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decimation: I find the python3 vs python2 "war" amusing
decimation: several years ago the python "devs" decided to break the language "because it makes it better"
decimation: 5 years later no one has jumped
asciilifeform: decimation: the mere thinkability of this kind of thing, re: a given system, is a sure test for braindamage
decimation: reminds me of the quote from Lawrence of Arabia about hubris: Prince Feisal: There's nothing further here for a warrior. We drive bargains. Old men's work. Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men. Courage and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace. And the vices of peace are the vices of old men. Mistrust and caution. It must be so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [-]
decimation: What amazes me is the charmed path that Linux itself has taken
decimation: Linus would be nobility in another century
asciilifeform: linux sorta takes us almost to the point we were in 1972.
asciilifeform: except when you stop and think about the fact that virtually every 'linux box' is also running a number of embedded turds
asciilifeform: (disk, i/o, display controllers, etc)
decimation: everyone's too busy to worry about that ascii
asciilifeform: and then you envy the folks with the 'pdp'
asciilifeform: it isn't even, as people like to think, a 'security' itch
asciilifeform: it's about the fundamental impossibility of fully understanding wtf is actually taking place inside the box
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves phyrnius
decimation: Well, part of the reason is that it has become absurdly expensive to fab a chip
decimation: and the "business model" of "we own the IP" is all any company in the US has left
mircea_popescu: decimation> 5 years later no one has jumped << wait, the core devs of python, nobody gave a shit about them ?!
asciilifeform: i actually see a future for machines built of discrete (yes, 74xxx & friends) logic.
asciilifeform: perhaps the only future.
asciilifeform: 'but they say i'm mad'
decimation: yeah mircea, I think you can find a parallel in bitcoin :)
asciilifeform: perhaps after 'mad max', when a computer is no longer a cheap widget - but a _place_ - like the old church organs - people will give a fuck whether they work correctly
decimation: if Guido Van Rossum can be ignored by everyone, how much easier would it be to ignore the bitcoin devs?
asciilifeform: and whether the machine can be understood
mircea_popescu: decimation i'm just glad im not the only one aware of the damned thing.
asciilifeform: (because if it cannot be understood, it cannot be maintained)
decimation: there is wisdom in this
asciilifeform: imagine if 'la serenissima', old venice, had... a computer. what part of what we put up with, would they tolerate.
mircea_popescu: decimation btw, wasn't von rossum working with rice now ?
ThickAsThieves: mp it shows servers by country first
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they were actually sort-of trying to get the mechanical calculator going
mircea_popescu: more like a watchmaking angle tho
decimation: donno. la wik says he's polishing the dropbox turd: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_Rossum
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves pvp intl
mircea_popescu: decimation that'd be it then.
mircea_popescu: ;;google rice dropbox
gribble: Protests Continue Against Dropbox After Appointment of ... - Bits: <http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/04/18/protests-continue-against-dropbox-after-appointing-condoleezza-rice-to-board/>; Dropbox Service: <https://dropbox.rice.edu/>; Dropbox users are angry that NSA-loving Condoleezza Rice has ...: <http://www.newstatesman.com/future-proof/2014/04/dropbox-users-are-angry-nsa- (1 more message)
decimation: I thought they dropped her after the "controversy"
decimation: as if it were controversial that some gov't bigwig were cashing out in industry
mircea_popescu: anyway, tis all for me. later.
princessnell: the dropbox ceo stood his ground i think
decimation: apparently you are only allowed to be on the board of a business if you are sufficiently socialist
princessnell: it was a university that disinvited her to speak
decimation: ah well that explains things then
princessnell: why must they drag down yet another strong woman of color?
decimation: because bush I guess
mircea_popescu: princessnell ah come on, woman is dumb as rocks.
decimation: it's not racist to mock justice thomas after all
princessnell: lol that was sarcasm
mircea_popescu: ;;google "nobody could have foreseen"
gribble: New 9/11 Documents Expose the "Nobody Could Have Predicted ...: <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/06/20/1101687/-New-9-11-Documents-Expose-the-Nobody-Could-Have-Predicted-President>; Cheney Defends The "Nobody Could've Predicted" President ...: <http://crooksandliars.com/jon-perr/cheney-defends-nobody-couldve-predicted-p>; Nobody Could Have Predicted...: (1 more message)
decimation: I wonder if a computer made of discrete chips would be more fault-tolerant against cosmic rays, etc
decimation: I suspect that they still make them on big-old dies
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.48285257 = 0.9657 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00088561 = 14.8782 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: why can't I "!down" myself in a private query with assbot?
decimation: !down decimation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21050 @ 0.00088804 = 18.6932 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00088804 = 2.3089 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00088241 = 8.6917 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00088541 = 26.2081 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 74 @ 0.00430871 = 0.3188 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00088235 = 20.9558 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16472 @ 0.00088559 = 14.5874 BTC [+]
artifexd: ;;later tell mod6 It looks like pitythepool has the current network hashrate in their json stats. I don't know the source or how it is calculated, but it may be easier for you to grab it from there than calculate it. Less accurate, but easier.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53435 @ 0.00088346 = 47.2077 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15407 @ 0.000881 = 13.5736 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: "Ken what is your 3 month plan for this company? How are you going to make us money with a static data centre and single figure miner sales?"
fluffypony: "Tell me what the bitcoin price will be in 3 months and I will tell you."
fluffypony: dat forward thinking
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [-]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30163 @ 0.00088927 = 26.8231 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00088932 = 14.407 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: *** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has kicked decimation off channel #bitcoin-assets: Bye. // happy now?
benkay: jurov are you off for the weekend again?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46388437 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22112 @ 0.00088957 = 19.6702 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10838 @ 0.00088973 = 9.6429 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11313 @ 0.00088433 = 10.0044 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1529 @ 0.00088433 = 1.3521 BTC [-]
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21488 @ 0.00088916 = 19.1063 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: benkay no, what happens?
jurov: a ic
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 30 @ 0.041 = 1.23 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07434992 = 0.7435 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00088524 = 14.1196 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8381 @ 0.0008849 = 7.4163 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 10 @ 0.041 = 0.41 BTC [-]
davout: bitcoinbourse -> "we are sure our system is very professional programmed"
davout: "It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure."
bounce: the fat frenchman went to japan because of the engrish, maybe?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 6 @ 0.041 = 0.246 BTC [-]
davout: bounce: if you're referring to karpy i believe he fattened there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15770 @ 0.00088586 = 13.97 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 4 @ 0.041 = 0.164 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14412 @ 0.00088754 = 12.7912 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.0008849 = 11.8577 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29004 @ 0.00088377 = 25.6329 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07145281 = 3.5726 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.041 = 0.902 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://i.imgur.com/RXH4FOQ.jpg
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ;;later tell benkay not sure if this relevant at all to what you guys are encountering wrt the 4096 bit entropy problem - https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/602f88552b64
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
bounce: ew medium.com.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.041 = 0.82 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07256913 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21700 @ 0.00088379 = 19.1782 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 3 @ 0.041 = 0.123 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00088253 = 15.8414 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "We’re so delighted to be able to offer a complimentary annual individual membership to the foundation for all registered attendees."
ThickAsThieves: Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all
fluffypony: Uh oh
fluffypony: Better fix your blog footer
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23155 @ 0.00088444 = 20.4792 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: but but i think might need to opt-in first
ThickAsThieves: however they are having their annual meeting in Amsterdam too
ThickAsThieves: so might be a great way for me to ask questions
ThickAsThieves: their lawyer never responded to my email asking about their nonprofit status
ThickAsThieves: or relevant donation info
chetty: ThickAsThieves, maybe publish them as open questions?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 44 @ 0.07103751 = 3.1257 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00088298 = 21.633 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 19 @ 0.041 = 0.779 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03107021 = 0.1554 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03103521 = 0.3104 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0310001 = 0.279 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0335572 = 0.1678 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03350001 = 0.1675 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: so then publish open questions that you won't ask
fluffypony: and corner them with the actual questions
fluffypony: lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03107021 = 0.3107 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0043057 = 0.1981 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i like how they hint at being a nonprofit through the wording in their letters and bylaws
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03104216 = 0.1552 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03350001 = 0.1675 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: but arent actually filed as one
ThickAsThieves: it could be pending i guess
ThickAsThieves: but it's a bit unethical to paint yourself as an np
ThickAsThieves: and solicit donations without noting their ability to be tax deductible
fluffypony: speaking of gray-area ethics
fluffypony: I had someone accuse OpenRigs of being unethical
fluffypony: because we ship from South Africa
fluffypony: but we have a .com and the default currency is USD
fluffypony: which apparently implies you are in the US of A
ThickAsThieves: this would only be an issue if you do not quote shipping costs before purchase
ThickAsThieves: or est ship time
fluffypony: which we do, they have to choose a shipping option during checkout (or when viewing their cart)
fluffypony: and the shipping options have shipping timelines on each option
ThickAsThieves: well cry me a river
fluffypony: my thoughts exactly
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00088362 = 9.1896 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: "Ken what is your 3 month plan" << i wonder if that counts as mid term or long term.
mircea_popescu: maybe you should ask them.
mircea_popescu: youknowimright.jpg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0043054 = 0.4305 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "It can classified us a Market player with higher audience as the others, and we understand that some jealous people do not see this with many pleasure." <<< o you log, that has such marvels & many pleasure in it!
ThickAsThieves: !up skinnkavaj
assbot: Voicing skinnkavaj for 30 minutes.
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Why did you leave ASICMINER?
ThickAsThieves: technically ditching the AM-PTs is what i did
ThickAsThieves: leaving the board was automatic once i no longer represented 5000 shares
skinnkavaj: But why? Didn't they make a you some money with 5% management fee?
ThickAsThieves: go add up those fees over the lifetime
ozbot: The analysis of a failure : Asicminer pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: he just wasted half a year of his life to make sure.
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Do you no longer believe in a great future for Asicminer?
skinnkavaj: I love to buy stocks when everyone is selling them
ThickAsThieves: i do not believe in AM
ThickAsThieves: and consider it vastly overvalued
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: Apparently I am a member of the BTCFundnation after all <<< ahahaha epic
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj do you have your portofolio published somewhere ? so we can all lol ?
mircea_popescu: what's this "buy stocks when everyone is selling them" strat netted you so far ?
ThickAsThieves: blood in the steets is blood on your hands
ThickAsThieves: streets*
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: so they can prepare bullshit nonanswers? << once you sent the q's privately, they can already do that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 18 @ 0.0065379 = 0.1177 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: those were other Q's
ThickAsThieves: but yeah
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: lead in with the published ones and then veer off investigatory journalizt style << yeah, but then they'll be "offended" and not answer anyway
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Read your link, ok so they made some mistakes with exchanges.. But I couldn't care less about that, what matters is that friedcat seems to be a really good asic engineer
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit that perhaps you did not actually read the link.
ThickAsThieves: here's how i see it
ThickAsThieves: (this is no investment advice)
ThickAsThieves: FC and the crew made millions on millions last year
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that afaik friedcat was in no sense an engineer, just a pr for a team, and also afaik she said so mul;tiple times.
ThickAsThieves: then had to deal with pissant forum investors
ThickAsThieves: which got old
ThickAsThieves: so they probably began segmenting their business out of that situation
ThickAsThieves: which menifested in things like
ThickAsThieves: Rockminer
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it could be pending i guess << wait, pending for two years ? heh.
