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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 78 @ 0.0045 = 0.351 BTC [-] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.005999 = 0.168 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.11749981 = 0.705 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 67 @ 0.00599998 = 0.402 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.00599998 = 0.498 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599791 = 0.1499 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41765 @ 0.00084361 = 35.2334 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00597729 = 0.7711 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4949 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 499 @ 0.00085104 = 0.4247 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20683 @ 0.00084526 = 17.4825 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4496 @ 0.0008459 = 3.8032 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Business Plan MtGox 2014-2017
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 152 @ 0.0059 = 0.8968 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.0059 = 1.0856 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 146 @ 0.00599997 = 0.876 BTC [+]
ozbot: Twitter / CharlieShrem: Can I bet on myself? "Charlie ...
mircea_popescu: shrem encounters a dilemma.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26500 @ 0.00084252 = 22.3268 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin << that'd depend on the definition of meaningful,
mircea_popescu: specifically if you'd say it has currently succeeded in meaningfully banning smoking.
mircea_popescu: if you believe it has then yes it is. if you don't then no it isn't.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "The Boeing Black phone is manufactured as a sealed device both with epoxy around the casing and with screws, the heads of which are covered with tamper proof covering to identify attempted disassembly."
mircea_popescu: and diametric too i guess : does that make any sense ?
mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00595 = 0.244 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 79 @ 0.00595 = 0.4701 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
ozbot: The Two-Bit Idiot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00599996 = 0.18 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: the last entry published minutes ago sums up the events
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic absolutely nothing new or newsworthy in there.
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, i wasn't aware of the "Mandalah Consulting" part
Apocalyptic: also nubbins` seemed to be sure the first leaked document was fake, this proves otherwise
jurov: Gonzague Gay-Bouchery, Manager, Business Development Division
jurov: ..in charge of growing the business for MtGox by initiating parnerships
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00599997 = 0.246 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 18 @ 0.00599996 = 0.108 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "This meeting triggered a chain reaction of events in which the solicited investors rebuffed Karpeles and his colleagues" vs "Feb 23 12:23:59 <mircea_popescu>may be that they've found a sucker, but that story'll end if i find him too."
mircea_popescu: you're still better off reading -assets.
Apocalyptic: I'm not arguing that :)
mircea_popescu: well i'm not arguing more people writing is a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: guy is a little young and naive tho, managed to come off rather impudent.
Apocalyptic: he said something about consulting his lawyer first on reddit
mircea_popescu: yeah because that costs money.
benkay: twobit whatever?
mircea_popescu: every two bit whoever is "talking to his lawyers" these days, have you noticed ?
Apocalyptic: gives some self-importance illusion
mircea_popescu: i don't think it's even that to be honest, it's more like a quest to belong.
mircea_popescu: say poor black kid trying to get accepted by wasps ? he pretends to like wop or w/e stupid music they like.
mircea_popescu: he never ever even bought a record, as they're not sold where he lives
mircea_popescu: and he can't even name a band
mircea_popescu: but he LOOOO=ooooo=OOOVES wop
mircea_popescu: baa dop bip bee-dop wop wop
mircea_popescu: bout the same thing here too, reddit kids "talk to their lawyers".
mircea_popescu: the music rich people listen to.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599996 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
benkay: har
benkay: my lawyer has one job: keep my ass outta trouble.
mircea_popescu: anyway, pulled his chain a little on twitter, curious what comes of that.
copumpkin: benkay: the rest of you is fair game?
benkay: man fuck twitter
benkay: such import over 140 characters
copumpkin goes to sleep
benkay: every derp face crafting their derpy 140 char dropping for the internet
mircea_popescu: benkay nono you don't understand. "strategy and research"
benkay: bah
benkay: and humbug to boot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0229748 = 0.2297 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: i fucking love the bs bios they coime up with
mircea_popescu: "coffeeinneusseur"
mircea_popescu: "chief colorist at large"
benkay: mircea_popescu imma ragequit at you
davout: good morning!
mircea_popescu: Disruption Revolutionizer Extraordinaire & Evangelist.
mircea_popescu: davout hai
mircea_popescu: basically twitter is what i always wanted as a kid in school : a chance to spy on the losers conversations.
mircea_popescu: you know how there's this loser group and they always talk among themselves but if you go by they get all awkward ?
mircea_popescu: and you can't send any of the girls to spy on them either cause they get even awkwarder if any girls are within like a mile ?
mircea_popescu: really fucking difficult to get good data to mock them into insanity like that ;/
benkay: hey davout tunes?
benkay: also who's making odds on when mp hires a twittr troll?
twizt: lol
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments << this is probably true just on the general instinct of the beast, meaning that on some level welfare-dependent scum writing the stuff is aware bitcoin will kill it and wants to survive.
benkay: a fuck it has an e these days
mircea_popescu: the more concerning thing however is that mah people are measuring incredible levels of random-forum-oposition to bitcoin,
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
mircea_popescu: coming from supposedly jane and jons next door, who however mysteriously all share the same stupid talking points.
mircea_popescu: and this makes no sense because for the money it'd cost to plant 1mn idiots in 100k forums nobody really reads, the attacker could jhust as well have built a mining farm
mircea_popescu: cheaper, faster, safer and overal better.
mircea_popescu: so i have no idea what gives in there.
B007: benkay: implying he hasn't hired a troll for irc and twitter already
benkay: pathologies of the welfare state?
mircea_popescu: benkay perhaps ? it is i confess one of the foremost riddles in my head.
benkay: perhaps consider that the forum planting may be highly automated
mircea_popescu: they don't have ai that good.
benkay: there are shortcuts
benkay: given thread, here are 10 replies. select one.
mircea_popescu: no, there aren't, because see you end up signing it.
mircea_popescu: i start sifting the data and spot patters
mircea_popescu: so far not spotting much tho.
mircea_popescu: basically the problems of 1) do what you describe and 2) make a rsa key are homologous.
mircea_popescu: i can attack both with the same math.
benkay: enlighten me, oh sage
mircea_popescu: well but as to which part ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589999 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
benkay: okay, i'm an idiot!
benkay: like i'm five
mircea_popescu: o i thought you had got it lol.
benkay: no no you see i am actually retarded
benkay: plus these logs are a thing for posterity
mircea_popescu: ok. suppose i hire you to do this job. now you have to make 100k posts a day from supposedly 100k different handles on 1mn forums.
mircea_popescu: you write code to do this.
benkay: or some subset thereof.
mircea_popescu: an attacker sees 50k posts on 400k forums, compares the timing of them and knows what processors you are using.
mircea_popescu: side channel attack ? win.
mircea_popescu: at large volumes, all data generation is key generation.
benkay: so timing's the obvious side-channel, what others have you looked at?
mircea_popescu: a coupla hundred different datasets that don't really coallesce.
benkay: and also have you actually run the numbers on post timing?!
mircea_popescu: i'd be surprised if i were the only one.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 273 @ 0.00595347 = 1.6253 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: timing's obvious, though. what other axes tend to show patterns in these problem spaces?
mircea_popescu: well obviously i'm not discussing that.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53156 @ 0.00084693 = 45.0194 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: if it wasn't obvious by the previous two passes :D
benkay: i thought you got out of the consulting game!
benkay: let a kid joust, mp
benkay: ain't no harm innit
mircea_popescu: i guess i ended up self-employed in a consulting capacity. again.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0229999 = 0.115 BTC [+]
benkay: hey so i did this talk on lisp tonight
jurov: "consultant for troll activity data mining"
benkay: and WHAT DO YOU FUCKING KNOW
benkay: at the bar on the tab of some poor company with a business model and shit trying to recruit developers and whatnot
benkay: errybody's all "hey benkay benkay what ams a bitcoin eh?"
benkay: i actually may have hammered into the heads of some folks that maybe the 'dev team' is a joke
mircea_popescu: benkay incidentally, that's such splendid bias.
mircea_popescu: most sane people (and defo anyone in finance) strongly despises "devs"
mircea_popescu: every geek worships devs.
mircea_popescu: cause you know, in geek space the dev is god.
benkay: ya well there's a reason there's basically no technical literature on the company site
mircea_popescu: kinda curious how the dev thing (as a cultural construct mind you) will fare.
benkay: uh
benkay: those with mastery of toolchains that enable productivity will help those with capital multiply it and everyone else will serve as labor in the oop salt mines?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform Apocalyptic here's the problem : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-02-2014#533543
mircea_popescu: the soviets also printed their own usd.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless we were plainly able to buy their bureaucracy once the politburo was unable to keep the suit shops supplied.
mircea_popescu: benkay i meant culturally not economically.
mircea_popescu: kinda clear how economy works.
benkay: i hope you're picking up on the sarcasm around 'business model and shit'
mircea_popescu: i am 12 and what is sarcasm ?
benkay: it's pretty sad man
mircea_popescu: sadgasm.
benkay: dev: "oh these guys have some boring business that makes money"
benkay: me: ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
benkay: dudes foot the bill for the whole night
benkay: none of the nerds are willing to step within ten feet of them
benkay: i don't fucking get it
mircea_popescu: didn't i just say that above re twitter ?
benkay: i stand up and talk about esoteric shit for twenty minutes, go talk to these dudes, they buy me drinks all night and tell me war stories about breaking relatives out of the shah's basement gaeol
benkay: climbing el capitan with proto-burners, pre-burning man
benkay: everyone else is going on about something in python lib 3
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota. << this is not exactly correct tho. consider : i have three girls, they kinda like each other. like-like. they share an appartment, we sometimes fuck. the whole shebang costs me maybe 30k a year. prolly less.
benkay: I MEAN SERIOUSLY GET YOUR HEADS TOGETHER
mircea_popescu: does 30k buy me three young sluts ?
mircea_popescu: benkay you're clearly a traitor to the holy cause of geekery.
benkay: i ain't nobody's anything.
mircea_popescu: careful who you tell or you may end up convicted to six months' eyeroll therapy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599997 = 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599998 = 1.2 BTC [+]
benkay: everyone knows i'm only peripherally interested in technology as a tool to make shitloads of money.
benkay: expectations is well-managed.
benkay: hyphens is well-deployed.
benkay: my shit is TIGHT.
benkay: if undercapitalized.
mircea_popescu: what for, to buy a senator ?
benkay: to prototype subsea mining drones
mircea_popescu: and robot nucular subs ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00549899 = 0.2749 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11749999 = 0.3525 BTC [+]
benkay: pff subs
mircea_popescu: subs are cool.
jurov: benkay IPO it on havelock , like DEEPMINING
benkay: manned submersibles? how are manned submersibles not the worst engineering decision you could make?
mircea_popescu: you missed the robot part ?
mircea_popescu: a robot nuclear submarine is perhaps one of the best power projectors available.
benkay: fine fine
jurov: until someone hacks it
mircea_popescu: it never needs to surface
benkay: (but for the record robotic does not exclude manned)
mircea_popescu: and it can communicate on mpex protocol.
jurov: lol
davout: benkay: uploading
mircea_popescu: anyway : aircraft easy to spot. a well designed sub is impossible to spot.
mircea_popescu: aircraft impossible to make large enough for nuclear power to work. submarines pretty much only work as nukes.
jurov: LAUNCH|caliber|qty|target
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.16230094 = 1.1361 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: benkay actually, check it out : robot 3d printing nuclear marine exploatation sub.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00599998 = 0.528 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: it just sits on the bottom of the sea, like 3-4 miles long, half a mile thick sort of catfish
mircea_popescu: and it just makes more of itself.
benkay: kombucha armaments
mircea_popescu: then one day, they emerge
mircea_popescu: i think we have a decent sf novel premise here.
benkay: i thought we agreed "no grey goo"!
mircea_popescu: nono, these never run amok.
mircea_popescu: they just disciplinedly reorganise the world.
B007: i know someone who'll write it
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine a better metaphore for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: there's all these people on the surface redditing about shit.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, in the depths...
B007: lol
mircea_popescu: soon enough the uk falls into the see
B007: wot
mircea_popescu: because the undersubs thought it expedient to cut an eighty mile tall hole in the bedrock supporting it
mircea_popescu: because pretty crystals.
benkay: hey mircea_popescu are you familiar with the skylon dudes?
mircea_popescu: various us senators make proclamations about how intolerable this is.
mircea_popescu: the subs care, deeply.
mircea_popescu: benkay notrly ?
benkay: single stage to orbit with an air-breathing rocket
mircea_popescu: o o that. yeah heard of it
benkay: skylon and nautilus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30450 @ 0.00084193 = 25.6368 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: 2 companies that may fall over dead within the next 5 years whose technologies should not be let rust
mircea_popescu: how you gonna launch airbreathing rocket 4 miles underwater ?
benkay: with an inflated launch tube duh
benkay: emerging nearly tangent to the surface
mircea_popescu: butwait.
benkay: *shooop* exit opens 50ms before nose of vehicle breaches *shoop* closes behind vehicle
mircea_popescu: the tube strength and relative pressure required to not crush it at depth
mircea_popescu: ensures it does not emerge to surface.
benkay: weight one end so as it hangs down super deep
mircea_popescu: i think you don't take my meaning. consider :
mircea_popescu: let pI be internal pressure, pE be external pressure.
benkay: also if internal pressure = external pressure are hoop stresses really significant? don;t they only have to resist osmotic leaking through membrane?
mircea_popescu: pI-pE defines the strength of the tube wall
mircea_popescu: Stw defines weight of the entire thing
mircea_popescu: Wtet defines pI - pE
benkay: pI = pE, tho
mircea_popescu: then why's it buoy ?
benkay: it's not
benkay: why would it be?
mircea_popescu: then how does it climb 4 miles ?
jurov: it can be supported by external buoys
mircea_popescu: cause you're launching it from the ocean floor.
benkay: it's an inflated tube, yo
jurov: but really, what would be filled by?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1050 @ 0.00018514 = 0.1944 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you want to make a tube 4 miles long ?
mircea_popescu: in WATER ?
benkay: no what i want to do is go fuck my girl
benkay: peace
mircea_popescu: good idea.
mircea_popescu: use your inflatable tube.
jurov: you'd get, like, supercritical (almost liquid) co2 at that pressure
jurov: just building 4km high tower would be much easier
jurov: on the land, i mean
jurov: and he wonders why devs hate him
jurov: spouts infeasible idea on them
jurov: and then goes away like "okay imma fuck"
mircea_popescu: B007 who'll write it ?
mircea_popescu: jurov no in this case it's competent self management. i was inches from going "oh go get laid, you're nuts" at him.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599998 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
B007: mircea_popescu: im not here any more, i left long ago
mircea_popescu: so where are you ?
B007: idk
B007: my sister likes writing novels
B007: sci fi
mircea_popescu: well if she ever writes it have her drop a link here.
B007: lol k
B007: in your twitter pic...WHAT IN THE BAG?
mircea_popescu: chocolate, clothes...
mircea_popescu: we were either coming from or going to the beach
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: what are these gypsy muzaks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.1063 = 0.5315 BTC [+]
davout: nah, some cello assortment
davout: i start hooking them on the soft stuff before moving on the hardcore, expensive stuff
mircea_popescu: this sounds familiar.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00084766 = 21.7849 BTC [+]
B007: you made the SEC hang out on irc - lol
B007: I have to look at the logs..
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10679999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: everyone has to look at the logs all the time
mircea_popescu: it's the only tenet of the assets faith
davout: should get printed out and sold like a bitcoin almanach
B007: only 365 revisions per year!
davout: i'm sure if you print out the previous year for use in N+1 it'd still be useful to some!
mircea_popescu: nubsy was doing something like that.
mircea_popescu: of course he's special so he can't really block print, he has to draw.
davout: fitting it on thshirts :D
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nubbins` ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: that would be a tech feat, fitting so much data there
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20539 @ 0.00084798 = 17.4167 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: but i have an idea, put bash quotes on tshirt as qr codes
jurov: nubbins, imma get 10% of that
mircea_popescu: o look decimation had it before me :D sorry, hadn't read the entire log.
mircea_popescu: the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'? < that figure includes all their numerous historical losses going back 4 years, converted to bitcoin at the time of loss
mircea_popescu: this method vastly overstates it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.00084851 = 3.0546 BTC [+]
davout: i'd be really curious to see some verified numbers
jurov: using that method they could have easily lost more than total btc in circulation
jurov: at least something to be remembered for
mircea_popescu: davout it never was audited.
mircea_popescu: that part is true.
