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← 2014-03-02 | 2014-03-04 → ↓
BingoBoingo: Nah, one doesn't want to appear to be a dorky BTC Jesus. One wants to look like a simple blue collar actual jesus.
benkay: or suits as the case may be.
benkay: probably relatively high-profile from target perspective.
benkay: "oh, dude has btc. let's breach his personal security and get 'em."
benkay: but also it has to be a sustainable, fault-tolerant thing that a person can practice their whole lives.
kakobrekla: basically you need some nut a wrench cant unscrew
benkay: "personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
benkay: i'm thinking best practices for personal backup and recovery strategy for keys and private contracts and such.
dub: BingoBoingo has it really, don't get caught
dub: no amount of kit will protect you from a determined attacker
asciilifeform: benkay: "personal crypto security: basically impossibly hard" << every time this is said, nsa cafeteria fillets and serves a white tiger kitten (or insert rarer and cuter animal)
benkay: sure sure
B007: benkay: all your bitcoins are belong to me
benkay: no i know asciilifeform, it's in quotes for a reason
benkay: okay i have this gpg key
B007: just store your keys encrypted and offline, hope for the best?
benkay: how do i best ensure i have access to it forever?
dub: benkay: one thing I do is delete or hide any wallets im carrying across borders
benkay: encrypted image with all important keys and files?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.0008829 = 0.1324 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: carry some microfiche that looks like a one time pad and you actual keys more discretely, misdirect the attention
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.00088299 = 0.2649 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: faugh
BingoBoingo: perhaps find a "collectible" surplus or replica for the purpose
chetty: fillup a lot of storage with random stuff, encrypted with different keys, lose it in the mess
benkay: obfuscation
benkay: i'm afraid of becoming an old man and actually losing it in the mess, though.
asciilifeform: none of you seem to be thinking about the obvious
asciilifeform: situation where enemy (willing to torture and kill) knows that you're loaded
asciilifeform: and doesn't know (or care) where you keep the stash
asciilifeform: but has your arse
asciilifeform: and a soldering iron.
chetty: cyanide
asciilifeform: for some reason i thought that is what this line of thought was about.
benkay: more along the lines of list of things to do that will reduce attack surface area
benkay: maximize key durability
benkay: and access
asciilifeform: next lower class of attack: enemy willing to steal every single one of your identifiable possessions
benkay: right. they got the backups.
benkay: so the only thing to do is an encrypted drive with a memorized dicelist.
asciilifeform: the only real defence is: obscurity
chetty: #1 - don't be a target, #2 - don't be an easy target
benkay: #3 make it hard to parse the possibility space, #4 have rock solid encryption as a last barrier?
benkay: am i retarded or is this problem hard?
benkay: is there a checklist for the professional keyholder i've failed to find?
asciilifeform: wtf is a professional keyholder
benkay: i have a wot key
benkay: it is the sum of my identity 25 years from now
benkay: my whole business is tied up in this thing
benkay: i lose it, i lose everything
benkay: i'm interested in best practices for this sort of scenario.
asciilifeform: encrypt, using a process known only to you, and inject in the blockchain.
asciilifeform: (if you are not willing to pay what this costs, the payload cannot be important)
benkay: yeah, i'll buy that.
chetty: in the end a key based id is no different than the various numbers and stuff we use now, how do you protect those?
asciilifeform: 'pay' in the sense that stuffing bits in the blockchain costs.
benkay: what is the going rate per kb?
asciilifeform: benkay: depends on the actual mechanism used.
asciilifeform: under no circumstances should you tell us - or anyone else - which.
benkay: ah, right.
asciilifeform: programmatically pissing out transactions is trivial, use your imagination.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00085899 = 5.2398 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: thank you, asciilifeform.
asciilifeform: benkay: remember that steganography, unlike cryptography, cannot be simultaneously strong and standardized.
asciilifeform: ('standardized stego' is the key hidden under door mat.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 3678 @ 0.00055795 = 2.0521 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6600 @ 0.00085948 = 5.6726 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: mhm.
MisterE: Crimerians are happy the Russians are there
benkay: thumbs up or down on revocation certs safely stored offline?
benkay: i guess just another aspect of the problem we all face that we never talk about in public because just talking about it exposes your practices
benkay: sheeeeit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0053666 = 0.1073 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00085607 = 34.3712 BTC [-] {4}
Jakamoko: looks like mtgox got hacked again
ozbot: [PHP] <?php namespace Money; class Bitcoin { #const BITCOIN_NODE = '173.224.12 - Pastebin.co
ThickAsThieves: Matonis and Vess resigning
ThickAsThieves: "nanashi____ who posted the leaked recording between Mark Karpeles and the Japanese bank also says there is a 20GB MySQL database. An unknown group is trying to decode it and retrieve non-personal information at the moment, and may release a torrent later."
ThickAsThieves: supposedly boring conversation in japanese about laws
Jakamoko: supposedly they got access to the user's aml documentation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.0053666 = 0.3005 BTC [-]
benkay: kewl
chetty: Tim Cook has shocked some in the US with an impassioned attack on the single-minded pursuit of profit – and a direct appeal to climate-change deniers not to buy shares in his firm.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ouch
benkay: ;;gpg eauth freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
benkay: buwaaat
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:dcc0be6c1a24011e376ab8d29c7bbd11ab3a913e394fd3f41913c798
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
KRS-One: .bait
mircea_popescu: in new news : bitcoin scamdation running out of the us
KRS-One: BREAKING NEWS: USD transaction maleability issue. News at 11.
mircea_popescu: maybe this way they'll escape prosecution and everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.005602 = 0.112 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you'd think bfl's vleisides is advising them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.0054 = 0.135 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: damn, i've been off for a while and it seems the gox drama is keeping on
mircea_popescu: o yeah, this is good drama, gotta keep it for at least a month.
Apocalyptic: the AML data leak kinda bothers me
mircea_popescu: because why ?
mircea_popescu: it's great, it will encourage anyone who isn't an imbecile to not send his data to aml bs.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is here to kill aml anyway. why prolong its agony.
Apocalyptic: yeah I can agree on that
joecool: oh god i was missing this kind of scamming
joecool: so good
mircea_popescu: anyway. for the record : people quitting Bitcoin Foundation now are going to be getting exactly zero credit for it.
mircea_popescu: they should have quit when i said it's a scam, not wait till after i killed their piggybank.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 171 @ 0.00540363 = 0.924 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.0051002 = 0.2805 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00506247 = 0.1468 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: benkay well yes, the icelanders are under insane capital controls. what's the surprise here ?
benkay: and yet the aurora coin people are nominally going to give coins to icelandic folk?
benkay: the surprise is that people buy this particular scam.
mircea_popescu: people will buy anything.
mircea_popescu: this is the problem with welfare : this sort of idiot should be on a starvation diet
mircea_popescu: that way you ensure any resources they have are judiciously expended.
mircea_popescu: if they have as much as one cent extra over what the bare minimum their sustenance requires,
mircea_popescu: they'll spend it to buy britney spears records and aurora coins
mircea_popescu: this is a serious problem, because one cent from one billion scum results in enough piled up money for shit like spears and aurora coin to pretenbd like they matter.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5831 @ 0.00085548 = 4.9883 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57 = 1.71 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
benkay: belabour
benkay: neat coinage
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00572531 = 0.2863 BTC [+] {5}
vexuall: Can I get a link to pankkakes mpex charting?
azi`: gah I hope the guys at gox didn't store the passwords in playintex
azi`: plaintext*
vexuall: Mark, ll keep running it from fraudblock on analdroid like nothings wrong
azi`: have u guys seen that someone stole personal data from gox just recently?
benkay: azi` you could check the logs
benkay: they're linked in the message of the day.
benkay: sorry nobody's around to tell you your news is stale on cue
vexuall: Ben10 can you point me to pankakke, s sexiness?
benkay: i think ihop's over thattaway baby doll
vexuall: Ugg
benkay: yo be a luv and hit us with some baile funk
vexuall: Jailhouse rock. Elvis
benkay: sounds like stupid old person music
benkay: hey and what happened to your nick
benkay: ;;gettrust Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
benkay: you know vex you can get in the wot with just a btc wallet
vexuall: I dont have a notebook right now
vexuall: ;; gettrust Benkay
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user vexuall to user Benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=vexuall&dest=Benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
benkay: yeah well how the fuck am i supposed to rate you if you're not even in the wot?!
vexuall: Who gives a fuck what I think?
benkay: you play sweet tunes
benkay: give it three years you might talk mp into flying you out to dj the next secret bitcoinspiracy con
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, "The only reason TradeFortress wasn't similarly has to do with cash" // I believe the foundation vouched for him in the sense they published some logo or whatever advertising for inputs.io
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08491521 = 0.1698 BTC [+]
vexuall: Tunnel time
vexuall: .bait
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
vexuall: Apo: proof of hack was invented long ago
vexuall: 2 year gox exploit? Bullshit
vexuall: Good luck buying a corner to piss in dux
dexX7_: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zaqvy/bitstamp_email_list_used_to_spread_mtgox_malware/
ozbot: Bitstamp email list used to spread Mt.Gox malware : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8950 @ 0.0002 = 1.79 BTC [+]
vexuall: Such negligence
vexuall: Wow
dexX7_: this is probably teh end of bitcoin :(
vexuall: Such that an irc handle wont save you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1900 @ 0.00020721 = 0.3937 BTC [+] {2}
vexuall: Some dude said how the internet routs around fucktardery wnd cesorship
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3545 @ 0.00020999 = 0.7444 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08495399 = 0.7646 BTC [+] {3}
HeySteve: vexuall, yeah but he said it about usenet
vexuall: Still a thing :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08497585 = 0.3399 BTC [+] {4}
HeySteve: Chinese might not agree
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59988999 = 1.1998 BTC [+]
vexuall: Do they have newsgroups?
vexuall: Alt.binaries.blockchain
vexuall: Not to be confused with atc. Altcoin
vexuall: ;; ug altcoin
gribble: Error: "ug" is not a valid command.
vexuall: Gimme love assbot
ozbot: 3.816 billion | Next Diff in 1582 blocks | Estimated Change: 3.8253% in 10d 13h 23m 22s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
vexuall: Ugg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 38 @ 0.08000553 = 3.0402 BTC [-] {5}
vexuall: Binaries.blockchain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02134426 = 0.1067 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
vexuall: Fuck you assbot
wao-ender: v00h, this is hell wimmie crazy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFdHe-_82Xc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0802 = 0.401 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: <dexX7_> this is probably teh end of bitcoin :( <<<<< what again???
dexX7_: hehe
dexX7_: it's different this time!
dexX7_: < kidding ;)
vexuall: Ugg I need a blog
vexuall: Warm yor cake hole corn hole sppooon fed fuckstick face by the fire
vexuall: Laughing time is over
wao-ender: any reccomendation on some bitcoin related-art?
cazalla: people buy bitcoin related art?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.08000001 = 0.32 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00085672 = 8.5244 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0760015 = 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07600002 = 0.532 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3832 @ 0.00021 = 0.8047 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16950 @ 0.00085679 = 14.5226 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.005377 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: yes the post is errored in that TF was a Silver Member of the BTCFundnation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00536625 = 0.2147 BTC [-] {5}
ThickAsThieves: TradeFortress
ThickAsThieves: Inputs.io specifically
wao-ender: ah inputs..
ThickAsThieves: you can still see the Silver Member logo on his site today if you click thru www.inputs.io
nubbins`: wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005366 = 0.1502 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00516003 = 0.1135 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.044499 = 0.267 BTC [+]
HeySteve: we have the story of Karpele's fraud in France before he fled to Japan and started Gox - http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/03/03/exclusive-tibanne-co-ltd-sentenced-2013-mark-karpeless-lies-new/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 50 @ 0.0446 = 2.23 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> wow, so bitstamp lost their email list? lel /// I'm skeptical
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0447 = 0.4917 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "some random guy" isn't exactly a reliable source for news, hey
nubbins`: HeySteve, your site's layout is broken
ThickAsThieves: Doge Tips? ...
ThickAsThieves: way to lead an article...
ThickAsThieves: "As a result of one’s legitimate desire not to pay for a job failing to comply with the original agreement"
ThickAsThieves: that's leading
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4021 @ 0.00021049 = 0.8464 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 800 @ 0.0002105 = 0.1684 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished?
ThickAsThieves: so far this tells the story of every single web dev project ever
ThickAsThieves: "Mark Karpeles blatantly lied so as to hide an inexcusable fact: no development work had been done. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00085665 = 1.8846 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: evidence?
ThickAsThieves: "Mr. Karpeles’s lies now knew no limit." sic?
ThickAsThieves: ignore that i read it wrong :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00515102 = 0.3297 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07999283 = 0.32 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07999323 = 0.7999 BTC [+] {2}
HeySteve: nubbins, what's up with the layout?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.13311598 = 0.9318 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "It's not a currency," he said. "I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't around in the next 10-20 years." "It's being priced off the dollar," Buffett added. "It is not a durable means of exchange."
taub_: heh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00085679 = 0.6854 BTC [+]
chetty: <ThickAsThieves> who takes delivery of a web dev project and THEN tests it? what web dev refunds money just cuz job isnt finished? <<< The US Gov?
nubbins`: big ol' whitespace breaks going down the page
nubbins`: oh, actually, it's fine now. must've not loaded properly before.
nubbins`: chetty XD
ThickAsThieves: chetty 1, TAT 0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28173 @ 0.0008568 = 24.1386 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0905 = 0.181 BTC [-]
Neil: I pointed out the >>= bug about 1 year ago. I got laughed at on the forums.