ThickAsThieves: no communciation
ThickAsThieves: pending for 1 year is normal i'm told
mircea_popescu: ahahaha MENIfested.rosenFELT
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves but we're approaching three.
mircea_popescu: that is not normal.
ThickAsThieves: no it isnt
ThickAsThieves: they probably werent granted shit
ThickAsThieves: and now wanna pretend
mircea_popescu: moving your virtual office from us to uk to avoid the impending doom is also not NORMAL
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: According to latest questions it seems that they are on track on delivering 102 petahash to the network in 3 months
ThickAsThieves: on track by what measure?
ThickAsThieves: words and dreams?
skinnkavaj: I don't see why they couldn't make better chips than before
mircea_popescu: ahgahaha. o you don't see do you ?
ThickAsThieves: ho can you not learn by now
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 300047 | Current Difficulty: 8.0008721359681635E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 300383 | Next Difficulty In: 336 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 22 hours, 20 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8840307102.91 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.49179
mircea_popescu: hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ?
mircea_popescu: im thinking of opening a vlog and i think that'd be a great first episode.
skinnkavaj: mircea_popescu: Please just be quite
mircea_popescu: !down skinnkavaj
mircea_popescu: works for me.
fluffypony: be quite what?
mircea_popescu: i think it's british english.
ThickAsThieves: skinnkavaj if you want voice again you'll need to register with gribble, wot, assbot and get a rep
mircea_popescu: !up skinnkavaj
assbot: Voicing skinnkavaj for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: do you get the idea or do you need a 2nd dunking ?
skinnkavaj: I want to hear what ThickAsThieves has to say
skinnkavaj: Why do you not think the could manage to produce a 3gen chip
skinnkavaj: They clearly have the competence
mircea_popescu: yes well, the point being that we sometimes get what we want, and sometimes don't get what we want.
mircea_popescu: and you're mostly in the 2nd class.
skinnkavaj: Its just a matter of time
ThickAsThieves: it's not that i dont think they "might" make gen3 or whatever
mircea_popescu: fluffypony you didn't just draw that up
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I did
ThickAsThieves: it's that i dont see how owning stock would be worth it even if they did
mircea_popescu: do you even job fluffypony ?
ozbot: gentleman | Meme Generator
fluffypony: it's a saturday
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be successfull?
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Why couldn't it be worth it?
skinnkavaj: If they once again produce the best chips on the market
skinnkavaj: It will be worth it
ThickAsThieves: isnt this batch already barely on par with the market?
skinnkavaj: If they successfully manage to keep their promises now
ThickAsThieves: do you realize how long it's been since AM actually released something new?
skinnkavaj: Delivering 102 petahash over the next 3 months
mircea_popescu: more's the point, if they doi produce the best batch on the market again, why would they want to split the proceeds with you ?
skinnkavaj: I think they have a good chance of 20% of the network
mircea_popescu: what could you possibly offer them that'd make them care.
ThickAsThieves: they wont split proceeds
ThickAsThieves: thats why Rockminer exists
ThickAsThieves: and why Gen2 probly existed
mircea_popescu: so is this a purely academic discussion then ?
fluffypony: so they operate ASICMINER as a zero-sum game
ThickAsThieves: all the board cares about is their own franchises, which are all going into the red right about now
fluffypony: barely profitable, if at all
fluffypony: and Rockminer makes the money
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: "all the board cares about is their own franchises" Like what franchises?
ThickAsThieves: so you are crossing your fingers that some mystery men in china give a fuck about shareholders
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: They did before?
ThickAsThieves: they measured how much fuck they should give with the Rockminer IPO
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnRTjF8CYAAxpnM.jpg asciilifeform check out that truck! best looking truck i've seen.
skinnkavaj: Why would you assume friedcat is dishonest now?
skinnkavaj: Suddenly
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Do you think Rockminer is a better investment if so?
ThickAsThieves: well dishonesty is a different demon in china
ThickAsThieves: you measure it differently
ThickAsThieves: and whats so sudden
ThickAsThieves: AM hasnt made new shit for like a year
mircea_popescu: i am coming to this theory that there are two types of people in the world : the ones whose brain is a train engine, and the ones whose brain is a combustion engine. the former can be readily ideintified by the fact that their mental processes move on tracks, no matter the engine's horsepower.
mircea_popescu: the latter can probably be identified by how they keep crashing into poles.
ThickAsThieves: their farm maxed at like 25TH or some shit
skinnkavaj: They told that Rockminer would have to buy chips from Asicminer at the same price as everyone else
skinnkavaj: So far I fail to see why Asicminer suddenly has become corrupt/dishonest
mircea_popescu: so there's still hope for my vlog then
ThickAsThieves: skinnkavaj
ThickAsThieves: pretend Rockminer IS Asicminer
ThickAsThieves: and ask how Asicminer might profit
mircea_popescu: "Leading toilet maker Toto refers to itself as the Apple of toilet tech." mwahaha
skinnkavaj: They sell chips?
ThickAsThieves: pretend you arent pretending
skinnkavaj: They could have split up
skinnkavaj: Asicminer produces only chips
skinnkavaj: Rockminer produces something else
skinnkavaj: Is my understanding
skinnkavaj: I may be wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 14 @ 0.041 = 0.574 BTC [-]
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: So in that case, do you think Rockminer is a better investment than Asicminer? yes/no?
ThickAsThieves: fucking hell man
gribble: The answer is a resounding no.
skinnkavaj: Yes/no?
skinnkavaj: I dont follow you..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20850 @ 0.00088311 = 18.4128 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: skinnkavaj: read what gribble said
fluffypony: "[14:43:24] +gribble: The answer is a resounding no."
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony he doesn't see why gribble should have said that.
mircea_popescu: he further does not see why what gribble says should be controlling.
skinnkavaj: I have ignored Gribble
ThickAsThieves: [08:21] <skinnkavaj> I hate to use Gribble
skinnkavaj: But ok
skinnkavaj: So both are shit
skinnkavaj: ASicminer and rockminer
mircea_popescu: he has this "i do not see" device from socialist training in what passes for education these days, and he knows he's supposed to apply it selectively,
skinnkavaj: In your opinion
mircea_popescu: which is why i don't get my fuck-obama-daughters-vlog.
fluffypony: skinnkavaj: gribble's magic 8ball says both are shit
fluffypony: skinnkavaj: you can also use this for investment advice: http://www.ask8ball.net
mircea_popescu: ;;rated gribble
gribble: You have not yet rated user gribble
mircea_popescu: ;;rate gribble 1 possibly the best fake-BTC-stock analyst out there.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user gribble has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess the one true gain from this discussion is a lesson as to how downing people may be bad for debate and the marketplace of ideas.
skinnkavaj: Yes trolling and downing people is really boring
mircea_popescu: in small enough qty, filth is actually helpful for the healthy body
fluffypony: lol ThickAsThieves
skinnkavaj: Would really like to have more dicussions
skinnkavaj: About the companies
skinnkavaj: Thats why I am in this channel
fluffypony: skinnkavaj: discussion is fine
fluffypony: asking someone for their opinion on a specific issue is fine
fluffypony: but yes/no investment advice is nonsensical
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what's the 8ball say about when will the last noob try badgering you about nonsense ?
mircea_popescu: skinnkavaj no, because you eschew the actual discussion in favour of ridoinkulous formalisms.
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: Do you have more information from ASicminer board meetings or are you not allowed of copy pasting that?
ThickAsThieves: skinnkavaj, if you just lurk here for a few mos, you'll be miles ahead of the forum
ThickAsThieves: you dont even need to talk
mircea_popescu: "Gabbie Brown @Gabbiebrown · 5h Wishing that everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my life." << check it out, i'm following the only unique snowflake of brilliant potence on twitter. nyah.
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ThickAsThieves: there's nothing much worth sharing from the board meetings
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: who needs chance and careful planning when you can just wish that everything would fall into place
skinnkavaj: ThickAsThieves: I think mircea_popescu is just spamming here with trolls and insults to everyone trying to have a good discussion. Please stop.. I really liked this channel before
mircea_popescu: !down skinnkavaj
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
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ThickAsThieves: this channel was so much better before you got here mp
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the problem is fucking deeper than that. see, the brain is not made to work, it's made to adapt.
mircea_popescu: these are very different, even if cyberneticists keep wanting to represent the brain as a computor.
mircea_popescu: these days most of the brains input for the lower classes is fiction, ie, entertainment.
mircea_popescu: in fiction, there's a scenario and a director, and they conspire to alter reality a certain way.
mircea_popescu: this "happiness horizon" when "everything would just fall into place in every aspect of my lyf" is a very old very common fiction trope
mircea_popescu: it happens to heroines mostly, once they take the cock, usually.
mircea_popescu: so... the lower class brain is now... adapted to this counterfactual reality.
mircea_popescu: 50%+1 of the population would do fine in "life", if only life was... the story of rapunzel.
mircea_popescu: ~ done spamming with trolls ~
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ikr
mircea_popescu: not you ?!
ThickAsThieves: the ruthlessness of idits
ThickAsThieves: let's allegedly lynch people!
mircea_popescu: ruthlessly idiotic. that's a new one.
fluffypony: wow fun
mircea_popescu: anyone know this pete earle fellow ?
mircea_popescu: !up s1gea
assbot: Voicing s1gea for 30 minutes.
s1gea: Thank you.
mircea_popescu: yw. who might you be ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, were you looking for this graph https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnPU927CQAENJQ5.png ?
ThickAsThieves: somewhat interesting
ThickAsThieves: but this is better:
ThickAsThieves: the total value of the global video game industry is projected to be $78.5 billion for 2012.
ThickAsThieves: In 2012, the global movie production and distribution industry is projected to generate revenue of $126.8 billion
mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot CheckDavid
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=CheckDavid | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=CheckDavid | Rated since: Fri Apr 11 12:52:24 2014
mircea_popescu: !up Shazam
assbot: Voicing Shazam for 30 minutes.
ThickAsThieves: however, gaming industry in US is actually declining
ThickAsThieves: down like 10% I think it said
CheckDavid: So apple generates more revenue than books?
CheckDavid: That's mindboggling
ThickAsThieves: “Grand Theft Auto V not only hit $1 billion in sales faster than the fastest-grossing videogame, it beat the three biggest film launches of all time by 16 days.”
ThickAsThieves: Rift won't let me join EU servers
cazalla: checkout archeage, it's looking good
ThickAsThieves: i was watching the videos
ThickAsThieves: it's sorta like Civilizations as an mmporg?
cazalla: never played civ so can't say
ThickAsThieves: like Sims as an mmporg?
cazalla: never played that either
cazalla: it's pitched as a sandboxy type mmo
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid apple is more convenient.
cazalla: it's not as carebear as most mmos have become
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ew what ? phyneous is intl not eu ?