InfiniteRadio_: Shirts are great...i put "Justin Bieber stole my girlfriend" on 25 shirts and sold em all for $20 on my campus...although my "I don't care about pizza...i only care about parties" didn't do so hot....broke even though with the biebs
mircea_popescu: jurov they lost about 200k in one go o nthat 1 cent/btc debacle in 2011 if you recall
mircea_popescu: they lost like 50k buying some bs polish exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1023 = 0.2046 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: about 600k of those claimed 750k happened by 2012.
davout: yeah, probably not, would still be curious about the results of some sort of forensic financial audit
mircea_popescu: InfiniteRadio_ what campus is that /
jurov: everything is possible with enough fractional "reserve"
davout: the polish exchange was 17k iirc
InfiniteRadio_: This was @ OCC back in 11
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06167978 = 0.3084 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10200002 = 0.51 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout at the time they were throwing money around
davout: pretty much
mircea_popescu: i just lumped together all the "pr moves" around their first capital injection
mircea_popescu: you know, like neobee's geting in all cypruss newspapers (for an undisclosed cost)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18022 @ 0.00084603 = 15.2472 BTC [-]
davout: i'm also kinda wondering whether it'll be a 100% haircut on BTC for everyone, or some lower number
mircea_popescu: "everyone" ?
jurov: he prolly means all gox users
davout: yup
davout: my account there is empty since 2011
mircea_popescu: everyone takes a 100% loss.
mircea_popescu: mtgox can't even cover the btc it owes the bitcoinica liquidators.
mircea_popescu: the only thing is the bitcoin trademark, which was IDIOTICALLY assigned to mtgox by people without a clue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.4965989 = 9.932 BTC [+] {5}
davout: that, i believe, is one of the most plausible scenarii
mircea_popescu: and now is up for grabs by whatever ill intended agency.
davout: oh yeah, i forgot about the trademark
mircea_popescu: which is why strategically competent people called themselves MPEx rather than BTCex
mircea_popescu: but hey, what's the rush to figuring things out.
jurov: u sure no one has trademarked "mircea popescu" ?
jurov: or "mpex"
mircea_popescu: you can't hold a trademark on people's legal names against their use thereof.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27002 @ 0.00084863 = 22.9147 BTC [+] {3}
davout: i'm not sure the bitcoin trademark is worth that much
davout: i'm pretty sure the "goxxed" term is worth more xD
davout: imagine all the goxxed goodies you could make
davout: thinkgeek would be all over it
jurov: there's something
davout: "introducing the goxxed dildo, can get in, but with its spikes, IT CAN'T GET OU!!1"
jurov: coinbr gets no results \o/
jurov: "For example, the search term *DOG* ..." lmaooooo
mircea_popescu: jurov thee's a lot of stuff. Pharmaceutical preparations for the treatment of pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious diseases ; Management and organization of multi-purpose exhibit showrooms for others ; Electric and electronic video surveillance installations.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00541111 = 0.1461 BTC [-] {3}
davout: i don't know how it works in other countries, but in france when you trademark sthg, you must also specify the scope in terms of activity the trademark is to be used in
jurov: yes, it's there, too
jurov: however, it remains to consideration whether retardation is "pulmonary, inflammatory and infectious disease"
mircea_popescu: davout thjat's how it works everywhere, trade harmonisation etc.
mircea_popescu: for instance
davout: good to know!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599998 = 0.3 BTC [+]
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Btw fatso @MagicalTux : recall ...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.00599998 = 0.978 BTC [+]
jurov: so, you have yor bases covered... but if you started developing retardation treatment drops, i'd be concerned a bit :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599998 = 0.198 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov i guess i'd just use a diff name
mircea_popescu: mebbe i call them... Burnside
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19553 @ 0.00085114 = 16.6423 BTC [+]
dexX7_: mircea_popescu: did you receive any offering for gox?
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ hm ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-02-2014#523392 < i suspect that is the link you're looking for.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
dexX7_: there are those rumors that multiple investors were contacted to bailout/buy gox etc.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19348 @ 0.00084967 = 16.4394 BTC [-]
mark0v: whats the latest conspiracy theory on GOX coins??
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599998 = 0.21 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15000 @ 0.00084915 = 12.7373 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: yes, they were/
jurov: mark0v: just check the twobitidiots blog
mark0v: doesnt really say where the coins are
mark0v: i.e. lost cold storage, stolen, etc
mark0v: no news on where the actual coins are yet...
mark0v: blockchain is publically auditable, we need the withdrawl logs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.4999 = 4.999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.16230094 = 0.8115 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you know, i ended up repeating this pretty much twice a day because nobody reads logs.
mircea_popescu: it's a good idea to read the logs.
mark0v: mircea_popescu: so, they were speculating with depositors coins and making acquisisions with them?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
mark0v: at $10/coin... which was stupid because as the price rises, they'd never be able to buy back coins to pay investors back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5 = 1 BTC [+]
dexX7_: the crisis paper also states a miss of 55 mio usd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00599 = 0.2276 BTC [-]
mark0v: seems like there was a hack early on, and everything since then has been an attempt to make back coins by speculating
cazalla: i can't help but hope the coins are gone for the benefit of myself
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
mark0v: lost cold wallet would be best (rather then some theives having it)
cazalla: yup
cazalla: i don't own enough so the removal of 750k would at least push me up a notch albeit a small nudge
ozbot: Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog
jurov: there's also this from krakens ceo
dexX7_: is there any publickey to pubkeyhash converter online?
jurov: if you insist
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
cazalla: jurov: he needs to replace that i know that feel image with http://i.imgur.com/Zt2EIOa.jpg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21720 @ 0.00085125 = 18.4892 BTC [+] {3}
markov: latest rumor is that Karpeles lost the key to the wallet
mircea_popescu: markov for a long, long time.
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ part of it was lost to the usg, as a result of karpeles signing false documents
mircea_popescu: (this goes right backl to the earlier discussion re "lawyers")
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: part of it was lost to an unclear event which may be some sort of dwolla backstab or else some deal or who the fuck knows
markov: mircea_popescu: how could he be so stupid to lose the keys???!
mircea_popescu: part of it is just expenses, like rubber balls.
mircea_popescu: markov i wouldn't put much stock in anything mtgox/karpeles say or said.
markov: like seriously what the fuck is wrong with this idiot??
mircea_popescu: they've been pretty much lieing at every turn since 2011.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00599 = 0.5092 BTC [+]
dexX7_: ah right
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ because their accounting was a complete mess, and because they never followed the an0 spec, things that'd be normally deductions have no scriptural basis.
dexX7_: "5.5 mio held by dhs, 5 mio held by coinlab"
mircea_popescu: afaik coinlab is really in the red.
mircea_popescu: ie, mtgox stole more from coinlab than coinlab stole from mtgox.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19232 @ 0.00085312 = 16.4072 BTC [+]
dexX7_: lol
markov: whats an0 spec?
markov: why is bitcoinbuilder > 0 ??
markov: current rate is 20:1
dexX7_: "high risk, very high reward"
mircea_popescu: and bitcoinbuilder is you know, some website
markov: it should probably be goxASSETS/goxLIABILITIES which is what account holders will receive during the bankruptcy
mircea_popescu: anyone can write any numbers they wish on their website
goxxed: I bought >600 goxbtc during the last hours. I'm convinced it will be one of the best investments of 2014
mircea_popescu: goxxed what did you pay for it ?
goxxed: avg 0.08
markov: mircea_popescu: the same could be about MPex though... 'just some website'
davout: still quite expensive imo
mircea_popescu: markov yup. and the nyse and the wh.org and everything else.
mircea_popescu: thats why we have the wot and on it goes.
markov: bitcoinbuilder is run by founder of dreamhost -- he has a positive reputation -- if that means anything
mircea_popescu: discerning the grain from the chaff is a full time professional endeavour
dexX7_: goxxed: do you expect some kind of miracle where thousands of coins appear out of nowhere?
mircea_popescu: i'm with davout, i wouldn't pay 50 btc for that.
markov: goxxed: say goodbye to your 50 BTC. you cant be serious!
mircea_popescu: pay 1 btc or less on a lark, i can see. like you'd buy a lottery ticket
davout: four days ago i'd mebbe have paid 20~30 BTC
goxxed: interview with bitcoinbuilder founder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0Wg6Adi3z0
markov: goxxed must be trolling
dexX7_: much more fun than lottery
davout: now. a couple at most
markov: bitcoinbuilder founder interestingly converted all his btc he made from fees into goxcoins
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ you know, p e singer made a few millions that way
markov: "I had no inside knowledge of the situation at mtgox and am truly shocked at the current state of their affairs. I personally have over 8,000 GOXBTC and $400,000 USD locked in their system, and am still converting all "real" BTC trading fees from the site to GOXBTC, and I will never sell any personal GOXBTC via this site. "
mircea_popescu: course, sovereign debt is quite a differen story.
mircea_popescu: markov i guess that proves the alleged founder of dreamhost is an idiot ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, "Greek police, under the orders of the Ministry of Public Order & Citizen Protection, have begun to enter schools in order to establish the political views and activities of schoolchildren and their families"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
markov: mircea_popescu: link?
dexX7_: faq
dexX7_: afaik
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 850 @ 0.0055 = 4.675 BTC
markov: mircea_popescu: i despise communism. that website is clearly reporting FUD
mircea_popescu: markov clearly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3309 @ 0.00085312 = 2.823 BTC [+]
markov: its quite a shame that i have nearly 300 goxBTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00599 = 0.7188 BTC [+]
markov: i guess ill just gamble on just-dice to make them back
dexX7_: sounds like a solid plan
mircea_popescu: solid like pixiedust.
jurov: markov i'd rather recommend coinroll
markov: i trust dooglus
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 436 @ 0.005989 = 2.6112 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: teh ukraine is going well.
markov: is that where you're from mp?
jurov: no we're just living near borders
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2920 @ 0.00599 = 17.4908 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: in worst case, we can expect millions of refugees
markov: bulgaria?
mircea_popescu: markov timisoara, romania
jurov: and i'm in slovakia
markov: l33t. you guys must be one of the few intelligent people left in the eastern european countries
mircea_popescu: jurov amusingly, romania had a published (but not public) policy of allowing open immigration for israelis should they need it
mircea_popescu: i don't think anyone seriously considered the ukrainians moving en masse
mircea_popescu: least of all the ukrainians themselves
jurov: dunno, they're making some preparations here
jurov: maybe someone really thinks putin will pull it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 401 @ 0.0055 = 2.2055 BTC
ozbot: Twitter / SergeiShoigu: Welcome to my official Twitter ...
markov: robert scoble in toronto>?
jurov: markov: quite many intelligent people returned from the west, living here is okay for them
markov: eastern europe also has a reputation for cc hacking/fraud
jurov: how that relates?
mircea_popescu: markov this is how "HC SVNT DRACONES" is noted in modern english
jurov: at least our banks have solid e-services
markov: here be dragons?
mircea_popescu: "people smarter than us who aren't impressed with our conventions" => evil!
markov: jurov: good point, they're probably employed the best exploit guys ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.00599 = 0.9943 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37250 @ 0.00085292 = 31.7713 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: meanwhile teh yuan is moving
markov: so you guys think karpeles lost keys rather then a hack?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha mike hearn harping about how teh Powerfully Retarded Rangers are nao poor and will disband
mircea_popescu: good fucking riddance, bunch of clueless impudent goofs.
jurov: markov that does not matter
jurov: i'm certain karpeles did ask them to help, too
mircea_popescu: and jesse powell fucktard is like, o, here's my friend jared kenna please help us.
mircea_popescu: basically there's this core of idiots and scammers and the idiots just won't let the scammers loose.
mircea_popescu: it's beyond the fucking pale.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37472 @ 0.00085488 = 32.0341 BTC [+] {3}
twizt: man i just went on youtube
twizt: and saw a scientology ad
ArsKisS: poor you
twizt: i wonder how much it would cost to promote satanism
mircea_popescu: some guy was bitching that 30mn youtube views only made him like 20k usd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.509 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so i would guess about 10-15 satoshi per view ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00595002 = 0.1309 BTC [-]
twizt: lol
twizt: where do they draw the line
BingoBoingo: Wait, Roger Ver still has some affiliation with Blockchain.info after his $50 blowup? http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/77960201159/roger-ver-denies-any-inappropriate-involvement-with-mt
mircea_popescu: since assbot only logs since apr 2013, in case anyone's curious re older logs :
ozbot: dpaste: #1665537
mircea_popescu: feb 2013/aug 2012
chetty: "inappropriate" now thats a weaselword
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo roger ver is one of those guys that love to talk to people and then talk to people about how many people he talks to
mircea_popescu: and then go nuts on the forum about how he sent some guy his last fifty bucks and can't afford food for the week now.
mircea_popescu: anyway, lettuce have some fun.
BingoBoingo: Oh, post-Gox Bitcoin is more interesting already
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45950 @ 0.00085569 = 39.319 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.50979439 = 1.0196 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00598999 = 0.1318 BTC [+]
markov: mircea_popescu: apparely roger ver has 250,000 btc
mircea_popescu: apparently mtgox was the cat's tits,
mircea_popescu: untill suddenly it wasn't anymore
mircea_popescu: and we're supposed to be all surprised and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: lmao gmaxwell is still using kat walsh's mask ? ah epic.
markov: ..
markov: whos kat walsh?
mircea_popescu: a bassoonist with a jd in law that was the best the wikimedia foundation could do for counsel this past decade
mircea_popescu: lucky for them, they never got sued.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00599 = 0.2097 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 19 @ 0.00599 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: neobee pretty hot
ArsKisS: now you can remove the walls, folks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23550 @ 0.00085043 = 20.0276 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.16230094 = 1.9476 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: howdy from bruxelles!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008533 = 2.3892 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00599 = 1.6473 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00599998 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.11437691 = 2.9738 BTC [-] {7}
ozbot: The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: I'm just going to leave this here. It's about trust, greed, idealism, and Snake.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.10600342 = 2.5441 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5098 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02299964 = 0.184 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.023 = 0.529 BTC [+]
ozbot: Unilateral Statement Regarding Mt. Gox from an Insider - Jesse Powell's Blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.502001 = 1.004 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: the20year1: i usually search in logs before posting
jurov: it's there
mircea_popescu: the20year1 i left the guy a comment, he's not published it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.50979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !t h cbtc
assbot: [HAVELOCK:CBTC] 1D: 0.00017103 / 0.00018307 / 0.00018550 (9765 shares, 1.78766772 BTC), 7D: 0.00013001 / 0.000165 / 0.00021250 (284213 shares, 46.89600633 BTC), 30D: 0.00002001 / 0.00015242 / 0.00025999 (2435501 shares, 371.21588320 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 30 @ 0.00485993 = 0.1458 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00485994 = 0.243 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.10600012 = 0.318 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00599969 = 0.588 BTC [-]
ThickerThanThiev: just read thru this gox stuff
ThickerThanThiev: so basically gox gave all the exhcnage leaders head's up to sell
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 207 @ 0.00596 = 1.2337 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00595066 = 0.1785 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 354 @ 0.00598871 = 2.12 BTC [+] {6}
mircea_popescu: will be fun to watch the unwinding of it.
mircea_popescu: Once that happens, I am positive and certain that the same people who are now running around calling their betters names will try to turn things into some sort of “mean state infringing on people’s rights”. They have a fine record at trying exactly that.vi
mircea_popescu: The problem is, the lot of them being packed up and hauled to jail would be no such infringement. It is at this point perfectly reasonable and quite unavoidable. Sure, they’ll try and sell this libertarian angle, that’s the curse of being pro-freedom : all the scumbags try to exploit you for their little profit turning “ideas”. It won’t wash.
mircea_popescu: stuff from 2012ish
dexX7_: i bet this 10k sell on bitstamp was related to this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00591045 = 0.5024 BTC [-] {3}
thickasthieves: my thoughts pretty much too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 226 @ 0.005901 = 1.3336 BTC [-] {3}
thickasthieves: the story of where this reached isn't done, and more than gox will go down for acting on it's insolvency
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 60 @ 0.0059 = 0.354 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167998 = 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.023 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: Hmm, just about time to get back in
ThickAsThieves: also, like, even if you did make sure to sell all your coins first, how could you not leak this info to the public sooner?
MisterE: ride it back up to 600
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00476 = 0.2618 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: secondmarket may be the most exposed
ThickAsThieves: as it seems they were approached
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.0059 = 1.062 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10150001 BTC [-]
MisterE: whats ths?
MisterE: sounds scandalous
dexX7_: were they obligated to leak such info? isn't this stuff kinda confidential?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.98, vol: 26161.04056450 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 552.2, vol: 22395.6107 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 579.0, vol: 19715.43458074 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 593.51, vol: 236.24374416 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 571.6896, vol: 8316.85200000 | Volume-weighted last average: 570.774361582
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.06167978 = 0.5551 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: i dont know the legality
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you forget the info was motherfucking leaked in public lmao
mircea_popescu: what do i do here, play ?
ThickAsThieves: i mean how gox approached people for a bailout
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "disregard what mp says expect to be able to survive"
ThickAsThieves: i'm talking about off-gox markets
mircea_popescu: you mean how come the various contemptible schmucks - like jesse powell, like roger ver, like etc did not go
mircea_popescu: "hey, mtgox is fucked" ?
mircea_popescu: that's because they're scum, and that's what scum knows and does.
ThickAsThieves: like Bitstamp selling 25k btc after Mark walks out the room or such
mircea_popescu: that's how children react, your average raped 9yo girl is more likely to not tell.
ThickAsThieves: this also has added greed element
mircea_popescu: recall when the bitfinex was broken in half last time ?
ThickAsThieves: insider trading at its finest
mircea_popescu: insider spilled the dirt, all over forum ?
mircea_popescu: people were liek "o no, let's ignore whistleblower, maybe everything will be ok"
mircea_popescu: the exact same scumbags are already inflating a replacement mtgox.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.1047 = 0.8376 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47000 @ 0.00086155 = 40.4929 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00476 = 0.1095 BTC [-] {2}
Apocalyptic: what's funnier is some people are so in denial up to the point they're even doubting mtgox is missing coins, at this very moment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.106155 = 1.2739 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06167978 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
MisterE: how far up your ass does your head have to be to think that
Apocalyptic: "but it's speculation, at this point we can't be sure" i don't even...
mircea_popescu: welcome to 2012. that was the meme of the year.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19769 @ 0.00086481 = 17.0964 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7_: the stuff was not only leaked to investors/exchanges, but also to the press. or it was leaked to the press from one of them.. i'm not sure right now where i read it, but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23931 @ 0.00086636 = 20.7329 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: maybe find it.
Apocalyptic: " but one article clearly referenced the expected return for 2014." it's in the business plan
ThickAsThieves: the business plan had no juicy info really
ThickAsThieves: unless something was able to be gleaned from the financial page
wbaw: it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it
ThickAsThieves: or, the ones that were interested in the plan were the ones who then unearthed the dirtier truth
ThickAsThieves: obv you dont buy a mtgox without seeing the coins
wbaw: well, the plan looks pretty illegal to my uninformed opinion
dexX7_: wall street journal. no paywall: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1ytb3o/japans_authorities_decline_to_step_in_on_bitcoin/cfnk8nz -- "According to documents seen by The Wall Street Journal, Tibanne Co., which operates Mt. Gox, is expected to generate a small profit in the fiscal year ending in March from exchange transaction fees."
