: !up mdev
fluffypony: that's awesome
mdev: thanks, i'm a freelance dev, plan on working on my own company stuff eventually, I do mostly web projects these days
mdev: lot of mobile projects out there too
mdev: anyway gotta get ready, is my SO's birthday today, if i'm not allowed to idle in here I won't be upset if you end up kicking
mdev: i'll look into registering later so won't be a burden on you guys anyway with the upping stuff
fluffypony: you're allowed to idle here
mdev: great :)
fluffypony: to be voiced you typically have to be in the WoT and in assbot's L1 or L2 trust, or be voiced by someone else temporarily
pankkake: so the first step is to register with gribble http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/wot_and_reputation
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 593 @ 0.0001857 = 0.1101 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1055 @ 0.00019988 = 0.2109 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: Gitchain by Yurii Rashkovskii — Kickstarter
fluffypony: we already ragged on him a while back
pankkake: oh… I guess I need to RTFL
pankkake: !uup Diablo-D3
pankkake: !up Diablo-D3
pankkake: ;;gettrust assbot Diablo-D3
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Diablo-D3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Diablo-D3 | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Diablo-D3 | Rated since: Mon Apr 25 13:54:20 2011
Diablo-D3: git is already distributed and cant go down
Diablo-D3: I dont get what hes trying to solve
pankkake: the only thing could be private repositories, though there already are client-side encryption projects
pankkake: but I fail to see a compelling reason to use it even then
Diablo-D3: I mean, git even lets me email patches
Diablo-D3: like, right from git or something like that
Diablo-D3: Ive never had to do that because GASP I CAN HOST MY OWN REPO
pankkake: too many people confusing git and github :(
xmj: github clone origin master
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0213697 = 0.2351 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02129973 = 0.1704 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: idea: git push requests
pankkake: !up darlidada
pankkake: !up mdev
fluffypony: pankkake: but come now, EVERYTHING must be rewritten to use blockchain technology
fluffypony: just wait till I have my Kickstarter for BitIRC
fluffypony: IRC meets blockchain technology
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 7 @ 0.03 = 0.21 BTC [+]
pankkake: what's more unfortunate, is that things where it is actually useful, like domain names and certificates… no one cares
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0212955 = 0.1491 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: The #1 Problem Bitcoin Will Solve by 2015 – Bitcoin Magazine
ThickAsThieves: “By the end of 2015 I hope that Bitcoin will enable people to be able to transact with other individuals across the planet, without requiring permission from a bank or government.”
ThickAsThieves: enable people to be able
ThickAsThieves: good stuff
ThickAsThieves: Jon Matonis – “The number one problem that I hope Bitcoin will solve by the end of 2015 is the ability to provide a realistic and viable alternative to central bank issued currencies.”
mircea_popescu: about the missing mpex reports : s.nsa will be published today. s.mpex will be published next month.
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> what's more unfortunate, is that things where it is actually useful, like domain names and certificates… no one cares << this IS sad.
mircea_popescu: i was kinda having high hopes for namecoin. then it died. then i was having high hopes again. then it seems it died #2 ?
pankkake: there are things slowly happening. opennic now serves .bit, there are a few services…
mircea_popescu: hm. maybe it's time to stfu and actually support it a little.
mircea_popescu: pankkake can you be bothered to be my nmc broker or have you had it with brokering ?
pankkake: I can, I have a namecoin node already
pankkake: though it's on my datacenter server, so for large amounts I'll have to change
mircea_popescu: what's it trade at these days ? (and where even ?)
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, you cover nmc ?
pankkake: I actually bought my last NMC there, with my ATC sales
mircea_popescu: a sweet.
mircea_popescu: ima add it to fmpif then. ping BingoBoingo
pankkake: using namecoind is horrible. though I haven't tried the Qt one
mircea_popescu: why;s it horrible ?
pankkake: it's missing many useful commands, and is slow
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
pankkake: makes it hard to track what's happening
mircea_popescu: remind me, what are the chain characteristics ? sha256 ? how many per block, how frequent blocks ?
pankkake: ThickAsThieves: as well as updated windows binaries, Altcoin could certainly use coin control features. there's the possibility of using 0.9 (perhaps disable payment protocol as a statement), or merge the bitcoin-omg 0.8 patches (probably less work)
pankkake: sha256, and everything the same as Bitcoin
pankkake: merge-mined
assbot: Namecoin block explorer
mircea_popescu: i subscribe to the coin control features, but definitely minus the payment protocol bullshit.
mircea_popescu: and patches should be merged one by one if at all.
assbot: Namecoin block explorer
mircea_popescu: pankkake, and how do the costs to reg a domain work at all ? is it a fixed fee ?
pankkake: 0.9 changed many file locations, the build system, etc. so it's pretty much all or nothing
pankkake: I think it's 0.01 NMC, then the updates are usually free
mircea_popescu: pankkake, then its nothing.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what happens to the 1 ncent ? lost for all time ?
dub: paid to miners would be sensible neh?
pankkake: I think they are, it created some controversy
pankkake: I mean they are destroyed
assbot: namecoin/DESIGN-namecoin.md at master vinced/namecoin GitHub
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal if the network hovers at let's say, 1.1 %/day growth, what will be the hash rate on October 1st << what's wrong with 1.0011^x like sane people ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, splendid seriously. send the devs my compliments.
dub: there are devs?
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only demurage scheme that makes any sense.
mircea_popescu: dub, yeah i been sitting here trying to remember who was doing it
mircea_popescu: who's doing it ?
dub: nobody was last I looked
pankkake: I don't think the fee system is considered fixed for now. it is extremely cheap to register something right now
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: are you a bot? <<< ahahaha epic. was waiting for it :D
assbot: namecoinq/namecoinq GitHub
assbot: namecoin-qt/namecoin-qt GitHub
dub: putting your name to this thing is potentially worse than any other coin imo
mircea_popescu: mdev: he may try and make nice nice to get voice then drop his link << so what if he does lol. bitcoin is backed by lulz.
mircea_popescu: dub why ?
dub: which might explain a dev-dearth
dub: it solves some big problems but creates others
pankkake: because the media will make it as childporncoin or something?
mircea_popescu: dub can you be like you know, explicit ?
mircea_popescu: fucking mpex solves some big problems and creates others.
mircea_popescu: sex solves some big problems and creates othersw.
dub: yes, and as soon an grandma can get to .bit and finds mr hands at wallmart.bit everyone involved is going to court then gitmo
dub: the market wants to buy control
mircea_popescu: yeah, that is so very much my concern, that it'll rape the us
mircea_popescu: i live to make sure the us won't be disrupted dontchaknow.
jurov: 302 goatse.bit
dub: not everyone is a what was it? cryptojihadist?
mircea_popescu: yes, but i am.
mircea_popescu: and once i am, it's cool to be, and once it's cool to be everyone has no further options in the matter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29 = 2.03 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: because everyone is not a cool jihadist or what was it.
dub: hey I'm all for it but good luck
pankkake: hey, not everyone can resist the 72 virgins
mircea_popescu: same to yogramma :D
mircea_popescu: ;;google mr hands
gribble: Enumclaw horse sex case - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case>; Mr. Hands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hands>; Mr. Hands (album) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hands_(album)>
dub: tl;dr dude gets fucked by horse on cam and dies
Mats_cd03: i bet he got off first
dub: (you've been on the internet right?)
mircea_popescu: dub, i actually had missed that one. apparently my internet use a decade ago was not sufficiently close to matters of interes tfor the gay community.
dub: the point is you can't really decouple branding from ownership
mircea_popescu: the other point being that customers can have any car color they want as long as it's black.
dub: DNS needs oversight
mircea_popescu: not in that sense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5989 @ 0.0008624 = 5.1649 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the fact that organised scammers can currently steal domain names is the most important vector of attack reducing the credibility of the dns system
mircea_popescu: if that's done away with, dns may even survive as a going concern
dub: they can't steal them though
dub: they can hijack at best
mircea_popescu: you don't take my meaning.
dub: I think the most concerning vector of attack is the fucking NSA
mircea_popescu: against the dns ? nah. the fbi.
dub: and, equally, corporate america
mircea_popescu: arrest warrant in rem, seriously ? gtfo.
mircea_popescu: if i ever turn to a life of crime and merry robbery, i'ma leave the victims arrest warrants in rem too
mircea_popescu: "hey sir, your watch is under arrest"
mircea_popescu: "As there was no law against humanely fucking one horse, the prosecutors could only charge Tait with trespassing."
mircea_popescu: ok that's pretty good.
mircea_popescu: "The police tracked down the rural Enumclaw-area farm, which was known in zoophile Internet chat rooms as a destination for people who want to have sex with livestock, and seized hundreds of hours of videotapes of men engaging in receptive anal sex with horses. One of the videotapes featured Kenneth Pinyan shortly before he died July 2"
mircea_popescu: dude srsly ? they actually can do that ?
dub: sieze your gay horse porn? why not
xmj: 'receptive anal sex'
mircea_popescu: dudes can actually take a horse ?!
los_pantalones: the sphincter is a muscle, it can be trained
dub: the horse is like 'meh, any port in a storm'
pankkake: yes, see goatse
dub: mircea_popescu: some apparently cannot
mircea_popescu: there go asciilifeform's hopes of impalement as a punishment
TomServo: evidently they can, may include perforated colon, but hey
pankkake: !up Diablo-D3
mircea_popescu: dub, good point
Diablo-D3: is kenneth pinyan mr hands?
mircea_popescu: TomServo, its dawning of me that for it to be a perforated colon rather than a torn anus it'd have had to be... in
dub: Diablo-D3: think so, thats the voyage of discovery mp is on
TomServo: never a pleasant realization
mircea_popescu: dub has ruined my innocence.
Diablo-D3: yeah, thats, uh, just, uh, lame tbh
Diablo-D3: there are much safer alternatives than horse dick
dub: I know another kenneth who could use getting fucked to death by a horse
Diablo-D3: like those hilariously large faux horse dildos
mircea_popescu: maybe take him down to the farm ?
kakobrekla: wtf my nsa shirt has holes innit. brand new holes.
mircea_popescu: did you sleep woith a horse ?
kakobrekla: not yet
dub: one each for your arms and the hairy part in the middle
mircea_popescu: then stop going to sleep with your cigar lit ?
TomServo: I thought NSA shirts shipped with cardano?! what is this scam?!
mircea_popescu: TomServo, shhh
kakobrekla: its a fresh one.
mircea_popescu: we're making it difficult for the real nsa to get one.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: IRC meets blockchain technology << actually if you want to do something useful, provision a server (ie, the actual hardware), donate its use to the freenode people (they have a special page)
mircea_popescu: that way, if anything happens (such as freenode going down, or becoming assholes or w/e) we'll have a set of irc servers ready to go and create our own irc network.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: was just trolling :)
mircea_popescu: ya but it's strategically relevant to our interests.
dub: usually the bar for linking a server is set kinda high
mircea_popescu: the ircd is solid, and the irc network is going to be how we communicate.
mircea_popescu: dub, seeing how there's dozens of them...
thestringpuller: /lastlog thestringpuller 5
dub: you might be able to donate hardware but they wont give you control of it without a lot of trust
mircea_popescu: not a matter of control of it.
ThickAsThieves: anyone have a cryptsy referral code?
mircea_popescu: (is this one of the new exchanges ?)
ThickAsThieves: it's the all-encompassing crypto-only exchange
assbot: Cryptsy - Register New Account
pankkake: it's where altcoins go to die. and it's old
pankkake: "To increase your trading ability, please verify your account!" lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00085858 = 16.313 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i already made the account, it says 3099 is an invalid code
dub: bittrex looks ok, seems to be real people
ThickAsThieves: i need your trade key
dub: no ATC though
pankkake: 88ee24aa384fa7680c54db5d3a17ded28aed34e0
pankkake: I thought it was some sort of secret key
pankkake: apparently it isn't
pankkake: thanks
los_pantalones: had a buddy at cryptsy that kept getting negative btc balances
los_pantalones: he met up w/ the guys who run it
los_pantalones: they wouldn't admit it was a bug
los_pantalones: then i think a few more people started reporting issues
los_pantalones: no real conclusion, just be wary
Apocalyptic: that's been known for a long time
los_pantalones: alrighty
Apocalyptic: alas noobs don't care
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: what you doing with Cryptsy? getting ATC listed?
mircea_popescu: "the Bitcoin network has reached nearly 100 petahashes of processing power, less than 8 piddling months after hitting 1 petahash."
mircea_popescu: pete's law of the bitcoin network ? "two degrees of magnitude each 8 months"
ThickAsThieves: <+fluffypony> ThickAsThieves: what you doing with Cryptsy? getting ATC listed? /// well i'm emailing support for the seconf time about it, but this time to see if they'll add it to a special page they have for letting community vote on what to add next. this mechanism also has a way to pay for votes (i havent done the math)
fluffypony: yeah to the voting page
ThickAsThieves: I've also got the trading bug a few weeks ago, so dipping into alts too
mircea_popescu: how much could it be
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: well
fluffypony: Mediterraneancoin has 17886 votes
fluffypony: at 0.0002 each
fluffypony: 3.5 BTC
mircea_popescu: o so vote count doesn't actually do anything ?
mircea_popescu: i thought they have 10 derps voting like whatever meanwhile dead exchange used to
mircea_popescu: and you give a coupla bitcents to each or w/e
fluffypony: each registered user gets 1 free vote
fluffypony: and you can also use your Cryptsy points to vote
fluffypony: I have some points I can blow on votes
fluffypony: once it's on there
mircea_popescu: eh da fuck. who runs this thing again ?
