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← 2014-02-27 | 2014-03-01 → ↓
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: at the risk of repeating, anyone concerned with boobytrapped hardware should actually take the time to think about /what it could actually do/ in their scenario
asciilifeform: e.g. what, exactly, does the enemy get if he can execute an arbitrary instruction instead of the next coming one, at a given time
BitcoinKike: I have a leak to the powerline.
asciilifeform: or what does he get if it broadcasts every 16th word fetched from ram
asciilifeform: or, or, or...
dignork: asciilifeform: is there any way to grep/search in log.bitcoin-assets.com ? I mean like a month range. I can hack together some crawler, but maybe there is on already.
asciilifeform: dignork: no idea
BitcoinKike: dignork: Try nao and ask kako's forgiveness later?
asciilifeform: continuing: for instance, a chip that enthusiastically pisses bits to the power rail is perfectly usable if it never gets to share its power rail with anything
asciilifeform: (runs off battery)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.106 = 1.06 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: a chip that is suspected of broadcasting more than its 'fair share' is pefectly usable inside a miniature faraday cage
asciilifeform: and likewise for one which is thought to receive (so long as the cage is in place, and likewise supply and ground rails are filtered)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 92 @ 0.00316001 = 0.2907 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: OMG Luke-Jr called me a kike <Luke-Jr> BitcoinKike: lack of transparency including proof of reserves
BingoBoingo: Fucking Guinea
asciilifeform: this is an actual subject and i cannot hope to make it fit into these sound bites
asciilifeform: but i really wish people had some actual picture in their head of what it means to distrust a hardware vendor
asciilifeform: beyond simple 'ritual unclean' voodoo.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: We know, that is why I file down aluminum cans during downtime.
dignork: BitcoinKike: afraid to ask, nao? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nao_(robot) ?
Apocalyptic: I think he meant now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.63749393 = 3.1875 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: dignork: Accept the definition that scares you the moast?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.10500001 = 1.365 BTC [-] {4}
Luke-Jr: BingoBoingo: please do not slander me; there is a person by that name present
BingoBoingo: Everything is everything, unless it is nothing.
BingoBoingo: I feel like a pussy nao having only faced misdemeanot charges https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120969.0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63929666 = 1.9179 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.000865 = 12.975 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0059898 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Remember, disorderlynes is a moral imperative
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5895 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.00499483 = 0.5145 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.10217367 = 1.1239 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: pankkake: plz refresh assass feed. pushed to public too soon :(
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nevar too soon
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.1001 = 0.8008 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: no no there is a thing as too soon
benkay: too often, maybe not
KRS-One: .bait
benkay: bawww
KRS-One: that bait was gay
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: rawr
benkay: one of those girls has done this before...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00490042 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.05863587 = 0.3518 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.105 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14351 @ 0.00086116 = 12.3585 BTC [-] {2}
KRS-One: if you zoom in real close on the pubes of the girls in that pic you can get a good crotch shot
KRS-One: which one would you take? right or left?
benkay: right
benkay: TRICK QUESTION BOTH
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.64139124 = 5.1311 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34149 @ 0.00085914 = 29.3388 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Remember ##mtgoc-statement is a total lolz factory ripe for pikinz
KRS-One: i would take the girl on the right, but i like blondes...the girl on the left has a fat pussy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.646 = 3.23 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.10874999 = 0.435 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499493 = 0.1299 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: @BryceWeiner is so getting death by exile
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 314 @ 0.00056898 = 0.1787 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ##mtgox-statement is still a lulzmine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1001 = 0.3003 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00599 = 0.1378 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I'm going to sleep soon and hope I keep logging that channel, but backup is necessary, because that is a lulz goldmine
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.1001 = 0.4004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05863591 = 0.2345 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.09613161 = 1.8265 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0936797 = 2.342 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.64552 = 3.2276 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00488998 = 0.1956 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005999 = 0.5999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00599947 = 1.4999 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.006 = 0.486 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4899 @ 0.00086464 = 4.2359 BTC [+]
hax0r42: how the hell did AM1 go up so much in 1 day?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 51 @ 0.00489997 = 0.2499 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00085893 = 3.8652 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00489998 = 0.343 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.64699 = 1.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11450 @ 0.000865 = 9.9043 BTC [+] {2}
bloctoc_: looks like all those puts are going to expire
BingoBoingo: bloctoc_: Looks like MPOE is in the money
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 578.47, vol: 16020.91139690 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 558.1, vol: 14394.81461 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 577.0, vol: 11047.20318012 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 590.06, vol: 0 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 566.081244, vol: 6372.01300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.350348155
bloctoc_: I've been looking at the price, seems good but one would have to sell bitbet to do such a thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.006 = 0.114 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: The puts were sold to MPOE at what price?
bloctoc_: I don't know but it's in the bitcoin-assets archives a couple of days after the transaction
BingoBoingo: bloctoc_: It was repeated several times over those days
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma sleep
bloctoc_: night
BingoBoingo: ##mtgox-statement pissing me off beyond my vodka budget for a Thursday
bloctoc_: is there a way to verify mpex has possession of coins?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00489998 = 0.3038 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4000 @ 0.004614 = 18.456 BTC [-] {35}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.0048998 = 0.2058 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00489981 = 0.1911 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta love it when the thesaurus is longer than the poem
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the guy doesnt know they squated it themselves < clearly there's no relation between jesse and the gang.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.636 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay: dat mpoe < what be you mathing thar ?
mircea_popescu: ninjashogun: anyone interested in startups here? << ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: isn;t this the guy who didn't have the time to either a) get with the program or b) read the indicated article detailing the unsuccessful attempts of the last nitwit who thought he's too good to do what he's told on the grounds of well... he's special ?
mircea_popescu: diametric: the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order << you happen to be familiar with the trials and tribulations of the public opinion during any of the large eastern european ponzi collapses ?
mircea_popescu: like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ?
mircea_popescu: the20year2 what of me ?
mircea_popescu: gee whiz, look at all the people i want to talk to, and i have barely just woken up.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> like the russki MMM, or romania's caritas (or later fni), or albania's rebellion of 1997 ? // we had this BMG Invest in Slovakia
mircea_popescu: a so you did, yea.
mircea_popescu: generally the objects of the abject populace's fixations end up quite... jesus-ied.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo midnightmagic is an old time miner with a very naive set of strongly held notions.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.021399 = 0.214 BTC [+]
MagicalFag: just got a $a: ban on ##mtgox-chat, such fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8574 @ 0.00086337 = 7.4025 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lmao who the fuck bothers banning people on deadman's chat
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One: fap fap..nite.
mircea_popescu: you seriously jack off to that stuff ?!
KRS-One: Sure..Lets talk about your love life now.
mircea_popescu: but... it's a woman in a bra o.O
KRS-One: haha
KRS-One: I go to the strip club once a week. You would be suprised what you can get there being a regular.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00489899 = 0.3527 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: i used to own a few. why'd i be surprised ?!
KRS-One: I get out quite often when I'm not working as much too.. I like the bachelor's life.
mircea_popescu: you know that's possibly the least efficient way to buy sex, do you
KRS-One: Not trying to suprise you, I don't know much about you.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10501 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: decimation: So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. << if by "thing" you mean "Bitcoin Foundation", then yes.
KRS-One: Its getting late here. Have a great day-
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00472009 = 0.2124 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: o look at that, Luke-Jr needs to learn to listen to mp.
Luke-Jr: why?
mircea_popescu: because you'd still have 70% of your savings, that's why.
Luke-Jr: I didn't know you had access to MtGox's code
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of things you didn't know. but the fact that i said mtgox is going down, you knew.
mircea_popescu: next time, listen. it's not like it's coming out of my pocket if you don't, you know ?
Luke-Jr: oh, so I'm supposed to just believe everything you say but can't/won't provide evidence for?
mircea_popescu: you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference.
Luke-Jr: if I knew it, then I must have listened to you say it.
Luke-Jr: and thought you were full of crap since you couldn't substantiate it
mircea_popescu: yeah well, see, that's a broken implication there.
mircea_popescu: or two. however you count.
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: did *you* steal the bitcoins?
mircea_popescu: if we had the luxury of discarding anything of reality that doesn't conveniently fit with our theoreitcal system, we wouldn't for instance be stuckl with quantum mechanics.
Luke-Jr: because right now, it sounds like you're implicitly confessing
mircea_popescu: newtonian physics'd have been just fine,
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr no, it just sounds like you still have issues listening.
mircea_popescu: i get that you're very emotionally invested in this "master of all i survey" nonsense, but that's not how reality works.
Luke-Jr: the only way to know MtGox was going down like this, is if you had evidence, or you were behind it
Luke-Jr: and you clearly did not have evidence
mircea_popescu: because why.
Apocalyptic: having evidence is different from diclosing it
mircea_popescu: because i live in Luke-Jr world, where if Luke-Jr asks i am forced to comply ?
Luke-Jr: Apocalyptic: yes, but mircea_popescu is generally clueless too
mircea_popescu: i guess 30% of your savings is too much for you huh.
mircea_popescu: aite, carry on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind. <<< now how does this follow ?!
Luke-Jr: mircea_popescu: just because you're right for once in your life, does not mean you will be right ever again
mircea_popescu: Luke-Jr apparently your one-bit counter is well smashed.
mircea_popescu: add some overflow control there.
Apocalyptic: reading some article about this BMG ponzi
Apocalyptic: "Naivety multiplied by greed made the existence of such investment schemes possible in Slovakia" // like it's any different in any other ponzi
mircea_popescu: well... it just *feels* different each time.
mircea_popescu: people have this amazing facility, guy goes out with girl, its their first time, it feels like the first time. kids have been fucking for a while now, it's anything but novel in any sense.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
Apocalyptic: maybe, it certainly fundamentally isn't though
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.04506296 = 0.3605 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: and then she gets pregnant/catches the clap/gets dumped and her mom is like lolz and she's like "o mom, just because you were right ONCE IN YOUR LYFF!!!
mircea_popescu: doesn't mean you'll ever be right ever again ever eleventy!"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487564 = 0.3146 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10487564 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo : perhaps a good alternative is to buy a chinese and a usg and use them in paralel.
mircea_popescu: they can only do that which they agree on.
chetty: lol great recipe for any government
mircea_popescu: copumpkin how much did you have on gox ? if its not sikrit.
mircea_popescu: so far this is starting to feel like pirate all over again. in may "but mp! how can you irresponsibly let the pr chick say mean things about this important biznis for bitcoin, we know shit. we're twelve after all!"
mircea_popescu: then in oct "well... we're out of the game nao. was nice being part of it all blablabla"
mircea_popescu: dignork i use local logs for that purpose. log website only does daybased, and i suppose global search may be a little cpu intensive as a publicly exposed service.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell greenspan_fan i actually shot the last psych guy an email. figured he'd prolly like to know :p
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00086085 = 19.6704 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay re the assass feed : trilema has a 15 minute rss delay built in for that very reason. maybe you should implement something like it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60000001 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i mostly use it when i manage to typo in one of my booklet length titles.
mircea_popescu: bloctoc_ not really.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00085872 = 13.7825 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "When using only an HD wallet design, you can regenerate the wallet (and all of the addresses) at any time using a seed which can be presented as a mnemonic string of words, without reducing the amount of entrophy like brain wallets do."
mircea_popescu: now how the hell does this work, entropy cheese ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, btw I always wondered why the polimedia servers were in the US
mircea_popescu: where are you /
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9550 @ 0.00086337 = 8.2452 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15581 @ 0.00086626 = 13.4972 BTC [+] {4}
Apocalyptic: Switzerland
mircea_popescu: prolly routes you faster that way.
mircea_popescu: "There shouldn't be "insiders" in #Bitcoin - that's kinda the point of Bitcoin."
mircea_popescu: dude how is it that everyone takes it for granted they personally know what "the point of Bitcoin" is
mircea_popescu: for crying out loud already.
mircea_popescu: "i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!!1"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 217 @ 0.0055 = 1.1935 BTC
chetty: <mircea_popescu> "i shouldn't still be a virgin, kinda the point of bitcoin!! <<<< it isn't?????
mircea_popescu: i guess it has resolved a lot of financial and mental hymens
ozbot: Reggie Middleton's UltraCoin - Bitcoin 2.0, aka Ultra Coin: Bitcoin's Derivative Layer That Allows T
ozbot: Bitblu - crypto investment management
benkay`: "Crypto-currency investment is hard..."
mircea_popescu: who's running it ?
mircea_popescu: i don't mean the newest scamcoin, i get it, Reggie Middleton is a random noob who figures that he's special and doesn't need to first spend his six months reading here.
mircea_popescu: i mean the blu thing
ozbot: Bitblu is recruiting our co-founder CTO
benkay`: bitcointalk *has* a search bar, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: "Great job on the Bitblu website. It looks awesome, even in beta!! Can't wait to try it out "
mircea_popescu: lol all this crap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 71 @ 0.00575 = 0.4083 BTC [+]
benkay`: wow dealco is still around?
mircea_popescu: why wouldn't it be ?
mircea_popescu: scams don't go away anymore, they just age and reemerge, goat style.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02199998 = 0.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5004 @ 0.00086541 = 4.3305 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10487562 = 0.3146 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16277 @ 0.00085984 = 13.9956 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what is everyone's favourite bitcoin charting service these days ?
kakobrekla: rtbtc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitcoincharts seems to have finally croaked
benkay`: hey everyone did you know that real companies are built on professionally curated data feeds?
benkay`: kinda hard to believe, but true.
benkay`: WTF BITCOIN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00487998 = 0.976 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: it's only 2014, what's the rush.
anddam: hello
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell duffer1 hey, you have a compatriot here : anddam
gribble: The operation succeeded.
anddam: will keep that in mind
anddam: actually there are a few on btctalk but the tone of threads is childish more often than not
benkay`: anddam you troll for money?
mircea_popescu: where was that link to that post of duffy's
anddam: benkay`: troll as in fishing?
mircea_popescu: there you go
mircea_popescu: "Load failed, retry after 5 seconds. Probably Reason BitcoinWisdom is temporary down Domain is not bitcoinwisdom.com Network issue"
mircea_popescu: i am guess javascript issue ?
ozbot: Bitcoin Market Price (USD)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00086718 = 12.1405 BTC [+]
davout: does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats?
davout: ie. that can count
FabianB: btcoincharts is probably the only one that works without js
ozbot: bitcoinity.org/markets
mircea_popescu: davout wasn't open office settable to use fixed point ?
benkay`: if you look sideways at the TATINVESTMENTS logo you can see a WTF
davout: i'm mildly satisfied with my accounting delta being -0,000000000000206057393370429
davout: mircea_popescu: thanks! i'll have a look
anddam: davout: I don't but is rounding error with floats that important?
davout: anddam: accounting is right or it isn't, it can't be sort-of right
benkay`: i will come harp at you over rounding errors of less than a satoshi anddam
benkay`: ask mircea_popescu
anddam: davout: when you use floating point arithmetic it can
davout: anddam: "does anyone know about some spreadhseet software that uses decimals instead of floats?" <<< hence the question :D
mircea_popescu: i suppose the concept here is that math will have to suit the task, not the othjer way around
davout: anddam: what's to tell me it doesn't compound in weird ways ?
anddam: well, math would be exact, but when you're using a computer you're using an approximation
davout: anddam: except when you're using decimals
anddam: math is ideal, at least the one that was taught to me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12300 @ 0.00086811 = 10.6778 BTC [+]
davout: anyway i'll look into OO
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.09837502 = 3.935 BTC [-] {8}
benkay`: anddam: bitcoin is also ideal, and calls for ideal accounting.
ozbot: This is the story of your loss.
benkay`: what a twizt!
mircea_popescu: course, it seems mtgox bound
mircea_popescu: no nm, it isn't
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6 = 1.2 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1291 @ 0.00459637 = 5.9339 BTC [-] {25}
mircea_popescu: so i'm hammering out the mpoe announcement for this month.
mircea_popescu: word of warning to the news people following : it's gonna be pretty massive.