ThickAsThieves: i'm referring to the business plan
ThickAsThieves: not the crisis one
Apocalyptic: <wbaw> it seems to be mt.gox was trying to pitch that plan to investors who didn't want anything to do with it & leaked it // sounds reasonable
dexX7_: this was before the crisis paper went public
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ they were still pr-izing at the time, hoping beyond hope they'll find a sucker somewhere.
dexX7_: yea
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 459 @ 0.00054 = 0.2479 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.0008665 = 5.7622 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 244 @ 0.00050209 = 0.1225 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: this volatily thing, we like!
ThickAsThieves: "In the past week, the People’s Bank of China has been trying to inject more two-way volatility into yuan trading by guiding the currency lower, an effort Chinese officials and analysts say is aimed at paving the way for widening the yuan’s trading band sometime this year."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11733289 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: too expensive for them to maintain narrow band anyway
MisterE: man that log archive is handy!
MisterE: fuckload of good info
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1665861/plain/)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.10150001 = 0.5075 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: this BitcoinPete guy, he new? or is he someone we know with a new name?
MisterE: he came yesterday
dexX7_: and the log is against the freenode channel guidelines!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.0008635 = 0.6908 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.06176249 = 0.247 BTC [+] {2}
dexX7_: no logging without warning in the channel topic :p
MisterE: omg get the #freenode police heh
ThickAsThieves: isnt it linked in the topic?
MisterE: yea
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.062 = 0.744 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 16 @ 0.0621 = 0.9936 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he's new-ish
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ you misunderstand the freenode policies.
mircea_popescu: the idea is that random joe schmoe can't log a chan he doesn't own
mircea_popescu: not that the chan itself can't be logged.
dexX7_: ah
MisterE: fyi I loge everything
Duffer1: goodmorning B-A
mircea_popescu: many channels are logged as a matter of course, including #bitcoin-dev
dexX7_: i know
mircea_popescu: most literate people have a lot of trouble with the illiterate approach promoted by twitter and cellphone companies.
dexX7_: i'm fine with anyway
mircea_popescu: you generally want to be able to reference what was said afore
MisterE: I fucking hate text mesaging
mircea_popescu: MisterE tell me about it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1065 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: oh earlier you made a statement about Hearn & Co being destitute, got link?
dexX7_: hi duffer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599967 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.00599967 = 0.162 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "Say what you like about Google, but it isn’t an easy place to get hired at. The entrance interviews are notoriously tough, and it is a highly desired employer – which makes Mike Hearn’s departure all the more notable."
Apocalyptic: derp²
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's hysterical. "o guise, we backed the scammers, tho mp told us not to. and we were impertinent to mp"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00599967 = 0.84 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: there was a time i really wanted to work there, I poured over job listings for a few weeks and never saw one thing I wanted to do
mircea_popescu: "now the scammers are fucked and mp doesn't want to talk to us. what shall we do!11 bitcoin is dieing!!11"
mircea_popescu: how about you know, sucking an onion.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5020002 BTC [-]
ozbot: Aer Turris (scirper) on Twitter
mircea_popescu: how many people get special made twitter accts to derp at them ?
usaoscoin: turns out twobitidiot is a crypto insurance seller
mircea_popescu: usaoscoin he's ver's minion afaik.
ThickAsThieves: "Auroracoin is now featured on http://coinmarketcap.com/ It is in 7th place overall, or 5th place if non-mineale coins are excluded."
usaoscoin: minion, lol
ThickAsThieves: how is it that bs can get listed but not ATC...
ThickAsThieves: i'm no good at this greasing palms thing
mircea_popescu: well what do you call it ?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves eh who cares srsly. what's coinmarketcap ?
ThickAsThieves: well i at least care in that it's representing scams as things with actual value over things that aren't
ThickAsThieves: Aururacoin at $45m
dexX7_: with about 2 mio page views per day x_x
ThickAsThieves: it's a pre-mined handout coin
Apocalyptic: lots of kids playing with alts yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0008635 = 2.5042 BTC [-]
Duffer1: i'm curious how they're going to hand it out
Duffer1: mail printed priv keys to everyone in iceland?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you're never going to be able to limit all derpage.
mircea_popescu: kids need their rumspringa room.
dexX7_: Duffer1: as far as i know there is some kind of "claim portal" website
ThickAsThieves: Duffer1 there is a public list of all Icelanders I believe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00599961 = 0.48 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: maybe this will be the things that teaches them it was a bad idea too
mircea_popescu: yaright.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.16230094 = 0.9738 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599961 = 1.1999 BTC [-]
dexX7_: http://www.businessinsider.com/senator-calls-for-bitcoin-ban-2014-2 ... there was one surprising part: "I have already written to regulators once on the now-closed Silkroad ... That is why more than a handful of countries, and their banking systems, have cautioned against the use of Bitcoin." - if this is true, he seems to have some influence?
ozbot: SENATOR CALLS FOR BITCOIN BAN - Business Insider
kakobrekla: oh my
ozbot: Charlie Shrem | Something’s Not Right On The Mountain of Gox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 110 @ 0.00549999 = 0.605 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.0059996 = 0.12 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: dexX7_ yeah right
ThickAsThieves: "There was no evidence that hundreds of thousands of coins were missing when Roger Ver made the so-called “hostage” video six months ago." for reference: http://imgur.com/gHrMX1y
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3148 @ 0.00086715 = 2.7298 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: really the dude is in a constant state of nervousness, maybe he did know
ThickAsThieves: shrem is stupid
dexX7_: he wanted to buy a lot of goxcoins in the -otc thread
ThickAsThieves: coins can't be maybe-recoverable
ThickAsThieves: they are gone
kakobrekla: dexX7_ did he? urlpls?
dexX7_: hmm mom
mircea_popescu: yeah eyah he was saying so
mircea_popescu: the entire "buying gox debt" meme pretty much started from ver's blather.
dexX7_: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5111950#msg5111950
ozbot: MTGOX <-> BTC BID/ASK
dexX7_: didn't see the update till now
dexX7_: but it's telling
azi`: you guys think there is any chance folks will get their stuff from gox?
azi`: like some company buing gox and stuff
kakobrekla: the below reply from reptil guy is golden
mircea_popescu: o hey reptil stil around ?
kakobrekla: alive a kickin
azi`: which one is it
azi`: sherem?
mircea_popescu: anyway yeah, sturles and others who made statements about it will be key witnesses once this goes to court in a few months
pankkake: why would a company want to buy what is mostly bad reputation and debt?
dexX7_: azi`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=455243.msg5114894#msg5114894
azi`: idk, some guys are known for making bad business descisions i suppose
kakobrekla: i dunno what statement sturles made, but reptil sez he was privileged, sturles says he lost 90%
mircea_popescu: because selective scamming is in fact sufficient to establish bad faith
mircea_popescu: and from the little i understand of the japanese legal system, amply sufficient to secure a conviction.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11241 @ 0.00086715 = 9.7476 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599958 = 0.198 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 59 @ 0.0055 = 0.3245 BTC
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "no problem getting funds from gox"
dexX7_: but there was already a statement like "japan does not care, because it's btc"
jurov: btc-e just croaked too?
mircea_popescu: pretty much anyone who said this or variations thereof the past few weeks is either going to be prosecuted or called up as a witness.
dexX7_: 502
mircea_popescu: dexX7_ i wouldn't trust that sort of nonsense too much.
jurov: isee
Duffer1: what's the extent of Ver's involvement w/ blockchain.info? is it angel investor only or does he have a more active role?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 he was able to get carry to disclose private information of a user upon request
mircea_popescu: theoretically he was banned from the system at that point, but whether this is actually true or not has not been verified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 640 @ 0.000505 = 0.3232 BTC [-] {3}
Duffer1: interesting
ozbot: MemoryDealers.com founder Roger Ver abuses admin access at Blockchain.info
kakobrekla: that one was lulzy
mircea_popescu: so it was.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00599958 = 0.342 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: BitcoinPete deleted my comment
mircea_popescu: usure it's not just some approval thingee ?
ThickAsThieves: i saw it loaded on the page
ThickAsThieves: but maybe only a local temp thing
pankkake: wordpress shows it after you post, even if it is waiting for approval
mircea_popescu: right, but if you clean a cookie or w/.e it disappears
pankkake: " Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpeles will be found dead by the March 20th" lol
mircea_popescu: da fuck is that
pankkake: rejected bitbet
mircea_popescu: scared me for a second
cazalla: assassination markets here we come
mircea_popescu: not quite yet.
pankkake: there's the tor one
pankkake: doesn't have him yet
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
mircea_popescu: this doesn't look so great anymore does it.
pankkake: mtgox *or* bitstamp
ThickAsThieves: $10k was a bit high
mircea_popescu: no i am aware, but even so.
BingoBoingo: I dunno I think it looks better now
ThickAsThieves: maybe $3k
mircea_popescu: btw, epic prescience on part of the bitbet mod there huh.
dexX7_: 30-11-13 20:40 - yes: 57 btc, no: 42 btc ... hehe
dexX7_: kinda like "exchangers are faking volume!1"
ThickAsThieves: hmm the bitbet mod in the comments says any exchange with 1000btc vol will do if others are dead
ThickAsThieves: seems uncharacteristic of bitbet
ozbot: WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: Yes dears, we know. For a while ...
ThickAsThieves: forgive me for retweeting every other tweet :)
ozbot: Twitter / Bitcoin_Assets: @ethereumproject How about DERP?
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i'll just take it as reflective of my mordant wit and deep understanding of matters
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11 = 0.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599956 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3575 @ 0.00018499 = 0.6613 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10000 @ 0.00017284 = 1.7284 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00086659 = 4.5063 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "why keep all your assets in bitcoin ? because your usd denominated assets are worthless anyway."
ThickAsThieves: “the grand jury is the total captive of the prosecutor who, if he is candid, will concede that he can indict anybody, at any time, for almost anything.”
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC
ThickAsThieves: ethereum's slogan: the only limit is your imagination
ThickAsThieves: such limitations
diametric: much freedom
mircea_popescu: well in their case it is true
mircea_popescu: of course, this would be the lower bound limit.
mircea_popescu: the upper bound is about fiddy bux
ThickAsThieves: i wonder how their raise went
ThickAsThieves: i cant find it
dexX7_: didn't happen yet afaik
ThickAsThieves: they used to have a countdown on the homepage
mircea_popescu: hey, what happened of that transvestite's countdown ?
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall something around xmas
mircea_popescu: was it xmas 2015 ?
dexX7_: yea, but it was removed
ThickAsThieves: Vitalik said:
ThickAsThieves: "We are seriously worried that if we offer a small cap then some large investor will simply gobble it up all at once, and then we'll basically have Ripple. Judging by the response we have gotten so far, we realized that it is entirely possible, even if unlikely, that some whale with 200000 BTC sitting around will decide that Ethereum just might be the right coin to throw 10% into, and
ThickAsThieves: we need to work around such a possibility. If no whales come onboard on such a scale, then we will have a small market cap to start off anyway."
ThickAsThieves: more delusions
dexX7_: lol
mircea_popescu: ahahahaah
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they looked at atc and started dreamin'.
mircea_popescu: you can tell vitalik there's no chance of that. i wouldn't trade a bitten sub for his crud.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00590005 = 5.9001 BTC [-] {9}
jurov: they got delusion mircea might be interested and crapped their pants
ThickAsThieves: i think he knows
mircea_popescu: apparently the compartment where knowledge happens and the compartment where this stuff happens don't communicate in the average bitcoiner brain
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37500 @ 0.0008653 = 32.4488 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00599894 = 0.264 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00476 = 0.1238 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: btc-e is back btw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.50932853 = 3.5653 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11 = 0.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 266 @ 0.00590015 = 1.5694 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00483252 = 1.4498 BTC [+] {9}
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 who signs ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00488371 = 2.4419 BTC [+] {4}
ThickAsThieves: they quote erik and some random
ThickAsThieves: much funnier retorts were tweeted than thos equoted
mircea_popescu: if it isn't our old friend Cyrus Farivar
mircea_popescu: like one of the ... 2 ? 3 ? sane journos
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.16230094 = 1.623 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.00591611 = 1.1891 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00489999 = 0.49 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5099999 = 1.02 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 180 @ 0.00589999 = 1.062 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00589999 = 0.4366 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46350 @ 0.0008653 = 40.1067 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.5099999 = 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5000 @ 0.00539122 = 26.9561 BTC [-] {55}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5099999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: so basically it looks like the crimeea secedes.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1002 @ 0.00501789 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51 = 1.02 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: List of Major Bitcoin Heists, Thefts, Hacks, Scams, and Losses
pankkake: why even trade those things that are far from tested
pankkake: why is the first step always to create an altcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ill tell you why
ozbot: Japan says any bitcoin regulation should be international
mircea_popescu: because the random clueless noob believes his independence is ultimately more important than his survival
mircea_popescu: because his parents have lived their entire life in a distorted environment engineered by government to misrepresent the feedback
mircea_popescu: making the world appear less risky and risky behaviour appear more rewarding than it is the case in fact.
mircea_popescu: this is not accidental but deliberate : the more unable to correctly price risk people are, the more they perceive the need for said government
pankkake: I'm trying to guide my parents out of the distorsion by the way… not working at all :(
mircea_popescu: of course this is a bankrupt arrangement, but that never stopped anyone before.
pankkake: interestingly, my mother, employed by the government and historically a socialist, is probably less blinded
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.0047512 = 0.9502 BTC [-]
chetty: Even the brain dead are starting to notice something is wrong pankkake
pankkake: it's self delusion, it's a psychological issue mostly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00568196 = 0.2841 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, too much cruft in logs to make it worth sorting thru for publishing
nubbins`: even in bash
chetty: denial is a stage of grief
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11733276 = 0.352 BTC [+]
nubbins`: jurov, wouldn't you rather your pgp fingerprint printed on a shirt in same-color ink tho? ;D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` jus messin with ya
nubbins`: messing with my dreams!
jurov: nubbins`: that's too dorky even for me
jurov: oh, you did the dick surgery tees? i can't find them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16040 @ 0.00086593 = 13.8895 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 139 @ 0.0055 = 0.7645 BTC
nubbins`: yeah, sec
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51975 = 1.0395 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00564999 = 0.2203 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: http://imgur.com/mOiUWOS << that's the tester, can't find any pics of actual tees
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
jurov: i have urology exam scheduled, but no way that would arrive on time
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: urologist would just get real on ya ^
nubbins`: i think we only have small and medium left anyway
jurov: wao-ender: you don't want one for gf? :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.0008635 = 6.5626 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.523 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524699 = 1.5741 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5247 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00493709 = 0.9874 BTC [+] {5}
davout: such surgery
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06167978 = 0.185 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10160001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00494731 = 0.4947 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 618 @ 0.00057075 = 0.3527 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1016 = 0.2032 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.52479733 = 7.872 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: so cut
davout: many pain
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00564999 = 0.3164 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: ;;bcstats
gribble: Current Blocks: 288118 | Current Difficulty: 3.1295731745222874E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 288287 | Next Difficulty In: 169 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 21 hours, 7 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3794274722.56 | Estimated Percent Change: 21.23937
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524999 = 1.575 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.524 = 1.572 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00581326 = 0.4186 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 340 @ 0.00574999 = 1.955 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Let investors ride out bitcoin's booms and busts - latimes.com
kakobrekla: what the shit
ozbot: auroracoin
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ThickAsThieves already butthurt about it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.11729617 = 1.4076 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00578998 = 0.8106 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: i think you fucked up tat, you should do 100% premine next time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34100 @ 0.00086684 = 29.5592 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.524999 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: can you even do 100% premine ?
kakobrekla: why not?
ThickAsThieves: how do you maintain the ledger?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00577999 = 0.578 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: but with network txes ofc
kakobrekla: you can arbitrarily add those if ya wanna
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00577999 = 0.5086 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0621 = 0.1242 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.10160001 = 0.2032 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: still new blocks will have a reward neh ?
kakobrekla: not if you do a 100% premine
mircea_popescu: but on satoshi's code new blocks always have a reward
kakobrekla: until its less than 1 satoshi?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06246363 = 0.6871 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1016 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1131 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.524999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: can it even be < 1 satoshi ?
mircea_popescu: not afaik
kakobrekla: afaik it goes to 0
ThickAsThieves: core devs will save us either way
mircea_popescu: afaik it goes to 1
pankkake: I think the reward is rounded, and it should end up rounded to zero
pankkake: not that it will matter
pankkake: doge will save us anyway
kakobrekla: atc if not doge
Jere_Jones: Bitcoin is setup so that the coin generation will go to 0. Rewards will come from transaction fees.
ThickAsThieves: The Year 3000 Bug
kakobrekla: and vitalik if not atc
pankkake: atc goes to zero too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.10610101 BTC [-]
pankkake: but bernankoin doesn't!
mircea_popescu: i guess we'll find out who's right in 2350 or so
ThickAsThieves: i s that when core devs learn to read the code?
jurov: maybe sooner... btc can easily have Y2038 bug
nubbins`: honestly
nubbins`: i'm starting a list
nubbins`: of "graphic designers" who can't be fucked to do their jobs properly
Jere_Jones: Block 6930000 will have 0 new coins.
jurov: in 2038 it overflows and starts issuing million btc per block
jurov: yay
nubbins`: some guy in a band contacts me to print some CD inserts
dexX7_: http://live.reuters.com/Event/Janet_Yellens_Congressional_testimony this woman was listed in the letter of the "ban bitcoin senator" ... is this related?
ozbot: Janet Yellen's Senate Banking Committee Testimony | Reuters.com
nubbins`: he sends along the whole re:re:re:re:re:re:re: email chain from his designer, where i find out he paid this person $250 to design a couple of shitty inserts
nubbins`: and they're not even the right size.
nubbins`: how bad do you have to be at your job to not even bother researching the dimensions of the thing you're making?
ThickAsThieves: lol nubbins` good luck
nubbins`: i'm not fixing it, just told him
ThickAsThieves: gd is the new blue collar derp job
nubbins`: it really is
ThickAsThieves: that and "producer"
nubbins`: he wants to pay a "graphic" "designer" to make something, he can pay them to fix their mistakes
nubbins`: seriously, the back CD insert is a centimeter and a half too short.
