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nubbins`: not tobacco
nubbins`: tell ya what, let's meet halfway and i'll just find an actual chair
nubbins`: and skip the ER
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: You may forget, but I recently had a run in with testicular injury and scrotal illness... Stay in a fucking real chair.
Vexual: i bet you can eat a fuckton of bad ass cookies b4 you call the hospital nubbins`
nubbins`: ah, that's right
nubbins`: advice noted and appreciated
BingoBoingo: Area is vascular enough any part that has problem has big problems fast... within hours
Vexual: and if you do try to call the hospital,your phone isnt a phone
nubbins`: hospital on drugs, no fun
BingoBoingo: Right, because they won't give you painkillers if you need them for some reason
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asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Gi0OEOl84y
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02125 = 0.17 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 637.9, vol: 21448.12339002 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 622.487, vol: 14086.102 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 638.55, vol: 32317.78759484 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 649.0, vol: 29.76492992 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 631.21, vol: 8087.51540000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 626.27624, vol: 33.33584844 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 641.255043, vol: 118.13037544 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 634.617468764
atcbot: 60k@205 40k@205 0k@200 | 40k@141 79k@141 25k@141
BingoBoingo: So... it appears the Erik story is in the /. cue
moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it
moiety: *grumble*
asciilifeform: slenderman?
asciilifeform: movie hero? fits through cracks, crevices?
moiety: there is 2 x 12 year olds who planned to kill their friend for months, blaming it on slenderman being real
moiety: i'm not actually sure, article just says he can make tendrils with is fingers and back
moiety: i think its a game though
asciilifeform is rather behind culturally, never heard of this
Vexual: ask pankakke
BingoBoingo: Slenderman is one of those mythical stories invented on SA/b/reddit not really worth reading.
assbot: Charges detail Waukesha pre-teens' attempt to kill classmate
BingoBoingo: Slenderman is basically a novelization of Usagi's nightmares about MP
asciilifeform: '...was stabbed 19 times by either Geyser or Weier or both' << interesting
moiety: oh so it wasn't originally a game.
asciilifeform: how does court decide how many/each.
asciilifeform: what if 0/19
asciilifeform: or 19/0
BingoBoingo: moiety: It was a story
BingoBoingo: Basically whitekid fear experience after first seeing not famous NBA players in person
moiety: lol it was actually all the birthday girl asciilifeform she has told police she thought her friend had already begun [which makes no sense considering the friend had told her she was too squeamish by this point]
moiety: which is how she got back to being the one with the blade
BingoBoingo: What I want to know is why the Biology teacher isn't being charged with neglegence
BingoBoingo: 19 penetrations and a survivor
moiety: hahaha that crossed my mind too BB. after all the prep they didn't think to check where to stab
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moiety: kinda half assed, aye that'll do + walk away thing too
Vexual: aye
asciilifeform: children of reddit, can't even be arsed to stab properly
moiety: they are too busy being hip
BingoBoingo: Also, stabbing is the problem. Slashing offer a better chance at exsanguination, unless perpetrator is a surgeon.
moiety: these wee chicks have nothing ont he wee girls from last year though, well the one that stabbed her sister
asciilifeform wonders if the cops will make the gurlz play 'prisoner's dilemma' if it cannot be proven which one stabbed
moiety: on the*
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I doubt the cops are aware of that game
asciilifeform: perhaps not under that name
BingoBoingo: "Wisconsin can have problems too"
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuGhwabBzcU
assbot: Hundreds of zombie homes plague Milwaukee neighborhoods
asciilifeform: ^ the feigned puzzlement of the quoted officials is riotously funny
asciilifeform: 'Both Dahlberg and Barrett say they don't understand why banks allow the problem to proliferate. As they see it, it's in the bank's best interests to rid itself of the property.'
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asciilifeform: << mega-lol. the 'zombies' rot so that prices can stay put.
BingoBoingo: Wiscunts have this delusion where they imagine they are to Chicago what the Hamptons are to New York
BingoBoingo: In reality neither Chicago nor Wiconson have hooks in the bezzel to support such delusions
asciilifeform: unwritten u.s. law - no house anywhere near a city, with working plumbing, not in 'live fire zone', etc. will be sold for 'pocket money' to a human (i.e. sans mortgage chumpatron)
asciilifeform: the bezzlers would much rather let the copper thieves pick it clean.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In StL brick theives have priority. They make the judgement on the property's fate and in very Missouri way the vacant land gets corn in the name of "urban agriculture"
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: A farm? In the city of St. Louis? Some neighbors aren't happy : Business
asciilifeform: for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high
asciilifeform: at least stalin, in his engineered famines, sold his abroad to buy cannon
asciilifeform: vs. burning
Vexual: that look slike mps old place
kakobrekla: mornin
BingoBoingo: mornin kakobrekla
Vexual: don't get much for your money in the old usa tho
Vexual: hey kako
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the interim USA discovered corn can be parted into oil for plastics and sugar for falsifying food
Vexual: sugar is food
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mp on the subject - http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing
assbot: The corn thing pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
moiety: mewning kakobrekla :]
Vexual: you repurposing the word nutrient ?
kakobrekla: i see it was a busy night, me hops the logs.
kakobrekla: dammit. , should be new line.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That one was resonant, because I live near ground zero
BingoBoingo: Monsanto and Urban Corn share a home for a reason
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: point being, a liveable house, as popularly imagined in usa, will never cost what laptop, or even car, costs - if the authorities have to burn 99% of them to maintain this condition, they will.
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moiety: schools have started suing mosanto all over the place now too
moiety: see this corn woman though, it's like she just woke up to this 8 ft high cornwall around her home. how long does it take to grow even?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the right locals government need not do burning, merely look the other way. Market does the burning http://preservationresearch.com/news-2/brick-theft-in-north-st-louis-a-preservation-crisis/
assbot: Brick Theft in North St. Louis: A Preservation Crisis | Preservation Research Office
BingoBoingo: moiety: Gorws surprisingly fast.
assbot: Thieves Cart Off St. Louis Bricks - NYTimes.com
asciilifeform: if the locals wake up to the idea of squatting peacefully in the houses instead of tearing them apart, the 'owners' will order the burning.
assbot: A plan to stop the brick-by-brick demolition of the city : News
asciilifeform: the actual 'free market' price of a u.s. suburban house, if none of this were happening, is probably close to $10k (number pulled from my arse)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Around here there are livable houses near $40k in decent towns
Vexual: ill think youll find the free market price is what it sells for
asciilifeform: Vexual: see the supply cartel discussion above
BingoBoingo: In StL proper you find Sub $5k houses without buyers, because Oh noes, negros!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only answer is, nothing within driving distance employs folks who could afford the land tax.
asciilifeform: otherwise someone - negro, martian, whoever - would live there.
BingoBoingo has a brother renting a house he could buy with a year's rent. He doesn't buy because of the burden of unloading it later
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That is the flip side of the problem
dub: this is clearly why minimum wage is an evil communist plot
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i pay roughly 2x in rent what the box i'm in would cost, monthly, if 'bought'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is thought to be a reasonably good deal, too, around here.
BingoBoingo: dub: People in the "city" don't get "wages" they get SSI
asciilifeform: we will discover the actual market price of american house if and when the artificial system for keeping 100,000s of them permanently vacant and off the market were to fail.
assbot: Get Money - YouTube
asciilifeform: (unfortunately with it will fail public utilities, police, etc. so we only learn the price of a 'mad max' house, vs. what presently exists.)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This is what the "chosen suburbs" are for.
asciilifeform: fluffypony awake?
asciilifeform: perhaps he can tell what this looks like in person.
asciilifeform: (was it him, in ZA?)
dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW
BingoBoingo: www.forbes.com/special-report/2012/1016_zip-codes.html
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He's in SA
Vexual: .za fool
asciilifeform: the saudis got sa
Vexual: afrikaans love them some z
assbot: Town and Country, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: Ladue, Missouri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vexual: got your passport back yet?
BingoBoingo: Every major city has a few suburbs like those
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Case still pending
assbot: BBC News - The Indian miracle-buster stuck in Finland
kakobrekla: the world is insane.
Vexual: youtube.com/watch?v=d8Fmu3RLEOY
BingoBoingo: Oh, only 4-8 hours until I was offered a derechero might wreak havok
dub: india is insane
assbot: Thumbelina (horse) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: ^ most interesting citizen of that city
Vexual: lol
Vexual: get me on a greyhound!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You have to understand. When Clayton gets hit with the city of StL's disease... the chosen suburbs flee to Utah...
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: Just like The resident
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nubbins`: mad max 2 has a 100% rating on rotten tomatoes, hey?
BingoBoingo: Eh, a complete non-secret is that one or more Air Force One decoys live across the Mississippi from St Louis
Vexual: whats imdb say?
Vexual: thats the one with tina turner?
nubbins`: i think tina was in number 3
Vexual: oh yah, thunderdome
nubbins`: time for sleep
Vexual: ditto
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assbot: If those two 12 year old girls had read some Clive Barker instead of Slender Man Creepypasta, they would have done a way sweeter murder.
BingoBoingo: I guess within the next three years we'll prolly see Brock Pierce molest some kids in the name of PedoBear
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fluffypony is awake
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fluffypony: asciilifeform: read the conversation twice but not enough coffee yet, what must I comment on? the chosen suburbs thing?
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Naphex: howdy
fluffypony: morningz
xmj: morning
Naphex: !up davout
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fluffypony: !up davout
fluffypony: Naphex: you have to re-up yourself I think
Naphex: yeah
Naphex: interesting how freenode irc servers don't keep mod states, and just resend the +v message every time you hit another /mode cmd
Naphex: !up Naphex
Naphex: see? how's that working, cmon i already am voiced ;]
xmj: !up Naphex
xmj: such voice, many listen, much wow
xmj: (No, I could not resist that one.)
Naphex: no worries, every time someone does it a shiba inu dies
Naphex: :)
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davout: fluffypony Naphex wai u up?
fluffypony: davout:10:30am
Naphex: yeah man, 11:24
Naphex: looks like i have some offset
davout: haha why did you up! ?
davout: also hello
fluffypony: I dunno
fluffypony: Naphex did
fluffypony: and I followed suite
Naphex: yeah
Naphex: just starting a trend
Naphex: :)
fluffypony: s/suite/suit
Naphex: anyway davout did you ever implement FAST and is anyone using it?
davout: Naphex: no i didn't, it's on the backburner currently
Naphex: also why would someone just roll another fast interface when they can roll a high performance i/o protobuf one
Naphex: and just sell that mass improved
Naphex: i'm working on a realtime protobuf interface for trading, with incremental streamed updates and realtime orders.
davout: sounds pretty neat!
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fluffypony: davout: how's the rebranding goign?
fluffypony: *going
davout: it's scheduled, the UI designer is going crazy :D
Naphex: what's he going crazy about?
Naphex: just change Bitcoin-Central to Paymium on front page, and you're about done :P
davout: too easy
davout: since we're launching merchant services at about the same time and that we're going to have a single landing page it needs some lifting
Naphex: you're doing merchant services / exchange under the same platform?
Naphex: won't it clutter up with all the merchant features?
davout: you mean on the front page ?
Naphex: no i mean just in general, the code the platform etc
Naphex: i mean we're working on finalizing the payment/merchant gateway as well. but we're building them as separate projects to avoid clutter
Naphex: and unifing the wallets so they can interlink
davout: the interlink code could count as clutter as well
Naphex: then BTCXPay for payments / BTXChange for trading/exchanging
Naphex: well interlink code is needed anyway, for wallet apps and the rest
davout: you don't do the exchanging ?
Naphex: so atleast they share same wallet/account
davout: i mean can't a merchant request to be paid 12.34 EUR and receive exactly that ?
Naphex: he can
Naphex: but the merchant services will be a whole differnt app with merchant in mind, and all the features that come with merchant gateways
davout: i like the idea of having a single app to maintain
Naphex: i think exchange / payment services are too big fields too keep under same app
davout: also, a lot of code to check for incoming payments and track them properly is shared
davout: the money flows are managed in a unified process
Naphex: probably but that opens a whole lot of room, for vulnerabilities, bugs, spaghetti code, maintainance problems
Naphex: and a lot of clutter in a big app
xmj: mm.
xmj: Naphex: what language do you write that one in?
Naphex: since merchant are going too need merchant reports, invoice listings, button generators, cart generators, apis and plugins to intergrate in popular ecommerce platforms
davout: Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage
Naphex: xmj: nowadays i usually write standalone java for backends
davout: for the
fluffypony: xmj: Naphex has been plugged directly into his server banks for a while now
fluffypony: so he just thinks in code
Naphex: thats correct ;]
fluffypony: I hear he's switching to Swift after watching the Apple demo on Monday
davout: api for example, we leverage a lot of code that already exists, the extra part is a couple of models and their business logic, the e-commerce plugins are separate ofc
xmj: Naphex: Java seems a popular choice for financial transaction backends
xmj: Naphex: we've developed a p2p credit/lending site, our bank's API connectors are in java.
Naphex: xmj: its pretty lean, fast, threading is a dream and NIO is great and fast and easy to implement
xmj: NIO ?
xmj: non-blocking IO ?
Naphex: then you got really good tools, and profilers and debuggers
Naphex: xmj: yes
Naphex: but i don't use servlets or other middleware, so there's that.
xmj: ah
xmj: matter of taste i guess.