Apocalyptic: massive sounds good
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 400 @ 0.00450006 = 1.8 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00450006 = 1.125 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.0390015 = 0.975 BTC [-] {3}
HeySteve2: mircea_popescu, please private me regarding the news if I don't respond here
mircea_popescu: you know it will be soon after midnight gmt.
HeySteve2: ok I will look for it then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.095 = 0.38 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6 = 2.4 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 238 @ 0.00469412 = 1.1172 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 232 @ 0.0047 = 1.0904 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.09084863 = 2.998 BTC [-] {5}
davout: mircea_popescu: delicious EXERCISE?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00440003 = 0.286 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00086828 = 10.8535 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00086706 = 22.9337 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00420003 = 0.84 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.00418413 = 0.6485 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6359998 = 1.272 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 53 @ 0.00411001 = 0.2178 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 474 @ 0.00410377 = 1.9452 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00413057 = 1.6027 BTC [+] {7}
MisterE: shit, btc-e is down
MisterE: says maintenance...
wao-ender: and ddos was yday on their twitter
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00414999 = 0.1245 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 59 @ 0.00415 = 0.2449 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7690 @ 0.00086438 = 6.6471 BTC [-]
ozbot: Twitter / WSJ: Breaking: Mt. Gox has filed ...
kakobrekla: dont tell me you are john kenney :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.08999997 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.08999998 = 0.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0055 = 0.495 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09497999 = 0.19 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3900 @ 0.00086813 = 3.3857 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: <anarchystar> bitcoins just got ignored
Apocalyptic: <anarchystar> total insanity
Apocalyptic: <anarchystar> bye bye btc claims
Apocalyptic: hum that could set a precedent about btc liabilities during liquidations
dexX7: what's the context? was there any statement about a potential fiat bailout?
jurov: Apocalyptic: there isn't any other way
Apocalyptic: jurov, isn't there ?
jurov: where would they get bitcoins to resolve liabilities otherwise?
Apocalyptic: they wouldn't need to get them, just price them in the liability sheets
jurov: that has potential to create a mess
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic pretty much already established precedent.
Apocalyptic: mircea, wasn't aware, what case are you referring to ?
jurov: if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy, why should i share my claim with people who had btc-only positions?
jurov: and even if, what is the fair btc price here?
wbaw: kakobrekla, I'm John Kenney
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00468997 = 0.1172 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: o look, now you are on two of my screens :)
wbaw: so is the bet closed or what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.63599999 = 5.724 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: mods close the bets when it needs to be, you can leave them a message on bitbet comments
wbaw: their lawyer just made an announcement
wbaw: that seems to satisfy the bet?
jurov: yes, put the link into bitbet comment
jurov: and let them do their job
Apocalyptic: <jurov> and even if, what is the fair btc price here? // hard to find a definitive answer here, but you can still can pick a reasonable one
jurov: that's anything betwen 100 and 500
Apocalyptic: <jurov> if i had usd-only position at time of bankruptcy // that's kinda irrelevant
jurov: Apocalyptic: why irrelevant? bankruptcy law applies only to fiat, it says nothing about BTC. Attempts to shoehorn BTC in there can be disastrous.
jurov: Listing BTC that are left on the papers and trying to pay them out would be Karpeles goodwill attempt, nothing more.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.09064826 = 2.6288 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: ianal, though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00605 = 0.121 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00086813 = 6.5978 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.09 = 0.9 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00430679 = 1.2791 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09 = 0.18 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23710 @ 0.00086841 = 20.59 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00606001 = 0.1576 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00608813 = 0.1583 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0529 = 0.2116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1054 @ 0.00018498 = 0.195 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic for instance the bitcoinica executors, couldn't care less about the btc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6175 @ 0.00018631 = 1.1505 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: anyway, jurov pretty much has it i think.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1557 @ 0.00018902 = 0.2943 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5807 @ 0.00019199 = 1.1149 BTC [+] {4}
wbaw: TOKYO—A lawyer for Mt. Gox announced at a news conference at the Tokyo District Court that the embattled bitcoin exchange was filing for bankruptcy protection and that Mt. Gox had outstanding debt of about ¥6.5 billion ($63.6 million).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00086393 = 13.3909 BTC [-] {2}
wbaw: ... Yes prevails if there is an official announcement of the end of operations
wbaw: bet is still open, what a joke
wbaw: glad i didn't put more on it
jurov: wbaw why such haste?
wbaw: jurov, could you bet on a football match after the result is known?
mircea_popescu: o hey, us attorney general just jumped out of a window.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 986 @ 0.00444372 = 4.3815 BTC [+] {3}
wbaw: bookmakers should be fast
mircea_popescu: this is now the revolving window of finance and government.
wbaw: and trustworthy
mircea_popescu: wbaw you know they'll refund bets that are late anyway
wbaw: and not let people bet after the outcome is known
wbaw: 1% fee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00428984 = 1.2183 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: uh what happened to this thing
mircea_popescu: !t h neobee
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00404101 / 0.00509159 / 0.00599998 (47908 shares, 243.92785559 BTC), 7D: 0.00278000 / 0.0046028 / 0.00600000 (417443 shares, 1921.40502491 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.00422003 / 0.00600000 (543824 shares, 2294.95111460 BTC)
wbaw: it's an hour since the announcement
wbaw: that's not haste
wbaw: that's expecting normal service
mircea_popescu: hey did they close it yet ?
wbaw: mt.gox closed days ago
wbaw: the bet hasn't
mircea_popescu: outrageous.
dexX7: it's pending?
dexX7: *closed
dexX7: whatever
wbaw: at least its a warning not to use the site again & stick with reputable bookmakers
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: there are very many reputable bookmakers in btc outside of bitbet.
wbaw: i'll ask william hill next time
wbaw: he seems ok
wbaw: and he has a shop around the corner from me
wbaw: so stop messing about
mircea_popescu: makes sense.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.004222 = 0.4433 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00609998 = 0.305 BTC [+]
wbaw: how official does it need to be if their company lawyer announcing it outside a court isn't enough?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 98 @ 0.00609999 = 0.5978 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: they're only claiming 64m in liabilities?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 not really in their interest to include everything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.053 = 0.212 BTC [+]
Duffer1: lol
mircea_popescu: wbaw hey, how does irl betting work ? i've never done it
Duffer1: i know, i'm just shocked at the gall
mircea_popescu: so you go to the shop around the corner and what happens ?
wbaw: mircea_popescu, i walk into a shop, place a bet, get fixed odds & a betting receipt
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 that's basically why people need lawyers for. average joe can't possibly summon all the needed gall for even trivial legal proceedings
mircea_popescu: wbaw ok. and once you win ?
wbaw: then when it wins i claim my payout in cash
Duffer1: ya apparently
wbaw: i go to the shop
wbaw: and they pay out
mircea_popescu: so what if you get caught in traffic ?
wbaw: when the result is known
wbaw: then i get my payout a few minutes later
mircea_popescu: and what if there's a queue ?
wbaw: but, it's walking distance anyway
wbaw: then i go to a shop with more staff
mircea_popescu: but that may be farther away.
wbaw: there are 5 or 6 within a short walk, but i think william hill is the only one that takes random bets like this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00609999 = 3.05 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: and to take this full seinfeld, what if you accidentally get triple-action moisturizer with uva on your ticket and now it's illegible ?
wbaw: mircea_popescu, they keep a record of all the bets
mircea_popescu: so you need what, your id ?
wbaw: you've never visited a real bookmaker?
wbaw: you need the details of the bet
wbaw: time, amount, etc
mircea_popescu: generally all those i've seen are dingy affairs in the poor parts of town,
mircea_popescu: where the cash checking and pond shops are
wbaw: they're huge companies here in the uk
mircea_popescu: huge companies they are everywhere, but still, much in the way mcdonalds is a huge company :
mircea_popescu: a huge company made out of a lot of small, smelly, dingy little outifits.
wbaw: when i pay for a burger at mcdonalds they usually give me one
wbaw: without much fuss
mircea_popescu: yeah but once you'll graduate to restaurants you'll maybe notice you order and then wait
wbaw: same when i pay for a bet at a bookmaker
wbaw: except this one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10087 @ 0.00086358 = 8.7109 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: anyway, don't sweat it, i'm sure you'll have it by tomorrow, whatever it is.
wbaw: you really shouldn't still be accepting bets, it's just to take fees for nothing or skew the odds
mircea_popescu: what do you mean for nothing ?
mircea_popescu: someone betting after the event is known seems something.
wbaw: you take a 1% fee from returned bets, says on your site
mircea_popescu: meanwhile : A talking parrot has helped Indian police crack an intriguing murder mystery and led the cops to arrest the killer.
mircea_popescu: go preet go!
wbaw: so, what is an official announcement?
wbaw: for the context of that bet?
mircea_popescu: dood, i'm sure it's good enough, a mod needs to get to it.
mircea_popescu: stop sweatin' it, srsly.
wbaw: because it seems pretty official
chetty: Seriously whats the rush? Not like you can get interest on BTC
wbaw: should have faster service instead of acting like you're not trying to compete with huge companies with customer support teams
mircea_popescu: i actually am not competing with huge companies for the favours of you.
chetty: hmm what huge company with lots of support team takes btc bets? I might want to check that out
cazalla: didn't you know bitbet was a scam wbaw?
cazalla: talk to snackman lol
wbaw: i didn't realise before, cazalla
mircea_popescu: bah i can't believe i gave out the wrong link
ozbot: Strategic superiority, a saga pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
cazalla: wrong links, slow payouts, what's happening mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Up until recently it was practically impossible to become embroiled into any sort of dealing with the subgroup, their ownership being strictly assumed and their lives strictly subsumed by the corporations competent at dealing with the human cattle : fastfood providers, supermarkets, the government. Both as employers and providers these specialised bureaucracies have the necessary tools, including cattle prods (or whate
mircea_popescu: ver they’re called now, non-lethal something or the other) to correctly handle them. They have the chemicals, they’ve done the research, know the behavioural patterns, have the walls all built to obstruct vision, living arrangements all thought through and everything.
mircea_popescu: Bitcoin suddenly opened the gate. It is a poisonous offering. You are grossly unequipped to interact straight with the refuse of Western society. Accepting investors with fortunes under a million dollars or whatever the limit was placed for US citizens may make sense. Accepting investors with fortunes under any arbitrary value and simultaneously wits under any arbitrary threshold is not a sound business plan but a stra
mircea_popescu: tegic mistake.
mircea_popescu: cazalla yeah srsly.
wbaw: i'm not saying it's a scam, just you should act a bit faster to protect your customers
wbaw: like your competitors do
mircea_popescu: but you're in no way at risk. if people bet after the fact hey just get charged a small fine
mircea_popescu: it doesn't impact your bet in any way.
mircea_popescu: and while it'd be ideal to move faster, it's also ideal not to make mistakes, and not to cost an infinity.
wbaw: how do people know it's after the fact if the bet is still open?
mircea_popescu: these are the three ends of the triangle : how much it costs, how secure it is, how fast it goes.
cazalla: ask snackman, he knows the answer to that one wbaw
mircea_popescu: every business will make a choice as you can't have all three.
wbaw: you could close betting while you reach a decision
mircea_popescu: wbaw ideally people bet on things they know.
cazalla: wbaw, why not use it to your advantage and bet on some props where the outcome is already known?
wbaw: cazalla, because i'd be paying 1% for nothing
Apocalyptic: <ATH5> "There was a weakness in the system, and the bitcoins disappeared" << Karpeles live
mircea_popescu: the lyf and tymes.
wbaw: and that's what it's about, taking those 1%s & fuck repeat custom
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00086863 = 3.7351 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: there was a weakness in the system
mircea_popescu: her clothes are now gone
Apocalyptic: "<maz0> Teikoku Data Bank, Japan’s largest and most respected credit-rating agency, in July of last year reviewed the company and gave it a D4, the worst possible rating a company can receive on their scale. One of the reasons for the low rating was the lack of qualified accounting staff at the company." mircea is there any truth to that N
wbaw: how can you run any business without looking at your competition?
wbaw: and how they do business
mircea_popescu: wbaw how can they ?
wbaw: what do you mean?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah afaik
mircea_popescu: wbaw how can your williams whoever do business without looking at bitbet.
wbaw: mircea_popescu, they were here first
mircea_popescu: in bitcoin ? i dun think so.
wbaw: and they're the big name, not the new competitor
wbaw: so it's all different because of the currency?
mircea_popescu: wbaw in a word, yes. especially because bitcoin isn't a currency in this sense.
MisterE: almost got back in to ride is back to 570 but we're going under 550
wbaw: mircea_popescu, this is why you'll never be big like they are
wbaw: it's no different, it's a betting site
MisterE: lol Apocalyptic that's almost as bad as letting the 2 companies with the worst customer satisfaction numbers in the US merge :D
mircea_popescu: wbaw what's the mkt cap of this williams thing ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, you just linked me an article from today
mircea_popescu: 3.24bn mkt cap ?
mircea_popescu: well guess what... i'm not that far off. now what do we do.
ozbot: William Hill plans cost cuts to offset new tax regime
wbaw: Revenue rose 18 percent to 1.49 billion pounds of which net retail revenue accounted for 907 million pounds, up 10 percent, and online revenue rose 12 percent to 446 million pounds.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic yeah it's some japanese corp research firm
Apocalyptic: I thought you were referencing the credit-rating claim
mircea_popescu: wbaw yeh yeh, WMH.L, 3.24bn mkt cap
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mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic afaik that's a paid service.
wbaw: they're not even the biggest
wbaw: afaik
Duffer1: following for the lawls
mircea_popescu: wbaw thjat's besides the point. i being already comparably big, your argument fails
mircea_popescu: and anyway, i'd love to keep chattin' but got some stuff to do right nao
cazalla: wbaw: you should be more given the outcome is known, that will fix your problems
cazalla: bet*
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10771 @ 0.00086393 = 9.3054 BTC [-]
wbaw: cazalla, according to mircea_popescu here that'd mean i just get taxed 1%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 879 @ 0.00086863 = 0.7635 BTC [+]
wbaw: and i can't put bets on even those his website says that i can
wbaw: *even though
wbaw: so i'd be getting taxed for their mistake if i bet now, or the betting is corrupt
Mats_cd03: cool story
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0061 = 0.1159 BTC [+]
cazalla: so what are you worried about then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00448999 = 0.1437 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00457998 = 0.1649 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: so a hdd in a raid array failed and has been hotswapped.
mircea_popescu: everything seems fine.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00086863 = 3.9957 BTC [+]
Duffer1: hurray for striping
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63599 BTC [+]
jurov: i'd be pretty asstight if company owner was personally involved in raid hdd replacements :D
wbaw: i'm not worried about anything cazalla, just explaining why it's my first & will be my only bet on the site
wbaw: other gamblers will just go elsewhere quietly
wbaw: it has finally been closed, but speed is important
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00437102 = 0.3715 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.635 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.1141981 = 2.284 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.114899 = 0.3447 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> uh what happened to this thing /// there's a frenzy over AM solving more blocks than usual (sell Neo! Buy AM!) and the Neo bid book didnt fill much behind the rally
ThickAsThieves: wbaw, how could you possibly expect the diversity of bets at BitBet and immediate resolution on all of them?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00086843 = 1.2158 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.117 = 0.234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11999 BTC [+]
wbaw: not immediate resolution, but closing should be fast
wbaw: responses from customer support shouldn't be so rude & arrogant either
ThickAsThieves: well i just woke up and everything was the way it should be!
