Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans
← 2014-02-02 | 2014-02-04 → ↓
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 297 @ 0.00083988 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999994 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15999994 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8023 @ 0.00093006 = 7.4619 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12900 @ 0.00093391 = 12.0474 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.125 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00093425 = 4.1107 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00093003 = 9.5793 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7214 @ 0.00092895 = 6.7014 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00092837 = 3.7599 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.0044889 = 0.1796 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1800 @ 0.00092837 = 1.6711 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093335 = 0.6533 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11229 @ 0.00093481 = 10.497 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 750 @ 0.00093123 = 0.6984 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00093123 = 1.7693 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.00093616 = 4.0255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.24310363 = 2.1879 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5500 @ 0.00093123 = 5.1218 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 203 @ 0.00583557 = 1.1846 BTC [+] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 273 @ 0.00594777 = 1.6237 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00595629 = 1.7869 BTC [+] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00596832 = 0.8952 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.1255 = 0.8785 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.595 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1354 @ 0.00296265 = 4.0114 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1364 @ 0.00093616 = 1.2769 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00093607 = 2.9954 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00093616 = 2.3404 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.14999998 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.14999998 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00093358 = 13.9103 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.112 = 0.336 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.24310363 = 0.9724 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 163 @ 0.002975 = 0.4849 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 186 @ 0.00448889 = 0.8349 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00295445 = 0.5466 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00298499 = 1.791 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12107 @ 0.00093629 = 11.3357 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.0735 = 0.294 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.0722 = 0.4332 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 1271 @ 0.0001184 = 0.1505 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 54 @ 0.00444 = 0.2398 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.04841 = 0.4841 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02966865 = 0.445 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00093164 = 14.9994 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.112 = 0.224 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: dobr dan urh
jurov: vitaj
kakobrekla: i moved my ass to civilization btw
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00093412 = 2.9425 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.57013103 = 1.1403 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00561916 = 0.1011 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
kakobrekla: Panacea performance for January after fees: +0.12% (very calm month, only 2 trades executed)
jurov: and bitbet?
kakobrekla: dunno what mp is slackin!
jurov: or mircea does the report?
jurov: s.mg is there, so it should be in pipeline
kakobrekla: one of these days.
jurov: and then prodding mircea to pay divs :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5400 @ 0.00093456 = 5.0466 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15872 @ 0.00093652 = 14.8644 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 8 @ 0.02969 = 0.2375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2849 @ 0.00083989 = 2.3928 BTC [+] {8}
Rulother: is Freenode having issues?
Duffer1: ya man
asdfasdfsdf: "mitigating a ddos"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.135 BTC [-]
wao-ender: yeah, someone used ntp amp attack
wao-ender: afaik
wao-ender: rumors said, there was over 50GB/s
asdfasdfsdf: what's the financial motive for ddos'ing freenode? i don't get it.
asdfasdfsdf: maybe just practicing
Duffer1: nsa testing terrist disruption system
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00093663 = 3.2782 BTC [+]
jcpham: normally ddos is a cover for something else
jcpham: a smokescreen/diversion so the real target goes unnoticed
jcpham: gut hey what do i know
simlay: wao-ender: on freenode? I heard about 50 GB/s to cloudflare
wao-ender: why financial motive?
asdfasdfsdf: why else? these attacks can't have no cost
Duffer1: that doesn't necessitate financial motive
wao-ender: > someone said something to someone else on a channel that wasn't appreciated
wao-ender: best definition of attacks on ircd
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.0009326 = 11.7508 BTC [-]
Rulother__: jesus
Rulother__: I was sad to come into work to see my channel had such low attendence
simlay: Duffer1: Interesting. Riecoin seems somewhat academic to me.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.58400001 BTC [+]
Duffer1: i look forward to reading how the PoW will work
chatquack: What is this maddness?
simlay: chatquack: freenode is getting ddos'ed.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 0.34956050 BTC to 9`577 shares, 3650 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 0.61090861 BTC to 533 shares, 114617 satoshi per share
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00093193 = 2.7026 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13475999 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 29 @ 0.02969 = 0.861 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2184 @ 0.00299269 = 6.536 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.135 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 335 @ 0.003 = 1.005 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 12 @ 0.02969 = 0.3563 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.13 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10305 @ 0.00093136 = 9.5977 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8850 @ 0.00093552 = 8.2794 BTC [+] {2}
KRS-: Gribble indicted over ponzi allegations of Bitcoin. Global police task force investigating Cyber Currency. Warrants issued for Fontas, Woolong and Bobby Lee. Mt. Gox president Mark Karpeles detained in China for fleeing authorities in Japan. Fontas quoted as saying "YOU CAN'T STOP TEH PUMP". News at 11. PANIC!
diametric: seems legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 16 @ 0.08726873 = 1.3963 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.09673798 = 0.9674 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1316 @ 0.00450064 = 5.9228 BTC [+] {10}
kakobrekla: it is legit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 684 @ 0.00477418 = 3.2655 BTC [+] {17}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 371 @ 0.00499314 = 1.8525 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.131 BTC [+]
pLambert: is CFIG a scam?
Duffer1: i seem to recall hating on them for some reason or another around the time the announced ipo
lippoper: where's ozbot?
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 935.506, Best ask: 942.37, Bid-ask spread: 6.86400, Last trade: 942.9, 24 hour volume: 1846.26821808, 24 hour low: 935.0, 24 hour high: 960.0, 24 hour vwap: 945.23548
asdfasdfsdf: ozbot is busy ddos'ing freenode
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5899 BTC [+]
Duffer1: ya cfig is another havelock scam designed to lose investors money
Duffer1: it's trading at half ipo atm
Duffer1: which is shocking, realistically it's worth far less
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 170 @ 0.002984 = 0.5073 BTC [-]
Duffer1: oh wow
Duffer1: it's The Panama Fund that acquired Havelock, it's some of the same guys as CFIG
Duffer1: lots of things making sense now
pLambert: ok, I was trying to figure out what CFIG is supposed to do and nothing they say makes any sense to me
Duffer1: it's supposed to lose investors everything
pLambert: maybe it will be more clear if/when they produce a finacial statement next month?