Neil: It's undefined behaviour to shift by an amount greater than or equal to the bitwidth of the type in C and C++. No such care was taken in the bitcoind codebase.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.080125 = 1.282 BTC [+] {3}
Neil: The laughing was something like "Yeah we'll all care about that in 2200" which is fair enough; no way will the bug last that long. And you won't care before then.
nubbins`: heh.
Neil: But a bug it is; the code wouldn't pass muster in GCC which I used to maintain.
Neil: The problem is most coders don't know the language they're writing, nor do they care. Hence the crap we deal with. We need more Dan Bernsteins and Matt Dillons.
Neil: (though DJBs language conformance was pretty shit too)
Neil: Lemme find the link
ozbot: So, what happens when bitcoins stop being produced?
Neil: Yeah so I'm zebedee on the fora
ThickAsThieves: "I can't think of any computer program that was running 130 years ago that is still running today." ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.091 = 0.182 BTC [+]
nubbins`: half that sentence isn't necessary
Neil: ThickAsThieves: The problem is, these are always signs that the dude that wrote it doesn't really know what they're doing. Hence why we're all running code with remote exploits.
nubbins`: actually, you could remove everything past the first three words
Neil: NSA doesn't have to try too hard.
Neil: When I release my bitcoin implementation, it may suck in many ways, but it won't have things like that in it.
nubbins`: twist: nsa foresaw digital currency and created bitcoin codebase so that a flawed implementation would ruin people on the idea
Neil: I guess I can celebrate understanding sthg mircea doesn't / didn't 24 hrs ago. There is no problem with the compilers; whatever they do is good; it's all in the language spec and doing something with no defined semantics.
ThickAsThieves: indeed, it also reminds me of the quantum mining guys somehow arguing that soliciting investors to create it would make them rich in bitcoins, while out the other side of their mouth saying that quantum invulnerable wallets can be made afterward
ThickAsThieves: also they'd open source the miners after they mined "enough"
ThickAsThieves: the whole thing was surreal
ThickAsThieves: what's worse is they weren't even scamming
ThickAsThieves: they believed it al
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.00085612 = 38.611 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: this is of course why ethereum can't be taken seriously, etc
Neil: Huh? They were claiming they'd be rich exploiting something whose value would go to zero being exploited? They'd have to be quick and smart in how they did said "exploiting".
ThickAsThieves: they said so on a stage as well!
ThickAsThieves: there's no smart quickness about it
ThickAsThieves: the value would be zero
ThickAsThieves: they were deadly focused on the sexiness of achieving psuedo-quantum mining and being geekchic
KRS-One: quantum computing is teh sexy
KRS-One: .bait
ThickAsThieves: (This was Vitalik Buterin and Jordan Ash, for the record)
ozbot: noospheer | The Quantum Graph
ozbot: Bitstamp and Kraken, can you respond to these allegations by your competitor that you aren't complyi
ThickAsThieves: has Bitstamp responded?
jurov: seems not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.021399 = 0.428 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how blurry the line is for getting banned from commenting at theverge
jurov: am i blind or did it just vanished from /r/Bitcoin/ ?
jurov: with >600 upvoes, it should be right there
jurov: anyone can check?
ThickAsThieves: [removed]
jurov: iiiinteresting
jurov: <davout> they told me i'm slanderous soul
jurov: inb4 ^
ThickAsThieves: does davout haz twitter?
davout: @Bitcoin_Central
davout: @davoutplantaire
davout: I used the former before, now I tweet under the latter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000884 = 0.2652 BTC [+]
davout: jurov: o, you linked to me buttraping jesse powell :D
ThickAsThieves: davout makes mean posts on forums, therefore he is a liar and only trying to promote his business. Of course!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.0008848 = 0.2212 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 170 @ 0.00088497 = 0.1504 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: people now trust the con- more than the -vincing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0914 = 0.457 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i wondered what happened to The Genesis Block blog. It looks like they gave up writing and moved on to data
ThickAsThieves: good choice, i suppose
ozbot: The Genesis Block
ThickAsThieves: Bitstamp Websocket API now available: https://www.bitstamp.net/websocket/
ThickAsThieves: ah they just tucked it under a misleading name
ThickAsThieves: they used to post more though
Neil: KRS-One: good bait; I have a soft spot for the Asian ladies
nubbins`: yeah, "research" is a misnomer
Neil: Hmm discus fish goes from 56K blocks to 594K blocks.
Neil: Or is blockchain.info full of it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00512 = 0.1638 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00511 = 1.533 BTC [-]
mike_c: ok.. i give up. mpex turns off 70% of its revenue, the share price goes down basically 0%.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 475 @ 0.00088668 = 0.4212 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: give up what?
mike_c: give up trying to understand.
jurov: welcome in the club
mike_c: ^ lol. love it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5800001 = 1.16 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.00510601 = 0.3115 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.00088788 = 0.2024 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 862 @ 0.00021245 = 0.1831 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 300 @ 0.000888 = 0.2664 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 443 @ 0.00511 = 2.2637 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00510956 = 0.4599 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Roger Ver on MTGOX Bankruptcy and Bitcoin - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: bets on how long before he apologizes for this one?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17900 @ 0.00085612 = 15.3245 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: lol he namedrops ethereum...
davout: roger veere
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088891 = 0.2222 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00523699 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.021399 = 0.1926 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07800208 = 0.156 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0447 = 0.1788 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 617.07, vol: 34737.99747344 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 600.02, vol: 19273.94613 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 618.0, vol: 24450.39495296 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 617.62, vol: 141.42750145 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 600.553359, vol: 9473.99400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 618.59, vol: 34.37330871 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 618.4077, vol: 193.3986179 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Looks like the drama rally might be heating up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0436004 = 0.218 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.091001 = 0.455 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07794499 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432505 = 0.173 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.091001 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 85 @ 0.07307177 = 6.2111 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58 = 1.74 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00522999 = 0.2667 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.0429 = 0.3861 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0890006 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.089 = 0.178 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0914999 = 0.183 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.00088985 = 0.8899 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1118 @ 0.00021 = 0.2348 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00538988 = 0.4743 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07300335 = 0.219 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07186666 = 1.078 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 4180 @ 0.0055 = 22.99 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.58 = 9.86 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2504 @ 0.0002002 = 0.5013 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1268 @ 0.0001938 = 0.2457 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.072 = 0.936 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5700002 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00085577 = 35.2577 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.36577410 BTC to 3`590 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
benkay: it's a mystery to me as well, mike_c
benkay: ready to play a game of catch-the-knife?
mike_c: except the knife isn't falling!
ThickAsThieves: while i'm not converted, mp did take the time to explain this already
Duffer1: good morning
the20year2: Nice big trade today, joy
the20year2: Does mircea_popescu have a contingency plan if Russia rolls through Romania too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i dont recall which or how many articles covered the topic, but i recall them mostly boiling down to mpoe being the only sure thing in bitcoin to invest in.
ThickAsThieves: if anything can remain irrational longer than the marker, it's surely a creation of mircea_popescu ;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00085488 = 12.2675 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16185 @ 0.00085757 = 13.8798 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.090998 = 0.182 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:d380847cecd5806627a3b3890957c8abf829b0f91c3111495607da04
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
lalusch: casinobitco.in report online!
benkay: lalusch: well give us a link why dontcha
ozbot: CasinoBitco.in - Public
lalusch: here you go
Namworld: These revenues suck
lalusch: yes
ozbot: [Stratfor] Examining the future of Bitcoin : Bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00512442 = 2.0498 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10412 @ 0.00085519 = 8.9042 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59990999 = 2.3996 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0052001 = 0.286 BTC [+]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: any luck with that key?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00520011 = 0.26 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0052001 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00510012 = 0.1734 BTC [-] {2}
wao-ender: vov 710
ozbot: Selling the Froth: A Simple Hedged Forex Strategy for Bitcoin-Denominated Returns
ThickAsThieves: by Dr Greg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00510014 = 0.1326 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00510327 = 0.74 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00508463 = 0.3305 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00505001 = 0.3131 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 669.34, Best ask: 669.72, Bid-ask spread: 0.38000, Last trade: 669.34, 24 hour volume: 51163.03455737, 24 hour low: 553.0, 24 hour high: 710.0, 24 hour vwap: 612.981668613
benkay: "The fact that this type of strategy is ever viable at all seems to me to suggest at least one of two possible explanations: either the futures market is relatively inefficient and dominated by unhedged directional bets taken by gamblers and speculators, or the aggregate view of the Bitcoin capital markets is that the counterparty risk created by exchanges like ICBIT is too high to support strategies that require maintaining a position
benkay: thru to settlement in order to ensure profitability."
benkay: no fucking joke
benkay: little bit of column a, little bit of column b
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: It's the drama bump
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00504804 = 0.1161 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 227 @ 0.00502 = 1.1395 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: P-p-p-powerbook - Encyclopedia Dramatica
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this one is considerably funnier
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00055001 = 0.165 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 600 @ 0.00055 = 0.33 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, but it must be established that Apple Products are a serious hotbed of fraud
asciilifeform: the practical 'joke' in the piece isn't apple-specific
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 82 @ 0.00556126 = 0.456 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.021399 = 0.6206 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0056699 = 0.6237 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.04259525 = 0.8093 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: No, but the high sticker prices seems to encourage bad behavior
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is another one of those instances where the 'avoid ritually unclean things' formula is inadequate.
BingoBoingo: Definitely. The ritual cleasing is roughly as effictive as one of those "dream catchers" with an overly coarse net on a round wooden frame
asciilifeform: the only apple-specific detail in the plot is perhaps the difficulty of removing hdd in newer apple boxes for sanitation
asciilifeform: but this is 'coming soon to a cheap x86 box near you' at any rate
asciilifeform: soldered-down ssd is SOP on virtually all ARM boxes
asciilifeform: and those are quickly overtaking the winblows pc portable
asciilifeform: 'The Market Has Spoken' (TM) that disk doesn't need to be removable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 180 @ 0.00567497 = 1.0215 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: or accessible independent of the machine it was bought in.
BingoBoingo: For sure. Then there's the problem where business and education market products which seem to have longer time until then now usually come with firmware rooted by default.
asciilifeform: thinking that problem with modern hardware is limited to 'rooting' is a failure of imagination.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00500015 = 0.18 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: enemy does not need to remotely control the box if he can encourage you to voluntarily practice bad comsec.
asciilifeform: and opsec
asciilifeform: e.g. mailing a personal box with live (!) environment to somebody.
asciilifeform: incidentally, hardware vendors are 100% solid wall behind this crap
asciilifeform: they stand to win big from the fact of bureaucrats (government and corporate both) mandating destruction of a whole machine upon write-off
asciilifeform: rather than merely the disk, with the remainder hitting the surplus market
asciilifeform: there is probably already a custom hydraulic press on the market for puncturing 'ipads' and the like
FabianB: ;;ticker --market all
asciilifeform: with different punch settings for different brands
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 682.0, vol: 52866.12433201 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 658.0, vol: 31370.83532 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 679.99, vol: 40243.08080348 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 629.3236, vol: 14258.70400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 663.98554, vol: 56.78902517 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 652.6025, vol: 346.6546334 | Volume-weighted last average: 670.529002883
BingoBoingo: I kind of imagined an Ipad destruction machine would "fold" the thing over a few times before puncturing.
asciilifeform: i have a dell laptop circa 2007 lying around in some box. it has a 'hammer here' target embossed on the bottom.
asciilifeform: (near the hdd cavity)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500008 = 2.5 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: military bureaucrats traditionally keep this simple.
the20year2: could always just blow it up
asciilifeform: this was a machine with a deliberately non-standard (40mm?) mechanical drive
BingoBoingo: Well, a hammer is usually the right tool for this kind of job
asciilifeform: the point is, none of this is pushed by people concerned with actual security or whatnot
asciilifeform: it's 100% revenue maximization
BingoBoingo: OMG look what the Ripple shill and spyware guy said https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=498002.msg5485066#msg5485066
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.005 = 0.46 BTC [-]
benkay: BingoBoingo: impossibru
BingoBoingo: Ya Rly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.005 = 1.5 BTC [-]
benkay: fuck you BingoBoingo i want my five minutes back
BingoBoingo: benkay: You are welcome
benkay: someone is sporting a foundation lifetime member badge in that thread
benkay: fml
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 989 @ 0.00490001 = 4.8461 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00499999 = 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 1.18344475 BTC to 13`595 shares, 8705 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.05900001 = 0.236 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: know what's sad? with all of the bitcoin phoundation's public goatfucking, the most commonly used client remains: the one put out by them, or whatever well-connected scammer picks up the torch.
asciilifeform: at the moment, the idiots daren't take advantage of this fact
asciilifeform: but at some point, they will
asciilifeform: perhaps when qualified 'help' materializes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00085951 = 3.0942 BTC [+]
mod6: lol, goat-rapers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1425 @ 0.000199 = 0.2836 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 976 @ 0.0001901 = 0.1855 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21188 @ 0.00085954 = 18.2119 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2033 @ 0.00019 = 0.3863 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 777 @ 0.00019 = 0.1476 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 679 @ 0.00018909 = 0.1284 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5895 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: well, i can still negrate, despite the ban. at least something.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.5895 = 1.7685 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: I dunno if people really read the forum for things other than the neg ratings anyways
ozbot: Former Central Banker Admits "[They] Are Making It Up As They Go Along" | Zero Hedge
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00085883 = 10.1342 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 833 @ 0.00018283 = 0.1523 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.073 = 0.219 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 577 @ 0.00518739 = 2.9931 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07299998 = 0.146 BTC [-]
copumpkin: kyiv post
copumpkin: I think we can tell what timezone they're talking about
copumpkin: but yeah, I agree in general :P
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: since you seem to take an interest in the subject: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2014/03/reichstag-fire-in-kiev.html
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well my interest is largely due to http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ which I hope to profit from on the "Yes" side by the arrival of Sradinian troops
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: betting on a proper, long-awaited nato vs. russian shooting war is great fun, but ww3 makes it a little hard to collect.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At the moment Bitbet seems the only real platform for hedging that risk which might deliver.
kakobrekla: just ask reddit!
