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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51813216 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15991 @ 0.00098054 = 15.6798 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9709 @ 0.00098054 = 9.5201 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03436705 = 0.1375 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04300001 = 0.215 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0344965 = 0.1035 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03449503 = 0.1035 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03449471 = 0.1725 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.04300001 = 0.989 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 90 @ 0.0013 = 0.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 44 @ 0.04300001 = 1.892 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0344942 = 0.207 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449955 = 0.138 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349875 = 0.1305 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03449862 = 0.138 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03475 = 0.2085 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349876 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04349886 = 0.1305 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23797 @ 0.00098163 = 23.3598 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00097883 = 4.992 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: a worthy read. many lulz at the expense of the sec.
ozbot: My First SEC Trial Transcript Has Some Real Comedy and a Message to Mary Jo White – SEC vs Schvach
cazalla: TestingUnoDosTre: you can always /msg nickserv info namehere
TestingUnoDosTre: gracias - found out I have to become more creative
ozbot: 8.001 billion | Next Diff in 1971 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.6710% in 11d 9h 41m 48s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.49222333 = 4.43 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49000001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0400001 = 0.36 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14450 @ 0.0009777 = 14.1278 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 670 @ 0.00090614 = 0.6071 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: flight to amsterdam is booked!
cazalla: http://www.rba.gov.au/foi/disclosure-log/pdf/131419.pdf old document but released today, brief mention of MPEx page 9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16822 @ 0.00098212 = 16.5212 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00098212 = 18.6603 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8700 @ 0.00098212 = 8.5444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06768448 = 0.1354 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00098008 = 1.8622 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00098224 = 23.1318 BTC [+] {2}
Naphex: morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5875 @ 0.00098229 = 5.771 BTC [+]
Naphex: morning
fluffypony: Naphex: morning
Naphex: morning, fluff`, did you check out my working example for addresses? complete with dnssec, and server pubkey?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00463934 = 0.1624 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I saw it in the log but got busy
fluffypony: I'll track back and look at it this morning when I get a mo :)
HeySteve: morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00098236 = 8.8412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00098008 = 4.9494 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;later tell dexX7 thanks for giving me morning readings :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00098266 = 9.6792 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00097887 = 16.2492 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.50885144 = 2.5443 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19675 @ 0.00098296 = 19.3397 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.07094347 = 2.483 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: decimation: mirceau_popescu: the treatment of individuals << dude you srsly typed that out ?!
mircea_popescu: decimation: a parent who so acts today would probably be reported to the FBI << i had a chemistry lab. complete with strong acids and everything, i had like a pint of vitriol oil.
mircea_popescu: holy shit there's 1mn pdf to html/etc converters online, NONE of them will take an url as input
mircea_popescu: why is the web made by imbeciles! srsly, how hard is to think this one through guys!
mircea_popescu: cazalla mind quoting the brief mention ?
cazalla: mircea_popescu: 32 As an aside, there are options contracts for delivery of bitcoins and bitcoin - denomina ted commodity futures being sold at the MPEx Exchange . Recent news reports suggest that the Commodity and Futures Tr ading Commission in the US is evaluating its role in derivatives contracts that are denominated in bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: "My understanding of insider trading law is that in order for it to be insider trading, there must be some violation of trust. In other words, if someone walked up to you and said “Im the CEO of this public company and I’m about to make the biggest cash sale in the history of the company and we will blow away all wall street numbers and you should buy the stock”. That is without question material, non-public info
mircea_popescu: rmation. But if you trade on the information, is it insider trading ? The answer as best I understand the law is NO. It is not insider trading. Why ? Because the CEO did not ask you to keep the information confidential. Nor did he ask you not to trade on the information. You have no responsibility to him. You can trade and tell the world about his deal if you would like."
mircea_popescu: the cuban quote is quite inaccurate, if very self serving
mircea_popescu: cazalla ah ty.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ghostscript can do pdf to html via via, here's a python3 snippet for it: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/36700759050/converting-pdf-to-html
mircea_popescu: ty but im not running it.
mircea_popescu: someone should make a website that works just like google translate,
mircea_popescu: except it takes in pdf and spits out actual text.
fluffypony: if you want I'll setup a little service to do it for you, we're running ghostscript on the one server for PDF invoices
mircea_popescu: call it the deadobinator.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony set it for the world, it's a good utility.
mircea_popescu: "you don't need to interact with pdfs anymore, just prefix all pdf download links with http://fluffypony.com/fuckadobe/"
fluffypony: lemme play with this little python snippet and see what I can do
mircea_popescu: no rush.
punkman: mircea_popescu: there's scribd, but it kinda sucks http://www.scribd.com/vacuum?url=
mircea_popescu: yeah not rly an improvement
punkman: I'll try their API, had it on some todo list a while ago
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26978 @ 0.00098323 = 26.5256 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: meanwhile, namecheap answers: "Unfortunately, technical department informed us that you should use only static IPs wih API. Once the IP is changed automatically the API will fail."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20405 @ 0.00098188 = 20.0353 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07079999 = 0.6372 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25550 @ 0.00097997 = 25.0382 BTC [-] {4}
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25875 @ 0.00098479 = 25.4814 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 290 @ 0.0013 = 0.377 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00097778 = 11.1956 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 8 @ 0.14 = 1.12 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11137 @ 0.00098012 = 10.9156 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00098255 = 14.4435 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26654 @ 0.00097495 = 25.9863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0711 = 0.3555 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform thought you'd enjoy your views on Lisp being confirmed by the South African netsec community: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=WAEfFWvp
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, you know Stalker ?
Apocalyptic: I mean THE Stalker ?
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: no clue if that's his nick here, I'd assume so
Apocalyptic: where did this convo take place ?
fluffypony: #zacon on Atrum
Apocalyptic: can you ask him if he's the HZV Stalker ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00098149 = 11.6797 BTC [+]
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: not him
Naphex: the syntax in lisp is just brilliant
Naphex: so easy to understand, and see what's going on ;]
Naphex: makes coding look like abstract art
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36900 @ 0.00097423 = 35.9491 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, ok, thanks
ozbot: Activist Post: Silk Road Prosecutor Says IRS is Wrong, Bitcoin is Money
fluffypony: so basically: "Bitcoin is money. Or property. Or a medium of exchange. Or a store of value. Or gold. Dependent on whether we want to prosecute or tax you or both."
ThickAsThieves: seems they are trying to solve the wrong problem\
ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole
ThickAsThieves: just give it its own category
ThickAsThieves: hell they dont even have to do that, maybe just go ahead and let it be multiple things in law
ThickAsThieves: is bitcoin money? yes
ThickAsThieves: is it property? yes
ThickAsThieves: !up random_cat_
assbot: Voicing random_cat_ for 30 minutes.
random_cat_: ty; sometime soon semi-auto authenticate will re-occur
random_cat_: the query was: isn't money [just] a special form of property?
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: why try to put a square in a round hole << i've said this for years. but now i'm starting to understand people are so stupid they don't realize they are stupid
ThickAsThieves: "A unique category of property is money, which in some legal systems is treated as tangible property and in others as intangible property."
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://pando.com/2014/04/29/skillbridge-is-racing-to-become-the-freelance-consultants-marketplace/ in regards to having a "bitcoin freelance.com" how might that differ from freelance.com and the like simply accepting bitcoin? to ONLY accept bitcoin?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
ThickAsThieves: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Aug 21 14:55:32 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 2 years, 16 weeks, 2 days, 1 hour, and 0 seconds.
ThickAsThieves: ;;interval
gribble: 526.829268292683
ozbot: [XCP] Adeally IPO Monday April 28
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 32 @ 0.07225812 = 2.3123 BTC [+] {5}
random_cat_: too bad halfreward does not mention the block number
ThickAsThieves: ;;totalbtc
gribble: Error: "totalbtc" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: SEC filing was incorrect
ThickAsThieves: ;;totalbc
gribble: 12711475.0
fluffypony: "Just be happy that nobody has mentioned the Whistleblower program, which provides a 10-30% bounty on SEC enforcement actions that result from tips on possible SEC violations. With all of the faucet mongers on this forum, I imagine at least one or two of them would spend a few minutes on the SEC website for a payday down the road."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30543 @ 0.00097653 = 29.8262 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: interesting that they filed at all
ThickAsThieves: (i assume someone verified they did?)
ThickAsThieves: ;;obip 1000
gribble: Bitstamp | The weighted average price of BTC, 1000.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 446.28772 USD. | Data vintage: 0.1078 seconds
ThickAsThieves: interesting
ThickAsThieves: thats like excactly the price
ThickAsThieves: ;;baratio
gribble: Bitstamp | Total bids: 9884457 USD. Total asks: 23180 BTC. Ratio: 426.41103 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 58.1081 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5546 @ 0.00097551 = 5.4102 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: they provided a snurl'd link to the SEC filing in the OP
ozbot: With all that cash, why is Apple borrowing to raise its dividend and buybacks? | PandoDaily
bounce: because the cash isn't really cash and stuck across borders and more of that bs?
ThickAsThieves: in order to keep the money overseas to avoid tax
ThickAsThieves: they borrow money here
ThickAsThieves: through the bond offering
ThickAsThieves: they buyback their own stock
ThickAsThieves: it's fucked up and elegant
ThickAsThieves: KnCMiner Joins Bitcoin Foundation at Platinum Level
random_cat_: CoB < E[RoE] ?