Apocalyptic: some Big Vern in Flordia
mircea_popescu: playing stupid social media games with some anon's derpy site, what is this.
fluffypony: BigVern
Apocalyptic: *Florida
pankkake: many altcoin exchanges have the same bizness model
asciilifeform: apparently we have a kind of bird here which can crash - infinite loop. 2 hrs. now repeatedly flying into window, perching on plank (must be 100g of shit on it now) and repeat. and again.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11570 @ 0.0008597 = 9.9467 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: infinite hit points
mircea_popescu: ya how do you know it's the same bird
fluffypony: I believe you've discovered the Lilac Breasted Usagi, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: filmed it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 3000 @ 0.0003 = 0.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14047 @ 0.00085831 = 12.0567 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: the pope is replenishing hit points "Pontiff says couples who decide not to procreate and opt to get a dog or cat instead face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age"
fluffypony: omf I've got to tell the wife
fluffypony: at least we have something to look forward to in our old age :-P
xmj: ThickAsThieves: eeee
fluffypony: who else is going to Talla at the end of the month?
mircea_popescu: face the 'bitterness of loneliness' in old age" << this is quite true, he has a point.
xmj: he does
xmj: but it does not need the pope to bring up the image of the old, bitter, catlady
fluffypony: s/Talla/Tallinn
fluffypony: can't type today
asciilifeform goes out to reset bird
ThickAsThieves: you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond
ThickAsThieves: not that you should be surprised
fluffypony: I haven't spoken to her since December
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085831 = 3.4762 BTC [-]
fluffypony: heard she got sick
punkman: pigeon flew into the house the other day, derped around for like 10 minutes, shat on my bed, then flew out before I could strangle it
pankkake: deprived wasn't 100% in it right?
Apocalyptic: TAT, kinda wondering why you need cryptsy to accept ATC
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: volume
ThickAsThieves: it's not a "need"
pankkake: punkman: wow, that's some level of pigeon-assholism
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, that "volume" is essentially trader puming & dumping coins
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.024394 = 0.2439 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: but it would help it grow
fluffypony: but it's a marketing exercise
pankkake: it's advertising
punkman: pankkake: yeah last pigeon had the decency to only shit under the bed
ThickAsThieves: i understand why you'd want things to stay on x-bt though
ThickAsThieves: but the alternative would be to advertise x-bt more
ThickAsThieves: or add more coins to it
Apocalyptic: adding more coins will attract the kind of people we really don't want in ATC imo
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> you heard it here first, Kate-Craig is gonna default on the ciphermine.b1 bond << such a successful business-ex-man ?!
asciilifeform woke up from the noise, looked in window, saw wild cat tunneling (!) under the house. but then the cat successfully penetrated, and the noise continued - then found bird. on other side of bldg. cat isn't doing his work.
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> but the alternative would be to advertise x-bt more << this can't hurt.
Apocalyptic: it's like saying to MPEX to add more bitcoinbourse securities, cause that's where it's at
ThickAsThieves: it can't hurt, but it's not my job
mircea_popescu: why play the stupid games of some derp that's not even in the wot ?
Apocalyptic: indeed mircea
mircea_popescu: so bigvern is your job ?!
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> filmed it. < urlpls
ThickAsThieves: well i technically have no job
assbot: CVE -CVE-2014-3466
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: will upload a few min. of it, have patience.
pankkake: criticial flaw in gnutls :(
mircea_popescu: ahahaha o boy.
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, I heard Blockr is going to implement x-bt as the default exchange for ATC
Apocalyptic: and Cryptocoinschart is going to add it as well
Apocalyptic: so i'm working on it
pankkake: ccc would be nice
ThickAsThieves: excellent, i'm not trying to act critical or impatient
pankkake: better would be coinmarketcap
ThickAsThieves: but the next level of ATC adoption would likely include it being listed on another crop of exchanges regardless
ThickAsThieves: whether i instigate it or not
ThickAsThieves: and odds are also high my instigation will be ineffective anyway
ThickAsThieves: and things will continue to play out as they do without me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00085976 = 8.9845 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, basically you've elected to not be part of bitcoin and so to dull the ache of it will now play an ipad app game about bitcoins ?
mircea_popescu: why make failure a goal, i wish to know.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.280775 = 1.1231 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: seems to be your goal for my actions, not mine
ThickAsThieves: i'm just taking 15m out of my day to fancy a whim
mircea_popescu: well no, i don';t have one. i do have the habit of asking unpleasant questions.
ThickAsThieves: you're painting it like i voted for hitler
mircea_popescu: not necessarily always relevant, that's usually harder to optimize for
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.27123 = 0.5425 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i'm a bit more squishy than you when it comes to these ideals, like No WoT, No Service
ThickAsThieves: considering i think the WoT needs improvement and that just because you arent it doesnt make you a peasant or scammer
assbot: defective bird - YouTube
asciilifeform: ^ a minute or so of the action
mircea_popescu: well sure
asciilifeform: bird is still working even now!
kakobrekla: either glitch in the matrix or chemtrails.
asciilifeform: finally resolved to kill & cook it, but it's clever, hides.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, as a s.nsa manager i'll have to ask you to refrain from eating any crazy poultry or fowl,
mircea_popescu: with regrets
asciilifeform: i'll leave it for the thick cat.
asciilifeform: (or for long cat. or any of the other local fauna)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6716 @ 0.00085788 = 5.7615 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 15 @ 0.02812013 = 0.4218 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: (there are at least 7 distinct cats orbiting this place.)
assbot: I feel so sorry for american families - Imgur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.074 = 0.444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00256597 = 0.118 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: http://freepdfhosting.com/0d53fc3f43.pdf looks like Ken is getting similar fines to Erik, except from the state of Mo instead
asciilifeform: i look at the fscking bird and all i can think, 'ortolan'
diametric: mircea_popescu: speaking of s.nsa, what's your take on erik's settlement with the SEC, and what do you think asciilifeform's risk is of falling into the same situation?
mircea_popescu: diametric, well, i'm not a lawyer, and especially not one admitted before the sec bar
mircea_popescu: (they have like their own private bar by now)
mircea_popescu: my take on the erik settlement is in the logs, lemme fish it out
mike_c: i think if you scoured the entire logs you couldn't find one example of ascii promoting s.nsa shares
asciilifeform: i do suppose that, if i start being worth something, i will no longer be plagued by little birds, but by fat vultures
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11909 @ 0.00085755 = 10.2126 BTC [-]
diametric: mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation?
mike_c: it seemed to me the only reason he got fined was that his feedzbirdz investors didn't make money.
asciilifeform: i'm still curious precisely why vorhees wasn't sent to the wagen for satoshidice
ThickAsThieves: their main problem seems to be that no filing for exemption or registration was made
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: you will notice that the mpex offering is attached in the deal in a spurious and mostly doomed attempt to shoehorn some relevancy in the matter.
mircea_popescu: otherwise the entire discussion covers his glbse offering
diametric: hah "only" suffered 150k.
diametric: my tax dollars at work
mircea_popescu: this is a trend that has being going on for three years and is likely to continue : people who think they know better than me / don't listen to me will have problems.
mircea_popescu: <diametric> mike_c: wasn't part of erik's fine simply because he had IPO'd without filing the required documentation? << no. he was fined for having advertised a glbse scam.
assbot: From Left to Right (Sleva Napravo) - YouTube
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that was from an ancient soviet multi-parter
mircea_popescu: the rest is tacked on because the sec is in a very unenviable strategic position after our meanwhile piublished discussion, and would like to turn the "either mp's way or the highway" into some sort of "either mp's way or epsilon"
mike_c: speaking of s.nsa, May report coming soon? (mpoe too)
mircea_popescu: mike_c, as for nsa, pinguirker is sickj again
mircea_popescu: somehow it's always sick when i publish!!11
mike_c: i don't know what pankkake feeds that penguin.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mike_c: ah, i was 10 hours away from reading that. thx.
mircea_popescu: lol sorry.
mircea_popescu: i wish to be a LOGGERJACK!!1\
mircea_popescu: jumping from log to log in the virgin forests of bitcoin-assetia
ThickAsThieves: they seem much more open-minded this time "Thank you for contacting Cryptsy. I am happy to assist.
ThickAsThieves: Thank you for introducing me to this coin.
ThickAsThieves: I have submitted your coin to our development team who will review it
ThickAsThieves: to see if it meets our requirements for addition to the Cryptsy exchange.
ThickAsThieves: If there is anything else I can do for you, please let me know. :-)"
mircea_popescu: the endless lines, the mighty scotch pine...
kakobrekla: sounds like gox
mircea_popescu: maybe they hired the meanwhile unemployed miranda
mircea_popescu: or whatever was the guy'[s name
mircea_popescu: diametric, all that stuff aside, asciilifeform, as well as you and everyone else that can form this question or similar questions are well advised to get out of the soviet union.
mircea_popescu: much like getting into the wot, the best time to have done that is a few years agp
mircea_popescu: the 2nd best time is today.
mircea_popescu: do me a personal favour and don't wait for the exit taxes payable in bitcoin.
asciilifeform sits dourly in gravity well
mircea_popescu: i will further point out that argentine citizenship, unlike romanian citizenship, is a two year affair.
danielpbarron: 09:26:55 <+los_pantalones> had a buddy at cryptsy that kept getting negative BTC balances << happened to me too
kakobrekla: that is why some ex. have 'reset balance' button
kakobrekla: fucking idiots.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25750 @ 0.00085738 = 22.0775 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o wait it wasn't sick
mircea_popescu: i just have delayed rss feeds.
diametric: I've toyed with the idea of moving to Norway a few times.. but I have far too many things anchoring me here.
asciilifeform: doesn't No have the world's currently highest tax...
mircea_popescu: moving to norway would make no difference anyway.
asciilifeform: nato muppets, aye
diametric: at the time I mostly chose it due to the climate which I'd enjoy, as well as having the least amount of religious people.
asciilifeform: i thought jp holds the record for the latter
mircea_popescu: what's so bad about religious people tho ?
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diametric: mircea_popescu: i don't like them.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in usa, various brands of nuttery are pushed by the church
mike_c: heh, you mean like religion? the church keep pushing that nuttery everywhere.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's more a factor of us specific idiocy. there was a fuckwit in the street hre, clearly american, derping about jesus to people. he clearly had a mortgage back home,
diametric: asciilifeform: well, i think i was more going along the lines of secularism, a lot of the population of JP doesn't identify with any single religion but rather pieces of several
mircea_popescu: and he clearly believed that a bunch of new world fuctards have truely and really discovered something imp0ortant about jesus.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13380 @ 0.00085675 = 11.4633 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: well, joseph smith did get those golden plates or whatever..
mircea_popescu: that'd be the problem, this "i can do it" atttiude applied to religion. which isn't religion in any sense, unless you count ustardianism as a religion.
mike_c: i don't see angels stopping by argentina with golden messages from aliens
mircea_popescu: in other words, religion managed to never bother me anywhere - egypt included - as much as it bothers in the us.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, ikr? california so much more visible from space.
mircea_popescu: "Officials from the group will hold meetings with "the leading Internet operators" this month to look into the possibilities for immediately shutting down web sites and barring messages that spread hatred or encourage violent militancy or terrorism, the statement said."
mircea_popescu: let's make sure our boys can't compete with their boys, and if push comes to shove our entire country is made of girls.
mircea_popescu: hopefully the islamists come riding horses, and so the entire population of "France and Belgium were broadly supported by the other countries - Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Britain, the Netherlands, Ireland and Spain " can be sexually satisfied.
davout: mircea_popescu "moving to norway would make no difference anyway." <<< we're back at criteria to choosing a place to move to :D
asciilifeform: i gotta say, the fuckwits don't bother me (except on the rare occasions they show up to my door, spamming)
mircea_popescu: davout, meanwhile one has emerged in conversation. you folks coming to live with me in romania'd have had to wait > 10 years plus for citizenship, making it useless. any attempt to get the foreign minister to commit to making ongoing exceptions predictably failed, not for lack of him wanting to help, but for pure wtf... it's a eu country, it'd have ended up on all the newspapers.
mircea_popescu: argentina, meanwhile, wants you to wait *maybe* two years. that's useful.
asciilifeform: (u.s. fuckwits, as a general rule, don't have the courage to blow up heretics)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think you will find that quite a few folks here will join you to party in Ar, as soon as we figure out what to eat there.
mircea_popescu: empanadas are 90 cents per.
asciilifeform: us poor buggers with day jobs
mircea_popescu: learn to internets!
asciilifeform blows dust of 'webtv for dummies' (bought on a dare in college)
mike_c: ooh, i like this lenore skenazy woman
mircea_popescu: did the angels name her ?
mike_c: from punkman's link on leaving your child in the car
mike_c: she made national news for letting her 9 yr old ride the subway alone
mike_c: "“Let’s put aside for the moment that by far, the most dangerous thing you did to your child that day was put him in a car and drive someplace with him. About 300 children are injured in traffic accidents every day — and about two die. That’s a real risk"
mircea_popescu: whoa chetty check it out
kakobrekla: * asciilifeform blows dust of 'webtv for dummies' (bought on a dare in college) < wait whut camwhoreing ?
mircea_popescu: re that link : i had this nutty discussion with a guy at the mall in timisoara, his 4 yo kid was throwing an absolute tantrum on the ground
mircea_popescu: me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare*
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'webtv' was this '90s gizmo for the terminally sad
mike_c: idk that beatings help. i think i will just go with ignoring in that situation.
mike_c: beating = more screaming.
asciilifeform notices: bird is still working.
mike_c: what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it.
kakobrekla: hm ok although you dont seem terminally sad.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, beatings help.
asciilifeform thonk. flap, flap. thonk.
mircea_popescu: ignoring doesn't help.
danielpbarron: i agree; spare the rod, spoil the child
mircea_popescu: mike_c, no, you just beat it until it's too scared to scream.
mike_c: help what? beating is attention, which is what they want.
danielpbarron: all are born wicked; that needs to be beaten out
mircea_popescu: no, beagting is painful
mircea_popescu: which is what they're wired to avoid
mircea_popescu: at all costs.
mike_c: true. well, I'll report back in a few years.