Duffer1: meh, all we have is what they say, still no identifications, still no product
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 17 @ 0.00596848 = 0.1015 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: why do you do biz with unknown idiots
pLambert: kakobrekla: who is unknown idiots?
kakobrekla: cfig?
pLambert: oh, right
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [-]
pLambert: is anybody on havelock not an unknown idiot?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002984 = 0.2984 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: i do not know
Duffer1: i think neo&bee have released their IDs
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 150 @ 0.005 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002984 = 0.2984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.1 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.11433996 = 0.5717 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5707 @ 0.0009345 = 5.3332 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.029 = 0.116 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00093282 = 4.6641 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09333334 = 0.28 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 211 @ 0.00082355 = 0.1738 BTC [-] {2}
dub: kakobrekla: what am I watching
dub: global warming in action obv
kakobrekla: ice ice baby
mike_c: whoa. i thought you fled to safety?
kakobrekla: pic is from yesterday
mike_c: crazy. snowing here too, i think we got 3 inches!
kakobrekla: ice is the problem really, snow not so much
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003107 BTC [-]
dub: hot as fuck here
dub: 30c with 99% humidity
jcpham: last week ice storm, 2 days later sunny and 70F
jcpham: now it's almost freezing again
dub: and im in a meeting room repurposed into a lab meaning the AC is not keeping up
kakobrekla: and this is about 1km away in same direction
kakobrekla: at a different time
dub: jesus
dub: live in the sticks much
kakobrekla: its quite nice there really
dub: yeah looks it
kakobrekla: i thought we were out of power
kakobrekla: not hacking fbi
mike_c: out of power is the payback
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.12 = 0.24 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 19 @ 0.0059686 = 0.1134 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its dangerous for slovenians to do this
Namworld: Do what?
kakobrekla: the usg can build a guantanamo clone and house all 2 mio slovenians there
dub: cockmeat for all
kakobrekla: jurov come over, quickly!
jurov: why?
jurov: no you should flee asap
kakobrekla: wanna switch?
jurov: swim obver to italy or whatever
nubbins`: kako still snowing?
kakobrekla: you can also admit running bitbet while you are being tortured
nubbins`_: wait, what?
nubbins`: there
kakobrekla: nubbins` not at the moment
jurov: oh, i'll stick to running unlicensed securities
jurov: they won't torture banksters
nubbins`: better keep warm
kakobrekla: and dice games :)
nubbins`: got your power back yet?
kakobrekla: nubbins` no, i moved my ass
nubbins`: ah, i see
nubbins`: did you open your faucets a little bit to prevent frozen/burst pipes?
kakobrekla: that wont be a problem
nubbins`: oh, good. messy stuff.
nubbins`: i had a ton of friends with burst pipes in early january when the power went
jurov: here, just 200 miles away, there's only filthy slush
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4835 @ 0.0009369 = 4.5299 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: its not cold
kakobrekla: outside is at freezing point
jurov: *300miles
nubbins`: ah, no big deal then
Mats_cd03: 'Just 300 miles'
nubbins`: jurov, what's a mile?
kakobrekla: nubbins` did you see the video i posted before
nubbins`: ;;calc 300*1.6
gribble: 480
nubbins`: nope
Mats_cd03: What a world we live in...
jurov: some fancy measure..1337 feet or so
nubbins`: leet feet
nubbins`: looks like here :D
nubbins`: oh n/m, there's the ice shots
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [-]
nubbins`: ice is what fucks everything up
kakobrekla: the thickness of the thing...
nubbins`: heavy stuff
jurov: if it were deep freezing this won't happen
jurov: it needs mild freeze+rain
jurov: or mist
nubbins`: nah mist/fog eats snow and ice
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00451875 = 0.1808 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: reminds me of the massive canadian ice storm in 1998
nubbins`: we didn't get hit here, central canada got it pretty bad
nubbins`: ;;seen thestringpuller
gribble: thestringpuller was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 0 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <thestringpuller> ;;ticker
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 146 @ 0.0059686 = 0.8714 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13699997 = 0.274 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.585 BTC [+]
Namworld: You call that heavy ice?
Namworld: Looks average.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.0059685 = 0.3223 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00093305 = 12.6895 BTC [-]
Namworld: Yeah. Central Canada. I was a kid back then. I remember seeing those pylons on the news.
Namworld: By the way, you must construct additional pylons.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.13699999 = 0.411 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: we dont have any trees left
Namworld: How thick is the ice?
kakobrekla: up to a few cm
Namworld: oh, nevermind what I said then
Namworld: Looks like half a centimeter on that photo
kakobrekla: over 1 cm on that pic
Namworld: I guess I miscalculated the size of those twigs
kakobrekla: gah apparenlty ill be out of power for a week
kakobrekla: all the generators == sold
Namworld: Where are you now then?
kakobrekla: well, not at home
Namworld: That's very specific. I could never have guessed.
nubbins`: the generators were all sold by the time the snow started, i'd say
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4020 @ 0.0009369 = 3.7663 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00093708 = 8.5743 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00093544 = 4.5369 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26150 @ 0.00093373 = 24.417 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.13799999 = 0.276 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1000 @ 0.000123 = 0.123 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.57003008 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.57003007 = 1.7101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 1 @ 0.139 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.04824265 = 2.0262 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.002984 = 0.2089 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02969 = 0.1485 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.139 = 0.278 BTC [+]
herbijudlestoids: hmmm maybe not...seems ok
deadweasel: glad to hear it, kako
herbijudlestoids: (for MPOE)
ThickAsThieves: should anyone be interested, me ranting on Colored Coins (again) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg4921544#msg4921544
kakobrekla: 'fuck fuck shit fuck' would have same effect
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: good read, but this ^^
nubbins`: advice isn't given, it's taken
ThickAsThieves: you never know what lemming the lemmings choose to follow next!
kakobrekla: hows altcoins doing
kakobrekla: are we rich yet?
nubbins`: so i'm wondering if there's a reasonable method by which i could use my s.mg stock warrant as the basis for selling options
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.24310363 = 0.4862 BTC
nubbins`: seems to me like without some sort of pre-existing framework in which to do so (and afaik there is none), there's too much trust involved for it to work
kakobrekla: is there a market for it?
nubbins`: well, s.mg is pretty low volume
nubbins`: but i think in 6-12 months or so, you'll see it priced 3-4x current
ThickAsThieves: nubbins wants btct style options on mpex
ThickAsThieves: optionize all the things!
nubbins`: i don't think there's a market for it today, anyway
kakobrekla: buy shares then
nubbins`: thing all the things!
nubbins`: what makes you think i don't have any :D
ThickAsThieves: Altcoin is still waiting for its source code, though I'm wondering if we need to wait and can't just do it ourselves from the genesis block
kakobrekla: *moar
ThickAsThieves: pankakke can you save Altcoin?
