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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: damn you got some gems of entries in Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: thanks thestringpuller
thestringpuller: Bitcoin with it's fixed maximum supply and decreasing rate of new coin generation is going to continue moving against the dollar. Any plan for a business that touches both Dollars and Bitcoins needs to be prepared for the contingencies of both Million Dollar Bitcoins and for One Dollar Bitcoins.[1] If either contingency breaks your business model, you need to rethink your business model unless you want to be runn
thestringpuller: i love that
thestringpuller: that quote is gold
BingoBoingo: Lol, that's an older one even
thestringpuller: yea but as you can see I just re read the AirBnb one and commented on my recent experience
BingoBoingo: Ah, yeah
thestringpuller: It's quite perplexing. If this experience were ocurring with a Bitcoin business this instant...it would definitively be a scam...
thestringpuller: this is the exact reason fiat businesses will die, and I have learned that tonight
BingoBoingo: Oh, which business?
thestringpuller: I've been onl hold for 50 minutes
BingoBoingo: Worse than the cable company
BingoBoingo: I think one of the big factors crippling fiat businesses is easy access to leverage. Lets operations learn to be weak.
thestringpuller: Exactly!
thestringpuller: That's why Simple.com was so revolutionary to me.
thestringpuller: Damn BingoBoingo I need to treat you to a baseball game this summer.
BingoBoingo: This simple thing looks interesting.
BingoBoingo: The baseball game might have to happen sometime before october ends
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19200 @ 0.00094797 = 18.201 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07022645 = 0.1405 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Fuck yea. #bitcoin-assets baseball days
thestringpuller: holy shit that sounds fun
thestringpuller: seats near the field/dugout
thestringpuller: talk about bitcoin-assets shit while getting drunk
thestringpuller: watching the great american sport!
BingoBoingo: Or the bleachers, depending who is swinging hot.
BingoBoingo: And the stadium
thestringpuller: Damn. This is gonna be a good summer.
BingoBoingo: A kind of mini conference for those of us awaiting the gasenwagen as asciilifeform says.
thestringpuller: Baseball is a good excuse to gather I say. At least for us Americans lol
BingoBoingo: Oh, I'll be sleeping soon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00094813 = 24.6988 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00094878 = 1.0437 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07039389 = 1.1263 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell satoshijack cool
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: http://www.nameoftheyear.com/ apparently this is a thing
ozbot: Name of the Year
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325 = 0.195 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0425 = 0.1275 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9017 @ 0.00094765 = 8.545 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00021217 = 0.1061 BTC [-] {2}
cgcardona_: mircea_popescu: regarding https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/459941006210007040—first I'd seen it but I don't frequent the site. crazy stuff
cgcardona_: so ass backwards the way the US acts about online gambling
cgcardona_: like we're still on the mayflower
mircea_popescu: cgcardona_ funny cause i had just written an article about exactly this
ozbot: An inventory of a prison pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cgcardona_: wow i didn't realize you made the berkshire bet
cgcardona_: bitbet is kakobrekla's site yea?
cgcardona_: now part of MPex? (Still putting pieces together)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60386 @ 0.00095079 = 57.4144 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31416 @ 0.00095354 = 29.9564 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://mpex.co/?mpsic=S.BBET so start with the primary sources neh ?
ozbot: S.BBET last 357@0.00055999
cgcardona_: ah yes i see. how very cool. that site blew my mind the first time I saw it.
mircea_popescu: it;s not bad.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla regularly gets cookies for it.
cgcardona_: ;;rate kakobrekla 1 Creator of bitbet.us and creator of #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: i eat them.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kakobrekla has changed from 1 to 1.
cgcardona_: haha I bet you do :)
cgcardona_: ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 cookie eating bitlord
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 1.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8876 @ 0.00094722 = 8.4075 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0707 = 0.1414 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 803 @ 0.00094403 = 0.7581 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43921 @ 0.00094514 = 41.5115 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay` "I rapidly came to understand that the space compromised of people working on Bitcoin" you mean comprised ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony stretches
fluffypony: thestringpuller: just read your Airbnb thing, they sound truly retarded
mircea_popescu: between the "you gotta break your lease to use our site" and the "you can't talk to your customers as per our rules", the whole thing should be illegal.
fluffypony: I agree
mircea_popescu: that the SEC is not probing it simply speaks of how the SEC is more of an instrument of private interest than any sort of justice.
fluffypony: I'd hate to have random people I don't know and have never spoken to staying in my house whilst I'm not there
mircea_popescu: who the fuck heard of this, "build an alleged business on explicitly and directly requiring people to break the law, require them to not talk about it and then list on the nyse"
mircea_popescu: if ycombinator is allowed to do this, why aren't the crime families ?
fluffypony: thestringpuller: also I don't know if you know this, but BBVA (Spanish bank who bought Simple.com) are pro-Bitcoin, so maybe there will be some interesting integration sometime
mircea_popescu: fluffypony how about you sublet half a duplex to some schmuck
mircea_popescu: which results in 3829 people staying there over 3 years.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.06849876 = 4.7949 BTC [-] {15}
fluffypony: I'm pretty sure I'd need to get some sort of special license for that in parts of the world
fluffypony: especially in the US
fluffypony: aren't there hospitality licenses/requirements?
mircea_popescu: yes. including the parts of the world where airbnb domiciles.
mircea_popescu: somehow it's not been shutdown yet tho.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile charlie shrem is in jail etc.
fluffypony: landlords need to step up and start nailing tenants who use Airbnb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06801676 = 2.0405 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: no. the sec needs to step up and have the shit delisted,
mircea_popescu: and the ny da needs to step up and slap charges on everyone involved.
mircea_popescu: the founders, the angels, the board members, the vcs that signed sheets.
fluffypony: agreed
HeySteve: I had an idea to improve security of f2f trades: beforehand buyer signs a contract stating his receiving address. if the buyer gets the coins but doesn't pay (as per security cam), theft is on record
mircea_popescu: want a fiat stock exchange as clean as mpex, gotta put in as much work as mpex does.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve what security cam is this ?
HeySteve: wherever they might choose to meet that has Big Brother around
mircea_popescu: how do you get access to the recording ?
HeySteve: I've read an account of where it was done, I think LocalBitcoins got involved. was either a bank or coffee shop
mircea_popescu: yes well there's a difference between a bank and a coffee shop.
mircea_popescu: the difference'd be that while the bank cam can be used in court, random joe blow does not get a copy
mircea_popescu: wheras the converse is true of a coffee shop
HeySteve: ah well then it's just a matter of finding a bitcoin-friendly bank that loves helping the public :D
mircea_popescu: that's akin to the matter of finding a girl that menstruates pearls.
HeySteve: well, any recording where cash is clearly handed over will have some value as evidence, the contract being the evidence of bitcoin transferral
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay` "Quixotic damn mission. There are years of fraudulent insanity buried in that forum, and after two weeks of cataloging the madness had to take the project out back and shoot it in the head for fear I'd come down with whatever disease is infecting the brains of those who seek to throw their hard-won bitcoins at unknown entities across the internet. " << that then makes two for you eh ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up DonglordActual
assbot: Voicing DonglordActual for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve sure, if you find people willing to post videos on themselves on your blog, you may have something.
danielpbarron: the cam helps the scammer
HeySteve: I'm thinking in Bitcoin-trendy places like Kreuzberg that shops accepting BTC would provide this service
danielpbarron: the point of the contract is to prevent the scammer from pretending no deal was supposed to take place
danielpbarron: since the camera footage would show one guy type on his phone and the other leave with the money he entered with
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron i don't exactly follow ?
danielpbarron: or in the case I heard about: the headphones with which he entered
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15244 @ 0.00095186 = 14.5102 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 50.23038790 BTC
danielpbarron: there was a real case where a guy said he wanted to sell his headphones for BTC; they met in a place that had a camera; the footage showed one guy type on his phone, and the other guy left with his headphones
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so how was the scammer helped ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: requires JavaScript, it's for the hipsters :-P
danielpbarron: if the BTC guy tried to grab the headphones, it would look as if HE were the theif
mircea_popescu: i saw a - i was all omg wtf i got robbed overnight!
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh i see. yep, you got a solid point there.
fluffypony: the JS just ends up loading and replacing the contents of the div with the value from here: http://spagni.net/jdmpif/jdmpif.txt
danielpbarron: and this really happened; so anyway, HeySteve had the good idea to get the cash guy to sign a GPG contract specifying his receiving address, before the face-to-face meeting
HeySteve: I wonder if it'd be worth developing a service for this, to make GPG contracts easier for casuals
danielpbarron: that way, the BTC guy can prove that fraud has taken place if the other guy tries to walk away after the transaction is broadcast
fluffypony: localbitcoins could integrate a quick and easy mutual GPG-signed contract
HeySteve: nothing stops LocalBTC taking the idea though
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it could. verify that the contracts are signed.
fluffypony: HeySteve: the act of signing still requires a modicum of technical ability
fluffypony: although there are nice UIs nowadays
fluffypony: you'll still end up with people losing their privkeys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0046708 = 0.4671 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: yeh it's not gonna happen
mircea_popescu: HeySteve actually a site like that, WebContract or w/e, where you simply put up html forms for people to ul their contracts and you verify them
mircea_popescu: that may well end up a big thing
mircea_popescu: make it a social media site centered around contract making
fluffypony: yeah, doesn't have to be GPG necessarily
HeySteve: yeah, maybe some on-site videos with excitable cartoon animals would help with the GPG stuff
danielpbarron: in my experience, localbitcoin users do not have the patience to wait for 1 confirmation, let alone learn what GPG is
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so fuck them. users gotta be trained.
mircea_popescu: like any other dog.
danielpbarron: i agree
mircea_popescu: if it were up to the users, they wouldn't have the patience for the hambuger order either
danielpbarron: probably best not to even use that site
mircea_popescu: it's not.