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> what do i care if he wants to roll on the ground at the mall and scream? go for it. << you care because if you didn't you'ds have married a chimp instead of his mother.
danielpbarron: beating a child is much more human then giving them a chemical lobotomy
mircea_popescu: did i stumble on a danielpbarron pet peeve ?
danielpbarron: no, i agree with you
danielpbarron: unless you are being sarcastic
mircea_popescu: well i can see that :)
mike_c: whoop, now i gotta give him percocet instaed of beatings :)
mircea_popescu: is that what they market codeine as ?
TomServo: +mircea_popescu | me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare* << didn't you say no beating unless double-digit in age?
danielpbarron: exactly; they give kids these pills which does damage to their brain; andd that's supposed to be more humane than a beating of the ass??
mike_c: oxycodone
mircea_popescu: TomServo, i said it shouldn't be needed
mircea_popescu: (actually what i said iirc was that if it's needed you suck a sa parent, which ... well... yeah)
mike_c: point being if they are single digits you should be able to silence them with your warface.
danielpbarron: doesn't that warface have to come with the memory that i usually is followed by a beating?
danielpbarron: that it*
mircea_popescu: ancestral tho.
mike_c: no. my father never hit me (mom did spanking), but i was more scared of him than her.
mircea_popescu: !up Klirick
danielpbarron: my dad never hit me and i'm not afraid of him
mike_c: then his warface sucks.
danielpbarron: yeah it does
mircea_popescu: speaking of weird compounds : when i was a kid you could buy coideine phosphate otc. and people did.
ThickAsThieves: my dad did this neck pinching and hand-squeezing thing
mircea_popescu: and kids got it for coughs
ThickAsThieves: it was plenty
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: likewise in ussr
TomServo: my mom rocked a wooden spoon pretty well
danielpbarron: 10:46:55 <+mircea_popescu> me "why don't you beat it ?" him *vacant stare*
danielpbarron: you could buy coideine phosphate otc. << sippin' on sizurp
ThickAsThieves: ever have someone cup their hand over yours and press inward on your fingernails while the hand is closed?
mike_c: TomServo: did she make you get it for her? :)
ThickAsThieves: it's a little known trick
mircea_popescu: mike_c, btw, the "mom did spanking" part is extremely important for the WOMAN's mental health.
danielpbarron: they replaced the codeine with DXM
mircea_popescu: wish you to hear an ancient story ?
mike_c: stories are fun
mircea_popescu: ok so, you've probably heard of gehenna, but you probably don't know what it actually was.
danielpbarron: DXM is very trippy and is alleged to cause lesions
danielpbarron: of the brain
mircea_popescu: turns out, among the many things the ancient babylonians invented, such as the seals, and commerce,
mircea_popescu: was risk management.
mircea_popescu: a key part of this risk management was the following weird as shit aspect :
mircea_popescu: kids die, in 4000bc. unavoidably so, for a multitude or reasons.
Mats_cd03: i guess my brain has lesions
danielpbarron: mine too
mircea_popescu: parents loathe this. and more so in 4000bc than today, for today it's only imagined, whereas then it was a fact.
mircea_popescu: so the babylonians started KILLING their children.
mircea_popescu: because if you can't prevent it, the only other way to gain some control over it is to do it yourself.
mircea_popescu: the mothers had serious problems with this. the fathers did to. and yet... cold equations of power.
Mats_cd03: dumb
mircea_popescu: the fathers BOUGHT poor kids to kill instead of their own kids.
mircea_popescu: which their raised and dressed the same.
los_pantalones: what was the goal of it? illusion of control ?
danielpbarron: The Bible says, a rebellious son should be brought to the town elders and stoned to death by the community
mircea_popescu: the mothers just wept.
mircea_popescu: the religion moved to forbid women weeping,
mike_c: craziness. good to know people have always been as dumb as they are today.
mircea_popescu: \and to improve the ocntrol of this, they found a place, a natural canyon,
mircea_popescu: where they did all the killing.
asciilifeform: thought gehenna was the babypit outside old jerusalem
mircea_popescu: to prevent pestilence, they started lkeeping fires going all the time
mircea_popescu: and the place's name was... gehenna.
mircea_popescu: to cover the screams of the eviscerate dbabes and their badly hurt mothers,
mircea_popescu: they started beating drums
mircea_popescu: and out of this effort to cover screams of children and take their mother's mind off it
mircea_popescu: music was born.
mircea_popescu: and from the stupidity of the illusion of control, as los_pantalones aptly put it, the control theatre
mircea_popescu: a new religion was born.
mircea_popescu: a woman had a positive incentive to mary a christian (this is much pre jesus, btw)
asciilifeform: i thought even the archaeologically-challenged are at least familiar with the babypit of sparta, say
mircea_popescu: because that man made a firm promise prenup to never kill her children in this manner.
mircea_popescu: and so the new religion spread.
danielpbarron: a true christian would advocate the stoning to death of a rebellious son, even to this day
chetty: hmm I think most of todays xtians are new testament not old
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, the catholic contemporary instistence on "raising the children in the church" and promising to do so
mircea_popescu: talks back to quite ancient tradition. 6 millenia or more.
danielpbarron: chetty, it's all one; the whole Bible is essential
mike_c: a true father would advocate the stoning to death of a christian son.
TomServo: danielpbarron: I dunno, doing DXM and causing brain lesions sounds pretty rebellious. Would you have made it? :P
danielpbarron: TomServo, no; i should have been stoned to death
danielpbarron: stoning someone to death is against the law in the US, and the Bible says to submit to the governing authorities
asciilifeform: re: drowning idiot sons:
Mats_cd03: religion is an infection
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Mats_cd03: the weak succumb
diametric: danielpbarron: so then you agree since the law in the US allows gays to marriage, you must submit?
danielpbarron: submit to what?
danielpbarron: that's per state, btw
diametric: acknowledging the legitimacy of their marriage.
diametric: Well, a state if a governing authority is it not?
mircea_popescu: so if in your state it's legal, and a gay dude buys you from your parents
mircea_popescu: do you acknowledge you now have to obey him and so on ?
mircea_popescu: put out, do the dishes, w/e
diametric: i don't think he has a choice
danielpbarron: idk if it's legal to sell children
danielpbarron: the state has a monopoly on adoption
diametric: danielpbarron: the bible says it should be
mircea_popescu: lol wait he has a pore out
mircea_popescu: pretty cool.
danielpbarron: but anyway; to answer the question: yes I would honor my parents even if they are wicked (mine happen to be currently)
danielpbarron: atheists
mircea_popescu: what do they do ?
asciilifeform: to be fair, 'render unto caesar...' was written before caesar was synonymous with 'batshit'
diametric: danielpbarron: but doesn't the bible also say honoring wicked people is a sin?
danielpbarron: my mom is an adulterer (divorced my dad and now has a boyfriend)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.024394 = 0.122 BTC [-]
diametric: danielpbarron: doesn't that kind of fuck you in the end, you're going to hell whether you like it or not
danielpbarron: diametric, chapter and verse please/
danielpbarron: diametric, it terrifies me
mircea_popescu: lmao diametric just got served a "link ?" v0.1
jurov: ThickAsThieves: there?
jurov: i wonder how would you help f.mpif moving if you were mm
Mats_cd03: you have to be pretty gullible to believe in the bible
diametric: you guys are sure he's not a troll?
diametric: Poe's law is a bitch.
mircea_popescu: "I know that a home with an unfenced swimming pool is as dangerous as one with a loaded gun."
mircea_popescu: eh what the fuck.
diametric: danielpbarron: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+13%3A10&version=ESV is the closest I can find. Since your parents are atheists, I think its your duty to go stone them now.
assbot: Deuteronomy 13:10 ESV - You shall stone him to death with - Bible Gateway
diametric: take pics and report back.
Mats_cd03: evangelicals are basically trolls
mike_c: more kids die from the pool than from guns.
danielpbarron: diametric, that would violate Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.
Mats_cd03: lets change that statistic and gun some children down
diametric: danielpbarron: so your god contradicts himself?
diametric: does he do that often?
diametric: maybe the only solution is to stone yourself then.
danielpbarron: diametric, it is not a requirement of salvation to enforce the law of the old testement, but it isn't a bad idea if you can do it
mircea_popescu: well if i had no other reasons to not have kids, this'd be sufficient.
mircea_popescu: i do not wish to be involved with anything that annoying.
mike_c: ;;calc 105.599253 / 166.97404975
gribble: 0.632429129904
mike_c: gribble needs a _ operator
mircea_popescu: fucking fence the pool. what next.
pankkake: you managed to fuck a billion women and had no kids?
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure it wasn't a billion women
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00085847 = 15.2378 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: My friends and I sometimes play this game, the did-our-parents-really-let-us-do-that game. We recall bike ramps, model rockets, videotaping ourselves setting toys on fire. Many remember taking off on bikes alone, playing in the woods for hours without adult supervision, crawling through storm drains to follow creek beds, latchkey afternoons, monkey bars installed over slabs of concrete. My husband recalls forts built
mircea_popescu: in the trunk of the station wagon on long road trips. I remember standing up in the back of my father’s LeBaron convertible while he cruised around the neighborhood, or spending an hour lying low on the seat of our station wagon, feet against the window, daydreaming or reading in crowded parking lots while my mother got groceries or ran other boring errands. One friend tells me how, from 7-Elevens, to Kroger, to var
mircea_popescu: ious banks, schools and offices, he was left alone in the front passenger seat of a convertible Mustang for a good portion of his childhood, primarily because he was shy and wanted to not have to meet new people. For people of our generation, living a suburban childhood, the car was central to our lives, not simply a mode of transportation but in many ways, an extension of our home.
mircea_popescu: all the many things that are STILL not dangerous today.
diametric: danielpbarron: oh so now that the old testament is hard to justify in modern times, you just throw it away? except you can't, because matthew 5:18 clearly says, from Jesus, that until heaven and earth are gone, you need to follow the law of the old testament.
mike_c: jurov: how are you trying to make it move? more volume isn't really a goal is it?
mircea_popescu: "In the months of fear and shame that followed my being charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor, I continuously analyzed my own mind-set that day, trying to understand how I did something that both a bystander and a police officer considered criminally dangerous, and the best I could come up with was the theory that I’d been lulled by nostalgia into a false sense of security."
diametric: danielpbarron: 17"Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. 18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.…
mircea_popescu: the correct conclusion being that a bystander is insane and the police officer cowardly.
diametric: danielpbarron: i think you're in a bindh ere.
diametric: I wonder what Jesus's take on Bitcoin would be.
danielpbarron: diametric, the law has not be abolished; it has been fulfilled. It is still the law, but salvation is achieved through belief, not strict enforcement
jurov: fyi, hungarian citizenship is easy, just dig out some confirmation your ancestors are from old hungary (=practically whole eastern europe)
mircea_popescu: jurov, not practically useful to muricans.
diametric: danielpbarron: its still the law, and jesus says you should follow the law, how is that not clear?
jurov: not if their grandma came from there
diametric: danielpbarron: why are you not out stoning atheists and raping their wives right now.
jurov: mike_c: yes more volume
danielpbarron: diametric, because Jesus said to submit to the government authorities, and they made stoning illegal
mike_c: lots of trading volume is not a good thing, or the goal of a market maker. goal of a market maker should be to keep the price near the intrinsic value of the asset.
jurov: *and* profit
mike_c: this being the goal of a good market maker, not a wall street huckster.
mike_c: you profit when people want to trade away from the asset's intrinsic value and you allow them to.
diametric: danielpbarron: killing gays in uganda is legal, so people slaughtering them still have a ticket to heaven?
mircea_popescu: mike_c, there's also some interest to allow people be served.
jurov: it is well outside it already
mircea_popescu: is it ?!
assbot: Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Act, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
diametric: danielpbarron: so?
mike_c: intrinsic value != nav
mircea_popescu: mike_c, in this case ? why not ?
jurov: last report says 0.0021536
diametric: danielpbarron: up until that point, it was cool right?