ThickAsThieves: also, did benkay ever sort an estimate for altgen.io?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.131 = 0.262 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
benkay: a few months is the answer
benkay: for some of the parts
benkay: mp wants the moon, unsurprisingly.
kakobrekla: what is altgen io
ThickAsThieves: its coingen.io properly
benkay: the altcoin generation bit is pretty easily did and the exchange its own bundle o' giggles but there are performance considerations around running an arbitrary number of wallet watchers
ThickAsThieves: so it needs more people
benkay: ha
benkay: ever heard of the Mythical Man Month?
benkay: anyways
nubbins`: "surely if we divide this pizza into a thousand equal slices and gather a thousand men, it will be consumed quicker"
kakobrekla: so, bit4x just made a switch from dBTC to mBTC, which is 1:10 going to 1:1000, but i only feel 10 times richer
benkay: i can definitely arrange for btc to get burned. i don't think that's a sensible business plan, though.
ThickAsThieves: appreciated
mircea_popescu: ?ref=rightarrow ? srsly ?
dub: srsly
kakobrekla: myea, correctarrow would be more appropriate
mircea_popescu: o look who's here
kakobrekla: for the time being
mircea_popescu: dude i looked at footage, what the fuck, there's been no snow. you got a little freezing rain.
mircea_popescu: you know that's boston EVERY WINTER
kakobrekla: nah, pics dont do it justice
mircea_popescu: slovenia scam emergency
kakobrekla: srsly, its tits up
kakobrekla: up to few cm of ice on _everything_
mircea_popescu: maybe that's just its natural position...
kakobrekla: like sight unseen
kakobrekla: it fucked all the trees
mircea_popescu: sight unseen maybe, but srsly, freezing rain is no emergency.
kakobrekla: all the power lines
mircea_popescu: well... they're trees. what are they there for.
nubbins`: after it gets to a certain thickness, it's an emergency
nubbins`: ice is HEAVY
kakobrekla: my house will be out of power for a week probably
kakobrekla: same for running water
mircea_popescu: if water stopped running btw,
ThickAsThieves: will it still have a rough?
mircea_popescu: expect 2-3 weeks till they fix all the pipes
ThickAsThieves: canine slip
mircea_popescu: that'd have been "a woof"
mircea_popescu: what you said is bdsmslip
ThickAsThieves: lol, girls get so mad at girls
nubbins`: meanwhile at heavily airbrushed face
deadweasel: look at her face! she's like "whut a slanka!"
mircea_popescu: "how dares she be sexually adventurous to a greater degree than me!!11"
deadweasel: who are these naked women in your bars?
deadweasel: why do I not have this bar?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` don't hate, some people have the misfortune of falling on a running millstone
mircea_popescu: deadweasel they're more like girls than women, really.
nubbins`: well ya know. maybe that look is pity rather than contempt, then
nubbins`: "poor mash-face has to get naked to be noticed"
mircea_popescu: take this one. nulliparous.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did the ice also cover all your vowels ?
mircea_popescu: or was the language like that to begin with.
kakobrekla: is like that in all weather
deadweasel: mircea_popescu: point taken, srs tho are you giving out btc for clothing?
mircea_popescu: wow pole actually fell over iceweight huh
mircea_popescu: deadweasel moar like bitcents.
kakobrekla: not 1, like 100
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is technically btc too...
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla so that's what, like 80-85% ?
deadweasel: it's good to be the king
deadweasel: i still make them get naked with nice cheap words.
deadweasel: less successfully tho, mind you
kakobrekla: i dunno
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla anyway, great you're ok.
kakobrekla: theres about 1000 transformers damaged
deadweasel: holy shit, that's going to be a while...
dub: fucken global warming
nubbins`: dub, the climate isn't changing
mircea_popescu: yeah they got troubles. i was just making light of it because i'm an asshole in a tropical climate 70 miles away.
nubbins`: it's a lefty conspiracy
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kakobrekla: its gonna take a year+ to fix all damage
kakobrekla: and years to clean up the forrests
mircea_popescu: nubbins` dun be telling dub it's a lefty conspiracy, he's been sayin' it since b4 you were boarn, son.
nubbins`: loony lefties
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the snowdrops came out all over here.
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dub: having not followed cardano at all, any utility in it shipping with 'hardware' encrypted disk as a value add?
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asciilifeform: dub: elaborate
dub: bolt on some flash that can't be casually read without having whatever other requisite peice
dub: mp is a big fan of fde
asciilifeform: dub: if you recall, cardano presents as a disk. anything written to said disk is encrypted
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dub: oh good
asciilifeform: (pulling the flash card gets you nothing)
mircea_popescu: well... in fact it DOES get you high quality entropy.
mircea_popescu: not as high as using the thing as intended, but still.
asciilifeform: i sorta wonder if anybody bothered to read the original spec
asciilifeform: what do people think cardano is. an electric saw?
dub: hardware rng
asciilifeform: rng is simply a part therein
asciilifeform: (two of them, to be exact)
deadweasel: can my electric saw have one of those neked bar girls attached?
Mats_cd03: ozbot is dead, long live ozbot
asciilifeform: if we only wanted to ship rng, we could've done so in november. to all of six customers, or somesuch.
deadweasel: .bait
ThickAsThieves: "Since it's a SHA-256 coin, this is an interesting one to follow because the same equipment can mine it." I love the folds of irony Altcoin brings
dub: was just an idle thought 'hey since I'm lugging it around anyway, 64g of storage with better-than-a-truecrypt-volume security might be nice'
herbijudlestoids: approx how many MPOE shares on issue mircea_popescu?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 900.45241962 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 180 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: dub: 'Mark I' Cardano is USB 1.1. if you're ok with ~200kB/sec on your flash drive, you can use it as such.
dub: ack, no thanks
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids no approx. 1 bn. it's in the contract.
asciilifeform: 'good/cheap/quick pick two'
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's possibly more rng customers than gpg customers imo
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves thick, lucscious, shimmering pink folds of goodness.
asciilifeform: funny that nobody is quick to help them.
dub: we're mostly only just learning how broken existing offers are tho rite?
mircea_popescu: two clowns in a restaurant
mircea_popescu: "does this taste funny to you ?"
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mircea_popescu: dub notrly, we're mostly just reading the guardian about how fucking exciting it is to be like at the guardian. also diets.
dub: the royal unwasher we're
dub: unwashed
nubbins`: guy walks into a bar and orders a glass of brake fluid. "brake fluid?", the barkeep asks.
nubbins`: "yeah, i'm addicted," the guy says, "but i can stop whenever i want"
asciilifeform: dub: there's maybe a dozen outfits selling dedicated rngs, of various cost and quality.