ThickAsThieves: wbaw that's one issue you won't win me over on
ThickAsThieves: customers are rude and arrogant
wbaw: i think they're in romania though, so no excuse, was the middle of a working day
ThickAsThieves: customer service people arent your bitch
wbaw: customers are right
wbaw: never heard that?
Duffer1: haahahaa
ThickAsThieves: they arent
ThickAsThieves: not usually
Duffer1: ah that's cute
wbaw: this is why you lack many customers
ThickAsThieves: i do just fine
wbaw: including me now
ThickAsThieves: have all my lufe
Duffer1: TaT i hear AM added 600th recently, might have something to do with it :P
ThickAsThieves: if you want civil interactions with people, try being a human being
wbaw: other bookmakers don't call me a bitch for giving them money
wbaw: no other bookmaker that has lasted has done that
wbaw: to any customer
ThickAsThieves: even if you are right
wbaw: every business has to serve it's customers or it fails
ThickAsThieves: let bitbet run its own business
ThickAsThieves: when did you become ceo
wbaw: i will
ThickAsThieves: and when did they ask for your opinion
ThickAsThieves: and when did your opinion matter?
wbaw: when i became a customer & paid them money
ThickAsThieves: no that's when you entered a contract
ThickAsThieves: their only obligation is to fill it
ThickAsThieves: on their terms
ThickAsThieves: which you accepted
wbaw: then again when i remembered never to use it again & recommend against it
ThickAsThieves: dont enter into arrangements with people then complain when they execute them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0538 = 0.2152 BTC [+] {2}
wbaw: i was complaining about them not executing them
ThickAsThieves: no, you were complaining about HOW they execute them
ThickAsThieves: which you dont get to
wbaw: or being too slow to execute them because they were too busy abusing customers
ThickAsThieves: unless it breaks their contract
ThickAsThieves: does bitbet say it will solve all bets in under X amount of time?
wbaw: every bookmaker closes bets when the event is over
wbaw: every other
wbaw: so i will just use those instead
wbaw: now please stop arguing with former customers
Duffer1: afaik MP is an owner and not actively involved, but as an owner I'm sure he's more annoyed with delayed bet closing than you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1645 @ 0.00434981 = 7.1554 BTC [-] {6}
wbaw: i hope he is, he should be
wbaw: doesn't matter to me i can just go elsewhere
Duffer1: bitbet has a competitor?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00019 = 0.95 BTC [-]
cazalla: william hill apparently
wbaw: search 'gambling' on google
wbaw: there are quite a few
wbaw: betfair?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1087 @ 0.00018899 = 0.2054 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: ah i'm not a gambler, i haven't kept up with the offerings in the space
ThickAsThieves: the best part about these bitbet naysaying interlopers is that it's always for like $50 bets
wbaw: they have lots of big competitors but they think they're different because it's magical internet money so customer service doesn't count
ThickAsThieves: and they demand to be customer that is always right and able to take all business away
ThickAsThieves: wbaw do you even lose anything here?
wbaw: ThickAsThieves, why risk a big bet on your first go with some shady site?
ThickAsThieves: why act like some stange site killed your cat?
wbaw: they know not to come back after that
Duffer1: I am certain that those involved with Bitbet regard Bitcoin as substantially more valuable than fiat
wbaw: i'm used to better service, rather than being insulted by staff
ThickAsThieves: youre used to be being manipulated is what you are
ThickAsThieves: salesmanship is all you know
ThickAsThieves: not service
wbaw: we will see who's still here in 10 years
ThickAsThieves: surely you wont be
ThickAsThieves: i doubt 10 days
Duffer1: perhaps you haven't been around long wbaw but if i was a gambler Bitbet would be the only site I'd trust to do what they say, no more no less
wbaw: wtf are you talking about?
Duffer1: everyone else will just tell you what you want to hear right up until they run with your $$
wbaw: you think bitbet are more reliable than betfair?
wbaw: william hills have been around ~50 years
wbaw: and they always pay out
Duffer1: and they accept bitcoin?
wbaw: does that even matter?
jurov: one day the miscalculate the rates on popular bet and go out of business
ThickAsThieves: ;;google betfair scam
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jurov: and unlike fiat nobody, is loaning btcs
ThickAsThieves: plenty to read!
Duffer1: i see, so when i said earlier "only site" i was refering to only bitcoin betting site
wbaw: yes, they catch scammers on betfair
jurov: nothing like that can happen on bitbet
wbaw: that's what they do
wbaw: it's betting exchange
ThickAsThieves: so betfair hosts scammers
ThickAsThieves: bitbet does not
wbaw: betfair allows anybody to bet
wbaw: bitbet is just in denial
ThickAsThieves: again, what did you lose here anyway?
Duffer1: denial about what? i'm just curious, i'm not trying to poke you
wbaw: i lost an interesting looking betting site i wanted to give my custom
ThickAsThieves: so youre just trolling?
wbaw: saying they don't host scammers, denying that bet fixing could be a problem...
wbaw: no, i got trolled by bitbet
ThickAsThieves: specifically why are you unhappy
wbaw: the customer service response i got to my email yesterday
ThickAsThieves: which caused you what harm?
Duffer1: i was under the impression that bets are moderated by the exchange
Duffer1: I don't see how fixing could occur without collusion by employees
wbaw: because you just said you have no experience gambling
ThickAsThieves: dont lose me
ThickAsThieves: which caused you what harm?
wbaw: it cost money from my bet, people were betting after mtgox closed
ThickAsThieves: do you know what happens when people bbet after the fact on bitbet?
Duffer1: that does not mean those late bets will be honored
wbaw: they get a 1% tax
ThickAsThieves: a 100% tax
ThickAsThieves: they keep it
wbaw: according to ts&cs
wbaw: that's breaking their own terms then
Duffer1: unless they changed it very recently, it's 100%
ThickAsThieves: if your bet confirms after the event took place they lose all money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25295 @ 0.0008685 = 21.9687 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: ThickAsThieves: no
jurov: it's first closed, then they return bets minus 1%
jurov: then after it's resolved, they eat new bets
Duffer1: i see
ThickAsThieves: so still
ThickAsThieves: wbaw loses nothing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00450488 = 0.1577 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63 = 1.26 BTC [-]
jurov: adn even if someone bets while it's still open, but the result happened
wbaw: What if I bet after the bet has been satisfied, but before it is actually closed?
wbaw: Your bet will be refunded, minus BitBet's 1% fee.
jurov: they return -1% too
ozbot: FAQ BitBet
Duffer1: if the bets are returned then the payout would be according to resolved weight
ThickAsThieves: you are crying over a reality you constructed
ThickAsThieves: not one that exists
wbaw: so they screwed somebody
wbaw: either those that bet while the bet was still open, but in fact closed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16867 @ 0.0008694 = 14.6642 BTC [+] {2}
wbaw: or the people who bet before
ThickAsThieves: well wtf
ThickAsThieves: you get what you want so you move to another cause?
jurov: wbaw after the result happens, bet is closed implicitly without them having to announce
jurov: it's best defense from scammers
jurov: good idea, don't you think?
wbaw: so why the 1% fee & leaving bets open so late?
ThickAsThieves: bitcoin does not have a way to reject a payment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3983 @ 0.00016694 = 0.6649 BTC [-] {16}
ThickAsThieves: this is th best solution
wbaw: surely the bet still being open is there mistake, so no fee
wbaw: their
Duffer1: not necessarily
ThickAsThieves: why make a bet after the event occurs?
ThickAsThieves: who's scamming who at that point?
wbaw: because they're advertising that you can, ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: but they cant stop payments to bitcoin addresses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: nature of the beats
wbaw: they can close the bet on their site
wbaw: faster
ThickAsThieves: hey that's the name for my next album!
Duffer1: humans are perfect
jurov: wbaw btc payments can be even hours late, and returning them is overhead for bitbet
ThickAsThieves: how fast is fast enough?
wbaw: they can not be so rude to customers too
ThickAsThieves: no matter how fast they are, they can't be instant
Duffer1: that's also a feature, not a but :P
Duffer1: bug*
ThickAsThieves: if they can't be instant, why pretend
ThickAsThieves: also, what if the evidence of the bet resolution is debunked? then you complain they closed it too fast?
ThickAsThieves: this is why customers are usually wrong
ThickAsThieves: they dont know wtf they are talking about
ThickAsThieves: and act like insufferable children
ThickAsThieves: you'd be rude too
deadweasel: also, they're not your fucking mommy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09349999 = 0.374 BTC [+]
deadweasel: handle your business by doing due diligence before you place money somewhere. that's all there is to it.
ThickAsThieves: he didnt lose anything anyway
ThickAsThieves: thats the ass end of it
ThickAsThieves: where he's an ass, and that's the end of it
deadweasel: indeed. bitbet is an unending font of entertainment
deadweasel: for this, I do love it. also, winning.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00086954 = 16.3039 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00450655 = 0.2163 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: the timing of bitbets is really quite spooky
ThickAsThieves: with these diff bets and gox bets
ThickAsThieves: "I love the sense of entitlement in your generation," she wrote, then continued. "You're welcome for your humility lesson for the year. Don't ever reach out to senior practitioners again and assume their carefully curated list of connections is available to you, just because you want to build your network."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 239 @ 0.00450499 = 1.0767 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: then she gets put through the social media wringer
libbe: wheres that from thick
ThickAsThieves: and it turns into ""The note I sent to Diana was rude, unwelcoming, unprofessional and wrong ...," she said in her e-mail. "Diana and her generation are the future of this city. I wish her all the best in landing a job in this great town.""
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00086605 = 16.7148 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Nasty LinkedIn rejection goes viral - CNN.com
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086351 = 3.454 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09349999 = 0.187 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i guess that's what the media does, it breaks you if you give it weight
ThickAsThieves: some gems from CNN's home page today: She blew off salute to take THIS selfie - World's best prison food? - Men: Your sperm clock is ticking - 'President finally said something' - Kutcher and Kunis engaged? etc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.606 = 1.212 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: apparently he's 10 feet tall
ThickAsThieves: "Mt.Gox learned Monday that 1.75 million bitcoins held by the company and its customers had disappeared"
libbe: lol... wtf
libbe: 1.75 now
libbe: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 760 @ 0.00459938 = 3.4955 BTC [+] {5}
Duffer1: 1.75m bitcoins gone, only claims 65m in liabilities in bankruptcy app
Duffer1: pure evil
Duffer1: lol they're trying to claim $37 per bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: is the filing public somewhere?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00086346 = 7.9438 BTC [-]
Duffer1: ^ where i saw the 65m figure, dunno what their source is
ThickAsThieves: article has big mistake
ThickAsThieves: they filed for Bankruptcy PROTECTION
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20565 @ 0.00086367 = 17.7614 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: where did this extra million bitcoins come into play?
ThickAsThieves: hey Pete
bitcoinpete: catching up on the day's logs… twitter is just jammed with gox brain damage. can't take it
ThickAsThieves: thx kako
kakobrekla: at least its not a fukken nikki minaj
ThickAsThieves: mark has like a perpetual mona lisa smile
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu to Luke-Jr: you're supposed to listen to it. there's a fucking difference. << priceless
ThickAsThieves: Jon Stewart having a laugh over Mt Gox starting as a card exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9650 @ 0.00086367 = 8.3344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09349999 = 0.561 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0046109 = 0.2536 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0935 = 0.4675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63160684 = 17.685 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00485999 = 0.3305 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.63633266 = 1.909 BTC [+] {2}
bitcoinpete: Looks like my little blog post took a notch out of NeoBee, eh ThickAsThieves
bitcoinpete: I wonder what I could've done to something like CFIG or 7C
ThickAsThieves: you be trollin
bitcoinpete: Truly. I know no one reads my blog
ThickAsThieves: you could actually do plenty damage to CFIG if you tried
bitcoinpete: No doubt
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Correction, only people who matter read your blog
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: but I didn't even post it on reddit!
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: You posted to this chan though
ozbot: Mapping Bitcoin Addresses to IPs: Hard, but possible | Bitcoin Security
bitcoinpete: So I did, so I did.
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Reddit has a poor ratio of eyes to eyes that matter
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: Time to start sending coins to MPEx from SBUx
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.11705 = 0.2341 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: I thought SEC arrested MPEx and closed the Bitcoin?
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: Much higher here, it seems
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: Did you read that in the almanac?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00086367 = 5.0525 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: The Forumers Almanac
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 558.69, vol: 18248.76543402 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 541.96, vol: 12559.69095 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 557.0, vol: 12295.19418405 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 582.1, vol: 65.15586648 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 554.88, vol: 7185.97300000 | Volume-weighted last average: 553.591064627
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12442 @ 0.00086762 = 10.7949 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: hmm so does option bot problem fix itself now that gox volume is 0?
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: I'm guessing that is going to be in the MPEx announcement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15163 @ 0.00086963 = 13.1862 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "A lot of them tend to be in their 20s and 30s, they tend to be hip New Yorkers definitely with an eye for aesthetic detail – they may work in the visual arts or performing arts."
jurov: is pic of mr. gay-debauchery in there somewhere, too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61000001 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: too bad the register can't spell "transpLant"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.0935 = 0.561 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: And converting to Orthodox Judaism would be far more cost-effective.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62459 @ 0.00086446 = 53.9933 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.006 = 0.222 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00086425 = 11.3217 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6999 @ 0.00086656 = 6.0651 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0543 = 0.543 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60066666 = 1.802 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: The Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo bet has been accepted http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/
jurov: BingoBoingo: I don't get the boogaloo reference
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.55879266 = 14.5286 BTC [-] {14}
TomServo: ;;ud electric boogaloo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo
ThickAsThieves: ;;ud Electric Boogaloo
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=electric%20boogaloo | Electric Boogaloo can be appended to the name of a movie to indicate a sequel. This construction is somewhat dismissive of the original work and/or...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: electric boogaloo
TomServo shrugs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.55 = 1.1 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.09499898 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.536575 = 2.1463 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16833 @ 0.00086734 = 14.5999 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0048 = 0.48 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Turneja - Kukavica (Arkan - Mine Field Scene) + Eng Subtitles - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00485598 = 0.2768 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0544 = 0.544 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05201753 = 0.4161 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00564526 = 1.1291 BTC [-] {10}
chetty: A man who was traveling through Manchester, New Hampshire was stopped and harassed by the TSA after he opted out of going through a body scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was “We saw Bitcoin in your bag and need to check.”
ThickAsThieves: buncha bitcoin buttons
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00556 = 1.112 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00485548 = 0.4807 BTC [-] {3}
wao-ender: chetty: url?
ozbot: » TSA Detains Libertarian Blogger After ‘Seeing Bitcoin’ In His Bag Alex Jones' Infowars: Ther
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00019129 = 0.3826 BTC [+] {10}
asciilifeform: 2017: 'A man who was traveling through the California Demilitarized Zone airport was stopped and harassed by the ISA after he opted out of going through the MRI scanner. The official reason for further interrogation, according to the screeners, was "We saw 'brainwallet.py' in your CPU cache, and we needed to check." '
benkay`: poor davi
TomServo: ISA?
benkay`: ugh asciilifeform you gotta put this shit into some fiction
benkay`: publish it somewhere and everything
asciilifeform: chetty: if this story is true, it probably means that a picture of 'casascius coin' is included in the 'evil objects' db.
benkay`: 1/3 of the things you write in -assets gives me the willies
asciilifeform: benkay`: seriously? like what
benkay`: good morning assettes!
chetty: yup very likely it is
benkay`: "MRI scanner"
chetty: I figure its true, to strange to be fiction
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 37 @ 0.00597001 = 0.2209 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 57 @ 0.00598666 = 0.3412 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 75 @ 0.006 = 0.45 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: benkay`: fiction like this ends up being 'a less funny joke' soon after it is written. see, for example, http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
chetty: asciilifeform: ouchy, I guess next stop is full up mind reading
jurov: researchers already did read passwords from brain. one has to control self to not think about them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00485598 = 0.4759 BTC [+]
benkay: gotta get out of the states
BingoBoingo: Oh brain steganography is going to be a thing soon
wao-ender: use mechanics!
chetty: multiplication tables making a come back
wao-ender: in my honest, I dont remember some password, only just mechanics of keypresses
chetty: true, without keyboard passwords are a mystery
wao-ender: well, rather find function how to re:create password instead of remember exact value of pw
ThickAsThieves: fortress bought at the top
benkay: well, the 2013 top
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 26 @ 0.05182695 = 1.3475 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.1169999 = 1.053 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1169999 = 0.351 BTC [-]
benkay: if they have the smarts to hang on for a year or two, they may make it back
benkay: ah it's unrealized
benkay: at least their smart enough to actually go long
ThickAsThieves: can anyone point me to a working LTC chart?