ThickAsThieves: reflect the adjacent centimeter and send a proof
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.10610101 = 0.4244 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: or stretch it, even more likely to be approved
ThickAsThieves: of course your sould will die a little
nubbins`: nah, i'm not being paid to dick with graphics, i'm being paid to print them
nubbins`: no free lunch
kakobrekla: lemme slander it for you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00576 = 0.1728 BTC [-]
Duffer1: dexX7 not likely
Duffer1: dexX7 but she is vice chair of the federal reserve so if she mentions bitcoin at all it would likely be interesting
ThickAsThieves: you'll see yellen's name all over the place she's the new fed chair
ThickAsThieves: white dove, they call her
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 129 @ 0.00576 = 0.743 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: they also love calling her "dovish"
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i mean either epoxy or seals, can these both work in any sense ? << depends on the exact sense wanted.
asciilifeform: if the 'seal' is connected to a burglar alarm, and a tripped alarm means a platoon of soldiers showing up in 30 sec., then sure.
asciilifeform: and even then it's not a sure bet.
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mircea_popescu: i don't get it tho
mircea_popescu: epoxy prevents unsealing from doing anything.
mircea_popescu: either you use an alarm on the door or you brick it up.
mircea_popescu: what's a bricked up door with an alarm supposed to do ?
asciilifeform: the seal is for inspectors. the epoxy is there against the 'owner.'
mircea_popescu: but why would someone tamper with the seals on an epoxied item
asciilifeform: it is so i need a shoebox full of these phones, rather than 1 or 2, to extract whatever turd may be of interest therein.
asciilifeform: presumably the whole thing isn't potted
asciilifeform: there are 'sim' sockets, and antennae
asciilifeform: and perhaps other connectors
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mircea_popescu: i guess it'd have to be
asciilifeform: their open declaration 'this priceless gem must never fall into the hands of the public' is simply begging for it.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: potting in epoxy is so very '70s
asciilifeform: it went out of style, as i understand - because it mostly just annoys people
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asciilifeform: the Votrax voice synth that unix 'speak' utility was meant for, was, if i recall, potted
asciilifeform: it was a cheap trick management insisted on, somewhat like modern copyprotection
asciilifeform: not that it can't be used to some effect - ibm crypto card had potting with a kind of conductive mesh, that when broken would lose SRAM
asciilifeform: and if i recall, some current anti-personnel mines have the detonator and anti-handling device (gyro) 'potted' in the main charge.
asciilifeform: main problem is: unless you (owner) personally wrapped the mesh and poured the epoxy, the device is a 'jail not a castle'
asciilifeform: because you then do not know what is inside.
asciilifeform: you (on the outside) are in the jail.
asciilifeform: 'are you inside or outside of a klein bottle?'
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mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones what the wiki says and what the code does...
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well it doesn't do much, i have some epoxy solvent right here
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mircea_popescu: (methylene chloride)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'state of the art' is epoxy poured over a widget having bridges made of conductive epoxy, with ordinary epoxy poured over
asciilifeform: that dissolve together
mircea_popescu: i guess.
asciilifeform: this is not a show-stopper, it just means that you need to work at it.
asciilifeform: (hence shoebox full of identical victims)
mircea_popescu: if their hopes of ppl not finding out what's inside rest with epoxy...
mircea_popescu: but anyway.
asciilifeform: i think their 'hopes' rest with the price tag
asciilifeform: and controlled supply chain
mircea_popescu: and for the annals of twitter lolz :
mircea_popescu: Julian Sanchez @normative · 1h Somewhere, a British spy is wanking to your last naked video chat. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/27/gchq-nsa-webcam-images-internet-yahoo …
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 58m @normative Actually most of these office rat "spies" are women.
mircea_popescu: Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 47m @Mircea_Popescu @normative women do masturbate.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · 31m @ChrisGurr @normative Sure, sure, but I think you see what I mean.
mircea_popescu: Christopher Gurr @ChrisGurr · 15m @Mircea_Popescu @normative not really.
mircea_popescu: Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu · now @ChrisGurr Well I guess we can rehash this conversation once you meet a woman then.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: you mind if we crib your screenshots to start a screenshot page on eulorum?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins` chuckles
mircea_popescu: mike_c not rly
mircea_popescu: course ideally you run the thing and get your on ss's but hey...
mike_c: k. they will be credited to trilema.
mircea_popescu: apparently its a tougher nut to compile than i thought
mike_c: yeah, that is the hope
mircea_popescu: you dun have to credit ingame ss's tbh
mircea_popescu: i didn't... you know, contribute intellectually.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why tits on dick surgery ?
nubbins`: milkless saqs
nubbins`: those aren't tits, it's a nutsack with nipples
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mircea_popescu: omfg my spam
mircea_popescu: had special characters
mircea_popescu: doesn't show in the log
nubbins`: noooo
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i'm not sure how tough it is to compile on linux
mircea_popescu: not very.
jurov: depends
jurov: i gave up
mircea_popescu: but you all use iphones or w/e
mircea_popescu: jurov o srsly ? what happened ?
jurov: segfault and no debug symbols
jurov: so i embarked on compiling crystalstuff
jurov: and failed
nubbins`: which CS?
nubbins`: i used 2.1 latest snapshot
jurov: i tried both latest and the revision chetty gave me
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: TBF most of the trouble i had was related to osx-specific code
nubbins`: what sort of problems did you run into w/ your compile?
mircea_popescu: jurov cs failed the compile ?
jurov: yes. gentoo does have cs 2.0 and it compiles, maybe sometime i'll research by what magic
nubbins`: i think 2.1 is required
jurov: i just had enough
jurov: nubs yes thats the problem
mircea_popescu: yeah the segfault was 99% because you probably couldn't acquire a video surface
mircea_popescu: cause no cs
jurov: then i noticed cs shipped with eulora 0.0.1 links dorectly to ati proprietary driver
nubbins`: CS itself requires a bunch of libraries to be installed, but the report produced at the end of ./configure lists what's there and what's not
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mike_c: i tried a couple different versions of ati drivers but can't stop segfaulting either.
nubbins`: this macbook has, i think, nvidia
jurov: just don't know what to dowith it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00567999 = 0.284 BTC [-]
nubbins`: i gave up compiling earlier versions, decided i had a vested interest in getting this to work, buckled down
chetty: looks like upgrading my development system threw a few curves :(
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nubbins`: jurov FWIW there's a ton of info out there on random CS compilation issues from older versions, some of it is still relevant
nubbins`: just a bit of a slog sorting through the error logs etc
jurov: yes i found some, killed few hours with no avail
mike_c: we need eulora to run easier to boost ATC prices!
nubbins`: mike_c: what?!
nubbins` removes osx compilation instructions
mike_c: haha
chetty: there is a #crystalspace channel might get some help there
nubbins`: WAIT FUCK IT'S A WIKI THAT WON'T WORK
jurov: ok, some other day
mike_c: luckily i control the database :)
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mircea_popescu: so basically cs ships with an ati proprietary driver object linked ?
nubbins`: pascale runs ubuntu, i might take a stab at it over the weekend
jurov: just do ldd on the .so, you'll see
nubbins`: meantime, i need to figure out why my keyboard input doesn't get redirected to the gui
nubbins`: just shows up in the terminal window from which the gui is launched
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you on x ?
mircea_popescu: this is fucking ridiculous, x doesn't have any isolation
nubbins`: mouse clicks get picked up
nubbins`: wait, sorry
mircea_popescu: any x app can pick the kbd
nubbins`: i'm not on x
mircea_popescu: well what are you on ?
mircea_popescu: o wait you had osx ?
mircea_popescu: did they just rip off x into something incompatible or what did they do
nubbins`: x on osx is called xquartz (gets launched when i run gimp, inkscape, etc)
nubbins`: but when i run ./psclient from terminal, gui window opens up without the help of xquarts
nubbins`: *xquartz
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ozbot: GCHQ intercepted webcam images of millions of Yahoo users worldwide | World news | theguardian.com
nubbins`: i know nothing of the internals involved there, tho
nubbins`: more research needed
nubbins`: fyi, i'll be buttering you up for more stock warrants if i end up maintaining osx releases ;D
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nubbins`: avast
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla YES
mircea_popescu: that is the thing i was commenting about and doesn't show up in the log!
mircea_popescu: can't you make it so unrecognised characters are just stripped out ?
mircea_popescu: rather than whole line failing ?
mircea_popescu: it's driving me nuts
kakobrekla: no clue
kakobrekla: ill take a look at some point
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bitcoinpete: now I understand why ThickAsThieves was asking about me...
bitcoinpete: He read my last blog and left a comment because I mentioned Neo
ozbot: The Wallet Inspector’s Promise | When Bitcoin Met Pete
Duffer1: ya saw that hehe
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29700 @ 0.00086715 = 25.7544 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete so did oyu delete ?
kakobrekla: already 4 articles on that blog, not bad
mircea_popescu: ah i see not.
kakobrekla: more than i ever produced.
nubbins`: bitcoinpete lel
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bitcoinpete: Maybe I didn't need to mention Neo… but it's been hyped enough of late. Makes the article seem up with the times.
mike_c: don't back down!
mircea_popescu: eh dun sweat it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00541017 = 0.2164 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: I'm not, I understand the implication I made
mike_c: that's what comments are for anyway, to debate the post. TaT got his word in.
bitcoinpete: I've got another article in the pipeline about patience
ozbot: Quebec Language Police Target Store Owner's Facebook Page - Slashdot
pankkake: ils sont fous ces québécois
nubbins`: oui ;(
nubbins`: j'ai vécu au Québec pour un été
nubbins`: endroit étrange
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Apocalyptic: nubbins speak french heh
nubbins`: i'm canadian
nubbins`: you only speak one language?!
Apocalyptic: I speak 4
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00533001 = 0.533 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: and french isn't one of them?
Apocalyptic: it is, why ?
nubbins`: not sure where your "heh" came from :D
Apocalyptic: was just genuinely surprised
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mike_c: ^ bitcoinpete drives down neo stock
nubbins`: anyway, pankkake might argue that i don't speak "french" at all
nubbins`: but a bastardized derivation thereof
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bitcoinpete: mice_c ha! ce n'est pas ma faute!
mircea_popescu: wait is it french day again ?
Apocalyptic: seems like it
bitcoinpete: it is in bruxelles
nubbins`: ANGLAIS SEULEMENT SVP
bitcoinpete: my god their french is lovely here
asciilifeform: re: 'GCHQ intercepted webcam images' << goes great with the well-known fact that most laptop cameras have software-controlled activity lights.
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mircea_popescu: maybe not so well known
asciilifeform: (this is one of those things that actually costs something, and is in no conceivable case an accident)
ozbot: Eyebloc Webcam Cover - Webcam Blocker as Seen on Shark Tank
nubbins`: eyebloc prevents your lid from closing
nubbins`: why not use a sticker?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.00533001 = 0.1919 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: why not open the damn thing up and unplug it
mike_c: cuz consumerism
pankkake: so you can remove it, I guess
nubbins`: open up a macbook? what are you, new? ;(
asciilifeform: it's virtually always an ordinary usb device with a non-standard plug
nubbins`: pankkake: piece of tape with a piece of paper in the middle of the sticky side
nubbins`: AS SEEN ON SHARK TANK
nubbins`: AS SEEN ON TV
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nubbins`: do they even have a product? i can't find it amongst all the SHARK TANK logos
asciilifeform: incidentally, winblows camera trojans are old hat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00531 = 0.4885 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: gotta get the gurlz used to camwhoring somehow.
wao-ender: v0v, that krym politics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 154 @ 0.00531 = 0.8177 BTC [+] {2}
wao-ender: there will be referendum for autonomy?
mircea_popescu: ok so : knowing that the "on the internet no one knows you're a dog" cartoon is the most reprinted cartoon in the history of the new yorker,
mircea_popescu: how much did the author make from rights so far ?
bitcoinpete: 1 million
nubbins`: cheated ;(
mircea_popescu: 4 questions. smartypants.
mircea_popescu: fucking internet, can't have a contest anymore
asciilifeform: i think that's close to the exact sum, in modern usd, that tolkien was paid for his books.
mike_c: "The cartoon marks a notable moment in the history of the Internet. Once the exclusive domain of government engineers and academics, the Internet was now a subject of discussion in general interest magazines like The New Yorker."
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile the retarded woman made like 1bn
mike_c: bitcoin is already there i guess
thestringpuller: why you hatin' on harry potter?
nubbins`: in bitcoin, nobody knows you're a derp
thestringpuller: is that really necessary?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.0053 = 0.6625 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i just think it's pulpy.
benkay: hey thestringpuller i found your new shoes
benkay: strin
nubbins`: nothing wrong with pulp
ozbot: DC Villain LE Wheat & Black Slippers at Zumiez : PDP
nubbins`: consider that HP inspired a generation of kids to fall in love with books
nubbins`: that's a net positive
asciilifeform: i recall reading that H.P. was sort of like mtgox
asciilifeform: in that it was picked for the 'slot' by media mouthpieces
mircea_popescu: i dunno that it "did" anything
benkay: hp was great in that it gave pretty 13 year old girls something different to run their mouths about
mircea_popescu: it was just there, any other piece of pulp would have worked the same way
asciilifeform: there is this old custom in the u.s., of 'crowning' some nobody
mircea_popescu: different than what ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform at least the greeks killed the nobody when done
benkay: lacrosse at our school
mircea_popescu: rather than leaving the turd floating on a billion dollars.
benkay: probably mtv elsewhere
asciilifeform: $1b is never given to a nobody, it is only lent.
asciilifeform: just like lottery winners
Apocalyptic: unless it's in bitcoins
asciilifeform: it eventually comes back to where it must, like water
benkay: even so, Apocalyptic
ozbot: Things that are cheaper than whatsapp
bitcoinpete: LHC, whoa
benkay: i soliloquized on the benefits of the gox coins ending up in the hands of humans who undertsand how coins work instead of gox' or their customers last night
benkay: went over like a charm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00086839 = 30.3068 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: if only gox traded bernankoin those poor souls could be made whole.
Apocalyptic: benkay, you may have a point
asciilifeform: MisterE: re: 'things cheaper than' << think about what would happen if the folks with the funny money actually bought 38 million cows or whatnot
asciilifeform: it's rather like the $MAXINT account on gox
mike_c: but the cow dealer might not take most of the money in facebook stock like whatsapp did.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0053 = 0.636 BTC [-]
benkay: Apocalyptic: i'm a bit of a pariah among locals in bitcoin right now due to the glee i exhibited over the past 4 months in their demise. my only consolation is that the derps will turn over, as they do here. it just seems to be slower around here, mostly i think 'cause people lack any sort of hustle in these parts.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd happen ? there'd suddenly be a stringent need for regulation
kakobrekla: the only thing you can do with that much cow is ipcc extortion
mircea_popescu: so as to inflate away the property rights acquired
benkay: Apocalyptic: of course, saying "you don't deserve your coins" yields a quick ticket to the edge of the desert
asciilifeform: more mundanely, the money would buy perhaps 10,000 cows.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.11334348 = 1.5868 BTC [+]
benkay: nerds :(
benkay: "a naked lay-dee!"
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benkay: jurov mircea_popescu you are both right as always about physics stuffs
benkay: but!
benkay: actually no buts
mircea_popescu: what did i do nao
benkay: .bait
kakobrekla: such asset
mircea_popescu: what the holy shit is a "LNP Specialist " supposed to be
benkay: "licker of new penises"
jurov: mircea_popescu: it was the inflatable dick stretching to sea floor
mircea_popescu: so apparently a "lnp specialist" is what they call phonewhores
mircea_popescu: ie the camwhores that do voice customer support.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.005205 = 0.1562 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: 'phonewalla' (as described in film 'slumdog millionaire')
Jere_Jones: mircea_popescu I've looked at the code that calculates the max coinbase out and it does indeed calculate a subsidy of 0 for blocks 6930000 and greater. I can explain it line by line if you like.
mircea_popescu: Jere_Jones my question is different. will blocks with a 0 miner fee be accepted as valid ?
mircea_popescu: well then i give
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pankkake: you can already make a block with 0 now
Jere_Jones: ConnectBlock is the function that verifies a block. It only ensures that the value out of the first transaction is not greater than a calculated value. One would expect 0 to not be greater than.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 625 @ 0.00495599 = 3.0975 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: lol mining such blocks would be a good way to rile everyone up
mircea_popescu: i got nothin'!
Jere_Jones: That would destroy coins since the fees would disappear.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086493 = 2.9408 BTC [-] {2}
Jere_Jones: Wow. Extrapolating that to absurd means you could destroy every single bitcoin. The blockchain could have a grand total of 0 satoshis spendable.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.0048884 = 0.831 BTC [-] {7}
Jere_Jones: I imagine that long before that could happen there would be some code added to ensure the coinbase adds up to the fees in order to prevent that.
benkay: Jere_Jones: would you link somewhere near this in the source?
mircea_popescu: it wouldn't be 0,
mircea_popescu: it'd be current total base
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.49075700 BTC to 3`100 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00518217 = 0.881 BTC [+] {5}
mircea_popescu: >>= is that right bitshift ?