ThickAsThieves: !up princessnell_
assbot: Voicing princessnell_ for 30 minutes.
princessnell_: thanks
ThickAsThieves: if you need help getting auth'd and all that jazz, people in here can help
ThickAsThieves: same for you random_cat_
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell fluffypony see look, you do have (software) competition! http://bitcoinmagazine.com/12660/coinmyne/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: yep I know, but hey - competition is good for the soul;)
ThickAsThieves: well it at least means the vertical might actually exist
fluffypony: it definitely does
fluffypony: and there's a lot more to mining than cgminer
thestringpuller: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com https://hashop.io/calc/16
gribble: NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
thestringpuller: ;;google site:log.bitcoin-assets.com "hashop.io"
gribble: NEXT: 16-10-2013 - #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-10-2013>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0340011 = 0.34 BTC [-]
mike_c: mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like that article. i am a fan of cuban, he's good people.
mike_c: good writeup. a bit harsh on mark, but he can take it.
thestringpuller: mike_c: is this in trilema?
mike_c: yes
thestringpuller: new article?
mike_c: yes, would you like me to read it to you out loud? :)
thestringpuller: yes please. will you read it to me tonight before I go to bed
mike_c needs more coffee
thestringpuller: like a bed time story?!?!?
thestringpuller: why was I here again...
mike_c: absolutely. just send me 1 trilema credit.
thestringpuller: !jd MPIF
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.36083449 BTC
thestringpuller: HOL UP HOL UP
thestringpuller: ;;google ( .36 / 50 )
thestringpuller: ;;calc ( 0.36 / 50 )
gribble: 0.0072
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0072 * 6
gribble: 0.0432
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0072 * 5
gribble: 0.036
mike_c: if you're curious, here's historical monthly JD ROI: http://www.btcalpha.com/income/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0404999 = 0.405 BTC [+]
mike_c: this month was 4.4%
kakobrekla: are you gonna do cumulative charts too ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0405 = 0.405 BTC [+]
mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there
kakobrekla: yea i just figured that out
mike_c: cumulative ROI from inception, it can be hard to tease out useful info. idk.
mike_c: aw, sheesh. fricking widget is busted. who coded this crap?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.0009764 = 8.2018 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: what do you think about Curren$y?
mike_c: ok, widget is fixed.
mike_c: so, last night i was on bitbet and was thinking that it would be cool to have a dynamic banner ad that promoted bitbets. aspiring affiliates could use it to make big moolah.
mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00097574 = 13.1725 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: neat, mike
kakobrekla: this is neat
kakobrekla: first!!
kakobrekla checks the log
kakobrekla: fuck.
mike_c: proof of concept is slow & unstable (pings BB in background), but wouldn't be hard to make it solid.
kakobrekla: you could do like ?id=1,2,3 to feed it the pool from which to select the displayed text ?
kakobrekla: let it ping bb who cares
kakobrekla: its not like im gonna run out bandwidth like ukyo does
mike_c: yeah, that would work. the default should be to grab from open bets (which it doesn't check right now).
mike_c: well, i'm thinking BB might get mad at my server and rate limit it.
bounce: *iwilcox* [...] these guys should be in #bitcoin-otc-uk this evening: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583152.0 [...] -- post from the 24th, claiming "We have developed a NASDAQ style exchange platform" and bitcoin/GBP for starters; logs then show a post 110 higer claiming to be "the only true UK bitcoin exchange".
kakobrekla: prolly not mike_c
mike_c: but i have like, crazy traffic! BB might get swamped :D
kakobrekla: on a side point , the site is quite lightweight
mike_c: but i'm thinking i'll whip up an includable .js that writes out the image and a supplied affiliate id. then affiliates can use it in their advertising.
kakobrekla: so it should handle some beating.
mike_c: static pages are nice that way.
bounce: re apple borrowing to pay dividents, they've been doing that for a while. though, thinking about it... are those off-shore profits still tax deductible when gifted to charities?
kakobrekla: fyi, when you scroll in /browse/, theres a delay added intentionally on loading new data, because without it, it was too fast and didnt look good.
mike_c: heh. nice.
ThickAsThieves: bounce, my guess is that they may not necessarily be donating that offshore money, but that they have less need to spend it there in the short term than they have need to spend money in the US. Sorta like theyve diverted more assets overseas than they need, but no so badly that theyre willing to eat the tax hit to bring it back.
ThickAsThieves: even more likely, they are biding their time for a tax holiday or special workaround yet to exist
bounce: I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money
kakobrekla: i just checked, 50ms delay, but you notice it.
ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> I'm not asking whether they would be donating anything. I'm asking whether, in case some company would like to donate and deduct, they can do it with off-shore money --- well, they can't bring it back without paying their due. i suppose they could donate within the host country though. I really don't know the facts.
fluffypony: bounce: wow, there are so many "One True UK Bitcoin Exchanges" right now
fluffypony: we should start one
fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one
bounce: oh yes, why not. entirely run by non-residents. there's a novel idea.
fluffypony: come now
bounce: there's?
fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader"
fluffypony: need we say anything more?
bounce: whosat?
fluffypony: he leads thoughts.
fluffypony: Global Coin FX
fluffypony: the Seedcoin II funded *true* UK exchange
fluffypony: bounce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583262.0 <- another *true* UK exchange
bounce: searching for that guy's name brings up this: http://www.athcon.org/about.php
bounce: yeah that's the +110
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0405 = 0.162 BTC [+]
fluffypony: this UK exchange thing is becoming a living, breathing No True Scotsman fallacy
fluffypony: "Christian works as a Senior Application Security Architect for a large Investment Bank based in London"
fluffypony: I see
fluffypony: so that's how you become a thought leader
fluffypony makes a note
bounce: my experiences with uk recruiters is... not good. "not enough unix" when there's six flavours on the old cv, that sort of stuff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0700013 = 0.14 BTC [-]
fluffypony: bounce: they sound special
fluffypony: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
mrstickball: thanks
the20year: I would have thought mrstickball would have had a high enough rating for auto voice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC
benkay: it's not quantity but quality
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot mrstickball
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mrstickball!uid14687@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vpkoyrxcbdyijtjn. Trust relationship from user assbot to user mrstickball: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=mrstickball | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=mrstickball | Rated since: Fri Jul 5 18:09:54 2013
fluffypony: the20year: it's not about a "high" rating
fluffypony: the20year: you have to be in assbot's l1 or l2 to up yourself
benkay: uh but it seems mrstickball could up himself.
mrstickball: I assumed I had L2 with assbot
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot the20year
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask the20year!~the20year@50.41.146.185. Trust relationship from user assbot to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=the20year | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=the20year | Rated since: Tue Apr 29 11:21:55 2014
ThickAsThieves: !down the the20year
ThickAsThieves: !down the20year
ThickAsThieves: do it right plz!
benkay: the man can't self-up, ThickAsThieves.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0381001 = 0.381 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: well tell me this
ThickAsThieves: what's the point of +m if someone just gets voiced every day by someone else?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
benkay: the point is that those who can voice do so if they feel moved by the spirit
ThickAsThieves: well feel free to re-up i guess i made my point
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00097897 = 10.3771 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.38507092 BTC to 7`589 shares, 31428 satoshi per share
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: the20year: for srs has no one trust in you?
the20year: Not here at least it seems
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00097815 = 6.4558 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 42.37371273 BTC to 7`589 shares, 558357 satoshi per share
the20year: You'd think i'd be able to drum up more people considering i've been given along the lines of 1k btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.03800456 = 0.9121 BTC [-] {3}
mrstickball: the problem is that he never bothered with core/OTC until recently
the20year: Correct
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.03964468 = 0.7929 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07364998 = 0.1473 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: the20year: Well I'm averse to trusting you because of that thing where you consider Ohio viable enough to make it a core part of your schtick
the20year: So I've been working on ratings for 2 days, granted mrstickball i don't think still have enough trust after a year to voice himself
the20year: You live in Ohio?
fluffypony: the20year: you can get enough trust to voice yourself the day you join
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 99 @ 0.03302152 = 3.2691 BTC [-] {6}
fluffypony: it's not about historical ratings
benkay: I'm averse to trusting the20year due to that whole 'suspend trading and sell stock at a fixed price' thing, BingoBoingo .
fluffypony: or cumulative ratings
BingoBoingo: benkay: Maybe that is a part of it? Maybe it isn't.
the20year: fluffypony: how?
mrstickball: benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does
BingoBoingo: the20year: I thought I made my position on Ohio well known in the past.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.036 = 0.864 BTC [-]
the20year: And your source of data boingo?
fluffypony: the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people
fluffypony: once rated you'll be in assbot's L2
ThickAsThieves: <+mrstickball> benkay: correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what Havelock does <<< only of the20year allows it
the20year: with suspending shares for 2nd phase? I'm not aware of any option they have outside of it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.036 = 0.972 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07385419 = 3.1757 BTC [+] {7}
benkay: yeah, this "havelock's the problem here!" whine carries absolutely no water.
mike_c: <+fluffypony> the20year: just go and trade OTC with any of those people << if they give ratings for trading peanuts OTC
ThickAsThieves: why are you calling it second phase?
ThickAsThieves: isnt this your 3rd or 4th offering?
benkay: sell at the market price. that's the honest thing to do.
the20year: Isn't that what it is?
the20year: Our stock is based on USD, and that was the price of USD:BTC at the time of re-issuing
benkay: stop.
fluffypony: mike_c: sure, doesn't have to be peanuts tho - 1 BTC isn't a bad trade OTC
BingoBoingo: the20year: That part where that river lit on fire in your state. The General shittiness of THE Ohio State University needing to emphasize the "THE", there are others
benkay: it doesn't matter. you don't get to set a price for your freely traded paper.
the20year: BingoBoingo: and those are economic factors because?
the20year: If there's no demand for said paper, then there's no demand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0072648 = 0.138 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00726480 / 0.00747862 / 0.00750000 (209 shares, 1.56303120 BTC), 7D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749755 / 0.00750000 (1822 shares, 13.66053120 BTC), 30D: 0.00726480 / 0.00749981 / 0.00750000 (23119 shares, 173.38803120 BTC)
mrstickball: BingoBoingo: so you're judging someone based on a university they are not affiliated with?
BingoBoingo: the20year: Because maybe Ohio might decide to make the rivers flamable again? Maybe the whole state collapses into Earth's mantle after a football loss.
benkay: yeah, you found some suckers. doesn't make what they're doing investing, doesn't make what you're doing not insane.
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: No. I am judging their land tied rental business based on its location.
the20year: And our fund isn't an investment because?
the20year: Based on pollution problems from the 1960s and a college in the state
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 40 @ 0.06474168 = 2.5897 BTC [-]
the20year: Makes total sense
BingoBoingo: Also, Brandon Phillips
benkay: the20year: it's a reference to the difference between what happens on havelock and what investing actually is. reading comprehension ftw.
BingoBoingo: And the movie Major League didn't exactly paint a flattering portrait of the state
the20year: A movie?
BingoBoingo: There are lots of reasons to doubt Ohio is going to last the next decade, much less the next century before it collapses into a North American Somalia.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53593 @ 0.00098025 = 52.5345 BTC [+] {3}
mrstickball: yeah, so that means everyone from Ohio is an idiot, and you should never do business with them, eh?
bitcoinpete: gotta jet but ima leave this here:
ozbot: A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: as per nba clippers dude
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
the20year: is there a way to get a multi-day log from bitcoin-assets?