HeySteve: the thing is, a LBTC sellers who got or are worried about being scammed in F2F would want it if it existed
HeySteve: could offer buyer a discount if they jump through the hoops
danielpbarron: gpg social media
danielpbarron: i like the sound of that
mircea_popescu: HeySteve cheaper than two guys with shotguns to back you up and a new pair of spatz every time some twennysomething spaz tries to be smart.
danielpbarron: is that something keybase is working towards?
danielpbarron: (i know they want your private key, but you can use their service without giving it to them)
fluffypony: I don't get keybase.io
fluffypony: what is it supposed to be?
mircea_popescu: you can verify sigs with the pubkey, you don;'t need the private
HeySteve: hell maybe I'll just blog this idea and see what happens
danielpbarron: fluffypony: it's kinda along these lines except without posting the contracts
fluffypony: so why do they need your privkey?
fluffypony: not need, want
danielpbarron: it lets you make a social media style profile in which you can link other profiles by posting GPG signed proof messages
ozbot: Search results for 'spagni'
fluffypony: there
fluffypony: keybase
danielpbarron: you can upload your priv key to them and use a password for future signings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4935 @ 0.00095186 = 4.6974 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: that's not the same at all
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation so what, fags were kulaks at some point. they ceased to be exactly because they started pushing that sort of thing.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: keybase has you tweet from your twitter account, a special message containing a hash of a GPG signed statement of association
fluffypony: ok so they can "verify" your Twitter/Github/whatever is really you
danielpbarron: which you could do yourself, but keybase is like a yellow pages of these associations
fluffypony: but that they can do with just the pubkey...?
danielpbarron: yeah they don't need the priv key
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: http://www.bitfin.com/ << all the people who aren't in Bitcoin finance but would like to be, so rather than join #bitcoin-assets prefer to pretend like they matter instead.
danielpbarron: it's all done in your browser but it's still not safe since you have to trust the script served up isn't malicious
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
danielpbarron: that's all only if you do it through the site, you can do the actual signing yourself without giving the site any private info
danielpbarron: that site is very pretty on my iPhone; this makes me distrust it
fluffypony: responsive layouts aren't untrustworthy
fluffypony: that's just CSS media queries
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves << that's a huge thing, documenting all the memes. milk, and first, best and greatest and whoa nelly, tons of them
danielpbarron: i'm half kidding
HeySteve: it's the iphone itself which is the real risk
HeySteve: those things are backdoored to hell
danielpbarron: yeh, not happy with it overall
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4515 @ 0.00094414 = 4.2628 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I love my iPhone. but then again, I primarily use it as a phone. I do a bit of browsing and play games and have a bunch of apps of various utility, but I don't use it for anything I would consider sensitive
fluffypony: the whole "don't eat where you poop" thing
danielpbarron: i don't even like mine for the non-sensitive things; it just sucks all-around
fluffypony: meh, I'm the wrong person for this debate, I'd still use a 3310 if it had more games than Snake
danielpbarron: is that the nokia brick? I used that thing until it wouldn't charge anymore
HeySteve: I'm still using a nokia brick :)
danielpbarron: i only got an iPhone because it's "free" if you're already on contract
danielpbarron: i kept using it even when the 3 key wouldn't work
thestringpuller: oh look people in other continents
fluffypony: Africa reprezent
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/5L8gDU5pZq cc ...
mircea_popescu: anyone want to make bets as to who shows up first ?
fluffypony: jerbrightcove hasn't tweeted since 2013
fluffypony: so not him
fluffypony: I'm guessing Karl Grayh
fluffypony: *Gray
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu I'm always surprised at how well educated you are on Hollywood.
thestringpuller: I guess I shouldn't be at this point.
mircea_popescu: i'm an educated young man, what.
thestringpuller: It's a great analogy you use between Bitcoin finance and Hollywood.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony my bet's on neville.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller kinda proud of it myself :p
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "Much like .nobody knows how to make movies. was generally true in Hollywood, .nobody knows how to make Bitcoin businesses. is generally true in Bitcoin." << I wish designers weren't as "uppity" these days. It's surprising that a designer straight out of school thinks they know how to "change the world" better than their predecessors who have been doing it for decades, yet these baby designers ha
ozbot: Twitter / kiwiiiduck: changed "analogy" to autocorrect ...
fluffypony: this dude's 10 year old sister got her first phone, some of these are priceless: http://imgur.com/a/uJ8Md
fluffypony: the pretty simile is my favourite
mircea_popescu: !up JoshG
assbot: Voicing JoshG for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6879 @ 0.00095264 = 6.5532 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
mircea_popescu: heh, just had a business idea. rent garages in first home neighbourhoods, buy crap for the people doing pond shops, abandoned storage container auctions, police confiscation auctions etc
mircea_popescu: hold perpetual garage sales at "discounted" prices.
mircea_popescu: a pepper mill that retails for $25 at Bed Bath & Beyond could be yours for 35 cents and moved on to a 28yo fuckwit that just bought a diamond ring and a mortgage for the low low price of $5.
mircea_popescu: perfect fambly business, your gf could keep a network of friendly garage owners to rent from, your other gf could spend all her time doing one garage a day for five days a week, you can handle the buying and logistics.
mircea_popescu: probably beats prostitution, especially if your two gfs are ugly.
jurov: wut?
mircea_popescu: jurov garage sales. you know ?
punkman: do you have those in .ro?
punkman: seems like a US thing to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2790 @ 0.00095354 = 2.6604 BTC [+]
jurov: ah that i get it. need coffee
Naphex: garage sales!
Naphex: morning
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 450 @ 0.0002272 = 0.1022 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6883 @ 0.00095354 = 6.5632 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: hahaha wow
thestringpuller: i really can't believe i came back from smoking and read that
jurov: here it works in exactly opposite manner
jurov: gypsies drive around and annoy everyone with recorded messages:
punkman: they do free garbage removal here, pick up old washing machines or whatever for scrap
jurov: Citizens! We buy old watches, pictures, scrap metal. Citizens, please make yourself heard!
thestringpuller: Citizens?
thestringpuller: curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1196 @ 0.00020965 = 0.2507 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.06933582 = 1.1094 BTC [+]
jurov: he spent several years there
jurov: !up Skirmant
assbot: Voicing Skirmant for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up akstunt600
assbot: Voicing akstunt600 for 30 minutes.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: $5? tell him's dreamin'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12456 @ 0.0009526 = 11.8656 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00094816 = 5.5467 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.0009498 = 12.4424 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: has anyone been following the Bytecoin/CryptoNote thing?
ozbot: [BCN] Uncovering CryptoNote technology and Bytecoin BCN FAQ
fluffypony: apparently it's been around since April 2012 (according to the genesis block)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30710 @ 0.00094648 = 29.0664 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: but Tor only
fluffypony: and everyone just woke up to its existence
fluffypony: "everyone" by some definition of everyone
HeySteve: hmm interesting
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12545 @ 0.0009425 = 11.8237 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: white paper
fluffypony: uses ring signatures
jurov: !up Vexual
assbot: Voicing Vexual for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17645 @ 0.00094193 = 16.6204 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: punkman they dun exist in .ro no
Vexual: hi mircea
jurov: !ip rithm
jurov: !up rithm
assbot: Voicing rithm for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> curious. how do you know so much about American culture mircea_popescu ? << i lived there, remember ? i live with us born chicks, too.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently, only you
mircea_popescu: o look at that, Vexual is back ?
mircea_popescu: how was rehab!
mircea_popescu: Q: What is CryptoNote technology?
mircea_popescu: A: "An open-source technology and concepts for the cryptocurrencies of the future" as stated on the website. Also, CN developers state it clearly that they are not a coin itself, but rather a technological concept that allows creation of new cryptocurrencies.
mircea_popescu: sometimes i wonder what people think words mean.
Vexual: :) okay. how was your party?
mircea_popescu: not bad! airbnb kept us 1 hour on hold
Vexual: conference
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9405 @ 0.00094688 = 8.9054 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony anyway, invite the rias guy over
fluffypony: rias?
fluffypony: oh the dude that did that thread
fluffypony: [12:59:30] Rias signed on at 08 April 2014 at 12:27:14 PM SAST and has been idle for 1 week, 7 hours, 22 minutes, 48 seconds
fluffypony: he just compiled the info
fluffypony: "This whole story is quite strange and is getting stranger and stranger with each new fact about this cryptonote and bytecoin-bcn. I've started this topic to summarize all information that we have today. I feel like the best solution is faq with proof-links."
Vexual: whats cryptonaot? ive got 2 months or reading to do
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can assbot invite rias plox
fluffypony: I message'd him
mircea_popescu: "We propose a new memory-bound algorithm for the proof-of-work pricing function. It relies on random access to a slow memory and emphasizes latency dependence. As opposed to scrypt every
mircea_popescu: new block (64 bytes in length) depends on all the previous blocks. As a result a hypothetical “memory-saver” should increase his calculation speed exponentially."
mircea_popescu: this seems unsound.
fluffypony: similar to scrypt-n, with that the n-factor is based on the previous block
mircea_popescu: yeah. this'll never work.
Vexual: how many sha 256 computers are there?
mircea_popescu: what;s a sha 256 computer ?
fluffypony: Vexual: you mean SHA-256 ASICs
Vexual: is stuff with names like dragon you get off aliexpress
Vexual: whats altcoin diff?
fluffypony: AliExpress is a nice way to overpay for something and spend 3 months waiting for it
mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently you weren't the only one looking at this, and apparently we don't think very much of it.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I just heard about it today
mircea_popescu: Vexual apparently it exploded after conf
fluffypony: so I don't know enough to form an opinion yet
Vexual: were you making it rain altcoin?
mircea_popescu: hum, did blockr.io take off altcoin ?!
mircea_popescu: a there it is. Vexual Difficulty 129,782.79 next 354,280.61
Vexual: thats a big jump
mircea_popescu: iirc it was dropping towards 50k in march
Vexual: that makes me feel good about unspent 3xx blox
mircea_popescu: !up belcher
assbot: Voicing belcher for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah it's quite unlike the typical scamcoin
mircea_popescu: its diff graph hasn't become monotonous yet.
mircea_popescu: 29571 block
ozbot: Iggy Azalea - Work (Explicit) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: !up Vexual
assbot: Voicing Vexual for 30 minutes.
Vexual: ty
mircea_popescu: Dogecoin 1.6 Download ~ MANDATORY Update
mircea_popescu: lol @ these idiots. mandatory eh ? no i mean MANDATORY
peterl: hi all
punkman: I bought a 1TH mining contract to get some ATC, but seems like the guy screwed me
punkman: paypal chargeback!
fluffypony: punkman: where'd you rent?
punkman: some random guy on ebay
mircea_popescu: wait, you paid, how'd he chargeback you
punkman: I will chargeback him
punkman: because it's been like a month
fluffypony: ah ok
mircea_popescu: did he at least entertain you periodically with stories ?
punkman: nah
cazalla: indians are good that way, their relatives are always in hospital
fluffypony: moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears
mircea_popescu: a cookieoff!
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what does she do btw ? homemaking ?
fluffypony: lol no, she'd rather die
fluffypony: she runs two of the business units in the group - salonsupplystore.co.za and sexybikinis.co.za
ozbot: The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It)
mircea_popescu: basically everything the mises circle releases paints them more like pretentious ignoramuses.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside for a second their complete inability TO FUCKING QUOTE.
fluffypony: what is the mises circle? investor group?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony nah, some academia derps who'd like to you know, matter.
mircea_popescu: roughly the equivalent of the vc circuit making "bitcoin finance" cons and "bitcoin foundations" and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: The Mises Circle was founded in January 2012 by Michael Goldstein, George McHugh, and Jose Niño, to provide a forum for scholarship in the Austrian economic tradition at the University of Texas at Austin.
mircea_popescu: basically a student newspaper.
pankkake: I fail to see what's wrong with the article
pankkake: though it's only obvious things
pankkake: obvious isn't exactly obvious for altcoiners
mircea_popescu: pankkake the notion that altcoins "will die", for instance.
mircea_popescu: it's not unlike to german heer derping about how tanks will make infantry obsolete.
mircea_popescu: that can't happen. a tank needs cover.
pankkake: they'll be increasingly less relevant, not more
mircea_popescu: their relevancy will wax and wane with government activity.
pankkake: what does that even mean?
mircea_popescu: the more govts derp, the more relevant they become. the less govts derp, the more they seem to fade.
mircea_popescu: anyway, basically that entire article is a poor rewrite of trilema material, by people who aren't quite smart enough or informed enough to be doing it.
