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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Very informative.
cads: I think I could see that the family of stopping times of a given process might let us create a filtration that other processes could be adapted to.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not sure if 'informative' is the word, but educational, perhaps.
cads: Oh, all processes have natural filtrations.
BingoBoingo: Well, one thing I remember vividly from undergrad is that the nepali students were some of the chillest people on campus, but woe unto the football player who took a fancy to a Nepali girl and was then introduced to a cricket bat.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.0058 = 0.435 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ;;rate MagicalTux -10 pathetic Judas Goat.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user MagicalTux has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: since i was digging records :
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all business operations pending a business model review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume operations in the future."
mircea_popescu: guess the venue.
BingoBoingo: Vircurex
BingoBoingo: Vircurex used AurumExchange for USD and EU deposits
mircea_popescu: was aurum but hey.
BingoBoingo: Well, AurumExchange was one of those liberty reserve outposts.
BingoBoingo: Bitpay was willing to pay into them so they at least had a bong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1169 @ 0.00573669 = 6.7062 BTC [-] {8}
MisterE: any of you get burned on your shorts yesterday?
MisterE: KRS1: I'm looking at you :p
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2500 @ 0.00084022 = 2.1006 BTC [-] {8}
asciilifeform: 'Effective immediately, we are discontinuing all breathing pending an atmospheric gas review. At this time we are unsure when, and if we will resume breathing in the future.'
asciilifeform: StercumExchange (tm)
MisterE: seems reasonable, it is a nuisance
MisterE: like bathing and food
ozbot: 3.130 billion | Next Diff in 429 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.9917% in 2d 8h 50m 18s
BingoBoingo: Everything is a nuisance nao.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.00584348 = 2.0744 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE: BingoBoingo: what you up to?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: Enjoying sweet Gox death and hoping for Slashot victory
MisterE: heh I guess that makes 2 of us
MisterE: and update on the /. front?
BingoBoingo: MisterE: I have this package of patented dense -assets knowledge sitting on orage and waiting http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00087927 = 13.8045 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2808 @ 0.0008788 = 2.4677 BTC [-]
ozbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U
mircea_popescu: if anyone sees anything missing...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6292 @ 0.00087803 = 5.5246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cads im not even sure.
mircea_popescu: perhaps brigher minds could advise.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 128 @ 0.00088929 = 0.1138 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.005879 = 0.294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008891 = 0.1778 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Seems thorough.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.132 BTC [+]
nubbins`: actually got eulora compiled! but forgot to install a ton of required crystalspace libraries... so didn't get much other than a white screen with "welcome to eulora 0.0.4"
nubbins`: but... progress
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wd!
mircea_popescu: i hear wiki too ?
BingoBoingo: The april 2013 trilema article on GOx is about to make slashdot frontpage.
nubbins`: yeah mike_c is sorting out hosting, i've got a saucy domain name reg'd
BingoBoingo: I mean unless @magicaltux does the manual sorting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 34 @ 0.0047 = 0.1598 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re your video : it made me think of this caragiale piece (playwright, 1800s) : http://www.ilcaragiale.eu/opere/momente_si_schite/intelectualii.html
mircea_popescu: " Sunt chelneri cari, dupa cat au prins pe apucate din dezbaterile si conferintele intelectualilor, pot face mart pe un profesor de universitate, mai ales daca l-or lua repede."
bitcoinpete: Howdy y'all
mircea_popescu: "there are waiters who, from all they've heard from conversations and debates of intellectuals, could put away a university professor, especially should they proceed quickly"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6675 @ 0.00087803 = 5.8609 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1673 @ 0.00018499 = 0.3095 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: mart specifically refers to the loss in backgammon when you lose without having taken out any of your own pieces.
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete heya
ozbot: Twitter / bobmcmillan: "Having Mt. Gox shut down is ...
bitcoinpete: Been a few, but I've been up on the logs
bitcoinpete: And I did that blog thing again
bitcoinpete: Perhaps also for noobs
BingoBoingo: Oh, link again?
ozbot: Matters of Merchant Adoption | When Bitcoin Met Pete
bitcoinpete: Hardly revelatory, but it's a reassessment of sorts of my previous notion that one should ever try to make "bitcoin more accessible"
bitcoinpete: Which was a strange mental default I had to correct
BingoBoingo: It is an important step forward though
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this probably wasn't the purpose of 'compendium of basic points...,' but now i'm marvelling over the ancient forum garbage
asciilifeform: did some chump really build a whatever-the-fuck with a set of leaked sources?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Can they build any other way?
asciilifeform: and if so, why weren't the obligatory logic bombs set off
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not advantageous enough yet?
asciilifeform: (or, are we to think that scammers write honest code)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes.
asciilifeform: and did all of this shit really go down, or was it a dream.
mircea_popescu: bitfinex (the thing which now is misreported as > 30% of the bitcoin average usd price)
mircea_popescu: is built out of taking the leaked bitcoinica sources and running them
mircea_popescu: they were (illegally) leaked by amir taaki, who in he process exposed sensitive passwords
mircea_popescu: which resulted in the 3rd theft from there
mircea_popescu: and in no case was he authorised to "make open source" the codebase
BingoBoingo: The mysterious antiques dealer
mircea_popescu: which is currently the only asset some new zealand executor has to try and repay the creditors
mircea_popescu: to the tune of i forged, but 10's of k's of btc
mircea_popescu: (mtgox also had some funds held "in escrow" from that debacle,
mircea_popescu: which it had been consistently refused to turn out to said executor)
mircea_popescu: for the obvious reasons.
BingoBoingo: At least New Zealand tries to earn the money back http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlcIKh6sBtc
asciilifeform: perhaps these folks belong in a large glass jar. where they are to feed upon one another, and the last one remaining to be extracted and will perhaps be good for something.
BingoBoingo: I dunno that I'd have made it out of a decent glass jar. I mean I initially came here from Bitcointalk
asciilifeform: not everyone into the jar. just them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason i always encourage people to read the history is quite this : endlessly fascinatingly amusing thing.
mircea_popescu: like a perpetual morning after. "did what ?!"
bitcoinpete: going to bubble tea, yup, bubble tea… be back
benkay: bubble tea
benkay: balls in your mouth
benkay: never figured that tone out
BingoBoingo: So many mistakes I could have made, but so much more money I could have had even losing to those mistakes
nubbins`: remember "orbits"?
BingoBoingo: The problem is a need for time machines
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fascinating, to a point. children playing with detcord.
BingoBoingo: Detcord isn't that bad
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00087922 = 8.6164 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: was the cribbed source even interesting in some way?
asciilifeform: or just the usual 'work is too much like work, let's crib it all'
nubbins`: "hey, why reinvent the wheel?"
asciilifeform: (this tale has me in an especially dour mood, given that not long ago i sent a once-promising client packing because he brought in a mountain of artlessly cribbed open source code.)
BingoBoingo: I am the wheel, you seriously don't want to deal with me. You need to reinvent me.
ozbot: A compendium of basic points about Bitcoin for the benefit of various confused noobs. pe Trilema - U
mircea_popescu: i am sloppy ;/.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cribbed source was interesting, yes, in the way of humor.
MisterE: what is cribbed in American?
mircea_popescu: have you read the leaked discussions about the historical operation of bitcoinica ?
mircea_popescu: it;s linked from the recent mtgox article, because it's the same pattern
mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: self trading at a loss << arse-mouth system.
asciilifeform: thermodynamically doomed
BingoBoingo: But Bitcoinica had relic hunterz!!!!
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ironically... relics ? scavenger world ? thermodynamically doomed ?
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is the core and the whole of nsa's value proposition : people sign, subtly, but definitely, what they do.
nubbins`: MisterE: baseball
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: indeed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00088029 = 11.7959 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: course in a sense nsa as it is stands in a relation to nsa-as-thus-described about roughly as that merry bunch of Meriwether's thieves stood with THEIR sensible value proposition
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Any sporting analogy is best as a baseball analogy, the greatest precision is there. Even if the metric is love of the cunts
mircea_popescu: as explained in http://trilema.com/2012/the-problem-of-too-much-money/ : "LTCM collected over one billion dollars in capital. If you’ve been following up to here you probably have a question in your mind : what in the world were they going to do with a billion of their own money ? Good question. The fund had access to heavy leverage, as high as 100:1 in many cases. One billion leveraged 100:1 means one hundred billio
mircea_popescu: n, and turn it any way you please there’s not going to be room for deplyoing a hundred billion in capital for the purpose of arbitraging minute differences between the 29 y T and the current T. There just can’t be.
mircea_popescu: So they started dicking around with stock options, betting on mergers, the works. "
mircea_popescu: basically, they had a good idea, got too much resources, fucked up.
asciilifeform: channelling herr naggum: 'It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.'
BingoBoingo: This is wy I bet on sporting events, I know I can lose.
BingoBoingo: puppies.txt
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete you should get into the wot and remind me to put you in the bloglist sometime.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell chatquack I put you in the WOT start blogging already
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: crystal space is a massive build
chetty: yeah CS is huge
mircea_popescu: it's been working out.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I am starting this baseball betting venture with one hundredth of a bitcoin. Remember that I can not help it if appreciation makes the logistics you dislike a reality.
Jere_Jones: I found building CS to be the easy part.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo, i'm pretty zen about most things
ozbot: BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will be above $150 on Mar 1st 2014
mircea_popescu: so that's a lock now.
nubbins`: Jere_Jones: easy, just takes so long
BingoBoingo: I wonder if Zhou tong ever itches?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the weighting is the best part
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well it's closed by now anyway
BingoBoingo: The right answer is obvious, but betting agaisnt it can't pay
nubbins`: thank fuck for macports, i wouldn't have gotten anywhere with apple's fork of LLVM
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you ever found the problem or just nonspecific kludge ?
nubbins`: never nailed it down, was easier to just install gcc-4.6 and use that
nubbins`: no sense trying to bring a totally different toolchain into the mix
mircea_popescu: not surprising.
ozbot: German Court decision: Legal authority and deep power implications | vox
mircea_popescu: germanz just ruled ecb may not act as lender of last resort.
mircea_popescu: "It’s tempting to dismiss the decision as incomprehensible legalese or the inability of justices to understand that contemporary financial systems rely on a powerful lender or dealer of last resort to weather financial crises."
mircea_popescu: " this is a bid for power and the return to the pre-crisis paradigm of "
mircea_popescu: basically the consensus of idiots in fiat is that somehow magically the laws of nature have been cancelled for the sake of convenience.
BingoBoingo: GO GO GADGET BITCOINSACHS
chetty: idiots think man can overrule nature with their 'laws'
KRS1: go go bait
KRS1: .bait
BingoBoingo: Depends on which laws and the context
BingoBoingo: On that last .bait I see tits, but there is also a screaming cyst that needs lanced and dranied
mircea_popescu: "Founder @dailymuse, YC alum, Inc 15 Women to Watch in Tech 2012, Advisor @hackbright, Productivity expert, Parisian, Former McKinsey, avid cyclist"
mircea_popescu: i wonder what the thought process is when some chick ends up putting on her 2 line resume "i was a X to watch in 2102"
mircea_popescu: doesn't the observation that "soo... if i had been watching you since 2012 i'd have seen nothing ?" come to them at all ?
mircea_popescu: are these people actually dumb ?
mircea_popescu: but i mean if you have two alcoholic bums sitting on a garbage dumpster somewhere
mircea_popescu: one who is nothing
mircea_popescu: and the other who is an alumni of "15 aluminum salesmen to watch in 2012"
mircea_popescu: wouldn't you say the 2nd is much worse a failure ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo where's the cyst ?
nubbins`: armpit? i think that's not a cyst
mircea_popescu: that's fat imo
BingoBoingo: Left armpit, the purple prominence
nubbins`: certainly not screaming
mircea_popescu: she's losing weight
mircea_popescu: its colored cause shaved irritation
nubbins`: i had a massive cyst on my back once
MisterE: mircea_popescu: ime most people are dumb until proven otherwise
MisterE: happens nubbins` thats not a bad lace
MisterE: place
nubbins`: when it finally got drained there was like a shot glass full of stuff pulled out of it
BingoBoingo: Maybe irritation, but definitely inflamed more than the prominence of the humerous calls for
MisterE: try in your groin or neck
MisterE: BingoBoingo: what's up I was a paramedic for 3-years
MisterE: in the US
ozbot: Twitter / CharlieShrem: Just created a #dogecoin wallet ...
mircea_popescu: lots and lots of further opportunities for maturity
MisterE: nubbins`: that's nothing, when I had to do my prctical training hours I helped to drain a lot of cysts and some produce by the liter
BingoBoingo: I dun want to fight credentials, but it look's like there are already two candidate sinuses
nubbins`: gross
nubbins`: such a smell, too
nubbins`: that shit attracts ticks
MisterE: it was indeed
MisterE: man you have no idea the smells of the human body
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38900 @ 0.00087874 = 34.183 BTC [-] {4}
MisterE: one of the worst run was a girl who accidentally blew half her boyfriend's head off with a .44 at a shooting range, was totally prepared for smell
MisterE: those 44s have a very soft pul
nubbins`: speaking of smells of the human body, one of my roommates took a shit this morning and left a streak on the toilet seat
MisterE: bastard
nubbins`: i know
BingoBoingo: 44's always have a soft pull
nubbins`: told him about it
MisterE: you should leave a streak on his pillow
nubbins`: he says "i don't think so... but i'll clean it when i get home from work"
MisterE: ok thats reasonable
nubbins`: as if we'd just leave it there for 10 hours
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how many roomates you got ?!
MisterE: he doesn't sound like a total jerk
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, wife and 2 others
nubbins`: they're rarely home. haven't seen one of them in 3 weeks
MisterE: lol I like how he incudes the wife
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so you live with silk road funder ?
MisterE: as if shecould be out for not paying rent :D
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: silk road 3.11 for workgroups
nubbins`: i think that's what it's at now?
mircea_popescu: something like that ya
nubbins`: MisterE: hey, she owns all the bitcoins
nubbins`: i might be the one out when they hit 5k ;D
MisterE: hehe
MisterE: trade up!
BingoBoingo: I honestly want to take bets on what would culture out of that cyst
nubbins`: we'll never know
MisterE: what a loss to science and society
MisterE: shame
BingoBoingo: I'd put some money on pseumonanas
mircea_popescu: pseudomonas ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is a long shot, but it fits the armpit environment well as a genus
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : pseudomonas putida is the first living thing that was "patented" according to the us courts.
mircea_popescu: lulziest shit ever.
MisterE: Stupid Harvard MBA is stupid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00087993 = 5.3676 BTC [+]
MisterE: sorry w/c
benkay: may the patenteers all find themselves impaled on golden spikes
BingoBoingo: I was kind of hoping someone would catch that
mircea_popescu: this thing is valuable because it can break down pretty much anything
mircea_popescu: it can live off caffeine. it can break down polystyrene
BingoBoingo: Much scarier than VRE for sure
mircea_popescu: generaly pseudomonas sp is a good bet for BingoBoingo's purposes cause they're pretty metabolically diverse.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: indeed any culture platter they can own enough to make their genetic markers known.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i'm to see you for a login account?