CheckDavid: mircea_popescu: than books? People buy books with apples,
mircea_popescu: those obviously don't count as books.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves and srsly push fdor it cause the guild is huge and i could defo need some help with organising shit
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CheckDavid: Ebooks are not books?
mircea_popescu: while the philosophy involved may be arguable, i'm pretty sure that sales of books via ipads and whatnot are counted as ipad revenue, not "books" revenue
mircea_popescu: from a concerned reader : "say you been to bitcoincharts lately? i'm concerned about a certificate warning that pops up, disappears, pops up again, no matter what is clicked, and which stops if javascript is disabled."
mircea_popescu: anyone got anything ?
fluffypony: checking
fluffypony: normal bitcoincharts (http) works
fluffypony: obv. no warnings
fluffypony: and https redirects to http
fluffypony: oh I lie, https works
fluffypony: linked js is on https
fluffypony: linked CSS is on https
fluffypony: so I'd hazard that the issue is localised to them
mircea_popescu: ah ok ty
mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently you're awesome!
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kakobrekla: >what the f*ck, there is no cog share on HL now ,where is my share??
mircea_popescu: you had a share ?
mircea_popescu: well, if you liked your share you can keep your share.
kakobrekla: even better:
kakobrekla: >Ukyo can you explain why you havent payed any dividend at all after the closure of Bitfunder ? Are you using the coins to turn them into more, like turning 1 btc into 1.1 btc every month or something ?
kakobrekla: >>That would be great. I hope Ukyo disclose more info in the portal. I remember that Ukyo mentioned there's a new business would be kickstarted this month?
pigeons: lol
kakobrekla: i guess ukyo cant comment, he is out of tcp packets.
kakobrekla: !up Diablo-D3
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Diablo-D3: is ukyo really around anymore?
Diablo-D3: I thought he perm-ragequit after I told him to fuck off
kakobrekla: ;;seen ukyo
gribble: ukyo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 weeks, 1 day, 13 hours, 14 minutes, and 56 seconds ago: <Ukyo> mgio_: ping
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla see, they know they really shouldn't have that coin. so they hope that whoever took it from them is giving it a nice home
Diablo-D3 is glad he quit the bitcoin fake company ipo drama storm shit
mircea_popescu: Diablo-D3 i thought clinton perm-ragequit after you told him to fuck off.
mircea_popescu: this is a different guy.
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Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: maybe Im thinking of someone else
Diablo-D3: which one is the japanese princess moron?
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kakobrekla: Diablo-D3 usagi?
Diablo-D3: right, him
Diablo-D3: whos ukyo again?
mircea_popescu: yeah diff guy.
kakobrekla: buttfucker founder
Diablo-D3: I feel like I told him to fuck off too
Diablo-D3: but cant remember if I did
Diablo-D3 should keep a list
mircea_popescu: that very special moment when you decrypt an email, see -----BEGIN PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
mircea_popescu: then -----END PGP PUBLIC KEY BLOCK-----
mircea_popescu: then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK-----
mircea_popescu: then you're O.O
pigeons: oops
Diablo-D3: mircea_popescu: NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN
Diablo-D3: how does that even happen
asciilifeform: loll!!!!
asciilifeform: someone must've played a joke.
mircea_popescu: i guess someone was being thorough ?
random_cat: i would like to declare that Ukyo owes me 100 USD (as a lower bound)
mircea_popescu: so recorded.
bounce: Ob"Why Johnny Can't Encrypt"
fluffypony: I would like to declare that I am leaving to go drink and shall return inebriated at a later time. Or tomorrow if not.
mircea_popescu: pix or it didn't hoppen.
fluffypony: I'll be sure to take pikshas
mircea_popescu: piksha da shiksa
bounce: every time I look at sun hardware it strikes me that oracle hates their customers. so. much.
mircea_popescu: this is actually a pretty great name for a jewish hip hop band
bounce: o_O?
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random_cat: once upon a time, sun was great
mircea_popescu: meh too short
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
random_cat: webuser@bitcoin-assets.com:~$
peterl: jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? is it added up monthly or shown every time a commission is earned?
mircea_popescu: peterl your balance proibably just increases unsexpectedly
davout: mircea_popescu: "then -----BEGIN PGP PRIVATE KEY BLOCK-----" <<< pastie or it didn't happen
ozbot: RpghRO7FPqGx6uQ0sr/MDz6plEY/QPl+eXPnIhDCCyiUOcoZlhZMb2te93Y9o0e9 bctaTOxz5/azX5 - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: hopefully the x's anonymize enough.
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davout: lol, at least we know it's a macfag who doesn't brew :D
kakobrekla: >v2.0.22 (Darwin)
kakobrekla: this explains it
kakobrekla: ;;google darwins award
gribble: Darwin Awards. Homo sapiens decline; Neo Sapiens rise! February ...: <http://www.darwinawards.com/>; Darwin Awards: Darwin Awards: <http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/>; Darwin Awards - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_Awards>
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mircea_popescu: is scrypt the new cog like neobeeq was the new hiv
mircea_popescu: or him or what was it ?
kakobrekla: >We, are a Team from six countries ( Germany, Portugal, Russia, Turkey, Switzerland, and Great Britain ) and focused to meet your standard of requirements as experienced and serious Bitcoin-Insiders, and would highly appreciate your feedback, proposal and critics to our site and services for an ensured continuous improvement process!
ozbot: zyado.com - bitcoin exchange
mircea_popescu: this is trollage right ?
peterl: sadly no
mircea_popescu: sounds just like the earlier prosthetic limbs ipos
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mircea_popescu: !up Anon29486307
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benkay: hurr, thanks fluffypony
benkay: <mircea_popescu> skinnkavaj on the strength of that answer i humbly submit // well that's a first
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mircea_popescu: benkay notice that the overall effect was exactly the same.
mircea_popescu: the lower class CLAIMS my arrogance is the problem. but this is merely what they imagine would make a convincing scapegoat.
mircea_popescu: kinda why poor people are so universally despised : they say that which they figure may best serve.
mircea_popescu: whatever it may be, irrespective. words are but words.
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Apocalyptic: Kelticfox> interesting... the person trying to buy Gox (and just added to the Foundation) is a convicted child molester
Apocalyptic: <Kelticfox> The Foundation really doesnt give a fuck about BTC does it?
Apocalyptic: guys begin to realize what is the foundation about
mircea_popescu: sure it gives a fuck about btc. just, not yours.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.034 = 0.102 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 56 @ 0.0335 = 1.876 BTC [-] {2}
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pigeons: Apocalyptic: doesn't appear he was convicted
mircea_popescu: pigeons is it more like a character assasination job ?
pigeons: he may be guilty, i don't know, does seem fishy, but it doesn't appear he was convicted
Apocalyptic: then Kelticfox is wrong
pigeons: yeah thats what i was trying to correct
pigeons: apparently there was some sort of recording that got an indictment, and "too many little boys for everything to be right", but not enough evidence to move forward after that
kakobrekla: so small amount of little boys is ok?
pigeons: seems so
kakobrekla: cool, nefario is safe
Apocalyptic: re that accusation
Apocalyptic: <Cusipzzz> sounds like roger ver, fits right in
pigeons: no insinuation, but i hear bruce wagner may run
Apocalyptic: is Ver notorious for doing that nao ?
pigeons: don't think so
pigeons: just explosives in the mail
Apocalyptic: firecrackers
pigeons: whats this about gox to reopen in pattaya with new ownership?
kakobrekla: pattaya?
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mircea_popescu: "There is a convergence between WeHo pedos; some might recall the 1998 web series Chad's World which was essentially a bunch of 30-something pedos creating a project to lure boys to Hollywood with promises of becoming stars in exchange for "work" they would do while living with various members of this group of 30-something pedos. "
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?
mircea_popescu: Digital Entertainment Network happens to be the bankrupt venture of the brock pierce guy who is the purported owner that was going to buy the techno music brand some kid was pitching earlier in chan
mircea_popescu: what was his name
davout: Drew something
mircea_popescu: "Subsequently, civil lawsuits from boys employed by DEN alleged sexual abuse and coercion using drugs and guns by Collins-Rector, co-founder Chad Shackley, and DEN Executive VP Brock Pierce."
mircea_popescu: "DEN alumni created other Internet sites including suicide girls"
mircea_popescu: suicide girls was run pretty much like a scientology work camp afaik
ozbot: Gold-farming empire linked to dot-com child abuse scandal - Boing Boing
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic lol i gotta love phins' footwork. ask him to come over will you ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0314999 = 0.315 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so basically collins-rector has a harem too, except of [ex]little boys, among which brock pierce, whom he keeps pushing into bitcoin nonsense.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 25 @ 0.041 = 1.025 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.00088252 = 13.1054 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 164.11326127 BTC; +0.10451369 BTC (+0.0637%) since last check 1d 8h 20m 51s ago.
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kakobrekla: slovenian bitcoin atm
ozbot: Bitcoin ATM - YouTube
kakobrekla: >Actually we are a partner company of BTC-O-MATIC and we handle orders, marketing and integrations for adriatic region.
Apocalyptic: kako, doesn't even require fingerprint scanning
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pankkake: "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera."
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Apocalyptic: nvm then
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fluffypony: pankkake
ozbot: BitcoinBourse: the biggest scam in Bitcoin securities today
fluffypony: so it looks like BitcoinBourse think that you've been paid to troll them
fluffypony: or something
fluffypony: his circuitous reasoning is very confusing
pankkake: and yet I've only commented on a few of his offerings, only to provide a link to a scam accusation or something
fluffypony: the thread he links to is hilarious
fluffypony: where they try dox you
davout: pankkake: "Given the various legal requirements, the new model will be equipped with a fingerprint scanner and a security camera." <<< wonder what legal requirements they're referring to
khersonus: it's normally AML/KYC stuff that causes problems for bitcoin<->cash machines
jurov: <peterl> jurov: how do coinbr refferals get paid? << it is added monthly, usually just after the monthly fee
davout: khersonus: my point is that the legal requirements are imaginary since bitcoin is nowhere legally defined as money
jurov: and shown in the btc account history
davout: in other words a bitcoin ATM is by no means different than any other vending machine
fluffypony: davout
davout: s/by no means/in no way/
fluffypony: if it pays out in fiat the legal definition of Bitcoin is irrelevant, no?
fluffypony: the compliance is wrt the fiat being padi
fluffypony: *paid
davout: fluffypony: nah, that's when you store fiat on behalf of third parties
fluffypony: AML would apply if you're providing a fiat dispensing machine
fluffypony: it's rife for money laundering
fluffypony: KYC not so much unless you're deposit-taking
davout: when you buy and sell X, you buy and sell X, as long as X is not defined as a financial instrument, (or a precious metal in some countries) there is no reason for KYC/AML to apply
kakobrekla: btc atm could be considered as otc trading no?
davout: the fact that "it's ripe for ML" is in no way relevant, the machine is not "dispensing cash", it could be automatically buying apples from you
fluffypony: outside of the US, sure
fluffypony: but in the nanny state there's a whole bunch of FinCEN crap around this (eg. http://www.fincen.gov/statutes_regs/guidance/html/faq060305.html)
davout: AML provisions *may* apply for some specific cases, such as scrap metal buying/selling in france for example
davout: but that's usually very clearly laid out in the law
khersonus: davout: you should setup a "Bitcoin ATM" and see what happens
fluffypony: that insist on AML being applied if you're providing a cash dispensing business, with specific exemptions for things like registered pawnbrokers
fluffypony: in the US they apply the "everything is bad, here are some exceptions" policy
kakobrekla: imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run
davout: khersonus: no i should absolutely not, because as far as I know european VAT applies on the full amount of sales unless stated otherwise
khersonus: davout: oh gosh
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I agree
fluffypony: personally I think it's just a silly way of trying to promote adoption, it's more inconvenient to use than convenient
davout: fluffypony: is bitcoin defined in the "precious Metals, Stones, or Jewels" category? i believe not
fluffypony: davout: that's why I said "eg"
fluffypony: it's an example of fincen crap
davout: fluffypony: bear in mind that i'm not really competent when it comes to regulation in the US, my field of expertise is regulation in europe
fluffypony neither
fluffypony: either way, most of the Bitcoin ATM reviews I've read have been US-centric
davout: fluffypony: the US has the advantage of not having VAT, that's why coinbase can work the way it does, and that bitcoin ATMs are actually safer to setup there than in europe
fluffypony: I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap
davout: god help them
davout: s/god/الله/
fluffypony: hah hah
davout: virgins don't know 'bout my unicode
jurov: indeed, dude who owns bitcoin atm here got some official statement that VAT does not apply,
jurov: but my tax advisor threw quite a fit upon seeing that
Apocalyptic: <fluffypony> I don't know if the Bitcoin ATMs being dropped into Dubai will have lal this AML crap // lol
kakobrekla: >I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal.