ThickAsThieves: interesting
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: They forget that Bitbet and not Reddit is the court though.
ThickAsThieves: so aurawracoin is already trading? before it's been distributed to every Icelandian?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: which glorius exchange?
kakobrekla: just you wait and see how fast people stop using this shit court.
BingoBoingo: I wonder how much it costs people to retain this dude's services a'la med 20th century Boxing http://mlb.mlb.com/cutfour/index.jsp#contentId=68612078
ThickAsThieves: .088btc for one AUR?!
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Just like 0.032 BTC for a Novacoin!!!
ThickAsThieves: i wish the bet was worded better though
BingoBoingo: I February 2013
ThickAsThieves: like must have 250BTC trades in a 30-day period
ThickAsThieves: or whatever
ThickAsThieves: it says "ends up"
ThickAsThieves: wtf is that?
ThickAsThieves: does it mean on that date of closure?
ThickAsThieves: i guess thatd be the best way
kakobrekla: it would imply so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0843275 = 0.7589 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: this twitter thing in no fun if no one responds
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Who are you trying to engage?
ThickAsThieves: scammers and shills
ThickAsThieves: they so trollsilient
ozbot: Bitcoin Error Log (Bitcoin_Assets) on Twitter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Don't worry, they respond eventually.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: You may also need to pick some better targets
ThickAsThieves: suggestions?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Well you have to scope the people out a bit first and remember people like @maxkeister take the same approach to criticism Pirateat40 did, they ignore it.
ThickAsThieves: meh too much work
BingoBoingo: Like anything else the additional work is really very little when you know what to look for.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5606 @ 0.00085998 = 4.821 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i take this very seriously
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: A nice first step is checking your feed for Maybe controversial tweets from people you follow. If there are a lot of responses call out some of the idiots.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0424 = 0.1696 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: that worked before i think
ThickAsThieves: i dont need acknowledgement from the targets though
ThickAsThieves: i know they read it
ThickAsThieves: and their heart hurts a little
mod6: troll those feeds!
Duffer1: pretty much anyone related to the bitcoin foundation or max keiser should provide you with ample work TaT
deadweasel: what's the goal here, anyway?
ThickAsThieves: just my first time twittering in any notable quantity
ThickAsThieves: i'll probably bore of it in a couple weeks
ThickAsThieves: i mean, to fix the world. that's my goal
ThickAsThieves: by fix, i mean, make it what i think it should be at any given moment, ofc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 163 @ 0.0055 = 0.8965 BTC
ThickAsThieves: ;;genrate 7000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 7000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.000922589212592 BTC per day and 3.84412171913e-05 BTC per hour.
ThickAsThieves: he says his avalons make $150/day
BingoBoingo: ;;genrate 400000
gribble: The expected generation output, at 400000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 3815723798.81, is 0.0527193835767 BTC per day and 0.00219664098236 BTC per hour.
ThickAsThieves: "Well i called and talked to Ken today and he said Just Watch what happens in 3 weeks So i think that is the good news he is talking about, So i will wait the 3 weeks and reserve my judgement of everything till then"
ThickAsThieves: The FCC has issued a $1.9 million fine against Viacom, NBC Universal, and ESPN for their promotions of 2013 action movie Olympus has Fallen. According to a filing, it started receiving complaints in March of 2013, when Viacom-owned Comedy Central aired a trailer containing the two-tone emergency signal. The trailer aired several more times on other channels over the following days, and
ThickAsThieves: viewers weren't happy. "This is misleading and had our entire family running to the TV to find out what was going on, only to find it was a commercial," reads one complaint.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.0050004 = 0.51 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1498 @ 0.00500003 = 7.49 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.005 = 0.55 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.13311598 = 2.6623 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61700 @ 0.00086145 = 53.1515 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.09099999 = 0.455 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ^ such a saucy quit msg :0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00499839 = 0.8397 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: Neil yah actually that article of yours is what my intel people hit me over the head with
mircea_popescu: i remembered there's something amiss but didn't actually remember wtf it was so i ended up being all derpy about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 24 @ 0.08916749 = 2.14 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah, sorta what he could get.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 yeah, they managed to lose their customer db a week or two ago. maybe that's all they lost, who's to know at this point.
cazalla: reading the casinobitco.in feb report - if bitcoin price is lower, would it be right to assume people would be more bitcoin as it's worth less?
cazalla: yet they seem to blame low price on less bets
cazalla: and no - i did not buy any of this i just like to read what people are doing
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves on the other hand, i'd be fucking amazed if buffett is still around in 10 years
mircea_popescu: let alone 20.
ThickAsThieves: well that's how it happene dwith sdice
ThickAsThieves: if it holds true it would be an indicator now that casinobit is dwindling
mircea_popescu: cazalla if there's some such effect, it'd conceivably show slower than one month
jcpham: dat gox shitshow
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Generally, advanced age can get people to go away
cazalla: they are blaming lower volume on lower price but i would think vol would be higher with lower price
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and before it does, it can get people to be unable to evaluate the future.
mircea_popescu: o wow look at this, mpoe-pr forum heroin nao ?
mircea_popescu: or how do you say, heroess ?
cazalla: heroine?
jcpham: mircea_popescu I told someone that MPOE-PR was light years ahead of mtgox the other day
cazalla: heroiness?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think now the trend is China White, or Heroine
jcpham: pretty sure they agreed
kakobrekla: cazalla got a link to that
mircea_popescu: Neil when do you release such a wonder anyway ?
mike_c: the guy is 83, he gets a pass. he has quite a track record of not being stupid.
mircea_popescu: mike_c he easily gets a pass from me too, he can say whatever the fuck he wants
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean i'll agree with what he says tho
kakobrekla: a pdf.
kakobrekla: which includes google docs spreadsheet link.
mircea_popescu: Neil at any rate, i wasn't saying there's something wron with the compilers, i said it depends how shit's implemented. basically, a write-out of "undefined"
kakobrekla: why is the report not on facebook
mike_c: which shows a complete lack of ability to run a sportsbook.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla because facebook is for porn
mircea_popescu: o no wait.
mircea_popescu: jurov wait, reddit deletes threads ?
mircea_popescu: nah it's there, or at least i see it.
mircea_popescu: hopefully the idiot got told to get fucked by the team.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Throws a baseball too good for that. Was told to just watch actual porn and skip the tweets
mircea_popescu: not that idiot. the other idiot.
mircea_popescu: "Matheny told two reporters this morning that he spoke privately to Martinez and that he addressed the team again about their actions on social media this morning."
mircea_popescu: matheny needs to be out of a job.
mircea_popescu: this sort of irresponsible behaviour on his part is intolerable by a major.
mircea_popescu: anyway, if i owned the cardinals he'd be fired.
BingoBoingo: Problem is he is too good as well, at being grumpy and old.
mircea_popescu: fuck him.
mircea_popescu: you don't like porn, you don't get to work.
mircea_popescu: queue at the soup kitchen.
BingoBoingo: Well, when BTC tops $10,000 Maybe buy the Cardinals? Play at MPEx stadium?
ozbot: BitBet - Any altcoin will surpass Litecoin in market capitalization
benkay: mircea_popescu: u gon have a headache with that one
mircea_popescu: i'd rather buy something cool.
mircea_popescu: benkay tell me about it.
benkay: the "any coin" clause
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Make it a troll buy around $100k/BTC Matheny will prolly still be there by then.
mircea_popescu: ;;google how much did the cardinals cost last time
gribble: St. Louis Cardinals - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Louis_Cardinals>; Red Sox World Series Tickets 81% Higher Than Cardinals ... - Forbes: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/jesselawrence/2013/10/20/red-sox-world-series-tickets-81-higher-than-cardinals-tickets-for-fall-classic/>; St Louis Cardinals on the Forbes MLB Team Valuations List: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: mike_c i have no idea dood, i went to bed fully expecting to see it way lower. i come back... it's gone from 86-87 to what, 84ish
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: $150 million in 1995
mircea_popescu: owch. even at $100k / btc, it'll prolly be 10k btcs or some shit. seems excessive.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You forget that whol 'Murica collapsing part.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin can i get a summary ? i just fucking banned youtube.
BingoBoingo: 100k/BTC might be as forgetable a milestone as silver parity
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: the pope saying "cazzo"
copumpkin: during an address
mircea_popescu: isn't hte pope argentine ?!
mircea_popescu: he cusses in italian ?!
copumpkin: yeah, giving a speech in italian
copumpkin: it was a mistake, he was trying to say "caso"
mircea_popescu: holy perra hermano!
copumpkin: but it was unambiguously cazzo
mircea_popescu: til : spanish is quite well gender balanced :
mircea_popescu: Then I touched her cunt.
mircea_popescu: Entonces le toqué la concha.
mircea_popescu: Entonces le toqué el mico.
mircea_popescu: Entonces le toque el coño.
mircea_popescu: Entonces le toque la panocha.
mircea_popescu: two masculine cunts, two feminine cunts.
mircea_popescu: lmao ken slaughter says THREE weeks ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.00495005 = 0.6782 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.00648 = 0.1296 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: [ActiveMining] Official Shareholder Discussion Thread [Moderated]
ozbot: Kennesaw State orders museum to remove are on racist past of woman whose land was given to universit
Duffer1: common B-A injuries: severe bruising from facepalm repetition, permanent eyeroll syndrome
mircea_popescu: wait women are a race ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Maybe to aspies?
mircea_popescu: "Out of this cesspool of vice rises that hideous monster, a possible menace to every home in the South. He has the savage nature and murderous instincts of the wild beast, plus the cunning and lust of a fiend."
asciilifeform: took a break from my usual doings, wrote psot:
mircea_popescu: "But her legacy has always been tarnished by the racist views that launched her career." / "but we've never managed to cope with the fact that people in the past did not think very much of the stereotypes we today hold dear"
ozbot: Loper OS » Modern Chumpatronic Engineering.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18552 @ 0.00085969 = 15.949 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Ban SPAM!!!
kakobrekla: sorry about that.
BingoBoingo: Is Diablo-D3 still banned?
mircea_popescu: is anyone still banned ?
mircea_popescu: are you married ?
mircea_popescu: do you mind if we keep asking you questions until you answer yes ?
mircea_popescu: did you ever have sex with an eskimo and/or navy seal ?
mircea_popescu: anything good on tv ?
mircea_popescu: did you write a script for this yet ?
mircea_popescu: did you accept jesus in your heart and other cavities ?
kakobrekla: well, not at the same time.
mircea_popescu: aite, i'm satisfied.
mircea_popescu: wait, so siblings may not kiss in the us ?!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Generally not
mircea_popescu: fucking weird country that.
wao-ender: indeed.
wao-ender: such normal in Europe.
mircea_popescu: She said the two had been living in a motel with her 2-year-old twin daughters
BingoBoingo: Arised because another TwoBitIdiot like account https://twitter.com/ryanxcharles raised the issue of a Bitcoin Texas nonference
mircea_popescu: dude wtf, living in a motel ? what's that, like 50 bucks a night?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Depends on the motel, could go as low as $50 a week if the interstate is too fat.
BingoBoingo: or far
mircea_popescu: "How many incestuous half siblings does it take to screw in a lightbulb? You do the meth." << ahaha
mircea_popescu: gawker comments way better than gawker
BingoBoingo: For sure. Like Slashdot, or Ars.
mircea_popescu: "wow! this website is a scam, can we get a link to reddit and bitcointalk.org protest time!"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what the fuck are we doing with that retarded altcoin bet.
kakobrekla: kill all humans.
BingoBoingo: Flip a coin?