ThickAsThieves: forgot bitwiz had it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.095 = 0.19 BTC [+]
drifton: Hello all
Duffer1: hello
benkay: man, the derp is just as strong on hacker news as bitcointalk.org
TomServo: yep, it's everywhere it seems
Duffer1: letstalkbitcoin.com/the-ghost-in-the-machine-at-mtgox/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00464018 = 0.3805 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: i'm currently battling the derp at theverge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 258 @ 0.0008796 = 0.2269 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: http://www.moneyfactory.gov/ is down! I guess USD is done for.
ozbot: Chinese New Year, Litecoin to Blame for AMD GPU Shortage, Price Hikes | Digital Trends
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 228 @ 0.0008798 = 0.2006 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018999 = 0.19 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.1169999 = 0.819 BTC [-]
Jere_Jones_: My wife told me that she couldn't get a birthday cake with a bitcoin on it because it would have been copyright infringement and we needed to get written permission from Bitcoin.
Jere_Jones_: She said that several bakeries told her that same story.
anddam: Jere_Jones_: also the cake would be malleable
Jere_Jones_: She laughed. I laughed. I had balloons on my cake instead.
asciilifeform: chetty: re: mind reading: 'The two aims of the Party are to conquer the whole surface of the earth and to extinguish once and for all the possibility of independent thought. There are therefore two great problems which the Party is concerned to solve. One is how to discover, against his will, what another human being is thinking, and the other is how to kill several hundred million people in a few seconds witho
asciilifeform: ut giving warning beforehand. In so far as scientific research still continues, this is its subject matter.' (mr. o's '1984')
ThickAsThieves: while i cant imagine anyone getting sued over a cake,
ThickAsThieves: it's not 100% absurd to be worried about the bitcoin logo
ThickAsThieves: if the creator hasnt given up rights to it
ThickAsThieves: and properly
ThickAsThieves: in the US, you can't even give shit away easily
Jere_Jones: The B with two vertical lines?
ThickAsThieves: well a specific depiction of it
TomServo: I could swear I've seen one or two Mickey Mouse cakes... but I could be imagining that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 495 @ 0.00517539 = 2.5618 BTC [-] {25}
ThickAsThieves: the cake place likely got sensitive because of doing too many mickey mouse cakes once
Jere_Jones: If you don't know what a bitcoin is, yeah, I understand the confusion. My wife and I do, though. Hence the hilarity.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1169999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 32 @ 0.02175686 = 0.6962 BTC [-] {4}
Asa9: my wife has some cake pans of popular kids mascots from the late 90s but no disney ones.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4672 @ 0.00009682 = 0.4523 BTC [-] {9}
benkay: that feel when a project manager cancels the meeting you scheduled to plan out the next 2 months of work
benkay: *raaaaage*
benkay: maybe i just need bacon.
ThickAsThieves: planning to plan is the most popular form of planning
chetty: asciilifeform: Its a toss up, '84 or Brave New World - but its pretty much upon us
Asa9: oh what the hell - why not both?!?
drifton: Anyone have an opinion on the viability of profiting off of exchanging btc for ltc and vis-a-vi? Ive only been going straight btc investment as of late and ltc has me curious. Sorry for the vague question, or if it's considered off topic.
benkay: don't do it drifton
drifton: Yeah?
benkay: you're talking about becoming a professional trader by trading your own book. just don't.
chetty: off topic? is that possible here?
ThickAsThieves: drifton, listen to benkay
ThickAsThieves: LTC simply does not function in reaction to BTC in any reliable way
drifton: Thanks guys
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00465002 = 0.7905 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00464201 = 0.4642 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: !t m s.mg
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.00014955 / 0.000154 (180 shares, 0.03 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013973 / 0.000154 (1200 shares, 0.17 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011631 / 0.000154 (5050 shares, 0.59 BTC)
nubbins`: !t h smg
assbot: [HAVELOCK:SMG] 1D: 0.00009501 / 9.705E-5 / 0.00010280 (4859 shares, 0.47159003 BTC), 7D: 0.00009501 / 9.954E-5 / 0.00013000 (7926 shares, 0.78898943 BTC), 30D: 0.00009501 / 0.0001088 / 0.00013850 (16446 shares, 1.78939064 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0046 = 0.46 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1960 @ 0.00018999 = 0.3724 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.0046 = 0.3358 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.095 = 0.76 BTC [+]
anddam: benkay: the bacon concept is interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 225 @ 0.0044291 = 0.9965 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58998899 = 1.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00440002 = 0.132 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.117 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] [PAID] 7.50000000 BTC to 40`000 shares, 18750 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.05100001 = 1.734 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.10577669 = 2.856 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] [PAID] 5.00000000 BTC to 50`000 shares, 10000 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 72 @ 0.00597 = 0.4298 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 69.10503292 BTC to 3`122 shares, 2213486 satoshi per share
benkay: get yer dealco divs and get out day apparently
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05385713 = 0.377 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.05736678 BTC to 3`122 shares, 65899 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550288 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.09550006 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.09199994 = 0.92 BTC [-]
benkay: bacon ipo anddam
benkay: ;;later tell anddam bacon ipo
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 23 @ 0.08043478 = 1.85 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: bacon futures?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 34 @ 0.13311598 = 4.5259 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: heh WSJ used wordpress
ThickAsThieves: (at least for the moneybeat area)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00086308 = 5.8689 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: ThickAsThieves: yeah they used to for the not real journalist shit
Diablo-D3: they still have it for some legacy areas
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0555 = 0.111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
ozbot: Cyprus One Year After Bank Bail-In -- the Canary That Lived - MoneyBeat - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05416667 = 0.1625 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08181 = 0.2454 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: this guy needs MPOE-PR to step in and inform the subsequent commenters who the real niggers.txt are https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5429845#msg5429845
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.13311598 = 0.7987 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0559994 = 0.28 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08130283 = 0.2439 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05595783 = 0.6715 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0800171 = 0.8002 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0575 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.055 = 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 28 @ 0.05398213 = 1.5115 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 25 @ 0.006 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.13311598 = 1.5974 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.054 = 0.108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 388 @ 0.00454236 = 1.7624 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00453334 = 0.748 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.054 = 0.324 BTC [+]
TomServo: BingoBoingo: was not kidding about ##mtgox-statement
ozbot: A Discussion on How to Salvage MtGox Customer Account Holdings - Imgur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [7C] 125 @ 0.00360365 = 0.4505 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 45 @ 0.07801111 = 3.5105 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00086445 = 11.3329 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.13311598 = 0.6656 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00086759 = 10.1074 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.13311598 = 1.7305 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 55 @ 0.00600001 = 0.33 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 45 @ 0.00600001 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.081 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.053 = 0.106 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00478783 = 0.6847 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 377 @ 0.0048762 = 1.8383 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 77 @ 0.13311598 = 10.2499 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0815 = 0.326 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13221 @ 0.00086807 = 11.4768 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0525 = 0.105 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.08225 = 0.1645 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0055 = 0.1375 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00474995 = 0.1235 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0515 = 0.103 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08275 = 0.331 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.085 = 0.17 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0835 = 0.334 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 54 @ 0.00474997 = 0.2565 BTC [+]
gribble: 3.81572379881463E9
thestringpuller: ;;estimate
gribble: Next difficulty estimate | 4890464455.62 based on data since last change | 4092738869.01 based on data for last three days
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 288335 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 1968 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 39 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4890464455.62 | Estimated Percent Change: 28.1661
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12647 @ 0.00086819 = 10.98 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.09999999 = 0.6 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051 = 0.102 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00483117 = 1.4494 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: evoorhees on centralization - The Bitcoin Phenomenon on Vimeo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00488999 = 0.4401 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30500 @ 0.0008694 = 26.5167 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.13311598 = 2.9286 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.09999999 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.1 = 1.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0823125 = 0.6585 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 16 @ 0.08120312 = 1.2992 BTC [-] {5}
the20year2: joy, bankruptcy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11723 @ 0.00087012 = 10.2004 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: it's about time
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0805 = 0.161 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.051375 = 0.1028 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00488995 = 0.1076 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00548999 = 0.4666 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05325 = 0.426 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05475 = 0.219 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.05625 = 0.45 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05828571 = 0.408 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.09999997 = 0.4 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05942857 = 0.416 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.11900092 = 0.595 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0835 = 0.835 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08575 = 0.343 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.08683332 = 0.521 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08733333 = 0.262 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.1 = 1.1 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.088 = 0.176 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10637 @ 0.00087026 = 9.257 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.1 = 3.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.1 = 2.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.0046416 = 0.362 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08999999 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.0055 = 0.363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05025756 = 0.1508 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00488993 = 0.1565 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.13311598 = 3.9935 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.082 = 0.41 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00086638 = 16.2013 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2070 @ 0.000095 = 0.1967 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 810 @ 0.000191 = 0.1547 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.08395 = 0.4198 BTC [+]
nubbins`: freenode still shitting?
nubbins`: couldn't connect via chat.freenode.net
ThickAsThieves: ya a little
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Pretty much Freenode seems constantly under some level of DDoS now
nubbins`: poor admins must be sick of it by now
BingoBoingo: Probably
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02139899 = 0.1498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0047101 = 0.212 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36100 @ 0.00086506 = 31.2287 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00483971 = 0.121 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11585504 = 5.7928 BTC [+] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.1175 = 2.4675 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0827 = 0.3308 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: at some point we will make #freenode on irc.bitcoin-assets.com
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0827 = 0.1654 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 642 @ 0.00019618 = 0.1259 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0834 = 0.417 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.00087019 = 20.754 BTC [+] {2}
omen1855: nice read Bugpowder
omen1855: before my days, but history repeats itself very quickly
Bugpowder: probably been repeating itself for 2 years without people knowing about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.13311598 = 0.3993 BTC [-]
Guest4752: soo what's new
Duffer1: scammers scamming
Duffer1: air is still breathable
Bugpowder: Rain rain rain
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you tihnking of making an irc network ?
kakobrekla: well, it was more of a joke and id rather not, but if it comes to it, i would.
kakobrekla: like the 15th standard you know.
mircea_popescu: it's a bitch to run them tho, because ddos.
asciilifeform: did anyone ever step up with decent hosting for whatever?
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather add servers to freenode's pool than split the effort.
mircea_popescu: then again, that'd require them extracting head from bunghole, which may prove more difficult.
asciilifeform: phuctor is still languishing on a godforsaken EC2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not rly any serious btc hoster as of yet
mircea_popescu: it's only been 5 years of btc so...
kakobrekla: well it depends on the size i guess, we have a small alter irc network in slovenia with like 200 people and 3 or so servers, works just fine for years
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla and then agency X wants to send 100gbit floods because why not.
jurov: asciilifeform: what about SDF?
ozbot: SDF Public Access UNIX System - Free Shell Account and Shell Access
asciilifeform: jurov: i thought that was a 'free shell for people learning unix' thing
jurov: no, iirc they offer full paid package
asciilifeform: jurov: for btc?
kakobrekla: im not saying it cant happen but small fishes dont stand out
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah but once we move assets there it becomes huge fish
jurov: they don't even take linux seriously. don't ask them about btc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, kakobrekla: at least when irc.assets.whatever gets ddosed, we'll know that it's for us and not for some lamer on #l33td00dz or whatnot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00482998 = 2.415 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: this is true.
mircea_popescu: then again...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla keeps being rude and arrogant to customer support ppls
kakobrekla: they are rude.
mircea_popescu: that guy was lulzy.
jurov: he's actually lucky kako did not start with slander
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if you ever get a pet salamander
mircea_popescu: you gotta name it slander
kakobrekla: bah more
assbot: Last 10 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1671540/plain/)
kakobrekla: !b 10
mircea_popescu: slander the slender salamander
Diablo-D3: wtf happened now?
mircea_popescu: btw what does this do
Jere_Jones: I'd just like to reiterate that I appreciate the advice -assets gave me about trying to buy goxbtc. Thanks folks.
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mircea_popescu: !b 65536
kakobrekla: endoftheworld.swf
mircea_popescu: !b $maxint
jurov: !b NaN
mircea_popescu: !b usagi
jurov: usagi is not positive nor integer
mircea_popescu: you dare slander usagi's integrity ?
asciilifeform: any of you folks own a USB fault injector?
mircea_popescu: what are you, like my sockpuppet ?
asciilifeform: or care to recommend one
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is this some new sexual slang ?
asciilifeform: i wanna see what cardano's usb controller does with malformed frames
asciilifeform: (to trip 'fail deadly' mechanism)
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: deposit flush plz
jurov: mircea_popescu: it is already known what happens to mpoe in a hour and half?
jurov: is coinbr likely to survive it? :DDD
mircea_popescu: jurov i can't imagine why coinbr'd suffer.
asciilifeform: do we have some apocalypse scheduled?
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder aite.
Bugpowder: tx tx
asciilifeform: damn i should actually read the logs, shouldn't i
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just the regularly scheduled mpoe statement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00482963 = 0.4443 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: asciilifeform mpoe bot has no info about market rates, so i'm curious how it will autoexercise
bones`: what would it take to be a serious BTC host?
jurov: or if mpoe strts spewing garbage instead
kakobrekla: i think most serial was cloudify or something like that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00482985 = 0.4347 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: bones` like a decade of experience in the field, actual connections, actual rented floor in multiple dcs, working relationships with the dc management, the tier 1 bw providers and parts suppliers.
mircea_popescu: also puppet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00482999 = 0.3864 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds costly.
bones`: It is
kakobrekla: incloudibly is what i ment
diametric: man I wish I had a laser cutter with a powered Z axis
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bones`: That's what I do by trade, and obviously I'm new here trying to expand my mind a bit
kakobrekla: i think that best you can get now :\
asciilifeform: diametric: wonder if something like a powered 'whoopie cushion' would work
bones`: A few others and I have a hosting company but we're only in Philly right now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, it's not as costly as diametric's 3d printer farm
diametric: asciilifeform: that doesn't speak precision to me
mircea_popescu: Bones_ so how many cages you run ?
bones`: Two, we're still small and boostrapped
mircea_popescu: all the cultures the us "invaded" have actually successfuly invaded the us.
bones`: Also bootstrapped
asciilifeform: diametric: hydraulic piston?
diametric: asciilifeform: well my Z is just leadscrews right now manually driven.. really crappy quality at that. I'd be better off just buying a new better laser
mircea_popescu: bones` aha.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00483 = 0.1739 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: diametric: my unit has z-axis with screws and belt. all one would have to do there is add a stepper with roller to turn the belt.
diametric: asciilifeform: i'd be skeptical those screws are very accurate
diametric: err accurate is not the word I meant
diametric: I mean, smooth
mircea_popescu: what are they made of ?
asciilifeform: diametric: you don't need much accuracy if you fix a photocell to the platform, to measure power (since whole point of z-axis is to focus the beam ideally)
diametric: something cheap I'm sure, the leadscrews in mine are really, really crappy.
diametric: asciilifeform: yeah
asciilifeform: so have the beam return to the measuring cell periodically
asciilifeform: (whenever z is to move)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is such a soviet.
mircea_popescu: "eh, you don't need working parts, just add feedback"
diametric: haha
mircea_popescu: "it'll sort itself out"
asciilifeform: so long as it converges, why the hell not.
mircea_popescu: i didn;t say "asciilifeform should be less of a soviet" now did i.