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: When you have a venture tied to physical land, generally the idiots surrounding it affect the desirability of that land.
mrstickball: I see, nice to know that you feel that way about 10 million people
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.03399999 = 0.102 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23057 @ 0.00098335 = 22.6731 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up mrstickball
assbot: Voicing mrstickball for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: a fundamental right of persons is to dislike things, whether the things are chocolate, puppies, or locations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Or other persons
mrstickball: Sure, its a right. Doesn't make the view correct
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03282499 = 0.6565 BTC [-] {5}
the20year: It's like that lady I was talking to on facebook last night who said gasonline prices are lower on average under Obama than the past administrations
ThickAsThieves: sounds like a horrible conversation
the20year: I'm pretty sure i lost IQ
the20year: I even dug up the EIA weekly gasoline price report going back to 1990
BingoBoingo: mrstickball: It's a judgment. Time reveals correctness. I judge Ohio to dangerous to have anything tied to its land.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0311 = 0.1244 BTC [-]
mrstickball: so you believe in 10 years, Ohio will be like Somalia? Willing to bet BTC on that?
the20year: oooh, let's get a bitbet going
benkay: the20year: wouldja share that EIA data?
the20year: I'll put up 2btc
benkay: bitbet only goes out 12 mos.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03 = 0.18 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.0062041 = 0.6204 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: of course it's not really 'gasoline' any more. 'corn oil', and subsidized at that.
the20year: Corn oil sells locally for $3.25/gal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 100 @ 0.14 = 14 BTC
BingoBoingo: benkay: Worse than that. Corn Alcohol rendered undrinkable. That and it doesn't lubricate engine parts.
benkay: right. corn alcohol, not oil.
ozbot: Dark Wallet Alpha - YouTube
kakobrekla: lmao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.02820001 = 0.2538 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Bloomberg's Trading Terminals Now Providing Bitcoin Pricing - Slashdot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.02820001 = 0.141 BTC [-]
punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014"
Apocalyptic: kako, gotta love the Amir
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.02820001 = 0.282 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: punkman, not sure if serious or...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03077777 = 0.277 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: Dark Wallet was conceived last summer by Wilson and Amir Taaki. << immediately stopped reading when I saw Taaki's name
thestringpuller: for fucks sake
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.03180768 = 0.4135 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.031 = 0.217 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: for conception's sake
punkman: Amit Avner, The veteran of Israeli Defense Force's elite intelligence and programming unit is a coding prodigy who started a search engine at age 14. does advertising to put brands in real-time social conversations for major brands like American Express, Paramount Studios, Pepsi and Samsung.
punkman: this Forbes list has a lot of derp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 53 @ 0.06474168 = 3.4313 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.00097815 = 1.6629 BTC [-]
jurov: !up mjr_
assbot: Voicing mjr_ for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up mius
assbot: Voicing mius for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up Dimsler
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
Dimsler: yeah i left my btc wallet back home
Dimsler: no gribble auth for me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
Naphex: evening
asciilifeform: from the circus:
ozbot: Using Facebook Notes to DDoS any website | A Programmer's Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF2] 162 @ 0.001 = 0.162 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 7 @ 0.14 = 0.98 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50454994 = 1.0091 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00097757 = 14.5658 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00459 = 0.1652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 17 @ 0.006017 = 0.1023 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Amsterdam, Bitcoin Conferences, Quantum Mining and the Future
mike_c: ^ open market seems to disagree with 3po price
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50499989 = 1.01 BTC [+]
mike_c: 9 paragraphs, 11 footnotes :) you guys.
ThickAsThieves: just waiting for your footnote article!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097705 = 8.6957 BTC [-]
mike_c: tat you should live-ish blog, that would be interesting. and then you can capture some of those interesting conversations before they grow fuzzy in recollection.
ozbot: PHP Manual Masterpieces
ThickAsThieves: i just might
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Statements should be in your mailbox
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6906 @ 0.00012322 = 0.851 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 831 @ 0.00012729 = 0.1058 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00097705 = 31.6564 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.02883412 = 1.1822 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07477643 = 1.1964 BTC [+] {5}
bounce: where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable though requires something of a revamp, so probably yet another altcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 644 @ 0.00451278 = 2.9062 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.0043548 = 0.4311 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0741 = 1.0374 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0335 = 0.1675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0336 = 0.1344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0334999 = 0.134 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07386034 = 0.8863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31065 @ 0.00097676 = 30.343 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35635 @ 0.00097328 = 34.6828 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07499989 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07499989 = 0.225 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07101492 = 0.142 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
benkay: for teh lols, it takes > a minute to generate 4096 bit keypair on a cutting edge iOS device
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10710 @ 0.00097931 = 10.4884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0300001 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 28 @ 0.00739958 = 0.2072 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: I wouldn't generate any kind of key on such device
Apocalyptic: unless it's "for teh lols"
cgcardona_: top of tha mornin #bitcoin-assets o/
fluffypony: benkay: presumably due to lack of entropy not due to it being tough to crunch?
benkay: fluffypony: i'd assume.
fluffypony: "move the mouse to generate entropy"
fluffypony: oh Bob Hoskins died :(
benkay: Apocalyptic: it's an adequate solution.
ozbot: Yelp now lists businesses that accept Bitcoin - CNET
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8900 @ 0.00097943 = 8.7169 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0309999 = 0.186 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0741 = 0.5187 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07011241 = 6.0297 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50969968 = 1.0194 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.50969986 = 1.5291 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21400 @ 0.00097943 = 20.9598 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 3.20000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 8000 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00098139 = 16.7818 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48320571 = 4.8321 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07406305 = 0.1481 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48264098 = 4.8264 BTC [-] {8}
ozbot: FSU Athlete Explains Why Jameis Winston Allegedly Stole Food
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.08 = 0.48 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "The jury is deliberating in the lawsuit between Apple Inc. (NASDAQ:AAPL) and Samsung, but their decision is modified and perhaps complicated by the fact that any damages awarded to Apple will be paid not by the Korean copycat, but by Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG). Google, the creator of the Android platform, agreed to absorb a portion, or the entirety, Samsung’s losses (if any) and court
ThickAsThieves: costs because the infringed patents relate to the Mountain View firm’s software, and not Samsung’s hardware. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up daybyter
assbot: Voicing daybyter for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up jorash
assbot: Voicing jorash for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up ericmuyser
assbot: Voicing ericmuyser for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
akstunt600: Thanks
BingoBoingo: You are welcome
akstunt600: hey looking for a good c developer
akstunt600: i have a new coin with a very cool new concept i would like to implement
daybyter: C....not java...everybody hates java... :-(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00097943 = 5.093 BTC [-]
akstunt600: yeah lol, java scares me anymore. Such a shame ecause i supported Java devs for years as a systems admin
akstunt600: and ASE
akstunt600: i think javav clients and wallets scare many miners/investors
daybyter: I write all my trading code in java...
BingoBoingo: Local java can be workable for some uses, but... Even then usually there are better options.
Naphex: java is a good tool
Naphex: great if you know how to use it, when and where
thestringpuller: java is a terrible tool
daybyter hugs Naphex
thestringpuller: Lemme run VMs in a vm so you can vm
BingoBoingo: The whole having a Giant API layer to run some "portable" code is a turn off.
thestringpuller: Additionally why must java take so much memory?
Naphex: you can have that api layer as clean as you want
Naphex: its just a jar
BingoBoingo: Sure, but the runtime...
thestringpuller: You'd think the garbage collection would be more efficient than someone manually allocating memory.
daybyter: I run my code on my 256MB smartphone...
Naphex: thestringpuller: not that many problems with gc if you don't trash like an asshole
daybyter: and a bot on a 512MB vps.
Naphex: you're suposed to do quality code
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12680 @ 0.00097943 = 12.4192 BTC [-]
Naphex: don't trash, and you won't have gc problems
daybyter: the same code.
thestringpuller: Naphex: such an idealist...
punkman: can't even browse interesting Java code without a damn IDE, all those damn subdirectories
thestringpuller: because when we set a pointer to null it'll be gc'ed in the next cycle
Naphex: oh man
Naphex: you guys should see enterprise software
Naphex: it's huge.
punkman: rly?
Naphex: like public transportation dispatches
Naphex: at that point having IDE's with autocomplete, context lookup and refactoring
Naphex: is a blessing
daybyter: good trading software is also big...
thestringpuller: Naphex: i used to work for a payment processor who wrote the entire webapp in java
thestringpuller: some like 2000 useless files
Naphex: i wouldn't do webapp dev in java tough
Naphex: and servlets and ee sucks ass
thestringpuller: oracle database with tables with 300+ columns
Naphex: standalone java, ftw, and backends and such
Naphex: i'd rather do scalable server backends, with nio in java then anything other
midnightmagic: thestringpuller: hah sounds like qpass
ThickAsThieves: ;;gettrust jorash
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
Naphex: boost c++ / python(or the realtime variants) / whatever
daybyter: you want to work on java code?
daybyter: server included?
Naphex: you have static code, very good nio stack, and nice threading
Naphex: nah - i'm full
daybyter: oh... :-(
ThickAsThieves: ;;rate jorash 1 Not afraid of criticism. Thank you.
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
ThickAsThieves: well at least you all see it
Naphex: i wouldn't do GUI/servlets/ or webdev in java
Naphex: so yeah
daybyter: the bot can create a web UI for server mode.
daybyter: it's an exchange then.
daybyter: but still needs a lot of work...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3310 @ 0.00097943 = 3.2419 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: lol boost c++
thestringpuller: game devs love that one
Naphex: so do bitcoin devs
akstunt600: lol @ garbage collection issues, iits atrocious still
akstunt600: i like boost c++ i can even contribute in it. i mean i have already made the base for this new coin
akstunt600: I have never actually done more than the basic tuts in eclipse for c++
Mats_cd03: heyooooo
Naphex: boost c++ == java runtime for C++ :)
akstunt600: Thanks
Mats_cd03: just had a dericious popover
akstunt600: i feel dumb now
akstunt600: mmmm popovers
akstunt600: yeah i saw alot of semblance between the two
Naphex: plus i'd also wager that java profiling/analyzing/debugging tools are some of the best around
daybyter: I just use some simple SYstem.out.println...
daybyter: I hate eclipse...
Naphex: daybyter: try intelij maybe, or not an ide :]
daybyter: I'm happy with emacs...
daybyter: and my ant build files.
Apocalyptic: should use vim
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10390 @ 0.00097598 = 10.1404 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0300001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 31 @ 0.00710059 = 0.2201 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0305 = 0.122 BTC [+]
akstunt600: I love VIM i used eclipse ages ago
akstunt600: Vim is much more my style
akstunt600: just nice syntax highlisting and able to search and replace quickly
akstunt600: I used diff and cime to make this new base coin
akstunt600: Not sure i want it to be pow/pos after readin up more on it and gettin a bit more intamate
akstunt600: However POSv is intriguin the velocity of money is a great idea
ThickAsThieves: my recent blog post has been softened a bit to be a little less bitcoinpete-y about the quantum mining guys
ThickAsThieves has a heart.
fluffypony: bravery level = so
fluffypony: altruism level = so
ThickAsThieves: well if i'm gonna be writing blog posts about people i better make sure i put myself in their shoes, since i'm more likely to be wearing them at some point
mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema)
ThickAsThieves: well even mircea has a code
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0739 = 0.2217 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03
assbot: Voicing Mats_cd03 for 30 minutes.