Mats_cd03: i have a brilliant idea for a bitcoin venture
Mats_cd03: and i'm giving it away for free
dub: ya - 8 Ways Your Sphincter Will Tighten When You Read This Amazing Conspirace
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: so is my calculation as the P/E of MPOE to be ~55 correct?
Mats_cd03: read: bitcoin tontines
ThickAsThieves: anyone following the Open Transactions guy?
mircea_popescu: lol "royal unwasher", i chuckled.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: funny thing about ideas...
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids sounds about right.
ThickAsThieves: i like how he's not smooth at all
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves very... zoomedoutedly so to speak.
deadweasel: Mats_cd03: just's watched the simpsons tontine episode?
Mats_cd03: deadweasel: no i was thinking about the double deuces episode in archer just now
Mats_cd03: but it looks like nubbins` is rite and i'm unoriginal
dub: they made more archer? rad
deadweasel: ah yes, forgot taht one.. those two episode made me laugh harder than I have in months
Mats_cd03: kill self
deadweasel: starts to fade at the third
ThickAsThieves: "i'm gonna make servers that you dont have to trust"
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: and the div yield ~2.5%?
Mats_cd03: dub: there is also more archer... 3 eps out i belieb
deadweasel: tongiht is a new one!
Mats_cd03: i wish i had friends that would put in for a tontine
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids something like that. depends on how exactly you calculate the reference price.
nubbins`: what was it, the flying hellfish or something?
deadweasel: how do you reveal your private key to the right person when you die? holy shit, we need bitcoin TRUST FUNDS...
herbijudlestoids: so based on those numbers i calculate the "market implied annual EPS growth rate" to be 86%
asciilifeform: one could conceivably implement it as a 'dead man's switch'
Mats_cd03: i imagine it would be in escrow
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids mind that you are calculating something over a very fastly changing curve.
deadweasel: ah yes, if you don't reply to the email after a month, it's sent out
mircea_popescu: something akin to "the average value of sin(x)"
asciilifeform: every year the participants put out crypto-signed whatever, if one doesn't, his share goes in the pot
dub: hardware dead man switch
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform once the space stabilizes some i expect tontines will actually work great.
mircea_popescu: very easy to run them transparently.
herbijudlestoids: mircea_popescu: which curve is fastly changing? the earnings?
Mats_cd03: that sounds like good fun, although i'd be worried about getting killed if this wasn't pseudonymous
dub: no heartbeat for 8 hours, upload key
Mats_cd03: but i suppose thats 99% of the fun amirite
mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids many things. in jan last, there were ~7mn btc. now there's 12mn.
asciilifeform: a 'kinder, gentler' tontine, where you don't have to plug your rivals, just help them forget to check their mail
mircea_popescu: think... m3 changed by... 60% ? wow.
mircea_popescu: then there were like 3 major craters or so.
mircea_popescu: after pirate we had a 4 month freezeout which was the worst i ever saw, almost killed the s.dice ipo
mircea_popescu: it.was.bad.
herbijudlestoids: so how does that affect my calculation?
mircea_popescu: i don't think any current sovereign could survive such depression at all.
mircea_popescu: well... your calculation sits atop and intends to represent an economic reality. which is very fast chaning.
herbijudlestoids: basically all im saying is that if EPS is expected to grow ~86%p.a. then MPOE is a fair value investment, if less then its overvalued, if more then undervalued
mircea_popescu: "sin(x) is expected to be 0"
asciilifeform: well, to be fair, if the participants paid for food/housing with btc, there might've been an actual body count rather than simple whining
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: there's always this year :D
mircea_popescu: yet again one of our major strengths turns out to have been what clueless noobs imagined is a weakness.
nubbins`: what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc.
mircea_popescu: if btc had actual economic adherence in 2012-2013 we'd have been fucked with a capital CK
nubbins`: if it had adherence, maybe those events wouldn't have happened
nubbins`: did you even WATCH back to the future? ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a flattering point, but i very much doubt it.
mircea_popescu: who knwos tho. alternative pasts.
Mats_cd03: utilities being for rich entities seeking modest, secure returns, i dont see that happening
asciilifeform: at some point we'll see the destitute and desperate sell their organs for a btc or two, to pay their meters. but not soon.
nubbins`: i never really viewed the wet parts trade as a thing where sellers sought buyers.
nubbins`: what do you do, hang around a hospital?
mircea_popescu: what do you think the chinese do /
mircea_popescu: they send recruiting teams in the poor farmland, give kids laptops take their kidneys.
mircea_popescu: it's grotesque.
nubbins`: well exactly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the chinese famously hang around the town scaffold
nubbins`: buyers lead the trade
mircea_popescu: o i see what you meant.
dub: I thought they just pick a religion and use its practitioners
mircea_popescu: dub yeah but they ran out of religions meanwhile.
dub: witness falung gong
nubbins`: "who will buy my kidney" will attract nobody, because who wants the kidney of someone destitute enough to want to sell theirs?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they're selling about 100k parts a year by the latest numbers i saw.
mircea_popescu: they're not executing 1k people a year
ThickAsThieves: <nubbins`> what i want to see is a major utility announce that they ONLY accept btc. <<<< i might add "design a 100% Pure Bitcoin seal design" to my todo list
asciilifeform: by one account, ~20k/yr
ThickAsThieves: need to promote the concept
nubbins`: design a design and thing all the things
dub: nubbins`: theres a market, supply/demand and all that jazz
ThickAsThieves: you know me!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well that's where things get debated.
nubbins`: dub: sure, but the person who wants the kidney goes out and finds one they like.
dub: no
nubbins`: they don't wait for some asshole to come to them
asciilifeform: odd that there is dispute. chinese executions are quite the opposite of secret.
asciilifeform: but perhaps nobody bothers to count
Mats_cd03: 100k is incredibly low for 1.3bln
dub: harvesting facilities are in the jails ffs
nubbins`: sure, but again, that's not sellers seeking buyers
nubbins`: it's the opposite
nubbins`: buyers saying "you. right there."
dub: they have cought murican cosmetics companies red handed buying chinese skin derivatives
Mats_cd03: define skin derivatives
nubbins`: collagen sausage casings
dub: colagen
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the official figure is about 1k ims.