Naphex: speed
xmj: I really really like Python, because it's legible and fast to write prototypes in.
xmj: By the time you have serious scaling issues, you can always write things in Cython.
Naphex: python's not bad. twisted python is perty okay
xmj: or C. or C++.
Naphex: yep
xmj: (though, I can't write C. yet.)
Naphex: i do the same in jave, write JNI if there are bottlenecks or too slow performing native functions
Naphex: but rarely i have to do that for backends, as in hardware nowadays is too fast to care
Naphex: but i have done a lot of that for embedded and it worked out very nice
xmj: cool
Naphex: <+davout> Naphex: i don't think splitting apps would make it less vulnerable, on the contrary, having only one attack surface is easier to manage <<
Naphex: I like my stuff modular, i split a big app into scalable services
Naphex: then interlink
xmj: benefit: you can reuse those parts more easily across customers.
Naphex: now i know services are secure and they stay clean and sharp to the point code
xmj: no need to reinvent wheels if you already have a stack of them.
Naphex: yep
Naphex: so i can have wallet nodes, exchange nodes (which can be split into INSTRUMENT servers)
davout: Naphex: you're bound to have quite some coupling
Naphex: there is no problem with coupling, nodes come out with coupling since start
davout: howso ?
Naphex: and they can handle their duty, wallet nodes can be used by clients to connect and manage their wallets
Naphex: exchange nodes can be accessed to convert the currency
Naphex: and payment nodes to process payments and get auto notifications from them
Naphex: they come up with servicing in mind, and the same way a client hooks up to them web platforms hook up as well
davout: but do you have a single unified domain model ?
davout: yeah, we have that too, the web interface is a module that hooks into the API
davout: it's not built in to the app
Naphex: see, now will that api do payments processing as well in the same big app?
Naphex: or be split into modular nodes
Naphex: which will interlink
davout: there is a blockchain watching process that notifies the models when it sees an incoming payment
Naphex: i just think one big app to handle wallet api, exchange api, payments api might just be too big
Naphex: and eventually you will have to split it to scale
davout: well, look at the trading for example
davout: you can not horizontally scale it
davout: it *has* to be a sequential queue that's processed FIFO
Naphex: yep
davout: how does having it as a separate thing help ?
Naphex: well, the exchange api will be that sequential queue.
davout: i mean, in my case it's a separate process, but it does however leverage a unique domain model
Naphex: but why does it have to also manage the wallets, and record user transactions, and process payments
Naphex: right?
davout: it needs to record transactions
Naphex: because it handles exchange data, and orders, and order queues, and execution
davout: executions result in writes into your accounting, right?
Naphex: and maybe order rules
Naphex: davout: brb gotta eat, continue afteward if you're still on
davout: sure
Naphex: davout: but an exchange transaction != a bitcoin transaction
Naphex: or an exchange transaction != payment transaction
davout: sure, but they all need to be accounted for
davout: they need to go in the ledger, also these transactions may share properties
davout: a lot of code is common between a bitcoin deposit and an invoice bitcoin payment
davout: for example, the service call "monitor bitcoin address xyz for x days" is common between a deposit address creation, and an invoice creation
assbot: Man Who Issued Securities For Bitcoins Settles With SEC - Slashdot
davout: the sec will have to go feck itself eventually
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davout: !up adrrr
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adrrr: hey thanks :)
assbot: Apple OS X 10.10 Yosemite: The Top 6 New Features
pankkake: so magical and revolutionary
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fluffypony: so SWIFT
fluffypony: how is "prettier icons" a feature?
pankkake: "Yosemite has cleaner and clearer icons along the bottom of a Mac screen, including the apps that usually value function over beauty." wait there are macapps that value function?
pankkake: "That is a gorgeous trash can," Federighi said. "You wouldn't believe how much time we spent crafting a trash can."
kakobrekla: hahaha, they list: 1. Prettier Icons:
kakobrekla: number one is prettier icons.
kakobrekla: this is number one.
kakobrekla: i guess next question is, does it come with lipstick?
adrrr: pankkake: mostly, there is apple haters :D
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jurov: one has to be apple hater to find such "features" ridiculous?
fluffypony: yeah I quite like Apple and I think that's a stupid feature to focus on
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fluffypony: but that's just journalism
dub: apple only does stupid features so its unfair to pick on this
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dub: does apple still exist? not even my hipster sister rolls macbook anymore
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dub: thats not just idle fanboy hatred either, they have a lot of mobile handsets around but beyond a few music heads (who suffer extreme lock-in) I don't know any actual users
davout: dub: a feature i like it's that their OS is a unix
davout: jurov: the gorgeous trashcan is ridiculous indeed
pankkake: an eunuch unix
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dub: thats not particularly compelling
pankkake: with the worst window management ever
dub: I don't need unix at my end terminal and its only a couple of clicks away
davout: pankkake: what do you mean ?
davout: dub: so you're windows?
dub: for UI shit yeah
pankkake: it's just not ergonomic. makes you work a lot with the mouse for nothing
davout: pankkake: i use it everyday, and imo it's the best window management, it never feels like it gets in the way
davout: i keep raging about it each time i use a windows comp, and i don't use gui when i use linux
davout: mostly because i use linux for servers
davout: dub: well, osx is pretty good for ui imo, so i'm happy this way
davout: also, they're finally sucking the bitcoin cock :D
dub: just making an observation, we tend to run close to the front of tech trends over here and it struck me that apple are pretty much invisible outside of mobile
dub: which is a change from last time I thought about it
pankkake: do they really allow bitcoin applications, or is it yet another redditation?
davout: pankkake: well, i pointed out the fact that their new policy didn't mean shit taken on its own, however it appears there are some wallets that are back in
davout: such as coinjar
davout: so, i thought like you, but the facts seem to tell a different story
assbot: CoinJar for iPhone on the App Store on iTunes
pankkake: * Managed Bitcoin wallet in the cloud
davout: coinjar?
davout: that doesn't change the point
davout: their "Fair rate(TM)" is pretty ridiculous too
Naphex: !up HeySteve
cazalla: don't you mean zhoujar
davout: o it's ryan's ?
cazalla: yeah
pankkake: well they might not want to allow application that store the private key
davout: pankkake: sounds doubtful
davout: their issue was "facilitating transmission"
davout: we'll see if blockchain gets back
Naphex: they will prolly ban p2p aps
Naphex: as they ban torrent apps a well
Naphex: so no Mycelium or thin clients
davout: p2p what? trading?
Naphex: Peer2Peer wallets, that connect to bitcoin network and do SPV
Naphex: so only centralized single source wallets
davout: the idea that they'll make a difference isn't supported by any facts so far
Naphex: well.. blockchain is down yet mycelium works
Naphex: so anyone who tried to use blockchain.info in the last i dunno 5-6 hours
Naphex: got erros
Naphex: while mycelium worked fine. that will make a difference every time there is a service failure
davout: no, the idea that they will categorize applications based on whether or not they store the keys, or rely on a central service
davout: is supported neither by their policy, nor by factual experience
davout: "My Father's house has many rooms"
davout: for more philosophical quotes -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3hkqBfvDBU
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15600 @ 0.00084426 = 13.1705 BTC [-]
Naphex: "Datorita atitudinii unor persoane dorim sa va comunicam oficial ca raspunsurile noastre nu vor mai fi oferite pe acest forum. Dorim sa pastram o relatie profesionala si sa evitam raspunsul amenintarilor primite."
Naphex: seriously
Naphex: customers will definetly be less threating if they received their shit on time
Naphex: my blood just boils if i order something/pre-order something and it never gets delivered
Naphex: every mining company should just stop selling preorders period.
Naphex: and build their equipment or sell stock
Apocalyptic: but then they couldn't scam Naphex
Naphex: probably but then they shouldn't wonder when customers get all angry and threatening and then resort to police action
Naphex: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.0 mining drama in Romanian community, undelivered orders the usual. Google translate might help / http://blackminer.com/ the mining equipment builders from .ro
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Naphex: Posts about people paying 28,000$ for mining equipment and still not delivering weeks after deadline. is it just me or thats a hell of a lot money to be pissing people off for
pankkake: there's this guy who bet 99% of his coins on a scam and now says he doesn't have enough for a lawyer
pankkake: maybe they're the same type
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44468 @ 0.00084424 = 37.5417 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: GHash.IO & double spending : Bitcoin
Naphex: hey don't take 0 conf
Naphex: you gambling? take 1
davout: people who accept 0 conf will get repeatedly raped until one of the following happens
davout: - there's nothing left to rape
davout: - they wisen up
Naphex: so ghash.io is teaching a valuable lesson then
Naphex: http://www.wired.com/2014/06/silk-road-study/ - the more interesting news today
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davout: what exactly is it doing? (haven't read the reddit post)
Naphex: davout: ghash.io double spending against some bitcoin casino
Naphex: roll dig win -> let transaction confirm / lose -> double spend
Naphex: roll dice*
davout: is it proved? because it sounds like they'd have more to lose by passing on the block reward
Naphex: "proved"
Naphex: but still basic attack, they can just drop the tx and double spend. some luck required
davout: oic
davout: kinda scammy to do that, but otoh the casino being retarded doesn't help
Naphex: well they might not be doing it and someone else just messing with their system
artifexd: Why isn't http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ already resolved?
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Naphex: who knows what they use to detect transactions and how their system executes
pankkake: artifexd: to get 1% from asshole after-the-fact bettors? :p
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1706 @ 0.00083906 = 1.4314 BTC [-]
artifexd: You would certainly have to be an idjot to bet on it. I was just curious.
davout: mircea_popescu: hi!
mircea_popescu: how goes it :)
mircea_popescu: artifexd, was it announced ?
artifexd: At WWDC a couple days ago
assbot: Apple - iOS 8 - Overview
mircea_popescu: a ok. best leave a link in comments there would you.
artifexd: Sure
Naphex: how is ios8 huge for developers? did they finally open up?
mircea_popescu: now that i doub
davout: Naphex: they announced some naw language, looks just as ugly as objective c
Naphex: Each enhancement has a purpose. Every new feature deserves to be a new feature.
Naphex: such marketspeech
Naphex: god forbid you enhance without any purpose or add old new features
mircea_popescu: by this rationale every competitor to apple deserves to be successful.
Naphex: haha
mircea_popescu: someone sent me a trilema credits thing out of some pos wallet that truncates the last 2 digits of a tx
mircea_popescu: aren't they gonna be happy.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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Naphex: mircea_popescu: so mircea why no ssl on trilema? what if NSA steals my cookie?:(
Naphex: :))
mircea_popescu: they can't use it.
mircea_popescu: try it yourself :D
mircea_popescu: the long version being that there's no ssl on trilema because ssl is so fucking broken, the problem it purports to solve but fails to solve can in fact be actually solved by five lines OF PHP.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2433 @ 0.0008529 = 2.0751 BTC [+] {2}
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mircea_popescu: buzzpro.co.il my foot. moar like spampro.
mircea_popescu: im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody.
mircea_popescu: and ima do it because "some of the seats are already taken", as if random rottinculo has the upper hand in this fucking relationship where i got the dough and he's doing the begging.
mircea_popescu: fucking hell what sort of wet straw do they use to make brains these days i wish to know. denial all the way never fucking workls in practice, yet it seems the only strategy kids deploy anymore.
Naphex: well thats not true
Naphex: you gotta lean
Naphex: and spin
mircea_popescu: yes, if you wanna die poor you gotta.
Naphex: aren't all bussiness nowadays made from nothing?
Naphex: and require 0 money just a good idea?
Naphex: and some poor sob to code it
mircea_popescu: depends what you mean by business
mircea_popescu: if oyu mean the sort of crud that xml dude and his friends spit out, then yes, except it's not business, it's buzznix.
Naphex: hehe thats what i meant
mircea_popescu: but incidentally, this is a good fucking point, re php. hear all ye haters and knowppls : steal a trilema cookie, get a bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: since php is so insecure and everything, it should be trivial to do.
Naphex: well it works in the office cause i'm behind the same IP
Naphex: natted :)
mircea_popescu: that's how it's supposed to work
Naphex: yep i'm guessing its hooked to remote_addr
mircea_popescu: remote_addr+salt+pw or somesuch
mircea_popescu: i forget exactly but in principle that's the scheme
Naphex: is it just hashed and you check hash or you keep serverside session?
mircea_popescu: no sessions.
Naphex: so just hash(remote_addr+salt+pw) in /set-cookie.php
Naphex: and then check
Mats_cd03: BingoBoingo: air force one decoy?
mircea_popescu: pretty much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07645606 = 0.1529 BTC [+]
Naphex: but set-cookie doesn't encrypt "cod" :)
Naphex: so i can just snag it from there
Naphex: and have lots of trilema credits
Naphex: :P
mircea_popescu: Naphex, so try ?
Naphex: sadly i am not the nsa:(
mircea_popescu: what "cod" anyway ?
Naphex: Parola: <input type="text" name="cod" />
mircea_popescu: ok so you snag it from there, and what ? crack the hash ?