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ^ it worked :D
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu will do, ty
nubbins`: it picks up mouse clicks but not keyboard input -- but it's very late and i think i've earned a nap, will poke some more tomorrow
BingoBoingo: pseudomonas does indeed lead to some nasty opportunistic infections though
BingoBoingo: Of the sort where painting on Staph Aureus and hoping for the best seems like a sheat from heaven.
bitcoinpete: Do any of the -asseters live in Brussels or London by chance? I'm heading to Brussels tomorrow and London by the weekend. Have some free time
BingoBoingo: So... Maybe I should have tried for sunday night again on this. Slash mods are swfully flaky. http://slashdot.org/submission/3366357/mtgox-collapse-should-come-as-no-suprise
bitcoinpete: ;;ident [<bitcoinpete>]
gribble: Error: "<bitcoinpete>" is not a valid command.
bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is not identified.
bitcoinpete: for php registration is the "pgp long id" the fingerprint, key id, or something else…?
bitcoinpete: pgp* goodness
Duffer1: ;;eauth / ;;everify
Duffer1: is that what you're asking?
BingoBoingo: ;;puppies.txt
gribble: Error: "puppies.txt" is not a valid command.
bitcoinpete: ;;register too
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
bitcoinpete: ;;register bitcoinpete165749929F9A6BDD
gribble: (register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
bitcoinpete: ;;register bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD
gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:18734ee36446b6cc0398dc32a80c3bb1d3217aad8b2666f6ab017248
BingoBoingo: So.. Guess wht I found out this weekend.
Duffer1: what did you find out this weekend BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: I knew my apartment was shitty, but not like kill experts in shitty apartments kind of shitty
Duffer1: ya wow
BingoBoingo: Kind of makes me regret not taking the plaster off of the walls
BingoBoingo: Also, I used to like to park in those spots
Duffer1: reading about Counterparty atm
BingoBoingo: Cool, better not be that shitty faux coin version
Duffer1: the caliber of the assets assimilated blogs is impressive
Duffer1: it would be nice to see it mentioned in #bitcoin-assets Topic
BingoBoingo: assass is decent blog
bit14: what's going on with havelock
dexX7: assass?
ozbot: Assets Assimilated
BingoBoingo: bit14: No idea Maybe they are dying too?
dexX7: ty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22536 @ 0.00087782 = 19.7826 BTC [-] {2}
bitcoinpete: ;;eregister bitcoinpete 165749929F9A6BDD
gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/165749929F9A6BDD
mircea_popescu: 5th a cxharm huh
mircea_popescu: yeah assass in topic can't hurt anything.
bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:97d9f908fe5dc08ba4be74efe1b4430c5e68d071e34fbed3e1771a9d
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD
BingoBoingo: I still reload slashdot compulsively for the money
ozbot: People have made blogs pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: the sex any good at least ?
BingoBoingo: The sex was great
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.00087911 = 13.5383 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: i TA's for pharmacy school so undergrads were in bounds, other grad students were inbounds.
BingoBoingo: Just couldn't do the pharm students.
mircea_popescu: well that's why people live in shitholes.
mircea_popescu: the sex is great.
BingoBoingo: Which is kind of a shame cause this Jessie chick had great tits
BingoBoingo: OH, it was such a shithole, but not being from missouti made the sex so easy
bitcoinpete: ;;gettrust bitcoinpete
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net. Trust relationship from user bitcoinpete to user bitcoinpete: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=bitcoinpete&dest=bitcoinpete | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=bitcoinpete | Rated since: never
BingoBoingo: If that were a pharm student not quite one I'd get fired over, but still one I'd offer salt to to melt their ice
mircea_popescu: bit14 what do you mean ?
bitcoinpete: ty. only took 30 min lol
bit14: mircea_popescu: doar ca e picat https://www.havelockinvestments.com/ :)
BingoBoingo: bit14: Gospidine?
bit14: ->just that it's down
mircea_popescu: you know, just like every scammer to date.
mircea_popescu: bit14 lol se mai intimpla gen
bit14: have you seen the log
ozbot: My Conversation with Mark Karpeles of MtGox - Page 2 - WickedFire - Affiliate Marketing Forum - Int
mircea_popescu: soo nubs got eulora to compile on a mac.
bitcoinpete: off to brussels in the morning. cheers for now
mircea_popescu: i thought moiety was in london
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I thought moiety was in Glasgow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00088123 = 18.594 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28200 @ 0.00087825 = 24.7667 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00087764 = 8.2498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.0008852 = 2.4786 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Imma sleep soon
BingoBoingo: Slashdot has denied me for hours, but they cannot do so indefinitely
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00088277 = 4.0607 BTC [-]
bit14: havelock has been down for over 6 hours now, does this happen often?
bit14: I assume they didn't run and it's early AM in canada, but still
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14500 @ 0.00088406 = 12.8189 BTC [+]
cazalla: shrem seems to think that leaked document is legit
Duffer1: didn't shrem also think that gox was fundamentally sound and not insolvent?
cazalla: i think that was prior to that document leaking, latest episode of lets talk bitcoin has shrem on it, interesting listen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00088277 = 9.2691 BTC [-]
Namworld: Havelock isn't in Canada
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00088356 = 1.9438 BTC [+]
bit14: where is it?
wao-ender: that havellock database
wao-ender: "Database seems down. Sorry about that. We've been notified about the problem. Please try again later.
wao-ender: bit14: Panama afaik
ArsKisS: hmm
bit14: they're called the Panama fund I think, but I thought they were canadian
bit14: I might be wrong
Duffer1: they were based in canada during the acquisition, no idea if the principles/office/servers have moved though
bit14: Address:
bit14: The Panama Fund, S.A
bit14: Panama City
bit14: Republic of Panama
bit14: company could be registered there, but staff might be elsewhere
Duffer1: odd timing for server issues, i wonder if they held reserves at gox
bit14: it's 5am in panama, so maybe they're just asleep, crossing fingers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6724 @ 0.00088327 = 5.9391 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6152 @ 0.00088186 = 5.4252 BTC [-]
Namworld: The old owner, Topace, was Canadian I think. Now it moved. Where the staff is located, I do not know.
ozbot: View the profile of lightbox
bit14: looks like this guy was/is the owner
Namworld: yeah, he was. Known as Topace in IRC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10776 @ 0.00088192 = 9.5036 BTC [+]
ozbot: Tin cans filled with $10 million in gold coins found buried in California |
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11726 @ 0.0008852 = 10.3799 BTC [+]
ozbot: Choosing a Secure Password - Boing Boing
jurov: if i had doubts he's nsa shill, now i have none
davout: "A typical password consists of a root plus an appendage." <<< bwhahaha
davout: "http://boingboing.net/2014/02/25/choosing-a-secure-password.html schneier misses xkcd's point entirely" <<< yep, someone should teach him about entropy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0008835 = 9.3651 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: omg boingboing.net hurts my eyes, it also doesn't show any text on my android tablet
ThickAsThieves: (the yellow text black bg page)
Namworld: I have a mix of letters, numbers and special chars. Strangely enough, I don't seem to have a problem remembering most of them.
dexX7: i don't know my passwords and trust keepass
ThickAsThieves: i dont share hints to my password methods
Namworld: Saying your password is a random mix of characters doesn't help much. So it's not really a hint.
Namworld: You remove non-random stuff. You have less than 0.1% of possibilities eliminated. Congratulations. Still requires bruteforcing it.
ozbot: MtGox.com loading
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00088467 = 7.1658 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6700 @ 0.00088514 = 5.9304 BTC [+]
MisterE: wtf LTC went over 40 today?
dexX7: huh?
dexX7: ah
dexX7: nvm
Namworld: So many people think MtGox is Bitcoin.
ozbot: Bitcoin Transaction e6d4cfbbc45b5e3cfcfa36613b04a8732c7b4606f5dbbd8af3ba06d8f3899fc2
Duffer1: just imagine if blockchain.info goes down
Duffer1: the blockchain is down!1234
dexX7: luckily there is www.blockr.io now
Duffer1: ya saw that earlier
Duffer1: nice lookin site
adrrrr: dexX7: what are these vanity adress, I thought we can choose only few characters
dexX7: you don't need the privkey, simply send it to whateveraddress+checksum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44900 @ 0.00088224 = 39.6126 BTC [-] {4}
adrrrr: dexX7: so it will create the public key?
dexX7: what "it"?
dexX7: try to think of making a phonecall to a number that is not in use.. will work, right? even if you dial funny numbers?
adrrrr: "it" is the transaction
adrrrr: a phone number that is not in use will not even ring
adrrrr: right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15550 @ 0.00088331 = 13.7355 BTC [+]
bit14: looks like havelock is finally back up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22550 @ 0.00088502 = 19.9572 BTC [+] {5}
deadweasel: "Pretty much anything that can be remembered can be cracked." From Schneier piece.
adrrrr: yeah 24h we heard things about password ! thx
deadweasel: wtf are you on about, adrrrr ?
ozbot: MtGox Saga Continues - Update 25 Feb 2014 - YouTube
adrrrr: voila !
adrrrr: ;)
deadweasel: yeah 24h we heard things about mtgox ! thx
adrrrr: lol
adrrrr: deadweasel: Duuuhhh
adrrrr: you should watch it instead of mocking ;)
deadweasel: i don't even know what I just, I was just mirroring you.
deadweasel: missing word: said*
deadweasel mocks first, watches later
Bugpowder: SFW?
mircea_popescu: powered off kitten
Bugpowder: pretty SFW
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26098 @ 0.00088294 = 23.043 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: since when do you work anyway
Bugpowder: All the fucking time
mircea_popescu: well no i don't mean work in the sense of doing something useful
mircea_popescu: i mean work in the sense of being in a constrained space with a bunch of idiots where you gotta watch what's on your screen
mircea_popescu: ie, the exactly opposite of doing something useful.
ozbot: First contagious WiFi computer virus goes airborne | The Daily Caller
mircea_popescu: uh why'd a virus be specifically wifi
Bugpowder: I thought there was that virus that spreads via the speaker (or was that BS).
cazalla: the one that could jump airgapped systems?
cazalla: that was bs
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder that was bs.
mircea_popescu: darn beat to it
Bugpowder: It made no cents.
Bugpowder: I am really impressed with the level of optimism people are expressing towards Gox reopening. IMPRESSED. I hear there are 3 suitors vying for the right to purchase Mt. Gox's brand and 650,000 BTC debt.
mircea_popescu: take it as a measure of just how badly hurt the foundation scamnest is by this defeat in the field
mircea_popescu: rather than any direct statement of the future.
Bugpowder: HOPE
mircea_popescu: no, it's not hope, it's disbelief.
mircea_popescu: they rheally thought they're somebody worth something.
Bugpowder: Someone needs to shop a Karp / HOPE poster
mircea_popescu: and i guess still do.
mircea_popescu: more apt would be a vessenes hope poster really.
mircea_popescu: hopefully his head is next. now that's hope.
cazalla: you know why i hate vessenes
mircea_popescu: i didn't know you did.
cazalla: well i do but for different reasons that you
Bugpowder: CoinLab was more mismanaged than Gox, they just died earlier so they couldn't cause as big a monetary fuckup.
cazalla: on a panel, he ruined it because he had the microphone practically in his mouth and you couldn't hear the other panelists due to his heavy breathing
mircea_popescu: i don't actually hate the guy, i just dislike him because he's very inept strategically and we kinda need to purge the stupid.
nubbins`: vessenes "NOPE" poster
nubbins`: the kitten got turned off ;(
mircea_popescu: or maybe it's time for a HERP poster
nubbins`: i like that
mircea_popescu: can i has link to your clown thing again ?
mircea_popescu: ima order the MP css dept make me one.
nubbins`: ah, refresh my memory
cazalla: anyone that abset minded on microphone etiquette sends me into a rage
cazalla: absent
mircea_popescu: didn't you do a vessenes clown thing ?
nubbins`: oh, right, i think that was tat
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mircea_popescu: cazalla this is kind of sad, incidentally, because it's roughly like a stripper with bad genital hygiene
nubbins`: 2, maybe 3 days ago?
cazalla: sad for me or him
mircea_popescu: all the guy ever does is derp about in the conference freakshow, you'd expect he has at least the basics of that profession down pat.
mircea_popescu: cazalla for him.
mircea_popescu: imagine a truck driver that can't drive double clutch.
cazalla: i sent him an email but he didn't respond
nubbins`: i had a professor once who could only speak in a whisper and so brought a mic to class and amplified it so heavily you could hear him swallow his spit
mircea_popescu: sort-of like a vessenes that can't handle a mic
nubbins`: he would freeze if anyone made a sound (like opening a bookbag, etc)
nubbins`: mid-syllable sometimes
mircea_popescu: at the one uni where i sort-of flirted with academia, this was banned on campus.
mircea_popescu: the rector guy was like "if you can't speak you can't be a university professor."
nubbins`: it's true
mircea_popescu: i know it is.
mircea_popescu: i always respected that guy. occasionally obnoxious but he had what you'd need from a rector : fucking rectitude.
nubbins`: one day (this was a logic course), the poor guy (ancient chinese man) was dreaming up an example for some logical fallacy
nubbins`: "statement one: all cats have four legs"
nubbins`: "statement two: some cats dig my music"
nubbins`: i had to leave the room D;
mircea_popescu: ergo, women walk on their tits.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, you know the "great generals" machine learning fiasco ?
nubbins`: doesn't ring a bell
mircea_popescu: this is probably apocriphal as such, but it is reflective of various actual events. normally it's retold as
mircea_popescu: "at mit, they made this self-learning machine which would try to make deductions sylogistically on a dictionary of natural language constructs
mircea_popescu: they let it run overnight, among the conclusions it had arrived to by morning was "napoleon had an infinite number of arms"
mircea_popescu: the thought process being, napoleon was a great general, great generals are forewarned, being forewarned is like having an extra pair of arms,
nubbins`: well, he did!
nubbins`: why do you think he was so short!
mircea_popescu: four is an odd number of arms for a man to have, the only both odd and even number is infinity
nubbins`: that's actually rich
nubbins`: "being forewarned is being forearmed"
mircea_popescu: kinda why it stuck.
mircea_popescu: anyway, machine-proofed khali.
nubbins`: "In the chat, Karpeles says the leaked document was not produced by Mt. Gox, but he admits that there is some truth to it."
nubbins`: well no shit
nubbins`: mildly surprised anyone believed that was a legit doc
mircea_popescu: soooo... who was it produced by ?
nubbins`: that two-bit idiot guy
nubbins`: selkis?
nubbins`: wanted to make a name for himself, and it worked. associated press splashed his name across the globe
mircea_popescu: guy got burned prett well.