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peterl: simple thermodynamics: altcoins exist, so some non-zero value must be in them.
fluffypony: pankkake: well what if a government outlaws Bitcoin but doesn't mention other cryptocurrencies? or they suddenly start locking people up because they can identify them, and then stuff like this Bytecoin thing with its ring signatures suddenly become appealing to people?
pankkake: what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks
fluffypony: ok so
pankkake: I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today
fluffypony: people are also stupid - I've had an argument with a friend in Cape Town who was considering accepting crypto at his store
fluffypony: physical store
fluffypony: and he goes "I'm going to accept Litecoin because it confirms faster, I don't want to keep customers waiting for Bitcoin confirmations"
pankkake: please…
fluffypony: exactly
mircea_popescu: <pankkake> what's obviously discussed here is altcoins that are simple bitcoin forks << no, i was discussing in general.
mircea_popescu: ltc is not a simple fork
mircea_popescu: if people want do discuss "simple forks of bitcoin" they're well advised to make their title read "simple forks of bitcoin"
fluffypony: lol - so apparently now everyone's a government plant - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=529946.980
fluffypony: "Danny = British gubmint. Ukyo = US gubmint. Mark = French gubmint."
fluffypony: "Mircea Popescu = Romanian gubmint"
mircea_popescu: romania has a gubmint ?!
fluffypony: apparently
fluffypony: and you're their plant
fluffypony: to manipulatez the cryptoz
fluffypony: clearly I'm the South African gubmint plant
mircea_popescu: hey, i guess romania wins then.
mircea_popescu: Even beyond these political and economic incentives, there is a process of cultural dekulakization: look no further than the young poor Whites who now call each other “nigga”.
mircea_popescu: i do confess this always strikes me as quite amusing.
mircea_popescu: i figure someone somewhere is definitely rubbing one off to the sound of white chattel going "ma nigga!"
fluffypony: I can see Justin Timberlake doing that
mircea_popescu: did pankkake ragequit !?
mircea_popescu: but...why
mircea_popescu: !up equex
assbot: Voicing equex for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: "[13:45:19] <+pankkake> I'm not sure why I even try, you just decided to be dumb today"
fluffypony: that's why
mircea_popescu: dude that wasn't so much of a try.
kakobrekla: such hate.
mircea_popescu: well if anyone wants to pick it up...
fluffypony: ya know, maybe altcoins will eventually be like those in-store reward credits you get
fluffypony: more of a branding thing than anything else, with the advantage that they can be re-sold more easily than store credit
mircea_popescu: definitely will be some like that.
fluffypony: what are your thoughts on altcoins, mircea_popescu?
thestringpuller: pls deposit 1000 trilema credits for answer
fluffypony: thestringpuller: Credits: 49985.
fluffypony: I have enough to cover it
mircea_popescu: wasn't i defending litecoin earlier on the grounds that it's good to have ?
mircea_popescu: i don't like obvious scams, a la doge / aurora / keisercoin / what have you
mircea_popescu: otherwise altcoins are a strategic imperative.
peterl: now that TAT is out of MPIF, who is going to be the spread manager?
HeySteve: bobby lee has been proposed for "election" to bitcoin foundation board
peterl: who's bobby lee?
HeySteve: god they're still going on about redlisting
HeySteve: head of BTC China
fluffypony: peterl: from BTC-China
mircea_popescu: peterl jurov, was announced yest
mircea_popescu: wasn't btc banned in china ?
peterl: several times
mircea_popescu: it's beyond me what the chinese are doing buying this crap
mircea_popescu: even if it is pretty cheap.
bounce: somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch
mircea_popescu: afaik bobby lee is a comedian, but anyway.
bounce: well, there's the government, and there's getting things done. the chinese appear to be quite used to the former getting in the way of the latter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18272 @ 0.00094668 = 17.2977 BTC [+]
HeySteve: on the plus side it's make things more international, the foundation being very US-centric is a common criticism
HeySteve: *it'd
mircea_popescu: bounce i put an order in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00094935 = 14.7624 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0321 = 0.2568 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: morning lolz
ozbot: Starting a new FPGA mining farm/contract Cognitive Resurrected on[Havelock]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00094668 = 9.1355 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0692 = 0.346 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8255 @ 0.00094668 = 7.8148 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0326 = 0.2282 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00095057 = 7.2243 BTC [+] {2}
HeySteve: “Bitcoin protocol is like an app store and Bitcoin is an app. Right now developers like us are pioneering new financial tools and utilities that are going to be added to the 'app store' – financial services like escrow and contracts.”
HeySteve: wow plz gief 1st escrow service ever
HeySteve: dunno if anyone heard of these comtracks either?
ozbot: Newnote Financial: pioneering crypto-currency transactions as online currencies set to change the fa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18388 @ 0.00095082 = 17.4837 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
fluffypony: kakobrekla: pffft, financials, who needs them!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.04230001 = 0.2115 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: HeySteve: "6 or 7 terahashes" - so like two ASICs?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.0742218 = 0.8164 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0326 = 0.163 BTC [+]
fluffypony: why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that?
kakobrekla: i dunno if you have been following the thread, but so far he spent more time typing out "im sorry theres no financial will do them asap" than it would took to actually make them
fluffypony: kakobrekla: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 11 @ 0.042 = 0.462 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0325995 = 0.1956 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: bounce ask and ye shall receive :
ozbot: Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
HeySteve: nice, now we need the t-shirt
mircea_popescu: HeySteve no way, moar innovative first ever etc ?
kakobrekla: t shirt should say "the first, the biggest, the best." nubbins` go!
HeySteve: I think I'm just noticing too many Bitcoin people talk like Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley. CryptoAIDS, etc.
kakobrekla: ;;google gavin belson
gribble: Gavin Belson: Bio l Silicon Valley l HBO - HBO.com: <http://www.hbo.com/silicon-valley/cast-and-crew/matt-ross/bio/gavin-belson.html>; 'Silicon Valley' review: Definitely a start-up to watch | NJ.com: <http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2014/04/silicon_valley_review_hbo_thomas_middleditch_mike_judge.html>; Mike Judge's Uncanny Silicon Valley | TechCrunch: (1 more message)
kakobrekla: what is this even
HeySteve: it's a TV show about a startup in silicon valley
HeySteve: it's not very funny but has its moments. reddit was shouting to the moon because bitcoin was mentioned in last episode
fluffypony: so is the 468x60
kakobrekla: that banner is hurting eyes
HeySteve: <+fluffypony> why do they need “six 10 tonne AC units" for that? <-another syngeristic enterprise they're incorporating to save children from cancer is growing pot for SR 2.0 under lights in the basement. just my guess
fluffypony: smart
fluffypony: drukz+bitcoinz all in one investment "vehicle"
HeySteve: well mind you they're in canada
fluffypony: CannaBit 2.0
HeySteve: some places that's legal there, so who knows
kakobrekla: take t his http://i.imgur.com/0WZIZv8.png and change "Platinum" to "Anti" or something
mircea_popescu: and now, for the actual article i was writing : http://trilema.com/2014/gloria/
mircea_popescu: you gotta see this movie.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony looking into ty
kakobrekla: that i would put on #b-a.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
HeySteve: "Platiscam"
mircea_popescu: -468&#215;60.png
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.503 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: fluffypony pls to check nao ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00020918 = 0.2092 BTC [-]
fluffypony: she's alive!
mircea_popescu: which is your blog again ?
fluffypony: blog.spagni.net
mircea_popescu: i think it's still broked
fluffypony: works
fluffypony: works as well
moiety: aftermewn :D
fluffypony: moiety of the cookie factory!
moiety: <fluffypony> moiety: wife's baking cookies after I showed her your bears << win! how did they go? what kind did she make and has she ever tried shortbread? also can i just say whats wrong with homemaking? D: i don't feel like this would be bad if I were producing things around the house/garden and i could try and make things online.
moiety: o there you are
moiety: lol
fluffypony: moiety: she made choc chip cookies
fluffypony: I ate one before it cooled, so it was crumbly
fluffypony: but delicious
jurov: remind me to the banner my ex-boss has put on the building
ozbot: People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: !up SatoshiJack
assbot: Voicing SatoshiJack for 30 minutes.
jurov: "This project was not funded by Europen Union"
moiety: <mircea_popescu> [...]The Coming Demise of the Altcoins (And What You Can Do to Hasten It) << aw fuck, don't make me go into magic gathering cards now, i just made this thing work.
mircea_popescu: jurov lol
mircea_popescu: moiety you made what work!
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: cool tks
moiety: fluffypony: well most baked things are better just out of the oven, i have another pic! one sec
mircea_popescu: if pankkake isn't too pissed off maybe he also adds you to the assimilation
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I have an article coming up you can add also
moiety: mircea_popescu: well apart from the derpage, the doge site is ticking over (sorry for the expletive :P)
mircea_popescu: HeySteve link it
HeySteve: mentions #bitcoin-assets and has some quotes here about that f2f thing
moiety: Brownies!!! Warm right after bakerage! http://i.imgur.com/HHRZSSR.jpg
HeySteve: I will, just waiting on publishing queue
mircea_popescu: HeySteve the list is you know, of bitcoin/personal blogs maintained by the locals
SatoshiJack: We have made some good progress over the week -- we are now up with atc -- and doing manual processing for withdraws for now.
mircea_popescu: moiety you got any atc /
moiety: no i just passed out the website link a lot when people were looking for something
moiety: i dont have any alts at all for personal use
moiety: for why?
mircea_popescu: for i have a deal for you! you go gamble on that site, if you win we split the gains.
mircea_popescu: SatoshiJack mind crediting her 10k atc ? i'll reimburse you when either pankkake or BingoBoingo get online.
moiety: oh its atc? i thought it was alts in general
HeySteve: mircea_popescu ok it's not my personal blog, there's other people there too
HeySteve: but it's always about bitcoin stuff
SatoshiJack: no prob... there is free play as well --- give me an atc addy and I'll loan anyone 5K to play right now :)
moiety: im hideously unlucky, i'm not risking losing anything for you!
mircea_popescu: moiety hit it baby.
SatoshiJack: loan = give in this place
mircea_popescu: fluffypony add it as a comment ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: will do, just making a couple of other dimensions
jurov: SatoshiJack: 1HgZrzrURJkGCQGeY23NzXGRRALdT9qfeX
moiety: who wrote this thing?
moiety: Dogecoin is the highest form of satire. << lolol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.0791 = 0.3955 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: what site is this we are talking about re atc anyways
mircea_popescu: satoshijack.com
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino.
mircea_popescu: if you're still maintaining that thread or w/e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00095107 = 15.0745 BTC [+]
HeySteve: do you guys think it's useful to have a special wallet that automatically divides payments up into apportioned shares to a bunch of wallets it sends on to?
mircea_popescu: useful for what ?