Mats_cd03: I was under the impression _any_ mil aircraft with potus in it was Air Force One, or Marine One, etc
Naphex: mircea_popescu: what is that hash anyway seems variable output
mircea_popescu: who's the haxxor here.
pankkake: Mats_cd03: Monica One
Naphex: mircea_popescu: yeah but the password is cleartext in cookie no?
mircea_popescu doesn't even recall.
mircea_popescu: lets see here
Naphex: e163Gpassword_test_inputl68a9
Naphex: so its just the math for the ip/checksum
mircea_popescu: pretty much
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19841 @ 0.00085342 = 16.9327 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually i suppose an extra layer couldn't possibly hurt.
mircea_popescu: !up manamex_
mircea_popescu: attention all people logged into trilema : im putting in a change ticket, which will be implemented whenever today and as a result will prolly log you out. just log back in will be fine.
Naphex: so do i get a bitcoin?:) %%
Naphex: ^^
mircea_popescu: no, because you didn't steal a cookie :D
mircea_popescu: you do get a pat on the head tho, for being halpful.
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: wait i was just about to break the hash
mircea_popescu: i'll put the ticket in tomorrow then, that enough for you ?
Naphex: nah i was just kidding, do the ticket
Naphex: atleast tell me what does the extra byte before password do?:)
Naphex: i'm guessing e163 / 68a9 encodes the ip
Naphex: doesn't look ip2long/long to ip
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea
Naphex: e163(G) <- this one :)password_test_inputl68a9
mircea_popescu: it's been years and this was never a central matter
Mats_cd03: food price watch tracking trends in various places
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 376 @ 0.00085342 = 0.3209 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: food riots remaining a perennial phenomenon worldwide
pankkake: at least americans will be able to eat their fat
mircea_popescu: pankkake, so would kenyans
dub: kenyans can eat american fat
mircea_popescu: exactly.
dub: obama was sent to initiate the harvest
mircea_popescu: omg obama is eating baby fat ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-]
dub: all muslims eat babies, remember?
mircea_popescu: gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line
mircea_popescu: dub, a muslim ate yo baby ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00084608 = 28.6821 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu sings ♫♩ it's a muslim eat baby would out there baby ♬ make a lotta nice friends ♪♪ if you don't make a lotta nice friends come back, babe...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00084781 = 25.2647 BTC [+]
Naphex: i'm off
Naphex: laters o/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17185 @ 0.00084944 = 14.5976 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so now, should i go through the logs ? or should i make further travel posts on trilema ?
mircea_popescu: i shall ponder this matter while my salmon omlet cooks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36464 @ 0.00084981 = 30.9875 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: hello :]
fluffypony: BingoBoingo:That's actually fluffypony's photoshopped wife <- I knew I should've made her nails the same colour!
assbot: I've come to my senses...I sold all my dogecoins and am full into bitcoin again. Not gonna f*** with those alt coins again. : Bitcoin
pankkake: "You should not keep all your eggs in 1 basket, get some Litecoin as well, have you seen the volume and market cap? I am 70% Bitcoin, 30% Litecoin - Litecoin is seriously undervalued right now.
pankkake: "The only alt worth having any serious money in is Litecoin. I have no faith in any others.
pankkake: god, how I hate those scam pumpers
mircea_popescu: it really should be atc.
TomServo: I mined a few litecoin blocks via CPU way back when. Just recently found that wallet and sold them, twas nice to grab a few BTC out of that.
fluffypony: FluffyCoin is coming
dub: %book
atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 65k@141 25k@141 100k@140
TomServo: LTC/BTC exchange rate has been in a pretty steady decline for a while now
fluffypony: you can mergemine it with ManulCoin and Altcoin
fluffypony: and it will have a fluffy logo
fluffypony: which will be a feature
fluffypony: also it'll be written in Swift because that's a modern language
moiety: omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too
fluffypony: heh heh
moiety: i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc
fluffypony: the problem is that much of the time and energy has been spent by people that aren't really on "that level", so if they focused on BTC instead we'd just see more shitty copies of exchanges / gambling sites etc.
fluffypony: and about a billion dumb features submitted as pull requests
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you can't merge ltc with atc, one's scrypt
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no no, FluffyCoin and ManulCoin will merge-mine with ATC
mircea_popescu: <moiety> omg you have to make physical coins fluffy too << coins made out of shag.
mircea_popescu: <moiety> i wonder how things would be with bitcoin today if all this time and energy thats been spent on alts had been focussed on btc << not noticeably different.
mircea_popescu: you know, just like where opera would be if all the time spent derping around counterstrike were spent "singing"
mircea_popescu: exactly what fluffy says.
TomServo: "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment."
pankkake: merge mining is one of the few things that would make me take an altcoin seriously
pankkake: still a better reason than silver to bitcoin's gold
mircea_popescu: !up princessnell
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot princessnell
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user princessnell: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=princessnell | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=princessnell | Rated since: Thu May 8 16:20:29 2014
mircea_popescu: <TomServo> "You buy Doge for the community not as an investment." << thus spoke socialisthustra.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, you can actually merge mine atc with btc neh ?
pankkake: no, you'd have to patch atc for that
pankkake: and I don't know how
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5153 @ 0.00085231 = 4.392 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i seriously see why it'd make sense for your site.
mircea_popescu: and then perhaps we can merge-credits.
fluffypony: TrilemaCoin ?
mircea_popescu: hm.. all the #b-a blogs should charge the same credits, spend them to read the other blogs, get them when people read your blog. talk about a circle jerk. << zipf would put a rapid end to that methinks.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's definitely some future in the blog credits thing.
mircea_popescu: prolly too soon to know how it looks.
mircea_popescu: well since i'm reading the logs, i'd like to take a minute and dissect the stupidity of "xmj: mike_c: not if he dislikes my stating how it is."
moiety: i think i would have to give out credits to get people to read a blog
xmj: mircea_popescu: so you don't ignore me?
mircea_popescu: first off and most importantly, the unexamined prior that there "is" this one thing called "start-ups"
xmj: it's not an unexamined prior. it's a fact. read news.ycombinator.com.
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xmj: get your inflated head down to the reality of 2014.
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fluffypony: artifexd: I was reading their stuff earlier, it's quite interesting
artifexd: It is hard to find (as in I couldn't) an easy way to do gpg email in gmail. There used to be plugins but they just don't last/work.
fluffypony: artifexd: mailvelope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5463 @ 0.00085231 = 4.6562 BTC [+]
artifexd: I looked at that and I dismissed it for some reason that I don't recall. That was prior to the current release though so I shall look again.
danielpbarron: when i first started sending ascii armored blocks in gmail, they would alter some of it so it wasn't valid on the other end; sometimes because it would try to translate it, and sometimes it would just randomly remove a space or line return
danielpbarron: after i set the option "never try to translate this" it seems to work every time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16943 @ 0.00085231 = 14.4407 BTC [+]
artifexd: I think it comes down to the fact that I get a bad feeling at the idea of putting my private key somewhere that could be accessed via javascript that was downloaded from some external location.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 95 @ 0.00196696 = 0.1869 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: motherfucker wireless omg.
mircea_popescu: anywyay, i was interrupted in the middle of spamming. let's continue.
mircea_popescu: this is usually the result of mediocre brains strained through the us college system. they end up with the expectation that any conceptual category has a practical counterpart.
mircea_popescu: and so there IS such a thing as "start-ups" in the same sense there actually is a thing called new york.
mircea_popescu: second off, and much more worrisome, the bizarre notion that there's safety in banality, to wit, that one can't fuck up by doing what "everyone" is doing.
mircea_popescu: this is exactly counter to what a startup is even for. this is ibm think.
mircea_popescu: there's simply no way he ends up any other way than bleeding in a ditch somewhere, with a pilum in his penis.
mircea_popescu: oviously in real reality start-ups are not the derps that go to "start-up dinners", but exactly the guys that don't
mircea_popescu: and similarly, start-ups aren't the guys that do what everyone else does, but exactly the guys that don't.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete: http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-06/03/silk-road-study << this is precisely why they wanted that "murder solicitation" thing in there so bad. and... they got it. because, bitcoin jesuses.
assbot: Study claims Silk Road reduced drug-related violence (Wired UK)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: i would post that on my wall, but then everyone would just ask me "who is mircea"
mircea_popescu: that's ok.
mike_c: drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it"
mircea_popescu: it;s not really intended for the comsumption of the etsy crowd.
Apocalyptic: <mike_c> drives me crazy when someone says "well the other startups are doing it" << this
mircea_popescu: no but you see, that's who they are and what they do. what do you want ?
mircea_popescu: most people are supposed to be most people.
pankkake: i've also got the "it's written by a googletwitterfacebook employee"
mircea_popescu: yeah, like btc 7.0
moiety: have tweeter been in touch with you mircea_popescu?
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pankkake: I believe it works the other way
Mats_cd03: im glad theres an extension
mircea_popescu: i don't even know moiety. still working at having everything up and running, moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task
moiety: i just realised smuxi has tweeter support and i have no idea how to use it
Mats_cd03: now i can use gpg on my chromebook
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 8 @ 0.02999988 = 0.24 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: smucksy ? :D
mircea_popescu: i mean schmucksy
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moiety: i don't even know how you are still sane mircea_popescu, moving one person and two cats with very little stuff is.. well, I've had enough by this point lol
dub: crime stats in denver since they legalised weed
mircea_popescu: !up n6506
davout: mircea_popescu: "moving an entire cc across the continents is an involved task" <<< if you care to share i'm curious about the criteria for choosing argentina
mircea_popescu: davout, basically, it's romania of the 90s/ny of the 70s.
mircea_popescu: i love that place.
fluffypony: The wife and I went to exactly 1 start-up dinner. Not only were the people a bunch of pretentious cocks that have never done anything successful in their lives (except circlejerk around all the cool synergies they can have with other start-ups), but the "speakers" (while eloquent and with beautiful Jobs-like presentations) espoused utterly inane notions that have no basis in reality and mostly have to do with spending stupid amounts of money
fluffypony: on "original" ideas that should cost a lot less than they do (see: guerrilla marketing).
davout: yeah, what was so cool about it?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, remind me to tell you about the ONE bdsm meet i ever attended
n6506: mircea_popescu: behold phinnaeus gage in chan: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701260
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
fluffypony: davout: dancing in the streets but for free!
mircea_popescu: how did i miss that!
mircea_popescu: coolness.
moiety: he wasn't here long, he said he would be back though.
davout: the first rule of the tautology club...
xmj: mircea_popescu: am I unignored now?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Phinnaeus it doesn't cunt if i wasn't there!!!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
xmj: ;;later tell mircea_popescu am I unignored now?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
xmj: wonderful.
mircea_popescu: davout, i dunno, i like it!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: I hope that one line was trolling
mircea_popescu: it matches my proclivities or something.
mircea_popescu: n6506, o god have mercy.
n6506: :D
mircea_popescu: pankkake, were you the one with the "with cia agents" zinger, you multiminded psychopath you ?
mircea_popescu: just because they're after you doesn't mean everything's a meta.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: but you're the same one guy rite ?
pankkake: depends on the days
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mircea_popescu: moiety, well, i have women to drive nuts, so it keeps me sane. it's like a gift.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony:
mircea_popescu: code has failed in production we'll shut the startup down, start a new one, buy the old one out, and then repeat. We call this Multi Startup Synergistic Prefailure, and it's inspired by the work of Tsukino Usagi. << you know it's pretty much how this crap works irl.
mircea_popescu: princessnell: bitcoinpete i almost did the same and went into law. dodged a bullet there! << what's so bad about law ?
mircea_popescu: princessnell,
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: that's the beauty of it...now if we add an IPO stage in the middle, we can make several HUNDREDS of Dollars!
fluffypony: worth it.
princessnell: mircea_popescu well there's a huge legal bubble in the us rite now
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, you may underestimate the bezzle. what's whatsapp sell for i forget ? 50 trillion ?
fluffypony: despite what u-sage usagi thinks, I'm clearly a shitty scammer
fluffypony: I need to up my scamgame
mircea_popescu: princessnell, as in too many duke grads unemployed to the point you get idjits a la tucker max writing "novels" and then moving on to "financial advicering" ?
princessnell: that's the spectacle. then there's the masses of subprime borrowers who went to shit tier law schools and now work as glorified file clerks at an hourly wage.
mircea_popescu: but my point was not about the direct practical application
mircea_popescu: my point is more that if you aspire to not be fucking stupid, pretty much the best avenue in the us colleges today is law.
mircea_popescu: granted this doesn't justify the tuition. but then again i've yet to meet the person that studied law and was worse for the wear for it.
princessnell: why do you think that?
mircea_popescu: which one
princessnell: "the best avenue" idk i'm biased but i'd have to go with economics or math or even logic/philosophy
mircea_popescu: there's nobody aliv ein the us qualified to teach philosophy to any degree.
princessnell: "studying the law" here = "memorizing administrative case law"
mircea_popescu: math is a prime tool of making one stupid, even in sane places (such as the soviet union)
mircea_popescu: ya well not that.
princessnell: point is i think on the whole the fields i mentioned equip you with better mental models than most law programs
mircea_popescu: i suppose the start-up approach to studying law in the us is getting a small apt close to the campus of a good law school and fucking all the older profs for free.
mircea_popescu: rent way cheaper than tuition, results way better than degree,
mircea_popescu: more fun all through.
mircea_popescu: well, we may be talking at cross purposes, let me try and model the difference.
princessnell: ha. but then you don't get a sheepskin.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a land, and under this land water table, and above names of places.
mircea_popescu: how deep to the water table is perhaps what you're discussing, whereas how much water in that spot at all is maybe what i',m saying.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00085571 = 31.2762 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: math models are a lot easier to access, yes. not nearly as useful tho, not generally.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: you guys have seen this, right - http://coingen.io << depends. you ever heard of atc, the altcoin ?
assbot: Coingen
mircea_popescu: ;;seen thickasthieves
gribble: thickasthieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 1 hour, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds ago: <ThickAsThieves> lol
princessnell: what is it about law itself that you think leads people to not fucking stupidity
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: was a prefix to a thought ;)
Mats_cd03: imo physics is the most valuable
mircea_popescu: princessnell, it can;t ever be right.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03, has a good point, physics i agree is very very close. for exactly the same reason
mircea_popescu: physics can also never be right.