nubbins`: just so happens that he faked the doc at a time when everybody was ready to accept a poor fake as legit
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large << check out this us foreign policy success.
cazalla: nubbins` are you sure it's fake, shrem suggested it might have been karpeles partner who drafted it due to poor english
nubbins`: i'm not sure, but i mean, did you read it?
nubbins`: who's going to draft an internal memo that flatly states "we don't deserve to run a business"?
cazalla: yes but shrem and levine from LTB confirmed they knew some of what is in the pdf is factual prior to it being leaked
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyone sane working at mtgox
mircea_popescu: or a bunch of other bitcoin "businesses" ?
nubbins`: sure, so why did this selkis guy decide to redact page 8?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` possibly because it had passwords on it ?
nubbins`: why would you redact a bunch of numbers on a document about a failing exchange -- a document that you're releasing
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: the redactions were black highlights. you could copypasta them.
mircea_popescu: not proposing any of the foregoing as factual or anything, merely exploring teh theory of it.
nubbins`: black highlights added to the pdf by selkis himself
mircea_popescu: nubbins` point in case as to the "we don't deserve to run a business" thing
mircea_popescu: "we can't even use office equipment properly"
nubbins`: nonono
cazalla: maybe he was asked to redact it by whoever gave it to him to leak because if it was given to potential investors, they might not want the financials out there
nubbins`: selkis is the "blogger" who "leaked" the document.
nubbins`: he doesn't work for gox
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i am aware.
nubbins`: oh, wait, i see what you're saying
mircea_popescu: how do you know he added them ?
nubbins`: because it says so in the file
nubbins`: one sec
mircea_popescu: so this guy is going to be forever remembered as the pdf highlights tard ?
mircea_popescu: good way to become famous lmao
ozbot: Ryan Selkis is full of shit - Imgur
nubbins`: see first image
nubbins`: the pdf software he did the fake redactions in put his fucking name on them
nubbins`: lel x 9000
nubbins`: of course none of the news articles mentioning selkis talk about this
mircea_popescu: fucking hell i can read the original THROUGH the blackl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00088076 = 9.0718 BTC [-]
cazalla: if it was fake, who gave him the legit information to mix with his bs?
nubbins`: what do you mean, gave? the numbers don't even add up
mircea_popescu: "mt gox business is healthy and profitable
cazalla: the re-branding etc, shrem confirmed he knew of this weeks ago
mircea_popescu: is this intentional ?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu that's why the whole thing is so curious
nubbins`: none of it makes sense
mircea_popescu: pity something awful got all butthurt and humiliated and discontinued buttcoin
nubbins`: some anon blogger "is sent" a doc, black-highlights a bunch of gibberish math, makes a reddit post
mircea_popescu: it was a pretty decent service coupla years ago.
nubbins`: next thing ya know gox decides "well, now's as good a time as any"
mircea_popescu: he even twitted with me, sec lemme find it
cazalla: but parts of the document are factual nubbins`
nubbins`: parts of the bible are factual.
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: "And thought he knew better." ...
mircea_popescu: i hope shrem hit him over the head because had he stfu i'd have not said anything either.
mircea_popescu: i wonder generally how many people realise that stupendously stupid "pr" actually has a marked negative cost
nubbins`: curious to see what 2-bit idiot has to say about his redactions
mircea_popescu: like say the misadventures of those pretend-gambling guys mpoe-pr laid into a week ago
mircea_popescu: what the fuck were they called again,
cazalla: casino bitcoin
mircea_popescu: a yes that.
nubbins`: CBTC!
mircea_popescu: it was casino bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12682 @ 0.00088322 = 11.201 BTC [+]
ozbot: Calling out CasinoBitco.in
cazalla: they added all their privately held shares to havelock the other week
cazalla: didn't mention it though until people pointed it out asking wtf
mircea_popescu: well obviously all the nonsense barrage was destined to help them fuck some more noobs over.
mircea_popescu: haha pretty epic ownage this. allow me to spam irc :
mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter · 2h "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. The EU is one of the few sane players and the US press is slamming them for it
mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter I don't recall US ever sending tanks into Canada. Does chasing Pancho Villa = Hungary 1956, Prague 1968, Afghanistan 1979?
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BhZi4sUCUAA0q4B.jpg:large … how's that look to you ?
nubbins`: he doesn't recall the usa and canada being at war?
nubbins`: i uh
mircea_popescu: @SpiegelPeter Is Syria a neighbour of the US? You may want to re-read original Kennan quote.
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Yes, it borders on the US province of Iraq. You may wish to drop the weasel act, we're adults, we can see through bs.
mircea_popescu: and now he's going to be upset because i called him a weasel
mircea_popescu: CLEARLY he doesn't have to respond to such evil.
mircea_popescu: like you know, having your idiocy made a point of public mockery in the forum is immediate license to disengage and pretent like you were slighted
mircea_popescu: it's almost as if they're all women or something.
Duffer1: "Kremlin's jealous & intolerant eye can distinguish only vassals & enemies; neighbors, if they dont wish 2 be one, must be the other”-Kennan
Duffer1: mircea_popescu@Mircea_Popescu This is pretty well equally true of the US. >>> Cuba is a great example to offer
Duffer1: at least, closer to physical home than iraq
mircea_popescu: no because the standard magically is "the us never sent tanks there"
Duffer1: lol
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding that russia didn't send any tanks in the ukraine, either
mircea_popescu: but you know, opinions.
mircea_popescu: why not have a strongly held one ?
ozbot: Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Duffer1: dunno if they had tanks..
cazalla: CIA eh
cazalla: lead to that after reading the CIA rumoured to have run a bank here in Australia
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 623 @ 0.00083901 = 0.5227 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: o, you mean to compete with HSBC ?
mircea_popescu: in the very lucrative heroin trade ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2210 @ 0.00587473 = 12.9832 BTC [+] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.06066044 = 0.364 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02199999 = 0.264 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.16230094 = 2.5968 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.08388996 = 0.6711 BTC [+] {3}
cazalla: it's pretty speculative
cazalla: at least in the aus bank case
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 32 @ 0.00587699 = 0.1881 BTC [+] {5}
ozbot: Bay of Pigs Invasion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: that doesn't count.
Duffer1: k :(
mircea_popescu: because random US agent of influence in Brussels slash fuckwit says so.
cazalla: heh Invasion day, that's what they call Australia Day although I prefer to call it Conquerors Day
mircea_popescu: because this is how the internet works now.
Duffer1: i wish you were wrong
nubbins`: i'll be close to brussels this summer
cazalla: going to bed, give me something good to read with morning coffee :)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2014#528354 << may be worth a mention that russian troop movements was discussed here way before it became public :D
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Duffer1: i don't see why they would do that unless they're planning an invasion or reinstallation of Yanuk
Duffer1 will try to remember to read linked article first next time
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mircea_popescu: why, cause without crimeea they're fucked up the ass
mircea_popescu: russia is very badly landlocked, they can't survive without ports.
mircea_popescu: even crimeea is barely a fucking toehold.
nubbins`: and vladivostok is a LONG train ride from moscow & st petersburg
nubbins`: almost the longest
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00589333 = 0.4479 BTC [+] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11496639 = 0.2299 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587995 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24139 @ 0.00088304 = 21.3157 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations - The Inte
pankkake: the schneier proposal was so… tame. almost sounded like politicians creating commissions to solve problems
pankkake: "This is a radical solution" lol
nubbins`: is that an article about people leaving "-10 scammer faggot" ratings on -otc? ;D
pankkake: I hope government agents have more talent
mircea_popescu: pankkake nah, it's about derpage like quoted above.
mircea_popescu: on twitter.
mircea_popescu: that guy's job is basically "derp at russia".
mircea_popescu: which w/e, it's a living.
nubbins`: twist: GCHQ stole pdf from gox and leaked it via their agent selkis
mircea_popescu: it's kind-of becoming a fun sport these days tho, find agents twist their arms.
mircea_popescu: kinda sitting ducks because they're slaves to their talking points
mircea_popescu: and really as entry level bureaucrats... how smart can they be ?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.0059 = 1.7641 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 219 @ 0.0059 = 1.2921 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3689 @ 0.00590063 = 21.7674 BTC [+] {7}
ozbot: Frequently Asked Questions | Counterparty | Crypto-Financial Market
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 87 @ 0.00597798 = 0.5201 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 224 @ 0.005978 = 1.3391 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: what is xcp
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 828 @ 0.00597969 = 4.9512 BTC [+] {4}
Duffer1: never heard about it until i was catching up on my daily actm drama this morning
ThickAsThieves: counterparty is one of those things like mastercoin right
ThickAsThieves: burn your coins into meta system
ThickAsThieves: cry later
Duffer1: pretty ui though >.<
ThickAsThieves: "Having only one currency that can be used for betting makes bet-matching simpler and easier (and more likely). The currency for making bets cannot be BTC, because the Counterparty protocol cannot debit BTC from a user’s address."
ThickAsThieves: sounds like something i'd write for Altcoin
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i for some reason read actm as "rectum"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 30 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1794 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: my brain is telling me things.
pankkake: I wonder if the UI is just a photoshop thing for now
Duffer1: synesthesia read actm, smell poop
ozbot: Scientists Discover a New State of Matter in the Last Place You’d Ever Think to Look | TheBlaze.co
mircea_popescu: speaking of all that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 231 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3814 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.00598 = 3.9468 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00597999 = 0.4485 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: so will chickens eventually have crystallized eyes?
ThickAsThieves: breed more chikuns!
ThickAsThieves: cuz after crystal eyes, comes laser chikuns, right?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18371 @ 0.00088484 = 16.2554 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: gj bingo
Bugpowder: mircea_popescu: DOUBLE DOWN!
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder lolwut? o tsla you mean ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.00598 = 0.8252 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cool beanz.
BingoBoingo: Well, I guess years of reading them taught me their copywriting style
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @SpiegelPeter I get it, you ...
Bugpowder: Nice to see you getting back into twitter.
Bugpowder: And getting some responses!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598 = 0.299 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: they fixed the site.
mircea_popescu: i abandoned it cca 2012 cause they made it js-unusable.
ThickAsThieves: yeah, at least spiegal engaged
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you missed the huge argument with anil dash coupla days ago ?
ThickAsThieves: possibly
mircea_popescu: guy ended up asking me about what music i like and so forth.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.102 = 0.714 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: cause you know, that's how you make friends.
nubbins`: i'm only here because you guys all like Talking Heads
ThickAsThieves: get Keiser to engage, that's a real challenge
mircea_popescu: if only mr Y asked the demonstrator ppl what music they liked....
Bugpowder: Why would one want to engage with Keiser?
Bugpowder: Wouldn't want to bring down my influence.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves he used to back before i ended up wearing his asshole as a windshield decoration
mircea_popescu: (this was back in the ra ra ra days of to the moon when btc first broke 100)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.11475878 = 0.459 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475878 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00597999 = 3.588 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 284 @ 0.00598 = 1.6983 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06098069 = 0.122 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.005987 = 0.1497 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: So, less than 10% of slashdot users are using the new layout
mircea_popescu: i don't even remember a case where some popular site "improved"
mircea_popescu: or "new layouted"
mircea_popescu: and the userbase liked it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 103 @ 0.005987 = 0.6167 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 184 @ 0.005987 = 1.1016 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.06145 = 0.6145 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.005987 = 0.8981 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Prolly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.005987 = 0.1976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00598962 = 0.2456 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 130 @ 0.00474999 = 0.6175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595201 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> i have no idea why people continue doing it. must be a mental disorder on the management side. /// marketeers are persuasive, it's their job
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "You know you've done things right, when people aren't sure you've done anything at all."
mircea_popescu: the derpage coming out of that thing is almost like bitcoin magazine runs it.
ThickAsThieves: what did they rip?
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: If you're going to rip -assets ...
mircea_popescu: link is there, "o derp, bitcoin is the greatest asset class in the histopry of business"
mircea_popescu: except, not because it went up 50ish x in 2013.
BingoBoingo: ThickAsThieves: Everything, it is the coindesk way
mircea_popescu: the argument is strong and well made, but not by them and not by their fucktarded infographic or w/e that thing is
ThickAsThieves: slide 12 seems familiar
BingoBoingo: At this rate COindesk is headed into a Max Kaiser like niche becoming a noob ghetto
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008855 = 3.1435 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: see the jan 31st discussion with herbi, it's linked in the tweet.
Duffer1: max seems to have become the thing he hates
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00598998 = 0.1857 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00480065 = 0.168 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Max doesn't have the dignity for that
Duffer1: Max Keiser ‏@maxkeiser 2h
Duffer1: I plan to give @RealAlexJones some free #maxcoin next week. No need to bother with Bitcoin, #maxcoin is better. Currency of the Resistance.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00598999 = 0.4433 BTC [+] {3}
TomServo: pathetic.
Duffer1: ya that kinda stuff gets under my skin pretty quick
BingoBoingo: Also 737 people reffered by Slashdot in the first hour as the last of four links in the story.
ThickAsThieves: maxoin is better bro!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 107 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6409 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39675101 BTC to 2`983 shares, 80347 satoshi per share
ThickAsThieves: did Max lose all his BTC on gox or something?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 42 @ 0.00598999 = 0.2516 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: If only the latest trilema piece had come out an hour earlier
ThickAsThieves: it's odd to me that the bitcoin world ignored bitcoin stocks and stock exchanges so much
ThickAsThieves: like zero mention in the coindesk report
mircea_popescu: TomServo kinda lulzy cause it went pretty much like an old guy's erection, that forced coin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.06145 = 0.676 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: never mentioned in bitcoin hearings or such
ThickAsThieves: never mentioned by core devs
mircea_popescu: why would they ?
ThickAsThieves: to be comprehensive?
Duffer1: seems like a situation where they'd just rather forget
BingoBoingo: Stocks and exchanges aren't for the herd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.061 = 0.427 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i really don't want this viewpoint promoted whereby bitcoin finance is this point of interest for the general public.
mircea_popescu: it isn't.
mircea_popescu: i mean they can end up believing it is, like they end up believing any other nonsense they believe
mircea_popescu: but it's really just setting up everyone to get hurt.
ThickAsThieves: they even have a whole VC section
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 21 @ 0.00539875 = 0.1134 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: well i dont mean to imply i wish it promoted
ThickAsThieves: so much that it being absent is odd
mircea_popescu: last thing you need you know, is thebitcoinwife being knowledgeable about stocks.
mircea_popescu: i guess it is a little odd.
ThickAsThieves: it also makes their numbers wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00598606 = 0.1736 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Could their numbers have ever been right?