Diablo-D3: holy fucking fuck people
Diablo-D3: everyone shut the fuck up
asciilifeform: (helps if you remember some from differential equations)
Diablo-D3: you all have work to do
Diablo-D3: go do it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.0048378 = 0.1403 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: did you relaunch DMC 5 yet?
mircea_popescu: i don't have work to do.
asciilifeform: diametric: incidentally, you can get a real-time picture of the beam focus using an ordinary usb camera - taking care that it never sits in the sweet spot (smoked ccd)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00086619 = 11.3904 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.08025255 = 0.321 BTC [-] {3}
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: flushed yet? Gotta run shortly.
mircea_popescu: prolly be a little.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.09028588 = 0.632 BTC [-] {3}
Bugpowder: Will check back in an hour
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10107 @ 0.00086422 = 8.7347 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10293 @ 0.00086174 = 8.8699 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the whole of twitter is made up of experts on the ukraine now.
mircea_popescu: it's a sickening display.
Diablo-D3: can we ban people talking about the ukraine?
Diablo-D3: [05:36:38] <kakobrekla> did you relaunch DMC 5 yet?
Diablo-D3: a) 5? what happened to the other 3? b) Im no longer interested in DMC.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile rbs just announced it kinda... misplaced the 100bn the taxpayer provided
mircea_popescu: so i guess another 2-3-500bn is in order.
asciilifeform: usg ought to send me a new passport if the damn thing splits
asciilifeform: (u.s. passports have 'birthplace' field)
mircea_popescu: i'd say it's about 70% settled the crimeea splits off.
kakobrekla: well,... he did mention ukraine.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.00550025 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: lol a little much
ozbot: When Private Patrols Pull The Trigger |
mircea_popescu: brandished a lethal prybar and advanced toward the security guard in a threatening manner
mircea_popescu: "Much of the debate has focused on the ethics and effectiveness of bringing more guns and officers to wealthier parts of Oakland."
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, it's totally unethical for rich people to have better shit than poor people.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phun phact. security detail at the us army lab where i used to work was 100% rentacop
asciilifeform: just like the ones at shopping malls
mircea_popescu: afaik it's pretty much rent a cop everywhere.
mircea_popescu: right, banks, upscale retailers, the works.
asciilifeform: one would imagine that an army base would be guarded by grunts
mircea_popescu: i don't think i know a manhattan hotel that doesn't
asciilifeform: but no.
mircea_popescu: grunts are about as fucking useless as you'd imagine.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11729364 = 0.3519 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59 = 1.18 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: blue rentacops, with very 'western' chromed six-shooters.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots too.
mircea_popescu: cluj airport, about 15 years ago. previously unsecured at all, because well... originally was secured by army, then those went out, a whole story.
mircea_popescu: airport had no security for like a year
mircea_popescu: eventually the head decided they must hire somebody
asciilifeform: haha - and no one stole it.
mircea_popescu: so they hired this ridiculous company, full of basically idiots
mircea_popescu: they lined up about 40% chicks, and it really looked like phi kappa gamma or some shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00471514 = 0.7073 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: one day i went behind one of these "security agents" and took her gun right out of her holster.
mircea_popescu: just like that.
mircea_popescu: gave it to the boss next we met.
mircea_popescu: not like she could have fired it anyway, the gun was a .45 and the chick was like 90 lbs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59999997 = 1.8 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: as i understand, this is routinely done to u.s. cops
asciilifeform: in soviet army, losing your weapon was (theoretically) a capital offense.
mircea_popescu: well romanian army was heavily influenced, so same.
asciilifeform: .45 ACP?
asciilifeform: i thought it only existed on this side of the atlantic
mircea_popescu: iirc it was a ruger
mircea_popescu: very respectable gun, definitely would have sold for more than its "owner", on the open market.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11739982 = 0.2348 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: phun phact: it is said that modern russia still has a huge stockpile of unused 45acp, shipped during 'lend-lease', along with a multitude of 'tommy gun', never used
asciilifeform: (from same)
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you think they'd have been reclaimed during the 90s ?
asciilifeform: sitting in some 'indiana jones' style warehouse
asciilifeform: in the '90s, russian market was full of 'reclaimed' military/police hardware of that period, so not much use for 45
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 32.43982214 BTC to 80`674 shares, 40211 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: (reclaimed in the sense of that guard)
mircea_popescu: lemme see if i can find this footage again
mircea_popescu: seems to have disappeared. anyway.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08133333 = 0.244 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11739999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6477 @ 0.00086689 = 5.6148 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what was it ?
mircea_popescu: troop of gendarmes, losing weapons on march
mircea_popescu: it was a rare sight
mircea_popescu: passerbys were like... hey dude... don't you like... need that ?
asciilifeform: 1) arrange to 'lose' hardware 2) finder 'finds' 3) profit!1!
asciilifeform: is the traditional formula.
mircea_popescu: nah, these were just dazed kids.
mircea_popescu: was in the fucking central square, broad daylight, 1k people around
asciilifeform: anybody picked it up?
mircea_popescu: well nobody wanted it apparently.
asciilifeform: well, no one is likely to 'want' it before sun down.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11599999 = 0.232 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11599999 BTC [-]
ozbot: Russia sent 'several hundred' troops into Ukraine: US official - Yahoo News
nubbins`: go-time
asciilifeform: from 'recommended' tab in that piece: 'Substitute teacher, 72, arrested for furiously masturbating in high school hallway.'
nubbins`: reports of armed soldiers @ the airports
nubbins`: asciilifeform: is there any other way?!
mircea_popescu: "Rome days away from bankruptcy. Eternal city warns it will go bust for the first time since it was destroyed by Nero."
mircea_popescu: let that be a warning to anyone thinking about passing legislation disrespectful of bitcoin :
mircea_popescu: bankruptcy is not only a possibility, but quite a reality.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0525 = 0.2625 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Rome ==== the Detroit of Europe
nubbins`: i've always kind of felt that organized groups of humans are inherently unstable after you surpass a certain size
mircea_popescu: pretty much. gypstaly and all that.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` rome worked ok for along time.
mircea_popescu: "Rome won't even have money to canonize two Popes, John-Paul II and John XXIII"
mircea_popescu: imagine poor wojtyla sitting in heaven,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.59999997 = 1.2 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "hey, you a saint yet ?" "naw, they can't fucking afford the fumigation bill"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.081 = 1.215 BTC [-]
moiety: mew :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00483897 = 0.15 BTC [+] {2}
moiety would reply to mircea but is too busy searching the house for bulldog clips
moiety: thats crazy!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.004839 = 0.1887 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: works on womenz too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00484 = 0.3098 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: if they're cats.
moiety: awwww!!!!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00484 = 0.5324 BTC [+]
moiety: this one is fighting back http://i.imgur.com/k1N13cY.gif
BingoBoingo: And it's March!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1190 @ 0.00484 = 5.7596 BTC [+]
moiety: its not march for you yet bingo!
jurov: nice
BingoBoingo: moiety: How are you to know I'm not traveling?
moiety: because if you were travelling to my timezone, you shouldve told me
moiety: girl logic. simples
BingoBoingo: moiety: What about the african, ocean, or antarctic parts of the timezone?
jurov: and what about moon timezone?
BingoBoingo: I guess Maybe the Moon is UTC as well, but there's no people there to ask.
kakobrekla: doges know about the moon timezone.
moiety: mircea actually posted that hif ages ago, i saved it because it's my whole being in a gif sadly
moiety: but yeah, hadn't thought about the other bits of the timezone
nubbins`: bulldog clips, handy things
nubbins`: we have a clothesline full of 'em
moiety: as my cats are going to find out nubbins` !
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Do doges do time well enough to have that concept?
nubbins`: you're going to clip your cats? :(
moiety: no im kidding
moiety: i couldnt find any clips
nubbins`: GOOD
moiety: im kidding!
kakobrekla: well, the did manage to get fake astronauts suits, so gotta give them some credit.
moiety: btw, what was the name of r3wt's exchange?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Openex.pw
moiety: thanks
moiety: no ne has been daft enough to trade with him have they?
moiety: no one*
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well it was the only place to trade ATC on a website before Apocalyptic did his thing
jurov: $avg
mpexbot: jurov: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
jurov: ;;ticker --market btcavg
gribble: BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 539.89, Best ask: 544.21, Bid-ask spread: 4.32000, Last trade: 540.75, 24 hour volume: 53682.53, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 567.22
jurov: *crosses fingers and uses this as input*
mircea_popescu: jurov don't do that.
mircea_popescu: wait for ann
jurov: ah mkay
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 541.15, vol: 24838.25261283 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 531.2, vol: 12183.12848 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 542.25444, vol: 15293.33238379 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 568.5, vol: 81.45490132 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 551.660382, vol: 7295.14400000 | Volume-weighted last average: 540.723991296
BingoBoingo: Volume is still deficient in Zeros
moiety: we'll be seeing gox staplers and sellotape dispensers on ebay soon
nubbins` raises eyebrow
nubbins`: quick question, mpex signup fees are *not* distributed as mpoe dividends, correct?
jurov: they are
nubbins`: SOMEBODY GIVE ME A FUCKING COMPUTER
jurov: ;;slap nubbins`
gribble slaps nubbins` with a battered trout
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers nubbins`
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
moiety: lol! i love gribble
kakobrekla: nubbins` how else would it have been a ponzi
nubbins`: good point
nubbins` signs up twice so as to get best value for money
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66495 @ 0.00086856 = 57.7549 BTC [+] {8}
moiety: why does gox even still have a value for btcusd?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00087135 = 8.4521 BTC [+]
nubbins`: nostalgia
kakobrekla: cause servers are paid until the end of the month
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.10808001 = 0.5404 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.08264585 = 0.8265 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.08366666 = 0.251 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: youre kidding
nubbins`: often, yes, but right now i'm just pasting links :D
moiety: lol sorry, just derping aloud
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 48 @ 0.00666667 = 0.32 BTC [+]
moiety: i wonder how they plan to buy natwest now then
moiety: santander were meant to but backed out. RBS picked up the tab but not for all branches. only some across scotland. now we have these stupid card readers and about 30 redirects to get to online banking
mircea_popescu: nubbins` was more like 100bn, and also is in log :D
nubbins`: i actually read it today, don't often click links tho ;(
nubbins`: but yah, #46bn is like 85-90bn cad
nubbins`: amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
nubbins`: staggering, even
assbot: STAGGERING COMPANY!
nubbins`: roommates are spitting about how gross it is
kakobrekla: like the shit on the toilet from back in the day?
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: the shitter bought me a bag of potato chips and two cookies as an apology yesterday ;(
kakobrekla: did he say "i smeared it with that, you can now try it out yourself"
nubbins`: no details on the incident were released
moiety: aside from google image search, is there anything that i can search for a picture being wrongly used?
nubbins`: tineye
nubbins`: (canadian!)
moiety: oh thanks very much :D thats fab
nubbins`: so i dropped my rpm challenge CDs off today at the record store, and they gave me a coupon for 15% off my next purchase!
mircea_popescu: so i guess you need blanks then
nubbins`: i had to buy a spindle of cd-rs. felt really weird.
HeySteve: hmm, any news announcement yet?
nubbins`: not sure what i'm going to do with the other 48 of them
nubbins`: o discordia!
moiety: no joy with tineye but i will keep checking, thank you nubbins`
moiety: asciilifeform! did you see the molten metal 3D printer robot? and the one that can print a house in 24 hours? 3D printers aren't as good as lasers but they are still cool.
asciilifeform: moiety: sintering machine? old news
asciilifeform: i think diametric has one
nubbins`: so after a quick google search led me to the wikipedia page about discordia, the story behind EFNet's name is suddenly funnier
asciilifeform: (or maybe not - you need inert gas)
Mats_cd03: .bait
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 278 @ 0.00484 = 1.3455 BTC [+]
HeySteve: discordia is a dark tower thing isn't it? what's that to do with EFNet?
nubbins`: among other things, it is indeed mentioned in the dark tower
asciilifeform: moiety: sintering printer typically uses the same setup as laser cutter, with a bucket full of powdered Al or whichever metal where the bed would normally go
nubbins`: discordia is the latin name of the greek goddess eris
asciilifeform: you fuze a layer, then spread more powder, and so on, until the piece is complete
nubbins`: who was the goddess of strife, chaos, and discord
moiety: asciilifeform: i was just looking it up. the laarman prototype from earlier in feb?
ozbot: MX3D printing - YouTube
asciilifeform: moiety: the basic concept goes back to the '80s
asciilifeform: none of this is really new.
nubbins`: the lel being that EFNet (eris-free network) got its name after its predecessor network delinked a server called irc.eris.<tld>
moiety: jesus 80s?
nubbins`: because eris sucked so bad
nubbins`: and with a name like that, how could it not!
nubbins`: sorry, eris.berkeley.edu
nubbins`: either way
nubbins`: bit of a chuckle
asciilifeform: moiety: the machine pictured in the video is just a tig welder attached to xyz arm, it seems
ozbot: MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: and there it is.
nubbins`: wow.
nubbins`: such div
moiety: it just looks so cool asciilifeform ... it's all exciting to me still lol
mod6: O_O
Duffer1: PR, 2.875 :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67520 @ 0.0008656 = 58.4453 BTC [-] {6}
nubbins`: :O just finished reading
nubbins` marks calendar
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 183179 @ 0.00084112 = 154.0755 BTC [-] {18}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.11 = 1.65 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if mpex acct costs 30, how did 'from new accts' add up to 70?
Bugpowder: nice month!
asciilifeform: can i buy 1/3 of an acct?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can generate either 30 btc or 20 btc
mircea_popescu: depending on whether people use referrals or not
mircea_popescu: referral = each gets 5 rebate, the referrer and the referred.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29761 @ 0.00087236 = 25.9623 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: 1/3 of account has SELL disabled, do not buy
asciilifeform: 'instead of office chair, package contained bobcat. A++, would trade again'
Bugpowder: well that's kinda annoying... Someone sold to 75000?
nubbins`: those things are expensive!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00488995 = 2.445 BTC [+]
nubbins`: lel @ alt ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 696 @ 0.0048934 = 3.4058 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: wait, it's friday, isn't it?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1256 @ 0.00499775 = 6.2772 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: Slum landlords pocketing social assistance money for rent - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: a slum landlord owns maybe half of the houses on my street
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.005 = 0.38 BTC [+] {4}
asciilifeform: nubbins`: wait - what are they supposed to pocket as rent ?
nubbins`: oh, you!