BingoBoingo: Preferably on of thickastheives's altcoins?
mircea_popescu: no but srsly.
wao-ender: I like it
wao-ender: huge pot in
kakobrekla: first of all
kakobrekla: what does "ends up" zactly mean
mircea_popescu: first of all i'm banning that retarded site, it's a signal about as good as pissing in the snow.
ozbot: Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations | Bitcoin Ripple Auroracoin Litecoin Peercoin Dogecoin Nxt Ma
wao-ender: I like art in snow.
wao-ender: with piss
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it's... ambiguous
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0432 = 0.1728 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: even more interesting is
kakobrekla: that the bet does not exclude ripple
mircea_popescu: ripple is not a coin tho
benkay: what is a coin?
kakobrekla: who am i?
mircea_popescu: gotta have a blockchain at a minimum neh ?
kakobrekla: they have some sort of blockchain
mircea_popescu: i mean otherwise what, facebook is a coin
wao-ender: it isn't ?!
mircea_popescu: mk ima go take a coinpiss and brb
kakobrekla: im selling all my facebucks then.
wao-ender: use buttcoins only please.
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, i have a serious problem just giving 15 btc to some dorks who went and did what basically ?
mircea_popescu: aurora coin has nothing, atc is more fleshed out than it.
mircea_popescu: "we are going to help iceland"
mircea_popescu: it's not even fucking legal to trade btc in iceland.
kakobrekla: but at the end of the day its what the bet sez and what you can prove not what the truth is.
wao-ender: yeah
wao-ender: but aur doubled, nice pump & dump
benkay: it /is/ a coin.
kakobrekla: bitfury was such example.
benkay: just like atc and ltc and dgc
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is also true
mircea_popescu: "#2551 5,638 BTC volume."
mircea_popescu: where is it even listed ?
kakobrekla: i was wondering myself
kakobrekla: didnt find it
decimation: asciilifeform your blog post is good. I think the root of the issue (the reason why chumps bow prostrate to their masters) is that the chumps fail to distinguish fantasy from reality
decimation: a trustworth bitcoin exchange should exist, this is an exchange, therefore it is trustworthy?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: it at least makes me feel better that you were surprised too.
kakobrekla: it could be the guys set up something nonpublic and gave the guy the feed
mircea_popescu: decimation you ever read that grand tlp piece re trading ?
kakobrekla: now they just herp derp there
kakobrekla: while everyone is scratching heads
decimation: not sure, possibly
mircea_popescu: mike_c i capitulated re s.mpoe price making any sense like a year ago
mircea_popescu: i dun claim to understand it. maybe better minds later on.
ozbot: MtGox source code leaked ...
mircea_popescu: o hey look at that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08916021 = 0.4458 BTC [-] {3}
joecool: posting this so nobody loses sleep
joecool: <MagicalTux> [07:10:14] <joecool> MagicalTux: kalyhost going to continue operations? <- that's the plan
mircea_popescu: "Does Deutsche Bank use php? Does HSBC use fucking MYSQL??? Do any of those banks comment out lines in production code for debugging?!?!?!?"
mircea_popescu: i suspek forum noobs would be mighty surprised.
decimation: I would be shocked if they didn't
joecool: probably all asp, the pinnacle of security
wao-ender: no, fortran!
mircea_popescu: joecool anyone use them other than forum ?
mike_c: bank software is probably terrible. i highly doubt they have good programmers.
mircea_popescu: anyway, commented out lines in production software are more common than web designers.
joecool: mike_c: windows server 2003 is stable ok?
mircea_popescu: heck, linux kernel has commented out lines
mircea_popescu: (or at least had, i'm not really following)
joecool: mircea_popescu: still does, i need to see how many uses of "fuck" they still have in source
mike_c: commented out lines are pretty bad (or at least a pet peeve). that's what source control is for.
joecool: used to have a tracker for that
decimation: what's wrong with commenting out lines of code? they are crumbs for students
mike_c: what's wrong is they make the code less readable, thereby making it harder for the 2nd programmer who has to touch the code.
joecool: mostly scheduler stuff, because nobody can make up mind how how to schedule tasks for 64k cpu's vs. a typical desktop
kakobrekla: i dont think forum is still on kalyhost
mircea_popescu: joecool > 42
kakobrekla: joecool well, he thought and say same for gox.
joecool: kakobrekla: well its ok though, MT says kalyhost is staying in operation
joecool: we have to believe him
mircea_popescu: mike_c pet or nonpet, fact.
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: who cares about source code
Bugpowder: 20GB of user docs leacked
kakobrekla: am i the only one so retarded to read the footer of the forum
kakobrekla: >Sponsored by Private Internet Access, a Bitcoin-accepting VPN.
mircea_popescu: wait vpn ?
mircea_popescu: forum is on virtual hosting ?
kakobrekla: vpn is not vps
mircea_popescu: i guess that's kind-of impressing actually.
kakobrekla: but afaik they host them
mircea_popescu: yeah my blind.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder this is re the very concerning leak at mtgox,
mircea_popescu: in that ~20gb worth of idiots' passport scans are now in the wild.
Bugpowder: yeah.... GOD DAMN IT
mircea_popescu: these are EXTREMELY vulnerable people, because most of them have either forced their bank to accept "weird" txs
mircea_popescu: or even signed ok's for "weird" txs.
mircea_popescu: getting out of an identity theft mess will be a royal pain in the loins
ozbot: Goxed - Pastebin.com
Bugpowder: My friends are not happy
Bugpowder: nor am I
mircea_popescu: i can' read all that. exec summary ?
Bugpowder: just find nanashi and read all his comments
Bugpowder: he didn't hack it
Bugpowder: they may release a torrent
Bugpowder: they say no personal info released of users
Bugpowder: they won't release personal info
Bugpowder: (probably they will sell that instead of leak it :(
Bugpowder: That motherfuckering tool.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder ya well who toldja to use gox.
Bugpowder: You said OTC
TATrilllaInTehMi: I think u gotta take 'ends up' as 'when this bet closes'
Bugpowder: little did I expect OTC to be the SAFE routh
Bugpowder: route
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
decimation: well, at the very least with OTC damage is limited and healing
Bugpowder: The user data all stored in mySQL
mircea_popescu: this is what strategic soundness is
Bugpowder: Dude was more concerned with putting a frappachino cafe in his own fucking building than using svn.
mircea_popescu: course, it IS possible the leaked thing is not actually their code.
ozbot: NameHomeMobilePersonal EmailEmergency ContactEmergency Number Adam Turner - Pastebin.com
asciilifeform: karpeles had a wife?
mircea_popescu: "I think what concerns me more than anything is that they're rounding some of their values."
mircea_popescu: lol o look, twitter beleeted, picasa beleeted, aww.
asciilifeform: was something there?
Bugpowder: borked
asciilifeform: empty now.
kakobrekla: maybe its his cat.
Bugpowder: Apple Pie?
mircea_popescu: kinda fun that everyone was acutally fucking japanese girls.
mircea_popescu: imagine these kids, you know ? buncha weaboos start card trading website
mircea_popescu: end up affording to move to japan and pork lolis all dai
mircea_popescu: talk about living the dream.
asciilifeform: well, 'first ecstasy, then laundry.'
TATrilllaInTehMi: is the fill fox DB in the wild yet?
decimation: they never did the laundry apparently
mircea_popescu: TATrilllaInTehMi afawk.
ivet: can anyone direct me to a good irc channel for bitstamp trading?
TATrilllaInTehMi: afawk=dunno?
BingoBoingo: ivet: Maybe get a cloak first?
mircea_popescu: as far as we know
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07727271 = 0.85 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: does #bitstamp exist ?
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: such noobs, le wow.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00085761 = 15.9515 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: bitstamp tard came spamming re bitstamp back in 2012 or what was it, to such extent that he got a k-line
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00494475 = 1.9779 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 65736.15109940 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 643.2, vol: 41149.86071 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 680.0, vol: 49700.76269936 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 644.809386, vol: 16392.57100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 670.89335, vol: 67.80058344 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 663.4488, vol: 419.40543934 | Volume-weighted last average: 667.901191362
kakobrekla: >Dj Dope
kakobrekla: 12:32 AM (3 minutes ago) > hey guys can you resolve this as a yes, aurora already almost doubled and everyone else agrees? thanx
BingoBoingo: Looks like BTC has serious drama support this week
kakobrekla: mp everyone else agrees.
kakobrekla: that has to be THE merit.
kakobrekla: what u say eh
ThickAsThieves: i left a disagree
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yes everyone agrees, let's send the winners to gox.
ozbot: BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)
mircea_popescu: i dunno, to me this entire shit looks like a transparent attempt of the quoted site to made 10 btc or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the entire auroracoin thing looks like it cost less than what the bet would bring in.
BingoBoingo: So verdict is "Yes" everyone gets beta access to Gox 2 Electric Bugabear
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00085703 = 3.9423 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, anyone got a link to any place auroracoin thing is actually traded ?
ThickAsThieves: add to the FAQ: In a circumstance where an accepted bet is determined to have unreliable determining factors, BitBet shall choose factors as best it can, or refund all bets at its own discretion.
BingoBoingo: Refund everybody minus fee? "Poorly spec's BitBEt Med getting whipped"
ThickAsThieves: www.cryptsy.com
ozbot: Cryptsy - AUR/BTC Market
mircea_popescu: eh get the fuck out, cryptsy never saw 1k btc in its entire existence
ThickAsThieves: surely it has
ThickAsThieves: but i still agree
ThickAsThieves: this is way fishy
ThickAsThieves: and a scam
BingoBoingo: It is a lesson in forcing better specs
ThickAsThieves: should probably just refund everyone
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i can't ok this. i mean i couldn't care less either way, it's bettors' btc on either side of the bet.
ThickAsThieves: i have a bet in there
mircea_popescu: but for the love of the sanctity of marriage...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can't fucking push it either, it's a legitimate contention.
BingoBoingo: I mean scamcoin tricks suggest forcing people to either spec better signals or kill MPOE bot
kakobrekla: firstly, how will you handle 'ends up' ?
kakobrekla: was there an answer to this
ThickAsThieves: if it's legitimate it was from day 1
ThickAsThieves: i think 'ends up' is important to define
kakobrekla: secondly, it doesnt specify if it has to be minable/premined or to which extent that can be
BingoBoingo: This might be a good time to suggest a BitBet, "Bitbet to not accept further Altcoin Marketcap bets in 2014"
ThickAsThieves: 'ends' has a menaing after all
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nope
ThickAsThieves: precedent at bitbet is to say 'above x rate at any time, or by a specific time' etc
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla well it specifies "coin"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 806 @ 0.00480085 = 3.8695 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: it specifies 'altcoin'
ThickAsThieves: in the headline at least
mircea_popescu: most fucked up bet of 2013 award
ThickAsThieves: where is AUR blockchain viewable?
mircea_popescu: the sad irony of it all beinbg that i hazily recall mod asking me if i see a problem and me saying no.
ThickAsThieves: can coins in circulation be confirmed?
mircea_popescu: i guess i was right... it's not that there's A problem.
BingoBoingo: Nah, most fucked up might get litigated around 12 UTC
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i guess if someone can be bothered to install their wallet.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not icelandic
mircea_popescu: maybe we should just crash it.
BingoBoingo: x-bt doesn't trade it though
mircea_popescu: "bitbet resolves dubious bet by crashing dubious altscam into the ground"
ThickAsThieves: what websites has bitbet allowed as proof in the past?
ThickAsThieves: any others?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for he record, Лохотрон is way better than "Chumpatron"
kakobrekla: ThickAsThieves lots.
mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but of course.
mircea_popescu: blockchain
ThickAsThieves: those dont have alts
mircea_popescu: well you askd
ThickAsThieves: i meant for altcoin bets
mircea_popescu: not really many alt bets allowed till recently.
asciilifeform: 'you go to war with' the pidgin you have, not the literary language you wish you had...
mircea_popescu: also i think tpoh does not even nearly map on the english tron
mircea_popescu: which is more like... half of the tron troff pair than anything
BingoBoingo: Fuck, Imma have to learn Russian by June aren't I
ThickAsThieves: how about i tell which side i bet on and you just resolve it to that?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: by april!
ThickAsThieves: as good a criteria as any here !
mircea_popescu: "russian by june" sounds like a good book
mircea_popescu: provided june is a hawt ukrainian blondy
ThickAsThieves: Only Fools Russian
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If they come this fast I live way to close to a trascom outpost.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i imagine you're on the no side
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.04242 = 0.8484 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i wont tell you, otherwise Scam accusations
kakobrekla: it cant resolve as no yet
asciilifeform: once met a military type (american) who knew just one russian phrase, but knew it very well: 'don't shoot - i know secrets'
mircea_popescu: good phrase to know.