FabianB: ;;ticker --all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure the (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --marker all
gribble: (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market <market>|all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: the code is a valid currency on your target market. Default currency is USD.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 448.56, vol: 10740.77264368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 440.974, vol: 7166.42317 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 446.95000001, vol: 7354.70049941 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 442.71, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 445.630074, vol: 4064.44780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 451.84808, vol: 5.76850587 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 454.83009, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
FabianB: ;;more
gribble: average: 445.917849754
FabianB: hmm
gribble: Error: "less" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: ;;plenty
gribble: Error: "plenty" is not a valid command.
fluffypony: well fine
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all --currency eur
gribble: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 323.41176, vol: 10740.78072368 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 321.05028, vol: 122.88625 | CampBX BTCEUR last: 319.19391, vol: 65.20138464 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 321.456384, vol: 4063.02780000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 323.9393, vol: 761.77418746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCEUR last: 327.9, vol: 90.26075823 | Volume-weighted last average: 322.925581931
mike_c: so who is fucking with ATC? mined like crazy until diff change, then they all shut off. stupid pool hoppers.
fluffypony: bastards
fluffypony: heartless, ruthless bastards
fluffypony: messing with our dreams
FabianB: is it on any of the switchpools?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That happened a way back
mike_c: it just happened.
ThickAsThieves: there has always been a bit of a pattern like that with atc
BingoBoingo: Really?
mike_c: last diff change was like 200%, next diff change projected at -67%
ThickAsThieves: yeah, ive seen several times where it starts -% prediction then ends up +
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Last diff change was quite a while ago wasn't it?
ThickAsThieves: like people mining only at the tail end of the period or some shit
mike_c: no, few days ago
fluffypony: "I agree, confidentiality agreements are not the funnest situations"
ThickAsThieves: it's funny considering the price has gone up
fluffypony: funnest
fluffypony: he said funnest
mike_c: BingoBoingo: april 27 i believe.
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu looks like everyone's trolling on the forum worked - "We have decided to re-structure Seedcoin Fund 2 to make it more attractive to potential investors and to re-launch the offering in the near future. All current SF2 investors will be refunded and invited to join the future offering."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: atc diff from blockr. note recent huge spike. http://i.imgur.com/PqdZp0B.png
ThickAsThieves: or was it "we have realized aint no one gonna buy this, back to the drawing board!"
mike_c: almost all that hash power seems to be gone now.
ThickAsThieves: someone is trying to kill Altcoin!
ThickAsThieves: bring back teh whalez
mike_c: indeed. I wonder what it would cost to rent some miner's hashpower to smooth out the bumps.
thestringpuller: ugh whats teh command mod6
mike_c: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 149792.42 in 1834 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -67.10
ThickAsThieves: like i mentioned in romania, i was considering sponsoring some miners
mike_c: did you make any inquiries?
ThickAsThieves: but mircea was right, as usual, the best way to support them is by buying ATCs
ThickAsThieves: so i did and will continue to
thestringpuller: i imagine ATC will become extremely useful in lieu of the testnet
mike_c: well, price support is nice. but it seems that can lead to what just happened. that is, it gets profitable and so a huge flood of hash hits the network, profit is taken, and hash leaves.
mike_c: now the only way to attract would be to make it profitable at the new difficulty level, which is way too high
mike_c: and could result in the same problem happenning again
mike_c: so having some TH/s in your back pocket to smooth out these kind of bumps still seems like a good idea.
mod6: thestringpuller: and remember there is always %help
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <ATC Address> | %atc_mined | %block <block_height> | %last_block | %cm_rate | %ptp_rate
mike_c: hands-off management might not be the answer here :)
mod6: on the next restart, some of those commands will be smaller: %last_block becomes %lb, etc.
atcbot: [ATC Last Block] Height: 30422 Time: 2014-04-30T19:37:51Z Vout Sum: 512 Number TXs: 1 Difficulty: 455357.12903751 Hash: 0000000000002498569861e6b76cafa903d6e235cf337d8da3d4d7a8d224eceb Fee: 0.00000000 Size: 518 Days Destroyed: 0 Confirmations: 1
mod6: oop, lol
mike_c: mod6: and it will only check for commands at start of line?
mod6: yeah, i can add that too.
BingoBoingo: %atc_mined
atcbot: [ATC Mined] ATC Mined (to date): 15575552 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 5.80
ThickAsThieves: mike_c well i'm down to help
ThickAsThieves: if we can think of a sound way to do it
ThickAsThieves: i wish to maintain my promise to never mine any
ThickAsThieves: but that doesnt mean i wont donate to someone else providing hash security for the network
BingoBoingo: With only just under 6% mined, I dunno if advancing difficulty supposed price is the right approach.
mike_c: well, mining is a PITA. I would be interested to know what it would cost to get an option from some miners where they would agree to put some hashes on ATC when we want in the amounts we want.
mike_c: i'd also like to hear more from mircea_popescu if he thinks this is a bad idea.
ThickAsThieves: maybe we start the Altcoin Foundation
mike_c: lol
ThickAsThieves: except we actually do stuff for the health of the coin n stuff
mike_c: yes. can i be an amber member? platinum is so 2013.
ThickAsThieves: i think stan might be good at designing membership levels
ThickAsThieves: Patron of the Motherland
ThickAsThieves: or somesuch
fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Yes
fluffypony: in terms of multi-pools
fluffypony: why not look at something like KGW or DigiShield?
fluffypony: they're both half a dozen of one, six of another
fluffypony: but they prevent multipools from taking advantage much
mike_c: one of the nice things about altcoin is that is bitcoin in disguise.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.03350004 = 0.67 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 62 @ 0.03295674 = 2.0433 BTC [-] {14}
fluffypony: mike_c: which is fine when you have 57ph/s network wide, but when you have a significantly small distribution it's easy to manipulat
fluffypony: *manipulate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03095223 = 0.6809 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00097356 = 9.3949 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: so whilst doing the whole "Bitcoin in disguise" thing is humorous, if the aim is to prevent multipools or someone with a wack of hashing power abusing it (and thus making it even more useless/pointless) then there are solutions to that
ozbot: OpenSSH No Longer Has To Depend On OpenSSL - Slashdot
mike_c: yes, well, i'd rather pay a miner 0.2 btc to let us down gently from this difficulty bump instead of completely change the coin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03200199 = 0.16 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03208333 = 0.1925 BTC [+] {6}
fluffypony: how is adding a more rapid difficulty adjustment "completely" changing the coin?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0325 = 0.26 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.032375 = 0.1295 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: I'd argue that Satoshi was optimistic in his difficulty adjustment timeframe
mod6: ok quick atcbot restart here.
ThickAsThieves: well we aint gonna change the diff adjustment time now
ThickAsThieves: it was chosen arbitrarily intentionally dammit!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.033125 = 0.1325 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.0339615 = 0.4415 BTC [+] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0345 = 0.276 BTC [+] {5}
mod6: blah blah blah %h
mod6: %h
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
fluffypony: good job mod6
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.03023557 = 1.028 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.02968047 = 0.6233 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.0345 = 0.5175 BTC [+] {4}
mod6: thx fluffypony
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.03477777 = 0.313 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0355 = 0.1775 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 36 @ 0.0372836 = 1.3422 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00097598 = 12.151 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6281 @ 0.00097917 = 6.1502 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0359 = 0.1436 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I'm kind of wondering... Spz someone wanted to buy an SHA-256 ASIC for AltCoin... Where the fuck would they even buy one?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: Spondoolies
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Do they actually deliver?
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: seems so
BingoBoingo: I dun think seems so is good enough for mining hardware.
fluffypony: what I mean is
fluffypony: I haven't got one in my hands
rithm: go away assbot you are drunk
rithm: !down danilepbarron
rithm: !down danielpbarron
assbot: rithm, you can't do that to danielpbarron.
rithm: why not assbot
rithm: you suck
mike_c: BingoBoingo: how much hash you looking to get?
mike_c: or, 'someone'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5036 @ 0.00097889 = 4.9297 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I'm not actually looking to hash, but I am supposing if someone actually wanted hash... Who sells hash.
benkay: should be able to purchase hashes on one of the hash exchanges
benkay: ghash.io?
danielpbarron: !down rithm
assbot: danielpbarron, you can't do that to rithm.
benkay: nope.
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, I mean actual physical hardware.
rithm: would it be terrible if you couldn't get voiced in her danielpbarron
mike_c: these guys actually deliver quickly (like couple biz days): http://www.112bit.com/product/antminer-s1-dual-blade/
danielpbarron: rithm: no
danielpbarron: rithm: i mostly read in here; my opinion barely matters at my stage in the game
rithm: i just listen now because assbot
rithm: assbot broke my spirit and ruined bitcorn
BingoBoingo: mike_c: That... actually doesn't seem bad.
mike_c: yeah. there are a few "companies" doing bitmain reselling in US. that guy (112bit) has been doing it for awhile.
mike_c: pay the money, few days later a dusty box shows up from china.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49999999 = 1 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Maybe I haven't heard of them because there hasn't been a big fuss over "scam"
fluffypony: AntMiner has an extremely positive perception
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48202011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48200011 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 26 @ 0.00577117 = 0.1501 BTC [-] {5}
danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? There is a way to verify that a GPG key is associated with a twitter profile; #bitcoin-otc could be replaced with a twitter hashtag
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.00565049 = 0.1978 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: yes, keybase.io
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.029555 = 0.5911 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.06474168 = 1.2948 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: right, that's what i'm referring to
danielpbarron: what I mean is: give gribble a twitter account
asciilifeform: keybase.io << the scambase that wants your priv key, right
danielpbarron: you don't have to use keybase to do what i'm suggesting
danielpbarron: the concept can be done independantly
fluffypony: asciilifeform: apparently you can use it with pubkeys only
fluffypony: so I'm told
danielpbarron: you can
asciilifeform: how keybase can be trusted to do anything at all, is beyond me
danielpbarron: lol so don't trust keybase; you can still GPG sign a data object describing your association with a twitter profile and then calculate a hash of that signature and tweet it
asciilifeform: or sign a message 'account xxx is mine'
asciilifeform: of course, later account is taken over by spammers, whoever
danielpbarron: it would help to have a standard, whatever it is, so that the WoT twitter bot could scan for the verification tweets for the purpose of authing users
danielpbarron: you could issue a twitter revocation message
danielpbarron: your GPG key wouldn't be compromised
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23150 @ 0.00097806 = 22.6421 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: there could be more than one WoT twitter bot, too (is this getting close to a decentralized WoT; just brainstorming here)
punkman: nonsense
pankkake: if only namecoin didn't solve all that already
pankkake: perhaps it should have been called namecoin.io
fluffypony: nameco.in ?
danielpbarron: that would be cool too; i've been a fan of Namecoin for a while now
fluffypony: domain hacks are all the rage
danielpbarron: or was that sarcasm?
punkman: isn't there one like keybase that works on namecoin?
ozbot: NameID: Your Crypto-OpenID
pankkake: except I didn't have to give my private key to anyone
pankkake: and (omg) it's decentralized
danielpbarron: why does everyone keep saying "give private key to someone" << I never suggested doing that!
danielpbarron: and cool, i'm going to update my id/ to make it work on that site
danielpbarron: i had already reserved id/dpb :D
punkman: how big is the namecoin blockchain now?
pankkake: 1.8G
BingoBoingo: !up Dimsler
assbot: Voicing Dimsler for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up dR3
assbot: Voicing dR3 for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !up navhul-lacsup
assbot: Voicing navhul-lacsup for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18069 @ 0.00097917 = 17.6926 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00097931 = 10.8654 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Phoenix judge spares controversial pit bull's life
mircea_popescu: ooo look at all the blinking lights
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no, not just that. plenty of things.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that was unexpected
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: ikr
BigBitz: mircea_popescu !