Duffer1: I mostly specify this as a parting fuck you broadside to the MtGox troop of idiots, who thought that perhaps if they re-do the original MtGox “hack” I may have trouble. It’s cute, I guess, in the sense of a bunch of ducks trying to work together to provoke waves that’ll sink a neighbouring battleship.
nubbins`: i once called this slumlord to inform him that i was getting the city to clean up the apartment's worth of possessions his workers dumped on the sidewalk, on his dime
nubbins`: halfway through the conversation he interrupts me with "what are you telling me for?", followed by a toilet flushing
nubbins`: had a good lel at that after i calmed down
asciilifeform: 'If they're taking in taxpayer dollars to provide accommodations for their tenants, there should be some oversight — especially by government — as to what people are living in.'
asciilifeform: imagine if this actually happened
nubbins`: well the next logical step would be oversight as to what the tenants spend their remaining money on
BingoBoingo: Wow, Bitcoin finally outgrew fiat exchanges
asciilifeform: (see the 'last psychiatrist' piece mp linked to the other day)
mircea_popescu: so basically the canadian government actually wants to run everything or what
nubbins`: and good luck with that
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not without some trepidation.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, the cbc wants that, but the government doesn't
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: This is so much more thrilling than last spring.
nubbins`: (incidentally, this is a provincial, not a federal, thing)
mircea_popescu: it IS always the spring, isn't it.
nubbins` thinks
nubbins`: actually, no, it's not
nubbins`: anyway, there's no solution
copumpkin: omg lord master mircea_popescu has decreed that the price be $500
copumpkin: and it will be so
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: so dividend gets paid March 3?
mircea_popescu: copumpkin ;/
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i to do
nubbins`: so a house gets bedbugs. the landlord fumigates at great expense. the dirtbags infest the place again. repeat ad infinitum.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Indeed. SHit happend in spring. Then calms during the summer when schoolkids have too much time, a bit of drama happens in the fall, there is a bit of winter buildup, then SPRING
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I don't know! just commenting
mircea_popescu: at least mine's platonially solid.
copumpkin debates selling his MPOE shares
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'zyklon-b' ?
mircea_popescu: platonically*
nubbins`: alternately: a house gets bedbugs. the tenants fumigate at great expense. the bedbugs come back from the house next door. repeat ad infinitum.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` is it expensive to fumigate ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0051 = 0.255 BTC [+]
nubbins`: well the problem is most of downtown is row houses, attached on both sides. generally fumigation doesn't do shit
BingoBoingo: Prolly expensive in Canada, but in canada everything is expensive.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, everything but the drugs
mircea_popescu: (i've never fumigated anything. oddly enough, bedbugs etc do not exist in romania)
nubbins`: they didn't exist here either until the past couple years
nubbins`: this is a very recent thing
mircea_popescu: welfare helps all bugs and cockroaches across the board
mircea_popescu: not just the bipedal ones.
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: would you mind flushing another deposit before my laptop battery dies?
asciilifeform: story goes that they were re-introduced from somewhere in mexico.
nubbins`: the other problem is that welfare tenants generally won't tell the landlord if the house is infested.
nubbins`: the only clues are a succession of stained mattresses and couches left on the sidewalk over a period of several weeks
mircea_popescu: nubbins` or anyone else anything else, for that matter.
mircea_popescu: i vividly recall this discussion between a veterinarian and a inner city md
mircea_popescu: vet : "well, it's easier to be an md, at least your patients can tell you wtf is wrong"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 44 @ 0.0055 = 0.242 BTC
asciilifeform: 20th c. wants to come back! measles, polio...
mircea_popescu: md : "its much easier to be a vet. animals don't lie"
nubbins`: animals don't just want a prescription for ritalin
nubbins`: people don't hide in cat carriers
nubbins`: i'd say it's about even
BingoBoingo: Dogs and crackheads both bite though
nubbins`: there ya go
nubbins`: common ground
mircea_popescu: you mean bitches
BingoBoingo: Nah, bitches behave
BingoBoingo: Ratchets on the other hand
mircea_popescu: is behave short for beaver shave ?
nubbins`: so loquacious ;p
mircea_popescu: o who wanted to be pinged when this is published
ozbot: Vince Li's new freedoms outrage Manitoba MP Shelly Glover - Manitoba - CBC News
nubbins`: ^ this guy cut a man's head off on a greyhound bus
Bugpowder: whoops.. Finally read to the bottom.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: HeySteve2 wanted the ping
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess a guy's gotta have goals in life.
nubbins`: y'know, i feel like i'd enjoy nordic prison
mircea_popescu: did he want gta4 or what ?
nubbins`: burn down a church? here's a synthesizer!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17800 @ 0.0007963 = 14.1741 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.mpex
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
mircea_popescu: $vwap s.mpoe
HeySteve: <nubbins`> ^ this guy cut a man's head off on a greyhound bus < I would be cranky too if I had to use public transport
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00086156 high: 0.00087256 low: 0.00075 volume: 1438116 btc: 1239.0294164 7 day: average: 0.00087156 high: 0.0008982 low: 0.00075 volume: 7049383 btc: 6143.97817607 30 day: average: 0.0008793 high: 0.00096 low: 0.00075 volume: 28915312 btc: 25425.2607003
nubbins`: had to? he coulda flown!
mircea_popescu: tbh, in some places public transport is a delight.
nubbins`: they tried to market the bus here as "your own 40 foot limo", to much derision
mircea_popescu: generally, large uni centers etc.
asciilifeform: 'greyhound', for people on the other side of the ocean, is a 'tourist' bus, kitted out like an airplane
nubbins`: generally people don't have to wait in the cold for an hour to get a limo, though
asciilifeform: rather than an ordinary city bus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i spent months going through the eastern us on greyhounds
mircea_popescu: it was very informative.
asciilifeform: most people here take the 'chinese' bus instead, these days
ozbot: jonathan richman - you're crazy for taking the bus - YouTube
asciilifeform: exactly like 'greyhound' but costs 1/3.
nubbins`: ^ relevant song, also very informative
moiety: nubbins`: bed bugs a) have nothing to do with the hygiene of a place and b) can hop to the house next door
nubbins`: moiety: that's where my fears come from, yep
moiety: can't** sorry
nubbins`: oh yes they can!
mircea_popescu: of course they can
moiety: not a building they cannot
mircea_popescu: and of course they have to do with the hygiene. what are oyu talking about ?
nubbins`: if you live in a city that looks like this, they most definitely can hop to the house next door: http://imgur.com/1SntHHD
moiety: they like fuckin blood not dirt
mircea_popescu: moiety this may be true, but they do have migration patterns.
mircea_popescu: they're not like blood seeking missiles their entire lives.
moiety: no i can't see them migrating like geese their way door-to-door down a street though
mircea_popescu: (and if they didn't migrate, you'd have difficulty explaining how the fuck they even exist in the americas in the first place)
nubbins`: who said door to door?
nubbins`: i share two walls with neighbours
moiety: sorry i thought thats what you meant when you said fromthe house next door
BingoBoingo: Honestly I am more concerned about ticks when I go outside than bedbugs invading my space. This stuff used generously at points of egress keeps all kinds of small undesirables out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatomaceous_earth
moiety: oh christ i didn't realise we were being literal as to entry points. i honestly don't think bedbugs use doors
nubbins`: you don't see ticks here
nubbins`: moiety, they're not tall enough to reach the handle, for starters
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Because you live in an icy wasteland
moiety: lololol
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: shush, it's only icy for like 7 months.
moiety: maybe they could work together
mircea_popescu: lmao bedbug tower
moiety: yes! like the sheep from wallace and gromit
mircea_popescu: spray with tit silicone, put on display
ozbot: Swiss Arms Classic Green rifle ban to be reviewed by government - Politics - CBC News
nubbins`: cbc is actually interesting today
BingoBoingo: I mean I don't trust bedbugs because they fuck by cesarean. Ticks though carry all kinds of nasty diseases and fumigating "The Great Outdoors" is difficult.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know real men don't get lyme
nubbins`: there are actually relatively few things that can kill you here
nubbins`: aside from, y'know, the elements.
moiety: like this ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38550 @ 0.0008 = 30.84 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.10800003 = 0.216 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's quite a few other nastier diseases than lyme. Lyme just gets the press because pseudo-medicine makes better news.
moiety: my house is to be assessed for something called Legionnaires apparently.
mircea_popescu: moiety take moar cold showers.
nubbins`: eeee, yipes
nubbins`: there were a few big legionnaires outbreaks in canada the past couple years
nubbins`: something like 2 dozen people in an old folks home died in 2012 i think
moiety: is it very bad? they have to assess rented flats every two years by law my letter says
moiety: hi pete :)
mircea_popescu: moiety it's not that bad. wear something loose.
bitcoinpete: It's incredibly late here in bruxelles but I thought I'd leave my latest von blooog post for your casual readying enjoyment.
ozbot: Patience En Ville | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: I'm off to bed, then I'll be in the logs as usual.
bitcoinpete: Cheers and bon soir
moiety: my bathroom is very clean, i will say that
nubbins`: charlie's in the trees, pete's in the logs
mircea_popescu: an' teh poofs are in the pudding
nubbins`: there's a dick surgery song where it's discussed that the details are also in the pudding
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39800 @ 0.00079865 = 31.7863 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [+]
nubbins`: well. "song" is being generous
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38009 @ 0.00077761 = 29.5562 BTC [-] {2}
moiety: BingoBoingo: i decided what to do with my btc domain. im making a scottish item shop. not giving up on my stamping plan though
BingoBoingo: moiety: Solid decision
moiety: you mean it?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Yeah, much better than a decision where you have to stamp every product and in the process look like Rosie the Riveter. Being Bitcoin's source for Scottish shit sounds like something worth trying.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114260 @ 0.00075144 = 85.8595 BTC [-] {3}
moiety: lol actually... i hadnt thought of that.. "sorry your order is delayed.. i'm not very fit and i got tired making it"
nubbins`: canned haggis
MisterE: fuck that
moiety: ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
MisterE: Shagging sheeps
MisterE: or is that a scouser thing?
nubbins`: somebody give me the elevator pitch on buttercoin.com
BingoBoingo: moiety: I though we touched on that problem when you presented the plan. Stamping metal with a hammer is tiring work
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Herpitty Derp derp
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i can;t believe it's not margerine.
nubbins`: ty, that works
moiety: i thought it be ok because they were small things BingoBoingo btw there is people opening a dog cafe and a cat cafe in london. edinburgh seems to have none.....
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I can't find your key on my keyserver
copumpkin: I'm on a different computer and found I didn't have it in my list
copumpkin: keys.gnupg.net
copumpkin: which should I be searching for?
copumpkin: oh you have the key in the page
BingoBoingo: I'm rather surprised http://bitbet.us/bet/769/crimea-2-electric-boogaloo/ isn't getting more action yet as it focuses on the most important precedent this recent crimea lulz covers.
moiety: omg i have it all planned out, we could totally do a bar. bingoboingo barman, asciilifeform doing the laser lights, nubbins` sorting pest control, bugpowder green flourescent protein glowsticks, benkay on music and mircea dancing girls!
moiety: or not
nubbins`: as much as i'd like to move overseas to wield a can of raid
BingoBoingo: moiety: Honestly if you want to open a bar the best place to position your business in relation to me is one such that I am a customer.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0837 = 0.2511 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05150011 = 0.103 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.13311598 = 0.2662 BTC [-]
moiety: BingoBoingo: you're right, you can prop up the bar
moiety: or remove riff raff
BingoBoingo: I could do both.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin it's on my blog
copumpkin: yeah got it :)
moiety: ok, not paying you twice so will pay in alcohol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe people dunno wtf boogaloo is supposed to be
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> as much as i'd like to move overseas to wield a can of raid << lmao
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I though the Internet was strong enough people know electric boogaloo's are sequels.
mircea_popescu: your customer service sucs
mircea_popescu: and is arrgorant
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I keep getting unrecognized signature even though I'm using the same key I used to sign up :(
copumpkin: says to email you my key but I did that long long ago :P
mircea_popescu: copumpkin did you ever re-email it as per teh verification last year /
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copumpkin: oh, no
copumpkin: I wasn't paying attention
copumpkin: that was a thing?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Really the point of Ukraine as of now isn't the end political outcome, as far as that bet is concerned. It's determining how overtly "Black Ops" can happen in a white people country before commandos have to have affiliations, because Geneva protocols and conventions and such.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I guess you have no way to contact me or even any knowledge of me having an account :P
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mircea_popescu: copumpkin mpex may be the only entity in bitcoin which has gone two years without sending a single greatly informative and muchly important email blast.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, lemme dig it for you.
copumpkin: only because you don't have my email!
copumpkin: should I just email you the key again?
nubbins`: just email mine instead
copumpkin: (goes to show how active a user I am)
copumpkin: nubbins`: lol
mircea_popescu: well technically you could extract some sort of email from gpg keys, but i never bothered to.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: office@polimedia? that's where the old one went
nubbins`: 'cause, y'know, it'd work or something
BingoBoingo: OMG copumpkin is selling his S.MPOE, sell first!!!
copumpkin: BingoBoingo: nah, trying to remember how much I have
copumpkin: and I can't even run a STAT: P
mircea_popescu: eleven bentlees
copumpkin: that'd be amusing
copumpkin: I don't think I can even afford one bentley though
nubbins`: bentleys are vulgar
mircea_popescu: o look, greene sueing mtgox
mircea_popescu: copumpkin anyone with s.mpoe stock should afford a bentley!
copumpkin: I don't think I bought enough of it back then
mircea_popescu: copumpkin bentleys are divisible, so you should at least get a few bentloshis.
copumpkin: lol I hope so
moiety: LOL
copumpkin: but what keyserver can I find your keys on?
copumpkin: I want to encrypt my email to office but I can't find the key for it
mircea_popescu: i has no idea ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Still looking at the legal history of Illinois governors, being a n00b and being pissed about Gox because he was too good for warnings makes his Derping rather inconsequential in the history of embarassing things about Illinois
copumpkin: oh well
mircea_popescu: it's impossible to keep track of keyservers and i kind-of gave up.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the law firm is the key there.
mircea_popescu: they wanted to do the suit. it's clearly a zerocost thing.
copumpkin: okay, emailed and encrypted :D
nubbins`: best thing that ever happened to illinois was a sufjan stevens album
mircea_popescu: talking about how it's a "natural extension of their practice" and whatnot
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copumpkin: mircea_popescu: where would you say you fall on the political spectrum?
mircea_popescu: asshole.
copumpkin: so you want to be a politician
mircea_popescu: maybe vajina some days.
mircea_popescu: where do you fall ?
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Eh, if it isn't Cueto and Cueto it isn't an Illinois enough case
mircea_popescu: "So, we don’t have to worry about Japanese laws and how they apply."
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I'm firmly in the "don't be an asshole" camp :)
copumpkin: I'm sure that's a huge surprise to you
mircea_popescu: hallo we are 12 and don't need to worry about our asshole.
mircea_popescu: copumpkin lol
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mircea_popescu: obviously, as you'd imagine, my view is that the world is split among the assholes that admit it and the assholes that don't.
copumpkin: I actually don't entirely disagree
mircea_popescu: also asshole kinda looks like fasole,
mircea_popescu: which is romanian for beans
mircea_popescu: which are empirically related
BingoBoingo: What is it with people trying to do anything in Illinois and not realizing you have to buy whatever jurisdiction you want to operate in, either outright or as a time-share
nubbins`: i made refried beans for the first time last week
nubbins`: i think i mentioned it at the time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe they has ? tbh the dumbledore lawyer guy sort-of evokes jackie chiles for me.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: do you have some sort of defense against replay attacks on mpex btw? what if I send a "sell X" command and someone sniffs it and sends it again?
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nubbins`: it's too bad they're called that in english, because it's kind of a rotten name for a food
mircea_popescu: copumpkin try it ?
copumpkin: all I get for now is "unrecognized signature" :)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` if that's your ocmplaint what about tossed salad ?
mircea_popescu: copumpkin clearly secure then :D
nubbins`: we call it garden salad here
mircea_popescu: but srsly, yes.