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.01*0.0021536
gribble: 0.002175136
jurov: ;;calc 21725/21536
gribble: 1.00877600297
danielpbarron: diametric, you aren't saved by enforcing the law.. if you enforce the law without believing, you are like the hypocrites Jesus scolded for trying to kill the prostitute
mircea_popescu: jurov, seems within bounds
mike_c: because present value of future cash flows counts.
jurov: ok, it's not "well" outside, i take it back
ThickAsThieves: <+jurov> ThickAsThieves: there? --- mostly
diametric: danielpbarron: so at the time, when being gay was a capital offense, and killing a gay person was legal, if a Christian killed a gay person in Uganda, and believed, they're in heaven right?
jurov: ThickAsThieves i just asked you to look to f.mpif order book and some ideas
diametric: danielpbarron: well I should say, they'll go to heaven.
danielpbarron: diametric, yes; homosexuals should be stoned to death
diametric: there we go, at least you're acknowledging the brutality of your all loving god.
jurov: "what would TAT do"
Blazedout419: lol stoned to death?
diametric: He loves you more with ever toss of a stone.
mike_c: not to keep sticking my nose in when you keep asking TaT, but i don't think more volume should be a goal.
danielpbarron: diametric, God also hates and kills
mike_c: </soapbox>
Blazedout419: oh you believe in that crap then?
ThickAsThieves: hmm i havent paid attention to it, but i will say i think your goal is to make money while following the rules, nothing more
diametric: this is a perfect example of Poe's law happening
Blazedout419: the mighty sky people...
ThickAsThieves: you have plenty info, but i'm guessing there is no action on the books outside 1%
danielpbarron: diametric, I get that a lot
jurov: mike_c you're free to discuss ofc, volume goal stems from me wating to get something out of it
diametric: as fun as it is playing chess with pigeons, i'm going afk for a bit.
ThickAsThieves: fwiw, it's common for very little selling to happen on mpex
mike_c: <back on soapbox> if you have good shareholders, why do you want them leaving? (i.e. selling)
mircea_popescu: lol somebody's read buffett
mike_c: 40 years worth so far. 10 more to go.
ThickAsThieves: no one said you want them selling or leaving
ThickAsThieves: but we're in jurov's shows here
ThickAsThieves: no one else's
jurov: okay, so.. if the orderbook/volume keeps staying like this, i'll just get long
mircea_popescu: anyway, take the ethical end of it : would you rather have drug addicts use clean needles or w/e they can find in hospital garbage ?
ThickAsThieves: you're left basically waiting for your over/underpriced orders to fill
ThickAsThieves: or otherwise watching paint dry
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, it's always dangerous to imagine things will forever go the way they went the past month.
mike_c: BingoBoingo watched paint dry last month. it was the right thing to do.
ThickAsThieves: of course, things WILL happen
jurov: yes. the problem is, overpriced order end up above the 1m offered
jurov: and underpriced must get below my 2% band
ThickAsThieves: but their frequency is low here
jurov: and this can stay so for several moths
mike_c: then you have an easy job :)
jurov: lolk
ThickAsThieves: easy and hard
ThickAsThieves: i think jurov is just expressing he feels ineffective
mike_c: at some point a significant holder will want to get out, or a significant buyer will want to get in. jurov will be there waiting.
jurov: just soliciting ideas, i may feel ineffective if this keeps going on for longer time
mike_c: isn't your constraint 1%?
jurov: yes, on both sides of nav
assbot: Rio Mayor On World Cup: "Were Latins, Were Not Used To Deadlines"
ThickAsThieves: so all he has to do is keep himself in his band and wait
jurov: so 2% toether
mike_c: ;;calc 0.0002158 * 1.01
gribble: 0.000217958
mike_c: ah, that is above the new share block.
ThickAsThieves: unless you wanna go promoting MPEx to get more users, which, incidentally is already something you have incentive to do with Coinbr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 882 @ 0.0008585 = 0.7572 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: how are things going with CoinBr, if i may ask?
jurov: coinbr rode mostly on satoshidice
jurov: since it went away, not very much
ThickAsThieves: any plans for it?
jurov: the thing i think would help most, would be to offer margin.. but i don't feel like going into such alone and did not find anyone suitable yet
ThickAsThieves: i'm not sure it'd be the solution at this time really
jurov: why not? X.EUR + margin could replace the former options
ThickAsThieves: because mpex offers margin, no?
jurov: did you ask mp for it? you know wat are the conditions?
ThickAsThieves: but you think you could offer better?
jurov: that's something i need someone who has plenty of trade experience to help figure me out
los_pantalones: jurov, what are you trying to shake out ?
ThickAsThieves: i dont see that as an early stage service to safely get into
los_pantalones: i may be able to help
jurov: i think of something like bitcoinica was, just done right and with delivery in euros (via x.eur)
ThickAsThieves: and combining that with that mpex does offer it, it seems an awkward path to start on
ThickAsThieves: i'd lean towards expansion into other less-mpexy services
jurov: such as.. dice games? :DDD
ThickAsThieves: well not quite what i meant, but i was forgetting you have that
ThickAsThieves: more like related services
Mats_cd03: god hates niggers
ThickAsThieves: i dunno, like specialized stock charting
ThickAsThieves: or integration with other stock exchanges
ThickAsThieves: and colored coins
ThickAsThieves: right now coinprism has a wallet and people can ipo, but there;s no exchange
ThickAsThieves: he's building one
ThickAsThieves: it won't have any reputation features
jurov: there's your answer... why they did not go on nigger coins?
ThickAsThieves: those would be better example of what i mean for paths for CoinBr
jurov: we looked into it for coinroll, it's mess
ThickAsThieves: just things to think about i guess
ThickAsThieves: as much as i have spoken against colored coins, i have come around to seeing how they'll probably have a place
jurov: and i have another project in the pipeline, too
jurov: no need to add more
ThickAsThieves: well then i should stop imposing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00086231 = 14.1419 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: care to share anything about the other project?
jurov: anon dot ml ;)
jurov: it will use freenet to ensure we can't learn anything about the customers even under rectothermals
jurov: the prototype is working, but as did not find decent admin, must to thet part myself
ThickAsThieves: lemme know if you need help with the logo ;D
jurov: ok, good
assbot: Man runs 3,237 miles in name of Bitcoin and homelessness - CNET
ThickAsThieves: "In the four months he's been on the move, he's shed 72 pounds, met all sorts of people, and been daunted by the thousands of miles ahead."
jurov: brb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5350 @ 0.00086279 = 4.6159 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: xmj: around?
xmj: fluffypony: no.
fluffypony: such AI
fluffypony: xmj: tell xmj to come to his computer
fluffypony: worst bot ever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0213 = 0.1491 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.024394 = 0.1464 BTC [-]
xmj: such AI, many lulz, much fun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 19.40158558 BTC to 8`242 shares, 235399 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.76279896 BTC to 8`242 shares, 21388 satoshi per share
asciilifeform noticed that bird is still at work - and beginning to destroy expensive mosquito nets, tearing with beak, shitting continuously. i go out and set five mouse traps on its shit perch plank. two minutes later: unrelated bird whacked. i pick up carcass to throw to the kittehs, it comes back to life & rockets away, leaving glove full of feathers.
asciilifeform: original bird: still working hard.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00086303 = 9.8817 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
fluffypony: assbot
fluffypony: asciilifeform
fluffypony: you're going to love this
assbot: Dropbox - defective bird 1.mp4
fluffypony: I paid someone on Fiverr to do a voiceover
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02116067 = 0.3174 BTC [-] {5}
mike_c: you need a hobby :)
fluffypony: I have one - I wrote the script
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.02057647 = 0.3498 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2401 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0214 = 0.1498 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0202 = 0.1616 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: asciilifeform: he came to demonstrate mircea's "you can't stop bird flying onto"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.0202 = 0.2424 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: and/or to drop some NSA stuff around your house, i guess
TomServo: asciilifeform: So you have a cat burrowing under your foundation and bird trying to fly through your window?
BingoBoingo: %ticker
mike_c: this is what you get for moving out of the city
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 188k High: 256 Low: 185 VWAP: 224
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.021898 = 0.1095 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Argentina appoints new secretary of 'national thought' - Telegraph
BingoBoingo: Bird has hitpoint too, apparently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 173 @ 0.0202 = 3.4946 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Shotgun sized for spiders much not seem like such an excessive idea anymore...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02287487 = 0.183 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0202 = 0.1212 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.0202 = 0.8888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 23 @ 0.0234 = 0.5382 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0234 = 0.1872 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: fluffypony: lol! and, incidentally, the thing is... still there.
fluffypony: it's a persistent little shit, then
asciilifeform: amazing beast.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: if it's an avian cyborg warrior of the fuhrer, it's doing a piss poor job of being inconspicuous.
TomServo: asciilifeform: What kind of bird is it?
jurov: iirc pigeon
jurov: ;;seen pigeons
gribble: pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 23 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <pigeons> pediwikia?
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 minutes and 54 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> asciilifeform: Shotgun sized for spiders much not seem like such an excessive idea anymore...
pankkake: !up Skirmant
Skirmant: thanks!
assbot: The Lilac Breasted Usagi Bird - YouTube
punkman: fluffypony: who did the voiceover? not bad
fluffypony: punkman: some dude on Fiverr
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34064 @ 0.00085857 = 29.2463 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: there's no indication of how much will be refunded
pankkake: not that anyone can really know how much was actually spent
pankkake: so the fucker is going to keep a nice profit for himself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.074 = 0.148 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 380000 @ 0.00009001 = 34.2038 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: TomServo, jurov: bird is a robin. and still working.
kakobrekla: still on the job?!
asciilifeform: Turdus migratorius.
assbot: La Maison du Bitcoin hosts the first French bitcoin hackathon
jurov: !up sedeki
jurov: !up sedeki
sedeki: hi
jurov: !up Littlep1_
sedeki: will i get voiced if i rejoin now automatically?
jurov: sedeki sadly not
jurov: ;;gettrust assbot sedeki
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask sedeki!~textual@unaffiliated/sedeki. Trust relationship from user assbot to user sedeki: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=sedeki | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sedeki | Rated since: Thu Nov 15 20:15:51 2012
jurov: you need to get into level 2 here
sedeki: all right
jurov: !up bloctoc
jurov: !up jMyles
mike_c: what do you do sedeki?
sedeki: i'm a python/django programmer
mike_c: excellent choices. what do you work on?
sedeki: nothing at the moment
kakobrekla: excellent choice.
jurov: heh.. and do you have some past references?
pankkake: so what do you think about masters and slaves?
sedeki: haha
kakobrekla: and niggers?
jurov: just switch to turbogears. no such nonsense there :D
sedeki: that whole debate is just downside up
sedeki: or whatever :-)
sedeki: jurov are you looking for a programmer?
jurov: sedeki, yes. but i'm picky
sedeki: pm?
jurov: your work is super sikrit?
sedeki: i'd rather not disclose my full time job no
jurov: hm, i don't have good experiences with folks with fulltime jobs
jurov: they are even slower than me
kakobrekla: yes job is poison
sedeki: i have to make a living somehow
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02943368 = 0.2943 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: sedeki: NSA or unemployed?
sedeki: unemployed
kakobrekla: nsa then.
asciilifeform: unemployed nsa grunt
jurov: maybe i can throw live.coinbr.com your way and let's see.. nsa needs proper graphs
kakobrekla: btcalpha?
jurov: btcalpha still does not have mpif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00085552 = 17.0676 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: huh?
assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
assbot: F.MPIF Analysis - Btc Alpha
jurov: oh it was added sry
mike_c: btcalpha - our motto is: never more than two months late.
jurov: anyway i have some code ready for really live updates and ticker it but it needs to be deployed and generally taken care of
BingoBoingo: I guess I provide some a five minute warning on an announcement concerning the sitting on the hands matter
atcbot: 12k@270 25k@269 18k@256 | 3k@150 50k@143 175k@142
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 256 Last Price: 256 24h-Vol: 188k High: 256 Low: 185 VWAP: 224
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 172931.71 in 1949 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -75.83
jurov: brb gotta do groceries.. sedeki pm me if interested
BingoBoingo: Basically next month's ATC statement will be less boring than lasts. Still to early to say if it is for better or worse.
bloctoc: !up blotoc
fluffypony: I vote for better, k thx
benkay: <bloctoc> !up blotoc // kek
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It is a market, not a democracy. If you want to vote to to the BitBet comments like everyone else.
bloctoc: benkay you laugh but it worked!