BigBitz: Where is my assbot trust!
ThickAsThieves: assbot trusts no one
BigBitz: DATTRUST.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot BigBitz
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask BigBitz!~BigBitz@unaffiliated/bigbitz. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BigBitz: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BigBitz | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BigBitz | Rated since: Fri Apr 26 11:13:53 2013
mircea_popescu: there it is.
BigBitz: pesky assbot!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 61 @ 0.06474168 = 3.9492 BTC [-]
ozbot: Med Student Elizabeth Raine Auctioning Virginity Faces Critics
fluffypony: BigBitz you've had L2 since forever
BigBitz: fluffypony dat L2.
BigBitz: ;;rated fluffypony
gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon Apr 14 15:08:15 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: PPUSD for BTC. Smoooooth sailing..
fluffypony: forrizzle
ThickAsThieves: such photoshopping
mircea_popescu: BigBitz id with gribble pm assbot !up
BigBitz: mircea_popescu I did :P
BigBitz: I am +v
mircea_popescu: a ok wd.
BigBitz: ty ty
ThickAsThieves: "In order to circumvent U.S. laws prohibiting prostitution, Raine said the actual sex experience will take place in Australia, where it is legal."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.48140201 = 4.814 BTC [-] {7}
fluffypony: [00:25:28] <CampJustice> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/ - Much better than being in that channel
fluffypony: now he'll be famous
BigBitz: Pick up hooker. Go to Australia. Done.
mircea_popescu: lol he has a point.
asciilifeform: there's a 'fetish component'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0340001 = 0.34 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6437 @ 0.00097238 = 6.2592 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: some folks pay extra $5k+ for new car, vs. one driven off the lot once
asciilifeform: same idea
ThickAsThieves: does it include proof of hymen?
asciilifeform: damned if i know, ask the client.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0729008 = 0.3645 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: actulaly some do.
mircea_popescu: plenty of countries around the world you can get a virginity cert off any gp.
asciilifeform: in same countries, also get stitching op
ThickAsThieves: maybe she has butt sex daily
asciilifeform: 'amazing business idea', ye read it here phurst,
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: antibody-based test.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i knew chicks like that. "saving themselves for marriage". kinda pervy imo
asciilifeform: would almost certainly give solid proof that fucked or sucked sans rubber
ThickAsThieves: my first gf was such
asciilifeform: as far as perversions go, this one is quite popular.
ThickAsThieves: all these claims of virginity, then one day "Hey did you know Mikey put it in her pooper?"
asciilifeform: perhaps also for reasons that no one particularly likes to discuss
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves "honey, all that trouble i went to so you could have a bloodied pecker and make me hurt... show some appreciaiton."
ThickAsThieves: well we never screwed, that event kinda wrecked things over time
ThickAsThieves: my friends enjoyed giving me shit about it
ThickAsThieves: she was ostracized basically
mircea_popescu: hey, what was btc-e's first altcoin scam thing called ? i forget, was it novacoin ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight.
asciilifeform: 'the irish maidens have not lost their virtue, merely misplaced it by inch'
JorgePasada: I'm assuming the general opinion in this channel is that most of the altcoins are just pump and dump schemes
fluffypony: JorgePasada: there are some altcoins I quite fancy
fluffypony: but pankkake hates altcoins
asciilifeform: it is theoretically possible to have an interesting alt
fluffypony: he thinks they are the very scorn of the earth
JorgePasada: fluffypony: which ones and why?
asciilifeform: but s/bitcoin/turdcoin isn't interesting
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada seems a safe bet.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves:is bitcoin money? yes is it property? yes << and who the fuck would accept such laws ?
mircea_popescu: or are we of the persuasion now that laws need just be made, and teh populace will just swallow whatever they happen to be /
fluffypony: JorgePasada: I like VertCoin because it keeps my GPU frames in business; I'm peripherally interested in PPC because of PoS; I think X11 based coins like Darkcoin are playing with some interesting concepts, and I am VERY interested in (the new) Bytecoin's ring signatures (although I prefer Monero as it's Bytecoin's code but without the dodgy premine/possibly faked blockchain data)
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves wait, you dumped the girl because she took it in the ass ?! dude you're wrapped up too tight. /// lol it was obv much more complicated than that, i was a teenager!
asciilifeform: because of PoS << piece of shit? point of sale?
mircea_popescu: hehe. peer pressure ftw.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you receive the latest trading statement?
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.39072182 BTC
ThickAsThieves: i ended up ditching the peers too
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yea
fluffypony: asciilifeform: proof of stake...they haven't gotten the implementation anywhere close to useful, but I think the idea is interesting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Proof of Shit
mircea_popescu: holy shit it nearly made 1%
mircea_popescu: fluffypony explain the idea to me.
asciilifeform: proof of stake? Țepeșcoin!
ThickAsThieves: kobecoin
mircea_popescu: lol tepescoin
JorgePasada: Anyone from here going to the thing in Amsterdam?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla am i correct in assuming panacea s.mpif investment is 50.0 may 1st ?
kakobrekla: correct
JorgePasada: Also, I think proof of stake is interesting in theory
mircea_popescu: so that's everyone then, i will be publishing the f.mpif 1st statement tonight.
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I don't know it in enough detail to tl;dr, so this'll have to do - https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Proof_of_Stake
fluffypony: goddamn /me
JorgePasada: the problem is I have yet to see a good way of implementing it that handles both the technical AND social aspects of implementation
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but that was my point. if you think something's interesting you gotta be able to explain it :)
fluffypony: JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves is going to it
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I know, it's on my "stuff to understand" list
asciilifeform: i understand how 'proof of stake' works. but not wtf is the point.
mircea_popescu: no rush.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform idem.
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: wanna grab a beer in Amsterdam?
fluffypony: asciilifeform: presumably once I understand the "how" I may come to the same conlusion
asciilifeform: it seems to reduce to 'mining wastes energy so let's have central banks'
asciilifeform: which, in turn, reduces to 'just let me conjure up all the coin and parcel it out to the lot of you idiots'
ozbot: Ohio Bans Buying Booze With Bitcoin | Enterprise | WIRED
BingoBoingo: ^^ the20year mrstickball
mircea_popescu: ohio is like, figthing wisconsin to the death in this derpiest state competition
BingoBoingo: It has been for most of its history.
mircea_popescu: that apparently only they know about.
BingoBoingo: Only thin Ohio as produced are astronauts, people so traumatized by Ohio they had to leave this world.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is like never on anymore, he's almost like a guy with a day job and 3 side projects + a small kid or something.
joecool: well it's not like ohio's a very appealing place to go
mircea_popescu: anyway, mike_c, whai harsh yo usay ?
joecool: unless you're a sex offender
mircea_popescu: joecool judging by the property values, it's somewhere between kenya and utah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07230433 = 0.7953 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 21 @ 0.03324094 = 0.6981 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, high property values stopped being a proxy for 'nice place to live' sometime around when 'programmer' became a profession.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: there's a widget for calculating cum ROI across any timespan on there << I lolled. because cum ROI is lolzy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now that's also a valid point.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: proof of concept: http://www.btcalpha.com/bb_ad.png (reload a few times for dynamicism) << dude that's fucken epic. wow. such wow.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you see nthat shit ?!
ozbot: U.S. Commando Mission in Philippines Getting Overhaul
kakobrekla: yes its amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: me ♥ mike
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: next thing you'll be using emoji in chan
mircea_popescu: i'm a grown man, i'm not affraid to hug a pokemon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03099908 = 0.217 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: especially if it's a cute girl with nice tits.
fluffypony: 🇮🇹
ThickAsThieves: JorgePosada, but like, who are you?
asciilifeform: fluffypony: that came out a hex turd here.
fluffypony: asciilifeform: what a waste of an Italian flag
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: EVERYONE should start one and claim there's is the only TRUE one << start them in scotland, make every logics professor happy.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I nearly said as much a few lines late;)
ThickAsThieves: JorgePasada*, but like, who are you?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: Christian Papathanasiou is "widely considered a UK thought leader" << does this guy aspire to overtake Dr. Foreskin ?
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: I'm just some guy, who does things. :-)
mircea_popescu: what is with these fuckwits! it's like an entire new circle of strange broke last year, the "thoughht leaders"
JorgePasada: ThickAsThieves: benkay introduced me to this place, know him from meetups/trading locally
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: we should ALL become thought leaders...it could be the criteria for us each running our own One True UK Bitcoin Exchange
asciilifeform: shards of the true cross.
mircea_popescu: the20year: Not here at least it seems << dude you're becoming an exercise in squandered youth. shoulda gotten in the wot like you know, 6 months ago or w/e.
ThickAsThieves: just making sure you arent some kinda crazy
mircea_popescu: fluffypony i'll just be a thought follower.
mircea_popescu: everyone wants to fucking push the rope.
ThickAsThieves: mp i think the20year is in the wot no?
ThickAsThieves: just no one will rate him?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I'm a poop leader, yo
mircea_popescu: so you're a fart ?
fluffypony: entreprefart
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> everyone wants to fucking push the rope. << It's how one shoots self with a Bow.
fluffypony: entreprefeurt
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
fluffypony: "They link to a google doc on their website (which is where I pointed you to on my previous post). It's an example of putting in effort on transparency."
fluffypony: I see
fluffypony: a Google Doc = transparency
mircea_popescu: first ever transparency.
fluffypony: HAH HAH
fluffypony: from _mr_e
fluffypony: "I still haven't gotten dick all, other then a lower share price and a huge missed opportunity on GoCoin, from seedcoin1. Fuck this."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo dude why all the ohio hate
mircea_popescu: one of the better cocksuckers i know used to live there pre-rescue.
mircea_popescu: punkman: "Amir Taaki is listed by Forbes as one of the top 30 entrepreneurs under 30 in 2014" << how the fuck's that kid an entrepreneur lol
mircea_popescu: thought leader, i can see.
fluffypony: assbot needs to be like"THOUGHT LEADER!"
fluffypony: every time someone says thought
joecool: mircea_popescu: bro he's been starting companies since before it was cool
mircea_popescu: fluffypony or leader.
mircea_popescu: joecool like which ?
mircea_popescu: polimedia was started 2007. got an amir reg from prior ?