Mats_cd03: reasoning from first principles and so forth
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: mike_c: didn't know that about altcoin… i don't know why i thought it was a costlier project << nah, thickasthieves was running lean at the time :D
princessnell: i think that's right but i unfortunately don't think that's the approach that us law schools take. anyways i deal a lot with law through economics so i can have it all.
mircea_popescu: yeah that's the thing, it never goes away anyway, so...
mircea_popescu: "BitFury Group Ltd. last week secured one of the largest rounds of funding in the bitcoin sector, bringing in $20 million."
mircea_popescu: say what you will, the press doth learn.
mircea_popescu: "and expects $210 million in revenue for this year, on $120 million in EBITDA, Mr. Kikvadze said"
mircea_popescu: !up jm123
mircea_popescu: check out that magic! 210 mn revenue 120mn ebitda!
pankkake: !up n6506
mike_c: because you can just ignore depreciation, especially in a mining operation.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: how long does it take for BB to deposit winnings following resolution << a maximum of two days
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2773 @ 0.00085585 = 2.3733 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c, what i want to know is, if you ignore tax, interest, depreciaiton and everything else
mircea_popescu: where are you bleeding half your bottom line ?
mike_c: company parties are expensive.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, what the fuck else is there
mike_c: salaries!
mircea_popescu: 90mn in salaries ?
mircea_popescu: its a fucking start-up, they didn't hear of stock options in georgia ?
fluffypony: mike_c: Mining Equipment Present Value: $120mn. Mining Equipment Future Value: $120mn.
fluffypony: Mining Equipment Accounting Method
mike_c: well, they are talking about cash flow not balance sheet, so capex i guess
mike_c: capex counts against income, no?
mircea_popescu: dude that article could have been worse written
mircea_popescu: but it's not directly obvious how. who the fuck does wsj serve these days anyway ?
mircea_popescu: obviously not people with even 1 year's worth of cc business.
mike_c: you missed the one from financial times that said SD raised *10 million* btc in their ipo
mircea_popescu: i ddin't miss the part where th sec dutifully cribbed the mpex numbers from trilema.
mike_c: reporters are awesome (present company not included in sarcasm of course)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3777 @ 0.00085594 = 3.2329 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mike_c: yeah that was my favourite
fluffypony: "IPO: want to raise half of bitcoins to ever exist. plz apply here."
mike_c: not to mention more than existed at the time.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, at the time there were about 9.5mn in total in existence, of which ~1mn still locked as today
mircea_popescu: so... yeah.
mircea_popescu: it would help if the people covering the most important thing happening in the world these years would be at leas tconversant in its basicsa
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i guess the sane construction here is they're paying about 100mn to the various manuf etc to make their chips, and they expect to mine 200mn worth of btc
mircea_popescu: seems a scary tight margin put in those terms, but who knows.
mircea_popescu: also seems they have no intention to even try doing amortisation accounting on the mining rigs
mike_c: well, depreciation. amortization is for non-real things.
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mircea_popescu: i can imagine why.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, so how are miners real things
mike_c: physical machines seem like a tangible asset
mircea_popescu: they indeed seem that way.
mircea_popescu: but why would they be ?
benkay: remember the conversation about the s.mg server?
mircea_popescu: a dream machine made out of a block of obsidian is tangible too ?
mircea_popescu: benkay, no ?
benkay: there was a minor dust-up over the semantics of renting v owning.
mircea_popescu: aa that yes.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics.
mircea_popescu: they're just as tangible now than before, what are they worth ?
mike_c: nothing.
mircea_popescu: this seems to me to fly in the face of the ~fundamental~ point of tangibility
mircea_popescu: granted that the form of it favours your interpretation
mike_c: tangible assets are always overstated in value though
mircea_popescu: but all in all this is a fine example of why i said in the past that bitcoin fucks everything up. it ruined the notion of bonds similarly.
benkay: i had a hilarious experience last night
benkay: some noob was all fired to undercut a regular on the local btc circuit
benkay: make some dollars
benkay: opened his PHONE WALLET to discover that due to its dependency on the blockchain API he was SHIT OUT OF BITCOINS.
benkay: it was awesome. much lectures on understanding what the fuck you're playing with and how it's not a fucking toy were dispensed.
benkay: then i bought from a pro. using laptops.
benkay: sorry for interrupting the magic computers discussion
benkay: http://bitbet.us/bet/858/ << lol @ bitbet trolling for gracious donations
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mircea_popescu: <benkay> it was awesome. << kik pretty good
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mike_c: not only is some dumbass trying to bet after the event, but he bets a whopping 20 cents.
mircea_popescu: lean betting
benkay: <mircea_popescu> im gonna consider sponsoring some people i don't know, because i have no friends and don't know anybody. // this is the same problem i have with figuring out which trade shows to attend. i can't find a pattern to which ones produce leads, so i have to make a bunch of mistakes and learn to sniff out the frauds myself.
benkay: some day my noodle will dry out
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
mircea_popescu: benkay, pretty much th estory of business since niniveh
benkay: <mircea_popescu> gotta love people that send you gpg mail and dutifully include a complete summary in the subject line // even better are cleartext responses quoting the original message
benkay: FIRED.
bitcoinpete: lol usagi sent me a cleartext email the same day he negrated me
bitcoinpete: so i sent an email back to his otc email, a different one than the he'd previously sent from and… message delayed/lost in ether
bitcoinpete: gpg too hard obv
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bitcoinpete: "the memo suggests that perhaps the country isn't eager to pay off all of its creditors."
bitcoinpete: usa in 10 years
bitcoinpete: maybe 20
bitcoinpete: maybe 5
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: mike_c, consider one of the safeguards is used and bricks a generation of asics. << like moving to sha512 or…?
mircea_popescu: nah, there's some extra bytes to be able to brick asics
bitcoinpete: no grok...
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princessnell: chetty terrible. i need to gtfo like yesterday.
chetty: buenos aries is nice princessnell
chetty: gasenwagens are next
princessnell: chetty the conference seems so far away. might need to scope out the place beforehand.
benkay: i just learned about the doge "soak"
benkay: re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest.'
mike_c: that doesn't work for a bakery. you can't serve 10 customers cake and then tell the black guy "this isn't a good deal for me".
danielpbarron: "i'm all out of cake"
benkay: there are just so many ways to do it, though mike_c
benkay: 10x the normal rate
benkay: 100x the normal rate
danielpbarron: i'd just make the homos their stupid cake and then tweet about how homosexuals should be stoned to death later that night
mike_c: and why are you changing the rate? because the guy is gay? doesn't work.
benkay: changing what rate? each customer only sees their own quote
benkay: unless of course you're publishing prices
benkay: for custom work
mike_c: meh, i don't think it works irl. just make the guy a cake. wtf does the baker care? you don't go to hell for making gay cakes.
benkay: but you go to the gulag for saying "naw faggot get out"
mike_c: yeah, so?
mircea_popescu: mike_c, pretty good lol
benkay: don't say that
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mircea_popescu: <benkay> re: gay bakery - don't ever tell anyone why you're refusing to do business with them. 'this just isn't a good deal for me. thanks for your interest. << hyou know this is how the VC circus was born right ? bankers thinking it imprident to laugh in the face of "businessmen"
mircea_popescu: led retarded kids with no negative feedback in a positive feedback loop
benkay: sure
benkay: but the baker answers to a higher power
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mircea_popescu: which is why there should be no higher power than a baker
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benkay: some day.
princessnell: Peter Thiel getting behind campaign finance reform
danielpbarron: how can you even tell the cake is for a gay wedding? i'm guess it has two groom figurines on the top; is it against the law to have a rule that no cake may have two male figurines on top?
danielpbarron: or "the customer must buy the figurines separately and apply them himself"
TomServo: Isn't the real humor re: the gay cake the fact that this ruling occurred in a state in which gay marriage is illegal?
Mats_cd03: that war chest needs about three more zeros to make a difference
asciilifeform: 'GET /wallet.zip HTTP/1.1' from 46.36.222.156 port 49375', 'GET /bitcoin.zip...' [same], lol, is the tard on freenode?
mike_c: danielpbarron: you going to have a rule against black figurines on your cakes too?
danielpbarron: mike_c, I wouldn't, but would that be illegal?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i wonder if this is how usagi backups
mike_c: is discrimination illegal? generally, yes.
mircea_popescu: discrimination can't be illegal.
danielpbarron: how is that discrimination? the rule isn't no black customers; it's no black figurines
mircea_popescu: lol the kid shows promise
chetty: well its the {must have sensitiveity training' that gets me
benkay: wait hang on i figured it out
benkay: "don't transact with the masses"
asciilifeform: 'GET /backups/'..., 'GET /btc/'..., 'GET /safe/'..., 'GET /backup.zip'..., 'GET /.svn/entries' << lol!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, it will be argued that it is in fact discriminatory on the racist presumption that it disproportionately affects black customers, as if they absolutely have to have black figurines on their wedding cake.
mircea_popescu: which is why all this nonsense is so funny, all the racism involved in the arguments against discrimination.
mike_c: danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks.
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chetty: I once had to go to a racism class when I was pregnant, some derp said something about pregnant and barefoot women in the kitchen so I took my shoes off and said 'which way?'
moiety: ok moving time, see yous later!
Naphex: hey xmj troll me with some marketing voodoo about startups i am in the mood:)
danielpbarron: just to clarify, I don't have a problem with blacks, but so what? if you don't like that someone hates blacks then don't do business with them
danielpbarron: nobody is entitled to the service of having a wedding cake made for them
mike_c: "so what" is that a lot of people don't find racism/sexism/homophobia something to simply be ignored.
mike_c: because then you end up with half your country owning slaves.
danielpbarron: a lot of people do really stupid things
chetty: well we have lost 'we reserve the right to refuse service'
davout: danielpbarron: in france we have this "refus de vente" offense, you can't just select your customers if you're selling to the general public
danielpbarron: mike_c, what does slavery have to do with hating blacks??
danielpbarron: mike_c, I am pro-slavery and I don't argue it from a racial point of view
davout: mircea_popescu: "which is why there should be no higher power than a baker" <<< such amen
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asciilifeform: over here, 'right to refuse service' is alive and well in... pubs. it is permitted when based on particular clothing. which the 'untermenschen' helpfully insist on wearing.
xmj: Naphex: yawn
Naphex: funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^
xmj: now i get shat on for describing reality. ffu
xmj: Naphex: troll someone else
danielpbarron: yeah, clubs in NYC turn you away for having the "wrong shoes" which some argue is vailed racism (they are basically saying, blacks don't have nice shoes)
Naphex: what about rapppers?
fluffypony: I like wrap
xmj: Naphex: I've made the same experiences, fwiw. once they notice you're about to spend decent cash.. attire is secondary
davout: asciilifeform: i guess it's not really comparable (we have that too in france, you need to be dressed up to get into nightclubs), thing is, the "dressed-up" criteria is based on measurable things that are laid out beforehand, not on whether oyu like or dislike someone
asciilifeform: davout: not quite the same thing. it's 'no caps', 'no pants with wide bottoms', etc. rather than 'must have civilized suit'
davout: asciilifeform: yeah but it's measurable and not based on *who* wears the clothing
asciilifeform: the folks for whom these items are mandatory, 'national' clothing stay out. and don't seem to complain.
benkay: go once, conform to rules, make friends, spend money, return wearing cap. no problems.
Naphex: see benkay knows how to infiltrate
davout: i mean, the whole baker thing sounds pretty retarded anyway, if i went to a baker that refuses jews i wouldn't insist on giving him business
Naphex: :)))
asciilifeform: davout owns a time machine?
davout: asciilifeform: yes, designed by apple in california
davout: :D
chetty: davout, but thats the point, they do it to push agenda, not to get cake
davout: fucking gayminists
fluffypony: gomunists
mike_c: you assholes got my bp up. who needs coffee.
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xmj: infiltration is piece of cake :)
assbot: Access
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: You know the other planes that have the same paint job, but are no where near the president's location in the world
BingoBoingo: Eh, /, is the suck. They traded my link for abc news
TomServo: BingoBoingo: That's weak.
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mircea_popescu: ycombinator needs to fucking stop sending stuff.
fluffypony: for a moment I was hoping that was on the forum
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mircea_popescu: <mike_c> danielpbarron: you are trying to be cute with the rules, but that is just bullshit. why do you have the rule against black figurines? because you hate blacks. << how serious are you ?!
mike_c: well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines?
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mircea_popescu: <mike_c> because then you end up with half your country owning slaves. << to the great benefit of all those involved.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> funny they let me in everywhere dressed in anything when they see my pockets filled with cash ^.^ << this guy has a real cash fetish :D
Naphex: i don't
Naphex: other people do
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i dunno dood, maybe you don't like the ingredients that have to be used to make it be black.