HeySteve: I don't know, maybe donations or payments depending how the co. is set up
mircea_popescu: well if you don't know what for, it can't possibly be useful
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in the us, Engineer = 1900 Can build a bridge ; 1960 Can assemble computer from parts ; 1995 Knows how to compile kernel ; 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery
moiety: urgh QTs do not like me... ever
HeySteve: ok let's say people have a pre-existing arrangement to divide all BTC income. instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it, it goes to this service (which hopefully we don't need to trust)
fluffypony: you missed a 2000 Learns to make animated GIFs for his Geocities homepage
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmJQEVMCIAAKe8h.png << apparently people break up in spring.
mircea_popescu: hence "spring break"
fluffypony: lol - will.je.suis
Azelphur: !up CheckDavid
assbot: Voicing CheckDavid for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: HeySteve: multi-sig is the solution to that problem
Apocalyptic: how is it the solution ?
fluffypony: Apocalyptic: if it's being distributed among 5 people then make it a 5 of 5 wallet
fluffypony: or 4 of 5 if you're worried someone might die
Apocalyptic: i think this is not the model he wants to achieve
mircea_popescu: i can;t imagine a situation where the splitting of the coin is the point of failure.
Apocalyptic: without additionnal details we can only speculate, but it seems to me he wants to divide it so that each party can use their coins
Apocalyptic: irrespective of what the other do (or rather do not) sign
jurov: HeySteve: mining pools do it since forever, no?
Apocalyptic: " instead of the income going to one person who must be trusted to then distribute it,"
Apocalyptic: except p2pool, the pool operator is trusted jurov afaik
HeySteve: jurov do you know how they do it? I'm guessing it's a bit of clever code but not necessarily something the regular user could use
HeySteve: I will know more when the guy publishes it
jurov: it depends what is the income from
HeySteve: don't have much more detail at this point
HeySteve: if the service is trustworthy, it could lower busywork for the treasurer of projects for eg.
CheckDavid: How does one become trusted by assbot ?
CheckDavid: Like. Directly?
CheckDavid: Is it controlled by the creator?
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid there's no clear process as of yet. why ?
CheckDavid: Pure curiosity
fluffypony: you can !up yourself if you're in assbot's L2 trust
CheckDavid: I know
moiety: lol "spring clean" breakups. probably bitter chicks that got nothing on valentines day.
jurov: he asks how to get into direct trust with assbot
fluffypony: CheckDavid: ah ok sorry, thought that's what you were alluding to
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid prolly there's going to be a panel o nthe next conference where we sit down and see if anyone needs to be added/removed.
CheckDavid: I see.
mircea_popescu: moiety nothing like no nookie or like no cookie ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.032599 = 0.326 BTC [-]
moiety: lol probably for some. the christmas one is true, my ex would disappear for weeks over christmas and birthdays so he didnt have to get me anything
kakobrekla: basically it works on bribes atm.
mircea_popescu: moiety wow.
mircea_popescu: omg kakobrekla selling dignities
kakobrekla: church said is ok.
mircea_popescu: you know that means we eat you right ?
kakobrekla: you know im not going to the next conf right ?
mircea_popescu: aw come on!
mircea_popescu: eleventy
asciilifeform: kakobrekla needs amphibious car
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what if you die before you see the sexy midgets of patagonia ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 1900 Can build a bridge... 2014 Makes button blink w jQuery << lolll!
CheckDavid: So if someone has l2 trust relative to assbot
CheckDavid: And adds someone to their trust list
CheckDavid: That someone is l3 ?
mircea_popescu: so i think i've reached a new low. i'm starving but too lazy to either make anything or order someone to make something or order a car to go to eat out or any other alternative.
mircea_popescu: i guess i lose weight.
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid yes
peterl: CheckDavid: yes, but only up to l2 can voice themself
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu Gödelian diet
jurov: inb4 mircea_popescu orders soylent
fluffypony: I like NotLambChop
CheckDavid: So only those who have l1 can afford l2 trust to someone
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is it ? srsly ? jurov nah, i could have boobmilk but meh. too sweet.
peterl: mircea_popescu: it is times like these you should have raw-edible foods on hand
mircea_popescu: too lazy to fucking chew
moiety: mircea_popescu: do we have to get you a usb toaster?
mircea_popescu: i have almonds walnuts hazels bananas oranges apples and etfc.
jurov: moiety how'd that help with chewing?
moiety: i just read that bit
moiety: usb blender?
mircea_popescu: i also have various cakes, and milk
mircea_popescu: i can't be bothered to drink milk. i think maybe the issue is, i've been overfeeding myself
peterl: you need some IV nutrients?
mircea_popescu: i'll just ride it out, see what happens.
moiety: i get like that when ive been grazing too much. don't get up the want for an actual meal
mircea_popescu: wait, you're an actual cow ?!
moiety: moooo :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: over here we have these special foods for people too lazy to eat (or, nominally, athletes) - little bars made of a substance resembling cat food
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have a stack of hand made pralines, those count ?
asciilifeform: nah pralines are tasty
fluffypony: over hear when I'm too lazy to eat I pour myself a beer
fluffypony: it's like a loaf of bread
fluffypony: but without chewing
moiety: dude my eyes D;
peterl: only if it is good beer
mircea_popescu: moiety what, she's got great teats.
moiety: guiness is like a meal. i can't handle it
moiety: she has udders mircea_popescu
fluffypony: moiety: that's what makes it so perfect :)
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla needs amphibious car <- is this some weird rehash of golf cart joke ?
moiety: fluffypony: half a pint and i feel like i have drunk bricks
mircea_popescu: Age: 23, Height: 5ft 5in (165 cm), Weight: 317 lbs.
mircea_popescu: this must be a misprint
moiety: you get a funny moustache though :{D
fluffypony: moiety: as long as you don't shit bricks it's fine
kakobrekla: ;;google midgets of patagonia
gribble: Patagonia Rock Climbing Ambassador Kate Rutherford: <http://www.patagonia.com/us/ambassadors/rock-climbing/kate-rutherford/73355>; Translation of midget in German - Vocabulix: <http://www.vocabulix.com/translation/german/midget.html>; Patagonia Snow: Built for the Deepest Days - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5iHSOmAzIM>
moiety: no but makes me look a bit pregnant which doesn't go down so well in a drinking situation fluffypony XD
asciilifeform: moiety should go to next meetup, pet colocolos
kakobrekla: those dont seem to famous mircea_popescu .
asciilifeform: then convince mp to go kazahstan next year - pet manul
moiety: totally tastes heavy too .. just urgh. craft ipa's ftw!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the... moderately famous midgets of patagonia ?
moiety: re conf : i was so jealous of your pics! looked fun D;
kakobrekla: asciilifeform id take the nuke sub ride if you come around making one.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you ever did a black woman ? how about a creole woman ? how about etc.
mircea_popescu: gotta live to shit on each continent, i say.
mircea_popescu: i did europe, africa and asia so far... north and i guess central america.
moiety version - live to pet a native cat on each continent*
kakobrekla: i dunno, the next continent i would hope would be on another planet
kakobrekla: i visit*
moiety: kakobrekla: have you applied to mars one?
kakobrekla: put it together.
asciilifeform: hard to pet native cat in... australia
kakobrekla: moiety lets have the waters tested first.
mircea_popescu: ;;google australia native kitten
gribble: Feral cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feral_cat>; The Great Australian Cat Dilemma - Messybeast: <http://messybeast.com/ausdilemma.htm>; Cats and Wildlife - Good Cat SA: <http://goodcatsa.com/pages/cats-and-wildlife>
moiety: i'd take a domestic that's lived all its life there asciilifeform
jurov: antarctica?
moiety: now wait .. i think there is something there jurov
jurov: but i guess moiety'll gladly accept a penguin instead
moiety: i may be thinking of a fox but hang on
moiety: and yes, entirely true jurov
asciilifeform: ;;google true penguin
gribble: Nine Insane (But True) Penguin Facts | Animal-Free Entertainment ...: <http://www.peta.org/living/entertainment/penguin-facts/>; Pierre the Penguin: A True Story: Jean Marzollo, Laura Regan ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Pierre-Penguin-A-True-Story/dp/1585364851>; Explorer returns to emperor penguin colony in search of a true count: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: ;;google true penguin extinct
gribble: True Penguins Are All Extinct - KnowledgeNuts: <http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/03/09/true-penguins-are-all-extinct/>; Pikas, Polar Bears, Penguins Go Extinct | Real Science: <http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2012/09/27/pikas-polar-bears-penguins-go-extinct/>; Are penguins extinct - Wiki Answers: <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_penguins_extinct>
kakobrekla: yeah well 99% or so of all species ever existed are gone
moiety: yeahhh imma have to make do with a small fox in antarctica the cats that have been there were only visiting http://www.purr-n-fur.org.uk/famous/antarctic.html
kakobrekla: is he gonna bill him for wrong parking or what
ozbot: Sleepy walrus on a Russian submarine - Us Vs Th3m
asciilifeform: 'comrade walrus is ready for Captain’s table'
asciilifeform: sub's gonna need wheels, so we can pick up mp
mircea_popescu: fuck you, i'm a dragon.
asciilifeform: lol, then we've got our ride.
kakobrekla: i thought the lions always wins
mircea_popescu: a manticore is kinda like a lion-dragon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18496 @ 0.00094668 = 17.5098 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: what's an old uboat cost, anyway.
mircea_popescu: ;;google alibaba old uboat
gribble: Poznań - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pozna%C5%84>; Popular U Boat Xxi | Aliexpress: <http://www.aliexpress.com/popular/u-boat-xxi.html>; Used Kayak, Used Kayak Products, Used Kayak ... - Alibaba.com: <http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/used-kayak.html>
asciilifeform: fund with miners (seawater cooling)
mircea_popescu: diesel elec is expensive.
asciilifeform wonders if there ever lived a boy who didn't want uboat
asciilifeform: well, post-1920
jurov wonders abut range on batteries
fluffypony: I remember making a TNG Enterprise paper model
fluffypony: was so messy
asciilifeform: incidentally, interesting historical figure, largely unknown in english world - captain marinesko.
peterl: use nuclear powered sumarine to power miners?
asciilifeform: peterl: i suggested this once. free electric, cooling.
asciilifeform: jurov: about same cost as a three-story office in palo alto.
jurov: or on cyprus lol...maybe danny bought one
moiety: <mircea_popescu> fuck you, i'm a dragon. << lol please bash this
kakobrekla: moiety , time to learn how to bash
moiety: i did before! i wasnt accepted D;
kakobrekla: blame it on the mods
Apocalyptic: he means blame it on kako
jurov: there are other mods
jurov hides
kakobrekla: kakobrekla ircing lcc is no loger liable for any past or present action or involved in the moderation of this project in any way. it is fully in withing the rigts of kakobrekla ircing lcc to blame it on the mods.