Jere_Jones: yes. 0 fill bitshift
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 1.47825643 BTC to 320`663 shares, 461 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bg7_WS1IgAEa7sB.jpg:large << map of countries the uk has not invaded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.00517997 = 0.1191 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: when did it invade eastern europe?
asciilifeform: epic translation fail
asciilifeform: 'English: Mark V female tank in Arkhangelsk'
pankkake: benkay: burn them all
mircea_popescu: anyway : janet yellen yields to trilema
mircea_popescu: "fed has no authority in btc"
benkay: no but wait she doesn't matter we must consult the forumoracles
benkay: (buttcoin fumaroles)
mircea_popescu: yeah right, who is she
mircea_popescu: hasn't even done an ama or anything.
benkay: yeah gosh doesn't she know bitcoin is a people power movement?
benkay: never going to get anywhere with this elitest fiat attitude...
nubbins`: people power
bitcoinpete: speaking of the fed, mircea_popescu, I've been looking for that line in the logs about the world having its Zimbabwe moment from 2010-2014 and not even knowing it. That's classic. Do you remember when it was or have a link?
nubbins`: PPLP
asciilifeform: in other news, 'flir' camera for the proles. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2454119,00.asp
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nubbins`: ppl(W/T)
bitcoinpete: gratzi
benkay: asciilifeform: my limited intel sez flir's having a hard time
benkay: ergo consumer devices?
asciilifeform: $1k longwave IR viewers are old hat
asciilifeform: plenty of electronics hobbyists own them
asciilifeform: usually 10x10 pixels or so, but that's enough to find thermal faults
ozbot: WARNING to BM Subscribers: Do NOT Open Any Document Re: Mt.Gox from Our Staff – Bitcoin Magazine
nubbins`: i think she meant to say "that purports to be from our staff", but w/e
nubbins`: also, -1 for tip address at bottom of article
nubbins`: haha
mircea_popescu: the value of bitcoin is principally this : that an intelligent agent can turn any turdgasm into comedy gold.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5449 = 1.0898 BTC [+]
Korbman: anybody from the US get a call from the SEC today / recently?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0048 = 0.24 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: arent you from HL?
Korbman: on HL, yes, but it wasn't about me they wanted to talk about
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Duffer1: ukyo/burnside?
Korbman: SatoshiDice and MPEx
Duffer1: fascinating
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nubbins`: huh. interesting!
Korbman: indeed, and surprising
Apocalyptic: huh indeed
Duffer1: vorhees and popescu then
Apocalyptic: next thing we know they're coming to Timisoara
nubbins`: twist: they're hosting the conference
mike_c: what did they want to know?
Apocalyptic: haha nubbins`
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Duffer1: probably if they had US customers/investors
nubbins` pops corn
Korbman: they were wondering if I held any shares of Dice on MPEx, who any PT operators were, and if I received payments (dividends)
Korbman: Duffer1: my thoughts exactly
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Duffer1: they're in for an unpleasant time if they thing their cock size will impress Mircea lol
Duffer1: think*
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mike_c: did they seem to be aware that dice is no longer listed?
Duffer1: did they ask you not to mention anything Korbman?
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nubbins`: Duffer1, SEC lurks here, so i hope not
Korbman: mike_c: seemed that way, but they didn't divulge much on what's going on
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Korbman: Duffer1: there wasn't any explicit indication that it was to be private
Duffer1: i see
Korbman: or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P
Apocalyptic: good answer
nubbins` divests
Duffer1: welcome SEC, say hello
nubbins`: Duffer1: cock size, maybe not. extradition order, maybe so.
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deadweasel: lol, how do you think romania would respond to such?
ozbot: FBI — Three Members of International Cyber Fraud Ring Extradited from Romania to the United States
nubbins`: ^ that's how
deadweasel: well shit
Apocalyptic: one mircea is among them
nubbins`: last name
BingoBoingo: Eh, There's always Somalia
mircea_popescu: nubbins` derp.
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nubbins`: hey, all i do is opine and link
nubbins`: "The Bucharest Appeals Court ordered the extraditions of Mircea, Pieptea, and Simion on February 2, 2013. The defendants were subsequently transported to the Eastern District of New York and arraigned on March 27, 2013."
mircea_popescu: aren't these the guys with the fake ebay listings ?
nubbins`: seems so
mircea_popescu: ya they were
mircea_popescu: As alleged in the indictment, the defendants and their co-conspirators saturated Internet marketplace websites, such as eBay.com, Cars.com, AutoTrader.com, and CycleTrader.com, with detailed advertisements for cars, motorcycles, boats, and other high-value items generally priced in the $10,000 to $45,000 range. Unbeknownst to the buyers, however, the merchandise did not exist. The so-called sellers corresponded with th
mircea_popescu: e victim buyers by e-mail, sending fraudulent certificates of title and other information designed to lure the victims into parting with their money. Sometimes, they pretended to sell cars from non-existent auto dealerships in the United States and even created phony websites for these fictitious dealerships.
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nubbins`: anyway, point is that if the usa wants to extradite someone from a foreign country and provides even a tenuous reason for doing so, there's no reason to think said country won't comply
asciilifeform: so much for sovereignty?
nubbins`: hm, would the verb be "intradite" in that sense? is that even a word?
nubbins`: asciilifeform, what are you, new?
mircea_popescu: it would seem successfully prosecuting fraudsters hardly amounts to much indication of your theory.
asciilifeform: although it is possible that Ro gave them up voluntarily
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well the hell would it have given them up involuntarily lol
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: they extradited a canadian national a couple of years ago who mailed marijuana seeds from canada to the usa
Duffer1: what circumstances would allow for an extradition
nubbins`: that's hardly even a crime here. previous record for harshest punishment was a $200 fine.
KRS-One: o7 sturles teh goxcoin billionaire
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that may be canada's problem
mircea_popescu: fraud is a crime in romania, this wasn't too hard to prove really
benkay: aight davout you got another?
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nubbins`: may be your problem soon enough
nubbins`: but like i said, all i do is opine and link :)
mircea_popescu: sure, why not.
mircea_popescu: ve not been in a court for a while anyway, kinda getting to miss it.
nubbins`: gives you an excuse to wear a suit
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mircea_popescu: and publicly humiliate people.
mircea_popescu: supposedly i'm good at that.
nubbins`: "your honor, the prosecution cannot bear the continued humiliation, and therefore withdraws all charges"
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mircea_popescu: now that'd suck.
mircea_popescu: you'd hope people stick with denial for the length of the exercise.
nubbins`: well yeah, nothing would get resolved!
mircea_popescu: "your honor, clearly we're winning by losing over here, wouldn't you agree"
ozbot: Woman in Scotland fills out the wrong form on TripAdvisor. Is now ranked 87 o
Duffer1: never heard of it
chatquack: ...sports betting site...
chatquack: Was, anyway...
BingoBoingo: chatquack: Maybe, official story is prolongued DDoS, wouldn't be their first
chatquack: Ahhh ok!
mircea_popescu: anyway, the sec, just like any other us or non us, governmental or non governmental agency needs to get used to the idea that bitcoin is a thing, and they need to work with it.
chatquack: I wanted to see how that tennis match turned out.
mircea_popescu: not a negotiable thing.
BingoBoingo: chatquack: Not very confident in them going forward.
chatquack: That makes me a sad panda.
mircea_popescu: got a lot there ?
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chatquack: Naw... Just a few cents
ozbot: Performance By Chesty La Rue and Chow Mein From Harlettes Monster Mash 7 - YouTube
mircea_popescu: amateurz/noobz/lulz
mircea_popescu: o and boobz.
chatquack: Ha! Monster mash
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chatquack: Is she drinking gin?
mircea_popescu: water, proably. a more awkward thing i don't remember.
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chatquack: mmmmmm ta ta's
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chatquack: oh, looks like a jager bottle
Duffer1: i look forward to the SEC comedy hour, have they set a date/time MP?
ThickAsThieves: so SEC probly pursuing Erik
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 next week sometime.
mircea_popescu: and i set the dates.
Duffer1: ^.^ i hope i'm awake for it
kakobrekla: tat or MP, but we will see that if and when SEC joins the chan
Duffer1: why Erik though s.dice was sold
Apocalyptic: would definitely be popcorn time
nubbins`: ugh, someone was chewing bubble gum the other day and it reminded me of Jager bombs
nubbins`: almost threw up
ThickAsThieves: maybe because/how/whether SDICE was sold
kakobrekla: but the proceeds ended up on gox, so there.
Duffer1: did blockchain buy it or is that a partnership?
Duffer1: ver has shilled for gox before..
mircea_popescu: poor sec people tbh.
mircea_popescu: i imagine it's an insane fucking job right about now. in the same day their boss says btc is what mp says it is and some derp senator calls for its banning,
asciilifeform: incidentally, now might be a good time to learn that russian passport can (if certain laws currently under consideration pass) be had for about 300K usd.
mircea_popescu: before that some ny state guy is trying to get it licensed and the acct office said it can't,
mircea_popescu: now they're stuck somehow dealing with quite obvious fraud a la mtgox while somehow satisfying the demands of patently insane eastern european dudes with no interest in their internal problems
mircea_popescu: being a bureaucrat is all about following a fucking script, which is exactly antithetical to the situation they find themselves in.
dexX7: now is the time to tell. were you the unknown buyer of sd? ;)
mircea_popescu: what, that was actually a thing ?
dexX7: "nah i won't tell" or "nah, i was not"?
mircea_popescu: i'd have announced it if i was.
mircea_popescu: nah i was not.
Duffer1: that's part of my question yesterday, can there physically exist a bureaucracy capable of "regulating" bitcoin?
dexX7: well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly
mircea_popescu: someone srsly thought i was ?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 sure. the dutch managed to regulate dutch trade just fine
Duffer1: i can't imagine the amount of resources it would take
mircea_popescu: by delegating it to the people who knew wtf was going on.
Duffer1: but even then if the miners disagree with that group...
mircea_popescu: that group is predicated on the theory of "knowing wtf is going on"
mircea_popescu: miners can;t disagree with that.
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ThickAsThieves: <dexX7> well, tat came up with the idea initially, if i remember correctly /// was a guess between me and Occam
ThickAsThieves: although Occam forgot to tell me an even more likely buyer was Erik
Duffer1: so are they going to offer you a job then MP?
mircea_popescu: how are they in the position to offer me a job ?!
diametric: haha some idiot bought USD$5,000 worth of Goxbtc yesterday morning
mircea_popescu: what do i get paid in, usg stock ?
ThickAsThieves: King of US
dexX7: as self proclaimed regulator of teh bitcoins
Duffer1: from their perspective they might believe they are i mean
mircea_popescu: but i dun wanna be king of us.
ThickAsThieves: Kinf of the Werld?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 well sure but i never heard of this working
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you know, if i wanted a larger harem i'd enlarge my harem.
ThickAsThieves: well you want somnthing
mircea_popescu: that's the catch lol
mircea_popescu: i don't.
ThickAsThieves: when'd your funeral?
ThickAsThieves: lame joke, ignore
mircea_popescu: ya but what does it mean
ThickAsThieves: nothing to live for
ThickAsThieves: kill urself
ThickAsThieves: when is funeral
ThickAsThieves: you already beat the game
ThickAsThieves: now do hard mode
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mircea_popescu: what, people can live just fine after they maxlvl
mircea_popescu: just a lot moar zen.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, speaking of glbse, did they extradite mccarthy guy yet ?
mircea_popescu: cause that's a trial i'd actually like to see
mircea_popescu: "your honor, may i just say derp"
ThickAsThieves: no fun hunting dudes out of the spotlight
ThickAsThieves: they are headhunting bitcoin jesuses first
ThickAsThieves: maybe a bitbet "Bitcoin Apostles Sacrificed" At least 12 Bitcoin Talking Heads Get Charged in 2014
Duffer1: SEC if you're here there's a guy named Ken Slaughter operating somewhere in the U.S. midwest in desperate need of your attentions
asciilifeform: wake me up for the televised impalements.
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mircea_popescu: Duffer1 yes, the irony of the situation is that really, there's a lot of work to do
Duffer1: indeed
mircea_popescu: not like ima send czech vixens to pick up the slaughters or w/e
mircea_popescu: and im sure mpoe-pr would love nothing more than the equivalent of civ's "our words are backed by nuclear weapons" pasted in her sigline
mircea_popescu: so it doesn't *have* to be all enmitous and shit.
Duffer1: I wonder if they need a consultant, I accept bitcoin
Duffer1: and lambos
ThickAsThieves: theyll have lambos to unload after they get through all the exchanges i guess
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ozbot: Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others
nubbins`: i guess he wrote that in a text editor and then pasted it, hey?
diametric: more of this guy
diametric: we should try to convince him we're all popescu
diametric: this channel is nothing but popescu, all day, errday.
mircea_popescu: it isn't ?
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ozbot: Mircea Popescu aka Crumbs & others
mircea_popescu: for they too young to get the reference : rarity was a notorious troll in 2011
mircea_popescu: also happened to be either posing as or actually an underage fellow
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mircea_popescu: ended up publishing really dubious pms from i forget who the fuck
mircea_popescu: but this was just at the peak of bruce wagner's thai prostitution stuff
mircea_popescu: am i the only one here old enough to remember all this ancient history ?
Duffer1: sorry i've only been around since july ish
mircea_popescu: this is 2010-2011 stuffd
mircea_popescu: so there was this guy by the name of bruce wagner, the original bitcoin jesus.
mircea_popescu: he was a bit of a pedo, and ran his own tv show out of some ny studio
mircea_popescu: studio as in, apartment.
mircea_popescu: together with his mentally retarded boyfriend
mircea_popescu: mentally retarded to the degree he filmed entire episodes of their show with the camera in demo mode
mircea_popescu: just in case you ever wondered how bitcoin got the early reputation of being a toy for the tards.
mircea_popescu: that show was called the bitcoin show.
mircea_popescu: and the original bitcoin jesus recommended quite strongly a wallet service called mybitcoin
mircea_popescu: which ran off with whatever, 500k btc ? something.
ozbot: The fucked up people of bitcoin and Bruce Wagner's (predictable) thoughts on rape. - Buttcoin - The
mircea_popescu: butccoin is actually a good entry point for that old drama.
asciilifeform: so, where's that coin now?
mircea_popescu: well... possibly in thailand.
asciilifeform: if unspent, sort of speaks against the 'no such thing as taint' hypothesis
kakobrekla: it ended up on gox
mircea_popescu: the most sordid part of all of it being that the guy wanted to organise bitcoin's first conference in thailand
mircea_popescu: because child prostitutes are cheap there
mircea_popescu: it was later unearthed he had an entire opus written about being a gay whore and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: obviously nobody went, but still.
kakobrekla: yes that show was as terrible as it gets, sponsored by mtgox.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it WAS sponsored by mtgox wasn't it
mircea_popescu: yeah it's now coming back to me
ozbot: The Bitcoin Show - Episode 012 - YouTube
mircea_popescu: anyway, this was somehow related to getting some poor schmucks to take bitcoin for their grill in new york
mircea_popescu: the shop went under.
mircea_popescu: it also is related to gmaxwell's fat girlfriend breaking a segway or was it amir taaki that broke the segway or what the fuck was that
kakobrekla: aha tradehill also sponsored them
kakobrekla: at least the linked ep.
kakobrekla: i guess gox gave up by ep 12
asciilifeform: reminds me of an incident, many years ago, when i snarfed what what supposed to be a warez copy of a text on the programming language 'ruby'. turned out to be renamed 'ruby.avi', a cheap porn, entitled 'Ruby Breaks her Sybian.'
mircea_popescu: carpevm ahahaha
mircea_popescu: jesus fuckwit cant even use his butterfly mic
mircea_popescu: mezegrill that was it yea
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kakobrekla: o fuck me
kakobrekla: i checked ep 1, no gox, ep 31, gox is sponsor
mircea_popescu: lol true professionals, tradehill.
kakobrekla: they sponsored him after they saw how shitty it is.
mircea_popescu: ahh such a lol this pseudocurrency thing
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mircea_popescu: kakobrekla they figured... hey, perfect fit
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benkay: retail shops only start taking bitcoin when they're already circling the drain.
benkay: same story with the local 'bitcoin meetup' and its location.
nubbins`: KofC?
benkay: nubbins`: wat
mircea_popescu: benkay this is possible an explanation for the grill thing's fate sure
nubbins`: knights of columbus
mircea_popescu: 2,111 views check that shit out.
nubbins`: like the legion, but different somehow
mircea_popescu: anyway, this guy is sort-of like what max keiser aspires to be
mircea_popescu: "Bitcoin's scam based economy runs on 15-35 year old white men who are very very upset about... The fed? Government regulation? Their crippling inability to purchase mercenary divisions to conquer small countries?"
mircea_popescu: i kinda miss the old days
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla check it out : http://onlyonetv.com/
mircea_popescu: their last show is the shtylman show!
kakobrekla: o roman
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mircea_popescu: (for the people joining us late, shtylman was some geek who created the bitfloor disaster)
mircea_popescu: worth a read.
nubbins`: so a friend of mine works at a pharmacy
nubbins`: there's a big shortage of ritalin in canada right now
nubbins`: friend says work is "interesting" these days
nubbins`: lots of strung-out freaks causing trouble
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nubbins`: apparently certain brands are better than others for snorting
mircea_popescu: people use ritalin as cocaine />
nubbins`: yyyyyyyup.
mircea_popescu: but... why
mircea_popescu: "Due to the real identity of these troll accounts belonging to Mircea Popescu and how close he believes himself to be to the higher echelons of Bitcoin including the Mods/Admins of this forum, i don't believe this post to last long."
mircea_popescu: ok, did i snort too much or is this a little... strange ?
mircea_popescu: is the theory therein contemplated that the post won't last long because of how close I BELIEVE myself to the higher echelons blabla ?
nubbins`: guy definitely thinks monsters lurk in the shadows
nubbins`: regarding the "why" of snorting rits, it's because they're cheap as fuck
mircea_popescu: but i mean... either i believe myself in which case the post is unmolested
mircea_popescu: or else i actually am in which case the post won't last long
ThickAsThieves: he thinks youre thermos too
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves maybe he thinks i believe i'm thermos.
nubbins`: ritalin is one of the most abused prescription drugs in north america
mircea_popescu: nubbins` but it doesn't do anything
nubbins`: ...?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck does it do ?
nubbins`: it lights you up like a fucking christmas tree.
mircea_popescu: isn't it a depressant /
nubbins`: no, it's a stimulant
mircea_popescu: wh ythe fuck do they give aggitated kids stimulants ?!
nubbins`: calms kids down because it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them sit still
ThickAsThieves: it's how they do
ThickAsThieves: give hyper kids cocaine
nubbins`: when you snort it, tho, it makes lasers shoot out your eyes
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nubbins`: well. i should say, it stimulates the part of their brain that makes them pay attention
mircea_popescu: o i c it's a substitute phenethylamine
ozbot: CID 4158 Conformer
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mircea_popescu: so basically this is the gist of my anti-drug argument.
asciilifeform: just about any fast-acting dopamine reuptake inhibitor can substitute for cocaine
mircea_popescu: i see they want to give it to everyone. good for criminals, good for students, good to go.
mircea_popescu: basically... if you can you must. the us will include ritalin in water if it doesn't fucking collapse first.