ThickAsThieves: "38% of all VC investment is in payment processors"
mircea_popescu: that is unfortunate, yea.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well... it is. of the 1-2% of bitcoin marketshare that us vcs get
mircea_popescu: 38% is in dead in the water pps
mircea_popescu: rest of 62% is in other dead in the water nonventures.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1129999 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the controlling point here, i guess, would be the observation of Kennedy sr that fuck it, when shoeshine boys discuss stocks it's time to get out.
mircea_popescu: the day you're in the same boat with the sorts of people "investing" in groupon it's prolly time to move on.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 145 @ 0.00598998 = 0.8685 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: shoeshine boys won't have mpex accounts anytime soon.
mike_c: although i guess they could have coinbr accounts
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 393 @ 0.00598642 = 2.3527 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: curse jurov!
jurov: i;m still waiting for someone who'll license coinbr code (for worthy price, ofc)
jurov: and start offering free mpex trading for masses
mircea_popescu: mike_c anyway, stuff like publishing the correct numbers is useful and welcome.
jurov: somehow no one is up to it
mircea_popescu: the idea isn't to keep anything a secret, god forbid, but basically i think we should be informed by the correct interraction with children in a family.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11299998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0615 = 0.123 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you don't make a big secret out of the power sockets, or the power tools in the garage
mircea_popescu: you just go about your business without making a big deal of them and let the kids grow up with all their limbs
mircea_popescu: i think that's overall the best policy.
mike_c: and maybe even buy those little plastice outlet covers to make sure they survive :)
mircea_popescu: maybe. tho...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.11299998 = 0.339 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that's the debatable point, but anyway. some slack for everyone to cut closer or further by his taste.
mircea_popescu: but as a general principle actual finance does not belong in the mouth of pundits any more than science belongs in the mouths of politicos.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo see, hour late or not, it made the paper http://paper.li/ionescupopescu
mike_c: looking at slides like coindesk's makes me mad for some reason. those stupid charts with "here's why btc went up" and "here's why it went down". they should post that on bitcointalk and be done with it.
mircea_popescu: it really is just glorified bitcointalk stuff.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 73 @ 0.00599 = 0.4373 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595201 = 0.2381 BTC [-]
ozbot: Open Letter to Michael Casey - WSJ reporter who butchered my comments in today's Bitcoin cover story
mircea_popescu: the disadvantages of being erik
BingoBoingo: Well, when you want to be everyone's friend you forget if you actually have friends or not.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00594726 = 0.2617 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599 = 0.1018 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 616 @ 0.00582265 = 3.5868 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 189 @ 0.0058 = 1.0962 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.16230094 = 0.4869 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "with friends like this, whi the fuck needs cointelpro"
mircea_popescu: lol srsly.
thestringpuller: payment processors have too much overhead due to regulation...you pay so many fees just cutting through red tape
thestringpuller: PCI compliance is a joke, yet it accounts for good chunk of the expense budget...that gets passed onto the customer. thus we have bitcoin. So what happens in 20 years big government regulates BTC and you need 10 licenses just to touch it in Country XYZ?
mircea_popescu: eh let teh vcs have fun
ThickAsThieves: pci compliance is most definitely a joke
TomServo: No doubt. It worked wonders for Target, didn't it!
thestringpuller: lol operate a bitcoin exchange from a space station. no government there...
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: elevator for bags of fiat?
Duffer1: mining farm in space, free cooling
asciilifeform: Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch
asciilifeform: (radiative only, if this is somehow non-obvious)
Duffer1: no i know :P
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35611 @ 0.00088327 = 31.4541 BTC [-] {2}
Duffer1: can a level of bureaucracy exist sufficient to regulate Bitcoin?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1989 @ 0.00088021 = 1.7507 BTC [-]
diametric: I think the problem is people use the word regulate like its some specific thing.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> Duffer1: cooling in space is a bitch << this somehow never is directly obvious
asciilifeform: phun phact - in soviet prison camps, notes ('scribbles', roughly translated from the argot) went around freely from one end of the archipelago to another. (how? bribe a guard)
mircea_popescu: but one of the biggest problems for any energetically intensive application outside of earth is like... how the fuck you cool it.
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with larger heat exchangers than solar panels
asciilifeform: so something resembling bitcoin (well, more like Hawala) could have worked even there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "there is no prison that may hold the literate"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1314 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.08388998 = 0.1678 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: diametric but it is a specific thing. it means "fucking" :D
asciilifeform: and i'm sure virtually everyone is familiar with the use of morse code by prisoners, historically.
asciilifeform: re: heat sinks: this is how the americans spotted the radiothermally-powered (Pu core) soviet satellites - enormous fins.
mircea_popescu: "Tough Women followed you"
mircea_popescu: fucking story of my life.
asciilifeform: that and, well, absence of solar panels.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed
mircea_popescu: "hey those don't really look like solar panels ?!"
asciilifeform: rtg can be built to happily run for centuries.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33499 @ 0.00087986 = 29.4744 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Man Accidentally Kills Self With Gun During Demonstration On Gun Safety
nubbins`: "The 36-year-old man ... was attempting to demonstrate the safety of the handguns by holding them to his head and pulling the trigger."
nubbins`: because that's how you demonstrate that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597499 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
nubbins`: for my next trick, i will demonstrate the safety of this prop knife by falling on it from my balcony.
asciilifeform: tldr, insurance fraud.
Duffer1: have you seen the one with the black cop shoots himself in a classroom during a safety demo?
Duffer1: i'll try to find it
nubbins`: what does black have to do with it?
mircea_popescu: i was thinking that
Duffer1: an adjective to help describe the specific video i'm thinking of
ozbot: Cop Shoots himself in the leg - YouTube
Duffer1: tom wins
mircea_popescu: wait there's A LOT of vids of cops shooting themselves in schools ?
diametric: thats a classic
diametric: Have to hand it to him, he just rolls with it
mircea_popescu: Paco de Lucia has died
mircea_popescu: diametric perhaps not his first time ?
asciilifeform had a dream last night that he found the coveted n-sat shortcutter for sha-256. the number '14' was a magic constant, somehow.
ozbot: Infested bedbug rentals unacceptable, Tom Osborne says - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.005975 = 0.3645 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: this is my nightmare
nubbins`: well. one of them
nubbins`: curious to see what changes they'll try to make to the residential tenancies act
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.005975 = 0.2151 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is my nightmare << bedbugs?
nubbins`: my house is attached on both sides
asciilifeform: or sha shortcut
nubbins`: hard skids living on both sides too
nubbins`: sha shortcut isn't into nightmare territory yet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00597499 = 0.6811 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: what's a hardskid?
benkay: ;;ud skid
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=skid | The term "skid" is in part derived from "skid row", which is both a band enjoyed by those the term refers to, as well as their address. See also white trash and ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: skid
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00595 = 0.1488 BTC [-]
nubbins`: technically we call them "skeets" here
nubbins`: but i think skids is a more widely known term
pankkake: a hard skid is used to store data, but does not work well, and sometimes reverses bits
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tbh large parts of the us are having a SERIOUS infestation problem these days.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu they found bedbugs in provincial court here last year
mircea_popescu: i can't grok wtf is causing it, because i never heard of a civilised country with begbugs before san francisco came along
thestringpuller: poor white people are worse than niggas these days
benkay: no no thestringpuller those are "niggers" in this channel
benkay: nigga a different thing
nubbins`: lel, the article starts with "In Newfoundland English..."
asciilifeform: little parasites were constant companions of people, historically.
asciilifeform: perhaps our little break is simply over.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah up until 1950 or so
thestringpuller: also poor hippies are the emperors of infestation
thestringpuller: worse than serfs
thestringpuller: and they complain....
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00595 = 0.238 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2925 @ 0.00087859 = 2.5699 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "Where ya at?"
mircea_popescu: srsly, this is what yo upeople invented ?
nubbins`: no, we invented the gas mask
mircea_popescu: brb going to name some dogs after you
nubbins`: i think there's a wikipedia article about that somewhere too
nubbins`: "where are ye to?" is much more common
mircea_popescu: Get on the go, Let's go (also, a common euphemism for partying, on the go by itself can also refer to a relationship - similar to a dating stage, but more hazy.)
nubbins`: ye being, of course, the plural of you
mircea_popescu: whoever the fuck wrote that wiki entry was pretty well gone.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00595 = 0.2975 BTC [-]
nubbins`: most of it is shit
nubbins`: hits the mark a few times
mircea_popescu: He[she/dey] just took off
nubbins`: i.e. "right" as a synonym for "Very"
nubbins`: "she's right crooked" == "she is in a very bad mood"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` like "the right honorable dorky mcdorkenstock" ?
nubbins`: well, wait
mircea_popescu: so you thing lolz
ozbot: Newfoundland English - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: i guess so
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.00485999 = 0.1069 BTC [-]
KRS1: skeet is white trach or wigger here
mircea_popescu: Ducky, female friend, used affectionately. Also My love, used in an entirely platonic sense
mircea_popescu: great contribs to culture coming from canada.
thestringpuller: i thought skeet meant the process of ejaculating
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i've seen delivery drivers call women "my lover"
nubbins`: dere ya goes, me lover
KRS1: thestringpuller: that too, depending on who you ask.. as in ... skeet skeet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC {2}
nubbins`: i'm guilty of using some of these
nubbins`: "now the once" = "soon"
ThickAsThieves: lotsa former pirates out there?
nubbins`: c'mon now, we goes drinkin' now the once
mircea_popescu: so what does gay mean in newfoundlandandlabradorese ?
KRS1: nubbins`: I think here they call the person 'boo'.
TomServo: Yet there is a difference between a hill and a big hill.
TomServo: haha
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: depends on the age of the speaker ;D
KRS1: boo=my lover
nubbins`: "queer" is still regularly used to mean "odd" by older folk
mircea_popescu: that's right faggoty my love.
KRS1: LOL
KRS1: i need bait now
KRS1: .bait
nubbins`: "dass a queer smell"
ozbot: Bitcoin Exchange Mt. Gox Shutdown Said to be Probed by U.S. - Businessweek
nubbins`: more like "qware" than "queer" tho
KRS1: Mmmm elegant.
asciilifeform: who the hell is Preet Bharara? i feel like i've heard the name before
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform preet bharara wants a cracker ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599 = 0.5391 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0055 = 0.11 BTC
ThickAsThieves: he's the guy holding the silkroad coins
mircea_popescu: best parakeet name ever.
ThickAsThieves: if i recall correctly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {3}
TomServo: His brother, Vinit Bharara, is the entrepreneur who co-founded Diapers.com
ozbot: dem shirts, yo
thestringpuller: ;;google explain like I'm five bitcoin
gribble: Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five — Future of Currency — Medium: <https://medium.com/future-of-currency/73b4257ac833>; Explain like I'm five: Bitcoin | Darren Hobbs: <http://darrenhobbs.com/2013/04/09/explain-like-im-five-bitcoin/>; Explain Bitcoin Like I'm Five (In case you want to understand the ...: <http://www.againstcronycapitalism.org/2014/01/explain-bitcoin-like-im- (1 more message)
benkay: bronycapitalism!
asciilifeform: ;;google explain like I'm five noncommutative algebras
gribble: fa.functional analysis - Realisation of noncommutative torus ...: <http://mathoverflow.net/questions/157357/realisation-of-noncommutative-torus>; Basic facts about finitely-generated noncommutative algebras - Math ...: <http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/645775/basic-facts-about-finitely-generated-noncommutative-algebras>; An Intuitive Guide to Linear Algebra | (1 more message)
ThickAsThieves: Ships in two weeks™ or your money back!
mircea_popescu: ;;google explain like i'm twelve and what is this ?
gribble: Explain Like I'm Five | Don't Panic! - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/>; Explain Like I'm Calvin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/ExplainLikeImCalvin>; Philadelphia (1993) - Quotes - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107818/quotes>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599 = 0.1857 BTC [+]
nubbins`: jcpham, lel
benkay: ping davout
mircea_popescu: ;;explain like i'm five anal sex
gribble: Error: "explain" is not a valid command.
jcpham: ;;eli5 would be great gribble command
gribble: Error: "eli5" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: why hardcoded 5? 'eliN'
nubbins`: "wear your failings like the badge of honor that they are"
ThickAsThieves: ;;google explain like i'm usagi
gribble: so i'm looking up to see if a lot of things that...: <http://adventuresofcomicbookgirl.tumblr.com/post/64092309282/so-im-looking-up-to-see-if-a-lot-of-things-that>; What's the Big Deal About Sailor Moon? « The Hooded Utilitarian: <http://www.hoodedutilitarian.com/2011/11/bigdealaboutsailormoon/>; Stan Sakai drew a comic in 1991 explaining how to make ... - Robot 6: (1 more message)
Duffer1: LOL
asciilifeform: ;;explain like i'm five seppuku
jcpham: i think that site is 100%
jcpham: bitpay integrated and such
ThickAsThieves: from reddit: "What is the potential value of NeoBee? Right now it is trading at around 005"
ThickAsThieves: "Noone can be sure until first dividends."
jcpham: so if you buy then i have to make it
thestringpuller: ;;seen usagi
gribble: usagi was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 0 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: <usagi> No, but it will go over
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00596854 = 0.2447 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: hope you're getting a good price on your shirts :D
jcpham: so they need to be $50
mircea_popescu: so what happens if 1st dividends are 0.007 per share ?
jcpham: i see your point
ThickAsThieves: the moon isn't high enough for such a div
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 27 @ 0.0055 = 0.1485 BTC
mircea_popescu: infinite power right ?
nubbins`: where are you getting em printed, anyway?
ozbot: Got Gox? shirt – goxshirts.com
nubbins`: cafepress or some such?
nubbins`: ;D was hoping that'd garner a reaction
jcpham: everyone thank nubbins`the price went up
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 585.38, Best ask: 587.37, Bid-ask spread: 1.99000, Last trade: 587.37, 24 hour volume: 50964.25595437, 24 hour low: 502.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.245443288
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 165 @ 0.00599339 = 0.9889 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins` discreetly undercuts prices
mircea_popescu: o no! look at that, nobody cared!
jcpham: umm customink
jcpham: doesn't really matter to me. still working out logistics
davout: benkay: hey
jcpham: i had a need for a shopify thingy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.0059977 = 0.1679 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins` raises eyebrow
nubbins`: they do one-off shirts for $20.75, shipping included
nubbins`: my guess is chinese shirts with heat xfer graphics
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.103 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i wouldn't even set up the press for $20.75 ;p
benkay: davout: more tunes still on offer?
davout: benkay: sure! later tonight tho, gotta wrap some stuff up
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0059977 = 0.3839 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.06178989 = 0.4943 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.103 = 0.927 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i'm gonna try to get Havelock to fix this market cap bullshit
ThickAsThieves: how many SMG shares are there again?
benkay: bahaha
benkay: davout: i'll check in tomorrow, busy tonight
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 61 @ 0.0059978 = 0.3659 BTC [+] {2}
davout: no worries :D
nubbins`: that doesn't tell the total # of shares
ThickAsThieves: i guess it's abstracted by warrant
mike_c: ;;calc 12157 / .000138
gribble: 88094202.8986
nubbins`: well that's the thing about warrants
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.0059978 = 0.2279 BTC [+]
mike_c: ^ that many shares
ozbot: S.MG, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mike_c: and about the same # of warrants
benkay: wait why i am i doing mp's work for him
ThickAsThieves: so really havelock would need to pull that count dynamically
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11475881 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 320 @ 0.00599885 = 1.9196 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.49 = 1.47 BTC [-]
nubbins`: can they do that?
mike_c: shares is fixed. warrants are somewhat dynamic.
benkay: they can't do that?
mike_c: btcalpha manages :)
nubbins`: btcalpha accomodates shares being created after the fact?
mike_c: it accomodates warrants being issued
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 227 @ 0.0055 = 1.2485 BTC
nubbins`: suppose i cash in my warrant today. 192,000 s.mg shares get pushed to my account
nubbins`: how does havelock find out about this?
mike_c: monthly statement
benkay: sounds like a thing havelock and the pt managers should really have thought about.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: mike_c: so the numbers could be inaccurate on havelock for up to 30 days
ThickAsThieves: well this week havelock becomes the PT manager
mike_c: only sort of. fully dilute market cap doesn't change
ThickAsThieves: surely James and Mircea can sort out a way to reliably get a count
benkay: guess that means you don't have to worry about any of this bullshit, eh, ThickAsThieves?