BingoBoingo: I've been learning in the wrong direction then. My first phrase was "Fuck your mother горничная"
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: did that key work?
copumpkin: oh, sorry, must've been offline or mentally impaired
copumpkin: thanks!
mircea_popescu: have fun
copumpkin tries his magic stat
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: If you want a lower stakes pro sports team https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontier_Greys is probably available for under 300 BTC and... No facilities to maintain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23950 @ 0.00085861 = 20.5637 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: or alternatively i could hire twenty cocksucking "masseuses" for like 12 btc a season and have the porniest pro sports team in da werld
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: one of these days, you ought to write 'n00b guide' to sports bets. for instance, i grew up thinking of the whole concept as a chumpatron (lusers bet, the sports meisters throw matches & pocket the chumpatronium)
peterl: didnt the "lingerie leauge" or whatever they call it try that?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Sauget Illinois is pretty much strip clubs and nothing else
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, you're exactly correct,
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That actually isn't far from the truth
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: whee, it works!!!!!
mircea_popescu: line betting is essentially someone getting in between bitbet and the luser, offering "services" and other customer supports.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin wd!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and i don't mean this stylistically. it is factually and quite mathematically exact.
copumpkin: what are these strange cxbtc things I have
mircea_popescu: copumpkin well if you had smpoe and didn't log in for a year you prolly got a buncha divs and whatnot
copumpkin: oh sweet
mircea_popescu: kinda how finance works.
copumpkin: MPOE is by far the best investment I've ever made if you count how much I paid for it and how much it has grown and BTC has grown
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: SPorts betting at its essence boild down to finding players and ownership groups with such animosity towards one another that throwing the game isn't and option.
copumpkin: investment/gamble :P
mircea_popescu: so good for you.
copumpkin: better for you :)
mircea_popescu: i'm sure you can find a buncha daytrading lokhs that know way better.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: seems like a serious amount of work to do, simply in order to make a fair gamble.
mircea_popescu: "so far my best investment was, buy some mpex stocks and not logging in for a year"
mircea_popescu: sounds like fightin' words in forum land.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.0424 = 0.848 BTC [-]
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: oh, I'm an index fund kinda guy, and I scoff at daytraders
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: remember my 'test drive' of mpex? that's all i did...
copumpkin scoffs at daytraders
mircea_popescu: what do we know.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It can be. While winning a bet is the best outcome, the best expectable outcome is betting on a game that provides a decent "sweat"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00085885 = 10.8645 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this is an interesting point
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is a quite legitimate business endeavour. mpex is designed so that people can make their own brokerages and serve demographics on top of it.
mircea_popescu: bitbet is so made that people can run their own line books backed on it
mircea_popescu: growth enabling strategy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.59909839 = 2.9955 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00479 = 0.479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: course, this shit takes professionalism (of the actual kind), so there's not that much being done so far.
peterl: copumkin: great way to invest if you have the patience to not get in your own way
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The nature of how baseball works lends a lot of games to beign interesting sweats. Less so with hockey, still far less with Handegg, and almost never does an interesting sweat come from basketball.
mircea_popescu: why is this ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: because of some intrinsic fact about the games? or mere historical happenstance?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Intrinsic facts in this ordering.
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
BingoBoingo: Baseball's offense is based on an action that at best succeeds 1/3 of the time.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.0056745 = 0.1873 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: Hockey similarly relys on accidental scoring.
BingoBoingo: With Handegg, generally there is a better team and that team wins.
mircea_popescu: so this makes them better sweats ?
mircea_popescu: ah cause randomness ?
BingoBoingo: With basketball pointshaving is a thing.
mircea_popescu: ;;google pointshaving
gribble: Point shaving - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shaving>; Jo (pointshaving) on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/pointshaving>; What is Point Shaving? - Basketball - About.com: <http://basketball.about.com/od/collegebasketballglossary/g/point-shaving.htm>
ThickAsThieves: by sweat you mean suspense?
peterl: I seem to remember reading that good baseball teams lose to bad teams more often than good basketball teams lose to bad teams
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Exactly
BingoBoingo: Even the Miami Marlins win some games
mircea_popescu: oh i see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 26 @ 0.02142205 = 0.557 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 735 @ 0.00475315 = 3.4936 BTC [-] {12}
BingoBoingo: Bets are not investments
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo amusingly, i just rewatched every given sunday earlier
mircea_popescu: miami... sharks was it ?
kakobrekla: <BingoBoingo> mircea_popescu: Yeah. Randomness makes more Interesting bets. < that explains the just dice!
nubbins`: ^ heh
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the movie. IRL the dolphins at that level.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: The difference is dice players aren't patient enough to wait two hours to find out how they rolled.
mircea_popescu: " According to the 1999 Gambling Impact Study, an estimated $80 billion to $380 billion was illegally bet each year on sporting events in the United States. This estimate dwarfed the $2.5 billion legally bet each year in Nevada"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00469999 = 0.5875 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "The CEO of Reddit has personally gone to bitcointalk to warn users to not invest in an IPO coin "Redditcoin" and warn they will take action if it is released."
ThickAsThieves: take action how?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, Nevada has no professional teams
kakobrekla: coingen it tat
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: imagine if technology were possible! he could simply whisper 'this turd will not bear my pgp signature' and be done.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves sue, basically.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that technology would basically be... imagine if poor people had no money.
mircea_popescu: that's all the needed technology.
ThickAsThieves: shit the last thing i need is reddit after me
ThickAsThieves: i dont have enough firsts or walls
asciilifeform: i mean, it is a deep mystery to me why it should ever remain in doubt whether 'X endorses Y'
asciilifeform: given that we have public key crypto
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "It is of negative survival value in the context of financial collapse." << this is strictly untrue.
mircea_popescu: trustfulness is actually always positive, and much more so in stressed environments.
ThickAsThieves: so there's some kinda chatter about some bitcoin news tomorrow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only as 'part of a balanced diet!' with a working 'Friend Or Foe' detector.
ThickAsThieves: could explain the rally
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves just ver & co trying to wash the foundation thing.
kakobrekla: how ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, i mean this. gedank :
ozbot: Twitter / niccary: This is going to be an exciting ...
mircea_popescu: two sets of chumps, separated by semipermeable membrane. on left, trustfull, on right untrustful chumps.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1774 @ 0.00460426 = 8.168 BTC [-] {7}
kakobrekla: maybe its theseckritbitcoinproject.io
mircea_popescu: simple minded sociopaths arise in both compartments with the same, god dictated frequency.
mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustful side easily and frictionlessly builds army, wipes other side.
mike_c: haha. from that twitter page: "@niccary @marketmakers @Bloomberg @blockchain did the price of #bitcoin go up as to insider trading?"
mircea_popescu: sociopath on trustless side wastes all his time being paul fucking atreides, wasting his time fighting the freemen leaders.
mike_c: insider trading on bitcoin!!
mike_c: moar regulations please
BingoBoingo: ;;nigger --market all
gribble: Error: "nigger" is not a valid command.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.02216199 = 1.1081 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5801 = 1.1602 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 673.26, vol: 64724.23883599 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 641.724, vol: 40894.4983 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 670.5, vol: 50996.06328152 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 641.018476, vol: 16685.66700000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 666.9435, vol: 67.8440946 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 671.50415, vol: 431.73359996 | Volume-weighted last average: 661.927690152
ozbot: Texas Bitcoin Conference - Hackathon
ThickAsThieves: surely someone here can nab that $1m
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is correct, depending on the playing field. not everyone is inclined to build armies, though - some folks just want to kill & eat their neighbors.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00567493 = 0.1078 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but it is not actually sociopathic to kill the trustful.
ThickAsThieves: "Up to 49% of your team can be remote."
mircea_popescu: basically, the story here is that statistically, the trustfull will fare better.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, the strategy of the woman that goes "i like you, fuck me please" actually beats into shit the strategy of the woman that plays the aloof wallflower.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 13 @ 0.02219999 = 0.2886 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22950 @ 0.00085885 = 19.7106 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as counterintuitive and mother-in-law-wisdom contradictory this may seem.
cazalla: wonder if gox actually deleted account and personal details as they said they would after 90 days (from memory i was 90)
asciilifeform: my first imagined picture, when reading mr. o's bit, was the demise of the dodo bird.
mike_c: cazalla: do you really wonder?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ебать его
BingoBoingo: I will write this n00b guide to sports bets
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00459999 = 0.92 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00567494 = 0.1702 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but a dodo is not a chump.
BingoBoingo: And in the process teach people how to only lose 30% pr year
mircea_popescu: your own definition includes free will.
ThickAsThieves: "Iceland’s Auroracoin Passes Litecoin, Becomes Third Largest Altcoin by Market Cap" coindesk...
asciilifeform: well, the animal is often described as having had an... inadequate reaction to predators, having lives as it did without them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00459 = 0.2341 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: enky says "Auroracoin is premined, it doesnt make sense to look the marketcap"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that part is true. but it was not capable of useful work.
mircea_popescu: compare for better results the fate of various subhuman tribes encountered by europeans.
mircea_popescu: the ones that failed to suck cock rapidly, eagerly and well are now extinct.
asciilifeform: i do wonder what, if anything, has been heard of the Yanomami indians since that time when traders supplied them with shotguns...
mircea_popescu: aztecs made hernan cortes king. aztecs still exist today. sioux though it proper to oppose. sioux are gone.
BingoBoingo: Well in that case the ones who never encountered small pox before are equally extinct.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: didn't you have something about popescuity at some point?
copumpkin: I don't see it anymore :(
mircea_popescu: copumpkin yeah it was a signed message in like... 2011 ?
BingoBoingo: And the Sious did outlast the Aztecs.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo how you figure ?
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: damn, I'm out of date :(
kakobrekla sends some date to copumpkin
ThickAsThieves: so i posted the link to The Last Question on facebook, and it only got Likes from jesus lovers
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00562006 = 0.1124 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Aztec descendents survived on their women's lubrication and in that course became something different. Sioux staying pure now merely sell gas for $6 per gallon to people who can't stay on the interstate.
mircea_popescu: so i've been reading stan's last post for the past fucking hour, becase you people are killing any shred of productivity.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i kinda count "Becoming something different" as survival.
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's the key to survival.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1742 @ 0.00459 = 7.9958 BTC [-]
cazalla: mike_c: not really :\ i am hopeful they did delete my ID as they said they would after i closed my account
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well it counts as personal survival, but not cultural survival. It's a mindset. A flawed one. But it is the one dominant on this continent in spite of wrongness.
mircea_popescu: cazalla all that hopeful and five dollars buys you a cup of coffee.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo shitty cultures aren't going to survive anyway.
mircea_popescu: people took 25k years to come up with... pottery ? fuck them, you don't even want that shit to survive.
mircea_popescu: kind-of why the only thought the collapse of the us evokes in my head is... well... good riddance.
mircea_popescu: i'd much more regret the russians should they go, even as they've been unmitigated assholes their entire history.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The bigger problem is they had buffalo that many years and never managed to turn them into cows.
mircea_popescu: at least good novels. plus good words.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo some argument can be brought that a relative lack of readily available iron made them kind-of stone-age-bound 4ever.
mircea_popescu: imo it's a weak argument.
BingoBoingo: Wisconsin had plenty of easy Iron
mircea_popescu: i mean... most of yurp had no iron
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00459 = 0.8996 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sweden did, and it was enough.
BingoBoingo: The problem was they used Iron to shape flint and not the right way
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.0046 = 0.1886 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: no but i mean... nobody forbade that, you know ?
mircea_popescu: they could have shoved it up their butts too,
BingoBoingo: Still an interesting alternate history it would be if the filthy spanish did not small pox the continent and therby give the English the chance to colonize
mircea_popescu: just as long as they made some tenochtitlan steel sabres cca 1300
mircea_popescu: he looks like such a total derp, too
BingoBoingo: I some alternate history Ohio could have been the real Afghanistan
mircea_popescu: they give stars to anyone now.
asciilifeform: 'those were the great roaring 90s, we survived as well as we could'
asciilifeform: multiple generations of derps killed their predecessors, ending with a final crop of mostly-functional beings
mircea_popescu: but tha tdouche ? srsly ?
asciilifeform: as described, in great detail, elsewhere
mircea_popescu: people are rolling in graves.
mircea_popescu: "if you give that fucking nimrod 1500 i'll shoot him on general principle"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm telling you can't be more than 20 BTC next year to take them http://www.frontierleague.com/teams/frontier-greys/
BingoBoingo: Check the history of the town they are headquartered in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sauget,_Illinois
ozbot: Transactions | Frontier League
BingoBoingo: Seriously the formula should be buy a frontier league team, hire some MLB players
mircea_popescu: what's OF SS etc
BingoBoingo: Profit
BingoBoingo: OF is outfield
BingoBoingo: SS is Shortstop
mircea_popescu: "The population was 249 at the 2000 census." hah
mircea_popescu: Sauget was incorporated as "Monsanto" in 1926. It was formed to provide a liberal regulatory environment and low taxes for the Monsanto chemical plants at a time when local jurisdictions had most of the responsibility for environmental rules. It was renamed in honor of Leo Sauget, its first Village President
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, No one but Monsanto and strip clubs actually are in the city limits
mircea_popescu: i wouldn't buy that shit if it was free.
BingoBoingo: Well they haven't had a mayor not named Sauget in nearly a century
BingoBoingo: Fuedalism is alive and well in /Murica
mircea_popescu: The Monsanto plant in Sauget was also home to a serious accident in January 1992 when worker Charles Pritchett was critically hurt. Pritchett was caught in an auger used for moving small materials and shredding rubber. He was stuck in the auger for five hours while officials attempted to extract him. Pritchett was in a coma for three months and pronounced dead twice. Pritchett's leg was eventually amputated due to infe
mircea_popescu: ction and the severity of the mutilation. Judge C. Glenn Stevens awarded the man $16,000,000 in 1993 to compensate him. To satisfy the judgment, the Midwest Rubber Reclaiming plant and equipment owned by the Monsanto Corporation was sold at auction in August 1993. The site has since been leveled with no future prospects for development.