ThickAsThieves: oh snap!
ozbot: Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ
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mircea_popescu: "Animal tests found that rats given methylphenidate grew up to be more stressed and emotional. "
mircea_popescu: perfect.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves we were discussing it earlier :D
ThickAsThieves: oh sorry
nubbins`: certain brands of ritalin are apparently better for snorting than others; the tell-tale sign of abuse is when a customer at the pharmacy asks what brand of ritalin they carry
ThickAsThieves: htought there's be more hype
nubbins`: occasionally, but not often, it's accompanied by a story about how such-and-such a brand gives them a rash, etc
asciilifeform: somebody teach these folks to dissolve & recrystallize.
ThickAsThieves: fuck is wrong with my brain
ThickAsThieves: i type like i have wires crossed
nubbins`: ThickAsThieves try ritalin
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform too much like work.
mircea_popescu: wait wait, "I have been paid by a member of this board and high value shareholder within the NeoBee security."
nubbins`: ^ lel
nubbins`: ikr?
ThickAsThieves: it wasnt me!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well then that's everyone.
asciilifeform: phun phact: in the late '80s-early '90s, ussr had a meth problem - but most of the users brewed their own
nubbins`: smear campaign from topace
asciilifeform: because people had actual education
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now the ussr has a krakadil problem
ThickAsThieves: how do you put a shareholder in a security anyway?
mircea_popescu: because they don't.
nubbins`: mp, +1
nubbins`: what this boils down to is that a well-educated populace is a populace that abuses high quality drugs
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: famous autobio. take on the subject, 'Низший Пилотаж' (http://lib.ru/ZHURNAL/pilotazh.txt)
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asciilifeform: 'Lowest Pilotage' (pun on russian expression 'highest pilotage', meaning a trick performed by a true master of some craft)
mircea_popescu: i think i was at some performance of this thing
asciilifeform: performance?!
mircea_popescu: this was like fashionable for a summer cca 2003
mircea_popescu: in romania
mircea_popescu: you know how middle class bitches get
mircea_popescu: all cultural and whatnot.
asciilifeform: cultural!?
mircea_popescu: totally.
ozbot: The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » Purpocylpse
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: interesting 'cattle management' perspective there.
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed. However now will the ratchets get their crunk on.
ThickAsThieves: who's fawn in here moiety?
Duffer1: he talks like mircea
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: The Terrible, Awful Truth About Supplemental Security Income
mircea_popescu: probably worth a read since we're on it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves moiety is some scottish chick. what fawn ?
ThickAsThieves: i could swear i saw her handle switch from Fawn once
ThickAsThieves: but my brain is glitchy
Duffer1: "This is why you can't have nice things. Ever." maybe PR? lol
ThickAsThieves: fawn is someone posting lately in threads relevent to us
mircea_popescu: what is this sorcery
ThickAsThieves: thats what i'm trying to suss
Duffer1: the person you linked with the Rarities ref
ozbot: The Angry Pharmacist » Blog Archive » SOMABOTS, TRANSFORM
mircea_popescu: Prometh with Codeine will no longer taste like ghettofab syrupy purple, it will taste like how all cough syrups should taste, like goat anus. They aren’t meant to fucking mix with Sprite and enjoyed after a long night of fucking your bitches and collecting taxpayer-funded benefits; they are meant to be choked down because you’ll do anything to get rid of that fucking cough.
mircea_popescu: it is what it is, innit ?
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nubbins`: it's true, cough syrups should taste like goat anus
ThickAsThieves: i just realized something awesome, next week i will never have to read the Asicminer threads again
nubbins`: phun phact: DXM is just as effective in pill form as it is in syrup form, and pills don't taste like goat anus; syrups are popular because people feel that having their throat coated with the shit means it works better
mircea_popescu: "One of these is Soma. The drug we all know and love. The other is a drug called Meprobamate also known as Miltown/Equanil for those of you who are close to retiring. See a similarity? Are you old guys out there chuckling? "
mircea_popescu: actually...that's what my mother got when she had ulcers in her 30s
mircea_popescu: it actually cured her.
thestringpuller: lol bitcoin-assets on sizzurp
thestringpuller: benkay got dat drink in his cup
ThickAsThieves: anyone can help me with syntax for pympex to transfer shares?
mircea_popescu: PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100
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ThickAsThieves: unknown coman 'oush'
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ThickAsThieves: hmm i see a 'plain' command for sending strings as is
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nubbins`: better test it first ;D
ThickAsThieves: didnt work
ThickAsThieves: i'll get my friend to help i guess
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jurov: ThickAsThieves: it should be uppercase
ThickAsThieves: mpex PUSH
ThickAsThieves: uknown command
jurov: can you show whole commandline (with redacted data if needed)
ThickAsThieves: normally the syntax is such
ThickAsThieves: mpex stat
ThickAsThieves: mpex withdraw addy amount
ThickAsThieves: just spaces between parameters
jurov: NOPE
ThickAsThieves: maybe i'm not using pympex?
ThickAsThieves: it's a linux console
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ThickAsThieves: my partner set up for me
ThickAsThieves: "To change default settings edit ~/.mpex/config.yaml"
jurov: ah that isn't pympex
ThickAsThieves: someone here made it
jurov: did you try passing 'PUSH|X.YZ|123GPGKEY|100' as parameter ?
ThickAsThieves: i forget who
jurov: note the quotes, wont work without
mircea_popescu: this has been quite customer-support-y so far.
mircea_popescu: have you tried turning it off and on again ?
ThickAsThieves: the commands i normally use work fine
ThickAsThieves: just never did a xfer before
mircea_popescu: maybe your thing doesn't have push implemented ?
ThickAsThieves: looks that way
jurov: maybe they have high sekurity and it's not allowed
mircea_popescu: i could see a case for disabling push
mircea_popescu: for a specialist implementation
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cads: I wish I had access to shapeways' production statistics
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ozbot: Banana Doge by kspaho on Shapeways
ozbot: Yellen On Bitcoin - Business Insider
Duffer1: dexX7 ^
ThickAsThieves: yer even later than me
mircea_popescu: lol the later festival.
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dexX7: well done @ yellen hearing
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ozbot: Banana Doge 3D-Print - YouTube
greenspan_fan: hey are we talking about command line programming
greenspan_fan: here's a great way to solve version control problems
greenspan_fan: git add -A;git commit -m "YOLO"; git push origin master --force
mircea_popescu: this is all proprietary finance shit
mircea_popescu: it never saw the inside of a git
greenspan_fan: you don't use version control?
greenspan_fan: also I'm kidding, the above kinda defeats the purpose of git
mircea_popescu: not me, it's his thing
greenspan_fan: looks like pympex is open source? It's on github, if that's the right one
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mircea_popescu: i thought we just established it ain't.
mircea_popescu: I'm guessing that this probably upsets people, on both sides of an imaginary political divide that only took 40 years to perfect. Thanks TV! Certainly I have my own opinions, but it doesn't matter what I think, what matters is what is. This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it
mircea_popescu: works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that.
mircea_popescu: The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for Th
mircea_popescu: e Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid.
mircea_popescu: ok i love this article/author.
asciilifeform: last psych?
asciilifeform: this one's a classic
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greenspan_fan: kinda disturbed to find out all of you read TLP as well...
mircea_popescu: i actually translated it in romanian cca 2011 so as to equip teh countrymen with t\he tool
mircea_popescu: course with or without that the system's movin' that way
asciilifeform: incidentally, if you apply the principle described above, the u.s. economy is far more 'sovietized' than the soviet one ever was
mircea_popescu: this is true, but unindicative.
mircea_popescu: the road was a lot wetter during rain than during drought, too.
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: You Are The 98%
greenspan_fan: my favourite one
mircea_popescu: soviets couldn't have fucking done it for lack of you know, tv. internet. roads. stuff.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know what this has a lot in common with ?
mircea_popescu: early bbs.
mircea_popescu: people suddenly discovering that joe=from-across-the-country also read hitchhiker's
mircea_popescu: and also heard of chtulhu
mircea_popescu: fancy that!
greenspan_fan: that's garbage stuff though
mircea_popescu: culture is garbage.
greenspan_fan: no one reads anymore, and yet here you all are
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greenspan_fan: like, everyone here is more or less interested (and able to understand) all of the great stuff in the world
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
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greenspan_fan: it's blowing my mind, bro
mircea_popescu: "The government allows it because someone has to deal with those "patients." The government doesn't any other options. "
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: My name is NotMichaelBay, and I just fucked your girlfriend
ozbot: The Last Psychiatrist: District 9
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greenspan_fan: on the off chance you haven't read those particular ones
greenspan_fan: "So I decided to try again, I told myself that there was going to be porn at the end of it, took off my pants, and watched. No, I didn't go back to the theatre; fortunately, the major studios have joined together and created a website called "The Pirate Bay" which allows you to watch a movie for free before you decide if you want to buy it from Amazon for 4 bucks"
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mircea_popescu: "Marching gets our message out." No it doesn't, it gets CNN's message out. "We don't watch CNN, we use the internet." Yet given the infinity of the internet you still surf the same 5 websites, looking for and finding exactly what you want, like a baby playing peekaboo in a mirror over and over and over and over and over and over and...
mircea_popescu: You are the 98%, you are totally without any access to the machinery of power and worse, much worse, you plug yourselves into the machinery of media and become a slave.
mircea_popescu: see, many aspire to be a bitcoin jesus, but this guy actually has enough insight.
greenspan_fan: "you are the 98%, and you are too slow"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr handle and some others insist that TLP is a woman.
greenspan_fan: you can either have the most money or you can have the loudest megaphone, but if you don't have one one of those then it doesn't matter what you think
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greenspan_fan: what's interesting (and Taleb hits on this as well) is that people are generally really poor at evaluating power-law types of extremes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it may be the case.
mircea_popescu: any basis offered ?
asciilifeform: wish i could remember
greenspan_fan: so for instance in bitcoin (and other currency) you can look to r/bitcoin for a community that is generally really homogeneous and has strong beliefs one way or the other
greenspan_fan: but it's irrelevant because most of the money isn't in the hands of those people
asciilifeform: personally i suspect that TLP is a bourbaki.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan nor is any megaphone.
greenspan_fan: the writing style's too consistent
mircea_popescu: that's not necessarily an argument.
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu well the very top opinion leaders have *some* power, but the average is in that 98%
asciilifeform: for all i care, tlp is a martian.
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan what ?
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu because if the self-appointed "bitcoin community" listens to you (even if they're on average <0.1 btc holders) then you might either get lucky and a) influence someone who actually matters or b) the huddled masses still might add up to something
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greenspan_fan: c.f. alinsky's rules for radicals
mircea_popescu: the huddled masses add up to something ? why and wherefore ?
mircea_popescu: do you mean add up to something in terms of resources, like a lot of coal or plankton adds up to something more than less coal or plankton ?
mircea_popescu: or do you mean in terms of agency ?
Duffer1: be both - soylent green
greenspan_fan: yeah, in terms of resources, not in terms of agency
greenspan_fan: because you wouldn't be part of that mass if you had real agency
mircea_popescu: well in terms of resources who te fuck cares.
greenspan_fan: "Everyone who gives himself a master was born to have one"
mircea_popescu: if i don't find the coal over here i'll find it over there
mircea_popescu: that's what the fucking coal finder machine is for : it finds coal.
mircea_popescu: the coal mined is not a stakeholder in the coal mine.
greenspan_fan: yeah but I mean, people are more effective than that
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greenspan_fan: they can be put to different efforts
mircea_popescu: are you going to try and resurect an argument as to agency underneath there ?
asciilifeform: if coal knew how to talk!
mircea_popescu: what's this, trojan arguing ?
mircea_popescu: if no agency, then no efficiency.
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greenspan_fan: just saying that if you have 1000 average people who listen to you, but no money, you'd still be able to run a business or take over a small county with them
mircea_popescu: yeah, it totally worked for mtgox
mircea_popescu: and for bitfloor
mircea_popescu: and for glbse
greenspan_fan: well I mean agency in the "standing athwart the bow of history" levels of agency
greenspan_fan: the problem with those places is they were run by idiots
mircea_popescu: "agency" is a term of art.
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mircea_popescu: well... apparently the coal didn't rescue them.
greenspan_fan: like presumably you're able to gauge the relative strengths and weaknesses of the people who work for you, right?
mircea_popescu: i don't employ idiots.
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mircea_popescu: no still. i really don't.
greenspan_fan: so you're saying that everyone who works for you is universally equally good at everything
mircea_popescu: no, but they are capable of making their own fucking judgements.
greenspan_fan: yeah, I'm not saying everyone should be an automaton
mircea_popescu: you are, yes.
mircea_popescu: "if you have 1000 average people [...] take over a small county "
mircea_popescu: this isnt starcraft.
greenspan_fan: look at the history of the world
greenspan_fan: how many revolutions were launched because 1000 people agreed with the analysis of someone else?
greenspan_fan: that seems like an insane position to take
mircea_popescu: but plenty of retellings of history of the world in english have been predicated on the cognitive device you describe.
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greenspan_fan: it's true, I've only read books on history in english
mircea_popescu: just because i use some matrices to describe eigenstates does not mean matrices are now integral parts of quantum mechanbics.
mircea_popescu: in fact, matrices aren't even there. and besides they could never be small enough to fit.
greenspan_fan: weren't you arguing the other day that they're still there regardless?
mircea_popescu: who they
greenspan_fan: the matrices, as a form of description
mircea_popescu: sure, but a different "there"
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greenspan_fan: so what I'm saying is that having 1000 people who listened to leaders was a necessary (but not sufficient) condition to launch some revolutions
mircea_popescu: the entire view is broken.
greenspan_fan: how so?
mircea_popescu: pretty much every which way.
greenspan_fan: tell me, and I'll strive to correct it, insofar as such is possible
mircea_popescu: for instance, there are people right here working for me as we speak and probably reading this. i have no fucking idea where their working for me is going,
mircea_popescu: and i don't particularly care.
mircea_popescu: wherever it ends up youl
mircea_popescu: l expost facto call it "a revolution"
mircea_popescu: and predicate a retrospective causality that never existed.
greenspan_fan: maybe it was an overdramatic example
greenspan_fan: (to make an analogy w/ physics once again) leadership is like a drift velocity for particles undergoing brownian motion
mircea_popescu: no, it's not
mircea_popescu: because particles are a piss poor stand-in for people.
greenspan_fan: it's an analogy
mircea_popescu: well it's a degeneratology at best.
greenspan_fan: obviously people have their own directions and goals etc.
mircea_popescu: well so then ?!
mircea_popescu: "suppose this brick is a boat. obviously actual boats actually float, but nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: see how the brick sinks ?"
greenspan_fan: but that can be biased (and occasionally is) by the people around them; those they look up to, those they get paid by, people on the news, etc.
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mircea_popescu: so you like to think.
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as you don't draw any inference from it, you may continue to think so.
greenspan_fan: so I have observed
greenspan_fan: to bring it back to my understanding of TLP's point, it's that society's "power" (in some loosely defined sense) is distributed according to a power law
greenspan_fan: and in fact, it's a decent enough model
mircea_popescu: statistically.
mircea_popescu: once you try to particularize it it breaks down
greenspan_fan: the people with the most influence are either those w/ the most resources themselves, or those who can mobilize the resources of lots of other people
greenspan_fan: to a first approximation, more or less
mircea_popescu: i see no value in this approximation.
mircea_popescu: it's about as good as holy water.
greenspan_fan: yet you seem to draw the same conclusions that it does
mircea_popescu: max keiser was not actually able to create an altcoin as successful as tat's.
mircea_popescu: philippe egalite didn't end up the head of the french republic. napoleon did.
Duffer1: define success - he successfully scammed a lot of people, TaT didn't
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 kinda dubious anyone other than him actually paid it any mind.
greenspan_fan: And wasn't it barras who was jockeying for position w/ napoleon?
Duffer1: bagholders have been cryin about it for days on mcxnow
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you could make a list of 1k names, but the point remains, the king's cousin was actually placed well enough to displace the monarchy.
wbaw: and didn't napoleon lose?
greenspan_fan: But of course Napoleon won because he was an extremely effective leader of a particularly important part of society
mircea_popescu: which he did.
greenspan_fan: not til 1815
greenspan_fan: that's like 20 years of reshaping europe right there
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan do you understand the difference between saying "she fucked me because she loves me" in the morning vs saying "she will fuck me because she loves me" in the evening ?
wbaw: there have been longer lived empires
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greenspan_fan: wbaw but he was one corsican nobody! that's what was spectacular about it
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu one's a prediction, one's a post-hoc explanation?
mircea_popescu: she maybe fucked you because she was drunk, or because she was getting desperate, or for any reason.
mircea_popescu: but these are reasons.
mircea_popescu: she will fuck you for a cause, whatever it may be, even if it is drunkedness or desperation.
greenspan_fan: stipulated
mircea_popescu: but causes and reasons never met and never will meet.
greenspan_fan: "I can calculate the movements of the stars and planets, but not the madness of men"
mircea_popescu: right. the foremost fallacy bred into children by a slappy introduction of the scientific method
mircea_popescu: is the equivocation between causes and reasons. causality only exists in prospect.
mircea_popescu: there's no retrospective causality, retrospectively speaking all you have are explanations.
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu I don't really understand that, though. Are you saying that human decisions are too complicated to analyze after the fact?
mircea_popescu: humanity doesn't enter into it.
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greenspan_fan: But if I say "she fucked me because she loved me", and proceed to test that hypothesis, do I not either increase or decrease my confidence in it?