ThickAsThieves: well i want neo's to be right mostly
mircea_popescu: S.MG has a total of 88`096`605 authorised shares outstanding
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17068 @ 0.00088091 = 15.0354 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 211 @ 0.00599892 = 1.2658 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: and why are warrants included or what are we discussing ?
ThickAsThieves: they arent included, but they are a factor should they be rendered, no?
nubbins`: i think the question is how havelock knows total # of shares
nubbins`: when people can cash out warrants whenever they want
mircea_popescu: and for that matter s.mg can write more warrants whenever it wants.
nubbins`: this presents a problem to be solved if havelock wishes to display a live count of the number of shares existing
ThickAsThieves: it just means the cap needs to be more dynamic than ASICMINER for example
mircea_popescu: this is what jurov likes so much about mpex
nubbins`: anyway bbl i gotta run an errand
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well generally share counts change. corps do share-based acquisitions and mergers, splits, reverse splits
mircea_popescu: warrants and options are exercised all the time
mircea_popescu: kind-of why the key figures are reported a certain way in fiat.
nubbins`: wait, i said bbl
nubbins`: for real this time!
ThickAsThieves: alright, short email to Havelock CEO sent, I even gave him all the dataz.
ThickAsThieves: (for SMG, AM, NEO)
ThickAsThieves: everyone else can get fukt i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11475881 = 0.2295 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0617 = 0.1234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 323 @ 0.00599869 = 1.9376 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00599975 = 0.198 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11499999 = 0.23 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc .000599975*16000000
gribble: 9599.6
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.37, Best ask: 585.65, Bid-ask spread: 1.28000, Last trade: 584.37, 24 hour volume: 50743.47596829, 24 hour low: 509.96, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 561.356989288
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 9599.6*584.37
gribble: 5609718.252
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.10499999 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: should be 10x
ThickAsThieves: NEOBEE at $56.1m
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 108 @ 0.00599963 = 0.648 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.06178989 = 0.3089 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: 160mn shares ?
ThickAsThieves: i had the price wrong
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.1055 = 0.211 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 27 @ 0.0059996 = 0.162 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol. bank of cyprus was what, 350mn ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.005998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: € 371.59m
mircea_popescu: well so almost there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.005998 = 1.0077 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 253 @ 0.000501 = 0.1268 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: i'm having real trouble understanding the growing trend of american anti-gentrificationism
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.061 = 0.305 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 125 @ 0.00599972 = 0.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "we're poor and dirty why should anyone be rich" not enough ?
mooninite: MtGox Update 3: I found it, my usb with 700k bitcoins, It had fell down the side of the sofa at starbucks, withdrawals to resume soonish.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: people dream of keeping their money
asciilifeform: is this really deep science?
mircea_popescu: "You have to come with respect. There’s a code."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic.
mircea_popescu: fuck you and your fucking code.
ThickAsThieves: the comments are ridiculous "Why does it take an influx of white New Yorkers in the South Bronx, in Harlem, in Bed Stuy, in Crown Heights for the facilities to get better? Why did it take this great influx of white people to get the schools better? The garbage wasn’t picked up every motherfuckin’ day when I was living in 165 Washington Park... The police weren’t around... When
ThickAsThieves: you see white mothers pushing their babies in strollers, three o’clock in the morning on 125th Street, that must tell you something."
ThickAsThieves: why? cuz you didnt
mircea_popescu: basically, some people suck, some don't. whee why should this be, whoo how could this be.
mircea_popescu: it just is.
mircea_popescu: part of it, of course, has to do with "the code".
mircea_popescu: some codes suck.
asciilifeform: in america, there are (de-facto) radically different 'tax rates' (not tax properly speaking, but rent) for different castes
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as a right to one's code just because it exists or just because it's different.
ThickAsThieves: god forbid a mom can walk down a street safely
mircea_popescu: get a good code or stfu.
asciilifeform: you can squeeze into the rent zone of a different caste if you're willing to live where it lives
asciilifeform: but when people do it en mass, the landlords adjust the price
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much.
asciilifeform: this is called, for some reason, 'gentrification'
ThickAsThieves: i thought it was called 'life'
asciilifeform: just explaining for people who have never been to the u.s.
ThickAsThieves: or maybe 'progress'
asciilifeform: so it works roughly like this. you're a programmer or whatnot, and live in a repurposed warehouse, with armoured doors. and life is good, you pay 1/10 of your money as rent
asciilifeform: then the other programmers think you're clever and get the same idea
asciilifeform: in a few years the street is full of people like yourself and you pay the mandatory 1/2 of your money as rent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly historic data from 1600s and 1700s shows avg rents being about 5% of income
ThickAsThieves: i visited the tenderloin in SF, i dont know what the fuck they are clinging on to
mircea_popescu: with tax trailing around 4%
ThickAsThieves: it's a pit
mircea_popescu: those were the dark ages
mircea_popescu: today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent.
mircea_popescu: and then in most places another 10%ish in vat and vat-like taxes.
mircea_popescu: leaving them with about 1 in 10 of their income
asciilifeform: show people what fraction of their net crop medieval serfs paid, and no one believes you.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the traditional TAKING 1 of 10
mircea_popescu: right-o.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.13587998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you need a whole of a lot of progress to get people thinking they're better off in vermin infested shitholes today than they were in 1500
mircea_popescu: "When Michael Jackson died they wanted to have a party for him in motherfuckin’ Fort Greene Park and all of a sudden the white people in Fort Greene said, 'Wait a minute! We can’t have black people having a party for Michael Jackson to celebrate his life. Who’s coming to the neighborhood?
mircea_popescu: well honestly now... why would white people let black people throw parties for mj's death ?
mircea_popescu: he was white.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 31 @ 0.00599975 = 0.186 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: give him at least that much.
ThickAsThieves: he did work hard for it
mircea_popescu: in other news, the bitcoin Rift guild is about to pass 1k players 0.o
ThickAsThieves: is the game fun? or you just in it for the economy?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 136 @ 0.00598329 = 0.8137 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: i have it uninstalled
mircea_popescu: im mostly doing it for the economy
mircea_popescu: which i pretty much own
mircea_popescu: but the game is like wow withot the stupid shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 143 @ 0.00596738 = 0.8533 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899998 BTC [+]
mooninite: s/Rift/Guild Wars2/
mircea_popescu: i never tried gw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 17 @ 0.00599976 = 0.102 BTC [+]
mooninite: I played Rift, it was def a step of from the likes of WoW. But GW2 is the epitome of "without the stupid shit"
mooninite: no gear treadmill, skill oriented gameplay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0605 = 0.3025 BTC [-]
mooninite: anyways
mooninite continues to lurk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00599976 = 0.174 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 13 @ 0.16230094 = 2.1099 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 21 @ 0.00599999 = 0.126 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.16230094 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 34 @ 0.060377 = 2.0528 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 223 @ 0.00599999 = 1.338 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00599999 = 0.708 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00599999 = 2.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1738 @ 0.00599999 = 10.428 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: mooninite how does the gear threadmill work ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13125 @ 0.00088005 = 11.5507 BTC [-]
mooninite: at max level, everyone's gear stats hit the same ceiling. There's no quest for bigger and better loots. Some people dislike this fact, but I find it nice to be able to quit playing for a few weeks, come back and not feel like everyone else progressed beyond me
mooninite: there are ascended and legendary items that would be the sort of 'epic' rarity loots but their stats are barely higher than the regular items, only they look nicer and have particle effects
mooninite: so it's a level playing field, and if you want to farm and go out of your way to get the rarest items, you can -- but they will not immediately make you stronger than everyone else, it's just for looks
mircea_popescu: so how the heck does crafting work then ?
the20year2: *possibly* dumb question, but would it be possible to request the listing of an asset on mpex via a pre-existing account, or does it have to be done from a brand new one?
mircea_popescu: the20year2 there's no requirement it be a new account
mircea_popescu: i don't think any assets were listed off new accounts anyway, what sense'd that make ?
mike_c: % as rent has more to do with density, no?
the20year2: My primary concern/question if the requirement is always 30btc to list an asset
mike_c: % as rent climbs as population density rises
mircea_popescu: there's no 30 btc to list an asset tho.
the20year2: But, 30btc to sign up an account
mircea_popescu: mpex works exactly like a stock exchange is supposed to work, the asset should ideally take an underwriter
mircea_popescu: which is someone with the experience and contacts required to maintain the financial side of things.
mircea_popescu: if every ipo also bought a pit spot it'd be the fucking end of the world over at nyse.
mircea_popescu: in some cases obviously the asset is owned by an actual investment bank which already has a seat. this is by no means common or the rule. esp as things mature.
the20year2: And who is the contact?
the20year2: You're talking about market makers, correct?
mircea_popescu: the contact for what exactly ?
the20year2: the underwriter for an asset on mpex
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23400 @ 0.00087857 = 20.5585 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: there's no requirement that the underwriter marketmakes
mircea_popescu: with the exception of x.eur and the options, mpex assets aren't mm'd specifically
mircea_popescu: anyone can be the mm or somescuh.
the20year2: I guess I'm trying to determine if there'd be use in whether there would be a use for a USD rentalstarter bond on mpex
the20year2: And if so, the costs of doing such
the20year2: We should hit $500k in total NAV by June, which is good, but i don't know if it's enough still in order to get a portfolio lender to consider us
mircea_popescu: well, if you aren't in the business, the logical step would be to talk to someone who is.
the20year2: Which was the whole idea behind doing this 2nd round of funding via havelock. So, then i've got to consider what non-share options there exist for business financing. Issuing interest bearing bonds are one of those things that many businesses do when they don't/can't apply for bank financing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.115 = 3.45 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: but you'd have to pay interest in btc..
the20year2: Well , if it works as a BTC short, then the interest being paid would be tied to USD rather than BTC, but still paid via btc as the medium
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11520433 = 0.2304 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3050 @ 0.00087823 = 2.6786 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.11540966 = 0.8079 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14720 @ 0.0008781 = 12.9256 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> today people pay 50% ish in tax and 25% in rent. <<< you're obviously not from canada
mircea_popescu: nubbins` was thinking more of a us thing.
the20year2: isn't it flipped in canada?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.11540966 = 0.2308 BTC [+]
the20year2: Then of course, depending on the cost, issuing bonds in the US may be preferential to pursuing issuance on a bitcoin based exchange
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 66 @ 0.00599999 = 0.396 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599999 = 0.132 BTC [+] {2}
the20year2: Hopefully I'm making sense
the20year2: The two questions are : Would a USD bond (to short BTC:USD) be useful on somewhere like mpex, and if so, what would the cost be to do such a venture from the issuer standpoint
nubbins`: wait, sorry, 25% of gross pay
nubbins`: i see
nubbins`: ~50% of net for housing is the norm here
the20year2: US they want to see 35%
mike_c: there's already a btc hedge on mpex in x.eur. i'm not sure how much appetite you'll find for a bond that will decrease in NAV and interest rate as btc rises.
nubbins`: depending on your tax bracket, that could be around 25% of gross
the20year2: and that includes usually utilities
mircea_popescu: the20year2 what makes you tihnk you have the credibility to issue bonds in the first place ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.00088321 = 0.2208 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 491 @ 0.00599996 = 2.946 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: i mean equity is one thing, people love throwing money away
mircea_popescu: but a fixed upside requires a very narrow downside.
the20year2: I'd like to think i've been more transparent with rentalstarter than most other issuers have been with their respective listings. Of course, i'm still asking if this is a possibility at any rate
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 220 @ 0.00086551 = 0.1904 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.1155 = 0.3465 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 201 @ 0.006 = 1.206 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13650 @ 0.00087755 = 11.9786 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: a possibility it is, of course, but transparency is hardly much of a qualification.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 155 @ 0.006 = 0.93 BTC [+] {2}
the20year2: With the number of companies that have outright scammed people i'd kind of expect it to at least play a partial role in future issuer plans.
mike_c: how many companies on mpex have scammed people?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00599999 = 0.408 BTC [-] {2}
the20year2: I'm not aware of any, however i'm talking about the landry list of stocks out there that have.
mircea_popescu: in general companies that can't finance themselves through stock issuance have little or no hope of placing bonds successfully.
mircea_popescu: at least i've never heard of pinksheet bonds issuance.
thestringpuller: people need to stop financing period until their business actually runs
the20year2: There's a medium sized REIT i ran into out of texas that issued bonds here pretty recently in the same way I would like to do ours
the20year2: To issue bonds in the US, up to $50m all that is required is to issue a PPM and file with the SEC in the respective investor's state
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 167 @ 0.00599999 = 1.002 BTC [-] {2}
the20year2: Then, depending on accreditation you then are limited to a number of investors
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00599999 = 0.33 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what's "run into" mean ?
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck, i go craft, check twitter half hour later, 24 interactions
mircea_popescu: how is one supposed to handle this shit
thestringpuller: you ignore them
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10997 @ 0.00088005 = 9.6779 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00599999 = 0.45 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.006 = 0.24 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: actually goes pretty fast.
mircea_popescu: most of it is just spam basically made to make one feel important.
mircea_popescu: takes about 3 minutes to cut through 25 interactions.
the20year2: at least bots think you're important
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00599 = 1.198 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: not a matter of bots, just, all interaction is split up in n atomic bits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 362 @ 0.00050899 = 0.1843 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [+]
mike_c: the gox failure has clearly been depressing ATC prices..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00088005 = 7.7444 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.00599999 = 0.372 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02289649 = 0.229 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face
mike_c: "I am most concerned that as Bitcoin is inevitably banned in other countries, Americans will be left holding the bag on a valueless currency"
Jere_Jones: "ban bitcoin" lol
ArsKisS: aaand... it's banned
mircea_popescu: what is ?
ArsKisS: wait wut
ArsKisS: bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1124 @ 0.00052998 = 0.5957 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: in pakistan ?