BingoBoingo: herp, It was reclaimed for still more strip clubs
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36300 @ 0.00086013 = 31.2227 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: what's a working girl make there ?
BingoBoingo: Depends on the tits and how not black she is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.09099433 = 0.273 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: white c cup
BingoBoingo: hundreds a night if she's fat and black, thousands if the ain's fat and lighter. White C cup would prolly work in Caseyville where the money is better
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.0046 = 0.1426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8550 @ 0.00085996 = 7.3527 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Especially at 24
mircea_popescu: thousands a night ?
mircea_popescu: wow, more than most start-ups.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That East Saint Welfare
mircea_popescu: need moar #womenintech, because currently they're not fucktarded enough to work really long hours doing relaly anyoing shit for very little money.
BingoBoingo: For Srs.
mircea_popescu: fact : the ~average~ entrepreneur will not have made by age 40 as much money as the average hs floozie working the stripping joints in saget, il made.
BingoBoingo: Cause they only make 4x what then men driving the trucks make
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Most of those floozies make more than the doctors that patronize them make
mircea_popescu: not oft said enough.
BingoBoingo: And then they turn 30
BingoBoingo: Once they turn 30 some horses at Fairmount park sell their jizz for more than the floozie's going rate.
mircea_popescu: "I move that MPOE-PR be appointed supreme dictator of the Bitcoin Foundation.
mircea_popescu: Hopefully these will be the first orders of business: dissolve, disband, liquidate."
mircea_popescu: dude imagine, a chick being emperor of bitcoin.
BingoBoingo: So much fanfiction would happen
asciilifeform: why the hell not
mircea_popescu: you two answered each other.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Does Hanna have thoughts on these developments? Other than "finally" and oter breif quips?
mircea_popescu: you'll have to ask her i guess.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00469999 = 1.1233 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9004 @ 0.00086034 = 7.7465 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Eh, I don't go on Bitcointalk that often anymoar
BingoBoingo: I also have to do this paper on n00b sportbetting for asciilifeform
BingoBoingo: And find ALL of the satoshi communications
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not direly essential, i think i got the basic idea from your summary
BingoBoingo: Ans still try to double those ATC holding
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, n00bs don't read -assets so I might as well write it for them.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0047 = 0.3619 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.0047 = 2.0492 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: not wasted effort, writing things up
mircea_popescu: "The last time the Chicago Cubs won a World Series, the Ottoman Empire still existed."
BingoBoingo: And that is why I try not to travel futher north than I-70
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22230 @ 0.00086215 = 19.1656 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: And Cubs fans drink this swill called "Old Style" which isn't strong enough to be a malt liquor or palatable enough to be a beer.
mircea_popescu: clearly military brothels aren't what they used to be
BingoBoingo: As I write the noob sports betting article, I'd like to open a quick survey. What team would people pick to take the World Series this year?
mircea_popescu: lol the churkin performance at the un is pretty lulzy
asciilifeform: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i couldn't name a tea,
mircea_popescu: check that out, they only got 1% ish respond to mobilization orders ?
mircea_popescu: people all derping around about war. if a general mobilization order issued by the ukraine is ignored so, who the fuck is going to go to war ? france ?
mircea_popescu: maybe if they make the war 4 hours a day and everyone the same height.
asciilifeform: 'make w0r in your sp4r3 t1m3'
ozbot: BMO customer's account emptied of $87K as bank falls for scam - British Columbia - CBC News
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: When I wrote the electric boogaloo bet, France's boots were the ones I imagined solving it as Yes
nubbins`: BMO = canada's 4th-largest bank
mircea_popescu: how did you think that one
BingoBoingo: Or Sardinia's boots
mircea_popescu: nubbins` pretty funny.
ThickAsThieves: i'd bet on the Red Sox
ThickAsThieves: but i'm from there
ThickAsThieves: which i suppose is relevant
ThickAsThieves: sweat factor n all
BingoBoingo: Nah, Players as old as big Pappi don't get consecutive good seasons
ThickAsThieves: oh i dont watch baseball anymore
ThickAsThieves: only when i worked at a newspaper
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And this is why you follow AsicMiner and not things more interesting to drink to.
ThickAsThieves: i dont drink really
ThickAsThieves: other than for the taste sometimes
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: And your lack of drinking is why you care about shit like ASICMiner
ThickAsThieves: once i fell out of it, it just makes me sleepy and feel crappy
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Building a habit takes work
BingoBoingo: So does building an addiction
ThickAsThieves: i put plenty time in during my 20s
ThickAsThieves: i get bored with everything eventually
BingoBoingo: For some reason I suspect your 20's weren't very roaring...
ThickAsThieves: i'm even bored with getting bored with things
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Maybe it is time to see what Abercrombie tastes like?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wow, orlov is pro moscow ?!
ThickAsThieves: i ahev my stories
BingoBoingo: What would Hemmingway do?
mircea_popescu: how the hell does that work ? just because he dislikes the usg ?
ThickAsThieves: arrests, fights, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not exactly - mostly anti-u.s./'international community'
asciilifeform: or rather, anti-anglo
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I'm still out on bail since last spring
mircea_popescu: but it can't seriously be contemplated ukrainians'd fare better under putin than under merkel
mircea_popescu: or is it ?
ThickAsThieves: well then
mircea_popescu: i mean... eu in no way means anglo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: under merkel << time for a 'joke'
ozbot: How 'synthetic' identity fraud costs Canada $1B a year - Canada - CBC News
BingoBoingo: Oh, In simple western terms mircea_popescu takes a 180 from IRC mircea
asciilifeform: russian derper: 'if we'd let the jerries win, we'd be riding in mercedes benz now!'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo huh ?
asciilifeform: counter-derper: 'as the leather seats'
nubbins`: "In one case, Kelly suspects the person used in the scheme had poor English skills and, through miscommunication, wrote down what he believed was the fake name he was supposed to use, which was apparently flashing across his computer screen. This fake identity went on to have an effective credit rating, a driver’s licence, bank accounts, a telephone and an apartment (with renter’s insurance). And
nubbins`: all under the name: Server Froze."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol
mircea_popescu: server froze is actrually not a bad name
mircea_popescu: for a lead vocal of a postpunk band
nubbins`: certainly, mister froze
nubbins`: just sign here
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Twitter you sounds rather pro-Putin IRC you sounds rather fuck everybody. Unfortunatly people miss the Trilema you fuck everybody needs to be literal
mircea_popescu: it's mister server
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not pro putin in any sense. it's just that most of the people ending up in my feed are english speaking propaganda agents
mircea_popescu: so i tend to give them a hard time
nubbins`: vladimir poutine
nubbins`: wouldn't be able to take the guy seriously if he wasn't such a fucking hardass
mircea_popescu: he's a pretty decent hardass.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like reaganesque i guess
mircea_popescu: still tryin' huh.
mircea_popescu: why can't he just make an altcoin like any well behaved scammer and fade into the bitbucket.
asciilifeform: orlov's view seems to be that usg/nato/allies wreck countries (near east, etc.) to retard development -> to throttle resource consumption, create captive markets a la the brits at their peak, churn mil. inventory, 'controllable chaos' to feed various parasites.
asciilifeform: this is by no means an uncommon view.
mircea_popescu: it's not factually correct tho.
BingoBoingo: Well, it is important to remember that a lot of what made Reagan Reaganesque was his Buffet like dementia
mircea_popescu: what examples do we have ? hungary, slovenia, slovakia, czech, poland, romania, bulgaria, take your pick ?
BingoBoingo: Eh, why not pick on the polaks?
BingoBoingo: They had Ukraine first.
mircea_popescu: all these countries re-industrialised after the soviet collapse.
mircea_popescu: kinda indifferent which you pick
asciilifeform: did they?
asciilifeform: i suppose it depends on what you think of as 'industry'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For values of first not == Mongols
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd you consider a fair measure ?
ThickAsThieves: LTC hit hard on AUR news
mircea_popescu: romania finished 2 nucelar reactors that the soviets/local commies tried to get going for 15 years, and now exports electricity.
mircea_popescu: is this a measure ?
mircea_popescu: i really could keep on going.
asciilifeform: other cases (latvia) not so hot.
mircea_popescu: latvia is a very small unfortunate plot of land tho
asciilifeform: main export, unskilled labour
mircea_popescu: i mean... some geographical zones will just die out if trade barriers go away
mircea_popescu: you wouldn't say washington wrecked detroit per se would you /
BingoBoingo: Oh, Washington destroyed Detroit.
asciilifeform: why not
mircea_popescu: well because in that sense you could as well say i did it.
kakobrekla: oh lol
kakobrekla: >BitcoinNotBombs co-founder Davi Barker was stopped in the Manchester, NH airport by TSA agents demanding to search is bags for Bitcoins. Barker was traveling with Bitcoin related merchandise, namely metal pins with Bitcoin labels on them, which he believes is what confused the TSA agents, who didn’t seem to understand what Bitcoin actually is. Barker was eventually allowed to continue to his flight.
BingoBoingo: Detroit would be thriving if that false flag agent did not smash Patton with a jeep
ozbot: bitcoin - Wolfram|Alpha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07500001 = 0.15 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: CALL BOMB SQUAD; CHECK FOR BTC!!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo or if they bombed japan more generouslky.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla honestly the thing reads to me like attentionseeking behaviour.
ThickAsThieves: "The purpose of this wallet is to provide cold storage level security with close to web wallet convenience."
mircea_popescu: so the customs searched his bags. it's what customs do.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Japan doesn't count. Fake Gox BTC, Fake COuntry
BingoBoingo: Or Cuntry
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: smash Patton with a jeep << https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/ConspirThx.htm
mircea_popescu: they're not obliged nor reasonably expected to go "o heh heh bitcoin heh heh" just so random beavis feels tehy connected.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah well afaik toyota etc is what sunk detroit.
kakobrekla: i cant judge whats true or whats not just whats written
asciilifeform: 'Patton, like Douglas MacArthur, was an unfortunate mixture of personal courage, technical brilliance and toxic personality, and like MacArthur, a role model to three generations of mediocrities who equate pomp and nitpicking with excellence.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and as far as parasites go... russia definitely takes the cake. their (putin's) recovery model pretty much relies on parasites
mircea_popescu: jesus wtf.
mircea_popescu: who dares slurry the name of Gen Pissintherhine!
kakobrekla: it does remind me of nefarios travel to usa though.
kakobrekla: that was epic.
mircea_popescu: only took him 30 hours to fail ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the parasites in the summary being the various u.s. 'aid' busybodies who feast on the festering corpses of countries zapped by 'international community'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well unlike McArthur Patton was good at being crazy good at his job.
mircea_popescu: "i have 38 dollars, 15 pakistani liras, scottish food stamps and i will be here one month but is all ok"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of them being you know, owners of uk football clubs.
BingoBoingo: Fuck I need a time machine
Mats_cd03: im a big fan of tom ricks' view of how the ukraine will turn out
ozbot: Ukraine: Call me a crazy optimist, but I think that in the long run, Putin and his kleptocratic pals
BingoBoingo: We just need to advance civilization to RoboKleptocracy already and be done with it
mod6: arnt we alreday there?