BingoBoingo: Well... I've never found anything about the place pleasant. Doesn't preclude the occasional gem from coming out of there, but it's enough to judge the location.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: agreed
joecool: mircea_popescu: no clue, they are all likely hard to remember names
fluffypony: someone pitch it to kako
joecool: mircea_popescu: i'm just saying, the past decade or so, everyone sets up an LLC for something, and 99% of them fail or do nothing
joecool: it's the hipster way™
BingoBoingo: I mean Arkansas has a state park where the reason to go is diamonds, often of gem quality, literally lay on the ground. Yet people don't go flood Arkansas trying to get to that one attraction.
mircea_popescu: joecool that may be true, except, it's not his case.
mircea_popescu: my argument here is that he fails to meet even the lowest common denominator.
mircea_popescu: !up napedia
assbot: Voicing napedia for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349989 = 0.105 BTC [+]
joecool: BingoBoingo: it involves effort and luck, some people do spent tons of time there
mircea_popescu: i think i probably formed more llcs than anyone in bitcoin has had sex partners, and probably in more jurisdictions than these folks have travelled.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
joecool: BingoBoingo: there was a woman that found the only perfect natural diamond ever recorded a few years back, she's likely still diggin away
mircea_popescu: the curse of success.
mircea_popescu: you end up trying to replicate it.
BingoBoingo: joecool: Sure some people spend tons of time there, but some people also buy groceries for sweepstakes entries.
fluffypony: bed time noa, night guys
mircea_popescu: this guy sleeps too much dioesn't he
mircea_popescu: every night, too.
Naphex: well, better sleep then stay all night optimizing dumdum raid arrays with ssd's
BingoBoingo: Sleep all at once and get it over with
mircea_popescu: six hours should be enough for everyone.
mircea_popescu: that shit's epic.
Naphex: lol
Naphex: strlen for hashing functions
Naphex: thats the joke ;]
mircea_popescu: bounce:where was that piece about quantum-proofing bitcoin? it's apparently doable << dude srsly. quantum proofing is not doable.
BingoBoingo: Eh, some of my best days have been 72 hours up followed by 18 hours down.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust jorash
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user jorash: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=jorash | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jorash | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves tried to rate him, not in the database
mircea_popescu: yeah i c. as you perhaps guessed, i'm a log interpreter not compiler.
mircea_popescu: mike_c: outrageous viewpoints are more engaging! (see trilema) << what, the outrage is wholly user contributed.
mircea_popescu: my articles are fair and balanced
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: Looks like you are getting the first S.MPIF statement tonight so you can analytics.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.00697997 = 0.1047 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: mike_c actually i think the variations in hashing are great. -2/3 isn't too impressive, and every al;tcoin goes through this scenario.
mircea_popescu: atc is handling it way better than the average.
mircea_popescu: "profit is taken" is nonsense. the huge flood mines what, 50 blocks ? 500 ? what profit is there to be taken,
mircea_popescu: a single day on xtc there were like 30k blocks traded.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: ah, that's cool
mircea_popescu: so in short, i don't think it's a bad idea if thats how you want to spend your time, but i do think it doesn't do much either way.
mike_c: "every altcoin goes through this" << yes.. and most of them fail.
mircea_popescu: not for this reason.
mike_c: bitcoin's biggest drop ever was 18%
mircea_popescu: let the coin write its own history, what.
mircea_popescu: remember that "Resilience" is just another way of saying "not giving a shit".
mircea_popescu: i mean, this coiuld marghinally be an argument if there were like, merchants, doing txn, being disrupted. but the average txn per block is like... 0.8 or something
mircea_popescu: in other words, "woman, i know you love the kid, now let him crack his fucking skull open. we'll mend him afterwards, IF he manages."
mike_c: yeah. i guess if there were a merchant trying to use ATC he'd probably be the only one worked up over it. hey satoshijack, what you think?
mircea_popescu: afaik he mines lol.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's exactly one failure mode of a coin, and that is, no buy side.
atcbot: 35k@225 42k@222 12k@220 | 110k@195 2k@170 5k@156
mircea_popescu: doesn't look worrisome yet.
mike_c: re: cuban, you started the article basically saying he was clueless :) i'm just a fanboy, so i was feeling defensive.
mircea_popescu: incidentally : bitcoin's constant dfif growth is a major driver of inflation (more coins / unit time than designed = inflation), and that acts as a price depressant.
mircea_popescu: mike_c indeed you were :p but i was saying he's an asshole, not clueless. which i do believe is what happened there, he started trying to be pr-asshole and ended up losing focus and just spilling.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Yeah, bothers me when people say "Hoarding is bad" or "People need to use their coins instead of holding them" or "Speculators are ruining the market"
mike_c: it was some good quotes from the trial though.
mircea_popescu: mike_c definitely.
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada what do people know. they also say "abstinence only sex ed" and stuff.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is"
JorgePasada: all those things completely ignore the buy side of the equation
mircea_popescu: look, you've seen kids play ? all the kids aspire to be the kid that picks what game they all play.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: most kids don't get to. that's life.
mircea_popescu: same thing here, everyone with a keyboard figures he could be picking the music, why not.
JorgePasada: Buyers/speculators are essential to market health
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03369997 = 0.2022 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.032 = 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: my current thinking is that any approach to economy that's not agent-agnostic is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: is there a firm love for sha256 as an algo? << 512.
JorgePasada: agent agnostic in what sense?
JorgePasada: I think I get what you're saying but, clarity is always good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.032 = 0.64 BTC [+]
ozbot: A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00097238 = 0.9238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20250 @ 0.00097329 = 19.7091 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: has anyone in here ever floated the idea of bringing the WoT to twitter? << i dun think i'd want that really. but maybe a gpg-based ircitter may be interesting.
JorgePasada: Following up to here
JorgePasada: It certainly isn’t wishful thinking, it’s rather fearful thinking,
JorgePasada: Amusingly, there’s no difference between these two :)
JorgePasada: Explain further on that comment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0324 = 0.2592 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i have no investment in your emotional investment. consequently, whether you wish or fear is all the same to me.it's merely the amplitude that interests, not the direction.
mircea_popescu: "makes little difference to the tree which way the wind blows. all that matters is how strongly" sorta thing
JorgePasada: The guy who you're taking the excerpts from seems to miss (or be terrified of the fact) that all the questions he's asking and the points your making come back to one thing
JorgePasada: the subjectivity of value
mircea_popescu: more like the preminence of pattern over intent.
JorgePasada: and he's trying to wrap it up all nice and neat and objectify it into something that can be cold, cool and calculated and make him feel all safe and warm inside
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03364997 = 0.1346 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: "if being rich doesn’t buy you freedom of speech, you’re rich in the wrong place and at the wrong time." << not bad.
JorgePasada: That's another way of saying the same thing, or maybe it's the next step down the chain
JorgePasada: either way the point remains that all the further down the chain you can quantify is the pattern
JorgePasada: the intent is at best a guessing game
JorgePasada: and at worst, justification for some terrible shit
ozbot: A Billion Doesn’t Buy Respect | When Bitcoin Met Pete
mircea_popescu: lol this thing is pretty lulzy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03377993 = 0.1689 BTC [+] {5}
JorgePasada: So, then I guess a follow up. Would you say intent has any relevance at all in economics?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03398747 = 0.2719 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: "BP: discrimination is to say that something is apart from other things. The words and actions against him are isolating, hence discriminatory
mircea_popescu: GS: words against him are isolating? what about the words he said?"
mircea_popescu: circular fucking reasoning at its best. talking to your average schmuck on any topic reduces to doing marriage counselling with idiots, for free.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0346427 = 0.2425 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03521428 = 0.2465 BTC [+] {7}
BingoBoingo: Well, becoming married to their ideas is part of what makes them idiots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03268749 = 0.2615 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03349998 = 0.3015 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03431249 = 0.2745 BTC [+] {8}
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
JorgePasada: I'd agree with the statement intentions are worthless in general, and always when applied to the aggregate.
JorgePasada: However in specific, exploring possible intent behind actions and actors on an individual or agent level can be useful.
JorgePasada: The thing people forget is you're always analyzing intent through, at minimum, two very subjective biased filters. 1) Your perspective 2) Their Actions.
BingoBoingo: jordandotdev: You are talking about management nao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03569999 = 0.1428 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Sorry JorgePasada...
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada useful, if you want ot marry them. not economically .
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03596249 = 0.2877 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03674998 = 0.3675 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.038 = 0.114 BTC [+] {3}
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: Isn't that kind of divorcing the act from the actor?
mircea_popescu: exactly.
mircea_popescu: the notion that intent is economically relevant is in no way different from proposing it be medically relevant
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03466666 = 0.208 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: medicine, the actual kind, was born once people finally realised intent don't enter into it,
mircea_popescu: its niot like the patient "hath brought pox upon himself, for his sins" or anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03522857 = 0.2466 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: that's the entire point there, to push economy from its current state of shamanism and alchemy to actual science.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.0009703 = 6.2584 BTC [-] {3}
Naphex: gn o/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49791072 BTC [+]
JorgePasada: Yep, and I agree with all of it, especially when applied to the market or any kind of aggregate group. I just think I might have some differing opinions when it comes to the individual level. Trying to think them out and find a better way to articulate what exactly it is I'm thinking.
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BingoBoingo: mike_c: ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0382 = 0.191 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}
JorgePasada: We're in agreement almost completely. Figuring out the almost is interesting though, and productive. Being wrong is the only way to learn, and if I'm wrong I'd like to know sooner rather than later.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03535 = 0.1768 BTC [-] {5}
JorgePasada: That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03878484 = 0.2715 BTC [+] {7}
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JorgePasada: Then again, I'm probably a crazy person :-)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.03899993 = 0.234 BTC [+] {6}
BingoBoingo: !up Franktank_
assbot: Voicing Franktank_ for 30 minutes.
Franktank_: What?
kakobrekla: What what?
mike_c: BingoBoingo: ah, thanks. i will digest.
BingoBoingo: Franktank_: U can talk nao
Franktank_: Ok, was I not able to before?
mircea_popescu: JorgePasada well there's no economics at the individual level
BingoBoingo: And when the time tuns out you probably won't be able to again until someone gives you voice again
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla see you broke it.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: What about how an individual chooses to allocate their time?t
mircea_popescu: then you're discussing time.
kakobrekla: yes i know :\
kakobrekla: all i got was a neat chan and a bunch of angry people.
JorgePasada: mircea_popescu: I see, I think I'm blurring the lines and blending two separate discussions together. I'll re-read that post later, think about it and get back to you when i've got a more concise version of what it is I'm trying to say.
JorgePasada: in the meantime, work needs doing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: idem, these f.mpif books ain't gonna cook themselves...