BingoBoingo: !up MarcSummers
mircea_popescu: motherfucker.
mike_c: you called?
mircea_popescu: so i set up a new desktop system, works fine. i go to bed.
mircea_popescu: i wake up, it powers up but a)no signal to monitor
mircea_popescu: b) won't even turn off. ie, hold power down 5 seconds ? nada.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ever heard of this.
fluffypony: I find modern desktop hardware incredibly finicky and unreliable
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0236 = 0.118 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I had Quantum Bigfoot TX 6gb drives that lasted like 8 years or something ridiculous
bloctoc: !up Littlep1
fluffypony: despite me experimenting to see if I could hot-swap an IDE drive
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sounds like you have to start posting girls to keep watch for gremlins while you sleep.
mircea_popescu: that for one thing
mircea_popescu: but for another thing, what sort of failure mode is this you tell me ?! fans spin, on both cpu and vid card, but monitor reports no signal and board ignores atx shutdown
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.01940015 = 0.2522 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: i mean what, the ite chip blew overnight out of loneliess ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile other board won't see any harddrives. because fuck you, who said a board should see hard drives ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.0190019 = 0.456 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, anyone waiting for mpex deposits/withdrawals will have to wait till tomorrow. with my apologies.
mike_c: clearly the additional hardware installed on your motherboard during transit is having side effects
BingoBoingo: Or perhaps the desired effects, maybe some sort of "Annoyotron" is hooked up to a JTAG port.
pankkake: I've had that, it was some electrical problem - fans spinning and nothing else happening
pankkake: had to remove stuff until I found the culprint
mike_c: what was the culprit?
mircea_popescu: and once the board is bare ?
pankkake: I don't remember wether it was a card or a hard drive
pankkake: I think I've had a hard drive block the boot, but it was even preventing the PSU from powering on
mircea_popescu: ya but see, this powers
mircea_popescu: i even tried to attach the speaker, but it makes no sound
mircea_popescu: i guess i'll have to chuck this board.
pankkake: some high end motherboards now have a status display - much easier to check for errors than beeps
mike_c: 20 year old dells have those too
mircea_popescu: well im just fucking pissed off tbh
pankkake: I hate those kind of issues
pankkake: one of the reasons I keep plenty of spare hardware
fluffypony: the Intel Blue Hills boards in our experimental rigs have a little 2 character LCD display
BingoBoingo: "Several years ago, I came across a ranking of careers based on overall desirability. "President of the United States" was somewhere in the lower-middle of the pack, because it offers the most power and prestige, but also has the highest workplace fatality rate, terrible job security, brutal hours, and relatively low wages given what presidential-type people could earn on the open market."
fluffypony: much more helpful than POST beeps
jurov: o looky someone needs trusted hardware monkey too
pankkake: wait, is it beeeeep bip beeeeeep or beeeep beeeep beeeeep?!
mike_c: BingoBoingo: that's just the published wages though
chetty: mine did that long beep, resetting memory fixed it
mircea_popescu: it does *silence*
mike_c: that means it's the NIC.
chetty: well I had silence too, before I hooked up the speaker for that
mircea_popescu: i hooked up my speaker
mircea_popescu: silence both wsays
mircea_popescu: what do you mean it's the nic ?!
mike_c: silence = nic. beeeep bip beeep = memory. beeeeep beeeeep beeeeep = power supply
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You also have to consider the 18% workplace mortality rate...
mike_c: but it depends on the model of motherboard
mircea_popescu: mike_c, are you serious ?! who even cares if the on board lan card works ?!
mike_c: (and i'm just kidding)
jurov: BingoBoingo: today the potus was in normandy on 70th anniversary, with putin, merkel, queen elizabeth and everyone, live tv.. i thought it would be the best setup for alien strike, but sadly nothing such happened
mike_c: BingoBoingo: plus it's gotta take significant years off your life even if it doesn't kill you in office.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Why would the Aliens strike the Queen, she's one of theirs...
jurov: i'd think there's agreement against top honchos of earth to be in one place
jurov: but then, mircea is safe in BA
mircea_popescu: im fucking unsafe, aparently someone's burning obscure bits off my hardware with a magical death ray
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pankkake: actually I remember a bug with NICs, where you had to unplug the computer for a few minutes to fix it (because it would force firmware reloading)
pankkake: and by unplug I mean really unplug, as the PSU would be still feeding the motherboard
ThickAsThieves: dead video card?
danielpbarron: <+mircea_popescu> who the fuck ever heard of this. << I had a similar experience with the old hardware that's been collecting dust in my room for the last 10 years
fluffypony: danielpbarron: you may need to get your room cleaned more often
mircea_popescu: did danielpbarron just get sent upstairs to clean his room ?
danielpbarron: i saved all the old machines i've used over the years, and recently started gutting them for parts to build a full node; glad I didn't throw all that stuff out
assbot: Confession of a Degenerate
BingoBoingo: Fucking Klye
mike_c: well, at least the money ended up in mpif.
BingoBoingo: "Suddenly everything I had been planning, all of what I was working towards, All of the investment I had sworn to use for good..
BingoBoingo: It crashed.. I went from 24 BTC down to 10 before I even stopped hitting the "lo" key on my martingale.
BingoBoingo: My heart sunk in my chest and I felt an unexplainable/unbearable pressure in my chest.
BingoBoingo: It was at that moment I realized that I had fucked over not only my investors, but myself and my reputation.
BingoBoingo: Frantically I began betting with the 10 BTC... Trying to recoup the loses I had just endured..
Mats_cd03: Fucking loled hard
BingoBoingo: This was all in vain however, I watched my balance drop like a stone in a pond.. I remember as the balance hit zero..
BingoBoingo: My feeble attempts to recover the BTC were met with tears shortly after it sunk in what I had just done.
BingoBoingo: The feeling was worse than anything you could possibly imagine.. Akin to losing a family member or worse." -MrKlye
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BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.35662385 BTC; +3.01016512 BTC (+1.7988%) since last check 2d 17h 37m 39s ago.
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 18377 BTC profit, 42.5k BTC invested, 1230.98 mio bets, 5.28 mio BTC wagered
jurov: one should do it like rg did.. martingaled satoshidice for lunch
jurov: then either asked someone to order it for him or was left hungry
fluffypony: what in fuck is wrong with these people
mircea_popescu: "This is a massive set back, which is entirely my fault.
mircea_popescu: I will continue to try to try and develop Klyemax and get revenue streams flowing.
mircea_popescu: so he's going to continue pestering the waitresses.
mircea_popescu: "yo bitch! wanna make some motherfuckin' money ? "
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fluffypony: yeah that was classic
fluffypony: "Most of which were used to purchase miners or cashed out and spent on drinks and VLT gambling at a local pub where I was attempting to get the waitresses to come work for me."
fluffypony: hey baby, baby, you want to be famous?
mircea_popescu: guy's waitress harem.
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com klye harem
gribble: NEXT: 04-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014>; NEXT: 03-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log - bitcoin-assets.com: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2014>; NEXT: 07-05-2014 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014&bots=true>
kakobrekla: "yo bitch! wanna make some motherfuckin'* money ? " *virtual
BingoBoingo: I swear the most useful side effect of recommending a 6 month reading and waiting period is to sort out the fucking Dice addicts.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: kinda relevant
kakobrekla: in the spirit of previous killing babies convo, you should send newbs directly to just-dice and see who comes out alive
kakobrekla: also raise the mpif stake inthere meantime.
fluffypony: I tried gambling when I was younger - read a bunch of books on playing Blackjack, played a whole lot of games against the computer, and then went to the casino with my $300
mike_c: srsly though, mpif nav is about to bust through the asks on the order book.
mike_c: get yer buy on!
fluffypony: managed to win a few hands and build that up to $600, was super proud of myself
fluffypony: and then lost it all
fluffypony: went and drew another $300
mircea_popescu: on cock-tail waitresses ?
fluffypony: and as I sat at the table I was like "what in actual fuck. this is such a scam"
assbot: Klyemax Studios Official (Cock) Tattoo (NSFW)
fluffypony: and I walked away
fluffypony: first and last time
mike_c: thank you assbot, for keeping me from clicking that link.
mircea_popescu: this klye thing is too good, i guess ima make an adnotated version.
Apocalyptic: how much did he manage to raise btw ?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You miss the point of casino blackjack
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: 25 BTC
mircea_popescu: 25 btc apparently.
Apocalyptic: hum, so clueless wannabe investor's pool hasn't dried up yet
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: The point of casino blackjack is to try to lose less money while getting the complimentary drinks that you would have spent on the drinks.
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: I kept not having drinks because I was worried I wouldn't be able to concentrate
mike_c: it has been scientifically proven that people believe they play better when tipsy. so drink up.
Mats_cd03: blackjack is predicated on your teammates not being fucking dumb
BingoBoingo: Seriously just buy ~$1000 in chips to just sit in front of you and play with a $100 bankroll from that pile. And watch the drinks come in.
mike_c: this guy is canadien, right? why do all these idiots sound like yoda? "Terribly saddened I am by what has gone on."
Mats_cd03: poor training in english
mike_c: omg. this was FOUR HOURS before the confession:
assbot: Pictures of your mining rigs!
BingoBoingo: Anyone else remember the KingofSPorts lolcow who got 1BTC from dooglus for writing a confessional about his gambling everything all the time and landing in rehab?
fluffypony: what is this obsession with buying mining equipment
fluffypony proudly owns exactly 0 aspics
mircea_popescu: ass pics ? lol
mircea_popescu: i got trillionz
fluffypony: hahh hah
fluffypony: thanks autocorrect
pankkake: antennas?!
mircea_popescu: "well i have a lots of tattoo the wings is spreading all over my chest and make it more bigger than the actual size and its very painful specialy when the needles hit my upper cleavage all the way down to the half of my boobs "
benkay: "recuperate the funds"
fluffypony: dooglus is going to have to remove his positive trust rating, lol
fluffypony: "Canadian Version of Amir Taaki."
mircea_popescu: "To all investors, I sincerely appologize for misusing the funds you have trusted me with.
mircea_popescu: It was never my intention to use the funds as I did, I had plans and budgets developed for them."
mircea_popescu: halmark of the forum ceo : does thinks he had no intention of doing.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 173891.58 in 1948 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -75.69
mircea_popescu: As stated before I will continue to pay out dividends to all invested. Thoughts of suicide have crossed my mind more than a few times in the past week but I am unable to leave my investors high and dry due to my lack of control."
mircea_popescu: dividends ?! but... how?
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 651.19, Best ask: 652.75, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 652.75, 24 hour volume: 6294.08765735, 24 hour low: 647.86, 24 hour high: 664.97, 24 hour vwap: 658.892216932
benkay: ;;calc 700 * 25
gribble: 17500
benkay: suicide?
benkay: 20k?
benkay: get a job.
Apocalyptic: As BayAreaCoin says
Apocalyptic: "Solo cam 8hrs a day blah blah blah"
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 256 Last Price: 150 24h-Vol: 191k High: 256 Low: 150 VWAP: 223
assbot: Army Vet Claims Scam After Ferrari Impounded For Not Being U.S. Spec
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 650.94, Best ask: 653.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.06000, Last trade: 650.94, 24 hour volume: 6351.61154980, 24 hour low: 647.86, 24 hour high: 664.97, 24 hour vwap: 658.892216932
kakobrekla: *drumroll*
kakobrekla: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.94 BTC)
kakobrekla: thanks to mike_c .
assbot: Xanadu Software Released After 54 Years In the Making - Slashdot
mike_c: w00t. thx kako.
BingoBoingo: Sweet work kakobrekla
kakobrekla: mike did the heavy lifting
thestringpuller: thanks mike_c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9145 @ 0.000857 = 7.8373 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !ticker m F.MPIF
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02343695 = 0.1641 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: ;;calc [!mpif --nav] - [!ticker m FMPIF --last]
gribble: Error: "!mpif" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: dammit.
kakobrekla: sorry i got it now
kakobrekla: ;;calc (- [!mpif --nav] [!ticker m FMPIF --last])
gribble: Error: "!mpif" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 330 @ 0.07493866 = 24.7298 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00085651 = 16.7019 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is it possible your flying problem beast suspects the transformer is either a buffet, or porn?
mike_c: oh, interesting. animal kingdom becomes interested after sola arrives.
mike_c: must be humming at the right frequency.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 9879 @ 0.00013 = 1.2843 BTC [-]
assbot: Twitter / nowthisnews: For the first time in history ...
assbot: We can neither confirm nor deny that this is our first tweet.
mike_c: that is actually funny.
FabianB: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 170.36972219 BTC; +0.01309834 BTC (+0.0077%) since last check 1h 25m 54s ago.
FabianB: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.95 BTC)
FabianB: !t m F.MPIF
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 / 0.00021725 (4601 shares, 1.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
FabianB: !t m S.BBET
assbot: [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00047 / 0.00047388 / 0.000481 (5148 shares, 2.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00047 / 0.00049732 / 0.000525 (55856 shares, 27.78 BTC)
thestringpuller: mike_c: your feed is better than OneFixt
mike_c: i don't know what OneFixt is, but thanks!
FabianB: a technical trader in -analysis
mike_c: ah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730004 = 0.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11993 @ 0.000857 = 10.278 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.22050101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.220501 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0234 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0749799 = 0.4499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00085873 = 10.2618 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: All that glitters: businessman 'who bought HK$270m of gold' ends up with metal bars | South China Morning Post
mircea_popescu: wait, just like germany ?
mike_c: they didn't even get metal bars
mircea_popescu: so he did better than govt. businessman indeed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00085944 = 3.6956 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2595 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> http://i.imgur.com/H6pKYrc.jpg << humans are born an ddie women
mircea_popescu: manhood happens briefly in the middle there
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> !mpif << sweet.
mircea_popescu: jdice 170 holy sheit
FabianB: anyone understands the mechanics behind fiat banks parking big integers at the ecb and why they would pay a fee for it? is storing these integers in their own systems more expensive?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 162.69600384 BTC to 77`492 shares, 209952 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: FabianB, because in order for fractional reserve to work, banks have to have some fractoion deposited with central bank.
mircea_popescu: they eat a -.1% on 20% so they may make 8% pon 80% or w/e it is they make
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0730007 = 0.73 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: (that's a summary. the reality is more complex but not substantially different)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 5000 @ 0.00029106 = 1.4553 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: sadly i lack a cutter shop in this part of the world, so we'll never know if mike_c had it and the mobos had stuff added.
mircea_popescu: visual inspection doesnt yield anything interesting
FabianB: makes sense to eat a loss for the smaller part, gotta think about it why fractional reserve is needed when you have too much capital anyway
jurov: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021697 BTC (Total: 433.95 BTC)
mircea_popescu: too much capital ? you gotta be kidding
mircea_popescu: eu banks currently lack about 3.5 trn
FabianB: not capital, liquidity
mircea_popescu: no. actual capital.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07459067 = 0.7459 BTC [+] {3}
FabianB: i mean i used the wrong word
FabianB: they store their excess liquidity at the ecb
jurov: how's that? they bought shitty bonds for 3.5trn?
mircea_popescu: not bonds per se.
mike_c: no one told them that triple A mortgage bonds were worthless.
mircea_popescu: just, general underwriting.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0744999 = 0.447 BTC [-]
jurov: bash flushed
mircea_popescu: o you be mod ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07460095 = 0.5222 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: :]
mircea_popescu: the chines ehave found the cheapest allow that's still "metal"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0745 = 0.149 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the guts of current pc cases are so soft they bend more than pcbs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0745 = 0.149 BTC [-]
mike_c: ;;calc (1 / 2000000) + 0.00021697
gribble: 0.00021747
assbot: UBER UBER ALLES: Investors value ride app at $17 BEEELLION The Register
fluffypony: of course Uber is worth $17 billion
fluffypony: I can totally see that
fluffypony: PS. I'm valuing my next company at $1 billion despite it having accomplished very little and/or nothing
mircea_popescu: wasnt wats up 21bn ?
mike_c: uber has done more than most. getting operations in place in so many cities/countries is not trivial.
mike_c: they have to fight the taxi commission everywhere they go
mircea_popescu: mike_c, whats your def of "operations| ?