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mircea_popescu: so what of it ?
greenspan_fan: then causes and reasons can meet?
mircea_popescu: in your confidence ?
mircea_popescu: any nonsense can meet in your head, that doesn't matter all that much.
greenspan_fan: but I can model it using math
mircea_popescu: you could probably have portia de rossi meet jesus if you strain a little.
mircea_popescu: math can be used to any purpose
mircea_popescu: that's what makes it so useful.
greenspan_fan: this just seems like you're recapitulating bishop berkeley
greenspan_fan: that reality only exists in the minds of the observers
mircea_popescu: i never said that.
mircea_popescu: apparently you came up with it trying to cope ?
greenspan_fan: no, I am trying to understand
mircea_popescu: im not saying reality doesn't exist. surely, it does.
greenspan_fan: if you get me to change my mind, I learn something new. Only upside here for me. I'm just trying to understand what your contentions are.
mircea_popescu: all i'm saying is that you don't really have the priviledged relationship to it you readily grant yourself.
mircea_popescu: sure, you may model a power law, which will be correct
greenspan_fan: yes, stipulated
mircea_popescu: you then proceed to flatter yourself in supposing you can identify the elements in that power law
mircea_popescu: this is a little rich.
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greenspan_fan: again, I agree
greenspan_fan: but at some point we have to make an approximation because otherwise it's impossible to act
mircea_popescu: so don't act.
mircea_popescu: what, am i askin you to act /
mircea_popescu: you mean "it's impossible to act while maintaining the pomp of my pretense". surely, it is.
greenspan_fan: I am not sure how you can live if you don't try to understand the world around you
mircea_popescu: this'd be more of the berkely approach. who said i don't try ?
greenspan_fan: if your understanding is imperfect (which it generally is), you still need to interact with your environment to test/improve it
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
greenspan_fan: and so my reading of TLP allows me to make predictions, which are tested by observing the outcome of events
mircea_popescu: so you say.
greenspan_fan: yeah, but assume that I'm not just some internet troll who'll say anything to win an argument
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mircea_popescu: kind-of besides the point.
mircea_popescu: you still don't have that sort of privileged relationship with reality that'd allow you to turn an is into a should.
greenspan_fan: not in an "ought to" sense, no
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mircea_popescu: well what is a prediction ?
mircea_popescu: "if my calculations are correct, her knees ought to be parting right about now"
greenspan_fan: nothing so formal as that
mircea_popescu: informality doesn't rescue much here.
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mircea_popescu: sure, a group will be described by a power law. and in that group a subgroup will pretend identification with the power law's peak.
greenspan_fan: of course
mircea_popescu: some subgroup of the subgroup will impose that and in so doing it'll become history
mircea_popescu: and retrospectively, the "correct prediction"
greenspan_fan: yeah, history is flawed that way
mircea_popescu: this doesn't change the fact that all the other subgroups of the subgroup each had their own pipe dreams
mircea_popescu: as far as a sufficiently entrenched glbse "investor" idiot is concerned, i just got lucky
mircea_popescu: or in fact, i don't even exist.
greenspan_fan: no, you didn't
mircea_popescu: @twobitidiot honestly believes he's a sort of snowden, having leaked important mtgox shit
greenspan_fan: you made a prediction that incompetence will lead to failure
mircea_popescu: which had been published months and months ago, but nevertheless.
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mircea_popescu: you can't really go from one to the other.
greenspan_fan: wasn't that the basis of your predicting mt gox's failure, though?
mike_c: he didn't predict it, he announced it :)
mircea_popescu: we don't know, i never disclosed any basis,
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mircea_popescu: and if i had, we wouldn't know if the disclosure was complete,
mircea_popescu: and so on.
mircea_popescu: but in any sort of scientific sense i made no prediction. people even today object to this approach
mircea_popescu: "Any actual evidence that they have this magic “unlimited selftrading account”? I’m sure a lot of people would like to see it if it does indeed exist.."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.005 = 4 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "I’m sure a lot of people would like free icecream, too. And free coffee, even to the degree of queing for an hour to get it. And whatever else. So what of it ?"
mircea_popescu: "What of it? People who don’t know MtGox won’t buy this story as long as you provide zero evidence to back it up, that’s what of it."
mircea_popescu: that was... the 14th
thestringpuller: you made the claim of MtGox operating on fractional reserve awhile back...
thestringpuller: and the self trading account
greenspan_fan: so, assuming that wasn't all insider information
mircea_popescu: well why wouldn't it be ? maybe it was. maybe i can read the future in uvulas.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact a perfect embodiment of your problem for your convenience :
mircea_popescu: you can't in fact establish what it was.
thestringpuller: i think it's more of how a doctor operates
greenspan_fan: then your prediction was based on matching a pattern of red flags which have historically had certain outcomes
mircea_popescu: and similarly as you can't here, you generally can't anywhere else.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu saw the symptoms and made a diagnosis
greenspan_fan: exactly
mircea_popescu: sure greenspan_fan you can think whatever you wish. but that doesn't resolve your decidability dilemma.
thestringpuller: you mean trilema :)
greenspan_fan: which dilemma?
mircea_popescu: well it's pluriform.
greenspan_fan: for instance, I predict altcoin is more likely to succeed than other, uh, altcoins because it does things "better" than others and is backed by people who are credible and talented
mircea_popescu: so what if it does ?
mircea_popescu: succeed, i mean.
thestringpuller: signal vs noise
greenspan_fan: nothing, that's just my prediction
mircea_popescu: you'll look back and go... well i guess the prediction came through. now what ?
greenspan_fan: insofar as I can't sample all possible histories after the fact
thestringpuller: you don't need to if you operate on valid information
greenspan_fan: I don't know whether my reasoning was correct or if other factors decided things
thestringpuller: if you operate on noise you're just a lemming
mircea_popescu: so yeah, the summa of this thing is that hard rational positions melt away under examination.
mircea_popescu: which is a cognate of both why regulation can't resolve market problems and why "self enforcing contracts" are nonsense.
thestringpuller: "self enforcing" lol
mircea_popescu: and further a cognate of quite catholic notions of divinity.
greenspan_fan: but if I make predictions based on similar lines of reasoning, then the meta-level model is tested
mircea_popescu: suppose there's S.LAUGHING, a stock.
mircea_popescu: suppose each day it increases x%
mircea_popescu: you verify this theory until you're bored.
mircea_popescu: now what ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 686 @ 0.00483133 = 3.3143 BTC [-] {10}
greenspan_fan: if I have reasons to believe it will increase day over day by a certain percent
greenspan_fan: and I am confident in my reasoning
greenspan_fan: then I should buy it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 351 @ 0.00481433 = 1.6898 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: so you should buy it.
asciilifeform: consult S.CRYING futures, they tell... the future.
mircea_popescu: do you actually buy it just because you should ?
mircea_popescu: yeah well... i don't.
greenspan_fan: why not?
mircea_popescu: cause i have to also feel like it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00473674 = 0.8005 BTC [-] {9}
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu needs to be attracted to the stock
greenspan_fan: why wouldn't you feel like it?
mircea_popescu: how would i know ?
thestringpuller: it has to give him a few blowjobs, tell him he's pretty
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, how would you.
greenspan_fan: take him out to dinner before hand...
mircea_popescu: but these are all of the nature of the x% you realise.
mircea_popescu: pirate can pay 7% a week untill he falls over.
mircea_popescu: for all i care.
greenspan_fan: yes, certainly
mircea_popescu: well lol.
mircea_popescu: Untermyer: Is not commercial credit based primarily upon money or property?
mircea_popescu: Morgan: No, sir. The first thing is character.
mircea_popescu: Untermyer: Before money or property?
mircea_popescu: Morgan: Before money or anything else.
greenspan_fan: I fit that into my reasoning, though
thestringpuller: greenspan_fan do you know who Nate Silver is?
mircea_popescu: so you say. maybe you do. maybe, however, you don;t.
greenspan_fan: thestringpuller yep, reading his book at the moment
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu yes, but I'm reasoning based on the assumption that my process might be perfect
mircea_popescu: right-o. thatd be the problem we've been discussing.
greenspan_fan: which might be the "feeling" you're talking about?
mircea_popescu: you excused this untenable presumption on the grounds that your high expectations of yourself would otherwise paralyze you,
mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with a cunt that's not properly bred according to the customs of your class
mircea_popescu: and who maybe doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language.
mircea_popescu: your process is not going to be perfect, and the representation that it is makes no sense.
greenspan_fan: yeah I wasn't arguing based on that
mircea_popescu: you slide in and out of it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: should you find yourself alone with... doesn't even - horror of horrors - speak your language << might as well put him alone on a nuke sub with overheating reactor
mircea_popescu: but why be mean.
greenspan_fan: just that since 100% certainty is provably impossible, there's a point at which acting according to my understanding of the scenario is better then not
greenspan_fan: even if my understanding is flawed
asciilifeform: (there was a great robert sheckley story about folks who were paid to be knocked out and put on a nosediving plane, sinking ship, etc. and filmed as they try to wiggle their way out of odd situations)
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan what does "better" mean ? your mommy would approve ?
greenspan_fan: asciilifeform added to my reading list, thanks
greenspan_fan: no, there's a bit of meta-modelling here
mircea_popescu: you perceive a distinction between this meta-modelling and your mommy ? what would it be ?
greenspan_fan: well, for instance, I don't know my mom haha
mircea_popescu: what, you're a romanian orphan too ?!
greenspan_fan: but at some point it gets back to a sort of cogito ergo sum being the only axiom you can trust
mircea_popescu: you can't trust anything, get real.
greenspan_fan: not a fan of descartes?
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mircea_popescu: it's a fiction, this. "i think". pray tell, what do you think.
mircea_popescu: i'm a great fan of descartes, just, not ready to marry him.
greenspan_fan: consciousness is an illusion is a possibility
mircea_popescu: the cogito goes as proof of existence, it's abused to all hell by people who lack the context to understand what's being said.
mircea_popescu: these days it's used as a sort of chip-n-dip
greenspan_fan: the argument was, I think, that even if he were a brain in a vat (or being tortured by demons, whatever), he could still claim to exist
mircea_popescu: but that does not extend to "and by this light make his decisions acceptable"
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greenspan_fan: sure. my contention is that alternative possibilities, like "I am not able to control my own actions" are in some sense unhelpful
mircea_popescu: but this is wildly different from what we were discussing
greenspan_fan: We treat the world around us are being "real" because perhaps it is
mircea_popescu: unless by "my own" you mean "1k random people i've chosen to represent as my own pebbles"
greenspan_fan: no that's not what I was saying initially
mircea_popescu: well, so you can control your own actions, provided you don't control their effects
mircea_popescu: or you can control their effects, provided you don't act at all.
mircea_popescu: this doesn't sound like making mommy too happy yet.
greenspan_fan: in the sense of reinterpretting the past
greenspan_fan: plz stop w/ the mom references, you're bumming me out
mircea_popescu: it's on some level unavoidable tho, because shoulds link into the superego.
greenspan_fan: yeah, it's difficult to avoid that semantic blurring
mircea_popescu: anyway : you'll never be able to have both a) agency and b) rationality.
mircea_popescu: either you act in the world, in which case you come to terms with imposing your arbitrarity upon it
greenspan_fan: I realize I have a typo in the above: "process might be IMperfect" **
mircea_popescu: or else you think of the world, in which case you come to terms with your own inexistence
mircea_popescu: in practical terms.
greenspan_fan: but to go back to the example of S.LAUGHING
greenspan_fan: if I have reasons to believe it will continue to increase, I should invest in it
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mircea_popescu: sure, you should.
greenspan_fan: this reasoning includes a sort of meta-level reasoning about whether or not the stock selection process is likely to be correct
mircea_popescu: you should also clean out your room, and the fridge, and eat healthier
mircea_popescu: and quit smoking.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27928 @ 0.00086459 = 24.1463 BTC [-] {2}
greenspan_fan: I do those things to the degree that it's the rational choice
mircea_popescu: or so you say
mircea_popescu: ie, so you represent it to yourself.
mircea_popescu: what's so rational about it ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00086217 = 11.4238 BTC [-] {2}
greenspan_fan: insofar as "attempting to act rationally" has benefits associated with it, and insofar as I understand how to do so
greenspan_fan: I'm not perfect, but I try to improve
mircea_popescu: so you should stop dieing then.
mircea_popescu: why dont you ?
greenspan_fan: glibly; I've succeeded so far, haven't I?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 72 @ 0.00498471 = 0.3589 BTC [-] {5}
greenspan_fan: and I am doing my best to postpone it
mircea_popescu: obviously, you're trying to improve on this too.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, i couldn't care less.
greenspan_fan: you don't care if you live or die?
mircea_popescu: not really.
greenspan_fan: why not?
mircea_popescu: uh. what, i got the burden of the negative now ?!
greenspan_fan: I am just curious
mircea_popescu: i suppose to some degree, at the level of a challenge, as in, some schmuck pulls a gun and i blow his head off
mircea_popescu: not out of anything than the holy "if you give this nimrod 1500 i'll kill him on general principle"
mircea_popescu: but other than that... what difference does it make ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 274 @ 0.0055 = 1.507 BTC
greenspan_fan: but being alive is clearly awesome
mircea_popescu: i never heard the dead complain.
mircea_popescu: you ever been on these new social media things they have ?
greenspan_fan: is there one for the afterlife now, too?
mircea_popescu: lol, now there's some revolutionizng and disrupting in a tang package
greenspan_fan: I heard facebook was trying to get into that space vis. dead friends still posting links to ads...
mircea_popescu: just add vc-water.
greenspan_fan: man that's another great y-combinator startup right there
mircea_popescu: so how much are you paying me not to kill you ?
mircea_popescu: seeing how it's clearly awesome and whatnot, stands to reason it should be worth something to you.
greenspan_fan: I'm from the NSA man, you can't touch me
mircea_popescu: how much can i get off you for your own life ?
greenspan_fan: it's worth more than everything in the world, yet by symmetry any transaction's balanced out by whatever you're paying me not to kill you
mircea_popescu: mebbe you presume a little there :)
mircea_popescu: i ain't payin' squat.
mircea_popescu: so now what ?
greenspan_fan: then this reduces to some sort of weird pascal's wager like scenario
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan it just reduces to yet another faced of your rationality dilemma.
greenspan_fan: yeah, I am just wondering what your alternative to rationality is?
ozbot: Yellen on Bitcoin: Fed Doesn’t Have Authority to Regulate It in Any Way - MoneyBeat - WSJ
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00499995 = 0.2 BTC [-]
nubbins`: Diablo-D3, lel
mircea_popescu: cypherc you know you're like the 5th with that link
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know, being a man.
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
greenspan_fan: sorry I was making that
nubbins` facepalms
greenspan_fan: but "being a man" is totally begging the question
nubbins`: you know that's not a japanese starbucks, yes?
mircea_popescu: of course.
mircea_popescu: wtf is untap
greenspan_fan: but it was the only one I could find
greenspan_fan: unfortunately it's korean
nubbins`: some M:TG shit
nubbins`: greenspan_fan: i've actually been in that starbucks
mircea_popescu: lol you're the guy with the beard ?
ThickAsThieves: you tap a card to attack or use its tap ability
nubbins`: it's one of, if not the only, starbucks in the world that doesn't have "STARBUCKS COFFEE" written on the outside
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan you know how mothers tend to end coversations with "because i say so, that's why!" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00086735 = 12.2296 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: mp, not anymore ;(
mircea_popescu: well... that'd be them being a man.
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu no I don't, see above
mircea_popescu: i know ;/
mircea_popescu: what the fuck am i going to do here.
greenspan_fan: ass haha
cypherc: sorry havent seen it before
mircea_popescu: cypherc log's your friend :)
nubbins`: it does, however, say SU-TA-BUK-SU KEO-PI
nubbins`: which is admittedly pretty close.
mircea_popescu: keopi ? srsly ?
nubbins`: there's no F or V in korean
greenspan_fan: it seems to me that you're implicitly truncating the process of trying to evaluate the world
greenspan_fan: ok, that I can agree with
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how to they fuck without vaginas ?
mircea_popescu: greenspan_fan agree with alexander, he invented it.
greenspan_fan: I think they're slanted? that's what my dad said
ozbot: Yes, You Too Can Be an Evil Network Overlord With OpenBSD - Slashdot
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, by calling it a buigina
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.0050005 = 0.24 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "she's got bulgarians in her buigina"
nubbins`: DVD = dee buee dee
greenspan_fan: mircea_popescu but I'm cutting the knot knowing that it's not the complete solution, but at some point you just have to do things
greenspan_fan: so we're in agreement?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0053 = 0.1007 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: mebbe so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.059 = 0.177 BTC [+]
greenspan_fan: in gratitude for this interesting discussion, I've decided to spread your fame to the r/bitcoin subreddit
ozbot: Mt. Gox, Legendary Land : Bitcoin
greenspan_fan: check the username
mircea_popescu: pankkake'll be proud
mircea_popescu: anyway, enough excitement for one day. catch you all tomorrow!
dexX7: cya
kakobrekla: hey but the clock amount is still low!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00509995 = 0.1887 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19250 @ 0.00086678 = 16.6855 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >>You may want to inform your server guy to BLOCK all traffic coming from referrer getgoxed.com
kakobrekla: ( someone did a redirect to kraken.com )
kakobrekla: the guy doesnt know they squated it themselves
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00086134 = 8.8287 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.0051 = 0.1326 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 23 @ 0.005278 = 0.1214 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.55996666 = 1.6799 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24400 @ 0.00086083 = 21.0043 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.56166666 = 1.685 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 21 @ 0.005334 = 0.112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11730696 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.565 = 1.695 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.566 = 1.132 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 996 @ 0.00504809 = 5.0279 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 17 @ 0.10461764 = 1.7785 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 93 @ 0.00524996 = 0.4882 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: ;;calc 21.0043 + 8.8287
gribble: 29.833
benkay: ;;calc .1326 + .1214 + 1.6799 + 1.685 + 0.112 + 0.11730696 + 1.695 + 1.132 + 5.0279 + 1.7785 + 0.4882 + 29.833
gribble: 43.80280696
benkay: ;;calc 29.833 / 43.80280699
gribble: 0.681075073723
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00085997 = 11.8676 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.56616665 = 5.0955 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00527113 = 0.1107 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: ;;calc (29.833 + 11.876) / (43.80280699 + 11.876 + 5.0955 + 0.57 + 0.1107)
gribble: 0.678691648457
benkay: dat mpoe
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 56 @ 0.00527776 = 0.2956 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00527797 = 0.4856 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00527797 = 0.6334 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00507026 = 0.2028 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 91 @ 0.00507026 = 0.4614 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00086488 = 12.8867 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.57412999 = 8.6119 BTC [+] {6}
ThickAsThieves: why is TF's btc addy making weekly payments to people? https://blockchain.info/address/1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7786 @ 0.00017139 = 1.3344 BTC [-] {24}
BingoBoingo: That is a very good question ThickAsThieves
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02139899 = 0.1498 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.57637499 = 11.5275 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 66 @ 0.0055 = 0.363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.58 = 1.16 BTC [+]
benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu the multiwallets are coming out of the woodwork... https://github.com/coinpunk/kongbucks
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ThickAsThieves: was looking for connections to Deprived / TF
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1300 @ 0.00018497 = 0.2405 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00525999 = 0.1736 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: benkay: browser-based wallet. because spammers need to eat, too.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00086304 = 7.2064 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: They might exist? I dunno of any communications from TF this year. Maybe moiety would have some information?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00537997 = 0.8124 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0053399 = 0.1068 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00537996 = 0.4842 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 82 @ 0.00537997 = 0.4412 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 293 @ 0.00537996 = 1.5763 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 126 @ 0.00537997 = 0.6779 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00534 = 0.4112 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 354 @ 0.0053684 = 1.9004 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.57999998 = 4.64 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 186 @ 0.00537997 = 1.0007 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00537997 = 0.1829 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19050 @ 0.00086204 = 16.4219 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 22 @ 0.5790909 = 12.74 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00547113 = 1.6413 BTC [+] {4}
precrime3: hi, i was invited to come here, topic can be seen here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=491115.0;topicseen
ozbot: North Korean defector fights Pyongyang with thumbdrive-laden balloons | Ars Technica
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.104 = 0.312 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: precrime didnt last long
kakobrekla: i guess he just went to plain crime
twizt: precrime3
twizt: rofl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.11730918 = 0.5865 BTC [+]
Chris_Sabian: I have a transcation that I sent out almost 5 hours ago and it is still unconfirmed. broadcast through 99 nodes. miners fee of 0.0005 sent. any idea of why it is taking so long?