ArsKisS: aah
ArsKisS: you didn't see the rows before my comment
ThickAsThieves: every politician needs some aide telling him to consider what implications his comments have on the US dollar
ThickAsThieves: ban USD!
ArsKisS: [22:11:12] <ThickAsThieves> have at em boys: https://twitter.com/Sen_JoeManchin
ArsKisS: [22:11:35] <Jere_Jones> "ban bitcoin" lol
ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> look at those assholes shoving iphones in his face
ThickAsThieves: [15:09] <ThickAsThieves> lol
asciilifeform: only reason the ban isn't official yet is that ft. meade hasn't finished the beta version of the IRSCoin that u.s. citizens will be asked to trade their TerroristCoins for.
ThickAsThieves: "Bitcoin has also become a haven for individuals to buy black market items. " shit it's harder to get stuff with bitcoin than dollars now
mircea_popescu: meanwhile i'm having fun on twitter with twerps who describe themselves as "Strategy & Research"
mircea_popescu: and then do website design for a living.
ThickAsThieves: i wonder, is there a legal ground for disallowing the USG to ban it on grounds that it would destroy huge amounts of wealth for US citizens already invested?
mircea_popescu: because srsly. that's where it's aty.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves no.
mircea_popescu: the usg has the god given right to destroy any wealth of its citizens it can.
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: hemp, gold, 100 other historical examples
ThickAsThieves: i like those examples
ThickAsThieves: cuz they failed
ArsKisS: btw what do you think?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00087832 = 8.6954 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599999 = 0.3 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: ThickAsThieves, iceland government gonna scam their citizens?
ThickAsThieves: where do you see the gov being involved?
ArsKisS: afaik they gonna distribute
gx: god, that article just drives me nuts
ArsKisS: as far as i know
gx: we should ban it, because it's unstable
gx: rofl
ThickAsThieves: you dont know
ThickAsThieves: is what you mean to say
asciilifeform: national altchains are inevitable - just like the idiot national cryptosystems of the '80s-90s
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i bet you not in 2014.
ThickAsThieves: maybe so, but auroracoin isnt one
asciilifeform: as soon as these folks figure out how to diddle the crypto
mircea_popescu: not even
asciilifeform: straight key escrow is a little out of fashion
mircea_popescu: as soon as they figure out wtf they are. will be 2015 at the ealiest.
asciilifeform: it's gonna have to be something more subtle
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599998 = 0.24 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it's premined and there's a hard fork already?!
ThickAsThieves: lolroracoin
ArsKisS: ThickAsThieves, well, that knida explained :P
Duffer1: not like the premine was a lot of coins just a mere 50%
ThickAsThieves: the whole thing is absurd and insulting
gx: Before the U.S. gets too far behind the curve on this important topic, I urge the regulators to work together, act quickly, and prohibit this dangerous currency from harming hard-working Americans.
gx: jesus
ThickAsThieves: hard-working americans?
mike_c: what about the lazy americans?
mircea_popescu: gx having fun ?
Duffer1: none of that sentence made sense
ThickAsThieves: % of hard work performed by bitcoiners = .00000001
gx: i'm fucking raging
gx: lol
mircea_popescu: spam because funny :
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi Did you want to share something with the group ?
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Nope... I've read enough of your nonsense on bitcointalk to do it on twitter as well
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi I don't write on bitcointalk.
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu you are not MPOE-PR or whatever?
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi No. And why am I talking to derps who think they may put "strategy" on their bio when what they do is code websites ?
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu errrr maybe because I do both? try reading the full page before you comment...
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi Sure, most actual strategists I know advertise themselves as cooks, streetsweepers, merchandise stacking "executives" and so on
mircea_popescu: @Mircea_Popescu Didn't realise I had to get all my sources of income approved by you before I proceed. I'll remember for next time, thanks.
mircea_popescu: @TomHashemi You're from a different movie, seriously.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wrestling with pigs?
mircea_popescu: im on twitter nao
mircea_popescu: dun-dundun you're in the shitter nao
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 579.64, vol: 51250.82140218 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 566.0, vol: 34102.75551 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.2499, vol: 39495.72382802 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 595.02, vol: 338.71655363 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 574.633104, vol: 14739.30100000 | Volume-weighted last average: 576.844443971
mircea_popescu: ono! needs more 0s for volume
BingoBoingo: So Imma guess this recent drama means rally soon
mircea_popescu: kinda been rallying all day.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: Why do you waste your time with people like that? Is he some kind of uber-wealthy gateway?
ThickAsThieves: bitstamp is much less prone to "crashes" on "bad" news like this
ThickAsThieves: so glad gox is dead
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic cause i'm a fucking verbose idiot basically.
asciilifeform: new theory. twitter used by thinking people is really stego blockchain.
asciilifeform: 4 bits per word.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in retrospect, "strategy" on such venues should be taken as an indicator of consumate armchair generalship.
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mircea_popescu: i guess protecting the term is impossible, actual people doing strategy will have to find a new word
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: :-/ I don't think so, fwiw.
mircea_popescu: kids take over this one
ThickAsThieves: "After you ban #bitcoin, could you ban really hot, humid weather? It's really the most annoying weather."
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic no but w/e, he was talking at me on twitter. so i respond. and when i respond to people i don't know it highligths them to research team too, so they give me a "who's this guy".
asciilifeform: i've nothing against armchair generals, so long as they don't labour under the delusion of commanding actual soldiers.
jurov: asciilifeform that leaves obvious coinclusion about bruce schneiers recommended password solution
ThickAsThieves: "please clarify whether this ban would apply to @dogecoin also?"
mircea_popescu: when i get back a "well he makes websites" im like o great
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves droopy tits is what they should ban
mircea_popescu: big is ok but saggy nobody wants.
asciilifeform: i'm a stereotypical, unrepentant armchair general myself. even have a copy of clausewitz somewhere.
ThickAsThieves: a scourge on the nation surely
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think armchair generals are allowed clausewitz
mircea_popescu: i suppose we may mean different things by the term.
ThickAsThieves: someone should do an article on the senator that has "BTCUSD fell -1% on the news"
mircea_popescu: my armchair generals are qualified to discuss anything because they once finished a game of starcraft
mircea_popescu: and it was really hard.
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mircea_popescu: "mpex drops 1% on news of ceo wasting his time talking to idiots on twitter"
asciilifeform: i'm just a noob to the sheer magnitude of the apparent civilizational decay.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (0.00087832 - 0.0008772 )/ 0.00087832
gribble: 0.00127516167228
asciilifeform: (what's the word for what used to be a normal kid, who wants a time machine so he can get clobbered in stalingrad like a real man? 'armchair private' ?)
mircea_popescu: btw, ThickAsThieves saves the day. if bitcoin is banned we move to altcoin
asciilifeform: how many folks here were armchair privates?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't think these exist anymore, and if they do exist they're prolly girls.
mircea_popescu: wanting to starve as sufragettes or something.
ThickAsThieves: that's the plan
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: girls?! explain
ThickAsThieves: we must have an "alt"ernative
mircea_popescu: maaaaybe some kid wants to be at stonewall
mircea_popescu: without even being gay
ThickAsThieves: the senators web page crashed my Opera
mircea_popescu: (well... he's bicurious. and he thinks he might be gay)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves, at your request : Ah, che bel vivere, che bel piacere: per un senatore di qualità! di qualità!
ThickAsThieves: i requested a mexican translation?
mircea_popescu: from "il senatore di faniente", a famous opera
ThickAsThieves: lemme see if my portuguese can decipher
ThickAsThieves: nevermind
ThickAsThieves: i see my pretty
ThickAsThieves: for one senator
ThickAsThieves: maybe i should buy some rosetta stones
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: modern boys don't want time machine?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 23 @ 0.0055 = 0.1265 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00087897 = 3.1203 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0055 = 0.2475 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.1155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599999 = 0.12 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 206 @ 0.00055 = 0.1133 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ^ first post :D
mircea_popescu: ahahaha that icon is deathly cute
nubbins`: prob needs some editing, i'll take another look over it later. this is my first time writing a wiki article
nubbins`: i know hey?
nubbins`: wonder what happens if you poke his nose ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, you got any crafting done or anything ?
nubbins`: no, only got as far as the login screen. keyboard input goes to the terminal window rather than the un/pw textboxes
nubbins`: it's a work in progress ;D
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nubbins`: in other news, you can buy a fucking glass hockey skate filled with whisky now
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 43 @ 0.00599999 = 0.258 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: "The hack rates as one of the largest heists in history"
ThickAsThieves: re saying Gox lost $400m
ThickAsThieves: by what measure?
azi`: are we actually sure it was a hack?
mircea_popescu: lmao mtgox is a hack nao ?
azi`: i'd really like to know what was going on at gox
azi`: i mean, no blockchain info about the 700k bitcoins
azi`: and its unreasonable to think they lost the wallet to the cold storage thing
mircea_popescu: azi` dude, they just bundled everything together.
mircea_popescu: read that and follow the links. you'll get it.
ThickAsThieves: Havelock's response to my market cap fix request "I will keep you posted on when this will be updated and how."
azi`: doing it just now.. i am wondering if it can change my view that gox was just too incopetent to run this "get bitcoins and run" scheme
mircea_popescu: anyone know a certain Bryce Weiner ?
mircea_popescu: azi` well, let me know.
ThickAsThieves: omg someone on twitter just used "Bitcoin is not Quantum Safe, sorry." as an argument
asciilifeform: quantum safe?
azi`: mircea_popescu: so you think it's in no way related to the fact that they had some legal issues with authorities?
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: market cap deja vu..
azi`: the case reminds me very much to the case of full tilt poker, really..
azi`: they were stealing large sums of money but everything was fine until the FBI closed them down which caused a panic of withdrawals after reopening
lnovy: no order sorting? :(
ThickAsThieves: <asciilifeform> quantum safe? // ya we are at the mercy of vitalik's and jordan ash's turing quantum miners
mircea_popescu: azi` basically it's the bitcoinica blueprint rehashed.
kakobrekla: the real fear is luke jr, ThickAsThieves .
mircea_popescu: they lost some btc, kept daytrading to make it up, kept losing,
mircea_popescu: had various losses here and there
mircea_popescu: if you add it all up it's 700k btc or w/e
mircea_popescu: most of it was when btc was very cheap
mircea_popescu: so this presentation overtstates losses to make a better story.
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mircea_popescu: so today's takeaway is that idiots are remarkable territorial.
ThickAsThieves: so are cave men
mircea_popescu: on top of all the bitcoin experts in #bitcoin, #bitcoin-otc, #bitcoin-etc
mircea_popescu: and on top of all the various specialist investors on bitcointalk
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00595006 = 0.1964 BTC [-]
davout: evening all
ThickAsThieves: is there a place i can easily see who funded the most recent campaigns of a senator?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.16230094 = 0.6492 BTC [-]
nubbins`: oops, wasn't scrolled down
ll: opensecrets.org ?
ThickAsThieves: whaddaya know JPMorgan finded Manchin
ThickAsThieves: thanks ll
mircea_popescu: as i was sayin' to erik, the guy's the clown of all time.
mircea_popescu: A. James Manchin either delighted or appalled the West Virginia voters. Many people, especially senior citizens, loved the attention he bestowed upon them later as Secretary of State. He would produce a certificate with a gold star and make quite a production of just about anyone's service to "Mother West Virginia." Giving away his trademark white or black fedora to young teenage boys along the campaign trail, Manch
mircea_popescu: in was known to even pull off the road and attend funerals for people he didn't know.
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu: is it okay to copy eulora-specific content wholesale from trilema to the wiki? or would you prefer we link to articles
mircea_popescu: ideally link
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mircea_popescu: inasmuch as wiki articles are intended ot describe things such as they are, they don't sanely need much more than snippets anwyay
nubbins`: nod, true
mircea_popescu: i mean arguably eulora as-is won't match exactly the eulora as-word-of-god
mircea_popescu: hence the utility of a wiki in the first place.
nubbins`: yeah
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 196 @ 0.00595003 = 1.1662 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: so, should the need arise, it's fine to paraphrase/summarize info and link to the relevant blog post?
mircea_popescu: how come all the us presidents are wearing cheap synthetic suits ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00573791 = 1.7214 BTC [-] {8}
nubbins`: cotton/silk shortage
thestringpuller: only jay-z can afford to wear tom ford
mircea_popescu: i don't imagine they're trying to buy 50 dollar suits, so you'd expect they could afford something
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00570509 = 1.141 BTC [-] {7}
ThickAsThieves: thestringpuller, are you seriously chasing usagi for money?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 78 @ 0.00570001 = 0.4446 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 181 @ 0.0056763 = 1.0274 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00581293 = 0.5697 BTC [+] {8}
thestringpuller: ThickAsThieves: no I want to see who the other shareholders were
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 553 @ 0.00057395 = 0.3174 BTC [+] {4}
nubbins`: HIF rallymode
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.00586999 = 1.2327 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: i had a mid-december sell order get filled overnight
thestringpuller: !ticker h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00050000 / 0.00052981 / 0.00057500 (3892 shares, 2.06203014 BTC), 7D: 0.00038617 / 0.00047751 / 0.00057500 (21099 shares, 10.07507839 BTC), 30D: 0.00036000 / 0.00045198 / 0.00057500 (69588 shares, 31.45223437 BTC)
ThickAsThieves: has it paid divs?
mike_c: no dividends and no financial reports. what exactly are you investing in?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00589998 = 0.6726 BTC [+] {3}
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 100000000*.000575
gribble: 57500
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 567.67, Best ask: 568.11, Bid-ask spread: 0.44000, Last trade: 568.11, 24 hour volume: 50469.56136110, 24 hour low: 517.0, 24 hour high: 610.0, 24 hour vwap: 566.874713657
mike_c: hm, supposedly there will be quarterly dividends
mike_c: maybe that's why rally
ThickAsThieves: ;;calc 57500*567.67
gribble: 32641025.0
ThickAsThieves: HIF worth $32.6m
mike_c: there are 100m units of hif
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: i'm investing in a cut of listing fees ;p
ThickAsThieves: the rally is the Neo bump
ThickAsThieves: reddit went wild and added new users
nubbins`: this is the first time it's stayed above 0.005 for any length of time since IPO
nubbins`: i should really add "nubbins" to my highlight list
nubbins`: not everyone uses tab-complete ;(
ThickAsThieves: add nub too :)
mike_c: their prospectus says they are going to make 6,000 btc in 2014. so quarterly dividend would be..
mike_c: ;;calc (6000 /4) / 100000000
gribble: 1.5e-05
nubbins`: i added nubs. worried about false positives
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00599 = 0.5331 BTC [+] {2}
mike_c: ;;calc .00006 / .000575
gribble: 0.104347826087
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.005998 = 0.6658 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00599363 = 0.7912 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1537 @ 0.00599579 = 9.2155 BTC [+] {7}
mircea_popescu: <ThickAsThieves> HIF worth $32.6m <<< 1/10 of Bank of Cyprus ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the ` is silly anyway
nubbins`: YOU'RE SILLY
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 137 @ 0.0059 = 0.8083 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60550 @ 0.00087658 = 53.0769 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: p liked the shepherd's pie i made
nubbins`: "the key to a woman's puss is through her guts", i said
nubbins`: she suggested i write a book
mircea_popescu: everyone likes fucking people who cook well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 22 @ 0.00599 = 0.1318 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 379 @ 0.0059 = 2.2361 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.49899 BTC [+]
benkay: "u wanna get fucked? i wanna steak. i'm sure we can figure something out here."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 111 @ 0.00597 = 0.6627 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 110 @ 0.00598999 = 0.6589 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 118 @ 0.00598192 = 0.7059 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 112 @ 0.00596876 = 0.6685 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00597999 = 0.5502 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 221 @ 0.00597999 = 1.3216 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.1155 = 1.0395 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 41 @ 0.00597999 = 0.2452 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 33 @ 0.00597999 = 0.1973 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mike_c: FYI, i get a "Database error" page every time i commit an update -- doesn't seem to affect anything tho
mike_c: hm. ok, i'll check it out
nubbins`: "A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software."