Mats_cd03: does anyone else hate the tv show suits
Mats_cd03: ...cause i do
dub: never heard of it
nubbins`: what's a tv show
ThickAsThieves: Mats_cd03 is a lawyer?
mircea_popescu: we're watching tv now ?
mircea_popescu: what is this, the 60s ?
kakobrekla: nope, its the 80s, irc time
mircea_popescu: if this is the 80s why do i have a beard.
nubbins`: imagine taking a 10" tablet and charging it by balancing it vertically on a male micro-usb jack
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: because growing a mustache from scratch makes you look unkempt? :D
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` that is exactly the sort of idiocy. it has all the markings.
mircea_popescu: buncha press logos ? as if anyone gives a shit.
nubbins`: right
mircea_popescu: this is billy mays 2015 edition.
nubbins`: "are you tired of not snapping off connectors inside your expensive electronics?"
KRS-: I am going Foo Manchu this month
asciilifeform: this is one of those cases where the lusers will be better off if the vendor takes the money and runs
nubbins`: i want to see five of these things plugged into each other
mircea_popescu: at least the guy had a personality.
nubbins`: with five ipads smashed on the floor
nubbins`: "convenient!"
nubbins`: "break all your things at once!"
KRS-: http://ep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-130817123929166/fu-manchu-mustache-1.jpg
mircea_popescu: that thing is actually useful.
dub: there is a retard (ipad) sized 10 key calculator in this room
mircea_popescu: you can make ~ 7lbs of crushed ice / hour with it.
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dub: I've been hilariously quipping that its more useful than the apple product to all the apple fanboys here
kakobrekla: do they still sell quick chop?
asciilifeform: everybody hates apple but nobody lifts a finger to birth a half-decent unix laptop
nubbins`: speaking of mustaches
nubbins`: here's one of my better ones:
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ubuntu could have done it
mircea_popescu: but instead they decided to go all doge
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: thats because its literally impossible to satisfy nix geeks
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: all you need is a machine with documented, well-behaved (at least to the desktop standard) components.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so that means no gnome no kde right ?
dub: die antword wannabe
asciilifeform: or, failing that, an os by the same people who bake the hw
asciilifeform: a la Sun Tadpole laptop
nubbins`: dub, this was halloween 2012
nubbins`: only ONE stranger recognized my wife and i
nubbins`: wanted his picture taken ;(
asciilifeform: someone still uses gnome or kde?
dub: pic of her as yolandi plox
dub: points if you wore the dark side of teh moon boxer shorts
asciilifeform: ah yes, the 'junkyard wars' laptop
decimation: LoL yeah it has a few extra features...
benkay: junkyard ware is all we get now asciilifeform
nubbins`: dub, unfortunately only blurry cellphone pictures exist
benkay: this means that people who care about the problem should probably invest some time and intellect into fixing it instead of waiting for a corporate sponsor like BSD does.
ThickAsThieves: for anyone that cares, #opentransactions exists
decimation: the amount of time and intellect required to reinvent the computer with non-crap is literally several lifetimes
asciilifeform: benkay: people who have never been involved in mass-producing hardware are in for some rude surprises
decimation: and it's not profitable, and it's likely you will make many powerful enemies
asciilifeform: decimation: not even talking about re-inventing computing here (that's what my blob is for...) but just a decent unixlike portable
asciilifeform: where, say, 'suspend mode' actually works
asciilifeform: and network card, etc
decimation: oh that's a more reasonable goal. yeah you aren't going to convince the junk peddlers that it's worth their time
benkay: well look asciilifeform there's digikey, there's a 3d printer, and there's a mess of hardware out there. nobody's going to mass-produce a *nix laptop but Apple, and we can't use theirs. the solution is to cobble our own together.
nubbins`: blob
asciilifeform: you use a kbd with 3d-printed keys, i'll pass.
nubbins`: you can't use theirs?
asciilifeform: the keyboard is one of the first mass hardware items to go to shit
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asciilifeform: '90s laptops still had more-or-less usable ones
decimation: what I find interesting is the "market dynamics" of the iphone/ipad vs. android alternatives
asciilifeform: no such luck now
nubbins`: my mother wears the letters off her keys within ~4 months
benkay: so what's a more tractable problem: supplying high-quality keyboards for shitty cobbled together laptops, or producing entire chassis?
decimation: before the apple junk dominated, there was actually some differentiation in the marketplace amoung android devices
decimation: now everyone makes iphone clones
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asciilifeform: on old (proper) keyboards, the letters physically cannot come off (they're injection molded, the bottom of the key is black) they just get fatter over time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what do people use these days ?
asciilifeform: 'geological' time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most recent portables have 'apple' style 'dollar store calculator' keyboards.
nubbins`: apple keyboards are a joy
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asciilifeform: on cheap keyboards (all of them, today) the letters are silkscreened on.
decimation: I love my old hp-48 chicklet syle keyboard. I wish someone would bring that back on a portable device
asciilifeform: i, for instance, would like an aluminum (or hell, if we're dreaming, titanium) kbd and chassis
asciilifeform: but this is not how mass industry works
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu i mean re gnome/kde
KRS-: kde ftw
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for others, but i'm partial to http://www.nongnu.org/ratpoison/
mircea_popescu: but we WERE speaking of others.
mircea_popescu: thought we were discussing mass mkt.
KRS-: reminds me of metro-x
dub: xfce4yfe
KRS-: dub: u are a sick man
nubbins`: if it's just the chassis holding you back, get one machined
asciilifeform: linux noobs are using various graphics-candy oddities, some probably based on gnome/kde, yes
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i prefer pigs without lipstick, and turds unpolished
KRS-: damn geeks took over market topic
decimation: the portable device mass market is full of different manufacturers, yet they all produce very similar knockoffs of the same design
KRS-: CDE reminds me of my Sun desktop days
decimation: what could drive such risk-adverse behaviours amoung the executive suites of those companies?
asciilifeform: decimation: and with virtually-identical internals
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decimation: what happens to the guy who suggests: why not try something other than an iphone clone (for instance)
decimation: I think you have a blog post about how the world is damned to repeat Job's mistakes
dub: asciilifeform: tmux?
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't a laptop by its definition ALREADY an oddity ?
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wants to hunch over a ball cooker ?
mircea_popescu: i mean i get it, executive assistant chicks with 4 feet worth of leg.
nubbins`: almost googled "ball cooker"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` laptops aren't for men. srsly. it
mircea_popescu: s like the cs equivalent of a dildo.
nubbins`: "laptop" is a misnomer
nubbins`: for example, mine's on a table
decimation: yeah here's your post on the topic, if you forgive me http://www.loper-os.org/?p=132
nubbins`: if you're going by what lazy slobs do, you could call all kinds of things laptops
nubbins`: large bag of chips? laptop
nubbins`: nintendo controller? laptop
Vexual: hooker? laptop
nubbins`: etc, etc
Vexual: you can put it on a desk but you dont have to
nubbins`: cat? laptop
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` suppose tomorrow I decide i want a diff video card.
mircea_popescu: da fuck do you do with the laptop ?