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: as you can imagine, tossed salad brings jelly-covered anus to mind
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha omfg no fucking way
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i finally clicked your link. DO THESE ATTORNEYS EVEN LEAFT!
mircea_popescu: s/ATTORNEYS/ATTORNYES
nubbins`: ATTRNOYES
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: will I get some sort of confirmation when the key is accepted?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: See, like the Groupons of the Illinois legal game
mircea_popescu: copumpkin yeah
copumpkin: cool
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: what's your opinion on the whole gox thing, think they'll get back up after a while? :P
copumpkin watches MPOE crash to 0.000000001
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo does that page look as broken to you as it does to me or is it just a case of "our designer made it look good in chrome"
mircea_popescu: Azelphur you can freely trade mtgox debt for bitcoinica debt on a 1:1 parity
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: keybase.io, does that look like something you'd use?
mircea_popescu: or any other parity your favourite rng suggests.
Azelphur: so no, then xD
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They used some javascript in the layout it seems. Works ok in the factory firefox install, not in the useful firefox install though
Azelphur: I was a plonker and bought gox debt
mircea_popescu: copumpkin "Keybase will be a public directory of publicly auditable public keys. All paired, for convenience, with unique usernames."
mircea_popescu: explain ?
mircea_popescu: in like, nonretard english.
mircea_popescu: "I graduated cum laude with a degree in philosophy from Brandeis University and received my J.D. from the University of Michigan Law School"
copumpkin: as far as I can tell, their goals are: 1) provide a standard mechanism to link online accounts in a crpytographically secure way that doesn't require trust of their servers 2) make gpg more user-friendly
mircea_popescu: dude brandeis is where the mass governor's escorts go to school.
copumpkin: so they have a website that lets you link online profiles and a command-line tool that talks to the site and calls gpg
copumpkin: ultimately, they're mostly a fancier keyserver
mircea_popescu: i guess.
BingoBoingo: I know. People who care go to SIU.
copumpkin: Azelphur: pl0nk
mircea_popescu: copumpkin so why do i want to use them ?
Azelphur: I'm 97 BTC deep in gox, bought at ~0.14 (so 15 BTC)
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: I dunno, they're pretty, and seem to provide some nice identity linkage stuff that seems handy. Otherwise, not much point :)
copumpkin: I like the service
copumpkin: mostly because I want more people to use gpg
mircea_popescu: so basically what, they scrape social media sites for snippets signed by x sig ? a la gribble except spammier ?
copumpkin: yeah, basically
mircea_popescu: i cant see any harm in it
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mircea_popescu: i wouldn't personally use it because i don't actually use any social media sites.
copumpkin: ah, fair enough :)
mircea_popescu: except i guess twitter but i don't really gas if x is y or not there
kakobrekla: goes to twitter to tell the world, "i dun use social meddia situes"
nubbins`: so how do you know who's going to trivia night on tuesday?!
nubbins`: talk to people?
nubbins`: DO YOU EVEN INTERNET
mircea_popescu: i mostly pay people to internet for me.
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mircea_popescu: which reminds me of the joke with the jooz.
nubbins`: ah, that's fair
copumpkin: I bet you're paying someone to type these messages right now, while someone else is giving you a rusty trombone
mircea_popescu: nah, that was earlier
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well Twitter's upside is that you can school someone in front of their internet friends and make their internet friends wonder why they associated in the first place.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i mostly use it because it's full of derps of the "holier than thou" school of assholery.
mircea_popescu: i like those.
gesell1: BingoBoingo mircea_popescu I may go knock on Jay's door on monday
mircea_popescu: but anyway, one day when i'm rich i'll splurge and get myself a smartphone
BingoBoingo: gesell1: Who the hell is Jay?
MisterE: fuck smartphones
mircea_popescu: and then the whole universe of social media sites will lay open before me
copumpkin: sounds awesome
MisterE: I'm in front of a computer enough
MisterE: I dont need one with me
BingoBoingo: Eh, I used to have smartphones.
copumpkin: I have a smartphone but I hate using it
mircea_popescu: gesell1 aite.
gesell1: BingoBoingo: the lawyer you linked too
copumpkin: iphone4, so slow it's too unpleasant to use
nubbins`: copumpkin: there's an easy solution there ;p
copumpkin: I made the mistake of installing ios7
mircea_popescu: gesell1 is he actually smart irl ?
copumpkin: and now it's unusably slow
MisterE: I look around me and everyone's face is buried in their phones I think its sad
copumpkin: so I just don't do anything on it
gesell1: mircea_popescu: i have no idea. does he need to be?
nubbins`: copumpkin, generally it's less of a good idea to update ios after new hardware comes out.
BingoBoingo: gesell1: Ah, that one. I just prefer the lower parts of the state.
copumpkin: except, err, make phone calls
mircea_popescu: MisterE ikr? at least they could have the decency to get the salmon colored models.
copumpkin: nubbins`: yeah yeah, but they don't let us downgrade, so oh well :)
nubbins`: aren't you glad you bought in?
mircea_popescu: gesell1 yes, it usually helps if the lawyer putting together a cas is smart.
MisterE: my GF's iP 4 runs iOS 7 fine
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is why I only use lawyers with Drive throughs.
copumpkin: MisterE: I hear it gets better with the latest 7.* update where you can disable effects
copumpkin: but mine is painfully slow
gesell1: well so i will find out monday
mircea_popescu: copumpkin can it boil an egg at least ?
MisterE: I dunno it's the GFs and I dont go there
copumpkin: nope :(
mircea_popescu: gesell1 be sure to report bacl :D
MisterE: last thing I want is to support her phone
gesell1: is there a problem if I pursue mtgox from 3 different lawyers at once?
kakobrekla: but you are supporting here
MisterE: lol you're suing Gox?
kakobrekla: and so apple.
MisterE: talk abotu throwing good money after bad
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i blame ever for the apple.
mircea_popescu: MisterE i'd be much surprised if the lawyer charges anything.
gesell1: MisterE: no im just in the initial stages of contacting each and every collective that is gathering to sue
MisterE: pro bono?
kakobrekla: i would not even consider iphone using female fyi.
mircea_popescu: he's in it for positioning, which is strategically sound
mircea_popescu: MisterE no, just 99.9x% of any eventual proceeds.
mircea_popescu: gesell1 how much did you manage to donate via gox ?
MisterE: oh, I doubt there will be anything of value left for creditors
MisterE: but if there is you can be sure lawyers will get theirs
MisterE: donate lol
gesell1: mircea_popescu: over 100btc
kakobrekla: you gonna lose more coins suing than gain
MisterE: ouch
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Around here most lawyers handling those sorts of complaints work on contingency, so they only get paid if they win
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the way the legal profession works in the us is that sometimes lawyers take cases for free, when they figure the bread is buttered on the other side.
kakobrekla: yeah but paid from where
kakobrekla: with what
kakobrekla: from who
nubbins`: from the booty
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Asbestos companies usually
nubbins`: sort of like a mortgage advisor
nubbins`: they work for "free"
nubbins`: where free = a portion of your mortgage
kakobrekla: the only way out of here is bernankecoin the way i see it.
gesell1: pitty, i could find no bernankecoin
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the lawyer wants bitcoin fame. that's free to him, as he has no cases anyway.
mircea_popescu: a noob lawyer with a shitty jd and no connection is basically equally qualified as a plumber.
kakobrekla: so they are not really getting paid as you said but whoreing out
mircea_popescu: and if he actually manages to get some dough from tibanne, all the better.
nubbins`: gesell1, it's called bernankoin i think
nubbins`: ;;google bernankoin
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mircea_popescu: not like his "clients" will see any of it.
mircea_popescu: judging by the school he went to, he's being supported by either generous parents or generous husband.
mircea_popescu: so it all makes sense.
BingoBoingo: I dunno of any person in Illinois who while certified as a plummer and holding a JD would pratice law over practicing plumbing
gesell1: mircea_popescu: at the moment there appears to be only a few places to go. or only a few lawyers persuing the issue
BingoBoingo: Plumbing just pays better than law
mircea_popescu: gesell1 i wasn't saying you sohu;dn't, by any means
mircea_popescu: just explaining how the thing works.
mircea_popescu: anyway : their top claim to fame is that they settled an amazon cas for ~150k
mircea_popescu: which went to charity.
mircea_popescu: bush league does not begin to describe.
KRS-One: I have a friend who is a roofer who makes as much as an attorney and then some.
nubbins`: skilled trades, man
KRS-One: he does the easy shit and runs a crew
mircea_popescu: (they also represented the Blagojevich dood. also for free, also to no particular effect)
BingoBoingo: I really don't understand the point of retaining an unconnected lawyer
nubbins`: that said, his body will be wrecked by the time he's 45
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know blag ?
nubbins`: and he'll be taking orders from a guy ten years his junior
moiety: is it just me or does that lawyer dude look a wee bit like simon cowel?
gesell1: i assumed/hoped that the class action litigation that gets the most attention from the community will wind up with the most resources to devote to getting possible results
KRS-One: nubbins` you aint kiddin..except he's the business owner
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'm the other end of the state.
BingoBoingo: The feudalism end
KRS-One: he is real dumb and needs me to get a roofing license (take exams and shit) said I can make $100K/yr without doing a thing just holding the license.
mircea_popescu: gesell1 i think you grossly misrepresent the substance of the sort of clueless idiots that still; had btc on gox.
mircea_popescu: it's hardly a community and it definitely has no resources.
nubbins`: KRS-One, might as well.
KRS-One: i have to speak to an attorney to see what kind of liability it opens me up to..supposedly i can do it with no risk or liability.
gesell1: mircea_popescu: there were $40m worth of BTC waiting on Gox on one reddit comment thread alone. that could create resources
mircea_popescu: money you don't have does not create resources, no.
KRS-One: nubbins`: he has been using his dad's general contractor's license but his dad is real old now and wont be doing it much longer
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: In the US the only thing you can acquire with a license is risk and liability
KRS-One: so bam this might be nice coin
KRS-One: BingoBoingo: i know I am skeptical
mircea_popescu: “Since we’ve been sitting here on the phone, I’ve seen three emails come in.”
mircea_popescu: ahahah how epic is that.
KRS-One: it nice to know a roofer..i got a new roof put on my house for real cheap, just labor and materials.
moiety: this is why its good to know a mechanic too
KRS-One: took forever to get him to do it tho
KRS-One: moiety: yep. marine and diesel mechanics make most i think
KRS-One: i was stupid. i went to college.
nubbins`: i had my roof redone last summer
nubbins`: wait, no, summer before
nubbins`: fucking mansard roofs
nubbins`: $$$$
BingoBoingo: Well, the boring olf gasoline car mechanic that fixed the mess I made trying to fix that saturn made decent money for his time.
nubbins`: "know what'd be a good idea? if none of this shit was right angles"
moiety: i think my roof might fall off. i saw slates outside on the ground
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe your roof buries some pets
BingoBoingo: moiety: You and your fancy european roofs. Here shingles are made out of asphalt and cat litter
moiety: lolololol
mircea_popescu: my shingles are made of detcord and baby tears.
moiety: I'm scared to see your homes....
BingoBoingo: detsord would never work with the weather here.
nubbins`: my home is quaint, but only because of the lack of detcord and kitty litter
moiety: did you guys see the £150 house that gets rented out for milk?
BingoBoingo: No, but I've considered buying a block of $200 houses in detroit and starting a farm
mircea_popescu: moiety breast milk ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well detcord would make your house move somewhere else then
KRS-One: mircea_popescu: depending on the roof, the shingles arent what keeps the water out. main protection for a roof comes from the tar paper that covers the wood. shingles only keep the sun from runing the tar paper.
KRS-One: if it werent for the sun and other things you dont even need shingles.
mircea_popescu: KRS-One that may be generallky true, but i come from transylvania, which invented wood shingle roofing.
mircea_popescu: allow me to show you :
moiety: mircea_popescu: it doesn't specify.......
BingoBoingo: KRS-One: Most of the world operates on the assumption shingles move the water
KRS-One: thats what i have, wood shingle..cedar. Its one of the best you can get.
KRS-One: BingoBoingo yep
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: you'd need to truck in soil
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mircea_popescu: 230 year old, that thing. all wood. no metal.
KRS-One: the BEST ROOF: flat deck (gravel)
KRS-One: wow nice
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Or to many other places. The most recent local tornado didn't come within a mile, but other weird wind anamolies still had things impacting the roof in interestng ways
KRS-One: thats really neat to have history behind your home.
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nubbins`: the top of my roof is tar pitch
nubbins`: sides are shingled
KRS-One: i dont know what tar pitch is
KRS-One: hnn
BingoBoingo: Maybe I should get the next roof done in pitchblend!!!
nubbins`: they use a flamethrower to melt coal tar all over it
moiety: mircea_popescu: that's so cute. it just needs broadband and its perfect!
KRS-One: ah yes flatdek?
KRS-One: flat deck
nubbins`: sandwiched with layers of tar paper
nubbins`: prolly the same thing you're thinking of
KRS-One: thats the best type of roof to have..many commercial buildings have that
nubbins`: self-healing
KRS-One: yea
nubbins`: as long as you have any amount of summer
KRS-One: i've heard horror stories where roofers fell off and into the hot kettle of tar
nubbins`: popular for the row houses here, most of which have flat roofs
KRS-One: a popular one here in Florida are concrete shingle..i did some roofing when i was younger..talk about hard work.
nubbins`: looks nice tho
KRS-One: gets so hot on the roof tops you can get burned by just picking up your hammer on the metal side
KRS-One: you have to be a tough bastard to work in roofing year round..i think doing concrete work was actually easier.
KRS-One: i did both for a while..they both sucked.
KRS-One: those jobs were my main motivator for going to college.
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nubbins`: re: russian cargo planes landing in crimea
nubbins`: "Astakhov said the people in the planes refused to identify themselves and waved off customs officials, saying they didn't require their services."
mircea_popescu: they sound exactly like bitcoin people.
mircea_popescu: also, this shit's pretty epic:
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mircea_popescu: this chick should be in my harem already.
mircea_popescu: "We need a third party!" Come on, do you think the media will allow you to have a third party? John Anderson, Ross Perot, Ralph Nader-- they let them through to "show" third party candidates aren't any more serious than Howard Stern when he ran for governor. Poor Ron Paul pulls in more people than porn but he can't get a break, sorry buddy, 100 years too late for your kind. There's a difference between what you ne
mircea_popescu: ed and what you want, and the media will always, relentlessly give you what you want. Do you know why you have such poor candidates every single election? Because you want them, you want someone you can easily judge for some sexual indiscretion or because they called latinos chicanos. "Well, that matters to us!" Then you got what you asked for.
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nubbins`: yeah, read that
nubbins`: depressing more than anything
mircea_popescu: i dun live there, so to me it's mostly funny
nubbins`: it's funny to you because you're rich ;D
mircea_popescu: and an asshole.
nubbins`: you don't think the people shouting over each other at general assemblies were assholes?!
mircea_popescu: no. assholes are never idiots,
mircea_popescu: and idiots aren't really assholes, they're just idiots.
KRS-One: not at all
mircea_popescu: like you know, a rock falling down a cliff isn't a car.
mircea_popescu: even if it does move.
kakobrekla: dam kids breaking the logs again
nubbins`: what next, my lips and anus aren't a hot dog?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if hot chick lips and anus hot-dogs are a delicacy in china.
mircea_popescu: i suppose throw in the vulva too.
decimation: mircea - these guys appear to be curating btc exchange data http://www.netagio.com/market-data
mircea_popescu: "guaranteed 13 to 19yo"
nubbins`: well, ya need a bit of salt
mircea_popescu: decimation you know who runs it /
BingoBoingo: Eh, seriously Russia being in Crimea is not interesting at all. The only interesting point is how long they can go without commiting regular forces to the endeavor.
nubbins`: anecdote: a friend was approached by a young (~13yo) girl asking for a cigarette. friend says "you're too young to smoke"
nubbins`: girl says "lick my salty piss-flaps"
mircea_popescu: decimation pounds and euro ? i already got a euro future and what are these pounds
decimation: it's the goldmoney guy
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decimation: he's seen the future and he wants in on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: decimation do you knw him ?
decimation: no I'm just an interested bystander
mircea_popescu: well unless he somehow finds his way here...