Naphex: i like bitcoins:D
mircea_popescu: it's such nonsenbse this, that your particular meaning is somehow part of objects now.
mike_c: not part of objects, part of behavior.
mircea_popescu: every culture is free to create its own set of names for the constellations wtf.
chetty: hey they can even draw new ones if they like, dont change the stars
mircea_popescu: mike_c, you against flag burning too ?
mike_c: no
mircea_popescu: so legt me get this straight
mircea_popescu: if i make two paper figurines, one black, one red-white aqnd burn both
mircea_popescu: your bp is going up over a selective subset of this ?
mike_c: thinking..
mircea_popescu: "behaviour" is a cop out. the tendency is to put meaning into objects, which is a task for they who've hunted snipes successfully.
mike_c: some people "hate americans" and act accordingly. I think this is retarded, but it doesn't upset me. some people "hate homos" and act accordingly, yet this does upset me.
mike_c: perhaps this is inconsistent.
Naphex: well i hate people who hate animals
Naphex: and act accordingly
Naphex: and i act accordingly when i see people acting accordingly to hating animals
danielpbarron: <+mike_c> well, relatively serious. is there some other reason you would refuse to use black figurines? << there needn't be any other reason; is it my business or not?
mircea_popescu: it goes much deeper than that mike_c. some years ago, in the days of the johnny cash, trolls burned the flag much to the dismay of the right "silent majority", which was mocked by the progressive left.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile that progressive left has ossified into a "silent majority", and... well... trolls are burning black men much to their display.
mircea_popescu: if this isn't a sad exercise into becoming everything you've hated about the stupidity of your parents
mircea_popescu: i dunno what would be.
mike_c: so what's your point? that I shouldn't care about other people's idiocy? or is it that it isn't stupid to be racist/homophobic.
mircea_popescu: at any raqte, the notion that anyone burned the flag "because they hated america" was so fucking ridiculojus back then
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You just might win the Halep bet
mircea_popescu: quite obviously everyone did it to piss off the people who get pissed off by these things
mircea_popescu: mike_c, my point is that you can't pretend like meaning is immanent. it's not.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, W00t
mircea_popescu: where 00 are b00bies
BingoBoingo: I thought she lost them, because they were holding her back
danielpbarron: why is racism always lumped in with hating homosexuals, and why is hating homosexuals lumped in with homophobia? I'm not afraid of them, lol
mike_c: but there often is meaning. flag burning is dumb. but refusing service based on race/gay/sex does have meaning.
mircea_popescu: so she's going to 4ever be remember as that nigger that didn't need em to have em :D
BingoBoingo: I mean she's now two wins away from the trophy or whatever the fuck they play over.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, seems a distinction devoid of difference, entirely made out of your own interest.
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mircea_popescu: holy shit she has it all huh.
chetty: why would it matter to you what some other person thinks? (random person, not friend or anything)
mircea_popescu: chetty, because you're insecure about your pile of unexamined groupthink items.
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danielpbarron: because the lgbt movement isn't about rights; it's the opposite: it's about forcing acceptance on others
mike_c: 100 people go lynch a black guy. yes, 20 of them only did it because of peer pressure, but 80 of them did do it because they hate/fear/whatever blacks.
danielpbarron: "you better at least pretend to like gays.. OR ELSE."
mike_c: that doesn't mean there was no meaning to any of it.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, it means you can't count on it tho.
mircea_popescu: do people killing rats hate rats for that matter ?
mike_c: sure, i can't count it. but fuck those 20 guys who did it for dumb reasons too.
mircea_popescu: like say an exterminator.
danielpbarron: exterminators probably love rats
chetty: haha well if you live in DC rat killing is not allowed
mike_c: bad analogy. killing rats and/or manuls means nothing.
mircea_popescu: anbd you get to decide which objects carry meanin and which don't and what it is ?
mircea_popescu: what are you, like the mp of creation ?
mike_c: what's the other option? you don't get to assign meaning to anything?
mike_c: "i'm not god, so whatever"
mircea_popescu: you get to do it for yourself,
mircea_popescu: leave some space for the rest of the world.
mike_c: sure, like you left some space for romanians by leaving. you also wrote a blog post telling them they suck on the way out.
mircea_popescu: god help us if i happen to think xmj is stupid and xmj happens to think i shouldn't happen to think that. what's that gonna yield, a law against thinking xmjs are stupi ? enacted by ycombinator ?
mircea_popescu: this is why there shouldn't be a greater power than a baker in the first placre.
xmj: what is wrong with mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: mike_c, i told them they suck while there, too. you don;t know about it because i told THEM
xmj: he's deluded.
pankkake: how old are you xmj?
xmj: 27 today.
midnightmagic: happy birthday
mike_c: hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree.
pankkake: I was already grumpy at 27
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mircea_popescu: not that far. i;m merely pointing at a certain bit of nonsense you seem to have accidentally swallowed
xmj: oh i do agree with that.
xmj: pankkake: i think mircea_popescu is stupid for thinking i'm stupid for describing reality as it is.
mircea_popescu: by the time there's laws directing the proper behaviour in bakeries the discussion as to whether the state failed or succeedded is moot
xmj: go work for a few venture capital-funded startups.
xmj: you'll see what i mean.
mircea_popescu: both states having collapsed into a singularity.
pankkake: it looks like a misunderstanding like only the internet can create
Naphex: lol
xmj: yeah, no
Naphex: xmj: man no matter what startup or the funding, knowing your shit is always good
xmj: he thinks i'm describing a should-state
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Naphex: and thinking about your hardware always counts
xmj: Naphex: Obviously.
Naphex: no matter what lean mean strategy you pull
pankkake: yes, that's what it seems
Naphex: and also, storing private data on hypervisors you don't control
Naphex: makes it insecure
Naphex: period
Naphex: so thats that with that argument
pankkake: can't we just stay meta?
xmj: Naphex: case in point: all startups here in estonia i've heard of do not buy hardware but use aws/rackspace/...
Naphex: xmj: and that is in no way a good thing
Naphex: they may do that, they may thing its correct
mircea_popescu: lol looks like Naphex got his wish
xmj: AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
Naphex: but it is not
xmj: jo
Naphex: +xmj> AWS is a given in many orgs, rule of thumb is the costs will be one employee.
Naphex: why not do everything yourself?
xmj: (now that's for smaller ones between 10 and 20 people)
chetty: I think I just got a new curse word - consensus
xmj: Naphex: because it's not part of the "core business" and you don't get seed-funded to do that.
xmj: in other words.. don't ask me
xmj: ask their COOs
asciilifeform: wait was someone seriously arguing for the merits of 'cloud' crapola ?!
mike_c: xmj: what percentage of these companies fail?
Naphex: what do i care about their co's
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, it;s unclear yet.
xmj: mike_c: Most :)
Naphex: but don't just go about hosting bitcoins on vps's
asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here
Naphex: and tell customers they're secure
mike_c: most = what? > 90%? > 99%?
xmj: probably somewhere like that
xmj: i could pull numbers out of my ass
mike_c: so why the hell would you be pushing their shitty methodology?
xmj: you might just as well read some techcrunch
xmj: mike_c: again, I'm not
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform was doing actual work, to his misfortune, must've missed all the good stuff here << we'll get the cardano once b-a becomes boring
xmj: mike_c: I describe what I see people doing without value judgment.
Naphex: one day a bored aws admin will grep for private keys :)
chetty now applying for admin job pls
Naphex: or lol
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
Naphex: grep for walletpassphrase (*.)
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 649.4, vol: 18742.35969948 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 637.0, vol: 12842.89905 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 650.58, vol: 27676.79113624 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 663.99, vol: 22.30524757 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 643.7664, vol: 7005.07430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 644.15564, vol: 64.15305076 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.944, vol: 88.08421187 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 646.905240805
Naphex: and wallet.dat
atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 47k@141 25k@141 100k@140
xmj: what could possibly go wrong haha
mircea_popescu: Naphex, you saw the earlier lines from asciilifeform ? bitcoin.zip etc
xmj: if you must back it up in teh cloud, at least use tarsnap.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, am i the only one old enough to remember the reason we don't use linode ?
mike_c: i remember the why, but not the who.
pankkake: I remember and I had 0 bitcoins at the time even
pankkake: another "wtf are those kids doing" moment
mircea_popescu: mike_c, slush and bitcoinica.
kakobrekla: instawallet ?
mike_c: the answer to everything is bitcoinica :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: "the sec is pleased to announce that it suffered a net loss of only $150,000 in securing mr voorhees' conviction" << it wasn't a conviction. more like "the sec spent 150k for bitcoin people to go "here's a dime go buy something nice for yourself and stfu""
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla, nah you recall the breach when a linode emplooyee just ran off with th ewallets
danielpbarron: <+mike_c> hehe. i think we are talking about limits on freedom. you think people should be free to be racist/homophobic. i'm not sure i agree. << you think people should be free to commit acts of sodomy; I am *sure* I don't agree. Which one of our sensibilities is more valuable? My solution is: you enforce your anti-racist w/e on your property, and I'll enforce my anti-homo w/e on mine.
mircea_popescu: and linode first lied about it, then offered people a 1 month free coupon
mircea_popescu: slush ended up covering 4k from pocket
pankkake: lol I didn't know about the employee and the coupon. golden
mike_c: danielpbarron: you own any apple products?
mircea_popescu: this was before wallets were encrypted by the reference client
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
Naphex: man people who host on vps will host their .bash_history and wallet code there as well
Naphex: encrypted will do no help
assbot: pankkake / asslyrics / source / hotelbitcoinica.txt — Bitbucket
Naphex: cause you can get they key
mircea_popescu: Naphex, that too.
pankkake: if it's on a virtual instance, you can just inspect the memory
Naphex: why bother
danielpbarron: <+mike_c> danielpbarron: you own any apple products? << ya; my iPhone is the first and last apple crap i'll ever buy
asciilifeform: 'some learn from book; others, from example; the rest must piss on the electric fence personally'
mike_c: good thing, can't be giving more money to tim cook.
danielpbarron: mike_c, everyone is disgusting; I hate everyone. I wouldn't do business with anyone if that were my criteria
mike_c: :)
mike_c: </rant>
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron, why so angry ?
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, heh i'm not angry; it's Biblical hatred
danielpbarron: all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
diametric: is this guy for real, i can't recall that nick before.
mike_c: oh he's serious. you should see when him and Luke-Jr get going.
mircea_popescu: god damned usb conventions
mircea_popescu: i have 8 cabloes here, and im not even sure i got one for each case ;/
diametric: universal indeed
mircea_popescu: diametric, yeah what mike said
mircea_popescu: so fucking universal it could be an endangered species for its universality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02124 = 0.1487 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;google DE .5 gold plated
gribble: Engagement Rings: Buy Engagement Rings in Jewelry at Sears: <http://www.sears.com/jewelry-wedding-engagement-jewelry-bridal-jewelry-engagement-rings/b-1327352579>; AuroDur Datasheet - RfMW: <http://www.rfmw.com/Rosenberger_AuroDur_EN_070221.pdf>; Oscar De La Renta 24-Karat Gold-Plated Drop Earrings - Polyvore: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: holi shyt.
mircea_popescu: ;;google Desert Eagle which is a .5 hand cannon designed for shooting the idiots that made this mess, gold plated
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: i blame mike_c
mike_c: ;;google desert eagle .50
gribble: Desert Eagle, .50 AE, Black - Magnum Research, Inc.: <http://www.magnumresearch.com/firearms/magnum-research-desert-eagle-50-ae-black.asp>; Desert Eagle .50 Cal One Handed - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVuRLztDljY>; My Wife -vs- the Desert Eagle .50 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFJjaj7pXsA>
mike_c: americans know how to find guns.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ^ there is another example.
BingoBoingo: ^ cannon
asciilifeform: 'eagle', as i understand, is among the more impractical small arms ever sold
mike_c: don't call it small, you'll make it mad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you've been lied to.
asciilifeform: wrist destruction machine
mircea_popescu: it's not a fucking smg.
asciilifeform: reminds me of another peculiar american small arm, often seen in catalogues - the pocket m16.
asciilifeform: ^ example
fluffypony: mike_c: you'll be pleased to know that I'm sticking to my iPhone, and will probably be getting the iPhone 6 when it comes out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 201 @ 0.0037249 = 0.7487 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: this chan will be known in retrospect mostly by the abundance and insistence of heresy
mike_c: blech, get an android. i was just looking for ammo.
asciilifeform: never know when you might chance upon a rhinoceros.
fluffypony: in -otc: [19:47:39] ronkrt: Any investor types that would care to chat about a possible great investment op?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust ronkrt
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user ronkrt: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=ronkrt | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ronkrt | Rated since: Mon Jun 2 03:02:14 2014
fluffypony: should I give him the support number and tell him he can phone to learn how to IPO?
mircea_popescu: let's not troll moiety too much
assbot: The .577 Tyrannosaur | Shall Not Be Questioned
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: neato! have you tried it?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No. But seems to be actual anti Rhinocerous weapon.