BingoBoingo: !up ComplaintsDept
assbot: Voicing ComplaintsDept for 30 minutes.
csshih: :D
csshih: omg mircea_popescu I sold you 25 btc in 2011
mircea_popescu: csshih ayup
csshih cries
mircea_popescu: a sucker is you.
csshih: hahaha :D did you hold?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {3}
csshih: why is it that everyone I've sold btc/hardware to has done all the right things and is now wealthy
csshih frowns
Franktank_: Mircea, have they revoked the ban?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.033 = 0.33 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03250567 = 0.3251 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: what ban is that ?
Franktank_: from BTCTalk
kakobrekla: so wait before we get this straight
kakobrekla: do you believe that mircea is a chick or a prick wearing lady avatar or ??
Franktank_: Actually I have no idea, I do miss the input of MPOE-PR on the Securities subform.
Franktank_: Ah, thanks for that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.48101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Why Disqus? For SRS?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.48100333 = 1.443 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00097333 = 10.95 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up sunshyne
assbot: Voicing sunshyne for 30 minutes.
kakobrekla: some new faces today eh
ozbot: Cointerra Bankrupted --- People Asking for refunds..
kakobrekla: but but their logo, its so professional.
BingoBoingo: Logo is important
ozbot: F.MPIF, April 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20150 @ 0.00096995 = 19.5445 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03286 = 0.1643 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0320001 = 0.16 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is still getting the 'are you the gurl' questions. wonder what kind of animal i'll be, in the imagination of audience.
mircea_popescu: was that what that was ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o look... a palinwordrome.
asciilifeform: this is the kind of thought that makes me wonder, perhaps i'm already in the wood chipper, it just isn't switched on yet.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, are you at present laying in a metal hopper with blades at you feet and/or head?
asciilifeform: not afaik.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
asciilifeform: but we should all be prepared for the kind of treatment mp gets, at the very least.
mircea_popescu: $depth F.MPIF
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: F.MPIF Bids: []
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: Asks: ['1000000 @ 0.000215']
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 4000 @ 0.000215 = 0.86 BTC
mircea_popescu: aaaand so it begins
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 75000 @ 0.000215 = 16.125 BTC
asciilifeform: i confess that i had 'bourbaki' thoughts even when climbing off the plane.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I doubt Cardano would get that kind of attention. Loper box might though.
BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 11320 @ 0.000215 = 2.4338 BTC
asciilifeform: can't say i relish the idea of attention
asciilifeform: can't eat it, run engine on it
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 23255 @ 0.000215 = 4.9998 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07355691 = 0.2207 BTC [+] {2}
akstunt600: GPA is buggy as all hell on ubuntu
akstunt600: need to gen a new key for this coin
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: What do you mean?
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1337 @ 0.000215 = 0.2875 BTC
akstunt600: the gpa gtk app
akstunt600: for pgp encryption
kakobrekla: its not just ubuntu
akstunt600: Hmm it used to work fine for me in windows way back when, but that was last year
akstunt600: idk anymore, havnt used windows since
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1.85901151 / 211.29665950
gribble: 0.00879811121671
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 365000 @ 0.000215 = 78.475 BTC
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: GPA kind always sucked.
BingoBoingo: It is neigh impossible to do good GPG key generation off of the commandline
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: All of the GUI tools I tried for Key generation suck by restricting options.
BingoBoingo: The key must be made on the commandline.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: oh. thing read to me as impossible to use cli to do it.
BingoBoingo: I prolly should have paused to word more carefully, but really the CLI is the only way I've found to adequately keygen with the right options
akstunt600: Well luckily i have used and installed PGP server for an enterprise and used gpg numerous times
akstunt600: So at least i know the orkflow
akstunt600: oh well its just nice to have gui to go off of
akstunt600: I have been in terminal all damn day
ThickAsThieves: grats on the MPIF kickoff
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo now on that we agree.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves yeah looking surprisingly good.
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: Well, the thing is it isn't a deep commandline exercise at all. It's just one where the GUI's hide the good options.
akstunt600: yeah like even to decrypt pub key encrypted messages it was awkward, like that main window should have been the spot to drag and drop msgs to encrypt/decrypt
akstunt600: and then the keys in the menu slector
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03547084 = 0.2838 BTC [-] {8}
akstunt600: I should fix GPA maybe
BingoBoingo: Abandon GPA.
akstunt600: after i get this kicked off
akstunt600: Why others need it
akstunt600: and its cross platform
BingoBoingo: No they don't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547062 = 0.1419 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: There are better cross platform tools than GPA if you need GPG.
BingoBoingo: And a gui
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03547002 = 0.2483 BTC [-] {7}
akstunt600: maybe seahorse + gpg
akstunt600: oh well ill just use CLI
BingoBoingo: akstunt600: Geany, the Text Editor/IDE is great
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03547003 = 0.1419 BTC [+] {4}
akstunt600: hmmm thats interesting
akstunt600: havnt ever used it
BingoBoingo: ;;google geany gpg
gribble: Geanypg - Plugins for Geany: <http://plugins.geany.org/geanypg.html>; Geany : Verify GPG Signature: <http://www.geany.org/Support/VerifyGPGSignature>; Downloads - Plugins for Geany: <http://plugins.geany.org/downloads.html>
BingoBoingo: ;;google geany gpg thedrinkingrecord
gribble: Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; October | 2013 | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/>
akstunt600: yeah installing from repo now
akstunt600: thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03547797 = 0.1774 BTC [+] {5}
akstunt600: haave been using melt or diff depending on how mig the src trees are, any other recommendations
akstunt600: meld*
BingoBoingo: That I dunno
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.03649999 = 0.2555 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.03939869 = 0.394 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315002 = 0.1575 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03924948 = 0.314 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03325 = 0.1663 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03937424 = 0.315 BTC [+] {8}
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo even geany gave me pains
assbot: [MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 15000 @ 0.000215 = 3.225 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0339636 = 0.3736 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: It sucks at encryption without some coaxing. It signs and decrypts fine though. Great for offline machines.
kakobrekla: got a manul to the coaxing perhaps?
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Not that I can get to reproduce this stuff reliably. ATM I can't encrypt with Geany. I swear I used to be able to.
kakobrekla: nuff said
BingoBoingo: Decrypting and signing are fine though.
BingoBoingo: At least GPG encryption is perfectly safe to do online.
mircea_popescu: well... imperfectly safe
mike_c: hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes.
mircea_popescu: the site may read oyur plaintext.
mircea_popescu: mike_c is that bad ?
mike_c: that is awesome
mike_c: i was trolling tat before for his footnotes > paragraphs post
ThickAsThieves: mike_c is a footnote warrior
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: By online I mean plugged into the internet. Not typed into a webapp.
BingoBoingo: But... Yeah...
BingoBoingo: I guess I can see concern even with that nao
BingoBoingo: That I typed it.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.03154294 = 0.1262 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: alright
BingoBoingo: I really can't wait for S.NSA to buy its own foundry in a decade.
BingoBoingo: Give or take another decade
BingoBoingo: Doesn't have to be cutting edge at all
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.03866663 = 0.116 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00097082 = 16.6981 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 453.84, Best ask: 456.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.16000, Last trade: 453.85, 24 hour volume: 10630.36591056, 24 hour low: 433.08, 24 hour high: 456.0, 24 hour vwap: 445.231896052
mike_c: kakobrekla, mpex trade socket isn't reporting f.mpif. is that temporary or intended?
kakobrekla: i dunno i must investigate
mike_c: ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10719 @ 0.00097333 = 10.4331 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !t m f.mpif
assbot: [MPEX:F.MPIF] 1D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 7D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC), 30D: 0.000215 / 0.000215 / 0.000215 (494912 shares, 106.41 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4281 @ 0.00097388 = 4.1692 BTC [+]
mike_c: i guess the market has decided on a price!
ThickAsThieves: i like the style of mpif, not too big for its britches
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
ThickAsThieves: just the 200 or so btc and that's that
ThickAsThieves: low volume PCs
BingoBoingo: I wonder if I should post past ATC trading statements stripped of commentary.
ThickAsThieves: i like the commentary fwiw
mircea_popescu: well how big you gonna make it you know ? 200btc is a respectable sum anyway.
mircea_popescu: let it grow over time.
ThickAsThieves: til the report i was wondering if you were gonna through more btc at the managers to play with
mike_c: some profit centers could handle more than others (panacea, JD)
mircea_popescu: tbh i think for now everyone's got enough
mircea_popescu: i'd love more pcs rather than more in these pcs atm
BingoBoingo: Yeah, if anything the limiting factor is that only 5 pcs made sense
asciilifeform: gpg had gui!?!?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It is bundled with a poor attempt at one named GPA
asciilifeform: S.NSA to buy its own foundry << just came back from taking exact dimensions of new flat. not quite big enough for foundry. gonna have to be when i che guevara with mp in jungle.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Плюс гаванскую сигарету, / И вот ты уже - Фидель, / Ты - Че Гевара, / Автомат взамен гитары...' (http://www.bards.ru/archives/part.php?id=27610 - 'the magic of whiskey')
kakobrekla: so now that everyone bought into mpif, i bring to you, by popular demand (mostly mike_c really) a losing month for panacea: -1.78%
BingoBoingo: So... I bring historical ATC trading results sans commentary
ozbot: So… History, the First ATC/BTC statement (Remember Historical) | Bingo Blog
mircea_popescu: '14 +0.12% +0.01% +0.26% -1.78%
mircea_popescu: you broke it!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 25 @ 0.06474168 = 1.6185 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: lets see may.
BingoBoingo: With this and the ending balances of the Mid April statement, the ATC/BTC thing should be quantable, but hopefully not too quantable.
asciilifeform: what's too quantable?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1609 @ 0.00012729 = 0.2048 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, I'm wary of letting people know where I think natural Bid and Ask borders for ATC lie and what price I consider the border between sellable and buyable.
BingoBoingo: These things may become more fluid, but...
kakobrekla: anyway, if anyone is looking for comment, april was a bit hectic, 9 trades actually happed, details are here http://bit4x.com/panacea/history/
asciilifeform: 'In the game of chess you can never let your adversary see your pieces.' (zapp brannigan, 'futurama')
ozbot: [SHA256] Altcoin | Page 22 | Bitcointa.lk
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They can see your pieces, even their locations, but... hiding intended next locations is a must normally
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla -56.0 ouch
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0317072 = 0.1585 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: good evening d00d
benkay: d00ds
kakobrekla: yea thats about maxint hit.
mircea_popescu: benkay please bear in mind that not everyone on the interwebs is a d00d.
asciilifeform wants cupric oxide foundry.
benkay: good evening, diodes
asciilifeform: ^ cupric oxide for noobs
benkay: HEY LISTEN IF I WANT TO USE A TRADITIONALLY GENDERED NOUN FOR A GROUP OF PEOPLE IMMA GON DO THAT MKAY
benkay: y'all
BingoBoingo: benkay: In that case can't you offer "Sup' Bitches"
asciilifeform: cuprous oxide, to be exact
benkay: ah, excusemebitch did you just say i can't offer things?
benkay: because lissenherebitch i'm pretty sure i can offer a good dickin
benkay: ThickAsThieves: my first big boy gf was a virgin too and blamed me for turning her into a nymphomaniac
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0315 = 0.1575 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
benkay: bitch is now whelping for someone else
mircea_popescu: this shit's lulzy. like esl angry miner forum
mircea_popescu: "totally agree. What dev will do for a sample, if chain will have some bug and he still not got profit to pay real developer for fix?"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03116666 = 0.187 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'Two researchers had made a diode with a very thin, heavily doped n-layer. When the diode was reverse-biased to the point of avalanche breakdown, a small fraction of the avalache electrons actually shot through the n-region and into a vacuum. They made this the e-beam source in a CRT and it worked pretty well. I am surprised that it has not, to my knowledge, made it out of the laboratory.'