BingoBoingo: Chris_Sabian: Piss off any people who run pools?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05800082 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
Diablo-D3: fee too low?
Chris_Sabian: fee should be ok
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00554955 = 0.3385 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 95 @ 0.00537995 = 0.5111 BTC [+] {2}
ninjashogun: anyone interested in startups here?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ozbot: Baby got Scheme
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32308 @ 0.00086534 = 27.9574 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16915 @ 0.00086346 = 14.6054 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Hello nubbins`
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.58100019 = 5.81 BTC [+] {2}
Chris_Sabian: i found a solution to the stcuk transcation in bitcoinqt : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=483564.msg5328360#msg5328360
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 168 @ 0.00555 = 0.9324 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00561025 = 0.2188 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.005645 = 0.5645 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05801 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.058 = 0.116 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.105 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00537995 = 0.4788 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00520099 = 1.8203 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.0057 = 0.1653 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0056925 = 0.2277 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58100019 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 44 @ 0.58590347 = 25.7798 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.591 = 1.773 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: you really want a lambo?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34850 @ 0.00086186 = 30.0358 BTC [-] {2}
cazalla: i was going to buy a toyota 86 but decided to keep driving my shit box until it goes no more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.592625 = 4.741 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 25 @ 0.005601 = 0.14 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.59499998 = 10.115 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.59598917 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, I prefer my Saturn. I just thing the diving suit would be fun.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 37 @ 0.00534999 = 0.1979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00569 = 0.1138 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0057 = 0.285 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.59675833 = 3.5805 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 584.94, vol: 15642.56806355 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 568.894, vol: 14217.12556 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 586.25, vol: 11373.50354135 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 604.9, vol: 53.79227123 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 578.43415, vol: 6348.48000000 | Volume-weighted last average: 579.619232199
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.59711 = 2.3884 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 23 @ 0.59884564 = 13.7734 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 36 @ 0.0057 = 0.2052 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.00576032 = 0.3687 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00506117 = 2.5306 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 27 @ 0.59995554 = 16.1988 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6020002 = 4.214 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.618666 = 1.856 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.61999887 = 6.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00086184 = 6.6362 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 64 @ 0.005799 = 0.3711 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.6104 = 3.052 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61 = 3.66 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61 = 2.44 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61 = 1.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00086184 = 17.1075 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 31 @ 0.6257061 = 19.3969 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.63854286 = 17.8792 BTC [+] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 102 @ 0.005799 = 0.5915 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.61001666 = 3.6601 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: !t m s.mg
assbot: [MPEX:S.MG] 1D: 0.000149 / 0.000149 / 0.000149 (160 shares, 0.02 BTC), 7D: 0.000138 / 0.00013949 / 0.000149 (1180 shares, 0.16 BTC), 30D: 0.00010001 / 0.00011616 / 0.000149 (5030 shares, 0.58 BTC)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00500341 = 2.5017 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00519999 = 0.182 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.643975 = 2.5759 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00086184 = 3.6197 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.005798 = 0.1102 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.61001 = 1.22 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.005799 = 0.2494 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6469 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.0058 = 0.464 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0058 = 0.116 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.0050008 = 0.7251 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.6469 = 2.5876 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.0008618 = 3.7057 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00581503 = 0.2908 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00086257 = 8.3669 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.0050008 = 0.3701 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1066 = 0.2132 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Crimea 2 Electric Boogaloo has been submitted to BitBet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.00590674 = 0.3898 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.057375 = 0.2295 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.1066 = 0.3198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.1066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61275025 = 2.451 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Yalta actually seems like a really nice place to have a summer house
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.64483333 = 1.9345 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: educational:
ozbot: Why you shouldn't trust your VPS provider | gcr's journal
asciilifeform: (the 'what' is obvious to an alert reader. the 'how' is the subject of the linked piece.)
BingoBoingo: That is an interesting and surprisingly easy how to
asciilifeform: if the rabbit is in the hat, you can pull it out of the hat.
asciilifeform: and you needn't be a magician.
BingoBoingo: Well cold as it is this time of year, generally you can dig rabbit, minimal pulling required
BingoBoingo: So ##mtgox-statement is a lulzy channel of the moment
diametric: I've been lulzing at ##mtgox-chat for weeks
diametric: especially the guy that dropped like $5k on goxbtc through bb
asciilifeform: diametric: is there a public log?
diametric: not that i'm aware of
diametric: the latest trend is that Mark is under a gag order
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not in ##mtgox-statement either
asciilifeform: oh well
diametric: and that he tried to slip that message in the IRC interview by posting a 9gag image and specifically mentioning 9gag when he linked the url
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Join, log, have lulz to dump later
diametric: I'm waiting for Mark is actually a reptilian alien
asciilifeform: '9gag' ? sounds like the kind of delaying tactic the man is famous for.
diametric: well, it was laughable
diametric: and then Circle.com got one too
BingoBoingo: This is the internet, everything is messy
asciilifeform: what the hell is circle.com
asciilifeform: the site itself isn't very informative...
diametric: no idea
BingoBoingo: circle is a vaporware
BingoBoingo: In true siliconvalley tradition
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52425 @ 0.00086453 = 45.323 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Where's pankkake when you need him?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00490001 = 0.98 BTC [-]
the20year: isn't mircea here ?
BingoBoingo: the20year: It is his bedtime for the week
BingoBoingo: He only does this maybe twice a week, let him rest.
the20year: I know it doesn't make a difference to any of you, but I managed to come up with a mobile lighting solution for doing video inside the dumps we're buying
BingoBoingo: the20year: That actually sounds more interesting than the part where you buy dumps
BingoBoingo: Anyone in this channel remember the user midnightmagic ???
BingoBoingo: Seriously ##mtgox-statement is quite a lulzmine
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00086576 = 4.5885 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.60013749 = 4.8011 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: Oh, so many lulz
ozbot: Putin #11187 by kockluvr - PutinGayDressup.com
ozbot: dpaste: #1668338
MisterE: the font page is down but internal links still work
BingoBoingo: Seriously lulzy channel for people needing circuses
decimation: ascii what kind of fool would believe they have any security when someone else controls the hardware?
decimation: although that's a neat how-to manual
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.629 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Anyone here have favorite chapter's of Handel's Messiah?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62999999 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.635 = 1.27 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: Part 2 has the Hallelujah chorus right?
decimation: Bingo surely the winklevii didn't keep their coins on Gox right?
BingoBoingo: decimation: Th winkelviie and Secondmarket may have Gox losses
BingoBoingo: decimation: The Messiah has 53 pieces, #44 is the Hallelujah chorus
asciilifeform: decimation: what kind of fool would believe... << quite a few people. ask them, not me.
asciilifeform: the fact that the bits on a disk belong to the fellow with the keys to the room is somehow lost on them.
BingoBoingo: I totally shouldn't have drank before writing this upcoming blog post.
BingoBoingo: I can't try to read a part in this god damned score without singing it to proofread my alterations.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00555001 = 0.1443 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, I'm just adapting No. 44 to blog
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00499999 = 0.13 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05456666 = 0.4911 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05073333 = 0.4566 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00086499 = 15.2238 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: No. 44 Chorus | Bingo Blog
decimation: Lol Bingo. Except Gox isn't gone, it's horde resides in stronger hands?
BingoBoingo: decimation: As far as I can tell its horde is lost to Derp and Herp
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
decimation: so you buy the 'lost key' story
asciilifeform: 1) open bank 2) 'lose' deposit boxes full of gold 'in the sea' 3) ??? 4) profit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 68 @ 0.0059349 = 0.4036 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: why would anyone believe the 'lost key' yarn
BingoBoingo: I've seen Ghostbusters, the Keymaster always does alright. Even if herp and derp don't
BingoBoingo: Herp and Derp have to lose their coin somehow.
decimation: well, do we believe the 'we forgot to check if the transactions were actually valid' yarn?
decimation: I'm not sure which one is more fantastic
asciilifeform: imho, MP's version is the most plausible one so far.
BingoBoingo: decimation: For a couple of weeks that was allowable, but only as a "most charitable reading which would still leave them insolvent"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18600 @ 0.00086314 = 16.0544 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: They see /me trollin' THey hatin'
the20year: which version?
BingoBoingo: the20year: April 2013
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 350 @ 0.0059565 = 2.0848 BTC [+] {17}
decimation: So apparently MP thinks the whole thing was an insider scam run mostly be Vessenes. It's sad that the early history of bitcoin occulted by such villainy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 49 @ 0.005 = 0.245 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: decimation: He probably isn't wrong. People need to see the retard spewing from ##mtgox-statement
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.606 = 1.818 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00086563 = 7.6608 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 464 @ 0.00497455 = 2.3082 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.107 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.1071 = 0.6426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28850 @ 0.00086314 = 24.9016 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18078 @ 0.00086291 = 15.5997 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.1173 = 0.5865 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1173 BTC [-]
ozbot: The $12 Gongkai Phone « bunnie's blog
asciilifeform: benkay: famous
asciilifeform: benkay: also it 'cheats' by being 'by chinese, for chinese' - none of that paying royalties for 'arm' nonsense, etc.
benkay: how much does that run?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 102 @ 0.00316001 = 0.3223 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i haven't the exact figures, but the actual (physical) unit cost for most ICs is very small.
asciilifeform: as in, what it'd cost to produce it given that you're china or ussr and piss on copyrights/patents
asciilifeform: now, the very educational question of why you cannot easily buy this phone in u.s.
asciilifeform: it isn't so much that it uses 'too many' pirated bits, but the price point per se
asciilifeform: if you try to bring a crate of these to u.s., germany, etc. it will be confiscated at customs.
asciilifeform: just as soviet pdp-11s would've been, if anyone had wanted them.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00086248 = 6.0374 BTC [-]
benkay: isn't it rather the fear of being found at customs rather than the actual searches?
dignork: asciilifeform what would be the excuse for confiscation? lack of certifications?
benkay: i actually have no idae
asciilifeform: dignork: patent/copyright.
asciilifeform: not immediately, understand
asciilifeform: but as soon as the western rights holders complain
asciilifeform: a photo will be added to the handy binder customs officials keep
asciilifeform: this is how it typically works
asciilifeform: one can try to play 'whack-a-mole' (playing as the mole) with the customs, and some people do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00086248 = 8.8835 BTC [-]
dignork: makes sense really, free market (assuming it's free) still requires compatible systems of laws
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.004915 = 0.1966 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00499997 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4748 @ 0.00086278 = 4.0965 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 46 @ 0.00499997 = 0.23 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: i never understood why virtually every pocket widget used ARM, which is licensed by a monopoly, vs. MIPS, which is quite similar in purpose, and 100% free.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine most arm licensees practically throw away the ARM cores they paid for licenses to fab
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6501 @ 0.00086283 = 5.6093 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: What I want to know is now that MOPS based OpenRISC is very mature why can't I get a 4 ghz laptop with one of those.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8699 @ 0.00086244 = 7.5024 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: It is far from an ideal architecture, but...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: check out 'longsoon' co.
BingoBoingo: longsoon looses my interest with its sponsorship.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it being chinese?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I see no reason why chinese government should be more trustworthy than usg
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: so, which country are we to buy cpus in
asciilifeform: supply of soviet z80 clones is a non-renewable resource after all.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I imagine don't buy CPUs, but buy understood FPGAs and force them into an acceptable image
Mats_cd03: meow
BingoBoingo: Imma be disappointed if MP can't make a dungeo session bout this http://dpaste.com/1668650/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.0049 = 0.2695 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: incidentally, our old familiar friend, prosecutor Preet Bharara: http://cryptome.org/2014/02/love/usa-v-love.htm
BingoBoingo: Seriously how many "BTC Olds" were in the gox fold
BingoBoingo: I want to get a bird and name it Preet
Apocalyptic: dat Luke
Apocalyptic: doesn't surprise me tbh
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: In his case of course not.
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Of late your exchange hasn't exactly been reliable either
Apocalyptic: how so ?
asciilifeform: Bharara - because every century needs its Roland Freisler.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Every now and then t reverts to displaying stats from days earlier. Hard to describe
Apocalyptic: by "it" you mean the API ?
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: No, web interface
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is foolish to consider diddled cpus without having a picture of the actual possibilities in mind.
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, huh, doesn't seem likely to me
asciilifeform: so, for instance, chinese cpu waits for the phrase 'tiananmen satoshi goatfuck' and shorts power rail to ground if this appears in the cache.
asciilifeform: it is quite true that you cannot put this kind of trap in an fpga without making the whole thing look quite ridiculous even under an optical microscope.
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I haven't heard similar complaints so far
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: Do other people try to daytrade on web though.
asciilifeform: (fpga has no idea where the 'cache' will be on the fabric, or even that it will be configured as cpu rather than, say, decompressor)
asciilifeform: on the other hand, the 'listens for magic packet on radio, using power rail as antenna, and shorts power rail to ground when received' can be fit into any ic
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I mean SPARC T1 cores are open source. Unless lisp machine I see little reason to not them.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just describing some of the very different varieties of trap that can be set for a chip buyer
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I think mike_c does
asciilifeform: i had the T1 running on a board around here somewhere. it works.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. Tis why national govt chips are worth skipping when alternatives exist.
asciilifeform: my point was that you end up trusting a big fat american duopoly when using modern fpga.
asciilifeform: and that, while certain interesting classes of attack are impossible on an fpga,
BingoBoingo: K, that might be relevant
asciilifeform: it does not follow that nothing interesting can be done to the unsuspecting buyer
BingoBoingo: OMG Luke-Jr endorsed the MPEx model "<Luke-Jr> the last 2-3 years have demonstrated that people get scammed far more often on decentralised exchanges"
asciilifeform: incidentally, xilinx might as well be run out of ft. meade
asciilifeform: it does not automatically follow that one should not buy xilinx
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: As far as I can tell Khosala lives in Ft Meade
asciilifeform: just that you should understand the implications.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00086472 = 10.2037 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'voodoo' fear of 'ritually tainted' hardware is counterproductive.
BingoBoingo: Prolly
asciilifeform: semiconductor is not magic, isn't cursed, one can form reasonable hypothesis about enemy action.
BingoBoingo: I kinda want an Apple II GS, i bet that can entropy without frying.
asciilifeform: whereas if you operate on 'voodoo', you will happily buy treacherous hw from 'clean' people
asciilifeform: and feel 'clean'
asciilifeform: afaik none of the '80s micros included a reasonably useful entropy source, with the possible exception of the 'commodore-64'
asciilifeform: where the sound chip had a noise diode built in
Apocalyptic: interesting
BingoBoingo: The way to appear clean though is to cage the important machines and subcribe to Cable's sports package and have a lot of CRT TV's
BingoBoingo: Drownd useful SIGINT
BingoBoingo: With 'Murican football and baseball
asciilifeform: spectrum is a big place
asciilifeform: your cpu can be heard through the neighbourhood tvs just fine.
BingoBoingo: Of course, It's why you file antennas
asciilifeform: *through the noise of
dignork: asciilifeform: there was another approach at working with unsecure hardware, maybe it was mentioned here before: http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?EncryptedComputationEdited
BingoBoingo: Introducing noise as a reciever isn't too new
asciilifeform: dignork: homomorphic crypto came up here many times
asciilifeform: it is worth your while to read about who is interested in it, and why
asciilifeform: i doubt that you will like the answer.
BingoBoingo: So like, Luke-Jr Got really fucked by Gox, point and laugh???
copumpkin: why would you do that?
BitcoinKike: copumpkin: Why would I oppose the wrong kinds of fascism?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.11019668 = 5.5098 BTC [-] {11}
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