Apocalyptic: if you want to visit Dubai, you have to apply for a visa where retinal scan is in order
ozbot: mBTC Investment chance - Weekly Cashout
davout: jurov: interdasting, did the guy tell you the govt actually, and voluntarily simply said "oh ok, we'll waive the tax for you" ?
davout: (genuinely interested)
jurov: no, the statement he cited said that it is neither goods nor service, so the law does not apply
Apocalyptic: thanks
davout: jurov: wait until the tax administration realizes signing a transaction can perfectly be defined as a "service" :D
Apocalyptic: imo it is davout
jurov: yes, i think too someone somewhere will certainly hell bent to categorize it somewhere
davout: selling bitcoins, in its essence, is simply multiplying some large numbers in exchange for fiat money
davout: s/money/currency/
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benkay: !b 2
davout: wat, don't bash me bro
davout: :D
Apocalyptic: "Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný" heh
Apocalyptic: seems like they know a thing or two indeed
kakobrekla: such wow
khersonus: davout: multiplying some numbers, and broadcasting the tx to the network might be nice too
davout: for those who missed feincoin, it's worth the five minutes of your time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 280 @ 0.0043054 = 1.2055 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;translate slovak english Finančná správa rozlišuje medzi bitcoin a BItcoin. Wow! Som na tých byrokratov tak pyšný
gribble: Error: Google says: Response Status 403: Please use Translate v2. See http://code.google.com/apis/language/translate/overview.html.
fluffypony: that's the kickstarter thing?
davout: khersonus: if you really want to nitpick you should also add "and not quickly multiply more numbers and broadcast it in such a way that the first broadcast never gets confirmed" :D
kakobrekla: nanotube ;;translate broked
khersonus: davout: true :)
fluffypony: "Fein Sender is a part of our mobile app that allows one to display a barcode on your phones screen that anyone can scan using their phone’s camera."
fluffypony: such technology
davout: feincoin > altcoin
davout: YOU CAN BUY PENCILS AND MORE
kakobrekla: but can i buy helium balloons?
Apocalyptic: blasphemy davout !
fluffypony: "You can give Fein Coins for events such as raking a yard or selling a pencil or more."
fluffypony: PLZ RAKE MY YARD
fluffypony: WILL PAY IN FINE KOINZ
jurov: kakobrekla: The tax authority distinguishes between bitcoin and Bitcoin. Wow! I'm so proud of there bureaucrats
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu can we ipo pencil selling buzzyiness?
davout: kakobrekla: no, fuck you, i like S.LIMBS moar
kakobrekla: davout the only stock you are ipoing is S.LAUGHING !
fluffypony: I'm so sad my S.LIMBS thread got deleted
fluffypony: forum mods suck
jurov as all for S.BUTTCO
davout: i'm still fucking waiting for NAT.ROUTERS
jurov: or it's rather F.BUTTCO ?
kakobrekla: sounds like some 80' computer company
davout: kakobrekla: "sounds like some 80' computer company" <<< looks like we don't speak the same english
kakobrekla: prolly
davout: gotta love the "100% non illegal" thing
kakobrekla: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 10 minutes and 6 seconds
kakobrekla: aw fuck
davout: at least it doesn't return 10,000 minutes XD
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khersonus: davout: from bitcoin-central TOS "The PLATFORM allows the CUSTOMER to submit TRADE ORDERS for the purchase or sale of Bitcoins" << probably a stupid question, but how does VAT not apply to that?
davout: khersonus: it's not a stupid question
davout: we're simply not counterparty to trades
Apocalyptic: khersonus, it does apply I think
Apocalyptic: on the fees
davout: basically the way it works is that you have an account in BTC
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davout: a EUR account in your name with our financial partner
davout: you're mandating us, and pay us to simply shuffle money around these accounts
Apocalyptic: they are just providing the service, in exchange for the fee, so the VAT is levied on that
khersonus: davout: so if I sell/buy on bitcoin-central, should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat?
davout: it's your money deposited in EUR, in your name, and you give us a mandate to move it around, the mandate is the trick
davout: VAT applies on our fee, so on 0.59% charged there's a part that goes in the pocket of the motherland
khersonus: I see
davout: "should someone on one side of the trade technically pay vat?" <<< you're the first one to actually make this very good comment
davout: the answer is "technically, probably yes, but that's not bitcoin-central's problem"
jurov: yes i'm supposed to pay VAT once my company oversteps 49k EUR/365 days
khersonus: davout: interesting, thanks
kakobrekla: usually its up to end user to handle that shit with local authorities
davout: it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones
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davout: (only corporations are subject to VAT)
jurov: davout it *is* one
HeySteve: re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603590.0
Apocalyptic: jurov, I believe it's the running year btw
jurov: yes, that's why i wrote 365 days
Apocalyptic: "za poslednych 12 mesiacov"
davout: khersonus: like jurov points out, in some specific corporation setups there are thresholds for applicability
jurov: i can avoid it only by supplying an evidence that whatever landed on company account were payments for services delivered to outside EU
davout: we have the same kind of thing in france with the "auto-entrepreneur" setup, the way it works though, is that if you go over the threshold you lose the AE status and are required to create a different type of corp. which in practice results in the same thing as jurov
kakobrekla: lol foundation self owned themselfs
davout: jurov: yeah, that too
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davout: kakobrekla: link ?
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jurov: !up lolstate
assbot: Voicing lolstate for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up Visitor
assbot: Voicing Visitor for 30 minutes.
HeySteve: this brock guy is the last straw
HeySteve: they're not even trying any more
kakobrekla: they now have a dedicated "post your resignation here" thread
davout: kakobrekla: oh sorry, i missed that
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fluffypony: only 1 resignation thus far
jurov: two
fluffypony: someone has come out and said they'll go up to Platinum
HeySteve: yeah check the foundation forum
pankkake: meh, caring about the children.
fluffypony: if the pedophile resigns
khersonus: davout: so for your X.EUR future on mpex, if someone wanted EUR though b-c, should bitcoin-central be paying VAT on that? (because as far as I can tell, there's no fee, so the tax wouldn't come from the fee)
pankkake: as if this guy was the real issue. and what about that booby lee fucker?
HeySteve: at least bobby lee isn't another american
HeySteve: needs more int'l and less crims
fluffypony: pankkake: I think this is the straw that is breaking the camel's back
HeySteve: fluffypony, for me it is. if I ever write on the foundation, I'll use those lovely scam labels
davout: khersonus: BC is not directly involved in X.EUR, however, I do use it to systematically hedge all X.EUR trades, so the tax/fee link is only indirect
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2774 @ 0.00012772 = 0.3543 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast"
kakobrekla: anyway, Luke-Jr now has a buddy to talk to and exchange the various graphic materials in the foundation
kakobrekla: so theres that.
fluffypony: pankkake: we call them slip-slops...but we call traffic lights "robots" so South African English isn't much to go on
Apocalyptic: Luke is into this child porn thing ?
pankkake: kakobrekla just likes to slander
kakobrekla: fuck you you fuckin scamming noob !
Apocalyptic: dat kako
fluffypony: kakobrekla: pay him to troll, he's cheap!
pankkake: https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=19292.0 "As you know, both are champions of Litecoin"
pankkake: and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway
jurov: pankkake so you care about scamdation now?
kakobrekla: does it make a difference if you piss or shit in the sewage pankkake ?
kakobrekla: same question meh.
pankkake: I'm not sure what makes you think that
davout: pankkake: "and I'd rather have a child rapist than a litecoiner anyway" <<< lmao
kakobrekla: for wife or ?
pankkake: I don't think anyone cared for real, I only learned about who was on the board with the various scandals
jurov: we're just interested in your reasoning why
kakobrekla: jurov pankkake is just trying to be provocative by being a pussy
pankkake: exactly.
jurov: oh. anyway, both cases are still better that some fag hater
jurov: like that eichmann @ mozilla
HeySteve: heh never understood that
HeySteve: what does the guy's opinion have to do with ability to run a business?
fluffypony hah hah, someone is trying to pull a scam of some sort - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=328152
jurov: HeySteve: it boiled down to "we must show them"
davout: fluffypony: lol
HeySteve: lol fluffypony
kakobrekla: i would fell for 'thermos'
davout: fluffypony: here you go, banned, if he wasn't already
fluffypony: kakobrekla: btw railzand mentioned to me that TF has cleaned up his forum sig and now has a BitBet affiliate link in his signature
fluffypony: dat ploy for legitimacy
davout: nah, looks like he was banned already
kakobrekla: lol wtf fluffypony
fluffypony: kakobrekla: maybe he's hoping to recover enough money to pay everyone back :-P
kakobrekla: he should take advice from Ukyo
fluffypony: hah hah
davout: fluffypony: if mircea_popescu was around he'd probably tell you it could actually be his best opportunity XD
fluffypony: Nefario, Ukyo, and TradeFortress walk into a bar
fluffypony starts writing a joke
kakobrekla: 0 btc come out.
fluffypony: hah hah
davout: LOL
kakobrekla: cant afford for a drink.
kakobrekla: pick one
fluffypony: hah hah
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07212034 = 0.1442 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu:hey skinnkavaj do you see any reason i couldn't fuck michelle obama's daughters on film ? <- sorry to disappoint: http://i.imgur.com/xIguvy2.jpg
pankkake: I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters
HeySteve: haha
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mircea_popescu: fluffypony fuck
fluffypony: oh don't worry, mircea_popescu - follow up message: http://i.imgur.com/ZCb1fik.jpg
fluffypony: looks like it's all clear
mircea_popescu: does she even have daughters ?
pankkake: two, I googlimaged it. one seems quite young
fluffypony: and we wouldn't want more pedo talk in here
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that's right, this is the channel of the minority of people into bitcoin that aren't also pedos.
fluffypony: Etretat: http://i.imgur.com/MHrnQCe.jpg - looks like a scene from Planet of the Apes
mircea_popescu: uh. the mother is actually marginally fuckable. the daughters however...
mircea_popescu: i'd rather fuck an oven mit.
pankkake: is it?!