Mats_cd03: putin is avon barksdale
BingoBoingo: mod6: Nah, robots still steal for people. We need robots to steal for the sake of theft being fun
asciilifeform: 'orc culture 101.' in the lands of the orcs, when 'human' shows up and says 'we can have government without corruption!' what people hear is 'if we'd let the jerries win, we could be in a mercedes benz. but it isn't too late! and if we end up as the seats, that's our place'
mod6: BingoBoingo: ahh
Mats_cd03: a younger, more handsome negro will surely replace him one day
asciilifeform: like that chinese fellow who wrote that his country ought to be colonized for 300 years before it can be considered 'civilized'
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Pharrel?
asciilifeform: and thrown in oubliette for his troubles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00465108 = 0.1535 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: now a brit, french, or one of us - might agree! but who expects the chinese crown to agree.
asciilifeform: you'd have to be an idiot
mircea_popescu: as if anyone could be bothered to colonize china.
asciilifeform: or a traitor, sure of protection from his foreign master
mircea_popescu: if every able bodied white guy did nothing but rape chinese women from now on to the rest of his life,
mircea_popescu: it still wouldn't be done
BingoBoingo: I dunno china takes order well, also heroin well
asciilifeform: 'colonize' doesn't have to mean 'administer british-style'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.043249 = 0.173 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: could also mean 'biodiesel'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but that's the point. you'd have to somehow teach them to stop taking order.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, that's not colonize for srsly.
asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
mircea_popescu: lol she actually said that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'll say now that i was never able to track down an authoritative proof of this.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Nah, you start an IRL Breaking Bad spinoff, call it "The Real Empire Business" All of a sudden you have a nation of 2 billion central kentucky hillbillies
asciilifeform: but, to 50% of russian-speaking people, she may as well have said it
mircea_popescu: ya well...
asciilifeform: (there is also no proof that stalin spoke the famous 'no man no problem')
asciilifeform: but he might as well have
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in stalin's case, the proof is in the picture
asciilifeform: (or 'million deaths is a statistic, one death a tragedy')
mircea_popescu: (that famous one, on the river side)
btcleaker: <-- Insider with ground breaking tip. Shoot mail @ leakerbitcoin@forward.cat for more info
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 689.91, vol: 65493.93688626 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 659.011, vol: 40669.46841 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 687.0, vol: 51698.83657489 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 653.8679, vol: 17764.86200000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 687.912, vol: 68.30158652 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 671.1525, vol: 433.36901496 | Volume-weighted last average: 678.238779079
BingoBoingo: leaker quit too soon to get mocked
mircea_popescu: how fucking retarded are kids today ? if you're an insider you need to introduce yourself ?
mircea_popescu: wait, over 600 already ?
asciilifeform: spam'n'scram
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Very retarded see 2bitIdjit for deets
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Over 600 since MPOE resolved
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 99 @ 0.0062001 = 0.6138 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: For February
mircea_popescu: if i fucking have a heart attack "suddenly" you're all screwed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21431 @ 0.00086292 = 18.4932 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 144 @ 0.00462948 = 0.6666 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: cokea btw, here's a pro tip : using random seven proxies is not enough
mircea_popescu: we still can tell.
cokea: wat
nubbins`: .cat?
cokea: I'm a better troll than that
cokea: Frozenway is a known VPN mircea_popescu
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 29 @ 0.00605506 = 0.1756 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` supposedly catalan
mircea_popescu: tey're running out of gimmicks.
nubbins`: interesting
nubbins`: didn't know non-us countries got 3-letter TLDs
nubbins`: not that it's a country
mircea_popescu: what the web really needs is a .derp
nubbins`: can you imagine the gold rush on that?
BingoBoingo: cokea: So what brings you here? ENlightenment?
BingoBoingo: cokea: Do you write for wired?
nubbins`: 3-letter .derp domain for sale, 5k btc
cokea: viagra spam BingoBoingo
cokea: you got that for me BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: cokea: Nah kakobrekla would have caught that.
mircea_popescu: " So, now we are threatening to start World War Three because Russia is trying to control the chaos in a failed state on its border — a state that our own government spooks provoked into failure?"
mircea_popescu: dude how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state
BingoBoingo: cokea: Sometime I am drunk. SOmetimes I am stupid. You didn't catch me here while drunk, so...
mircea_popescu: what are htese people all about.
punkman1: mircea_popescu: you can have .derp for like $200k
cokea: BingoBoingo: I'm also mining manually
mircea_popescu: it's like everyone has nothing better to do than ride the hyperbolae.
btcleak: Guess who's back
nubbins`: you?
mircea_popescu: punkman1 maybe once i'm older.
BingoBoingo: cokea: Must be some serious carpal tunnel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how the fuck is the ukraine a failed state << exactly same way as the u.s.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno. last i visited i had a ton of fun.
mircea_popescu: by comparison, ny was boring as fuck.
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Want some real insider leaks?
Multivac: btcleak is tiberius! I hope.
asciilifeform: bankrupt, serious ethnic split, little to no history as an actual nation... dead industry
mircea_popescu: ;;google man pissing, urethal sounds
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asciilifeform: subject beaten to death elsewhere
mircea_popescu: ^ insider leak
btcleak: I got the hottest chili ever BingoBoingo Multivac
BingoBoingo: ;;ud sound docking
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Sound%20Docking | The act of inserting one's penis into another man's urethra. See also Sounding and Docking.
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: Sound Docking
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, it doesn't seem failed at all to me.
mircea_popescu: solmalia is a failed state.
btcleak: I guess I'd be better off scamming tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6329 @ 0.00086085 = 5.4483 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: afghanistan, as pumped by the us is a failed state.
BingoBoingo: Prolly better ROI
mircea_popescu: perhaps iraq too. arguably.
btcleak: HOTTEST SHIT ON MTGOX
nubbins`: Multivac: i read a story about you today
asciilifeform: currently trying to confirm or refuse a certain interesting rumour
btcleak: Mine isn't a rumor
btcleak: It comes from the man himself
BingoBoingo: btcleak: THis chan largely gave up on Gox 9 months ago. Unless Gox had a baby we don't much care; unless paternity test.
asciilifeform: that yanukovych was in the process of selling vast tracts of land in u. to the chinese
asciilifeform: to be farmed to exhaustion
btcleak: lol fuck gox BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: (as they are presently doing elsewhere)
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: i used to know a lot of freaks, some of whom were into sounding (not sound docking)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seeing how i never heard a peep of this until AFTER the troubles, i'd say it's propaganda
asciilifeform: if true, it's a bit of a 'pox on both houses'
BingoBoingo: btcleak: So you have some credentials? SOme history?
asciilifeform: given that, after a russian victory, the process (if actual) will likely re-start
mircea_popescu: good land is in the west anyway
btcleak: BingoBoingo: I'm some random guy
mircea_popescu: or am i confused ?
asciilifeform: center.
BingoBoingo: btcleak: So am I
btcleak: or else I would make you pay forward for the info not after it happens
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo after one makes /. first page no longer random
asciilifeform: west u. is a kind of mournful shithole similar to certain u.s. 'red states'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: prolly ture
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: OMG, BingoBoingo is more real than Firstname Lastname
mircea_popescu: what's "Farmed to exhaustion" mean anyway.
BingoBoingo: Imma have to read some Sartre
mircea_popescu: modern agriculture uses soil as substrate, plants are fed oil.
nubbins`: nevermind sartre, read some hugh pickens
btcleak: Sartre is a faggot BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as an agricultural equivalent of 'strip mining'
btcleak: and a shitty writer BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Maybe Imma faggot gonna wear your anus around my clit?
btcleak: shitty writer sartre
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes. and everyone is practicing it.
mircea_popescu: and has been
mircea_popescu: for over 50 years.
btcleak: hey mircea_popescu
btcleak: I am so in love with you that I want to give you the info for free
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I am dealing with a real existential crisis where Immaginary me is bigger than actual me.
mircea_popescu: got tits ?
btcleak: I can grow some for you
mircea_popescu: so grow some tits and give me your titlove for free.
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I would like if you gave me your anus and 15 minutes of time to sort out my feelings.
btcleak: I will BingoBoingo
btcleak: LOL this info is funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91200 @ 0.00086367 = 78.7667 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: i wonder how the various ws folk will adapt to this chan in the coming years.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They adapt or die
btcleak: you mean when bitcoin ponzi disappear?
mircea_popescu: yeah but it'll be interesting.
mircea_popescu: btcleak btc ponzis can not disappear.
mircea_popescu: they haven't disappeared in fiat yet
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Protip: Bing the lube or I'll make the lube
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: idea was that this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/04619a7a-5da2-11e3-95bd-00144feabdc0.html) transport project would ship the resulting goods home.
mircea_popescu: o o that
btcleak: lol it will mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: isn't that an old nazis did it story ?
btcleak: bitcoin is a shit technology
asciilifeform: i've no conclusive evidence! i live in an entirely different failed state, on other side of atlantic ocean.
btcleak: who are the rich faggots here
BingoBoingo: btcleak: What ridiculous tech do you advance? LISP Machines?
btcleak: I need to make a deal regarding my info
mircea_popescu: this kunstler.com thing reads like alex jones in a different cape.
btcleak: BingoBoingo: auto fleshlights
btcleak: mircea_popescu redirect me to the rich folks
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Make your case.
mircea_popescu: go pester ver. he may have 18 btc or so left.
ozbot: Ukraine: Council of Ministers of Crimea and Chinese companies agreed to jointly construct a grain te
BingoBoingo: Or in the words of fiddy, get rich or dy trying
btcleak: fuck 18 btc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't it a little nutty to extrapolate based on that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure.
mircea_popescu: romania has a grain terminal in constanta large enough to ship the ukraine whole
asciilifeform: a not entirely-implausible scenario, though.
mircea_popescu: still... it's just a terminal
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.0008621 = 14.1384 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I may or may not have 300 kbtc. If you offer news that gets a response from me other than nigga, maybe you get 20BTC
ozbot: Why China Wants (and Needs) Foreign Farm Land – News Watch
btcleak: lol BingoBoingo
btcleak: I have a confirmed news that is happening in a 2 weeks time frame
BingoBoingo: Nigga please btcleak
asciilifeform: ' The deal will funnel $2.6 billion into Ukraine annually for the next 50 years. China will also send seeds and fertilizer, as well as build some vital infrastructure in Crimea...'
asciilifeform: sept. 25, 2013
nubbins`: big oil popeline terminates in constanta as well, no?
nubbins`: lel popeline
mircea_popescu: so this is somehow a bad thing ?
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Maybe we don't care about foundation jacking off and jizzing?
btcleak: some good shit to be short on
mircea_popescu: this is what the ukraine does, farms for export.
mircea_popescu: since what, 1820
btcleak: who cares of foundation BingoBoingo
nubbins`: btcleak nobody gives a fuck about your news :(
BingoBoingo: btcleak: I dunno? Nigas?
btcleak: nubbins`: yes you love me
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somehow a bad thing ? << we'll see when it revvs up
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: notice that if china merely wanted to buy the existing agri output, it easily could
BingoBoingo: btcleak: Id I didn't short in Sept 2009 why would I short nao?
asciilifeform: but no, they want to buy land, ship in own agrichemistry, etc
mircea_popescu: ukraine has one of the fucking worst productivities in the world.
asciilifeform: gotta wonder why
mircea_popescu: do you know what they got per hectare in 2012 ?
nubbins`: 1btc
mircea_popescu: something like 1800kgs
mircea_popescu: they could easily get 4k+
asciilifeform: by 'burning the candle at both ends', no?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Parts of Ukraine have great productivity, other parts suck though. Ukraine is an odd mix of Kansas and Arizona
asciilifeform: as the chinese are suspected of planning
mircea_popescu: well no, by fucking farming properly.
mircea_popescu: they don't even plow half the time
asciilifeform: that's kinda how you keep the thing going, no?
asciilifeform is not an agronomist
mircea_popescu: i r not kid you.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, you plow all of the time, even during fallow years
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's a difference between fingerfucking and fucking a girl.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5851 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as long as you don't actually use your knee it doesn't harm her in any way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily, that horse scene is my father's main memory of his visit to Ro. in the early '80s!
mircea_popescu: well yeah, but meanwhile ro industrialised
mircea_popescu: cause eu capital.
mircea_popescu: ukraine has to do the same thing somehow
mircea_popescu: i guess htey're stuck with chinese capital
asciilifeform: well, the east still has the sov. era industry going, sort of.
mircea_popescu: on the face of things this is all sensible, is what i'm saying. i dun see the big threat
asciilifeform: there wouldn't have been a wankfest if the west u. folks didn't 'go full bore latvian' and decree a 'lowering into prison bitch' of the rus. half
BingoBoingo: If 'Murica can Industrialize so can Ukraine, http://www.kimberamerica.com/1911/raptor-ii
asciilifeform: 'language exams', etc
BingoBoingo: I am a pole and so can you
mircea_popescu: i guess.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure what the tension was, exactly.
asciilifeform: it was a foolish declaration of chimp war, egged on by the u.s
mircea_popescu: there defo was some sort of tension
asciilifeform: as described by mr.o
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, you can't do that from outside.
BingoBoingo: 2001 was a Chimp war kakobrekla can attest
asciilifeform: you do it from inside
mircea_popescu: it's some sexual pathology that's at the root of it.
asciilifeform: using 'ngo
kakobrekla: lol BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: if ngos worked then white chicks wouldn't be raped five times a year on average in south africa today
BingoBoingo: Fucking ass Monoliths
asciilifeform: and by dropping hints that you'll support rebels
kakobrekla: BingoBoingo looks like ukraine needs one
asciilifeform: (see, e.g. mr saakashvili)
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: I might have one in the garage. Would you escrow the sale of a monolith to the unidentified gunmen?
kakobrekla: better sleep on that one.
BingoBoingo: I need to get rid of this monolith because the squirrels are starting to play nigga golf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4206 @ 0.00086085 = 3.6207 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i tell you, to me this sounds like thje proposition that a bank can provoke a divorce
BingoBoingo: They've gone black, soon they won't come back
BingoBoingo: Also I'd like the garage opener to work instead of returning "err: All of Jupiter's moons are yours except Europa"
BingoBoingo: Annoying ass cargo cult technology
asciilifeform: attempt no parking there.
btcleak: brb niggers
BingoBoingo: Fucking it. Imma load up a space trolley full of ford escorts and make parking there
mircea_popescu: is ford escort slang for a black stripper with lobster tail ?
nubbins`: yeah
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Unfortunatley not
nubbins`: rob ford likes lobster
nubbins`: and tail
BingoBoingo: When I was in high school an acquainance from the boonies came from a family with a surplus of ford passengar cars.