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Apocalyptic: <jurov> there are other mods // I know
moiety: ok im pending
moiety: damn, the way you did it is a bit easier
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is he that romanian dude that sunk a german ship ?
bounce: ukrainian with a romanian sailor for a dad
ozbot: How China Sinks Bitcoin - South Park Style - Imgur
mircea_popescu: bounce romanian with an ukrainian mother ?
bounce: ``His father had fled to Russia after beating an officer'' -- such karma
bounce: born there, so, depends on the various laws involved
mircea_popescu: odessa is this russian town the romanians kept invading.
fluffypony: and also a place in Texas
bounce: filthy texan name stealers
fluffypony: I only know that from watching Heroes
mircea_popescu: (the russians got it from the ottomans, and before that i dont recall, prolly tatars)
mircea_popescu: before that greek, of course.
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves btw, atc nao has a casino. /// i sullied my boots and updated the forum
ozbot: Alexander Marinesko - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
ThickAsThieves: however http://therealaltcoin.org/ seems to be down for some ungodly reason
ozbot: We will nationalise oceans - EFF - Politics | IOL News | IOL.co.za
ThickAsThieves: the whole website is an html file, so this should be interesting...
mircea_popescu: the electronic frontier foundation ?!
jurov: ThickAsThieves: how much did you pay for hosting?
bounce: "economic freedom fighters", proposing to "mine" the oceans and free them from fish!
HeySteve: our intellectual aristocracy in full roar
ThickAsThieves: jurov i dunno, i think it's a namecheap package
mircea_popescu: “If we nationalise it, then the people on the ground will benefit, not capitalists. These big companies come to Cape Town and they fish as much as they want and then when a normal or poor person goes to do the same, they are given a quota.
mircea_popescu: how true is that ?
bounce: so true, totally. because, capitalists are like, companies and shit.
mircea_popescu: “They take a few thousand people, then they eat on our behalf, then they are telling us we are OK.”
mircea_popescu: bounce well if it's true then the quotas have to go.
bounce: I'm reminded of that "computers are racist" thing
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: all of their claims are gross exaggerations or outrightly false, but that's politics for you
bounce: those quota are there so the next generation will still be able to fish. if they don't work, make'em work, not speed up the fish' extinction a bit.
fluffypony: thankfully they don't have a phenomenally big following, mostly disgruntled ex-ANC Youth League guys
bounce: so I'd say that the problem looks like corruption and that's got to go. but if you can't even name the problem accurately, then you're spouting nonsense.
mircea_popescu: bounce just take the quotas away, permit fishing only for people.
mircea_popescu: solves the problem, cause you can't fucking extinguish fisheries with a line
mircea_popescu: but you can feed yourself.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, disallowing corporations from owning certain classes of goods is the way to go. currently persons may not own guns, various substances, etc.
mircea_popescu: this is silly. it should work the other way around : no corporation may own real estate or any foodstuffs
mircea_popescu: suddenly you don't need zoning laws anymore.
moiety: ThickAsThieves: do i have to make my own config file for atc? im not an alt person at all
bounce: it'd be a neat idea if it worked. but now we have a million fishermen fishing for delivery to bigger companies. oversight goes down, quality of fish goes down, loss goes up, total fishing goes up
ThickAsThieves: ok site works now
ThickAsThieves: dunno what was up
ThickAsThieves: i just logged in
mircea_popescu: bounce there's no corp that may take delivery of fish.
ThickAsThieves: moiety you'll probably wanna use a pool
ThickAsThieves: there are two i know of
moiety: i just want to qt to sync
bounce: "corporation" also includes the lone fisherman incorporating his boat for tax and financing reasons. you'd also have to amend tax codes and whatnot.
ThickAsThieves: oh you need a node then
ThickAsThieves: we have a channel #altcoin
mircea_popescu: bounce sure. no tax on either these classes.
ThickAsThieves: and pankakke is better at support than me, i'll look at my config though
ThickAsThieves: Nodes: 188.165.216.59, 125.120.196.224, 68.35.72.33, 162.243.123.118
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moiety: ty!
bounce: interesting though experiment, but it has rather far-reaching implications. no corp can take delivery of fish? that's no fish exports, no fish in the supermarkets, no fish in restaurants, and so on.
mircea_popescu: bounce unless it's a person run restaurant.
bounce: so now the cook and the maitre'd are no longer working for the same boss
mircea_popescu: anyway, from what i understand, the problem there specifically is that people are stupid, and western style corps are pwning them
mircea_popescu: restricting access to essentials would allow a softer transition.
mircea_popescu: ie, they don't have or want or could support a proper restaurant
bounce: but this is cape town, where western style business has been around for how long?
mircea_popescu: they just try to get enough food on the table.
mircea_popescu: you mean around among whites ?
mircea_popescu: afaik (and i have no clue, so don't be shy in disabusing me of false notions) it never happened among black people.
bounce: this is something for fluffypony to eludiate, I think. whites have been out and about there for a while, true enough.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the general point im proceeding from is that their problem is corporatism, and how it outcompetes their own dumb heads. the solution of pushing things further up the chain, through nationalisation (giving it to the state, the largest corp of them all) is exactly wrong
mircea_popescu: should go the other way
fluffypony reads up
bounce: that I'll agree with. but that's politics, and we already more or less established that the politics of there are a bit fscked up
fluffypony: tbh there is a MASSIVE coloured fishing community in Cape Town
fluffypony: they go out early from Kalk Bay Harbour on little tug boats
mircea_popescu: fluffypony but how much of the caught fish is caught by their little tug boats, as a % ?
mircea_popescu: more than say about 15% ?
fluffypony: and you can go to the harbour in the morning where their wives sell the fish the husbands caught
decimation: re: corps owning guns :: in the US there is a well-known loophole around the background check laws - if the "owners" are both officers of a "corporation", no transfer papers are needed, and the corp owns the gun
fluffypony: there are a number of fishing communities like that
decimation: Therefore in the US corporations are priviledged to share guns as they see fit, people are not
bounce: so assign the gun to an llc and pass that around instead?
mircea_popescu: decimation exactly my point.
mircea_popescu: bounce most rich people with a large gun stash and tax attorney have a gun llc
fluffypony: sorry internet died
fluffypony: well they fish a lot less than the corporates, for sure, but in the many times I went to the harbour to buy fish I never had any of them complain to me about restrictions or limits
decimation: or a trust
ThickAsThieves: SatoshiJack.com Casino link added to therealaltcoin.org, thread updated as well!
mircea_popescu: decimation yeah that gets into various local details. same principle tho.
bounce: "rent a gun", where you rent (officership in) "gun #n llc" and get the gun as a perquisite
mircea_popescu: that doesn't work afaik
decimation: in fact, perfectly reasonable things like suppressors and silencers MUST be shared this way, because non-licensed people cannot trade them at all
decimation: so, you and your son want to plink with .22 but don't want to blow out ears: must form gun corp
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so whyd they be complaining to you, or what'd that do.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you become friends with them
fluffypony: you deal with the same people, haggle over price, talk about the best way to cook the fish
fluffypony: they seem reasonably content
mircea_popescu: i get the concept
bounce: might ask them what they think about this "eff" bunch and their position
fluffypony: the root of the problem here isn't corporations per se. if you go back to the 60s and 70s a lot of blacks were given "Bantu Education", which was the equivalent of like a US Grade 5 or 6
mircea_popescu: but still " I never had any of them complain" is a weak counter
fluffypony: like you get taught reading, writing, a bit of geography and history, and enough maths to add stuff up
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well that's what i said. they get outcompeted. cause stupid.
bounce: it still smells like cheap populism to me, but there could be a bigger point buried under the poor rhetoric
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it goes further though
fluffypony: because the government's "solution" post-1994 to the white management class
fluffypony: was to enforce BEE rules
mircea_popescu: no idea what bee is
fluffypony: Black Economic Empowerment
fluffypony: affirmative action
mircea_popescu: you mean that nut that took over rhodesia ?
fluffypony: so companies hired and promoted black management who were NOT equipped to managed, who were NOT educated
bounce: how's the schooling situation now then?
fluffypony: for instance, in the late 90s the father of a guy I was in school with had a roofing and tiling business
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah. nobody seriously considers the shit they did "post colonialism" makes any sense.
fluffypony: government threatened to drop his contracts because he wasn't BEE compliant
fluffypony: he took his gardener on as a business partner
fluffypony: and gave him 51% of the company to sign some documents
fluffypony: gardener gets a nice salary
fluffypony: but fast forward a few years and the gardener realises he has a controlling interest
fluffypony: and wants to "manage" and get more money
fluffypony: which leads to the company imploding, obviously
decimation: what's the difference between these bee rules and the local mafia demanding payment to not ruin your business?
mircea_popescu: this is so ridiculous. the same principle displayed at work in disgrace, the malkovich film
fluffypony: decimation: nothing - which is why they've been heavily criticised over the years as creating a "reverse Apartheid"
fluffypony: which is what it's done
mircea_popescu: decimation that the mafia works in a white majority, trying to make ends meet for a legitimately opressed minority
fluffypony: black fat cats sitting at the top of the food chain through no effort or hard work or brilliance
decimation: well, because all the white liberals worldwide thought that if you just gave blacks the whip hand everything would work out
mircea_popescu: whereas the bee stuff works in a black majority, trying to redistribute the revenue of the whites more towards the majority
decimation: instead of creating apocolypse now
fluffypony: and the thing is, BEE doesn't empower the younger blacks who have had a proper education and gone to university and are willing and able to work hard
fluffypony: it just creates a sense of entitlement among the lazy
decimation: yeah the blacks willing to make something themselves are probably the most screwed
mircea_popescu: basically it tries for a saudi arabia
decimation: just like in the US
mircea_popescu: except instead of oil... it's suckers.
fluffypony: also, because of BEE there were a TON of educated white guys from the late 90s till like 2010 who left South Africa because they couldn't get a job
mircea_popescu: the model is unsurprisingly pushed by the us, seeing how sa was their only ally for a long time.
fluffypony: I'm talking like doctors and programmers and lawyers and chartered accountants and stuff
decimation: absolutely. SA is now living the American dream
fluffypony: so then you have a brain-drain situation
fluffypony: where they go "oh shit we have too few doctors"
decimation: just like Rhodesia, Congo, etc
decimation: Liberia was the old American dream
fluffypony: and they solve that by handing out education grants and pushing the wrong candidates through a medical degree
mircea_popescu: fluffypony as you describe it, the only business i'd consider running in south africa would be something like kidnapping young women to be transported for sex work or somesuch.
mircea_popescu: basically... they've got africa back to 1700.
fluffypony: so government healthcare just gets progressively worse
decimation: they would probably go willingly if you paid their visa and airfare to somewhere civilized
mircea_popescu: decimation no, because they're too stupid to figure it out.
mircea_popescu: gotta buy them from the tribe chieftain.
decimation: true; those with that gumption are already gone
mircea_popescu: easier, faster, less gab.
fluffypony: it's gotten better - the BEE rules have relaxed, and black people have received the same education as whites since the mid 1990s when Model C schools became the norm
mircea_popescu: the only reason this isn't happening right now is that, of course, a nude teenager is not worth money, generally speaking.
fluffypony: (mixed black/white/coloured etc.)
fluffypony: so I think the over-correction is normalising
mircea_popescu: fluffypony well so maybe in another... 20-30 years ? things even out
fluffypony: and we're actually starting to see expats slowly move back into the country
fluffypony: yeah pretty much, 20-30 years and things will even out a lot
fluffypony: assuming they don't fuck it all up in the interim
mircea_popescu: you ever seen disgrace, btw ? the movie.
fluffypony: yes - the book is also excellent
mircea_popescu: how accurate would you say the backdrop is ?
fluffypony: pretty accurate - the farm violence stuff exists, but it's not racially motivated, it's normally just poverty and opportunistic (farmers rarely have alarms and so on)
bounce: heh. you should like a saudi arabia of suckers. high quality chumpatron at state level.