Vexual: tol up your chinese factoryies to make mini pcie stuff
nubbins`: suppose tomorrow you want rack and pinion steering on your motorcycle.
decimation: I guess that the serious lack of non-Apple competition for well-designed hardware (ie, not just Apple clones) is proof that no major electronics manufacturer is well managed
nubbins`: decimation, it's more that there isn't a market for well-designed hardware.
decimation: bah. jobs created a market
nubbins`: sure he did
nubbins`: is there room for two homemade fudge stands at the farmer's market?
mircea_popescu: decimation perhaps it's proof that apple hardware is not well designed.
decimation: heh that's also possible
nubbins`: there's that, too
nubbins`: for example, look at those time capsule things
mircea_popescu: would you say the lack of coca-cola competition for healthy fizz drinks proves no major pharma company is well managed ?
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decimation: either they are not well managed or the zombie hordes in the US would prefer not to think
nubbins`: anyway, apple hardware is well-designed visually, sure
mircea_popescu: decimation apple has unmatched strengths in marketing and advertising
nubbins`: i was about to say "but it's not like they're fabbing custom chips"
decimation: they used to be a joke back in the clone days
mircea_popescu: this is strictly because apple had at the helm for a decade+ a person who actually understood how worthless advertising is, and just told the horde to get fucked
Vexual: they worked out to patent connectors
mircea_popescu: if you only buy +ev packages for 10 years and have the bankroll to buy anything, eventually you end up king of the hill
mircea_popescu: which indeed they are
mircea_popescu: think about this : all OTHER mass market folks need to PAY celebs and producers to get product placement
mircea_popescu: apple gets this the other way around : the SHOW itself wants to gain value from the association.
mircea_popescu: that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: no design involved.
decimation: but how do you create stuff people want? I submit (like ascii) that it can only the product of one mind who has the power to dictate the result
Vexual: :usb
nubbins`: decimation: you convince people that they want it.
nubbins`: aren't you listening? D:
mircea_popescu: to create product you can sell in the 1990s us, you create something that people CAN IDENTIFY and push their want buttons. is all.
mircea_popescu: they don't have to want anything.
mircea_popescu: what you take for "good engineering" is really just what nintendo was trying to do with the "game cube".
mircea_popescu: ie, it's a cube. basic geometric shape. "herp derp i can recognise this in my surroundings"
Vexual: works in micro tatami
mircea_popescu: it's more important that they were all black
decimation: So your goal, as a businessman, is to get the big dumb blob of the population to be able to recognize your widget
mircea_popescu: than absolutely any actual design decision involved.
decimation: everything else will follow?
mircea_popescu: decimation well, don' go fighting the war of the past.
mircea_popescu: the 1990 us (lots of people with lots of welfare money to throw around) is not coming back. ever.
decimation: that's true. it was a unique time
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mircea_popescu: you can feel it, in retrospect. all this govt money everyone had... greatest party of all time.
mircea_popescu: party's over, but yeah, that one chick with nice tits that took her top off... what a hoot.
Namworld: Time to clean up now
mircea_popescu: what was her name, peaches, rosy, eve ? something with apple in it maybe.
decimation: Perhaps the 1960's-90's will be regarded as the peak of "us civilization"
mircea_popescu: the peak of us civilisation was the golden generation
mircea_popescu: not yet matched, and no more time.
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mircea_popescu: s/gilded/golden
mircea_popescu: i guess i went a little circular there lol
nubbins`: life's like that
decimation: I was a little confused. In the us, this is a forgotten part of our history in the popular mind
mircea_popescu: yeah, well. the people whose retarded children followed lincoln in his nazi adventure.
asciilifeform: re: 'what market wants':
mircea_popescu: it'd have blossomed again, im sure, but europe bleed it twice in 50 years
mircea_popescu: and then... here we are.
asciilifeform: 'do Americans want three-ring binders,
asciilifeform: and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever
asciilifeform: number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help
asciilifeform: them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they
asciilifeform: really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of
asciilifeform: the information they receive?'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
decimation: Indeed, what is interesting is that how little of the communism that had taken over Europe in the late 1800's had actually affected America
mircea_popescu: the us was quite healthy yet, even in 1880.
mircea_popescu: course... you're quite healthy "yet" the day after you've fucked all the girls at the pit stop too.
decimation: I mean, the election of 1886 was about whether there should be a silver or gold standard - and the gold won!
Vexual: maybemoreso than 110 y later
Mats_cd03: is there more silver or gold in existence
Vexual: silver
decimation: silver (on planet earth)
Vexual: tin
decimation: that's why the democrats wanted to adopt the silver standard - it would be extremely beneficial to the "little people" - debtors all over the midwest
asciilifeform: sad fact is, if you want, for one reason or another, a portable unix box with a metal chassis and working suspend mode & peripherals, you're stuck with apple.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 about 100x more silver.
mircea_popescu: decimation planet earth is not really far off the universal average is it ?
decimation: I donno, i'm just being pedantic
mircea_popescu: i vaguely remember that earth is actually "reasonably" representative of the actual unviersal distribution of elements.
decimation: ascii I want something that has a reasonable off-line backup system that will restore from an external drive, like time machine
asciilifeform: decimation: what's wrong with dd=/dev/yerdisk of=/mnt/somewhere
mircea_popescu: Vexual actually, on earth iron and nickel are, not tin.
Vexual: reasonable meaning that we are here and can see about 100 meteres across the shere of earth if it were the universe
mircea_popescu: they're nuclear ends.
decimation: well, that's fine if you want to ensure your system isn't modifying files while you write the clone?
Vexual: exactly not elemantal
mircea_popescu: i suppose you acquire all kernel locks
mircea_popescu: OVER 9000
asciilifeform: if you don't feel like taking the box down, there are clever ways
KRS-: Anyone going to the Berlin Bitcoin conference, PM me for 20% discount code.
Vexual: how much is a ticket?
KRS-: idk
nubbins`: did i tell you guys about the coworker i had who used time machine for version control?
decimation: Perhaps it would be integrated into your suspend feature :)
nubbins`: "i don't like svn", he said
decimation: seems reasonable <sarcasm>
nubbins`: he never fucked anything up
KRS-: If anyone is lending on BFX I could use some swap for almost 600 LTC.