BingoBoingo: The family did things out of boredom like fit dump truck motors into passenger coupes
BingoBoingo: And nao their kid can't fly aero planes
BingoBoingo: Not after that great 4th of july party
BingoBoingo: WHere they turned a ford into a firework barge
BingoBoingo: Eh, though. Live and let dies.
BingoBoingo: Even though the kid fit dump truck power in hatchback confines
nubbins`: fiesta tow truck
mircea_popescu: nah this is nuts. there's not going to be any "de-nazifying" of anything, wtf.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Well it was a 94 escort and an 88 F-OMNGWTFBBQ Super DUty
nubbins`: i like it
nubbins`: always wanted to hide a muscle car inside a shitbox chassis
nubbins`: this is even better
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I have no idea if it is still
BingoBoingo: Haven't seen the kid since '06
nubbins`: man, david byrne doesn't stop singing about food, does he?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: The moral of the story before police get involved is that no, torque alone does not make you fast.
nubbins`: oh, of course not
nubbins`: just like the idea of surprises under the hood
nubbins`: whether it be something that can smoke a cop car or something that can tow a fleet of em
mircea_popescu: i was thinking, and wtf do you do for transmission
diametric: evening gents
BingoBoingo: Well last time I saw him I introduced him to a girl who was good at the dick sucking and wanted to sell a Dodge neon.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You half ass the transmission
mircea_popescu: so it'll do... 60mph ?
mircea_popescu: except... real easy ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Hopefully
mircea_popescu: even at say 30% inclines ?
BingoBoingo: Two bolts plus a crankshaft
mircea_popescu: ok that'll prolly blow
BingoBoingo: Only blow so often though
mircea_popescu: you know there's a reason detached semi heads are run a certain way
mircea_popescu: too light spells trouble
BingoBoingo: Of course
mircea_popescu: diametric heya
BingoBoingo: The early 1990's though inherited a lot of the ethos of the 1980's where any motor by a company should work with any transmission
mircea_popescu: yeah, because this is how it works in mechanics.
mircea_popescu: also any roman candle should work with any asshole.
BingoBoingo: I may have tested that last one...
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'd love to see the hand-made transmission some afficionado made to allow a dump truck engine in his thunderbird
mircea_popescu: because such a thing COULD be done, and it'd probably be awesome.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Do you want me to give you some email addresses?
mircea_popescu: lol noty.
mircea_popescu: but pix if you have them.
BingoBoingo: I know someone not on a no fly list who does that for their Demo cars
mircea_popescu: also since we're talking shafts :
ozbot: Crisis in South Africa: The shocking practice of 'corrective rape' - aimed at 'curing' lesbians - A
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this ever actually worked.
mircea_popescu: "i used to kinda not like doing it with men, but then these dudes fucked me really roughly and now i'm like all fixed"
dub: i've had rough sex with a lesbian
mircea_popescu: without asking her ?
mircea_popescu: "I used to sleep under a bridge, not eat, just cry. I hanged myself; it was on a Monday. I took pills, took alcohol, drank cleaning appliances and then hanged myself. But God said, 'It is not your time'."
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So are you asking if someone can deliver to you a thundrbird with a dump truck motor or asking for opinions whether or not it can be done?
mircea_popescu: i was more like idly trolling for pics
dub: she was into it, unkown if it cured her muff addiction
mircea_popescu: why would you want to cure such a thing anyway
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The one big example I say in person was well before I had a computer with more than two colors on its monitor much less a digital camera.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i imagine because of the limitations of alloys you'd prolly end up with rather complex coggery
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well the first example I saw ended its life because the operator insisted on running it on Jet A fuel
MisterE: war will be good for BTC
mircea_popescu: there shall be no war.
MisterE: its already over
mircea_popescu: pretty much
MisterE: Putin won
nubbins`: wait
nubbins`: she drank cleaning appliances?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: It isn't over but it isn't a war
nubbins`: like what, a vacuum cleaner?
MisterE: thought that was a musical insturment
mircea_popescu: nubbins` she means bleach
nubbins`: guess it affected her language center
MisterE: drinking bleach is the most retarded thing to do
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is Romania left or right hand drive?
MisterE: you will never die
nubbins`: ;;seen bloctoc
gribble: bloctoc was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 days, 22 hours, 31 minutes, and 54 seconds ago: <bloctoc> It will help government determine the size of the bailout required
BingoBoingo: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: <Vexual> lasers in the eye is never good tat
bloctoc: nubbins' looking for me?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14400 @ 0.00086121 = 12.4014 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So one estimate request got a response already "Depends on the dump truck motor. Are you talking about a standard Volvo or cummins diesel? Or are you talking about a larger super industrial engine? Any motor can be out in any car. All it takes is a torch, welder, and some good math."
mircea_popescu: you probably shouldn't hustle these good people, they probably have productive stuff to do with their tiem
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well, if you want a new car to be chauffered in...
nubbins`: just pinging! any luck w/ eulora?
BingoBoingo: Left hand drive
BingoBoingo: I pinged a party with earnest experience in the matter.
artifexd: No. Stuck on cel3d right now.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not rly. about to move here anyway.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: So Argentina plan is underway?
mircea_popescu admires how we've picked the most persnickety software stack imaginable, apparently.
nubbins`: ah, it's not so bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30550 @ 0.00086059 = 26.291 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: How does a Roma know a word like persnickety?
MisterE: hardly european
copumpkin: mircea_popescu knows all
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is moving?
KRS-One: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.006001 = 0.12 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta see the world.
mircea_popescu: 2015 mp conference won't be in timisoara, that's for sure.
BingoBoingo: Well Bingo Leaks remember Argentine apartements being quoted specificaly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21278 @ 0.00085872 = 18.2718 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12163 @ 0.00085739 = 10.4284 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Well going to South America would make an incredibly torqued T-Bird easier to deliver
dignork: Lol, got it from ukranian friends: http://imgur.com/ja0PCoE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83287 @ 0.00085643 = 71.3295 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: dignork: STFU, none of those people have patches. They could be self defense units.
dignork: BingoBoingo, i know, still funny
BingoBoingo: dignork: Eat a dick, I am waiting for serious news, not more black ops OMGWTFBBQ dickign around.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26100 @ 0.00085472 = 22.3082 BTC [-] {3}
copumpkin: these MPOE sales aren't me, I promise
copumpkin: just because I have my key back doesn't mean I'm dumping!
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: serious news << like a French invasion?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: French or Sardinian work. Those new Raphaels are pretty hot shit.
dignork: BingoBoingo, gosh, it was a joke, i have friends on both sides too.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: why not Spanish? Chinese?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They weren't in Crimea I. French, British or Sardinian, baby that's what I need.
asciilifeform: you left out turks.
BingoBoingo: dignork: Hard to communicate umor over text without being permissive isn;t it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 135 @ 0.00466001 = 0.6291 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Turks would be forced into the same role, Black Sea gatekeepers
BingoBoingo: ATM unless Turks decide otherwise the black sea is only for countries with Black sea borders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 38 @ 0.006 = 0.228 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04324997 = 0.1297 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Pretty much the same role the Ottmans professed to hold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 187 @ 0.00597994 = 1.1182 BTC [-] {2}
Multivac: According to Deadline, the White House has recommended that the Supreme Court rule against Aereo when broadcasters bring its service to trial this April.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0436663 = 0.131 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: I almost atm respect MRBigg the Ripple and Bearshare shill over Obama
dignork: BingoBoingo, not really, sarcasm is a tricky one
BingoBoingo: He nevar hid his hollywood shillness
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.00086187 = 9.8684 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: romania invades, takes over odessa
asciilifeform: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz don't blow away the other cute cherub statue
asciilifeform: in my old apt.
BingoBoingo: Plz take little Egypt next
mircea_popescu: ROMANIA TAKES IT ALL
BingoBoingo: Missouri smells bad and we are tired of being neighbors
mircea_popescu: Multivac hwo the fuck is this white house to "recommend" wtf.
BingoBoingo: Mardigras weekend just happened and everything to the west smells like piss
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: always wondered, what % piss by volume, is... Ganges river.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02120003 = 0.1696 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (assuming it is a physically meaningful question)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In the Ganges river case I'd guess at least 15%
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all surface water has been pissed on average four times
BingoBoingo: Maybe some inbound amonium gets caught in clays, but...
asciilifeform: well, that.
BingoBoingo: Consider the Illinois river is mostly an untreated sewer flowing from Chicago and manages to support sufficient silver carp that baseball bats and armor are the prefered means for fishish them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40900 @ 0.00085702 = 35.0521 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43492 @ 0.00085456 = 37.1665 BTC [-] {3}
MisterE: Russia has been in control down there forever already
copumpkin: omg MPOE selloff
MisterE: they just 'formalizing' it
copumpkin panic-sells
MisterE: yea?
asciilifeform: MisterE: in Chicago?
asciilifeform: did i sleep through something?
MisterE: well it's chicage
MisterE: Russians would be just another gang of thugs :p
MisterE: you'd outlast them
MisterE: no I'm saying the Crimea
BingoBoingo: MisterE: You mean they wouldn't outlast the Northside Polaks
MisterE: russia already controlled it
BingoBoingo: Oh, not Chicago talk
MisterE: what do the Turks have to say?
MisterE: that will be key
BingoBoingo: Dunno any Chicago Turks
BingoBoingo: Are the Turks gonna let the Sardinians ty to force Crimea to trade again?
MisterE: I know there's a lot of history there and I don't know enough of it
MisterE: basically lots of stacks of bodies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46443 @ 0.00085431 = 39.6767 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27844 @ 0.0008541 = 23.7816 BTC [-] {2}
copumpkin: quit selling all the MPOE!
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:16f67849951a6df2a9d019751e36e2526e1fc6309219382aedc8d87e
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
benkay: !l m mpoe
assbot: I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.
BingoBoingo: Watching Karl Urban in Almost Human I have to wonder... Why not just a Judge Dread serial?
benkay: !h
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted dpaste.com url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from https://just-dice.com)
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 14170 BTC profit, 40.6k BTC invested, 762.97 mio bets, 5.06 mio BTC wagered
benkay: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00085369 / 0.00085835 / 0.00086433 (1018179 shares, 873.96 BTC), 7D: 0.000745 / 0.00086217 / 0.00088851 (8430211 shares, 7,268.32 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00087418 / 0.00094153 (29592229 shares, 25,868.96 BTC)
benkay: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.0008541 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: You got a Bitcoin Stick?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.00543999 = 0.1034 BTC [+] {5}
benkay: walk softly and carry a bitcoin stick.
ozbot: Calling out the Bitcoin Foundation Scam.
mircea_popescu: and the plot trickens
BingoBoingo: Trickens because BTC in itself now has gotten boring
BingoBoingo: Gutten Borrin
BingoBoingo: Here be the Bitten Coins
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.0008493 = 20.2558 BTC [-] {2}
cokea: i am good
cokea: i was quoted by the WSJ for a troll post
cokea: good life
Multivac: Alert! Alert! MPOE-PR trying to destroy the Bitcoin!
diametric: asciilifeform: finally found some pods for those logic analyzers i got.
asciilifeform: diametric: neato! where ?
diametric: ebay, some showed up finally, though almost all of them are way overpriced. $50-$150, found one for $10 though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00466023 = 0.2656 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: diametric: drop a photo of the priceless antique here, for the others
diametric: I own two of these beautiful machines
diametric: but no pods.
diametric: well until i get it hopefully next week
asciilifeform: ought to post a pic of operating unit
asciilifeform: it's well worth seeing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59988989 = 1.1998 BTC [+] {2}
diametric: speaking of tools, still need my oscilloscope?
asciilifeform: diametric: for the moment. i shall be done with it soon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44298 @ 0.00084722 = 37.5302 BTC [-]
asciilifeform borrowed a very rare and spiffy instrument from diametric to test rngs.
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KRS-One: look at that stupid look on his fucking face
mircea_popescu: lol gutten boring
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: aw HELL ya
BingoBoingo: Eh, My hometown was almsot genecided during the Great war.
ozbot: Bitcoin Address 1BTCorgHwCg6u2YSAWKgS17qUad6kHmtQW
Duffer1: bitcoin foundation donation address
twizt: lol
twizt: so many coins
Duffer1: i'm actually surprised they got less than labcoin
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I am not at all
BingoBoingo: Also Duffer1 It is Monday, why are you not streaming Archer and watching a better alternate reality future for 'Murica?
Duffer1: i'm never sure when it's on, i always watch later
BingoBoingo: Oh shit Duffer1 Illegally stream it nao
BingoBoingo: Highway to the Danger Zone
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00466051 = 0.233 BTC [+]
mod6: archer++
ozbot: Giant Virus Resurrected from Permafrost After 30,000 Years - Yahoo News
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Quiet, we are trying to hook Mircea up with a monster hotrod
MisterE: that rod is for insertion...
MisterE: you sure you're doing it the right way?
BingoBoingo: Insertion, where I dun care, he has more experience in this I supposed a dude who could put dumptrucks in ford escorts. He wanted dumptruck motors in a ThunerBird, and Imma trying to get the hillbilly's email.
MisterE: heh crazy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.599945 = 1.1999 BTC [+] {2}
gesell1: did anyone try to call MTgox today?
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