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bounce: farmers typically kept dogs (or geese) for alarm bells
decimation: my favorite SA movie: Zulu
fluffypony: bounce: yep, but when you've got 20 guys who are poverty-stricken, desperate, and armed...well...
fluffypony: by the time the police arrive it's all over
bounce: hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge. how hard is it to actually start a farm (first small, then decent-sized) legally?
fluffypony: bounce: the government has been pushing HARD in that space
fluffypony: what they're doing is buying arable land from farmers
fluffypony: at more than it's worth (so the farmers don't get screwed)
fluffypony: then they portion it up
fluffypony: and give it to small farmers that have already demonstrated they can farm sustainably, at least for themselves
fluffypony: and they give them a ton of education on farm management etc.
fluffypony: plus a lot of the supermarket chains are getting into that whole "support the small farmer" thing and buying from those guys
fluffypony: the problem is that a lot of the poor in urban areas just beg at robots
fluffypony: sorry traffic lights, we call them robots
fluffypony: or they "watch your car" in mall parking lots and expect a few Rand when you're done
mircea_popescu: <bounce> hypothetically speaking, suppose you're hungry and poor, but you have the knowledge <<< it's not the knowledge. it's the attitude.
mircea_popescu: look at all the fuckwits starting "bitcoin businesses", a la danny
fluffypony: and because they make decent money begging, why bother doing anything that takes actual effort?
mircea_popescu: they think they know shit, is the problem, and they don't see why they should put inb the hard work of reading the logs for a year.
mircea_popescu: exactly.
decimation: well, and their government doesn't exactly work hard to dibuse them of the notion that they need to depend on them for handouts
mircea_popescu: and if you do what romania did with the displaced farm youth / urban poor youth
mircea_popescu: ie, send them to work camps
mircea_popescu: it'll look a little nazi in sa.
fluffypony: decimation: yes - politicians *PROMISED* them free housing, free cars, free education, free healthcare, so when they don't get it they complain that the politicians are going back on their promise
kakobrekla: logs arent the magic cure
mircea_popescu: i bet you they are.
fluffypony: and to be fair, I understand why they promised those things - they were out of reach because of Apartheid, and the politicians wanted to correct that
mircea_popescu: i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid.
kakobrekla: xapo.
kakobrekla: now pay up
fluffypony: lawl xapo
mircea_popescu: in fact, no WC in the world would be as close.
mircea_popescu: ooops i mean vc.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how does xapo disprove anything ?
kakobrekla: im pretty sure i dont have to explain it.
mircea_popescu: is your thesis that wences has been reading the logs or what ?
kakobrekla: more or less
kakobrekla: befre he left ofc
mircea_popescu: ;;seen wences
gribble: wences was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 45 weeks, 0 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: <wences> mircea, are you here?
mircea_popescu: 1 year ago this chan was not 1 year old.
mircea_popescu: he was here for a little bit, but it was weeks really iirc.
kakobrekla: so you are saying like one should read the new testament and not the old :D
bounce: "gaining IQ by reading", huh. magic!
mircea_popescu: all this aside : the guy made lemon and sold it out. then is making xapo
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mircea_popescu: this does not compare to your average bitcoin stupid in any sense.
mircea_popescu: bounce it's a fact. there's 30 to 35 iq points buried in there.
kakobrekla: myea arite
bounce: anyway, the "hypothetically speaking" was there to say I wanted to know whether there were any real obstacles for those willing -- that many aren't willing we already know.
bounce: (don't be too smart reading this magic text, you might go off the scale!)
fluffypony ponders
mircea_popescu: bounce it just tapers out
bounce: that thing with the land giveaway, worked well enough for those in the program then?
fluffypony: bounce: yes, there have been some instances of burn-out where the guys had one crop, sold it, got drunk and forgot to do anything else
fluffypony: but generally speaking it's working ok
fluffypony: but those guys that want to work hard are the minority
mircea_popescu: your words shock me.
fluffypony: I know, it's surprising, you'd expect everyone to want to work hard in the Land of Handouts
mircea_popescu: in my experience it's usually the women that want to work hard
mircea_popescu: with the men wanting to talk loudly.
fluffypony: very true
bounce: to the point that it's /not done/ among certain kinds of "socialists" to mention handouts-a-go-go doesn't always work (the /ruling/ kind of socialists, often enough *sigh*)
fluffypony: lots of families where the wife is a maid, and the husband does nothing
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mircea_popescu: this is historically and geographically stable, too. i have writings from 1880s romania describing the exact same problem
ThickAsThieves: <+bounce> somebody cook up a "not affiliated with the bitcoin foundation at all"-banner, just to show how supportive you are of that bunch /// check out my new footer logo! http://devilsadvocate.biz/
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bounce: :)
fluffypony: benkay: werd
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decimation: In response to the question of whether the current government has the consent of the governed, only 22 percent of likely voters say ?yes.? The partisan divide is marked; Democrats split evenly, but only 8 percent of Republicans say yes. These are scary numbers, particularly when one considers that many of the ?no consent? Democrats are probably on the left, denying the legitimacy of a government that does not do more for them.
benkay: what's that, fluffypony ?
fluffypony: benkay: it's like word but with an e
benkay: i'm entirely competent with the slang, fluffypony, it's the meaning and significance that's escaping me.
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu of course i meant comprised thank you
gribble: The operation succeeded.
fluffypony: benkay: seemed more fun than saying hi :)
benkay: that man reads far too closely
ThickAsThieves: i saw it too, but i was on my tablet hald asleep so didnt warn you ;)
jurov: you sleep on your tablet?
kakobrekla: its actually a book
jurov: yes i saw..not very good pillow either
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <mircea_popescu> that then makes two for you eh ? << i've only outright killed the one.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
kakobrekla: meh, nothing to read on the forum
ThickAsThieves: i broke the book cover btw
ThickAsThieves: dropped it off a chair and now a piece chipped off
kakobrekla: im out of excuses not to do work nao
kakobrekla: yes ascii i already read your blog on monday. the whole.
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mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves leave a sauce ion the trilema article too ?
ThickAsThieves: ah what now?
ozbot: Anti Bitcoin Foundation banners pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: put a link to your banner in comment section
mircea_popescu: open source hatebanner resoruce.
ThickAsThieves: yknow reading your slave article made me realize i was a bit depressed over the matter
ThickAsThieves: not your fault
ThickAsThieves: just sayin
mircea_popescu: i make it my job to bother people exactly in this manner.
mircea_popescu: if you can live with it you can, if not you'll do something about it, but in no case can it be that you just... never knew.
thestringpuller: oh nice anti-bitcoin foundation
ThickAsThieves: it's a big problem
ThickAsThieves: not just something that can be resolved in a moment
mircea_popescu: clearly.
mircea_popescu: and for most people... Too Big To Solve.
ThickAsThieves: well that's just it, it's like deciding to get a sex change or some shit
mircea_popescu: an apt analogy huh.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it is.
ThickAsThieves: yep exactly like it on so many levels
thestringpuller: except moving from your home doesn't you know isn't irreversible
thestringpuller: -doesn't*
ThickAsThieves: well you can split hairs
ThickAsThieves: but it really is upheaval, expense, it affects everyone you care about
decimation: the time away from home is irretrievable
ThickAsThieves: and if you do it right, it is not reversible
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: you got kids
ThickAsThieves: also a factor though
thestringpuller: then how deep can your roots really go?
thestringpuller: also why not spread seeds everywhere
thestringpuller: own property international...
ThickAsThieves: well i have a wife, and we each have families
decimation: USG is not a fan of international property ownership
ThickAsThieves: we have properties, businesses, careers
ThickAsThieves: fuck, even have cats is an issue
thestringpuller: "Perhaps if this had happened 10 years earlier."
ozbot: IRS Reminds Those with Foreign Assets of U.S. Tax Obligations
thestringpuller: I what this sounds like.
decimation: corporations can be international though; that's cool
ThickAsThieves: if i were single i'd be leaving already, sure
bounce: man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit.
ThickAsThieves: that was 8 years ago
ThickAsThieves: but 8 years ago i had nothing
ThickAsThieves: a Jeep and a dream
ThickAsThieves: 8 years ago i had already just left my home state
fluffypony: bounce: I'm waiting to see one in the wild ;)
ThickAsThieves: lol i didnt even see the BTC Foundation article
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: so you when does TaTI go international?
ThickAsThieves: those are some horrible banners indeed!
thestringpuller: damn I can't type today
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, what you seem to have missed,
ThickAsThieves: is that TATI does not and cannot exist
fluffypony: oh tomorrow is Freedom Day here (celebrates the abolishment of Apartheid), here's a fun read on what made Apartheid crazy - http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-26-20-bizarre-apartheid-moments
thestringpuller: Just because something does not and cannot exist, does not mean that it doesn't need to exist.
thestringpuller: You are merely a NOC agent in Bitcoin's war on fiat.
ThickAsThieves: your logic escapes me a bit, but i guess i get the gist
thestringpuller: It's akin to being a spy in war time no? You technically can't exist, as a spy, thus you parade around like a normal individual.
thestringpuller: Your mission is necessary despite whether or not it is officially condoned...
ThickAsThieves: i think youve abstracted all application out of the topic
fluffypony: "The security and happiness of all minority groups in South Africa depend on the Afrikaner. Whether they are English- or German- or Portuguese- or Italian-speaking, or even Jewish-speaking, makes no difference.”
fluffypony: - PW Botha, then prime minister, in Parliament, 1981
HeySteve: fluffypony, I think this freedom / unfreedom thing is a false dichotomy. it's more like there are degrees of freedom and the balance shifted
fluffypony: HeySteve: yeah, but celebrating a "freedom day" to commemorate the shifting of governmental power is a tradition all over the world - the 'Murkans have Independence Day, for eg.