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mircea_popescu: "MPEx is a scam, and this is one of his shells. The owner of MPEx has multiple aliases that he posts boosting his own image. The first post "Peter Lambert" posted on this thread, was a copy paste they have posted on other security threads before."
mircea_popescu: o look at that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8510 @ 0.00088754 = 7.553 BTC [+]
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah we were joking about the "shells" thing the other day
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> imo i dont hink btc atm will catch on on the long run << obviously not. but let the circus of irrelevancy have their fun.
mircea_popescu: so mpex is a scam, and cryptostocks is an exchange. i wonder what melanoma is.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Melanoma is a beauty mark.
mircea_popescu: a hip new fashion or a corporate conspiracy ?
BingoBoingo: And Fournier's gangerene is a sign of verility.
davout: "verility" <<< being a true man
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla:
mircea_popescu: >I found a way to generate Bitcoins even faster then every Miner, in a legal way. the Methode i use whas checked by local Lawyer and is 100% non illegal. << in general, the mark of a trustworthy doctor or medicine is that it promises to cure 100% whatever health issue you may have, and similarly the mark of competent legal counsel is that they issue 100% non illegalcy certifications
mircea_popescu: o look it's a khersonus
jurov: FTFY: the doctor must have certificate issued by lawyer
fluffypony: also don't forget dat guarantee
jurov: and vice versa
fluffypony: "A TOTAL LOST OF COINS IS IMPOSSIBLE."
fluffypony: it's impossible because running away with them is not a loss in the truest sense of the word
davout: i would only be half-surprised if the actual business plan turns out to be an investment in feincoin
mircea_popescu: hello guys. i was told i can find someone on this internet that can rake my yard
mircea_popescu: in exchange for a pencil.
davout: "if you were michelle obama i'd be marginally interested in raking your yard with my pencil"
mircea_popescu: jurov: or it's rather F.BUTTCO ? < i would suspect it'd be X.BUTTCO
mircea_popescu: davout lol good one
khersonus: oh hey mp
mircea_popescu: davout: it's a non issue for non-corporate customers, but it might technically be one for corporate ones << im not so sure about that. afaik, most jurisdictions require the provider to collect vat for the customer.
mircea_popescu: which is why when you buy a pencil in a shop, the vat shows up on your bill. even if you should have paid it, the shop is not legally allowed to just sell you the pencil
mircea_popescu: they have to also act the tax man, and collect and pay ~for you~ the vat ~you owe~ for the government's convenience.
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davout: you mean, the second part of the statement, you're not sure about, right?
mircea_popescu: HeySteve: re: bitcoin foundation again, members are resigning: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603590.0 << lmao you know the BF's desperate for attention when they're actually begging for people disgusted by them to actually leave comments on their otherwise dead forum
mircea_popescu: "please guys, spit on us, urinate, anything anything as long as we're involved in any way!"
mircea_popescu: davout i mean as a corporation selling to natural persons, you may or may not end up in hot water with whatever local tax authority if you don't give them a vat.
mircea_popescu: because, logically, they will wish to be paid, and will lean on whatever is available.
davout: mircea_popescu: didn't really think about it this way, if the corp. selling coins on BC gets audited they'd be the one getting in trouble, i hear your point though
mircea_popescu: especially seeing how france works with regards to tax and its budget,
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't count on them not doing something such as changing the tax code mid exercise and then insisting you comply.
davout: mircea_popescu: but one thing to keep in mind is that contrary to all the other exchanges, we never actually touch the fiat being moved aroud, me merely trigger a transfer between accounts that do not belong to us legally
mircea_popescu: such stuff has been seen in romania, poland, the czech republic and if memory serves the uk
davout: mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK
mircea_popescu: so a bit of a dubious terrain, is all i'm saying.
mircea_popescu: this, of course, in stark contrast with the 100% non illegal certs better people are getting.
davout: our defense here is simply "we never touch the money", we're simply mandated to trigger the move between accounts :D
mircea_popescu: yes yes i get that, there isn't a third reich because you live in the poznan forest, rather than on the warta field
davout: at least, if that ever happens and we get fined into nothingness, the customer funds are safe because they don't sit on our corp. accts
davout: phew
Apocalyptic: <davout> mircea_popescu: retroactive tax law changes are something that has happened in france as well AFAIK // oh yeah it did
Apocalyptic: like the PEA taxation recently
mircea_popescu: davout im not even sure how it works there, but if memory serves you can't even bankruptcy if you've been fined
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so are you concerned that by going to amsterdam you may end up on teh interpol pedo watch list ?
davout: mircea_popescu: never heard about that, the taxman is a privileged creditor for sure, but how would that work?
Apocalyptic: heh mircea
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mircea_popescu: davout well, you file for chapter 11 or w/e equivalent, the da intervenes and objects
mircea_popescu: civil suit (ie, the bankruptcy) is suspended during penal proceedings
davout: ya, guess you mean it becomes personal liability at that point
mircea_popescu: there's no strict limit on how long they may take, so it can be 25 years.
mircea_popescu: davout no, he doesn't have to actually prosecute it.
davout: but, penal against whom ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: suppose there's company x. it owes 110 euros and has assets of 100 euros. right ?
davout: penal as in surprise penis in butt
davout: right
mircea_popescu: at this point general manager or w/e party the executive power is vested in is legally required to file for bankruptcy or supervised reorganisation/reconstitution/we
davout: okay
mircea_popescu: this is a civil suit. the judge receives an objection from the state's tax attorney, stating that they consider they're owed five eurocents in fines.
mircea_popescu: and - importantly - that they intend to prosecute the matter.
mircea_popescu: the judge sets the file aside.
mircea_popescu: end of story.
davout: to me it works in the following way
davout: assets 100, liability 110
davout: taxman takes whatever is owed to them, other creditors take the rest
mircea_popescu: not how this works
davout: i'm not finished
mircea_popescu: IF the taxman claims they intend to prosecute the matter.
jurov: taxman must do an audit first
mircea_popescu: but you never get that far. i know how it goes on your branch, but youy never get to tyhat branch
jurov: and ask you whatever they want... that can take time
davout: someone may object (taxman or whoever else) may object that the bankruptcy was fraudulent and that there was deliberate actions made to diminish the assets, in this case the general manager can get prosecuted personnally
davout: heard about this a few times already
mircea_popescu: the taxman;'s objection is priviledged
davout: yea, i know
mircea_popescu: it's not of the same nature as everyone else's (those are resolved part of the civil suit)
davout: people actually get barred from managing corporations
mircea_popescu: the situation you find yourself in, practically, is that the 100 euro assets are now locked up, and deteriorating, under court "supervision"
mircea_popescu: and you can't touch them. and everyone waits.
mircea_popescu: since it's a small corp, nobody cares, and it can wait forever.
mircea_popescu: that's the particular fissure of a kafkaesque nature i wish to draw your attention to.
davout: in france, there's usually a "suit" if the bankruptcy is fraudulent, a liquidation process goes in front of a judge as well tho, but it's not really a lawsuit
mircea_popescu: but that's what im saying. it doesn't have to get that far.
davout: in france, as far as i know, if a company is not solvent, there *must* be a liquidator appointed
mircea_popescu: davout sure.
davout: i may be dead wrong here, never had a company liquidated :D
mircea_popescu: no, you're right. hes appointed. he takes a hoinorary.
mircea_popescu: and waits for the da to finish its investigation.
davout: pankkake: fucking classical
mircea_popescu: till 2028 or w/e
davout: afaik the fact that a liquidator is appointed doesn't mean there's an investigation
mircea_popescu: dude you're refusing to see what im saying. again from the top.
davout: the way i understand it, is that there's two cases, either the bankruptcy is considered "normal", or "fraudulent", in the former it's liquidator, in the latter it's liquidator + investigation
mircea_popescu: company is insolvent. management has to report this. management does.
mircea_popescu: court takes note. court starts insolvency proceedings.
mircea_popescu: taxman takes note. taxman notifies court.
mircea_popescu: court sets all proceedings aside pending result of taxman investigation.
mircea_popescu: investigation takes forever.
mircea_popescu: insolvency is never resolved.
davout: aah, i guess the part i missed was that it was a taxman led investigation
mircea_popescu: so now you can sit and look at your 100 euros turning into dust in a warehouse somewhere.
davout: i'll have a look at that
jurov: well, i fail to find anything such in slovak law practice
mircea_popescu: now, if it's a big company, it can perhaps push for this to resolve.
jurov: in fact, the opposite thing happened
mircea_popescu: but considering the state of the dockets, all over the "civilised" world, a < billion corp stands zero chance to be even noticed.
davout: but from what you say, the taxman, if he has a claim against the company has an actual incentive to speed things up, assuming he's paying himself *after* his investigation, which would make sense in a somewhat sane system
jurov: taxmen delayed VAT returns fdue to "ongoing investigation"
jurov: so some companies bankrupted
mircea_popescu: davout he has a perverse incentive : he knows that you're a sucker, and would rather pay him than wait.
mircea_popescu: so he waits so you pay.
jurov: regardless of tax investigation
mircea_popescu: jurov that's vat returns stuff, an entirely different piece of related nonsense.
davout: mircea_popescu: how can i pay him if my assets are frozen during the investigation?
mircea_popescu: davout take your wife to amsterdam ?
jurov: but it was the same kind of investigation
davout: i don't see how it would make sense to drop a tax-related investigation on frozen corporate assets by having a shareholder, or general manager, paying money out of his pocket
mircea_popescu: one of the many many COUNTLESS reasons a businessman absolutely must have a well read blog at his disposal.
mircea_popescu: once that sort of shit starts, you start publishing the lolz.
mircea_popescu: davout because if w/e they calculated is owed is paid, then they have no further grounds to investigate.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: "Chinese-American, he was born in Africa; his entrepreneurial parents ran a flip-flop factory in the Ivory Coast" << for some reason that immediately sent me to http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/nigerian-scammers.jpg
davout: so what were they investigating about in the first place if it wasn't "calculate exactly how we're being owed" ???
mircea_popescu: davout right.
mircea_popescu: you are starting to understand bureaucracy, the legal system and how states work.
davout: if they weren't investigating about that, they were investigating about fraud, and you don't get out such an investigation by simply throwing money at them
mircea_popescu: davout it's simpler than that : they don't have to be specific before they finish the investigation
pankkake: French fisc agents are allowed to offer "deals" btw
mircea_popescu: this is a game-theoretic asset : they won't say. maybe they are. maybe they aren't. what do you want ?
davout: so you just pay them some random amount ?
mircea_popescu: no, you pay them what they ask you. then they make the paperwork read that's what you were supposed to pay.
davout: i *never* heard about such a thing
mircea_popescu: yes, but you never spent a million on consel in any fiscal year either.
davout: true, have you ?
mircea_popescu: yes, actually.