KRS-: ;;seen sturles
gribble: sturles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 4 days, 18 hours, 38 minutes, and 36 seconds ago: <sturles> I've upgraded my clients to latest git. Not forwarding or mining silly dust spam any more.
KRS-: fawk
decimation: well ascii, part of the problem with your lack of unix laptop is that there aren't any unix hardware manufacturers anymore
decimation: does oracle still make servers?
asciilifeform: this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw
nubbins`: does oracle still anymore?
decimation: yeah, laptops are going to require some level of hardware/firmware/driver integration
benkay: ;;calc 0.8*24*365
gribble: 7008
nubbins`: decimation: how about HP :)
decimation: it seems there would be a market for a "rhel laptop" like the tadpole was for sun though
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> this isn't really an issue with full-scale machines, where you can mix&match hw <<< shit, laptops just got killed.
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asciilifeform: to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war
decimation: HP was killed by idiots who were drunk at the party in the 90's MP mentions
nubbins`: well y'know.
asciilifeform: (even if this is approximately true, the devil lies in the remaining cases)
nubbins`: did they EVER have a "unix laptop"?
nubbins`: did ibm have AIX laptops, did sgi have IRIX laptops, etc
Mats_cd03: chromebooks are about as good as its going to get imo
asciilifeform: if i recall, there was even an Alpha laptop once.
nubbins`: i'm not so sure this "unix laptop" thing ever existed, aside from a few isolated instances
nubbins`: Mats_cd03, chromebooks are essentially dumb terminals
Mats_cd03: ya i know
asciilifeform: nubbins`: chromebook can be diddled into some semblance of general-purpose usefulness, with some sweat
Vexual: whats wrong with a raspi in a lunchbox?
Mats_cd03: fuck me but i actually like that
asciilifeform: (zap the google crap)
benkay: ;;calc 0.8*24*30
gribble: 576
asciilifeform: Vexual: keyboard, battery, display
nubbins`: asciilifeform: so can an OLPC ;p
Mats_cd03: im at the stage where i know a lot about netsec but very little about practical mitigation of threats
Vexual: i thought thats what all the kids had now
Mats_cd03: so having a chromebook to do things that might be sensitive is great
Vexual: build the rest with arundio
decimation: well, if you want to DIY laptop you might as well join up with bunnie, at least he is going with open/auditable firmware
Mats_cd03: if i'm really, really worried about getting pwned i guess i could use a raspi with a usb drive to bridge the air gap
asciilifeform: Vexual: if your idea of a portable computer is a briefcase with a tv and raspi, more power to you
decimation: although that doesn't detect chip fiddling
Vexual: im happy with my 701
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asciilifeform: ibm 701C? the one with the folding kbd?
Mats_cd03: im sure it exists but i havent seen malware that targets both armv6
decimation: except your "raspi" is closed hardware with binary blob fimrware
Mats_cd03: and x86-64
asciilifeform: gets better
asciilifeform: raspi cpu has a whole separate core
nubbins`: wait, so now we're looking for a laptop with all open hardware?
nubbins`: jeez
asciilifeform: running a weird undocumented instr set (!) blob at all times
decimation: well it was probably meant for phones/tablets to run the RF stuff
nubbins`: just call up that company whose laptops RMS uses
asciilifeform: it's like someone held a contest, 'make something even more dubious than an intel box'
nubbins`: and ask them to do a bespoke one for ya
Vexual: asccilifeform: eeepc
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to say that laptop is unnecessary is like supposing that nothing smaller than a squad machine gun is of any use in war << this is facually true
decimation: I donno, qualcomm is probably more scummy than intel
asciilifeform: bought an 'eeepc' once, threw it out in disgust
mircea_popescu: you ever seen anyone with a .38 ?
nubbins`: hm, this tadpole used openvms?
Mats_cd03: i used to own a S&W revolver what about it
decimation: here you go, a history of sparc portables http://www.sparcproductdirectory.com/portable10.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for some reason no one is in a hurry to dispense with man-portable arms
mircea_popescu: did you win any wars with it Mats_cd03 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform man portable != woman portable.
mircea_popescu: i can carry my mothrfucking crt.
nubbins`: afaik they give pistols to suspected heroes
asciilifeform: the 'two airplanes' theorem applies
nubbins`: so they can drunkenly stagger towards enemy snipers firing shots
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: nah i never fired it, it was an antique i saved for home defense
nubbins`: while they bleed out
asciilifeform: 'what can two planes do, that no single plane, regardless of cost, can do? be in two places.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you shooting a .38 in each hand > me with my .5 DE ?
mircea_popescu: there is an absolute limit to the smallest firearm usable on a battlefield. so in computing. the laptop is below that limit.
asciilifeform: but note that DE, rather than Maxim
Mats_cd03: only if you turn both pistols sideways
asciilifeform: because you'd still like to move around with it
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 and spin while screaming.
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Mats_cd03: you'd kill 6 whole gangsters, i seen it
mircea_popescu: i saw that movie too!
mircea_popescu: i think that's how they started calling them "molls"
Mats_cd03: now that we're talking about firearms
Mats_cd03: i want to tell all of you that live in murica to buy an antique handgun
Mats_cd03: no need to register it if you leave it at home
nubbins`: i'm not so sure that "computing" is a battlefield
nubbins`: handguns work fine for domestic disputes
nubbins`: bar fights, even
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you do have a good point there in principle, but im not so sure the laptop resolves the movement problem.
Mats_cd03: 9/10 on scale of intimidating crackheads and drunks off your property
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: afaik, in most u.s. states nobody has to register anything short of machine gun
Vexual: flingin crts with one hand workls too
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nubbins`: haha ^
Mats_cd03: i live in the union so theres lots of regs everywhere
Mats_cd03: i rented an AR-15 once in san diego
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Mats_cd03: theres this regulation that assault weapons have to be sold with this special magazine release
Mats_cd03: so you end up using a fucking pen to pop your 10 round mag out
Mats_cd03: mindfuckery
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: used to be that you could pop those open with an unspent round, but the regulations were changed, if i recall
Mats_cd03: its like this
decimation: I think the new thing is that the next magazine has a key to pop off the last one
Mats_cd03: if i'm going to shoot up a mall i'm going to find the biggest magazine i can find, prob 40 rounds, and then i'm going to get a weapon that takes less than 5 seconds to reload
Mats_cd03: some regulations about a 10 round magazine and mag release fuckery ain't gonna stop that
Vexual: regulations changed in australia, now we have more unlicensed guns than the bad parts of la
asciilifeform: i still don't get the preoccupation with 'postals.' biggest postal body count to date still belongs to the fellow with the jerry can
ozbot: Happy Land fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Vexual: everyone handed in their crts tho
asciilifeform: CRT banned in australia?!
ozbot: San Francisco Targets 'Repair Kits' That Skirt California's Gun Magazine Limit - Hit & Run : Reason.
decimation: PLEASE NOTE: CA-Legal Magazine Repair / Rebuild Kits are to be used to 1) repair or rebuild your existing legally owned high capacity magazines or 2) permanently block to 10 rounds or 3) store in a disassembled condition for use outside of California. They are not intended for reassembly into new high capacity magazines, which would be a felony under California law.