ThickAsThieves: some funny pics of people looking at people's asses in there
ThickAsThieves: like half the pics really lol
kakobrekla: why is the merchant copy printed first on the terminal
ThickAsThieves: to annoy i guess
ThickAsThieves: my question would be, why is there a merchant copy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 525 @ 0.00598175 = 3.1404 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: how many suits does it take to cut the entrance rope?
nubbins`: record keeping!
nubbins`: OH WAIT
ThickAsThieves: rope has infinite hit points
nubbins`: but srs, paper trail
ThickAsThieves: so print a daily report?
nubbins`: same reason voting machines have printouts
nubbins`: (do they?)
nubbins`: i'm guessing, we use paper+pencil to vote here in canada
kakobrekla: rope can be overtaken but you need strategy, raw power wont do
ThickAsThieves: voting isnt even standardized
nubbins`: voting in usa seems like a mess
nubbins`: by design
nubbins`: to enable fraud
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0055 = 0.1045 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 456 @ 0.00599617 = 2.7343 BTC [+] {3}
kakobrekla: yes i was afraid of that.
kakobrekla: when will we see dogecoin-finds-out-bitcoin-survived-mtgox-crash
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.00599896 = 1.0198 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: when will my palm divorce my face
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.005999 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00088005 = 9.9886 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "The variety of these businesses is excellent, and a future where Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros only to pay government institutions is within sight."
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what /
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.00598 = 0.2631 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: don't tell me somebody took a text with "euro" in it and tried to s/euro/bitcoin by hand
mircea_popescu: and failed at it.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00598 = 2.99 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00598 = 0.4605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 46 @ 0.0055 = 0.253 BTC
mircea_popescu: cypriots can not currently use euros to pay taxes ?
ThickAsThieves: it's a twisty sentence that's supposed to say he thinks bitcoin can be the main means of commerce
ThickAsThieves: ah the placement of only is what;s confusing
mircea_popescu: he means "to only use euros to pay" ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1322 @ 0.00055 = 0.7271 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Greeks Anything you can do we already did better - YouTube
ThickAsThieves: i'll get it fixt
nubbins`: to only use euros
nubbins`: s/only/solely
nubbins`: "...Cypriots will be in a position to use Euros solely to pay government institutions"
mircea_popescu: well i guess the part where his feedback sources are tardtalk, tarddit and tardtweer is oddly adequate.
mircea_popescu: "can not write copy, great results from the pleb venues"
nubbins`: yesterday i learned that all that shit in the bible about speaking in tongues is pretty much only in the english versions
Vexual: wanna hear confusing, i woke up with a ticket to macau
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: in which hole?
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1663645/plain/)
nubbins`: glory
mircea_popescu: how long had you been saving that one k ?
nubbins`: he has it on trigger
kakobrekla: lol i didnt
nubbins`: okay, at the risk of yammering on about something nobody cares about
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00599999 = 0.27 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mark is chronologically the first gospel
nubbins`: not only does it make no mention of a virgin birth -- in fact, jesus is referred to as a son of mary -- but it ends when jesus dies.
nubbins`: they go to the tomb, and a young man -- not an angel -- says:
nubbins`: “Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing.
nubbins`: AND THAT'S THE END OF THE BOOK.
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ThickAsThieves: blasphemy!
nubbins`: centuries later it was felt that this was improper, because all the subsequent gospels have shit about virgin births and resurrections
mircea_popescu: not particularly novel this you know ?
nubbins`: so they tacked on an ending to it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.061687 = 0.3701 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.102 = 0.204 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: new to me ;)
mircea_popescu: kinda xtianity 101 in actual academia.
nubbins`: sadly, i wasted my university years studying science instead
Vexual: anrthropology?
mircea_popescu: history of religion too.
nubbins`: vexual, math
mircea_popescu: there's about four different humanities paths that end up there
ThickAsThieves: anyone have thoughts on LASIK?
ThickAsThieves: will i go blind at 60?
nubbins`: anthropology is actually Arts, not Science, here
nubbins`: (fwiw, math can be studied as either)
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i know some chicks that got it.
Vexual: lasers in the eye is never good tat
nubbins`: i have a few friends who tried lasik
nubbins`: they say they wish they'd done it years before
ThickAsThieves: my wife got it, but like i love my vision so much i'm scared to improve it
ThickAsThieves: she's 20/15 now
nubbins`: yeah, one friend said he has better than 20/20 now
mircea_popescu: women generally do it because there's few good woman looks that include glasses.
ThickAsThieves: contacts work too
mircea_popescu: yeah but contacts are a bitch.
ThickAsThieves: but i dont wear thos eeither
asciilifeform: everyone remembers that ancient sf story where the 'last man alive' find food and a library, and then his glasses break?
nubbins`: bummer
ozbot: Harry Potter Epilogue - Saturday Night Live - YouTube
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00088005 = 13.2888 BTC [+]
TomServo: asciilifeform: wasn't that a twilight zone episode?
asciilifeform: TomServo: maybe
asciilifeform: i distinctly recall reading it on paper though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 200 @ 0.00485313 = 0.9706 BTC [+] {4}
ozbot: Time Enough at Last - YouTube
TomServo: Yeah, it really stuck with me.
ozbot: Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma - Saturday Night Live - YouTube
mircea_popescu: check it out, emma stone playing bitcoin.
TomServo: asciilifeform: The episode was adapted from a short story written by Marilyn Venable
ThickAsThieves: not available in my country
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00599999 = 0.54 BTC [+]
wao-ender: lol that show
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you gotta be kidding me
TomServo: no kidding
ozbot: Emma Stone Monologue: Nerds Love Emma | Saturday Night Live - Yahoo Screen
ozbot: Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: http://t.co/KLdTeXC4Kb Emma ...
mircea_popescu: im putting the link here because something tells me im gonna need it a lot on twitter
mircea_popescu: and that thing is so fucking badly organised you can never find anything.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599998 = 0.12 BTC [-] {2}
wao-ender: damnit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599999 = 0.144 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: golf in Bratislava?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5778 @ 0.00088005 = 5.0849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.061687 = 0.2467 BTC [+]
wao-ender: well, funny is, that resort is just 21 km from Bratislava, not far from border in Hungary, but owned by Slovak group.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 168 @ 0.00599998 = 1.008 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.499 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.00018499 = 0.185 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 34 @ 0.00599998 = 0.204 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 9.18620878 BTC to 18`934 shares, 48517 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the best of course would be this resort five miles out of budapest owned by some slovak people staffed only with czech chicks, serving only slovenian food and with nothing but serbian customers.
mircea_popescu: i hope i covered them all.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: now that you mention it, what's your official take on the serbs ?
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mircea_popescu: i love belgrade
mircea_popescu: you ever been ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope. is it still worth going to after the great clobbering?
mircea_popescu: the great clobbering looks great especially from the us. otherwise, they have a bombed building downtown which they're pretty much preserving as is
mircea_popescu: and otherwise you couldn't tell, even in 2007
asciilifeform: i know a fellow who went, and saw the famous airplane
mircea_popescu: roads on average better than massachusetts anyway
asciilifeform: (what's left of it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: obligatory on topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1jAmL-rfXU
mircea_popescu: anyway, no, belgrade is good because hilly town -> nice asses and legs on the teens and tweennysomethings, and good nightlife.
mircea_popescu: kinda difficult to hire competent waiters in fucking topeka.
mircea_popescu: in belgrade there are people who have worked at it for three generations or more.
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mircea_popescu: "if you convince affluent & educated people something is healthy, it soon ends up correlated with health."
mircea_popescu: dude not everyone on twitter is retarded!
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ThickAsThieves: "Is Mark Karpeles buying goxcoin on bitcoinbuilder?? Huge discount could revive Mt.Gox. 50k sold in the last 3 days....hmmm"
mircea_popescu: "please care about our shitty website"
asciilifeform: re: belgrade: wonder how many americans would curl up and cry if given an uncensored tour of some place not inhabited by 'human lite' (orlov's phrase, not mine)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform generally, all.
mircea_popescu: i used to do it for sport.
asciilifeform: drag americans to see real life?
mircea_popescu: possibly the peak of it all was the one tme in NY when mugger wouldn't mug me
mircea_popescu: "just these other schmucks"
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asciilifeform: imported mugger? or homegrown american
mircea_popescu: then the street cops were like... one laughing his ass off, the other looking all suspicious at me
mircea_popescu: i have no idea, prolly local.
mircea_popescu: some random mutt
ThickAsThieves: "Sure. Just outlining that @twobitidiot is a friend of #bitcoin. His leak seems no more self-serving than @BTCFoundation"
ThickAsThieves: biglols!
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves they're new.
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ThickAsThieves: i like how bitcoin might be the first thing since Bill Clinton to get people under 35 to care about politics again
mircea_popescu: i thought occupy was that.
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ThickAsThieves: senators will know the wrath of reddit like never before
ThickAsThieves: i hope they have troll spray
mircea_popescu: do senators even know what reddit is ?
ThickAsThieves: theyll have no choice
mircea_popescu: i mean... it's like a truck right ?
ThickAsThieves: reddit is already demanding an AMA
asciilifeform: the toilet attached to the 'series of pipes'
mircea_popescu: someone should do a proper set of questions re AMA.
ThickAsThieves: you should do an AMA
mircea_popescu: "Did you ever fuck a woman hard enough to end up past her cervix"
mircea_popescu: "Was it your wife"
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i did, on something awful. they had a series of aneurisms,
ThickAsThieves: you need to work on your brand bro!
ThickAsThieves: so reddit can sum you up in 5 words
mircea_popescu: do oyu mean my band or my brand ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm cool with either
mircea_popescu: o i was getting free fashion advice from some musical talent on twitter earlier
mircea_popescu: and also strategy pointers from some webmaster
ThickAsThieves: i saw hehe
ThickAsThieves: take them suits down a notch
ThickAsThieves: too many buttoned buttons
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, it's ridiculous, we counted once. the total count of clothing items on ALL THE GIRLS
mircea_popescu: was less than the shit i wore.
mircea_popescu: i had 18 things on!
ThickAsThieves: see that's branding
ThickAsThieves: you get it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what were you wearing, plate mail?
mircea_popescu: sounds more like medieval knighting
ThickAsThieves: Mircea Popescu Slave-Driving Billionaire Benevolent 18-piece Suit Aficionado
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol. well, jacket, vest, tie, shirt, undershirt
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of crap that goes into dressing a man.
ThickAsThieves: shit i forgot to get Bitcoin in there
mircea_popescu: whereas women can get away with one sheer dress and shoes.
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asciilifeform: that's... 5 ?
mircea_popescu: "Women entrepreneurs, @Square is celebrating you with an event, & @Maggie will teach you important things:"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hat, gloves, shoes, socks, complex supports and fulcrums for my cock and balls...
asciilifeform: complex supports and fulcrums << codpiece ?!
mircea_popescu: Yet the speaking public imagines #Bitcoin gives a shit @Recode A Long Tail of Whales: Half of Mobile Games Money Comes From 0.15% of Players
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol nah. but longjohns!
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MisterE: thought we were going to have a lot more volatility yesterday than we did
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.1055 = 0.422 BTC [+]
MisterE: seems the market has already shrugged off and forgotten Mt.Cox
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1 @ 0.11749998 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Not for #WomenInTech @Jane_Barratt Is pregnancy an indicator of engagement? @johnsonwhitney @thelist @RuthAnnH"
Bugpowder: Is Mark actually using the I forgot the password defense?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD last: 135.0, vol: 0.00000000 | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 593.0, vol: 48924.47505468 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 572.93, vol: 32765.22516 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 596.0, vol: 37428.61558769 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.07, vol: 363.66288534 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 583.06265, vol: 14593.70900000 | Volume-weighted last average: 587.870330844
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: interesting re: serbo-croatian 'urban dictionary' - http://iraan.livejournal.com/426330.html
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder gotta play the entire book.
mircea_popescu: when i said they're redoing bitcoinica i meant it.
benkay: Bugpowder: sauce?
asciilifeform: 'ruska joga' (russian yoga) - to drink and fall asleep in amazing positions
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
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Bugpowder: so fucking funny
Bugpowder: On the plane back to LA
asciilifeform: or 'Лучше когда русские тебе отключат газ, чем немцы – пустят.' (better when the russians turn off your gas, then when germans open up the gas.'
Bugpowder: Time to work on my mtgox address analysis again.
mircea_popescu: albanian tourism lol
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mircea_popescu: Боснийская пирамида ya right lol.
asciilifeform: they actually have this pyramid-shaped oddity there, i'm told
asciilifeform: tourist trap
mircea_popescu: i never heard of it
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mircea_popescu: "В Америке нигга, а в Белграде – цига"
mircea_popescu: this is possibly the mother of all false friends.
mircea_popescu: they think black people are a sort of us gypsies, but heh.
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mircea_popescu: Цыганский год ahahaha ok that i've heard.
asciilifeform: 'Украинец' (ukrainian) - infected usb stick.
kakobrekla: not just a tourist trap, some people are real belivers
mircea_popescu: amusingly, romanian uses "cat's tits" to indicate superlative achievement.
asciilifeform: american 'cat's meow'
kakobrekla: i have seen them with my own eyes and ears.
asciilifeform: (where this expression came from, i never knew)
ozbot: 360 million newly stolen credentials on black market: cybersecurity firm
jurov: gpx seelling out?
jurov: *gox
kakobrekla: gox has only 1 mil
jurov: ic
mircea_popescu: in romanian it's probably cause it rhymes. tita de mita, t͡sɨt͡sa dø mɨt͡sa
asciilifeform: now that you sounded it out, i'm pretty sure i heard it as a kid somewhere.
mircea_popescu: bee's knees is also onomatopaeic so there's a thick line of that.