HeySteve: fluffypony, sure, there's a difference here though in that the ANC tries to keep debate focused on these kinds of liberation narratives to justify its rule
HeySteve: it wasn't total unfreedom previously, that would imply slavery
fluffypony: HeySteve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pass_laws <- I think that alone, which was only repealed in 1986, qualifies as such a severe restriction of freedom that it would not be untoward to say that the abolishment of Apartheid brought freedom to certain groups
fluffypony: as you said - freedom is not absolute, but there are enough extremes on both sides that they can be described as having achieved a state of relative freedom from 1994
bounce: and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe
HeySteve: ok certainly pass laws and other stuff was very restrictive. but in the context of electoral politics, this strikes me a bit like Democrats winning in USA then instituting National Freedom from Bush Day
HeySteve: it's not the same as the country becoming independent, it's a holiday about the victory of one faction over another which is used to bolster support for the current ruling party
fluffypony: sure, everything can be politicised or used to achieve politically motivated ends
HeySteve: yeah. I would like to see Service Delivery Day instead is all :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC
mircea_popescu: <bounce> man, those are some ugly banners. like fluffypony's take though, classy and shit. << aww!
HeySteve: I mention bitcoin-assets in there as a good place to test ideas and such
mircea_popescu: jewish speaking ? he means idish or hebrew ?
bounce: "jewish", you heard the man
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I don't think he knew the difference
mircea_popescu: <bounce> and now, of course, with the advent of schengen and the resulting wonderful open borders, you're required to always be able to produce identity papers on demand in various countries in europe <<< this was a) never false and b) not currently true.
bounce: previously it was educated yet stupid white men doing stupid things. now, well, undereducated black people doing stupid things?
fluffypony: bounce: spot on
mircea_popescu: fundnation lol.
mircea_popescu: moar like fudge-ation
mircea_popescu: "Before the 1950s, this legislation largely applied to African men, and attempts to apply it to women in the 1910s and 1950s were met with significant protests. "
mircea_popescu: i think this is actually quite brilliant. make it illegal to have a mob[ile vulgus]
bounce: before 1914 you could travel all of europe without much of any papers. now, you can be locally born and raised yet get thrown in alien detention for not carrying papers. I'd say it's currently true.
mircea_popescu: communist romania had similar regulations. you couldn't just herpy-derp settle in town cause you felt like it.
mircea_popescu: bounce that's not factually true.
mircea_popescu: before 1914 when?
bounce: it's happened
mircea_popescu: before 1914 ie in the middle ages you could only travel if you were a journeyman, or in the service of a noble.
mircea_popescu: before 1914 ie, after 1800, you could travel if you had a passeport.
mircea_popescu: somewhat laxer, but still.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, papers were always to be produced on demand, ever since la terreur.
mircea_popescu: !up jcorgan
assbot: Voicing jcorgan for 30 minutes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12491 @ 0.00095118 = 11.8812 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: soo cex.io is doing this blogger.com spamblogs thing
ThickAsThieves: "If the crazy ride and popularity of Bitcoin makes you cackle like a mad-scientist, this is the place for you. "
ThickAsThieves: Preferred Qualifications
ThickAsThieves: Experience with web development (e.g. HTML, CSS, JS, jQuery, AJAX)
fluffypony: "Unlike some of those other "currencies" out there, we are backed up by and have access to the customer trust and fortitude of the world's largest online retailer. "
fluffypony: well gee, Amazon, way to alienate some of your target demo
ThickAsThieves: "We are excited by the challenging problems we face building a brand new concept of money and we are always thinking about how to redefine the way people think about the cheddar."
ThickAsThieves: or, "We're feeling kinda fucked here, help!"
mircea_popescu: "650+ Search engine unique traffics by Google/Facebook/Twitter/Youtube/... for $1"
mircea_popescu: some guy on twitter, " The amount of web traffic that is driven to those site links are the equivalent of Gold to these companies. In a digital world SEO is king. On top of this, the CoinDesk price index is what the foundation uses to charge it’s members and is generally accepted as the price by mainstream media."
mircea_popescu: yeah, totally. traffic is king.
mircea_popescu: http://cexiomineritulfaraaparatura.blogspot.ro/ << i got 90 hits from this page past 24 hours.
mircea_popescu: no link to trilema anywhere.
mircea_popescu: very king.
ozbot: Castiga Bitcoin fara sa cumperi aparatura fara sa folosesti calculatorul
ThickAsThieves: it has that nice SEO speak too
ThickAsThieves: "About CEX.io Mining for Bitcoin without equipment"
ozbot: Test Payday Loans Online to the Most Effective Approach to Borrow Dollars
mircea_popescu: somehow it sent 36 clicks to trilema. how ?
mircea_popescu: "buy traffic, set X domain as referer, hope noob webmaster actually links it somewhere"
ThickAsThieves: weird, i'd say it was hidden by CSS or someshit, but it aint
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I also checked the source
mircea_popescu: one of the advantages of trilema : i'm on everyone's spamlist. cause i write about games, about movies, about whores, about money... food, you name it
fluffypony: I think it's as mircea_popescu suggests - fake traffic with fake referrers
mircea_popescu: those 3 links above claim 14 clicks each. who's right here ? http://prestonbyrne.com/2014/04/21/that-didnt-take-long/ with 15
mircea_popescu: god it must suck.
ThickAsThieves: notic eno comments allowed on the preston retort
ThickAsThieves: last word is his!
mircea_popescu: check that shit out. it redirects to a ... cloudflare protected domain
mircea_popescu: someone "bought" "traffic", got ddosed, got cloudflare.
mircea_popescu: ok i gotta stop. but anyway, the idea stands.
ThickAsThieves: yeah now you just added all dem links to the log site
ThickAsThieves: such SEO
ThickAsThieves: your favorite game composer has a youtube
ThickAsThieves: dude shreds on piano
mircea_popescu: not sure he's my favourite, im too ignorant to know
mircea_popescu: but he sure rocks
ozbot: Witajcie Poland Chris Smith's impossible dream of getting me into musical and muscle shape! - YouTu
ThickAsThieves: him working out and piano training at once
mircea_popescu: Colloquially, passes were often called the dompas, literally meaning the "dumb pass."
mircea_popescu: well... that's exactly what they were neh
fluffypony: you guys have seen the Reebok and Nike thing, hey? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4c54rCJ_k
mircea_popescu: 5. “Jan Smuts airport, in common with the Union’s other ports of land, sea and air, will soon amend its apartheid applications. The words ‘European’ and ‘non-European’ will be replaced by the words ‘Whites’ and ‘Non-Whites’ over appropriate doors and entrances. The reason is that foreigners, particularly Americans, confuse the issue — and the exit — by tending to use doors that seem to distin
mircea_popescu: guish them from people who originate from Europe.” — Cape Times, 19
mircea_popescu: those pesky muricans ruining perfectly reasonable nonsense!
mircea_popescu: 7. “Coloured girls can now work as usherettes in white cinemas — provided they do not look at the screen, Mr John Redman, general manager of Kinekor’s theatre division, told me this week.
decimation: Re: US slavery: "At present, the federal government allocates about 25 percent of GDP and states/cities spend another 16 percent. According to some estimates, about 15 percent is controlled by the regulatory system, but this is probably low because it does not reflect the non-regulatory legal system. The conclusion is that at least 60 percent of the nation?s GDP is controlled by governments, and that does not even count the amount of economic
decimation: activity that is suppressed because of special interest pressure." (from my link above)
mircea_popescu: aww. i was rooting for "provided they remain on their knees, mouth open, left hand around lips
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.501 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: decimation i'd be surprised if 10% of us gdp is independent atm. it'd be mostly things like that cattle rancher guy.
mircea_popescu: ‘When we show a film which our non-white girls are not allowed to see, they usher patrons with a torch and watch the floor,’ he said. ‘We discussed the matter with the Department of Labour and I raised this point with them. As a precautionary measure — since non-whites are not allowed to see some films restricted to whites only — we decided that they should not look at the screen.”
mircea_popescu: wtf filmns were those i wonder ?
mircea_popescu: Sunday Express, 1971
fluffypony: no clue
mircea_popescu: like what, felini's satyricon ?
mircea_popescu: hot summer in the city and assorted sexploitation/blacksploitation flicks ?
mircea_popescu: the mack lol.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00094773 = 27.7211 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: “I never imagined that power would remain forever with the Matanzimas. It’s just that we were the only two with university degrees.”
mircea_popescu: “At least I’ll be able to kiss Desdemona without leaving a smudge.” — Actor John Kani, the first black man to play Othello in Shakespeare’s play in South Africa
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ok this one's great.
mircea_popescu: “[An] SABC records committee members, Mr Roelf Jacobs, denied the SABC ‘banned’ songs. ‘We just don’t play them,’ he said.”
mircea_popescu: “People have the silly idea that there must be freedom of the press and no repression. They don’t realise that ideas are also a source of evil.”
decimation: of course ideas are a source of evil
decimation: the trouble is that any bureaucraticly crafted policy to suppress them will likely fail
mircea_popescu: ideas are a source of evil in the sense pie is a source of evil.
mircea_popescu: the supreme source of all evil is the cunt.
decimation: or the germ cells?
mircea_popescu: well this is enough history reading for an evening. ima go beat my slaves and smoke a pipe.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00095011 = 8.5985 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4703 BTC [+]
jurov: HeySteve, in the article, can you link to actual log line?
jurov: !up xdotcomm_
assbot: Voicing xdotcomm_ for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up BingoBoingo
assbot: Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.
benkay: xdotcomm_ is back?
benkay: goodness.
xdotcomm_: benkay: yes!
xdotcomm_: did u miss me?
xdotcomm_: and my socks?
benkay: mnope.