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I'd rather fuck the Bush daughters << but those were sluts
pankkake: what's wrong with sluts?
mircea_popescu: i don't have to get skinnkavaj to ask his magical "i can't see why not" device to bed those
mircea_popescu: principle of magical economy : only use the really powerful delusionist spells when really needed.
davout: mircea_popescu: are you implying that a million needs to be spent in legal counsel to have something like that explained ?
mircea_popescu: davout the implication is that particular malfunctions of a broken system are only visible at a certain height, nothing else
mircea_popescu: i just explained it to you for free, after all.
davout: that was the implied question :-)
mircea_popescu: your objection that it doesn't fit with your experience, unsound as it may be in theory, is also easily dispatched in practice.
davout: i don't object reasoning on the basis that it doesn't fit my experience
mircea_popescu: <davout> i *never* heard about such a thing << what's that then ?
davout: not an objection, simply the expression that it didn't fit my experience :)
mircea_popescu: i am sure, if you go to the chamber of commerce or w/e people gather in paris these days and ask, you will find at least one or two people caught in something of the sort.
davout: what i'm saying is that it is not comprised in the set of the things i know about how the law works
davout: look, the french tax code has this concept of "abus de droit"
davout: from there, anything becomes possible
mircea_popescu: well yeah but we're here to expand it :D
mircea_popescu: and yes lol.
mircea_popescu: "you have a right, provided you don't use it in a way we didn't foresee or don't like"
mircea_popescu: ancient german law nonsense.
davout: for those who don't speak french, "abus de droit" means that you're "overusing" the law to your advantage, and that, in itself is unlawful
davout: my dad's an accountant, when he told me about this thing, i was like "no fucking way"
davout: he told me to shut up and eat my soup, the moral of the story is that you're better off keeping your assets in bitcoin XD
mircea_popescu: he has a point. eat your lentils!
davout: he was actually in his borscht phase
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mircea_popescu: ah i love a good bors
davout: yea, don't get too excited, he just entered his "no-fat fries" phase
pankkake: how does that even work :/
pankkake: oh, I think my dad has this horror too
mircea_popescu: olestra ?
pankkake: but the bad thing for you is the fry, not the fat
mircea_popescu: i don't get this no fat frying bs. use canola oil, it'll be fine
pankkake: belgian fries, now that's something
mircea_popescu: do they abuse preteens ?
pankkake: ahah
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davout: pankkake: +beer
davout: pankkake: +francois damiens making pictures of naked women
davout: how was that movie called again
pankkake: dikkenek?
davout: pankkake: YES
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davout: "PAS COMMENCER A JOUER AVEC MES COUILLES HEIN"
mircea_popescu: what is this ?
davout: pure awesomeness
mircea_popescu: mais qu'est ce que tu fais ici la fille
nanotube: kakobrekla: long time ago. google killed their api.
mircea_popescu: LTC-Global was a dba of btctc right ?
artifexd: I think it was the reverse, but yeah, they were run by the same guy.
mircea_popescu: a yeah, right you are, burnside was derping on ltc with this thing, then when nefario closed down abruptly for unspecified legal reasons one week after declaring he's legally 100% not illegal at the conference where he scammed clueless rms into showing up
mircea_popescu: suddenl;y turned around and made it into a btc exchange because why the fuck not, he's competent and smart and brilliant. or, in the words of today's equivalent,
mircea_popescu: "Dear Forum Members, some people here accuse us false of scam. Fact is not one person here or on BitcoinBourse.eu was scammed by us."
mircea_popescu: o lordy.
mircea_popescu: "If you not like the PHP coding we can't help you, but we are sure our system is very professional programmed."
davout: Markus Weiler, where does one even start
kakobrekla: with rails obviously.
mircea_popescu: the public rails on weiler ?
davout: kakobrekla: does not compute
davout: mircea_popescu: a dependency has failed to compute
pankkake: he hasn't stopped stalking me…
pankkake: apparently I'm every troll for him
kakobrekla: davout yes i would imagine.
davout: pankkake: whatever, you're jelly because he doesn't make blog posts about you
mircea_popescu: davout syntax error
pankkake: still with the wrong identity
pankkake: this is annoying
kakobrekla: im just fucking around while im dicking around cause i know you like to fuck with your dick
jurov: what happens here?
davout: kakobrekla: we herd you like dicks
mircea_popescu: jurov tits fucks you with his dick
davout: SO WE PUT A DICK IN YOUR BUTT, BITCH
kakobrekla: he wishes.
jurov: and who's the tit here?
davout: !up dotcoin
assbot: Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes.
davout: jackpot
dotcoin: David Francois you have a very big mouth with your scam
mircea_popescu: !up dotcoin
assbot: Voice for dotcoin extended to 30 minutes.
davout: dotcoin: hello markus
mircea_popescu: o you two know each other ?
dotcoin: do you come to monaco on april 24
dotcoin: want to meet you
kakobrekla: jurov a part of my name sounds like tits and means dick
davout: dotcoin: i don't do autographs
dotcoin: still not i jail wonders me
kakobrekla: who is raping the logs!?
dotcoin: asyour friend mark
kakobrekla: dotcoin 1st of april is over dude.
dotcoin: why you not tell the people your relation to karpeles
davout: ladies and gentlemen, dotcoin, operator of bitcoinbourse
dotcoin: you search at other people to fuck them but you are the friend of must fucking scamer in the world
dotcoin: welcome world
BingoBoingo: dotcoin: What bourse do?
mircea_popescu: dotcoin you know, everyone that's been in here for a long time knows everyone else.
kakobrekla: dotcoin what is his relation to karpeles? being french?
mircea_popescu: davout is not special in this regard
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dotcoin: yes ok i don't know anyone here
mircea_popescu: it's just that you're new, and that makes you think knowing pirate/karpeles/whoever is remarkable.
mircea_popescu: it's not, not for us.
mircea_popescu: heck, i even know imsaguy and inau
mircea_popescu: and gigavps. and a ton of other scammers.
dotcoin: i read only some times some shit people talking about me
davout: dotcoin: also, had you actually watched the video you're screenshotting, you'd have seen i'm in essence telling him he's full of shit, in 2011
mircea_popescu: dotcoin forget about yourself, you're a negligible quantity at this point.
mircea_popescu: read everything else.
jurov: mircea_popescu: he is completely unable to absorb any external advice
dotcoin: syou can advice me
mircea_popescu: jurov i don't know the guy
jurov: i'd try asciilifeform's audio heterodyning instead
dotcoin: but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys
BingoBoingo: dotcoin: Can Bourse Bitcoin for make me?
davout: ;;rate dotcoin 1 for the purpose of further lulz
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
mircea_popescu: davout srsly dood ;/
kakobrekla: <dotcoin> but don't accuse me of scam as there is no scam on bitcoin bourse guys < dont you owe btc to jurov ?
davout: dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets
kakobrekla: davout trice.
jurov: no he owes something to forensick
jurov: i'm just an "investor"
mircea_popescu: davout yes but rating is going to far, srsly.
Apocalyptic grabs some popcorn
mircea_popescu: "I've disagreed with pankkake before (on the subject of altcoins) and he's called me an idiot and I've told him he's wrong. " << look at that!
dotcoin: not own forensicks bitcoins are you drunk man
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc
Apocalyptic: <davout> dotcoin: at least i have to give you credit for coming all the way to -assets // he's done it before
jurov: that was denied any financial reports whatsoever
Apocalyptic: must be a regular reader of teh logs
jurov: yes he is, he sent me nastymails within minutes of me mentioning him last previously
jurov: then i published it on my blog
Apocalyptic: he became agressive after jurov mentionned going to the AMF
kakobrekla: i said logs arent magic pill :\
dotcoin: yes he can go to amf i wish him good luck
Apocalyptic: <kakobrekla> Apocalyptic thatd be 0.1 btc // fuck you kako that's my corn
davout: Apocalyptic: AMF deals with financial markets, not with braindamage
jurov: lol
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kakobrekla: Apocalyptic if it would be mine it would be .5
BingoBoingo: dotcoin: Srs, does bourse Bitcoin have your for more making?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 24 @ 0.041 = 0.984 BTC [-]
dotcoin: so davout why we not talking little bit here about bitcoin central
dotcoin: and your famous french bitcoin foundation
Apocalyptic: davout, he's pretending to run one, however misconstructed damaged the thingis
mircea_popescu: dotcoin you mean about the vat again or just in general ?
davout: Apocalyptic: my daughter pretends the cushions are castle walls
dotcoin: jurov does amf also view coinbr?
benkay: dotcoin: is there a way to see what paper is trading on bourse without signing up?
dotcoin: yes of course
mircea_popescu: davout little does she know that the snow is the actual castle walls.
davout: dotcoin: maybe, tell them to ask me if they need a referral code
jurov: dotcoin, they are welcome to view it
benkay: dotcoin: where can i see that list?
dotcoin: @jurov than is good man
dotcoin: referal link from you darov
mircea_popescu: don't tell me he types the names by hand
dotcoin: yes @benkay go to site second slider shares click read more
mircea_popescu: no urls on your internet ?
kakobrekla: d and j are right next to each other
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla on special dj keyboards, yes they are.
mircea_popescu: also on macs
benkay: a carousel is now a nav bar
pankkake: darov is just the child of jurov and davout
benkay: o.O
jurov: dotcoin and what about publishing order book and volume?
mircea_popescu: pankkake that'd be juout
dotcoin: i guess pankkake is the child from them
dotcoin: login to see order book
Apocalyptic: why not make it available for everyone
mircea_popescu: dotcoin do you at least show diff order books to each login, icbit style ?
mircea_popescu: or php === not advanced yet ?
jurov: and volume is not available even on login...
Apocalyptic: the "at least" is somehow not shocking
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic it'd be entertaining lol
dotcoin: but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching
jurov: oh and did i mention that you can issue standing orders for fixed expiration of 3 days or market orders and nothing else?
kakobrekla: LAST TIME IT WAS THE DIVIDENDS
BingoBoingo: has dotcoin orderbooks that ========= something legit each inlog
Apocalyptic: mod6, is atcbot broken ?
mircea_popescu: jurov that's how they did it in viking times
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 225 Ask: 239 Last Price: 225 24h-Vol: 1k High: 239 Low: 195 VWAP: 211
atcbot: 60k@242 64k@240 25k@239 | 116k@225 4k@195 90k@156
mircea_popescu: seems he's fine
Apocalyptic: ok, thought %b was an alias for %book
mircea_popescu: i think it stands for block
mircea_popescu: if anything
Apocalyptic: some interesting bid @225
mircea_popescu: <dotcoin> but what you critic this time jurov? the order book? last time was the dividends, next time is what ? should i go to your site and start searching << this approach is fundamentally broken. even should you prove everyone else is stupid, that'll still not make you smart.
dotcoin: @mircea i want to be smart for you nor i search friends here
ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'
mircea_popescu: look at that, 1k atc volume. amusingly, it's displaying the bitcoin hoarding behaviours too!
Duffer1: how did it go with the internet police dotcoin?
mircea_popescu: dotcoin that's also fundamentally broken. if you have friends here, you'll be ok. if you do not, you will fail, even should the entire world come to try and rescue you.
mircea_popescu: as karpeles found out through bitter experience, as vessenes will, etc.