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mircea_popescu: amusingly : romanians are universally convinced (through the virtues of nutty p;rimary education) that "romanian is the only language which is written as it is heard"
mircea_popescu: on the grounds that "of course" t, is read as t͡s
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2010/singura-limba-care/ if you care to read about me mocking them
ozbot: Singura limba care pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: seems like everyone with at least a minimally non-braindamaged language grows up convinced of this re: the language
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2011/grafia-istorica-a-limbii-romane/ < and that re the utter pointlessness of "diacritics"
ozbot: Grafia istorica a limbii romane pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, i'd say it's a good predictor of sovereignity really.
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asciilifeform: this post was... a call to throw out 'euro' keyboards?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.103 = 0.412 BTC [-] {3}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.16230094 = 0.3246 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: if you say write ass you speak and read as it is written, i say serbian
kakobrekla: lol ass. as.
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mircea_popescu: pretty much
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla clearly your point is innvalid
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i've used the same us standard layout since the 80s.
mircea_popescu: back then it plugged into a XT
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu nah, you havent seen serbian subs.
mircea_popescu: you mean sandwiches ?
mircea_popescu: or like subtitles ?
mircea_popescu: if (no ==== yes) eval (kako is a girl)
kakobrekla: anyway, that shit is hilarious.
mircea_popescu: i can't really comfortably read serbian fast enough to watch a movie
kakobrekla: dont blame you
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.507519 = 2.0301 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 26 @ 0.00599998 = 0.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00017293 = 0.2594 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5097888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.00599997 = 0.384 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 102 @ 0.00599998 = 0.612 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.0059 = 0.2655 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 138 @ 0.0059 = 0.8142 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.471025 = 3.7682 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 634 @ 0.00461008 = 2.9228 BTC [-] {19}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 629 @ 0.0059 = 3.7111 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00599 = 0.599 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18783 @ 0.00087803 = 16.492 BTC [-]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 24 @ 0.00599997 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 482 @ 0.00599998 = 2.892 BTC [+] {3}
Bugpowder: BREAKING: Full Mt. Gox story coming... (self.Bitcoin)
Bugpowder: submitted 24 minutes ago by twobitidiot
Bugpowder: I now have all of the pieces to the #mtgox puzzle. Mt. Gox acted alone and in desperation. Comprehensive post after I lawyer up.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.10589 = 0.3177 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.06168599 = 0.1234 BTC [+]
benkay: well with who else would they be acting?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 20 @ 0.06168689 = 1.2337 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: lol he finally got through the trilema posts ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1400 @ 0.00593031 = 8.3024 BTC [-] {6}
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duduqa: Hi
kakobrekla: hello
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00087656 = 21.1251 BTC [-] {2}
duduqa: first of all, I'd like to excuse myself for some dumb stuff I might say...I have no tech nor economics formal background, interested in austrian economics as a hobbist
duduqa: may I ask a few questions?
duduqa: It seems here's a better place to do so rather than reddit or bitcointalk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.00599993 = 0.24 BTC [-]
cazalla: proceed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.47979998 = 4.798 BTC [+] {5}
duduqa: basically what would be your expectations of the consequences of a formal US government (declaraton of) ban of bitcoin. Even as noob as I was, I do not fear stuff as ~bitcoin will die~
duduqa: But would it be able to deter widespread adoption in a matter of generations?
duduqa: such as with marijuana?
duduqa: given the different dynamics of drugs and currency
cazalla: nfi, i'm a dimwit and just lurk
duduqa: what would be your expectations
asciilifeform: duduqa: generations!? usg is going the way of ck-kpss within the lives of those now living.
duduqa: asciilifeform: I think so
duduqa: asciilifeform: unpayable debt, moral degradation fueled by inflation and welfare state etc
duduqa: (brazilian here, english not that good, sorry)
cazalla: moral degradation, you'd fit in well at /pol/
asciilifeform: no one knows which politician will stand on what kind of tank and proclaim 'the former u.s.a...' but we've all seen this play before.
duduqa: asciilifeform: sorry, I couldn't understand
duduqa: asciilifeform: :)
diametric: oh no. I just discovered archive.org's 42 gig mame collection.
asciilifeform: diametric: now all that remains is to buy a 'JXD' and say good-bye to productive career...
diametric: JXD?
ozbot: Other Devices:JXD S7800B - Dingoonity Wiki
duduqa: asciilifeform: do you envision the possibility of bitpay and coinbase being shut down, as well as second market's BIT, bitcointalk and localbitcoins.com etc vanishing from america?
diametric: oh nice
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asciilifeform: duduqa: i can easily see a 'great firewall of usa' scenario
asciilifeform: use your imagination.
duduqa: asciilifeform: we are talking about a huuuuuuuuuuuuuge power, which is being the printer of the world's reserve currency
duduqa: asciilifeform: that's too much of a honeypot to let go without a good fight
asciilifeform: duduqa: in english, 'honeypot' generally refers to a trap.
asciilifeform: like a mousetrap
duduqa: asciilifeform: sorry
duduqa: asciilifeform: let me clarify...that's too much power to let go
duduqa: kakobrekla: I will carefully read, thank you
duduqa: asciilifeform: I can also imagine a scenario in which such firewall happens to take place in the EU, China, Saudi Arabia, Japan, Russia, UAE, South America etc
ThickAsThieves: fwiw I don't believe USG is capable of any meaningful banning of bitcoin
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: on the contrary, usg can ban whatever it likes. for instance, it is a serious crime in the u.s. to go to a bank and withdraw $2999.99.
asciilifeform: (check with lawyer for the current magic number.)
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duduqa: as disruptive to politics/government/central banks as bitcoin can be, I expect it to be treated and regarded as pedophilia in a short time
ThickAsThieves: i don't believe it is agile enough to anything meaningful quickly enough to matter
duduqa: asciilifeform: yep, the "it's ridiculous" argument doesn't stand in such discussion
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duduqa: ThickAsThieves: what saves us from bureaucracy is its inefficiency, indeed
asciilifeform: duduqa: expect to see many 'ridiculous' things come alive.
duduqa: asciilifeform: I see them everyday, and it drives me pretty depressed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 20 @ 0.00599 = 0.1198 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: opponents of severe regulation/banning exist
ThickAsThieves: and are vocal
ThickAsThieves: and the arguments against bitcoin bring to the table equal criticisms on the dollar
ThickAsThieves: it's very difficult to argue away
ThickAsThieves: also banning it is moot
duduqa: asciilifeform: the question i ask is "would the adoption from small places such as cyprus, or Honduras ZEDEs, or African regions be enough to bring such wealth and power to overcome bitcoin's adversaries?"
asciilifeform: the way bans normally work in the u.s. (and elsewhere) is that the infrastructure needed for a proper ban is created under the pretext of 'humane' and 'reasonable' regulation
asciilifeform: then somebody merely needs to turn the dial
asciilifeform: from 'low' to 'max'
duduqa: asciilifeform: I never played poker, so I was not aware of the tremendous resources usg spent fighting against it
ThickAsThieves: furthermore, i believe hostility towards such innovation truly will lead to exodus
ThickAsThieves: not of everyone
ThickAsThieves: just the useful people
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: do you think so?
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: where to?
ThickAsThieves: i know it would be the last straw for me
Apocalyptic: <ThickAsThieves> just the useful people // yeah as mircea said
ThickAsThieves: even Canada would be an upgrade
ThickAsThieves: it already is
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: if you're able to leave now, but are waiting for the ban... what are you smoking.
ThickAsThieves: i'm not waiting for anything but my wife to take me seriously
ThickAsThieves: put it on my grave i guess
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: did you read that document which presumably states that canada govt intends to choke bitcoin's infrastructure?
ThickAsThieves: find it hard to believe as well
ozbot: Canada Regulators Look at Ways to Get a Better Handle on Bitcoin - Canada Real Time - WSJ
asciilifeform: 'wisdom is - getting on the train one day before everybody else.' (attributed to leo szilard)
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diametric: stopping bitcoin will work about as well as stopping piracy.
duduqa: diametric: are you sure? it seems money operates under different dynamics
duduqa: diametric:it doesn't matter to you if only 5% adopt piracy
asciilifeform: btc is one thing, if you're handling u.s. dollar transactions from strangers, you'll be set up with a stoolie
duduqa: it is a whole different deal if only 0.05% embrace a currency
asciilifeform: i believe this is called 'controlled buy' by u.s. polizei
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ThickAsThieves: and what do they do about people already "in" bitcoin, yknow it doesnt require cashing out to use
asciilifeform: public exchanges are easy, defenceless targets.
duduqa: asciilifeform: exactly
duduqa: asciilifeform: localbitcoins.com as well
duduqa: asciilifeform: bitcointalk too
ThickAsThieves: they cant just erase the tech
ThickAsThieves: it exists
ThickAsThieves: assimilate or eliminate
duduqa: asciilifeform: I can easily imagine agents infiltrated in facebook groups to refrain people
diametric: duduqa: i think you'd be surprised the number of people that pirate content.
diametric: but yeah its not a great analogy
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ThickAsThieves: i already suspect major news comment sections to be riddled with fake anti-bitcoin sentiments
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: the power of issuing global's reserve currency is enormous
asciilifeform: i'll repeat what i've said in the past:
asciilifeform: invent the parachute before, not after, being thrown.
duduqa: and once we enter another bubble, a lot more people will put money into bitcoin
ThickAsThieves: we can just buy off all the politicians if we need to
ThickAsThieves: i know you dont like them, but i'd love to donate to your campaign
ThickAsThieves: in bitcoin
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: no we can't
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd
duduqa: asciilifeform: perfect
ThickAsThieves: but this senator is singing for 30k
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> ThickAsThieves: good luck outbidding the folks who print usd // he has a point
ThickAsThieves: i guess thats just whats on record
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: do you really believe those figures?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00599 = 0.2995 BTC [-]
duduqa: I am a deep believer of bitcoin/crypto's ultimate success
asciilifeform: 30k buys jpm a senator. it buys a somali 100k rounds of 7.62x39. it buys you: a toyota.
duduqa: but I ask myself if it might take generations to happen
Diablo-D3: wait
Diablo-D3: you can buy a senator for 30k?
Diablo-D3: prices have gone down
ThickAsThieves: i just have real difficulty imagining the USG's ability and story of how it may ban crypto
twizt: lol
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twizt: i thought it was 100k
twizt: min
Diablo-D3: I thought it was 1m min
twizt: nah thats congress bro
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they are able to push this "money laundering" talk based on nothing
twizt: senators are cheapp
ThickAsThieves: and what if dollar laundering
mike_c: depends what you want. if all you want is for them to send a letter, it's cheap.
ThickAsThieves: you already have fincen on record saying it's worse
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they were cynnical enough to say they dumped osama's body on the sea
twizt: ie. there never was osama
twizt: lol
twizt: ALL LIES
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: they can change oppinion as quick as Sen Schumer
duduqa: all that 6-year old plot, Obama whatching on a big screen, live...and sheeple swallowed
duduqa: what about banning a cryptocurrwhatever
duduqa: it would barely be news in Brazil
duduqa: much less a discussion
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duduqa: kakobrekla: read http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/matters-of-merchant-adoption/ and couldn't agree more
diametric: lol.. so latest story going around is MtGox's cold storage failed. As in they can't get the private keys to work properly..
diametric: I kind of want it to be that, because thats just hilarious
ThickAsThieves: Pete confuses "vast" majority with social media majority
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30011 @ 0.00087546 = 26.2734 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: I believe merchant adoption is just a malformed precursor to the 100% Pure Bitcoin Closed Loop Movement
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: don't you expect a war against usg before that?
ThickAsThieves: as in people invading US soil?
ThickAsThieves: not sure the relation you mean here
ThickAsThieves: maybe gox's coins were confiscated
duduqa: ThickAsThieves: don't you expect usg banning bitcoin before that happens
ThickAsThieves: i do not expect the US to ban it at all
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the20year1: how does cold storage fail? Do they lose the key?
ThickAsThieves: pretty much
decimation: I agree with TAT, I think the USG is too weak to actually ban bitcoin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.00053999 = 0.54 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: theyll prioritize AML at the fiat entry points, then taxation
decimation: As to asciilifeform's point about outbidding the fiat printers, I think that's quite possible in an environment where bitcoin is melting up
decimation: think owning gold in Weimar Germany
ThickAsThieves: the trick about taxation is a personally believe the IRS' grip on auditing to be a myth
ThickAsThieves: it's all automation
decimation: except if you actually get audited by a human
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ThickAsThieves: wouldnt that require every citizen to audit his neighbor?
ThickAsThieves: the work is unfathomable
decimation: oh, it would be a lottery
decimation: only the unlucky will be culled
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59542 @ 0.00087273 = 51.9641 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: more likely they sum up the amount of eligible tax deductions unclaimed against likely total of fraud and make sure they are still on winning side and call it a day
ThickAsThieves: then spend any real work pursuing Google and Apple
decimation: until there are real laws on the books it's going to be hard to prosecute bitcoin transactions for tax evasion
the20year1: is it provable/possible that gox has 740k bitcoins 'somewhere'?
ThickAsThieves: IRS would have any easier time if they adopted bitcoin really
decimation: if you pay any tax at all on your bitcoin you probably are safe
ThickAsThieves: ^ i'm not sure about that
ThickAsThieves: i suspect the word bitcoin in your taxes will put you on some list
decimation: well don't put bitcoin on your taxes duh
ThickAsThieves: better to just call it some other type of broader income
decimation: exactly. If you have records and a tax return to show you paid something, you are not going to be a target
decimation: at least, it ought to be laughed out of court
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the20year1: IRS i imagine will/can treat bitcoin just like transactions or barter
decimation: probably
decimation: supposedly they are going to issue guidance at some point
the20year1: Either they'll treat it like cash, make coinbase/kraken issue 1099Ks or make bitcoiners issue 1099c
decimation: that's where the 'land of the free' is today - waiting for government employees to issue instructions
the20year1: I was involved in a decently sized digital currency long before bitcoin, and the IRS just told them to issue 1099c to everyone who participated, the barter clause has been around for 50+ years
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ThickAsThieves: lol there's a Dota 2 official fantasy league now
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.494 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.49499999 = 0.99 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.495 = 3.465 BTC [+]
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00598997 = 0.2995 BTC [-] {2}
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ozbot: Sen. Manchin demands complete US ban on Bitcoin | Politics and Law - CNET News
the20year1: He's gonna lose his seat anyway
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 83 @ 0.0059999 = 0.498 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: good luck with that Sen
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19373 @ 0.00084702 = 16.4093 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 297 @ 0.00599998 = 1.782 BTC [+]
the20year1: he's already on the block for supporting gun control in west virgina
asciilifeform: purpose of this joker is to push 'overton window.'
asciilifeform: after him, 'reasonable, humane regulation' will slip by quietly.
Apocalyptic: makes sense
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.00599998 = 0.168 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27027 @ 0.00084702 = 22.8924 BTC [-]
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