BingoBoingo: ;;google .700 Nitro Express
gribble: .700 Nitro Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.700_Nitro_Express>; 700 Nitro Express - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D41NYBHkb9M>; Cameron fires the .700 Nitro Express - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsTKFnThh6Q>
BingoBoingo: ^ Moar innovation
assbot: 700 NITRO EXPRESS RIFLE
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: if she got it, she wouldn't work for motherboard << isn't this sexist ? shouldn't it be fatherboard ?
mike_c: personboard
asciilifeform: why settle for half-measures.
BingoBoingo: Very good question
asciilifeform: there used to be surplus 'lahti' (finland) on u.s. market
asciilifeform: no idea what happened to that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0738486 = 0.2954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02108045 = 0.1054 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: nubbins`:
mircea_popescu: "The SEC’s investigation was conducted by Daphna A. Waxman, Daphne P. Downes, and Philip R. Moustakis of the New York Regional Office. Ms Waxman's contribution was particularly unimpressive; she has left the SEC to pursue other ventures." << wtf that's a quote ?!
mircea_popescu: pankkake: it's weird to name yourself bitcoinwoman << about as weird as bitcoingirl. kinda lulzy how female identity is constructed in th eeng;lish space
mircea_popescu: "you know pete ? well im like pete, but a woman"
mircea_popescu: or, "i'm the woman with pete"
mircea_popescu: ultimate derivative product.
mircea_popescu: at least derpy guys understand that bitcoinman doesn't work, so they go for bitcoinjezuz instead
mircea_popescu: i guess since there are no famous or remarkable women in history, women can't do the same thing. wtf is bitcoinmarymagdalene.
mircea_popescu: and so that's the gripe with patriarchy : it gave it easy to guys. there we go, i now understand 4th wave feminism.
mircea_popescu: they're butthurt that guys can go "bitcoinjesus" but they have to go "bitcoingirl"
mike_c: bitcoinoprah?
mircea_popescu: she;s fat.
mike_c: only ever other season
mike_c: *every
mircea_popescu: what 20yo underfed white chick from milkaukee is going to indentify herself with a 60yo aretha franklin lookalike
assbot: HEDGE FUND BTC
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Arethra doesn't look Oprah bad
pankkake: bitcoinjoanofarc
mircea_popescu: i can't tell black people apart because i'm racist.
mircea_popescu: they all look the same to me.
pankkake: can you tell koreans apart?
mircea_popescu: only by height.
mircea_popescu: "I'm the owner Hedge Fund BTC list today in BitcoinBourse ticker HFB and Hedge Fund LTC list today in LitecoinInvest ticker HFLTC. Today BitcoinBourse change terms for merchants. I consider than are unacceptables."
mircea_popescu: (i;m an asshole, i can't tell most people apart. also i'm famous for thinking most women are blonde etc)
BingoBoingo: Wait, is dotcoin complaining about himself nao?
pankkake: bitcoinbourse is also female
mircea_popescu: that's bitcoinpourse
mircea_popescu: different.
mircea_popescu: (can you tell them apart ?)
mike_c: nobody can tell other races apart. your brain is wired from childhood to be sensitive to distinctions in your own race's facial features.
mircea_popescu: i can tell jews apart...
mike_c: then you got some of that blood in you somewhere
mircea_popescu: im sure some grandmother musta fucked a nigger at some point, what's this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: bitcoinnoether?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00085615 = 14.1659 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, no see, they'd have had to read to know that. like, books
mircea_popescu: what good is it if you gotta work for it.
mircea_popescu: ok bitbet payments should have b4een caught up
mircea_popescu: If BitcoinBourse don't reconsiders her new maintenance fees perhaps we need to any of this:
mircea_popescu: - Migrate to any other exchange.
mircea_popescu: o noes, what do they charge now ?
Naphex: Bitcoin is money for internet. Internet money good. Buy some. Price go up. You spend. Everyone happy.
Naphex: " "
Naphex: forgot the quotes
punkman: Naphex: who's that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40800 @ 0.00085239 = 34.7775 BTC [-]
Naphex: some guy from reddit
Naphex: just foind it funny
asciilifeform: in unrelated news, the wikiwagen seems to have vanished from the vacant lot it lived in, on my street. not long after i last mentioned it here.
assbot: Anonymous is engaged in battle for truth over evil Christine Ann Sands - News - World - The Voice of Russia: News, Breaking news, Politics, Economics, Business, Russia, International current events, Expert opinion, podcasts, Video
asciilifeform: ^ purported interview with owner
assbot: ANONOMOBILE | Anonymous Mobile Unit | Government Transparency Intelligence Task Force
asciilifeform: ^ honeypot on wheels
punkman: lol
punkman: "God has appointed Anonymous and WikiLeaks to reveal the truth and Occupy to guard it.  John 8:32"
punkman: so they are into god now?
asciilifeform: check out the pr0n in the comment thread
asciilifeform: poor woman, seems like the shitter in the van doesn't work. there's a portable latrine on the grounds.
bitstein: ;;later tell bitcoinpete This one's dedicated to you: https://twitter.com/Bitstein/status/474257865360678913
assbot: "Hi, I'm Dr Steve Brule with BitAngels. Wanna make some money with your cool bit-Coins? Buy /hashtag/MaidSafe?src=hash, ya dummies!" http://t.co/V9JrwDyGGe
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: a few days ago, i take an evening walk, see the place - no wikiwagen, the other (unmarked) bus on the grounds also gone, two women poking at what looks like the remains of a ruined bicycle.
mircea_popescu: bitstein, can you translate for the slow ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you don't have enough experience to recognise a symbian once it's been used by a progressive, i take it ?
Naphex: well
Naphex: steve brule
assbot: Brown's Day Care -Dr Steve Brule - YouTube
mircea_popescu: Naphex, is that anything like creme
jurov: selling rubbermaid?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: symbian, the dumbphone os ?
asciilifeform: a bit lost here
mircea_popescu: ;;google symbian, the machine that'll fuck any fatty.
asciilifeform: sybian.
mircea_popescu: letters, they're all the same.
mircea_popescu: why discriminate.
asciilifeform: i must confess, didn't knock on the door of the wagen, didn't see if one was installed.
assbot: Keep 'Em Outside | Tim and Eric Awesome Show, Great Job! | Adult Swim - YouTube
asciilifeform: i do wonder as to the objective: poor lamer knocks on the door, invited for tea, vivisected ?
mircea_popescu: just bored to death i bet.
asciilifeform: didn't care to find out
Naphex: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g31nLatyci4#t=395 watch and see a huge peter schiff having a brainfart
assbot: Buying Gold With Bitcoin Just Got Easier - YouTube
Naphex: on the value of bitcoin
Naphex: "the people made gold money, not the goverments"
Naphex: olol
Naphex: "and gold wouldn't have ever value if the people wouldn't have done that, but bitcoin has no value":o
mircea_popescu: wtf derpage is this
mircea_popescu: of course the lord made gold money.
bitstein: Look at this innovative monetary technology you can get your hands on with Bitcoin now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cNwaA5sNr8
assbot: Valcambi CombiBar - The New Gold Standard in Gold - YouTube
mircea_popescu: the people were invented in 1797 what the fuck is this bullshit, "the people"
asciilifeform: 'Once there was The People—Terror gave it birth; Once there was The People and it made a Hell of Earth. Earth arose and crushed it. Listen, O ye slain! Once there was The People—it shall never be again!' - mr k
Naphex: so much bull from that peter schiff
Naphex: about legs
Naphex: and pulls
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07150001 = 0.5005 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yoiu don't understand the knowledge.
mircea_popescu: btw, what's anyone think of the new trilema header ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30392 @ 0.00085196 = 25.8928 BTC [-] {2}
Naphex: looks good
Naphex: staring down the crowd
Naphex: i wonder all the people who think you don't exist or are some anon troll, who do they think you place on the header pictures?:)
mircea_popescu: ken slaughter.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 110 @ 0.02128336 = 2.3412 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: alternatively, most of them can't read trilema because it is painful.
mike_c: trilema cookie bug? I re-cookied, I can read articles, but homepage keeps giving me paywall. credits are showing correctly in top right.
mircea_popescu: mike_c, possibly, will examine.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665766 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.1950481 = 0.3901 BTC [-]
mike_c: i like the new pic btw. the greenery is nice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.195048 BTC [-]
Naphex: so.. if the difficulty adjusts itself to do sha256 for 10 minutes, isn't bitcoin backed by TIME?
Naphex: *woah*
Apocalyptic: *mind blown*
Naphex: someone should give that to the presses to annoy all silver/gold/money bugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.194 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19850168 = 1.191 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: so yeah maybe proof of work is the future future
Naphex: how else can you pack 10 minutes of yard work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.19383404 = 0.3877 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and time conquers all.
Naphex: nothing else more valuable
danielpbarron: 14:54:18 <+mircea_popescu> btw, what's anyone think of the new trilema header ? << i kinda miss the monopoly one, even though all the later ones have looked better an an aesthetic sense
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8337 @ 0.00085801 = 7.1532 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: they're in a rotation, it'll come back eventually.
mircea_popescu: !up phlurker
los_pantalones: mircea_popescu how about this one?
los_pantalones: for a banner
mircea_popescu: a) it myust be 1024 wide ; b) i don't own the copyright
los_pantalones: oh damn your practical objections!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0728399 = 0.2185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665809 BTC [+]
Naphex: i have a question, why is XRP volume so high
Naphex: specifically for Justcoin for example
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19665852 BTC [+]
assbot: Bitcoin Charts / Markets
fluffypony: Naphex: dumpers gotta dump?
Naphex: no it was high before as well
mike_c: 24h volume is 16 btc, is that high?
mike_c: << knows little about ripple
Naphex: mike_c: their BTCEUR volume is 12
Naphex: and its consistently higher then BTCEUR
mircea_popescu: mike_c, fixed ?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: fixed.
Naphex: i don't care about ripple, but kept noticing it and wondered if they pump the volume on exchanges that accept XRP or what
Naphex: i don't see much interest in xrp anyway and all the news i bet didn't help
assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
mircea_popescu: TomServo: wasn't there a wife too? << yeah lol. she wanted me to not condescend her.
mircea_popescu: princessnell: i used to think to myself "well, these women are at least promoting the tech in a way that other women can understand." but they're only thinking of it as a consumption tool, which is worse than doing nothing at all. << by george, nell got it exactly.
mircea_popescu: more consumers is pretty much the least needed thing, above more plastic containers even.
mircea_popescu: pankkake, https://unsee.cc/mabozise/ <<< hyou know this looks like a twink do you ?
assbot: Unsee — Free online private photo sharing
assbot: Twink (gay slang) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
pankkake: when shaved I have a tendency to attract the gay. hard fail on "little or no body hair, and no facial hair"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, "Maybe Goldman Sachs execs will be unemployed and busy holding an Occupy Bitcoin protest outside Andreas Tower."
mircea_popescu: dude it must be crazy to live in there.
mircea_popescu: you;ve given my crew indigestion.
fluffypony: Andreas Tower is going to be awesome
mircea_popescu: "derp. o god i can't read those comments." etc
fluffypony: right next to the Tsukino Usagi Center For Kids Who Can'T Backup Good And Want To Learn To Do Other Things Good Too
mircea_popescu: "Seriously? You should have taken those bastards to court. They have no jurisdiction. All you have done is pave the way for them to blackmail others in the future. I hope you're proud of yourself."
mircea_popescu: apparently not even reddit takes kindly to erik these days.
fluffypony: I don't get it
Naphex: Romanian Christmas lights
Naphex: in Argentina
fluffypony: ah ok
Naphex: truly a wonder
mircea_popescu: Naphex, romania had major ties to argentina, going all the way back to peron's days.
asciilifeform: la casa del transformador!
mircea_popescu: to this day you can see logan on the streets here (tho the renault assholes are branding it aqs renault not dacia)
mircea_popescu: and most of their oil drilling eq is ro made.
asciilifeform moves to ar, opens an 'Umformerschwitz'
mircea_popescu: many regulars got their little offering in that article.
pankkake: hm, penguirker is too dumb and speaks before it can
assbot: We continue our foray into distant lands pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: well he's yoiung
fluffypony: so mircea_popescu
fluffypony: "This is a steak, and I’m etting it."
fluffypony: is that like Instagramming it?
pankkake: why can't we send steaks over the internet yet?
mircea_popescu: too late, it's already etted.
fluffypony: pankkake: you can, you just need Proof of Steak
mircea_popescu: but you have nfi what steaks are.
mircea_popescu: until you argentina.
asciilifeform: tiny motorcycles. what's petrol cost over there ?
mircea_popescu: somehow people think pork is tender than beef.
mircea_popescu: THEY ARE WORNGK
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, exactly the same as in the us, remarkably.
asciilifeform: what about mains? kw/h
mircea_popescu: argentina is a country with twice the population and three times the gdp of romania.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that's quite complex because of the multi layered social support systems htey use
mircea_popescu: it also varies a lot by where in the country.
mircea_popescu: commercial power from what i understand is about 4cents/kwh or so
asciilifeform: about 10c here
asciilifeform: (in practice, more, after various 'fees')
mircea_popescu: jurov: let's skip to the part where bitcoiners have personal drivers << you're trying to go back in time to 1995 so that you can work hard for 20 years, save a nd buy many bitcoin pizzas in 2010 ?
mircea_popescu: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 178842.38 Est. Next Diff: 768307.81 in 858 blocks (#34272) Est. % Change: 329.60
mircea_popescu: holky shit batman
mircea_popescu: didn't it just drop 60% ? what is this, stop and go miniung ?
asciilifeform: TaT blew a fuse?
mike_c: yup. pool hoppers pump up the diff, then leave, then come back when the diff drops again.
assbot: Beta-Testing Clinkle's New App Sounds Like a Nightmare
mircea_popescu: assbot: The First 'Bitcoin 2.0' Kickstarter-like Campaign Was A Wildly Successful $7 Million Disaster - Forbes << a good title for once.
atcbot: 3k@180 5k@175 2k@170 | 46k@141 25k@141 100k@140
mircea_popescu: mike_c, ah, this is actually +ev because it allows them to select when to mine huh
mircea_popescu: the max 400% increase rule suddenly is very smart.
mircea_popescu: this behaviour should actually make atc trading very productive
mircea_popescu: up until miners buckle down and submit.