BingoBoingo: Hiring existing livery companies
BingoBoingo: Paying them to expand
BingoBoingo: Beyond that Uber just seems to have an App
mike_c: you don't think they have their own staff all over the place?
mike_c: obv not drivers
BingoBoingo: Sure, they have a call center.
BingoBoingo: Most of Uber though is simply outsourcing to existing operators.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007351 = 0.147 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22700 @ 0.00085864 = 19.4911 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: And on that note I'm off.
mike_c: are you fking kidding me. halep in the finals??
Apocalyptic: It reminded me of mircea when I heard the news
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.073 = 0.73 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0745 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00007351 = 0.1103 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> you don't think they have their own staff all over the place? << perhaps you grossly overestimate what that's worth.
mircea_popescu: i also have my own staff all over the place
mike_c: not what it's worth, i was just saying they've put in more work than most.
mircea_popescu: a that. yes, easily granted.
mircea_popescu: most just get the ap and aws instances.
mircea_popescu: but you know, coca-cola (100bn in assets or so) has... factories all over the place.
mike_c: clearly you have staff in france.. top 3 seeds out at garros?? halep in the finals??
mircea_popescu: and that does mean everywhere, turkmenistan and ghana are equally covered
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i just tend to bet on the right tits.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 27 @ 0.07242624 = 1.9555 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: here's a true story. when i was in hs they had a sort of homecoming thing, picking teh prettiest chick at the party. as a personal favour, tehy were going to proclaim the chick i went with miss our highschool.
mike_c: yeah. but uber has some possibilities because they aren't fucking sharing photos. they are selling taxi rides.
mircea_popescu: except... she wasn't going there.
mike_c: my wife was miss-her-high-school.
mike_c: just sayin.. i married up.
mircea_popescu: dun worry, looks don't last.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07100001 = 0.781 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: yeah, another 20 years and she will be the lucky one :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07233393 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: by the way, this fking halep thing exposes another great money maker. Bettors clearly undervalue low probability events.
mike_c: not one person other than mp bet on halep.
mircea_popescu: i think few people actually knew her back story.
mircea_popescu: a woman willing to part with a juicy set of hooters just to play tennis well probably will train harder than your average.
asciilifeform went to visit meatspace people, came back, bird... still working.
mircea_popescu: dude shoot it already
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26088709 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: clever bugger knows exactly where to go
asciilifeform reads logs, no doubt missed all the good stuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5427 @ 0.00086131 = 4.6743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14953 @ 0.00085744 = 12.8213 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: re uber: it's the perfect way to roll out a robo-fleet
other_mp: hm, so you can actually have multiple accounts id'dasthesame gpg id ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, other_mp: ...board ignores atx shutdown << cpu is stopped
other_mp: asciilifeform nah, cpu fan carried on
asciilifeform: fan yes, cpu no
other_mp: so board is shot basically
asciilifeform: fan is normally hardwired to +12v
asciilifeform: dollars to doughnuts, bad vreg
mike_c: ;;ident other_mp
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'other_mp', with hostmask 'other_mp!~Mircea@190.172.18.16', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
other_mp: ;;ident mircea_popescu
gribble: Nick 'mircea_popescu', with hostmask 'mircea_popescu!~satoshi@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu', is identified as user 'mircea_popescu', with GPG key id 8A736F0E2FB7B452, key fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452, and bitcoin address None
asciilifeform: either that or mp has defective u.s. implant and i have a defective nsa camerabird.
jborkl: sup ladies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] [PAID] 12.01217590 BTC to 29`438 shares, 40805 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, mike_c: transformer/bird hypothesis: beautiful, but one problem. wrong room.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 261 @ 0.00300101 = 0.7833 BTC [-] {3}
other_mp: so from my local newspaper (which helpfully includes three pages of stock and equity listings, you should see these things) :
other_mp: cayeron 2% las escrituraciones de abril.
other_mp: las operaciones de compraventa de inmuebles durante abril en la ciudad de buenos aires alcanzaron las 2681 operaciones por un monto de $2000 miliones
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07299714 = 0.876 BTC [+] {2}
other_mp: en la comparacion interanual, las escrituras se redujeron 2.1% y de acuerdo al colegio de escribanos, la cantidad total aumeno un 20.6% respecto del mes anterior que registro 2223
other_mp: basically, they had 2.5k building sales in april for an average value per building of
other_mp: ;;calc 2000 / 2681
gribble: 0.745990302126
other_mp: 750k per.
other_mp: what does the esteemed chan think, mike_c, fluffypony, los_pantalones : am i fucking insane to contemplate a ba real estate investment vehicle for btc ?
mike_c: yes
mike_c: i don't speak spanish, but i doubt that said "10x in a year"
other_mp: btc wasn;t 50 bux in 2013.
other_mp: for that matter, btc was 1.2k in jan
mike_c: btc actually was 50 bux in 2013
other_mp: moar like 100 i thought
mike_c: last time it was 50 was mid-march 2013
benkay: residential, other_mp ?
other_mp: i don't know enough about the market to even guess.
other_mp: more interested to settle theprinciple first, then maybe more canbe squeezed from such optimisations
mike_c: to put this in perspective. it's August 2013. price is $100. "the price was $240 in april, hasn't moved in months"
benkay: my intel suggests that residential is not a good play. not enough buyers to support the market, too much inventory to support rents at a rate that accomodates inflation, plus buyers favor newer properties over anything else
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0730007 = 0.146 BTC [+]
benkay: there is the thing called buying the hole, where you buy a building or some fraction thereof during/prior to construction for some 30% discount. whether or not the position is liquidatable later, i cannot speak to.
benkay: commercial otoh rents for acceptable rates/
other_mp: benkay you can generally get about 1 dollar / sqft out of tourists/foreigners from what i see.
other_mp: it doesn't cost you 20 dollars/sqft to acquirethe space.
benkay: occupancy rate
benkay: cost per acquisition
other_mp: i intend to import as many sane people as possible.
other_mp: mike_c very hard to argue with that.
asciilifeform: isn't ar one of those places where they love expropriation/dekulakization?
other_mp: asciilifeform nope.
benkay: not that i'm terribly sane, but i'm working on it
other_mp: you should see the jewish section btw.
benkay: expropriation happens with oil deposits in ars, from what i've heard.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0730008 = 0.146 BTC [+]
other_mp: mike_c especially cxonsideringthe sinergies involved. a successful plata valley would by and of itself drive up btc price, hurting the very thing that made it possible
asciilifeform: benkay: so drill first, if dry -> safe ?
mike_c: heh, yeah.
mike_c: kinda like using btc to develop quantum computers that destroy btc
other_mp: what would you have me do ;/
mike_c: what, you got too much time on your hands?
asciilifeform: hurting the very thing that made it possible << thermodynamics suggests that this is kinda inevitable for just about anything worthwhile
other_mp: exactly.
benkay: plata valley?
other_mp: yes. silicon is on the outs.
benkay: ah i see.
other_mp: theory being that the real estate problems of san francisco today result from poor historical management
benkay: low density?
other_mp: perhaps had the whole thing been managed by a corp into which the inerested parties could buy interest
other_mp: things'd have worked better
other_mp: trying to explore this theory.
benkay: envisioning a walled compound in bsas?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
other_mp: why walled ?
other_mp: it's unsanitary for you to not be periodically raped.
benkay: thinking about previous comments re nazis
other_mp: how's that thinking go ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00085514 = 5.3874 BTC [-]
benkay: well poorly
asciilifeform: afaik the nazitowns weren't walled in
other_mp: lmao
asciilifeform: (what's there now?)
benkay: ibid the memory-ing
other_mp: mike_c does it sound any saner now ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0730009 = 0.511 BTC [+]
benkay: brains a little fried from an afternoon of porking and lifting
mike_c: but it's still an expense, not an investment
other_mp: porking = sex ?
benkay: mhm
other_mp: mike_c if the expense saves 2x the expense for 100 different peopel
other_mp: then the word for that expense is investment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.072 = 0.72 BTC [-]
mike_c: right, but if that money could have grown 10x instead of 2x..
mike_c: it's a fiat investment, not a btc investment
other_mp: yes dude but we can't plant all farmland with pot.
other_mp: munchies of doom
mike_c: that's fine, but don't tel me that growing corn instead of pot is an investment
mike_c: it may be an appropriate expense, but still an expense.
other_mp: i don't lol. monsanto does.
asciilifeform: m doesn't grow corn, it grows w0rldd0mination
asciilifeform: the chumpers grow the 'corn'
other_mp: ;;google adm
gribble: ADM: Home: <http://www.adm.com/>; ADM: Careers: <http://www.adm.com/careers/Pages/default.aspx>; Archer Daniels Midland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_Daniels_Midland>
other_mp: 90bn revenue on 40bn assets.
mike_c: 40b assets + 23b liabilities, but still, that's impressive.
mike_c: oh, nevermind. 1.3 bn in income.
mike_c: keep your corn.
other_mp: hehehe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0721021 = 0.3605 BTC [-]
other_mp: but are they investments or are they expenses.
mike_c: lots of investments in the world. t-bills are an investment.
mike_c: i wouldn't sink any btc into them
other_mp: myeah
mike_c: I used to think bitbet was an investment until halep pranced her way into the finals.
BingoBoingo: ADM basically runs on the Uber model, little actual infrastructure (a few hub) and a lot of subcontractors.
other_mp: BingoBoingo yup.
other_mp: a lot of those big bn figures are various consolidations
BingoBoingo has seen the ADM elevators on the Mississippi coast of Western IL
BingoBoingo: ADM is basically a bank whose currency is grain
other_mp: mike_c sometimes i suspect your investment philosophy is roughly the equivalent of the kid that'll only eat cake.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.2696768 = 2.6968 BTC [+] {8}
ThickAsThieves: in case anyone is interested, maybe asciilifeform https://github.com/blockerupter
assbot: Block Erupter GitHub
ThickAsThieves: AsicMiner's reference design
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: no useful src there (for core)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 29 @ 0.2940617 = 8.5278 BTC [+] {12}
mike_c: if you have identified a small set of awesome investments, why would you put money in something else that is worse?
mike_c: cake is goood
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26092857 BTC [-]
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021705 BTC (Total: 434.12 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021599 / 0.00021725 (15651 shares, 3.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00021536 / 0.00021709 / 0.00021726 (125310 shares, 27.20 BTC)
mike_c: unless of course, you have too much money. in which case I recommend reading this article: http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/
assbot: The problem of too much money pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07210555 = 0.7211 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.02382848 = 0.3336 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: well, because if there isn't a universe available and everyone rides on thesame pole we'll sink.
mircea_popescu: consider : if only the things that you'd invest in existed, what would you do for food ?
mike_c: there is a universe available. some people buy t-bills.
mike_c: and some people buy RENT
mike_c: !t h RENT
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00379000 / 0.00384114 / 0.00449999 (205 shares, 0.78743415 BTC), 7D: 0.00280000 / 0.00375268 / 0.00470000 (1999 shares, 7.50160646 BTC), 30D: 0.00280000 / 0.00538448 / 0.00710000 (6959 shares, 37.47058930 BTC)
BingoBoingo: ;;bc, stats
gribble: Error: "bc," is not a valid command.
mike_c: all I'm saying, is that if you create a BA REIT, it will decline in BTC value over the next couple years.
mike_c: and i'd be happy to bitbet back that opinion up :)
thestringpuller: mike_c: will you ever review any mining investments?
mike_c: thestringpuller: i've looked into some. but it's hard to find any worth reviewing.
mircea_popescu: mike_c couple of years is no concern, i don't see how one could fit all the required research in one year.
mircea_popescu: how about the next five years ?
thestringpuller: wow it's that bad huh?
thestringpuller: @ mike_c
mike_c: mircea_popescu: when would you make the first purchase?
mircea_popescu: 2 years +- 6 months i guess
mircea_popescu: "during 2016"
mike_c: hard to say then.. would need crystal ball.
mircea_popescu: interesting.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.0281025 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: but my guess is it wouldn't change
mircea_popescu: what, it just goes to the moon perpetually ?
mike_c: what is BTC stabilization point? when do we get there? I don't think 2016
mike_c: obviously $8bn is a joke. it can't stay there.
mircea_popescu: what's 8 bn ?
mike_c: current mkt cap
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 648.83, Best ask: 653.26, Bid-ask spread: 4.43000, Last trade: 648.7, 24 hour volume: 6528.19016546, 24 hour low: 647.21, 24 hour high: 664.5, 24 hour vwap: 0
benkay: is there a gribble command to get issued coins?
mircea_popescu: "it was only sometime between 1910 and 1912 ...that a random patient, with a random disease, consulting a doctor chosen at random, had, for the first time in the history of mankind, a better than 50-50 chance of profiting from the encounter."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 108 @ 0.00187577 = 0.2026 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0744998 = 0.5215 BTC [+]
mike_c: ;;calc 12864025 * [ticker --last]
gribble: 8347465822.5
mike_c: $8.3 bn
mircea_popescu: obviously it won't stay here.
mike_c: ;;calc 35274*170000*1200
gribble: 7195896000000
mike_c: that's how much all the gold is worth
benkay: mike_c: where'd you get 12864025?
mircea_popescu: i doubt that's relevant.
mike_c: benkay: blockr.io
mircea_popescu: 20x world gdp seems the measure to me
mike_c: so you say $2 trillion, gold is worth $7 trillion, so let's say btc is going to be worth $1 trillion
mike_c: ;;calc 20000000 / 1e12
gribble: Error: unexpected EOF while parsing (<string>, line 1)
mircea_popescu: let's say "trillions" and be happy
mircea_popescu: ;;totalbtc
gribble: Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: ;;totalbc
gribble: 12864125.0
mircea_popescu: benkay ^
mike_c: so wtf is that.. $50k btc price?