BingoBoingo: need dotcoin friends no
asciilifeform: world tried to rescue karp?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo kickass lol.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
dotcoin: do you want become my friend?
dotcoin: lol
mircea_popescu: as far as paying out of pocket to fly to fucking japan.
asciilifeform: afaik that was just the 'are you solvent?' sign guy
jurov: http://live.coinbr.com/images/bbsbook-fs8.png dotcoin, so let's talk about order book. you (and everyone) don't see anything untoward here?
mircea_popescu: jurov basically, he's hacked a time auction package, sort-of adapted it for "bitcoin stock exchange" ?
jurov: looks like that.
dotcoin: hm you needs now what jurov a order book?
dotcoin: and after
jurov: no you need one
dotcoin: so why you not create your own stock exchange i ask myself if you can do all better
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mircea_popescu: http://www.fraud.org/penny-auctions << this is what i mean, for the people following at home.
ozbot: Fraud.org - Penny auctions may 2013
dotcoin: i mean before bitcoinbourse was not good enough for you guys,
dotcoin: than we create and redesign new
dotcoin: than you always not happy with it
kakobrekla: dotcoin a scam in a nice box is still a scam
kakobrekla: not trying to imply you have a nice box, just saying.
davout: and a retard with moar css is still a retard
dotcoin: and do you have any scammed people here kakobrekla are you scammed by me?
kakobrekla: dotcoin your approaches are scammy
davout: "not trying to imply you have a nice box" <<< lmao
dotcoin: tell me are you scammed by me?
davout: dotcoin: look, nobody here is stupid enough to get scammed by you
davout: (except jurov maybe)
dotcoin: davout you have a mirror yes? look at famous foundation and bitcoin central
davout: XD
mircea_popescu: davout lmao ziiing
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dotcoin: we was never been down 4 month for been hacked
davout: dotcoin: yo, what about it ?
mircea_popescu: dotcoin why would somebody hack you ?
kakobrekla: dotcoin you are scamming us out of our time with being retarded
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes but im not gonna down him because i do not wish to be the evil tyrant
davout: kakobrekla: no, fuck that, the laugh is worth it
dotcoin: lol
kakobrekla: fine have him but i pay for logs server.
kakobrekla: running low on packets.
dotcoin: the script kiddies here even have no plan to shut down a wordpress site
jurov: kakobrekla: you can offset it by offering assbot ad slots
davout: jurov kakobrekla that'd be a complementary business model for this guy -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=603670.msg6658822
dotcoin: but ok i see there is no serious discussion here everyone accuse other of scam thats all
jurov: dotcoin because you evade the questions
davout: dotcoin: what about bitcoin-central and the french association ?
jurov: i am asking, how can you consider the order book usable?
jurov: for example you can't easily find lowest offer
mircea_popescu: <dotcoin> but ok i see there is no serious discussion here << i lolled.
dotcoin: you not can find lowest offer?
jurov: it's confusing whether it's about bid/ask side
mircea_popescu: i not can find word order in soup!
davout: dotcoin: also your buy and sell are backwards
davout: Buy: 338.00 € Sell: 301.00 €
mircea_popescu: davout don't you do it that way in france ?
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davout: !up dotcoin
assbot: Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes.
davout: mircea_popescu: whaddaya mean
mircea_popescu: jurov definitely, i tell you. he's taken a software package intended for a penny auction site and hacked it together. it's so fucking obvious. that pseudo "book" could no other way be explained.
mircea_popescu: davout backwards.
davout: in the butt?
jurov: dotcoin, also, how you set a order expiration of 100 days for yourself? why no one other can set it?
mircea_popescu: buttwards
davout: we do it backwards but it looks forward, think moonwalk
dotcoin: order expirations of 100 days are for merchants only, if you want list shares you can do and your orders will be run as long you want
jurov: "shares merchant"?
dotcoin: yes
jurov: that kind fits
jurov: :D
dotcoin: there are no bitcoin orders longer than 3 days
mircea_popescu: why not ?
mircea_popescu: what if im going on vacation ? what if i just met a highschooler with nice tits ?
mircea_popescu: either usually takes me > 3 days
davout: mircea_popescu: because he uses an evaluation copy mebbe
dotcoin: i guess it makes no sense, when bitcoin price jumps up and down
mircea_popescu: why not 2 days then.
dotcoin: you sell bitcoins and go vacation?
kakobrekla: i think 10 min is more appropriate.
dotcoin: you can cancel your order when you need
mircea_popescu: am i fucking confused ? is this bourse thing a bitcoin exchange or a bitcoin stock exchange ?
jurov: no. it's bitcoin stock merchant
davout: mircea_popescu: stock exchange + P2P bitcoin exchange, amirite dotcoin?
mircea_popescu: so then wtf has the price of bitcoin to do with anything
dotcoin: it was started as bitcoin exchange, now we focus to going full to bitcoin stock exchange, as we not want competition with the big ones like bc
mircea_popescu: bc became big at some point ?!
davout: haha, i knew it was coming
dotcoin: in what point
bounce: relative, I'm sure
mircea_popescu: pankkake seriously, you feel like articulating wtf you hate about altcoins quite so viscerally ?
davout: dotcoin: don't you also have a P2P exchange, sort of like localbitcoins?
dotcoin: maybe but this is not my problem i am not jealous of other people
mircea_popescu: im sure nobody'll be like, "o, we no like pankkake anymoar now", even if they think your idea is dumb
jurov: davout yes it's everything on bitcoinbourse, both btceur and stocks
pankkake: yes, I started a blog article. and it should start with "I don't hate altcoins, "hate" is a word used by faggots, I just think they are a fraud"
davout: pankkake: wai u hate faggots?
dotcoin: yes read @davout, told here we have p2p like localbitcoins but now we focus on stock exchange, so the french market is free for you enjoy we don't need that
kakobrekla: i think the just hates hate
pankkake: davout: yeah they make noises with their bikes
jurov: oh and bitcoincard is there too, never dared to try that
mircea_popescu: pankkake kay, i'll read it. ping here when done
dotcoin: bitcoincard yes
dotcoin: you can try
pankkake: there is actually a lot of things I want to write in, so it will take a while, but I want to write it instead of arguing endlessly / being MAD
dotcoin: you can order from anywhere in europe
mircea_popescu: smart choice.
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davout: pankkake: arguing endlessly without getting mad is a skill in itself
bounce: well, not if you're mad starting out
kakobrekla: getting mad without an argument also.
davout: bounce: if you're already mad, arguing doesn't really sound like a good idea anyway
davout: kakobrekla: yo, just fuck shit up from time to time, randomly
bounce: tell it to the people in the madhouse
pankkake: davout: yes, I usually don't get mad when I don't respect my adversary
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0059118 = 0.2956 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.46366666 = 1.391 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: I mean don't have any respect for
davout: pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00591 = 0.591 BTC [-]
davout: i guess what you mean is that you take it more seriously then, amirite?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00591 = 0.2955 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07258809 = 1.4518 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: well, I don't accept that people that are not dumb have dumb (i.e. not mine) opinions
bounce: you don't go for anything less but ideological world domination, do you?
davout: bounce: it just makes him mad to have a cognitive dissonnance
jurov: your opinions are never dumb?
jurov: pankkake ^
pankkake: well, when I realize they're dumb I change them
davout: "i see this guy as smart, but i see his opinion as dumb, AAAARRGH dissonnance"
davout: pankkake: try with dotcoin :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 21 @ 0.00580523 = 0.1219 BTC [-] {4}
bounce: such gandhi
pankkake: I don't want to argue with him, I don't know what's his deal
bounce: so ask him *gdr*
pankkake: basically I just linked to what others said
mircea_popescu: <davout> pankkake: wait, you're saying you're more inclined to become mad whenever you have respect for the person you argue with ? << this is how it works yes
davout: which makes sense
mircea_popescu: otherwise you'd spend your time angry at the pet rocks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78460 @ 0.00087855 = 68.931 BTC [-] {6}
davout: mircea_popescu: i was actually thinking about the alternative of not getting mad, in either case
davout: but i can perfectly understand that if you perceive the person you are arguing with as intelligent, it makes the arguing exercise different
pankkake: well. if you argue in public with someone dumb, your objective should be completely different
pankkake: you're not necessarily trying to convince him
davout: the sanest attitude in such a case is double: make other readers hear your point, have some fun
pankkake: yeah
davout: if some fucktards end up calling you a troll you can count it as a success
davout: to get back to the dotcoin case, it's slightly weird, because he doesn't display the usual bitcointalk scammer attributes
mircea_popescu: i always cunt it as a success
davout: lel
mircea_popescu: davout maybe his mastery of the english language doesn't permit him to ?
davout: mircea_popescu: no i was thinking more about the fact that he's not anonymous
mircea_popescu: intentionally ?
davout: no, i sense no intention of hiding his identity
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, neither is dr foreskin anonymous
mircea_popescu: he's just well known to be a fucktard irl too, so what's he got to lose.
davout: yep, this guy
dotcoin: i not have need to hide anything
davout: https://bitcoinbourse.eu/about <<< has the real name on it
ozbot: BitcoinBourse.eu - decentralised market place to buy and sell Bitcoin person to person Welcome to th
mircea_popescu: Director of the Chair
mircea_popescu: Chair of Hydrology
mircea_popescu: Albert-Ludwigs-University of Freiburg
mircea_popescu: dude no fucking way somebody that looks too young to have a phd even can be what i assume is a head of a department
davout: mircea_popescu: otoh, hydrology...
mircea_popescu: anyone emailed that address ?
davout: "yep, i have correctly identified this glass as containing water"
davout: what address ?
mircea_popescu: because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old.
mircea_popescu: not exactly a random diploma mill
mircea_popescu: moar like germany's nobel prize mill
mircea_popescu: (heidegger's uni)
dotcoin: you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu
davout: midnightmagic: aaah, i thought you were still on dr foreskin
kakobrekla: could be name collision
mircea_popescu: plus hayek, husserl if memory serves etc
davout: dotcoin: "you want email me? contact@bitcoinbourse.eu" <<< that's the wrongest answer you could've come up with
dotcoin: tell me why
kakobrekla: davout well, he could give out an @yahoo one.
mircea_popescu: dotcoin we're not interested in emailing you as the bitcoin bourse fuckwit. we're interested in emailing you as markus whatever, to verify davout's theory that you're not behaving like the average forum scammer.
bounce: we tell lies/ sweet little lies/
davout: dotcoin: because you are being asked if you are in fact head of hydrology at the freiburg university
davout: mircea_popescu: where did you find this address anyway? the name sounds like a common german one
davout: probably a homonym
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4848579 BTC [+]
davout: anyway, my point was that he has actual corporate details on his bourse about page
davout: mircea_popescu: no, that's not him
davout: not the same weiler
mircea_popescu: davout so then for all you know this is NOT an actual name.
dotcoin: there exist many weiler same as many Francois i guess
davout: mircea_popescu: i know for a fact that the name is real
mircea_popescu: davout a you do ? how ?
davout: and that it matches the details posted
pankkake: the company is registered
davout: mircea_popescu: intel
mircea_popescu: a ok then.
davout: pankkake: better intel
pankkake: amd?
davout: badum_tss.wav
davout: !up dotcoin
assbot: Voicing dotcoin for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: round #3
kakobrekla: *ding*ding*
davout: LOL
mircea_popescu: ima go explore a vagina. don't make a mess of popcorn around here meanwhile!
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> because otherwise freiburg uni is like 600 years old. // you're sure about this ?
davout: mircea_popescu: you make it sound like it's a large one XD
jurov: so dotcoin, you insist the orderbook is completely fine despite everyone else saying it is not?
pankkake: must be your mom's then
jurov: okay. so why you can't publish trades? that's completely normal thing all exchanges do
bounce: established 1457, so 557 years
davout: pankkake: leave my mom's orderbook alone
dotcoin: not saying that, but is momently status of order book
davout: dotcoin: well then, say "thank you for pointing that out, i'll be working on it"
dotcoin: you are shareholder jurov you have right to send us your feedback
jurov: dotcoin, in fact i don't want to be anymore. but have no other option
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic ya
mircea_popescu: omg ppls stop dinging me i think it's important ;/
jurov: hm, prolly i'll move all shares to pankkake and watch whatever ensues
pankkake: please no
jurov: pankkake: what's your bbs account?