BingoBoingo: Eh, when people too young ask me for cigarettes I usually tell them I have cancer and ask them if they really want a cigarette.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the obvious response was to offer the whole pack for a bj
BingoBoingo: Anymore a bj is cheaper than a pack of smokes
decimation: I suspect this guy is involved somehow, he is associated with goldmoney http://jamesturkblog.blogspot.com/
mircea_popescu: i kind-of wonder how long reddit will take to digest teh latest mpoe release.
mircea_popescu: my money's kind-of on "never" tbh.
mircea_popescu: o, james turk, goldbug guy. makes sense.
decimation: yeah he's a hardcore goldbug and tries to cash in on that audience
decimation: but he also appears to be interested in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: well... maybe one day he gets here.
mircea_popescu: im still looking for someone to run a delivered gold future.
decimation: yeah it seems that this netagio is a spinoff of some kind. I'm surprised that he or his staff hasn't contacted you
decimation: I think they are building a good foundation before going big, unlike some out there...
mircea_popescu: on a lark i'd venture a guess that <1% of irl businesses have a truely global internet listening program going.
mircea_popescu: it'd be certainly within what they can afford, financially
mircea_popescu: sadly, it's not within what they can afford intellectually.
decimation: Oh no, they spend $$$ on facebook monitors
mircea_popescu: and so it goes, lots of deaf and blind
decimation: but that's not listening to anything...
mircea_popescu: decimation i suppose it's like with everything else, blow the website budget on css.
mircea_popescu: incidentally i suppose you've stumbled on a perfectly valid business model, the translators among WoTs will be tomorrow's lawyers.
mircea_popescu: definitely as obscenely well paid.
decimation: well, each big corp has a WoT that generally consists of the CEO's drinking buddies
decimation: it's surprising that the internet hasn't linked those WoTs...
BingoBoingo: Bonus, it pisses off the liberal arts majors because they can only translate wrong languages
mircea_popescu: huge market there.
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, most of the power women have in western society comes strictly from that bridging role.
mircea_popescu: it's not the unshaven idiots blathering on tv about "Rights" and other stuff that do anything.
mircea_popescu: it's the sluts that fuck different ceos.
mircea_popescu: that's 99% of female power.
decimation: it shows up as a virtue as well
mircea_popescu: well it is a virtue.
decimation: most effective female 'leaders' I have seen are school-marm types who know how to connect the right people and step away
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mircea_popescu: but about 1bn dollars spent on "women in tech"-esque programs dedicated to highschooler girls would return about the same net value for the cause as about 600k spent on "fuck as many powerful people as you possibly can take, as well as you possibly can, starting today." programs for the same.
mircea_popescu: and one of the best indications that this is actually the correct approach would be that the impotent-by-design feminist movement will readily recognise it as the ultimate evil.
moiety: you make it sound like you cant do anything as a girl without opening your legs :(
decimation: well, you can call them "finishing schools", like they used to have
mircea_popescu: moiety you can do plenty of things that ultimately won't matter.
asciilifeform: re: keybase.io - this was the idiocy that wants your private keys
asciilifeform: 'use gpg online!1!1'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not in copumpkin's retelling. i was giving him space to see if he mentiones it.
decimation: maybe you can host your key in a vps with a web login
mircea_popescu: i'm like... you know, a slut. i give people space :)
moiety: not much point in trying anything if it ultimately doesn't matter
decimation: it's an example of a real-life WoT between silicon valley CEOs
mircea_popescu: moiety maybe you enjoy it ?
decimation: "Bill Campbell (Chairman of Intuit Board of Directors, Co-Lead Director of Apple, and advisor to Google) was also involved in the Google-Intel agreement, as reflected in an email exchange from 2006 in which Bill Campbell agreed with Jonathan Rosenberg (Google Advisor to the Office of CEO and former Senior Vice President of Product Management) that Google should call [Intel CEO] Paul Otellini before making an offer to an Intel employee,
decimation: regardless of whether the Intel employee first approached Google."
asciilifeform: 'wage theft' ?
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decimation: shockingly thousands of beta engineers are willing to accept what they are given
mircea_popescu: the irony here being that an industry;s stability can be best measured by the wot divergence (well really, by wot graph isolation)
mircea_popescu: once gaps get bridged "industry best practices" develop,
mircea_popescu: and the thing is going down in flames faster than people can ditch it.
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decimation: of course the leftists are having a fit because this particular WoT ignores thier votes
mircea_popescu: of course.
mircea_popescu: wots aren't votes.
mircea_popescu: in fact, wots are not only different from votes, but really much better
mircea_popescu: w is v v2.
nubbins`: <moiety> not much point in trying anything if it ultimately doesn't matter <<< "No, Donny, these men are nihilists. There's nothing to be afraid of."
mircea_popescu: talk about bitcoin-mediated disruption of the electroal system
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ozbot: Knightscope’s new robotic law enforcer is like staring at the demise of humanity | PandoDaily
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
decimation: Oh, I was hoping someone was going to make a real RoboCop
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decimation: not some lameass webcam
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mircea_popescu: "work in pairs to protect each other"
mircea_popescu: now how does this work ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In a twist confounding most authors of robot oppressor scifi the boards with critical operational components in the bots are varied from unit to unit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if the builder had half a brain, it's a countermeasure re: gps 'meaconing'
asciilifeform: link 2 bots via spread-spectrum whatever, if one thinks he suddenly 'flew' somewhere, and the other says 'no'
mircea_popescu: i can't begin to imagine how they figure this thing has a fucking chance.
asciilifeform: surveillance camera on wheels, with megaphone for shouting orders, what's not to like
decimation: yeah they are going to end up in a chop shop in the ghetto within 10 minutes of operation
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Remember the Russia-Georgia conflict... GPS can go dark
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gps can and does go dark at your nearest truck stop
asciilifeform: ;;google gps jammer
gribble: GPS jammer - Cell Phone Jammers: <http://www.skybuying.com/category-179-b0.html>; Wholesales GPS Jammer - GPS Jamming - GPS Signal Jammer: <http://www.jammerfromchina.com/categories/GPS_Jammers/>; GPS Jammer Signal Jammer Blocker - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfPc8tH8vBY>
asciilifeform: ;google meaconing
asciilifeform: ;;google meaconing
gribble: Meaconing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaconing>; CHAPTER 4 (FM 24-33): <https://www.fas.org/irp/doddir/army/fm24-33/fm243_5.htm>; meaconing - definition of meaconing by the Free Online Dictionary ...: <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/meaconing>
ozbot: Electronic Weapons: Making The World Unsafe For GPS Jammers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more's the point... they can't make supermarket carts with working wheels
nubbins`: Crime has a $1 trillion impact on the American economy, according to Santana Li. “If we can show that we can literally cut that in half, we’re going to have every mayor in the country calling us,” he says.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: All reasons why civ security bots will bow down to people with compasses, maps, and lasers
mircea_popescu: andthey're going to somehow make a 100kg self moving robot
nubbins`: soooo, it's equipped with a sword?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck happens if it steps in gum
nubbins`: it starts shooting, obv
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it steps in gum << $100/hr public servant with wheelbarrow sent to fetch it, clearly.
decimation: it's not fair to have a WoT of robots that ignore the votes of the disenfranchised
mircea_popescu: this sounds all so distinctly soviet.
BingoBoingo: Well, if pepper spray counteracts rapists, spraypaint counteracts robots.
mircea_popescu: speaking of pipe dreamz :
ozbot: RObotzi.S03.Ep13.Sugstanta - YouTube
moiety: <mircea_popescu> "work in pairs to protect each other"
moiety: 03:38 <mircea_popescu> now how does this work ? << i think like this http://imgur.com/gallery/snoMroC
asciilifeform: incidentally,
mircea_popescu: whoa she's good.
asciilifeform: when deploying gps jammers across an area
asciilifeform: don't be dumb like the iraqi army
asciilifeform: remember school physics
asciilifeform: think 'constructive interference'
asciilifeform: a fat, loud mast is a target
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well simple solution is allowing a slug of metal to meet a satellite
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: people who can afford to plug a satellite tend not to get 'democratized' in the first place
asciilifeform: this advice is for the rest of us.
mircea_popescu: gaddafi definitely coud have afforded to plug a satelite.
mircea_popescu: he chose to plug ukrainian nurses instead.
mircea_popescu: old age does that. back when he was still sane everyone put up with him. including rice.
mircea_popescu: (who, if anyone forgot, he propositioned quite openly for a spot in his harem)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well consider that the payload necessary to neutralize a GPS satellite can probably be measured in a single digit number of grams. Even many "tactical" missiles if stripped for the locker room could prolly do the job.
nubbins`: when rice visited bolivia, they gave her a guitar with a coca leaf lacquered onto it
decimation: hey did you guys behind the iron curtain watch Krtek the mole when you were little?
asciilifeform: decimation: i had the book!
asciilifeform: still got it
asciilifeform: translated at 'крот в городе'
asciilifeform: (mole in the city)
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what that is.
asciilifeform: i think in the animated version he gets to fuck
asciilifeform: (post-soviet kid's tv is an odd place)
decimation: the videos are widely available in the us but no one knows about it
decimation: lol that's messe dup
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If only hypercard was still a thing
ozbot: Melvins - 'Nude With Boots' (Full Album HD) - YouTube
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it can still be a thing at your house. grab the emulator + tarball from my site & have fun.
nubbins`: ^ named after a picture mp linked once
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mircea_popescu: i have left my mark on popular culture
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Why. The SE/30 is dead, but I still have a flock of MacClassics
mircea_popescu: pustular cupure
mircea_popescu: whatever
nubbins`: the second one, in this case
nubbins`: unpopular unculture, even
decimation: ascii did you even find a passable lisp machine emulator
asciilifeform: decimation: which lisp machine
BingoBoingo: And once I care enough to fix the SE/30 it will be a thing again
asciilifeform: decimation: there's 1 major emulator for each major species
decimation: the symbolics machine
asciilifeform: decimation: the only one that even begins to work is the one by symbolics shortly before it croaked
BingoBoingo: One of my regrets though is not picking up an Apple IIGS, because that looks like that could have lead to incredible fun
asciilifeform: ;;google snap4 symbolics
gribble: CLiki: VLM_on_Linux: <http://www.cliki.net/VLM_on_Linux>; public ynniv / opengenera Octocat-spinner-32 - GitHub: <https://github.com/ynniv/opengenera/blob/master/notes/org.advogato.org-johnw.txt>; public ynniv / opengenera Octocat-spinner-32 - GitHub: <https://github.com/ynniv/opengenera/blob/master/notes/patrick-collison.txt>
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asciilifeform: ;;google symbolics lisp pirate bay
gribble: Copyleft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyleft>; Programmer Mega Book Pack- Part 1 (download torrent) - TPB: <http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6405192/Programmer_Mega_Book_Pack-_Part_1>; COMMON LISP: A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation: <http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/LispBook/book.pdf>
asciilifeform: ;;google symbolics open genera pirate bay
gribble: Belize General Information- Facts (and Maps) - Ambergris Caye: <http://ambergriscaye.com/pages/town/factsbze.html>; comments - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/comments/1a35lu>; The Soul Travelers-Illuminati & Occult documentary ... - The Pirate Bay: <http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6076927/The_Soul_Travelers-Illuminati___Occult_documentary>
decimation: okay I might to some dumpster-diving to find the thing
asciilifeform: fuck this
ozbot: Symbolics Open Genera 2.0 for Alpha - complete package with Lisp (download torrent) - TPB
BingoBoingo: ;;google opengenera HP alpha
gribble: Symbolics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbolics>; Symbolics - Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/details/bitsavers_symbolics>; Symbolics | The (λ) Lambda meme - all things Lisp: <http://www.ymeme.com/symbolics>
asciilifeform: there we go
decimation: heh thanks
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asciilifeform: first comment in that piratebay link is dave schmidt
BingoBoingo: ;;google WOps.txt
asciilifeform: the last man of symbolics corp.
decimation: ah so you have to run tru64
asciilifeform: decimation: not for snap4
BingoBoingo: decimation: Wy is that a prolem
asciilifeform: that's the unofficial linux port
asciilifeform: (x86-64)
asciilifeform: the pb link is the original dec alpha disk
asciilifeform: you'll need it for the sources.
decimation: ahh I see
asciilifeform: thing came with ~99% of its source.
BingoBoingo: DEC Alpha, least depreciating hardware investment ever
asciilifeform: when i was at schmidt's house i offered him $BIG for schematics
asciilifeform: he wouldn't budge
asciilifeform: he doesn't own the company
asciilifeform: probate court did (at the time)
asciilifeform: the idiot who snapped it up at bankruptcy auction died a while ago
BingoBoingo: Well, racialslur.txt
decimation: well, what about the idiot's probate?
asciilifeform: then an mit prof with nsa connections paid the idiot's debts
asciilifeform: and now owns it
asciilifeform: and that's all that was heard of it since
decimation: he probably thinks it's his ticket to get rich
decimation: like everyone else in academia
asciilifeform: decimation: nope
asciilifeform: here's the real dirt
asciilifeform: http://www.usaspending.gov/search?form_fields={"recipient_name":"symbolics+","recip_state":null,"recip_congdist":null,"recip_country":null,"recipient_duns":["966978090","873185821"],"spending_cat":null,"dept":null,"extent_competed":null,"psc_code":null,"naics_code":null,"fyear":null}&sort_by=date&per_page=25
ozbot: USASpending.gov
asciilifeform: it brings in, ~50k / yr in eternal pentagon contract
mircea_popescu: so it's worth like 600k
decimation: sounds shady as hell to me
asciilifeform: and is, in general, 'too much fun' of a technology to be turned loose
mircea_popescu: · · · · · · · · · · logtest · · · · · · · · · · ·
mircea_popescu: logs no longer suck! all hail kakobrekla, fixer of sucks.
asciilifeform: the $5k circa 2010 - that's my old employer.
asciilifeform: whom i talked into buying an actual copy of OG
asciilifeform: came with dec alpha. for 'free'.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the original mit lisp machine sources / schematics are bsd-licensed now.
ozbot: Retrocomputing - MIT CADR Lisp Machines
decimation: interesting
nubbins`: bed; nite
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decimation: so reading your blog, it seems that MIT eventually went to Scheme to teach young EE's how to code microcontrollers
mircea_popescu: yeah, ima go with nubbins`
asciilifeform: decimation: you misread
asciilifeform: they ditched it
asciilifeform: a few years ago
asciilifeform: it was an epic surrender to derp
decimation: yeah I saw that, but presumably before that someone decided scheme was the way to go
asciilifeform: sussman
asciilifeform: the original author of scheme
ozbot: Why Did M.I.T. Switch from Scheme to Python? | Lambda the Ultimate
nubbins`: sorry man, king-size bed, only room for two ;)
decimation: more evidence of the surrender of original thinking to academic bureaucracy
decimation: I blame fiat
BingoBoingo: Let us all cook pasta noodles in a pressure cooker for 7 minutes, there must be NO better way to make glue!!!
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decimation: you also inspired me to look more closely into Forth
decimation: that is a beautiful language for microcontrollers
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mike_c: R.I.P. mpoe-bot... at least you went out with a bang.
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