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
mike_c: won't be there by 2016 i don't think.
gribble: Current Blocks: 304564 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1867 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes, and 56 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11627917352.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.09415
mircea_popescu: mike_c why not ? 10x two years.
mike_c: maybe, but maybe the last 10x takes a bit longer. hence crystal ball.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07256041 = 0.653 BTC [-]
mike_c: plus, $50k is 1 trillion. could end up at 2t, or 5t
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, stabilisation is prolly between 100k and 1mn
mircea_popescu: or, amusingly, at the point where 1 inmueble goes for 1 btc
mike_c: at that point, i will invest in the REIT :)
asciilifeform: in other news, persistent bird finally appears to have ended up at end of the line - in cat.
mike_c: finally. darwin wins.
BingoBoingo: Did the cat reveal any odd configurations in the flybeast?
asciilifeform: haven't found any remains, so not 100% sure. but thick & contented cat now sitting on the shit perch.
mircea_popescu: who was hating on religion earlier ?
mircea_popescu: "60 Religion Protects You From Bad Science --Medicine, Expert Problems, and the Rationality of Temples" quoth taleb.
mike_c: thestringpuller: there are safer ways to invest in bitcoin difficulty besides mining companies. like x.idiff. way less chance of scam.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.26 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i do believe that' ssound, too. by making people deaf to arguments, religion makes people deaf to bad arguments
mircea_popescu: which explains why burka wearing islamic women are not nearly as annoying as reddit dwelling us women.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00253949 = 0.2666 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I guess feline disassembly and analysis isn't warranted until it catches another defective flybeast...
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
benkay: bitbet's also a good way to make money on mining without ever touching miners
benkay: just lay odds on diff bets as soon as they appear
benkay goes off to update his oddsheet
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on the contrary, i should like to tame this one. he likes to sit in the window box (once contained plants) near my work room.
mike_c: asciilifeform: lol. you need to stitch that as the last frame of your earlier video :)
asciilifeform: same animal that appeared to tunnel under house (cat, afaik, cannot actually tunnel)
mircea_popescu: cats will dig, sure.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Probably ought to leave it some incentives to continue its air defence mission.
asciilifeform: afaik only to bury turd
mircea_popescu: not a s proficient as a hound that smelled a rat, but still
mircea_popescu: they can digup a mouse
asciilifeform: cat experts, chime in - can the animal tunnel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27988 @ 0.00085423 = 23.9082 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: the moral of the story appears to be: 'longcat is long.'
ThickAsThieves: ive never seen a cat tunnel, but i also havent been around many outdoor cats
asciilifeform: moiety awake?
ThickAsThieves: raccoons will do it tho
ThickAsThieves: raccoons are like idiot cats
mircea_popescu: and more powerful
mircea_popescu: !up handsomesally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8021 @ 0.00085467 = 6.8553 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: who are you, handsomesally ?
handsomesally: calvinism is the only way that makes sense in the way of salvation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: taleb link << mighty interesting
mircea_popescu: guy has a fucking point.
mircea_popescu: it is better to be stupid and appear stupid than to be stupid and appear a ceo.
handsomesally: heretics claim god loves everyone
handsomesally: thats a lie, John 3:16 greek is kosmos and it dosent mean everyone
mircea_popescu: it does mean "everything" which is close enough.
handsomesally: so in So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are not doing any good; look, the world has gone after Him." John 12:19 everyone in the world went after him?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: closeenough
handsomesally: or For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” John 6:33
handsomesally: Jesus gives life to the world? everyone? if that is everyone in the world then everyone goes to heaven but that is not true
mircea_popescu: been there or how'd you know
mircea_popescu: the line where life is a divine gift has plenty of exploratory history, not liable to end up tripping.
handsomesally: and god does not love everyone
handsomesally: Every evil of theirs is in Gilgal; there I began to hate them. Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of my house. I will love them no more; all their princes are rebels. Hosea 9:15
punkman: hello, is this biblebot?
mike_c: ;;ident handsomesally
gribble: Nick 'handsomesally', with hostmask 'handsomesally!~handsomes@73.186.45.139', is not identified.
mircea_popescu: punkman moar like sa trying to pick a fight with danielpbarron and or luke
assbot: Select Sermons - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11850 @ 0.00085361 = 10.1153 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.275 = 0.55 BTC [+]
handsomesally: whos assbot
punkman: handsomesally: so you are into calvinism?
handsomesally: what if i am?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.273 = 0.546 BTC [-]
handsomesally: you an arminian?
asciilifeform: i've always wanted to ask an actual live calvinist! : wtf do they bother to attend church, carry out services, etc. if predestined.
handsomesally: i dont go to any churches in my area they all preach "god loves you soooo much" when in reality he dosent love everyone
handsomesally: and predestination is biblical
handsomesally: arminians reject that God chooses us
punkman: are you a chosen one?
asciilifeform: calvinism always sounded like a pretty easy religion to follow. i.e. just do whatever you want
handsomesally: elect? IDK, called yes
mike_c: catholics do that too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00085322 = 10.6226 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: !down handsomesally
punkman: it was predestined
BingoBoingo: !up handsomesally
BingoBoingo: handsomesally: Did danielpbarron refer you here?
handsomesally: danielpbarron?
BingoBoingo: handsomesally: He also follows a peculiar form of Xtianity
handsomesally: athiest
handsomesally: no he didnt
handsomesally: but you need to repent, god will send you to hell if you dont repent from your athiesm(although you cant unless he opens your heart)
asciilifeform: wait since when does this work in calvinism
handsomesally: asciilifeform: what?
benkay: you two are unsaveable.
handsomesally: so you claim calvinists cant be saved?
BingoBoingo: I thought the point was Calvinists were already saved
benkay: handsomesally: if i'm talking to you, you'll know.
handsomesally: if your predestined to be saved you will be saved
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0741998 = 1.484 BTC [+]
handsomesally: the reason why people abhor calvinism is because it stresses predestination which it does
handsomesally: and limited atonement everyone believes in it
thestringpuller: !ticker m X.IDIFF.JUN
assbot: Have you got any tobacco?
thestringpuller: !ticker m IDIFF.JUN
assbot: It's so strange that you don't remember any of your poetry.
benkay: spelling and grammar: irrelevant concerns for the religious.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0741999 = 0.6678 BTC [+] {2}
handsomesally: i dont care about grammar
benkay: just the old sky faerie, eh?
danielpbarron: <+handsomesally> calvinism is the only way that makes sense in the way of salvation << calvanists deny 1 Timothy 2:6 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1+timothy+2%3A3-7&version=NKJV
assbot: 1 timothy 2:3-7 NKJV - For this is good and acceptable in the - Bible Gateway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07424 = 0.3712 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: what have you done BingoBoingo
punkman: #bitcoin-bible-study-group
BingoBoingo: benkay: Offering bashable foder
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0DRDB98.txt )
mike_c: kakobrekla: now that idiff's are relevant, would it be hard to add to add !t m support?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07487378 = 2.1713 BTC [+] {4}
thestringpuller: i don't think there is any volume to show mike_c
punkman: plot twist: #bitcoin-bible-study-group is about trilema
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com Tits
gribble: People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/people-have-made-blogs/>; Find out just how human your girlfriend really is* pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/find-out-just-how-human-your-girlfriend-really-is>; A practical exercise for people who can't afford airfare. pe Trilema ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/a-practical-exercise-for- (1 more message)
handsomesally: so your saying jesus died for everyone and everyone goes to heaven
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07498998 = 1.1998 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: you're
benkay: your is posessive
BingoBoingo: handsomesally: Who said Jesus was dead, I was cutting some lawns with him this morning...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.075 = 4.05 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: $vwap x.idiff.jun
BingoBoingo follows an aschetic works based aetherism...
kakobrekla: mike_c the problem is not assbot, the problem is mpex
mike_c: aah
danielpbarron: <+handsomesally> thats a lie, John 3:16 greek is kosmos and it dosent mean everyone << This is a lie. Romans 3:6 uses this same term, and it speaks of God judging the world in the future. It is undeniably clear God is going to judge "every individual of mankind who has ever lived" (Psalm 9:8; 96:13; 98:9; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14; 2 Corinthians 5:10; 1 Peter 4:17).
benkay: "lie"
benkay: ffs
benkay: false import
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu you are missing diffs on mpex-vwap.php
mike_c: thestringpuller: there is. couple hundred btc have been sold this period at least
handsomesally: danielpbarron: so you pull a verse out of context huh, John 6:33 says "For the bread of God is he who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”" so saying John 3:16 equals god loves everyone means jesus gives life everyone to the world which is a lie as not everyone is saved moreover god dosent love everyone hosea 9:15 refutes that
benkay: !down handsomesally
danielpbarron: <+handsomesally> so in So the Pharisees said to one another, "You see that you are not doing any good; look, the world has gone after Him." John 12:19 everyone in the world went after him? << the key words here might be, "the Pharisees said"
benkay: now, about those idiffs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02808 = 0.2808 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: benkay: Well, there's an argument over greek nao, that's a change from the usual kinds of language wars
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 116 @ 0.02341497 = 2.7161 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.01978915 = 0.1781 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: lolya rly interdasted in heady theology from people who can't figure out "your" vs "you're".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2640 @ 0.00007294 = 0.1926 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 211 @ 0.00177456 = 0.3744 BTC [-] {6}
thestringpuller: mike_c: hmm wish it would show up on the volume on mpex
mike_c: yeah.. that is odd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 596 @ 0.00016823 = 0.1003 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla possibly omitted cause 0
mircea_popescu: ill have it lookt into
kakobrekla: oix is 0 too and is there
mike_c: thestringpuller: mayhaps just rolled over 30d. last trade i see in logs is http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-05-2014#663257
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 727 @ 0.00016306 = 0.1185 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0732497 = 1.6115 BTC [-] {7}
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 304569 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1862 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes, and 23 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11546245801.6 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.78884
thestringpuller: mike_c: oh wow it is relevant now heh
thestringpuller: thanks for pointing this out lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.02791351 = 0.335 BTC [-] {3}
mike_c: it is a very cool thing whose time may have finally come.
mircea_popescu: "Kadú es en la actualidad el único fetish bar de Buenos Aires donde nos reunimos los gays leather locales y donde acuden también muchos visitantes extranjeros, los sábados desde las 10 de la noche. Consta de un bar y un sótano donde la acción sexual está garantizada: las prácticas del BDSM más habituales son el fisting, las lluvias (para las que, a diferencia de los anteriores clubes, hay un sector específico), el nipple
thestringpuller: indirect mining investment eh? Guess it can be a way to access mining...
mircea_popescu: menos frecuencia se dan algunas sesiones de bondage, spanking o whiping, para las cuales el establecimiento provee de los accesorios necesarios. El código de vestimenta es estricto: cuero, látex, uniformes. "
mircea_popescu: god help them they suck
danielpbarron: <+handsomesally> Jesus gives life to the world? everyone? if that is everyone in the world then everyone goes to heaven but that is not true << Scripture teaches that a person can believe in vain (1 Corinthians 15:2), receive the grace of God in vain (2 Corinthians 6:1), and even be sanctified by the blood of the covenant (Hebrews 10:29), and still end up in hell (Revelation 21:8). If a person's life questionably matches wh
mircea_popescu: !up Hoodmin
mike_c: daniel, he's gone. it's ok.