HeySteve: jurov, I don't know how to link to the line, just the date
xdotcomm_: be honest ... i know you did
xdotcomm_: you miss the sock puppet show
HeySteve: if I can link to a line that's better
jurov: HeySteve: #linenumber, when you click in the time, you'll get it
HeySteve: ok thx I will try
jurov: the time in the start of every line
HeySteve: ah ha
HeySteve: right I updated it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06922716 = 0.3461 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00095043 = 6.1778 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 460 @ 0.00084997 = 0.391 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 440 @ 0.00084342 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: !up dignork
assbot: Voicing dignork for 30 minutes.
jurov: !up nubbins`
assbot: Voicing nubbins` for 30 minutes.
artifexd: ThickAsThieves: Thanks for the kind words on your blog. Much appreciated.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0685 = 0.137 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.034 = 0.136 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0413034 = 0.1239 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7912 @ 0.00095043 = 7.5198 BTC [+]
moiety: lolol fluffypony
moiety: anyone*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.03429 = 0.1715 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0412 = 0.206 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6878 @ 0.00095031 = 6.5362 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: !up prestonbanks
assbot: Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.
fluffypony: sup prestonbanks
prestonbanks: sup fluffypony
prestonbanks: just read bitcoinpete's blog
fluffypony: two glasses of wine down, nom
prestonbanks: now im here
fluffypony: which article?
prestonbanks: a lot of them
prestonbanks: going from one reference to the next
benkay: prestonbanks of fincen?
fluffypony: !seen bitcoinpete
fluffypony: ;;seen bitcoinpete
gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 52 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> jurov: indeed, best of luck!
fluffypony: guess bitcoinpete is weekend-ing
prestonbanks: how does he dare
fluffypony: OH - preston BYRNE is the other dude
fluffypony: lawlz
fluffypony: I thought you were he
prestonbanks: is that why i got voice so quickly?
fluffypony: pretty much
fluffypony: I got excited
kakobrekla: and !down ..
prestonbanks: finders keepers
fluffypony: prestonbanks: it'll only last for another 25 mins anyway
prestonbanks: well i actually planned to follow bitcoinpete's advice
fluffypony: about not investing in MaidSafe?
prestonbanks: "shutting up and learning until you have something intelligent to say"
fluffypony: good advice
kakobrekla: and get in the wot
prestonbanks: avoiding maidsafe like the plague
fluffypony: do you know how to register your nick?
prestonbanks: i heard the letstalkbitcoin interview of maidsafe
kakobrekla: ltb is shit.
prestonbanks: i will follow the instructions in the subject line to register my nick
prestonbanks: thx fluffy
fluffypony: prestonbanks: /msg nickserv register password email
fluffypony: and then when you connect in future /msg nickserv identify password
fluffypony: in terms of the WoT
kakobrekla: registering nick != registering in the wot
ThickAsThieves: prestonbanks are you the guy with the blog that quoted MPEx's stance on the SEC?
fluffypony: but you can only register in the WoT after registering your nick
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: no, I made the same mistake
fluffypony: I got super excited
kakobrekla: im not sure thats required
prestonbanks: i opened pandora's box without knowing
fluffypony: kakobrekla: afaik it is, gribble doesn't allow eregister or bcregister without a registered nick
benkay: getting into the wot properly is a daylong exercise if you're not a regular gpg user to begin with
ThickAsThieves: i learned in like 15min
benkay: backed up your master key?
prestonbanks: i should probably consider a different nick
benkay: made revocation certs?
prestonbanks: in case the fincen guy wants in
benkay: ThickAsThieves: ^^
benkay: tested your restoration process?
ThickAsThieves: ah no, i just mean getting it all to work
ThickAsThieves: if you wanna get in wot and get permavoice in here it isnt hard
ThickAsThieves: that leaves out nickserv auth reg too...
benkay: i'm saying setting up the gpg toolchain is a daylong exercise for new gpg users.
prestonbanks: tomorrow is a sunday
prestonbanks: so it should be doable
benkay: and setting up the toolchain should be preceeded by reading the manual, but who reads manuls these days anyways
kakobrekla: the notion of days is all wrong.
benkay: (fuckers bite, i hear)
fluffypony: kakobrekla: I like the structure it gives, but that's just me
prestonbanks: i hate those foldable manuals that are as big as a roadmap
fluffypony: kakobrekla: just checked, and you're 100% right - I'd misread an earlier issue with someone trying to ;;bcauth and gribble complaining about them not being registered, I thought they were trying to ;;bcregister
kakobrekla is right even when he is wrong, the usual.
fluffypony: of cors
prestonbanks: all guys talking now are regulars around here?
fluffypony: or in assbot's Level 2 trust
fluffypony: which is the only requirement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2598 @ 0.00095011 = 2.4684 BTC [-]
prestonbanks: i'm sure i'll pick up on the inside jokes over time
prestonbanks: i'll get to it tonight and tomorrow
prestonbanks: now enjoying my remaining minutes of voice
prestonbanks: weeeeeee
kakobrekla: !down prestonbanks
Duffer1: !up prestonbanks
assbot: Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.
prestonbanks: had that coming
prestonbanks: thx duffer
prestonbanks: kakobrekla is the mean guy of the group
prestonbanks: duly noted
Duffer1: nah just people messin with you
kakobrekla: no, i was serious.
kakobrekla: !down prestonbanks
kakobrekla: go read up
fluffypony: prestonbanks: your time will come, don't forget to register your nick and get in the WoT, cheers!
mod6: huh, didn't know about that page.
fluffypony: mod6: much easier than pushing everyone's RSS feed into a reader
kakobrekla: mod6 its in the topic you know
kakobrekla: also on home of b-a.com
fluffypony: kakobrekla: nobody reads the chan topic, apparently
kakobrekla: ;;topic
kakobrekla: fixd.
mod6: kakobrekla: ah!
mod6 wonders how he never looked that up
mod6: i guess i just read a lot of these blogs directly. kindof a nice digest tho.
moiety read manuls, realised it was a typo *disappoint*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06933582 = 0.6934 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00316004 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03447 = 0.2413 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0412 = 0.2884 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.0742218 = 0.5196 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: g'day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60303 @ 0.00094681 = 57.0955 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: You too
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: One of my favorite parts of bitcoin is the mystery surrounding the distinction between NCOs and officers of Bitcoin
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: I'm EXTREMELY opinionated about that, and I fully agree with your conclusions
ThickAsThieves: i dont write much, and as i read my writing it feels very "What I Did Last Summer", so I'm also open to constructive criticisms
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: there's a shitload of account software that can't handle more than 2 decimal places, and when you have idiot data captures manually capturing BTC transactions because the company is too cheap to pay a developer for an hour's worth of work, bad stuff happens...that same accounting software has no problem differentiating the US Dollar from the Zimbabwean Dollar and the Japanese Yen, despite their integer values being orders of
fluffypony: magnitude different, so the argument is sound
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7946 @ 0.00094459 = 7.5057 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: not a typo, moiety :)
BingoBoingo: !up prestonbanks
assbot: Voicing prestonbanks for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: ;;google drinkingrecord GPG guide
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/pgpgpg-guide/>; Signature Thursday: Geany a GUI text editor for GPG tasks | Bingo ...: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2013/10/31/signature-thursday-geany-a-gui-text-editor-for-gpg-tasks/>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/>
BingoBoingo: ^^ prestonbanks
BingoBoingo: prestonbanks: The GPG stuff does take a while but registering with nickserv and setting enforce to on is a quick exercise
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves: in fact, I think I got quite vocal on this thread: https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/issues/3862 - the proposal was to switch to micro-BTC, but the accounting software idea is the same...unfortunately it was NACK'd because everyone thought it had to do with the exchange rate rather than reading the opening post
fluffypony: well not think, I know I did
prestonbanks: bingbiongo; i have some experience with registering and using IRC channels so i think that will be no problem as soon as i figured out a new nick
danielpbarron: 11:51:45 <+mircea_popescu> i will go as far as to say that no person that has spent one year diligently (4hrs/day) reading this logs can be stupid. << I have been doing exactly that ever since I found this place.
prestonbanks: the pgp stuff.. i'll have to read up on that
prestonbanks: bookmarked the links you guys gave me
prestonbanks: bingoboingo* sorry for butchering your name
BingoBoingo: prestonbanks: Cool, just remember some freenode shit is weird and non-standard? Oh, you don't just tab to autocomplete?
BingoBoingo: prestonbanks: The most important part of the GPG stuff is the key management practice.
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: he's on web chat
BingoBoingo: Delete restore and generate new keys prolly no less than 10 times
BingoBoingo goes backs to watching baseball
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0075 = 0.15 BTC [+]
benkay: thestringpuller: when is gasenwagen conf?
phf: i.. wouldn't recommend going to a gasenwagen conf, not by your own choice anyway
benkay: well, the gasenwagen conf is for those scheduled for the gasenwagen but have not yet been picked up
phf: ok, glad we're on the same page
phf: and there's a proper use of kashchenit terminology going on
Duffer1: fluffypony nice banners
fluffypony: tks Duffer1
fluffypony: I have some ideas for other ones, just too busy to actually do them
benkay: kashchenit, phf?
ozbot: Twitter / AdrianChen: Yes. There will be a live-doxxing ...
fluffypony: oh goody
fluffypony: another one
moiety: benkay: yeah, i have to stop responding as i am reading. i saw the biting bit after. happy weekend btw!
benkay: happy weekend to yourself as well
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: what game are you watching atm btw?
fluffypony: !up BingoBoingo
assbot: Voicing BingoBoingo for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Cardinals vs. Pirates. Was looking really good until is wasn't
benkay: ;;gettrust assbot BingoBoingo
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=BingoBoingo | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013
BingoBoingo: On the deck taking a smoke break
fluffypony: ah ok
BingoBoingo: ~5 minutes laptop goes off again
fluffypony: on that note, I'm off to bed, night all
BingoBoingo: benkay: If this game gets much worse I might self up and hang here a while
benkay: come hang out with us, BingoBoingo
benkay: i was just throwing the notion of a gasenwagen conf around
BingoBoingo: benkay: IRL socially drinking today. Just stepped out for a fag.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06704916 = 6.7049 BTC [-] {19}
BingoBoingo: And headed in...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.06600066 = 1.98 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00094347 = 39.2484 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06933581 = 0.208 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.03250016 = 0.195 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: o wow, phf. that's...news to me.
Namworld: Hmm, I'm looking at penalties for late tax filling. Looks like the interest charged is low. Up to a maximum of 50% flat penalty for multiple years of late filling plus 5-6% annual interest on balance.
Namworld: So far, over the last few years, anyone with BTC income would have been better off waiting and filling late to avoid having to convert BTC to pay taxes earlier it seems.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06933556 = 0.2773 BTC [+] {3}
bounce: oh, it's wikipedia begging season again
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 33 @ 0.00648271 = 0.2139 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.00135202 = 0.1352 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 2 @ 0.07525 = 0.1505 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47926 @ 0.0009426 = 45.175 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.068001 = 0.136 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0333125 = 0.2665 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0684818 = 0.4794 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0685454 = 0.4113 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0685454 = 0.6855 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0335 = 0.134 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0413 = 0.1652 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0335 = 0.201 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04126666 = 0.2476 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.033 = 0.198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.04113333 = 0.2468 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0682 = 0.4092 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.033 = 0.231 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04216633 = 0.1265 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.03385685 = 0.237 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0689049 = 0.1378 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0425 = 0.2125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 15 @ 0.0742218 = 1.1133 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.03363157 = 0.639 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 39 @ 0.03413741 = 1.3314 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.04215384 = 0.548 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.0742218 = 0.3711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.04232333 = 0.127 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03449626 = 0.5174 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0421932 = 0.211 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03476666 = 0.5215 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.04158499 = 0.2911 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.0742218 = 0.1484 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06700001 = 0.134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73076 @ 0.00093962 = 68.6637 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.0742218 = 0.7422 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16435 @ 0.00093868 = 15.4272 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.0742218 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.066 = 0.264 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8251 @ 0.00093868 = 7.745 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.0742218 = 0.2227 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.06450051 = 0.3225 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 24 @ 0.0742218 = 1.7813 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.034 = 0.17 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.510049 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51046496 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.0353222 = 1.201 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03544 = 0.3544 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03544 = 0.2835 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17689 @ 0.00094158 = 16.6556 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.0414998 = 0.2905 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06899978 = 0.138 BTC [+]
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