BingoBoingo: OMG Mircea spilled the sekrits
mircea_popescu: ow sheit.
mircea_popescu: pls to not read loges everyone.
BingoBoingo: Now everyone is going to give shitcoins max increase rools and long adjustment times.
mircea_popescu: a woe is me.
Naphex: what is it with this youngin hackers. hacker got customer account, couldn't unlock it to send funds. decided to email support
Naphex: in russian
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: I still can't believe the SEC implicitly offered MPEx such a glowing endorsement today. << whay not.
Naphex: to manually approve it
BingoBoingo: PC1 will have to resort to selling Doge pelts to the chinese
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Because they didn't make it explicit
BingoBoingo: %ticker
mircea_popescu: i dont tihnk they're allowed to.
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 141 Ask: 170 Last Price: 141 24h-Vol: 203k High: 143 Low: 141 VWAP: 141
mircea_popescu: (this is arcana, but from what i understand no agency with enforcing capacity is allowed to mention specifically any company outside of the context of bringing charges)
mircea_popescu: can't go "do it like x"
mircea_popescu: can only go "don't do y like x did"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: that is my new favourite quote << it's pretty acurate. the guy should be here, invite him.
fluffypony: ;;later tell bitstein why isn't Daniel Krawisz on IRC? get him here!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: moiety: ok i'll try and work it in << lol don't let these goons talk you into absolutely anything. you're a nice girl, but they need their spanking
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asciilifeform: ^ 'sola' is here
asciilifeform: loud little bugger
asciilifeform: perhaps he'll be a little less obnoxious when he gets new fans.
mike_c: seems big for 8 amps
asciilifeform: about the size of a breadbox.
asciilifeform: fits on a book shelf.
mike_c: ah. need to put a quarter on it :)
mike_c: looked bigger to me.
asciilifeform: i was expecting something more like a 2 drawer filing cabinet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.0008587 = 46.0263 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: [ANN] [NAUT] Nautiluscoin - First Coin w/Stabilization Fund - Digishield << lawl.
mircea_popescu: i suppose P1 hasn't happened yet.
fluffypony: such stablefund
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Mats_cd03: 14:26 <•pankkake> can you tell koreans apart?
Apocalyptic: mircea, interesting
mircea_popescu: jurov: tinkerers and people who know how to do things right are such incredibly disjoint groups << word.
mircea_popescu: !up alex_c
Apocalyptic: there was this "maladie de la vache folle" hype in french media a couple of years back
mircea_popescu: i reclal
mircea_popescu: is la vache qui rit still a brand btw ?
Apocalyptic: hehe, it is
mircea_popescu: was [pretty lulzy at the height of the mad cow scare
mircea_popescu: i'd give people triangles of french velveeta
mircea_popescu: with a laughing cow on it
Mats_cd03: yes. the men wear tight pants
mircea_popescu: mike_c: it is truly amazing how it keeps doubling << it is.
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mircea_popescu: soon it will start controlloing the price of electricity.
chetty: Last of the original Navajo Code Talkers, Chester Nez, died today at 93
mircea_popescu: zee germanz never actually managed to figure out navajo did they
mircea_popescu: dub: similar(ly stupid) ideas about spending them after fiat collapses as metals probably, libertardation << seems credible. some sort of fetishism.
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
asciilifeform: ^ first saw that one on orlov's page. i think he's friends with the artist.
mircea_popescu: infinite hitpoints, as a property of the environment not of the idiots.
mircea_popescu: seems intuitively correct.
Naphex: omg, this scammer even contacted acount owner
Naphex: to try to get him to approve withdrawal
Naphex: telling him he works for Btcxchange
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princessnell: !up Daniel_Krawisz
Daniel_Krawisz: I heard someone was asking about me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0716 = 0.358 BTC [-]
princessnell: fluffypony & mircea_popescu here's your man
Daniel_Krawisz: Do we do any role playing in here?
Naphex: lol russian hacker even subscribed customer youtube account to https://www.youtube.com/user/CrazyRussianHacker
assbot: CrazyRussianHacker - YouTube
Naphex: wtf :o
fluffypony: Daniel_Krawisz!
fluffypony: welcome
fluffypony: if your article on appcoins was an Instagram pic I would heart it or something
Daniel_Krawisz: Are you a fan of My Little Pony?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.02052 = 0.1642 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Daniel_Krawisz: He's the resident deviant
mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz, o, you the guy with the quote ?
mircea_popescu: !up p10tr
Daniel_Krawisz: I was the person quoted in the Forbes.com article on MaidSafeCoin if that's the quote you meant.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: seems so yeah. welcome
mircea_popescu: ;;google the psychology of the bagholder
gribble: The psychology of the bagholder pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-psychology-of-the-bagholder/>; Martie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/03>; Current Market Psychology... : BitcoinMarkets - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/1t25uo/current_market_psychology/>
mircea_popescu: pretty much the same concept.
Daniel_Krawisz: Thanks, I loved your thingy about the critical theory doctorates who had to clean the bus with their tits. It reminded me of Rabelais.
mircea_popescu: ha! well im flattered.
mircea_popescu: of all the people one can remind of...
fluffypony: Daniel_Krawisz: I'm not a MLP fan at all, I just got given this nick years and years ago and it stuck
Daniel_Krawisz: If I see text in red, does that mean only I can see it?
mircea_popescu: no it means you were named in it
mircea_popescu: most clients can be configured to also ding when that happens
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052 = 0.1026 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Daniel_Krawisz
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Daniel_Krawisz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Daniel_Krawisz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Daniel_Krawisz | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Daniel_Krawisz 1 I remind him of Gargantua.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: gotta make one of those, then you can auto voice yourself.
Daniel_Krawisz: How do I get in the GPG database?
BingoBoingo: ;;google bitcoin-otc wiki registration guide
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Daniel_Krawisz: Ok, thanks.
mircea_popescu: Daniel_Krawisz, also, the entire length of endless discussion to date is to be found in
mircea_popescu: the log one.
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BingoBoingo: PUBLIC AUCTION - FORMER NIKE MISSILE LAUNCH SITE
fluffypony: nike missiles???
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: It was a 1950's and 60's concept where incoming bombers would be brought down by short range nuclear missiles
fluffypony: ah, got excited about Nike's diversification program there for a moment
BingoBoingo: "The 14-acre site includes 3 underground concrete bunkers, each approximately 68’ x 76’ and 18’ deep with 10’10”+- ceiling clearance. The 3 bunkers have 9’6” x 53'8” elevator pads which are operational."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, entirely worthless in the us tho.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sadly so.
BingoBoingo: !up paxtoncamaro91
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still, would be a nice "workshop" setup if the location was better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.19300043 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Large underground workspace with elevator apparatus capable of lifing vehicles, the industrial uses are endless
mircea_popescu: in an actual country.
mircea_popescu: in the us, the uses are inexistent.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It isn't that there is benefit derived from it. It is that when we can beat the Coindesks to the aggregators, it injures them in ways only they can rationalize. << wow that's an unexpected point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened. << pretty much. a dangerous gambit, of course, as the world also goes about its business scarcely taking notice of their efforts.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Also to the CoinDesks, it is the only one.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i actually had wondered why $15k plus damages -- didn't realize until you pointed out that they didn't touch s.dice << yeah, funny how that worked huh.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: mp tells the sec to get stuffed, they shrug and then do exactly that << what did you expect'd happen ? a bureaucrat is perhaps the finest detector of who has the bigger stick in existence.
fluffypony: "I know most of you scoff at the idea of storing BTC on Coinbase, but I am not nearly as technologically inclined as most of you. Each storage suggestion I read looks to me like this:
fluffypony: 1. Download armory and Electrum and run armory from an offline underground bunker.
fluffypony: 2. double encrypt using Eorepadaeuium with 4 USB drives running Linux UEc.3f3.c2q1
fluffypony: 3. backup with Efekjwsf and wefkjlfe + qt and create a public key, private key, and semi-private key.
fluffypony: 4. print private key and public key, but not semi-private key. Laminate printed copies and store in a vault along with 3 of the 4 USB drives. But be sure not to run EFkjlwef foeropwerk.
fluffypony: 5. Use a submarine to bury the vault in the ocean.
fluffypony: 6. A hacker who is %1000 times smarter than you is watching your every move and will steal all your bitcoin if you slip up.
fluffypony: More near computer illiterate people like be are going to be buying BTC, and Coinbase seems like the safer and simpler option."
mircea_popescu: these argentines are a muy festive people.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony, i guess you just explained xapo's vp for asciilifeform too.
Naphex: probably needed
Naphex: to keep up morale
mircea_popescu: Naphex, either that or just incredibly lazy.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a mega band thing with drums and butt shakings marching down the street
mircea_popescu: as every other fucking day
mircea_popescu: you'd think you're in france with much better women.
Naphex: so what language are you speaking over there though?
Naphex: locals know english?
mircea_popescu: im fluent in spanish
mircea_popescu: lol great gif
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#701006 <<< ahahaha the great spammor.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: o such lulz that wikipedia is.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 109 @ 0.00208906 = 0.2277 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You also have to understand. Of the relatively early Bitcoiners MP is practically a saint. << i thought i had a bad reputation.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: We're going off of actual actions and not Jimmothy and CiuCiu retellings
mircea_popescu: whoa ciuciu
mircea_popescu: i wonder under what name he's back
BingoBoingo: That's the fifty cent question
mircea_popescu: i also wonder how long before i'll be the oldest guy in bitcoin, between people pulling the satoshi melt-in-mists trick on one hand and the 5years up to your room erik trick
mircea_popescu: usagi hotwallet method:to a hot array of failing hard disks is added a bitcoin wallet, and all backups. Hotter coffee is added splashwise until the hot wallet becomes cold. << ahahaha SPLASHWISE!
mircea_popescu: that's gotta be a word now.
Naphex: depends on bitcoins growth
Naphex: really
Naphex: the question is, how long before you stop recognizing everyone
Naphex: and its just a sea of scams
Naphex: and scammers
Naphex: going in and out
Naphex: daily
mircea_popescu: that can't happen, i have a whole department working on it.
mircea_popescu: nao if only the sec would be making more definite steps towards halping
Naphex: :))
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Phinnaeus: I'm curious as to when Micrea had that pic taken where he's in front of the pyramid on a horse. << 2003 iirc.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: I thought settling with Erik over GLBSE shennanigans was helping, they have quite the backlog of stuff to catch up on... Gigavps, Thermos, et al..
mircea_popescu: mike_c: asciilifeform: do you know if this is true? "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" << nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography.
mike_c: c'mon, you know ascii knows and just won't tell
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, im not one to give last night's calves black eyes, but.... as you say, loing backlog.
BingoBoingo: I imagine a cycle stabilizing where MP shames securities scammer, SEC scoops them up months later.
BingoBoingo: Then in about 10 years the "community" notices this is a thing
Naphex: so why not turn that depratment and review into a service
Naphex: and do a bitsec
Naphex: after 1 year sell seals :))
Apocalyptic: "nobody fucking knpows if this is true, this is the mn dollar question in practical cryptography." wait
Naphex: mpsec approved
Apocalyptic: is this the question "is the discrete logarithm problem as hard as the factorization problem" ?
Apocalyptic: cause if so it has been proved afaik
mircea_popescu: not exactly
mircea_popescu: Naphex, i don't really perceive the benefit.
Naphex: same thing only condensed
Naphex: maybe as an experiment, who knows the benefit
mircea_popescu: the problem with commodization is that it destroys quality.
Naphex: picking out the good from the bad should be a skill everyone has, but that ain't gonna happen
mike_c: Apocalyptic: there are also considerations around which curve you use. i believe certain curves are known to be weak.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, how so ?
mircea_popescu: in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be
Naphex: well you compress it, and let people act based on a rating
Naphex: they can optimize but have errors
Apocalyptic: mike_c, indeed, i'm talking in curves over GF(p), with p prime
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, Eric Bach wrote a paper about this
Apocalyptic: Bach proves: 1) If you can compute log. modulo $N$, you can factor $N$ 2) If you can factor $N$ and compute logs modulo each factor, then you can compute logs. modulo $N$
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, the question is more subtle than that. perhaps a better rendering would be "which of rsa, ec is more likely to have tiny pores we don't kjnow about"
mircea_popescu: such as a particularly easy to attack space etc.
Apocalyptic: but that's a different question
mircea_popescu: none of these considerations are wide berth issues such as bach's.
mircea_popescu: not that the result is unimportant, obv.
Naphex: mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work.