[]bot: Bet created: "Billy Hamilton Rookie of the Year" http://bitbet.us/bet/887/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
benkay: no suits?
danielpbarron: mike_c, heh, i was up in the scroll; didn't know he left
danielpbarron: but apparently he's reading the logs through the website, so he'll probably see this anyway
mike_c: or you can PM him :)
mircea_popescu: an even better idea
[]bot: Bet created: "Lewis Hamilton to win 2014 F1 World Champion" http://bitbet.us/bet/888/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.287 = 0.574 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.288 = 0.576 BTC [+]
assbot: Clarkson eats an Ortolan bunting - YouTube
decimation: I suspect your crazed fowl wouldn't be as tasty as a real ortolan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [+]
decimation: re: religious people: The religious zealots who bother in me are those who have turned marxism into godless Christianity - they hold the whip hand in the west for now
mircea_popescu: !up Vrontis
mircea_popescu: "The Better Business Bureau in Austin has issued a warning about doing business with Cointerra, a Bitcoin mining manufacturer."
decimation: asciilifeorm: I made contact with Mr. Parker, his tool was to create hdl code from a 7400 netlist, not the other way
mircea_popescu: !up mthreat
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mthreat 1 new blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mthreat has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: actually
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mthreat 1 had coffee
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mthreat has changed from 1 to 1.
decimation: in related news, apparently these people make GHz rate 7400 parts: http://www.potatosemi.com/potatosemiweb/74Logic.html
assbot: Potato Semiconductor 74 Logic
Mats_cd03: theology and quibbling over scripture and doctrine is so fucking dumb
Mats_cd03: a waste of cycles to so much as hold the thought in your head
Mats_cd03: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 304571 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1860 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 13 hours, 50 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11600761528.4 | Estimated Percent Change: -1.32514
Mats_cd03: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 647.83, Best ask: 649.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.60000, Last trade: 649.26, 24 hour volume: 6364.35989286, 24 hour low: 647.13, 24 hour high: 662.13, 24 hour vwap: 657.244722223
decimation: the downside: $3 for a NAND chip
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.0279004 = 0.1674 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.076 = 0.152 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 18 @ 0.02788335 = 0.5019 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0764 = 0.382 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: notta lotta action
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7517 @ 0.00085285 = 6.4109 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 were you going for norway?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00253649 = 0.142 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: what are you referring to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2948926 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: someone wanted to ove to norway
dooglus: Re: <+BingoBoingo> Anyone else remember the KingofSPorts lolcow who got 1BTC from dooglus for writing a confessional about his gambling everything all the time and landing in rehab?
mircea_popescu: !up jadne
dooglus: uh, no
dooglus: I didn't give him anything did I?
mircea_popescu: i thought it was a little odd
mike_c: hey dooglus, how's it going. big day on JD today!
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 18429 BTC profit, 43.0k BTC invested, 1231.52 mio bets, 5.28 mio BTC wagered
mike_c: 5750 wagered, nicely above average.
dooglus: crazy day, yes. at least 4 major incidents in the last 24h
mircea_popescu: incidents ?
dooglus: whale LiKaShing deposits 20 BTC, and has it immediately withdrawn by sources unknown. claims site is hacked
Mats_cd03: so much for martingale
dooglus: fake theymos loses fortune
dooglus: klye admits to spunking porn ipo fund over just-dice
mike_c: yeah, that was a good one
mike_c: what did you do about likashing?
dooglus: and pippin after discovering the joy of investing in jd instead of losing, loses all
mike_c: lol
mircea_popescu: obsesivel read logs and code ?
Namworld: Hey dooglus
dooglus: I kind of accused him of trying to make the site look bad
dooglus: hey Namworld
dooglus: that mike is still badmouthing CR in hs thread
mircea_popescu: dooglus i don't imagine 20 btc s the largest cash deposit
mike_c: did you offer any kind of evidence or just lean on your rep?
mike_c: just curious about how you deal with that kind of thing. must be reasonably common to get scam accused.
dooglus: I don't have any evidence. someone used his URL to access his account...
dooglus: it's quite rare, other than the rigtards "7 lo in a row! impossibru!"
mike_c: user 798461 last 24 hours: wagered 2,838 lost 565. ouch.
Namworld: eh, I can't do much more about it.
dooglus: weird rating system. the more trouble her has with the site, th more checkmarks you get for customer support
dooglus: he never had a problem with JD, so we get none
Namworld: Well to hell with it. If he's not happy not having instant support.
Namworld: We can't currently offer that.
dooglus: I expect MP's buttcoin was Klye's first experience with selling his body for tips
dooglus: I just linked to MPIF in a reddit comment btw
assbot: dooglus comments on Someone calling themselves "theymos" is gambling like mad on Just-Dice
dooglus: called it "well known"
mircea_popescu: did you get banned ?
dooglus: didn't check yet
dooglus: you're banned from reddit?
mircea_popescu: uh i never had anaccount
mircea_popescu: just, average redditard gets butthurt when reminded mpex exists
mircea_popescu: plenty of people still around that "invested" in glbse and predicted mpex' imminent closure back in 2012 etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.01980034 = 0.396 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0237999 = 0.1666 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: why do all the fun topics like horseporn start up when I go to sleep?!
TheNewDeal: does anyone have any intel on who created the WTI bet / why?
bitcoinpete: !up CryptoConsultor
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
CryptoConsultor: Right awn. Thanks
CryptoConsultor: Fresh meat in the house
bitcoinpete: i met CryptoConsultor at our local meet-up the other week and he asked for a q&a… naturally i brought him here
bitcoinpete: lol yup
bitcoinpete: so shoot away
CryptoConsultor: Feels good to jump on IRC again. It's been a while
TheNewDeal: bitcoinpete you liking the looks of your Bastille Day purchase?
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: more and more :D
bitcoinpete: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 304590 | Current Difficulty: 1.1756551916903952E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 306431 | Next Difficulty In: 1841 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 23 hours, 9 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11836591652.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 0.68081
TheNewDeal: .68!!!
bitcoinpete: ya, it was like 13 this morning
bitcoinpete: no idea wtf
dooglus: there's a pending bet on bitbet about Klye's longevity
TheNewDeal: network has been hashing quite slow since the diff change...
dooglus: but it's phrased as a disjunction, so I doubt it will b acceptable
bitcoinpete: dooglus: i read the logs earlier… how does kyle have any longevity left?
bitcoinpete: dood is toast
dooglus: he hopes the bet is accepted so he can advise his creditors to vote "o" then top himself
dooglus: "no"*
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: ya and a bunch of hashpower skipped down like 2 hours before the reset
bitcoinpete: dooglus: kyle proposed this bet??
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu is there a problem with trilema credits? I'm suddenly able to browse quite freely when using my 4G piped through my phone
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: 3g/4g always gives fresh ip addresses me thinks
bitcoinpete: or something to that effect
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: you getting wotted up?
bitcoinpete: Apocalyptic:hum, so clueless wannabe investor's pool hasn't dried up yet << but it's shrivelling like a salted slug
CryptoConsultor: digesting WoT info now
CryptoConsultor: So your assbot can cryptokey your Ident?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0765 = 0.153 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: gribble does that
bitcoinpete: assbot is for voice
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: wait, just like germany ? << lulz it's a new trend!
dooglus: bitcoinpete: I don't think so
CryptoConsultor: i see. you find bitcoin info loaded more on freenet servers?
CryptoConsultor: My old running ground was EFnet
CryptoConsultor: definatly feel a bit rusty with my web skillz. Industrial work has made me soft
bitcoinpete: dooglus: a misunderstood then. either way, betting on that kid is as sensical as that kid's betting
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: well spend 6 months reading logs here and derusting and you'll be good as new
CryptoConsultor: so much to digest already. you place this place highest in priority?
CryptoConsultor: should have just started here dangit
CryptoConsultor: feelin so left out of the last 3 fun years
bitcoinpete: yup, no higher priority than right here
assbot: Tony Bennett & Bill Evans - Young And Foolish - YouTube
CryptoConsultor: It's rough these days to find the time to be the grand lurker I used to be
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: PS. I'm valuing my next company at $1 billion despite it having accomplished very little and/or nothing << what were we gonna ipo again? iWalletBackup inspired by usagi?
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: i hear ya but there's no other way
bitcoinpete: it's 2-3 hours per day
bitcoinpete: every day
CryptoConsultor: That's tough to find as a single dad with 2 careers
bitcoinpete: mike_c:are you fking kidding me. halep in the finals?? << against the blonde bomber!
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: i bet man
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1791 @ 0.00085257 = 1.527 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: well, at least you can outsource some of the research to me :D
CryptoConsultor: If I can navigate these crtpto waters I should hopefully phase out my industrial life
CryptoConsultor: I miss tech land
CryptoConsultor: You got your start here before the madness?
bitcoinpete: i started reading logs in december last year
bitcoinpete: just about… 6 months ago
bitcoinpete: and the yeshiva doesn't end there
bitcoinpete: ;;google bitcoinpete irc yeshiva
gribble: Bitcoin Pete (bitcoinpete) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete>; IRC Yeshiva | When Bitcoin Met Pete: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/17/irc-yeshiva/>; Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | When Bitcoin ...: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/31/biting-into-the-wot-elephant-and-irc-nicknames/>
bitcoinpete: took me 8 months or so to find this place for realz
bitcoinpete: i found trilema right quick, but it was so far over my head that it took almost a year of reading it and many other books to come to terms with it.
CryptoConsultor: You run with any crews before then?
CryptoConsultor: I spent many years reading logs back in the days before Napster
CryptoConsultor: Fond memories of a mispent youth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.29744651 = 5.9489 BTC [+] {6}
benkay: CryptoConsultor: are you a cryptographic consultant?
bitcoinpete: other_mp: you should see the jewish section btw.>> like so? http://wander-argentina.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/WA-jewsinba-kosherMcDs.jpg
TheNewDeal: he cries and pees to consultors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07493514 = 0.7494 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: !up CryptoConsultor
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: i wasn't on irc prior to being here. i was on twitter and local meet-ups mostly
CryptoConsultor: My crypto career is a work in progress. But ya I've had some Computer Security jobs in the past
benkay: what kind of crypto career are you building?
CryptoConsultor: Well I hope to transition my old school internet EDU into this new crypto blockchaining fun
CryptoConsultor: I'm a bit late to the party
bitcoinpete: mike_c: if you have identified a small set of awesome investments, why would you put money in something else that is worse? << let them eat cake!
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: as always, the best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago
bitcoinpete: the second best time is now
bitcoinpete: you're not competing with ideal, just reality
mike_c: the blonde bomber better win
CryptoConsultor: yea I'm not hung up on missing any boat
bitcoinpete: mike_c: i have little doubt she will
mike_c: what is this klye bet you're talking about?
CryptoConsultor: I'm working really hard to devolop forward momentum
bitcoinpete: mike_c: not entirely clear, dooglus seems to know tho
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: being here so soon puts you miles ahead of the redditards and coindeskers
bitcoinpete: and they've been derping for… ever
CryptoConsultor: I noticed you had some sharp words for the coindeskers
bitcoinpete: eh they're not that special
bitcoinpete: i have sharp words for a lot of people lol
CryptoConsultor: you favor any news sources out there?
CryptoConsultor: you don't like the podcast crowd either eh?
TheNewDeal: mike_c looked like there is a proposed bet on kyle dying?
bitcoinpete: maidsafe, circle, twobitidiot, core devs, seamonster, usa, central banks...
TheNewDeal: "Mr Kyle lost Kylemax IPO funds, will he be dead or alive in 8 months?"
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: lmao!
TheNewDeal: klye*
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: oh yea, andreas too
mike_c: ah, proposed
TheNewDeal: I'm confused why the Kevin Love bet didn't succeed after reading news about him possibly being transferred. Concerned MN native
bitcoinpete: well intentioned though they may be, they do harm to themselves and those who pray at their fucktarded feet
bitcoinpete: there's some room for compassion in this world but there's also room for being smart and not losing money
CryptoConsultor: You'd say that you've done "well" in this game so far?
CryptoConsultor: You got your hands on coins before the crazyness?
TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu UStardianism is most definitely a religion, and it's virtually synonymous with christianity
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: well enough
bitcoinpete: when "1 inmueble goes for 1 btc" even better
CryptoConsultor: right awn. I've got happy results even being late to the game
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.01980019 = 0.198 BTC [-]
CryptoConsultor: Edm activity been picking up this last run?
TheNewDeal: bitcoinpete, haven't you hit some hard times in bitcoin as well?
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: who was hating on religion earlier ? << danielpbarron, who should also scope out http://econjwatch.org/file_download/822/ReadTalebMay2014.pdf
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: such as… ?
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: less than the oct/nov run
CryptoConsultor: You got roots in finance?
benkay: <CryptoConsultor> Well I hope to transition my old school internet EDU into this new crypto blockchaining fun // pardon me, EDU?
TheNewDeal: maybe I'm thinking of someone else. There was somebody that MP forced writing some GPG signed apology letter / explanation of some really crockety bitcoin stock endeavour
CryptoConsultor: My first round of Post Secondary school was many many years ago. We learned to txt edit HTML. So yea I got old rusty skills.
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal: lol def someone else
bitcoinpete: first i've heard of a gpg signed apology letter
CryptoConsultor: I explained to pete that I was once many years ago an active IRC junkie/web coder and then shifted out of web work for industrial paycheques
CryptoConsultor: this world feels alien to me now. gotta bruch up some old cob webs in the head
bitcoinpete: CryptoConsultor: been playing with tech stocks for about 15 years, did some lending and gambling as a kid, then started reading taleb and others about 4 years ago and here we are
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