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davout: !b 3
jurov: so dotcoin, when approximately can we expect public trades feed?
pankkake: I've been quite happy to sell off all my havecocks at a loss
pankkake: no need for more things
dotcoin: @jurov we will see how we do
jurov: you pull the code off crystal ball or what?
pankkake: perhaps you should write a bourse broker (sounds painful, I wouldn't want my bourses broken)
dotcoin: but what exactly you want see, you see already how many shares from company xyz was listed and how much was left on sale!
jurov: dotcoin you ever use any stock exchange? every one of them publishes what trades were done
BigBitz: DEMTRADES.
dotcoin: there is all there, if 10k shares was on listing and tomorrow are only 5000 means that 500 are sold, there is no order book need
davout: dotcoin: making the information public is also not optional
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dotcoin: yes i use and i know but i not must copy them as system works like this
BigBitz: publically listed companies with no publically listed ledgers for buys/sells? :o
davout: dotcoin: how would you know there were 10k shares yesterday without an order book ?
dotcoin: but guys you talking about things like cryptostocks do
dotcoin: the merchant have to know where the shares are gone
dotcoin: not the public
jurov: like NYSE. NASDAQ and everyone else!
dotcoin: you want see where are the shareholders? do you see on your bank the shareholder names of a company?
BigBitz: Yeah if NASDAQ can run their engine for longer than 2mins :P
jurov: dotcoin "public has no right to any information" is a scammer attitude
davout: dotcoin: how can the public have an idea of what the state of the market is without an order book ?
dotcoin: do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30867 @ 0.00087727 = 27.0787 BTC [-] {2}
BigBitz: dotcoin: Yes.
BigBitz: OF course.
dotcoin: public have right of course
Apocalyptic: <dotcoin> do you see on Nyse or nasdaq the name of the shareholder? // no
dotcoin: but privacy exists also
Apocalyptic: but you see the trades for every single trading day
davout: dotcoin: you seem to be confused about what an order book is
dotcoin: we can't show shareholders
BigBitz: You don't need to show people...
dotcoin: we can show how many shares are sold yes
BigBitz: You need to show trades :)
dotcoin: but this is already there
Apocalyptic: how many / when / at what price
davout: dotcoin: you need to show offers to buy and sell, publicly, not who is posting these orders
Apocalyptic: in a nice table
davout: dotcoin: https://bitcoin-central.net/page/stats/orders <<< this is an order book
dotcoin: there are offers to buy and sell, of course, the only one not is there are not showing sold shares thats correct
davout: dotcoin: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.MPOE <<< on the rigth side of this page is also an order book
dotcoin: yes guys think like taht is under development
BigBitz: "under development"
BigBitz: how do you close books/trades/orders if you don't know who buys/sells what?
BigBitz: You surely have the data at hand.
BigBitz: You're just not presenting it.
BigBitz: That shouldn't take a mammoth development task.
bounce: "Bitcoin Central is loading..."
dotcoin: many other things in todo list, so i not give them so much priority yet as i don't know this classifieds me as scammer
davout: bounce: javascript?
dotcoin: this not needs a month
BigBitz: You don't think not publishing trade information on a trading platform is a positive?
davout: dotcoin: this does classifies you as completely unqualified to run a stock exchange, that's all
dotcoin: thats not correct as i tell you already there is all to see
bounce: it's on. likely some js lib ruthlessly breaking backward compatability.
pankkake: bitcoin-central.net actually requires requests to google to work
pankkake: so much for not using cloudflare!
Apocalyptic: that's bothersome
dotcoin: @davout and you are qualified to run a bitcoin exchange?
bounce: just so you know, this is not twittar.
davout: pankkake: you serious about the google thing? shame on me
dotcoin: hosting on 1&1
pankkake: I think so, unless it's only for the font
dotcoin: using cloudfare
dotcoin: bravo
pankkake: I have a RequestPolicy authorization at least
BigBitz: What do you want him to do? use SFTI? :)
Apocalyptic: <dotcoin> hosting on 1&1 // they are on online afaik
Apocalyptic: and no cloudfare
davout: pankkake: it's only for the font, nothing remotely comparable to cloudflare
Duffer1: !up twizt_
assbot: Voicing twizt_ for 30 minutes.
twizt_: dotcoin: you dont have to reveal customer information
twizt_: you can just show the last market trade, by symbol, price quantity
davout: dotcoin: as a matter of fact i am, i am also certainly not using cloudflare or hosting with 1&1
dotcoin: @twizt yes and we don't do
pankkake: I see a request to recaptcha too, weird
dotcoin: @davout or ovh
twizt_: y not
twizt_: cuz for all anyone knows ur hiding true volume
twizt_: which is hella illegal
davout: dotcoin: get a clue before spouting nonsense
twizt_: if you are a 'public venue'
davout: dotcoin: also get an order book
twizt_: how are u p2p decentralized with all 'customer doesnt need to know' attitude
twizt_: dafuq
davout: pankkake: because pre-load
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54780 @ 0.00087656 = 48.018 BTC [-] {2}
dotcoin: we hidde nothing thats is do anyone from you go inside the bourse and take a view and read all? than you see there is nothing hidden there is all transparent
BigBitz: dotcoin what is your reason for not providing volume information/trade information?
twizt_: to hide volume lol
BigBitz: ( other than the obvious )
davout: pankkake: if you want to not make the requests you can use teh API :D
dotcoin: we provide them so why you talking that when it's not true
davout: dotcoin: URLs?
dotcoin: example company 1 list 100k shares
dotcoin: than you see how much shares are on sold left
twizt_: what about after
twizt_: what about secondary trading information
twizt_: after primary quantities are sold off
dotcoin: if you see only 80k tomorrow on sale means 20k are sold you need a calculator for that
BigBitz: Christ...
davout: dotcoin: seriously, shut up and get cracking
BigBitz: !down dotcoin
davout: !down dotcoin
twizt_: so after all ipo shares sold, the secondary trading goes dark? lol
davout: LOL
BigBitz: ;;gpg info dotcoin
gribble: No such user registered.
twizt_: poorly designed exchange
BigBitz: and people wonder why Bitcoin gets a bad name.
davout: poor guy is probably still talking in the chan
BigBitz: Probably...
Duffer1: lmao
BigBitz: U GUYS DONT NO NETHING
BigBitz: this is best way 2 run things
BigBitz: buy 100k sell 80k means 20k left
BigBitz: dumb dumbs
BigBitz: ETC.
davout: dotcoin: we can not see what you type, go do your homework and come back when it's ready, if ever
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3341 @ 0.00087636 = 2.9279 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03120572 = 0.156 BTC [-] {3}
BigBitz: davout perhaps he is making iceberg/dark pools his important developmental opportunity.
BigBitz: trading volume isn't important, right?
davout: i'd be very interested in an explanation about why it is that bitcoin attracts two radically opposite demographics
davout: smart people
davout: and the terminally retarded
BigBitz: Sadly I don't think I am either of those.
davout: there doesn't seem to be a lot of the average
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03115904 = 0.1558 BTC [-]
BigBitz: wooooo!
pankkake: bitcoin has this image of free money
pankkake: you can make them with your computar
davout: which it is
davout: but somehow i feel like a lot of people come to it with the wrong idea o "fair money"
davout: "fair" in the sense of "democratic" or "equal"
pankkake: well, they realize it doesn't grow on trees and are upset
davout: there's this too
jurov: actually many smart people are repelled first.. especially these that expect thing working properly according to rules
jurov: *things
davout: i think that's more the retarded that act as a repellent to the smart
pankkake: yeah, I stayed away from bitcoin because it seemed full of teenagers
pankkake: that had no idea what they were doing
pankkake: I guess I shouldn't have
davout: radium, discovered by highschoolers indeed
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.17, Best ask: 457.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.73000, Last trade: 457.0, 24 hour volume: 4100.46574537, 24 hour low: 449.79, 24 hour high: 459.24, 24 hour vwap: 453.886482405
pankkake: the success stories, i.e. bitcoin prices, or asicminer in the past, made people want to throw money at it
benkay: ;;calc 0.004 * 456
gribble: 1.824
davout: bounce: the info in there is accurate
bounce: says you, why?
benkay: not bad pricing on these
davout: bounce: because i know
bounce: you suck at the coughing man in a raincoat act
BigBitz: BitVPS best VPS, benkay!
davout: bounce: that's because i'm more like the cop that's looking up his cop DB
jurov: BigBitz: they pay you for it?
pankkake: benkay: so who are they? many *fiat* vps do not live for long. I've experienced one disappearing for example
bounce: so you did whois and got the same info
BigBitz: jurov nobody pays me anything.
pankkake: it was real cheap, though :D
benkay: BigBitz: rly?
davout: bounce: look, if I did that i would say "i did a whois", it just so happens that i have more information, and of much better quality than you do, what's so complicated about that ?
pankkake: http://lowendbox.com/ is a pretty good source of info on vps hosts
jurov: BigBitz: did bitvps regain any referral? i don't see any
BigBitz: davout you're a cop? :o
bounce: says you. to me that's all claims and refusals to back'em up
davout: BigBitz: hehe in some ways i'd say
pankkake: well, usually you just check they have been in business for a while and not high schoolers
davout: bounce: i seriously don't give the slightest shit about you believing me or not
BigBitz: That escalated quickly.
pankkake: I see they were active in 2012 at least
jurov: pankkake: talking about bitvps?
pankkake: no, bitronic
benkay: davout: wish i were there
davout: benkay: i'll send you the CD :D
benkay: such a gentleman
jurov: I worked with ordering materials and grading terrain for masonry/construction.
jurov: :)
BigBitz: Ah.
BigBitz: You're not a cop.
BigBitz: You're the bitcoin-central guy.
jurov: he can still be undercover
BigBitz: I would be surprised.
BigBitz: You know how the French are.
jurov: hmm..i do not?
BigBitz: nor do I but it seemed like something to say :/
BigBitz: work shy, etc.
bounce: who's french now?
davout: BigBitz: yes, that would be me :)
BigBitz: davout, I guess.
bounce: <insert obligatory joke here>
jurov: <insert raunchy clarification>
BigBitz: <escalate with intent>
BigBitz: <witty retort>
davout: <express scorn for other non-french people>
[\]: mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer?
BigBitz: I doubt that.
jurov: don't zing him, he's fucking
davout: kakobrekla: [\\\] is fucking with the log :D
kakobrekla: not this time!
davout: "[\]: mircea_popescu, I'm a scammer?"
davout: kakobrekla: the backslashes, what have you done
jurov: orly? \r \n \t
BigBitz: \\\\\\\\\
davout: brb, XSS'ing teh log
jurov: orly? \\r \\\\n \t
kakobrekla: doo et!
pankkake: </html>
\\\\\\: yo
bounce: add moar \\u2603
[\\\\\\\]: I got you
BigBitz: Nooooooo.
BigBitz: too many slashes.
[\\\\\\\]: you're right
BigBitz: uhohs.
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