Naphex: enjoying the read
mike_c: thanks!
mircea_popescu: yeah guy is making some serious inroads in post-btc journalism
mircea_popescu: !up decima`
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Apocalyptic: <Naphex> mike_c: btcalpha is very good, great work. // I concur
diametric: it boggles my mind xapo uses a 4 digit password.
diametric: it at least has 2FA for withdraw related activities
Apocalyptic: mircea, I see, my interpretation of "EC-based keys are just as secure as RSA keypairs" was different
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic, "in the general case" versus "in any practical case"
Apocalyptic: indeed
fluffypony: diametric: lolwut
fluffypony: "secure"
diametric: fluffypony: yeah. xapo authentication is your email + 4 digit "pin"
diametric: its 2014 ffs.
fluffypony: that seems needlessly retarded
mircea_popescu: 2014 sounds like a great pin
diametric: the best of pins.
diametric: 1234. 0000. 8008 is a classic as well.
mircea_popescu: ;;google "you'll feel those needles and pins"
diametric: i wonder if they implement captcha or ip banning on multiple failed attempts
diametric: or can i bruteforce this with a python script.
mircea_popescu: easy enough to test
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: pins & needles now << you are pushing your sacral vertebra into your pudendal nerve
Naphex: Apocalyptic: but isn't ECDH safe from shor's attack?
Naphex: from lets say quantum computers
Naphex: thats why you do ECDH to factorize instead of just EC
Apocalyptic: ECDH isn't of big interest for bitcoin
Naphex: must've missed th epoint
Apocalyptic: ECDH is just a protocol for key exchange
punkman: ECDSA is what btc uses, ECDH is another thing
Apocalyptic: ECDSA is what bitcoin relies on
punkman: oh there ;)
Naphex: yeah sorry vertical reading sometimes fails
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mircea_popescu: great way to become functionally identical to any woman.
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Naphex: off to sleep gn o/
mircea_popescu: moiety: this stupid slenderman crap is going to be made into some crap film at some point, wont it << if the us weren't out of money, it would habve been.
mircea_popescu: fortunately bollywood couldn't care less about western nonsense
mircea_popescu: they got their own
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mike_c: but how do we fix bitcoin when the aliens come?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin does not practice safe sex and how to fix this pressing problem
mircea_popescu: it's also racist, privilegionist and anti-environmentalist.
mircea_popescu: how to fix these too.
mike_c: i think there's a t-shirt with the answer
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not pouring me another drink
mircea_popescu: how t ofix this problem.
mike_c: call moiety
punkman: bitcoin whiskey atm
mircea_popescu: how slender would she have to be to pour me drinks from under scotland's green pine tree
assbot: I did a world's first! ...hopefully :) : Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: did he get laid ?
punkman: yeah for 0.2btc
mircea_popescu: jesus christ i nailed him.
mircea_popescu: how fucking hard was that.
punkman: that's a cheap hooker for amsterdam
mike_c: whoa, that could actually be a first
mike_c: including the part where he lost his virginity
mircea_popescu: "What took more time, the sex or the transaction?"
mircea_popescu: gotta love sa, they know their shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.1930326 = 0.7721 BTC [+] {2}
dub: 'i don't know how I can prove I was a virgin' - posting on reddit, uh
davout: paying for sex with bitcoin is ok as long as you're not done before the transaction has confirmed
punkman: ;;tblb 3600
gribble: The expected time between blocks taking 1 hour and 0 seconds to generate is 1 week, 6 days, 21 hours, 13 minutes, and 54 seconds
dub: next, the first double spent virginity?
davout: the average human is the exact opposite of bitcoin
davout: has to wait at least 20 minutes before he can double spend
davout: i'll find my way to the door
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.02513 = 0.1759 BTC [+]
dub: heh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
dub: 20 minutes is litecoin territory, theres at least 8 hours sleep between my blocks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32190 @ 0.00086016 = 27.6886 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02513 = 0.2513 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.0245 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 49 @ 0.0038 = 0.1862 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0213799 = 0.1069 BTC [+]
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mike_c: css isn't as good as bitbet
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davout: no fee = big red flag
punkman: davout, "It's too early to monetize, but when we do, it will probably be through ads or affiliate programs."
mike_c: uh
mike_c: oh, they mean they will be the affiliate for other people
davout: o so because affiliates
mike_c: in other words, ads.
davout: next
punkman: yeah because when you got a working gambling operation, you want to send people to other places
mike_c: maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 119 @ 0.00189152 = 0.2251 BTC [+] {4}
punkman: why is it that bitbet only does binary propositions?
punkman: tried the logs for previous discussion but couldn't locate
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00007202 = 0.144 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: so this bitbook guy is generating propositions automatically, and for some reason prefers to make N binary pools
punkman: seems retarded
mike_c: i wouldn't kill too many brain cells trying to figure it out.
punkman: how the fuck do you do parimutuel spread bets?
mike_c: same way.. just should be close to 50/50
mircea_popescu: <punkman> https://bitbook.ie/ is this new? << prolly npot.
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mircea_popescu: <mike_c> maybe they would do well as a bitbet affiliate << worth a shot.
punkman: mircea_popescu: so what's the mindfuck with multi bets? I feel more mindfucked by trying to find N related bets
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to give me moar context.
punkman: see mike_c link above
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20813118 = 0.8325 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: also a hypothetical, if you have a multibet and nobody bets on the winner, would the house take it?
mircea_popescu: seems you're illustrating it neh ?
mircea_popescu: calculating the odds becomes more complicated. also, "nobody" bets on a winner is impossible, bitbet seeds all bets.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, a parimutuel situatiuon where nobody bets on a possible outcome is not economically probable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.072 = 0.36 BTC [+]
punkman: yeah I suppose it'd make sense to throw tiny amounts at all unlikely winners
mircea_popescu: n owinner is unlikely. i mean, is a bet that nets you 10kx your bet unlikely at 9900:1 odds ?
mircea_popescu: +ev is +ev.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : in principle multibets should be reducible to multiples of single pair bets.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.02511 = 0.1507 BTC [-]
punkman: considering a 10-way or 30-way bet, that is sure more work for bitbet mods to seed correctly. So I guess we won't see multibets until there's just too many single bets covering the same events
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.02540226 = 0.381 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1914 @ 0.00006496 = 0.1243 BTC [+] {10}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: for skeptics: usa is the country where they burned trainloads of grain during 'great depression' - to keep prices high << actiually the entire "steal thje gold" 1930 thing was specifically and declaredly destined to "increase grai nprices"
mircea_popescu: even if through inflation.
mircea_popescu: punkman, why do you think it's harder to seed "correctly" ?
mircea_popescu: there's no corectness involved, bitbet doesn't make any effort whatsoever to split the seed correctly.
punkman: what you just flip a coin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086112 = 12.1418 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: but besides that, wouldn't it be more work to approve 30 single bets than 1 30-way bet?
mircea_popescu: i don't do it personally, and the mods just get to have fun. i hold no particular audit of their success. i guess some try to beat the game or w/e, i personally don't care, and that's where the incentive structure starts.
mircea_popescu: as long as management is concerned, seed bets just have to add up to .1
mircea_popescu: which is why they're seed bets. the idea is that the players will even it all out.
mircea_popescu: so far this idea has played out spectacularly well.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.0254999 = 1.683 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20811233 = 0.8324 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1436 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47242 @ 0.0008587 = 40.5667 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: dub: he's outside refueling the side curtain flamethrowers on his BMW << dub is such a bland kowtow character
mircea_popescu: i think when we finally enact the new world order we make him chairman of the fed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.20823162 = 0.8329 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 19 @ 0.20919621 = 3.9747 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.21315383 = 2.771 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.219 = 2.628 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.0738483 = 0.8862 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.219 BTC [+]
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This time though /. did that thing where they traded actual links for abc new
mircea_popescu: ya well.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26844 @ 0.00086133 = 23.1215 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: (hanbot was "WTF WHERE DO THEY GET OFF")
mircea_popescu: so i guess htey made at least one friend with the process.
benkay: wait am i reading the logs correctly? voorhees is only in trouble over the off-mpex 'ipo'?
asciilifeform: two things about this story puzzle me (confession: i never gave enough of a damn to keep track in real time...) - why nothing about satoshidice? only sued for a small part of the spam op profit and: why vorhees ponied up
asciilifeform: third, why did vorhees, having profited handsomely from sd, have to take to spam?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> in general the fewer customers you have the better your product can be // incidentally, this is why i love consulting. customers are typically n=1 where n trusts me and my boys to deliver - which we do. in spades.
BingoBoingo: benkay: That is correct
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That spam thing well preceeded S.DICE
mircea_popescu: benkay, yea
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, he had enough sense to listen to me when i told him how to do the buy back.
mircea_popescu: in general that ensures survival at a minimum.
benkay: huh well this makes me happy
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benkay: perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered
asciilifeform: afaik everybody expected gasenwagen for vorhees, at least
asciilifeform: for 'illegals casino'
mircea_popescu: and as to why he ponied up, probably bcause it's a laughably small sum, it gives the sec something it already had (i doubt any us citizen can sanely argue that th eauthority of the us govt and its agencies doesn't extend to him)
BingoBoingo: Well, he basically avoided the gasenwagen by buying them a BMW
asciilifeform: peculiarly cheap ransom
mircea_popescu: and closes his past (at the dubious cost of his next five years)
benkay: next five years how?
mircea_popescu: but i doubt he had much of a future as an issuer anyway, at least on the short term
mircea_popescu: benkay, well because if he does an ipo now he'd be roughly in the situaiton of karpeles
mircea_popescu: ie, "but you've signed here that you won't do this thing you're doing"
asciilifeform in the gasenwagen will offer to buy inquisitor a trabant
mircea_popescu: <benkay> perhaps the usg isn't as inimical to btc biz as i'd previously gathered << where'd you gather that ? reddit ?
mircea_popescu: the problem isn't the us being inimical to btc. the problem is btc being inimical to the us.
mircea_popescu: this is like that case of a three year old that';s so far smarter and better than you that your only hope as a father is to slave and serve it on your knees
mircea_popescu: my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really.
mircea_popescu: it's just a hard thing to grasp this, that the thing can't even walk and yet it's a dragon, which you aren't, will never be etc.
benkay: there are worse dragons to slave for.
benkay: <mircea_popescu> my father didn't have the wisdom to see that, and it nearly cost him his life. the us isn;t in a much better position really. // i'd love to hear this story sometime.
mircea_popescu: lol maybe the guy writes it sometime.
mircea_popescu: course these days people tend to make the converse mistake in their personal life
mircea_popescu: most kids aren't worth the hassle people put into them by a long shot.
benkay: "but if we just put the effort in, the kid will be!"
benkay: i'll be lucky if one of mine is qualified to and interested in taking on any position in my shop.
benkay: and i'll be not displeased with my work if they accept that they'll need to start at the bottom to boot.
mircea_popescu: curious if you'll manage to get that past the missus, at any rate.
benkay: lady v, re starting as js-sweepers: "i'm sure."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18692 @ 0.00085878 = 16.0523 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28250 @ 0.00086166 = 24.3419 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7563 @ 0.0008587 = 6.4943 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: not now. later.
mircea_popescu: Subject: Bitcoin Match Fixing and the NBA Playoffs
mircea_popescu: From: "Bitcoin Betting Guide" <info@bitcoin-betting-guide.com>
mircea_popescu: such needed much helpful.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 644.61, Best ask: 645.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.38000, Last trade: 644.61, 24 hour volume: 13320.94152466, 24 hour low: 621.86, 24 hour high: 654.9, 24 hour vwap: 641.286188847
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.02791009 = 0.2791 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738482 = 0.2215 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 91 @ 0.00197 = 0.1793 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 97 @ 0.23595586 = 22.8877 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.249 = 0.747 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2973 @ 0.00085847 = 2.5522 BTC [-] {2}
atcbot: 2k@219 100k@205 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 59 @ 0.0019989 = 0.1179 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02052032 = 0.1026 BTC [+] {5}
mike_c: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00
mike_c: party's over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0738483 = 0.2215 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.00200172 = 0.2702 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1447 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.0020669 = 0.1467 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00208784 = 0.2088 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 51 @ 0.0021 = 0.1071 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 149 @ 0.0021 = 0.3129 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11864 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2242 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 5 @ 0.02999984 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: BitBet - The Chicago Blackhawks will win the 2014 Stanley Cup :: 0.06 B (33%) on Yes, 0.12 B (67%) on No | closing in 2 days 20 hours | weight: 1`965 (100`000 to 1)
TomServo: That should probably be resolved.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Vexual What were you wondering about it?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11846 @ 0.00086178 = 10.2086 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up vex
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: Man Planning To Rub Up Against Strangers Wondering Where Train Is Already | The Onion - America's Finest News Source
atcbot: 100k@205 75k@202 10k@200 | 24k@141 34k@140 250k@140
BingoBoingo: ;;google two chainz rap
gribble: 2 Chainz - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2_Chainz>; 2 Chainz | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/artists/2-chainz>; 2 Chainz – Birthday Song Lyrics | Rap Genius: <http://rapgenius.com/2-chainz-birthday-song-lyrics>
assbot: 2 Chainz - I'm Different (Explicit) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0254999 = 0.204 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00086178 = 8.1869 BTC [+]
Vexual: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 715369.85 in 2016 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: 0.00
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