BingoBoingo: "Finally, you'll need a source of high heat like an electric hot plate or a propane torch."
BingoBoingo: There have to be better sources of heat.
benkay: ThickAsThieves: he's mine.
benkay: his heart may be blackened with sin, but he's mine ;)
benkay: fluffypony: entrefartner
benkay: fluffypony: my fartner in this entreprederpship exercise
mike_c: panacea is back in the game! JD's worst month was -24%.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Did you see that I posted the ATC trading's first statement stripped of comments?
BingoBoingo: !up Diablo-D3
assbot: Voicing Diablo-D3 for 30 minutes.
benkay: hey Diablo-D3 tell me something about grains
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i see it now, yeah
benkay: Diablo-D3: or maybe brussels sprouts. are brussels sprouts bad for me?
Diablo-D3: benkay: grains are a scam perpetrated by the space aliens that run the FDA
Diablo-D3: srsly
benkay: !b2
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1JQRJY6/plain/)
benkay: !b 3
BingoBoingo: benkay: Wheat is the best thing in history, next to corn
Diablo-D3: brussels sprouts are fine though
benkay: fuck you kakobrekla
benkay: BingoBoingo: you lie
benkay: BingoBoingo: corn likker
BingoBoingo: Corn has the high protein content necessary for whiskey distillery
kakobrekla: benkay ?
kakobrekla: which part excites you
benkay: BingoBoingo: do please explain how protein is essential in distillation process
benkay: kakobrekla: the infernal space between !b and how many
BingoBoingo: benkay: It gets you all of the nice fusile alcohols, for a better hangover
benkay: fusile alcohols?
benkay: holy crap
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the bloomberg terminal? and it's tracking kraken?? nice.
BingoBoingo: benkay: You know things that are organic an -OH without being ETOH
mircea_popescu: i thought it's hysterically lulzy.
benkay: BingoBoingo: more lectures on topic of organic chemistry plz
mircea_popescu: i mean... let's be massively clueless, after resisting for years
benkay: mike_c: it's trakking kraken and coinbase
kakobrekla: ah that thing benkay , well you know, you can still use the long version !bash $n ;)
benkay: i loled hard hard hard
benkay: !bash $echo butts
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo must love sake.
BingoBoingo: benkay: So today's lesson. Codeine's active ingredient is actually morphine if you have a liver.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course, but warm.
benkay: no wait i'm still dumb about the fusile alcohols
BingoBoingo: benkay: So you know how there are alcohols that aren't proper ETOH?
benkay: no i did not because mechanical engineering in the us apparently doesn't care about ochem
BingoBoingo: benkay: I was a philosophy major.
mike_c: holy shit BingoBoingo, you tore it up in Feb.
asciilifeform: i actually went back to uni for ochem as an adult.
asciilifeform: believe or not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1020 @ 0.00012382 = 0.1263 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: And in March-April
mike_c: no wonder you got hired as manager
benkay: asciilifeform: i would too, were the school of hard knocks so much more to my taste.
benkay: *not so much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07189019 = 0.1438 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I've only had one Ochem course... In Highschool.
benkay: <JorgePasada> mircea_popescu: because what they're really saying is "I just want to be able to sell this thing for value without actually having a market to determine what that value is" << DO YOU HEAR THIS the20year ?
BingoBoingo: Got highered as a Pharmacy school TA because I knew how to proctor tests.
BingoBoingo: !up the20year
assbot: Voicing the20year for 30 minutes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.03181816 = 0.35 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: oh yah.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Honestly programming confounds me more than arranging carbon
benkay: anything, the20year ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c bingo did great but nao kako stole all his cookies
asciilifeform: i highly recommend against (american) uni for undergrad ochem. there, it is used as a 'weedout' test for pre-med kids
benkay: ^^
benkay: good luck learning anything but how to memorize the pretty pictures.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: weeded me out properly
asciilifeform: ends up being taught as a compendium of cookbook crap
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I never took American uni Ochem. Now... without any uni Ochem I sat on most of the PharmD curriculum. Secret is... TA while doing gradschool in an unrelated field
bitcoinpete: never did get the grignard reaction to fly
asciilifeform: (cookbook being entirely wrong term here - they studiously avoid teaching how to prepare anything useful in actuality)
benkay: ;;later tell JorgePasada <JorgePasada> That's why I like this place though. You know how hard it is to find people to have conversations like this with? << why the fuck do you think i dragged your ass in here?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: i invited the yubikey kids here for your amusement https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/461633158836789248
BingoBoingo: Still never learned how to make alcohol out of coal and water, though it includes the proper ingredients.
benkay: wrong direction on the entropy ladder
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: you just learned to trade like a dog
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Define Just
benkay: BingoBoingo: YOU TRADE LIKE A DOG
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: it's a term of endearment
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00097388 = 11.1996 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Yes, Like a Magestic Corgi that jumps mountains and has a bunch of Colocos as friends.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Still, just might require a definition.
BingoBoingo: "just"
benkay: <mike_c> hanbot's entire blog: Five posts, ZERO footnotes. << mike_c: hanbot also actually, you know, writes.
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: cup=half full
mike_c: benkay: yeah, other people (bitcoinpete) should take note.
bitcoinpete: mike_c: used to write sans footnote, kinda prefer this way
mike_c: easier to write perhaps, but not to read :)
benkay: LOGGED UP BITCHES
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Maybe there are two cups and the average of the two is "half full" yet the cups can grow to greater volumes.
benkay: oh wait hang on are you all not bitches?
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: not sure why they should talk to me. instead, they should talk to the poor schmucks who buy the closed turd. and apologize to them.
benkay: two cups one average
BingoBoingo: benkay: We are all someone's bitches
kakobrekla: mp sets the fashion, if i had a blog it would only be footnote but no note.
bitcoinpete: mike_c: think of it as a worthwhile skill to be acquired
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: lol
benkay: mike_c's talking shit and posting 1/(2 mos)
mike_c: what? i pump out at least one a month
benkay: and don't talk to me about quality nigga i don't buy that shit for half a second
mike_c: i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/118W1M7/plain/)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: You must use footnotes the worng way then
asciilifeform: 'the attack requires sophisticated tools to extract the encryption keys, making it practically impossible for most people.'
mike_c: plus my posts have pretty graphs and shit
benkay: yeah
benkay: quality or something
benkay: I AIN'T HAVIN IT
benkay: aight fags dinner party commenceth
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i could write faster but I'd have to use footnotes <<< ahahah
benkay: prep for which is all done without my lifting a damn finger
mircea_popescu: what are these footnotes, like car pedals ?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves http://www.therealaltcoin.org/ << how abouit link to bitcointa.lk instead ? // wish granted
benkay: so adieu sweet bitlords
mike_c: enjoy
mircea_popescu: stop discriminating. not all pleasures in life are female.
asciilifeform: like car pedals << one can buy pedals which emulate keystrokes. i've a set.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there must be a dirty joke re emulation and strokes in there somewhere
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm off to mourn kako's rape and pillage of mpif. nn!
asciilifeform: 'different stokes for different folks.' (me, explaining stoke's theorem to a noob)
asciilifeform: *stokes
mike_c: ;;calc 50 * 0.017
gribble: 0.85
benkay: ;;later tell princessnell basic btc bitches i loled
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00097501 = 4.3388 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Confession: I actually have more footnotes ready to push out than blog posts to tie them to.
mike_c: heheh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
BingoBoingo: Also might have a fairly big ish not MPIF related announcement tomorrow.
mike_c: hints?
BingoBoingo: Related to pending criminal (not bitcoin related charges)
ThickAsThieves: You are selling your virginity?
mike_c: ah. hope its good news..
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Nope, just have a court date pending or actualized, results released tomorrow.
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Evidence points towards good news.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0349999 = 0.105 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mike_c: So, honestly can you tell any pricepoints in particular I had orders standing at any size?
bitcoinpete: https://telegram.org <<encrypted messaging app. "safe from hacker attacks"
BingoBoingo: Also, any Firefox devs in this chan?
mike_c: BingoBoingo: i intend to analyze in the morning. i'm about to pass out. i will let you know if i pull out anything revealing.
BingoBoingo: (secret SMS is email)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Thanks
ThickAsThieves: BingoBoingo I saw you in the orderbook at times ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 78 @ 0.06474168 = 5.0499 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well the logs will reveal some named times.
BingoBoingo: Like the explicit past buy wall at 100 satoshis per
ThickAsThieves: i dont think ive ever sold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03111 = 0.1556 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.03400006 = 0.17 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.06474168 = 0.3237 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well where might you have spotted me that isn't publicaly present?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00453662 = 0.3176 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: well i was pretty sure the 400k ask was you
ThickAsThieves: i interpreted it as you forcing things
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well, that is in the statement
ThickAsThieves: yes, it confirmed my suspicion
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 5 @ 0.14 = 0.7 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10092 @ 0.00097232 = 9.8127 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 199 @ 0.00454652 = 0.9048 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Were you the buyer?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0311 = 0.4976 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.03396341 = 0.5434 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.06474168 = 1.0359 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: hmm i'm wondering if even answering is taking the conversation somewhere it shouldnt go
ThickAsThieves: rephrased, i see why you are opting for no commentary in your report
ThickAsThieves: and think maybe you should carry that to not discussing as much in here
ThickAsThieves: while this is a public place, it isn't necessarily fairly distributed to shareholders
ozbot: Bit4x.com? | Bitcointa.lk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00454466 = 0.9089 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10692 @ 0.00097554 = 10.4305 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: As far as public forums go, the interpretation is that this is as public as it gets. You can ask clarification about statements and how that interacts with other public sources of information. Like past orderbooks.
BingoBoingo: Some questions like what price would I have to buy back ATC for it to be a loss for the month, though I could only anser with links to interesting novelty dildos to fuck yourself with.
kakobrekla: yes that was me bb.
BingoBoingo: I the middle ground it gets iffy.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Beautiful. SOme of your best work.
ThickAsThieves: well if it were me, i wouldnt discuss trading behaviors in here
BingoBoingo: Well, past behavior is not future behavior.
ThickAsThieves: nor ask for info of others of there trades relating to yours
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