Vexual: asciilifeform: supercession seems to work better
ozbot: BitBet, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
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benkay: wow a significant month for bitbet without significant donations
benkay: bitbet not scam?
asciilifeform: decimation: these folks will probably end in the gasenwagen. see the infamous 'shoelace machine gun' precedent.
mircea_popescu: benkay it's still a scam, but this month more quoting wikipedia less quoting trilema
decimation: the list of unapproved submissions is likely hilarious
asciilifeform: during 'prohibition', there were folks who sold stills in parts, with detailed instructions for 'what not do to' with them
nubbins`: "Upon further review, we have determined that the string by itself is not a machinegun"
nubbins`: lelel
asciilifeform: this doesn't fly today
decimation: lol the shoestring
mircea_popescu: González was charged with 174 counts of murder—- two for each victim—- and was found guilty on 87 counts of arson and 87 counts of murder on August 19, 1991. For each count he received the sentence maximum of 25 years to life (a total of 4,350 years). It was the most substantial prison term ever imposed in the state of New York
decimation: how can the guy who signed that letter face himself in the mirror
mircea_popescu: this "counts" bs the us does still boggles.
mircea_popescu: he did ONE thing.
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asciilifeform: the string was acquitted, but woe be unto anyone caught with an original 'ak' sear
mircea_popescu: there can't be "counts"
Mats_cd03: is there context for the photo on trilema
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: unfortunately there's no separate crime for "killing 87 people"
nubbins`: and what sort of justice equates the killing of one with the killing of dozens?!
Mats_cd03: ive spent five minutes now just examining the man's beard and the other guy's arm hair
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's killing.
decimation: why not just convict on one "count" then, and if you want him to suffer more, convict him of the next?
Mats_cd03: nubbins`: judaism?
mircea_popescu: there is a crime of "murder"
nubbins`: sure, yes.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 which one ?
nubbins`: and he committed the crime 87 times, they say
Mats_cd03: at the top
mircea_popescu: o, the header ? me with some local kids in a bar
Vexual: did you win?
asciilifeform: they're stuck with the monotony of allowed punishments
mircea_popescu: counting fiat.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you can't commit the crime x times, unless you do x things.
asciilifeform: in the old days, you could have your breaking on the wheel 'commuted' to mere beheading, if there were 'extenuating circumstances'
mircea_popescu: he did one thing. it's one crime.
nubbins`: sure, but if i go to a pizza place and eat a full pizza, do i get charged for one slice?
mircea_popescu: Vexual yeah.
nubbins`: i only ate one meal
Mats_cd03: i propose a new system of justice
decimation: public hangings ought to be mandatory viewing for the entire population
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what is this, the market ?
nubbins`: for our purposes, sure
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mircea_popescu: nope. if eating is punished, you ate, you get punished.
mircea_popescu: if you eat twice, maybe you're punished twice.
asciilifeform: decimation: public hangings were, afaik, always and unambiguously 'cash-positive' and in-demand
nubbins`: okay, so i left my wallet at home
Mats_cd03: convicted felons will now scrape gum off sidewalks
mircea_popescu: but if you ate once you don't get "one count of eating an olive, another count of eating another olive" bs.
mircea_popescu: and besides, they run concurrently anyway.
nubbins`: do i have to wash the same number of dishes as the guy who only ate half a pizza?
Mats_cd03: that might keep lifers busy
mircea_popescu: 43985734987984357 counts of 5 minutes = 5 minutes in jail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: u.s. judges can select concurrent vs. consecutive
mircea_popescu: only cause teh us is completely in wtf mode.
Vexual: no
mircea_popescu: i'm in jail, i'm in jail. it applies to all possible reasons i might be in jail.
mircea_popescu: there's not a "now for x, tomorrow for y" bs.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: same punishment for striking one person with your car vs driving through a crowd, mowing down dozens?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` yup.
mircea_popescu: unless there's a special law for 3 people, murder is murder.
nubbins`: don't you suppose that would encourage people to just keep on driving after they've struck someone?
nubbins`: "fuck it, i never liked bill"
mircea_popescu: it can be manslaughter or aggravated murder, but it is an offence.
asciilifeform: 'might as well hang for a sheep as for a lamb'
mircea_popescu: nubbins` do you suppose the 4955th year discourages anyone ?
nubbins`: "actually this whole town is full of nerds"
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i don't suppose the punishment discourages anyone who commits an offence
nubbins`: by definition, it hasn't
mircea_popescu: "dude, 2500s i don't care about so much but i gotta see superbowl #1955"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'geological time' sentences, if i recall, serve a mundane bureaucratic purpose
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda what i'm pointing out here. it makes a laughingstock of the process.
asciilifeform: they eliminate parole in jurisdictions where the judge cannot (or for political/historical reasons) won't do so.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: prisons get paid in advance? ;p
asciilifeform: 'yer paroled but got 3000 yrs to go'
mircea_popescu: i don't dispute the system works.
asciilifeform: '1000 off for good behaviour'
mircea_popescu: i affirm the system is fucking microsoft windows.
asciilifeform: that, it is.
Mats_cd03: the process has always been a laughing stock, we just invented the internet recently and tell each other about it
mircea_popescu: all i'm sayin'.
asciilifeform: for that matter,winblows itself is a good cultural portrait of the civilization that shat it forth
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 the civil law is actually a lot saner
nubbins`: so i come home to find my wife in bed with another man
mircea_popescu: until you get to business and commercial matters.
nubbins`: shoot one of them
mircea_popescu: then... forget it.
nubbins`: i might as well just shoot the other one, and my daughter too?
Mats_cd03: it has been an adversarial judicial system its entire existence...scalia agrees on this account
nubbins`: MAKES SENSE
mircea_popescu: nubbins` fun fact : guy did this in timisoara ~5 years ago. he was acquited.
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Vexual: get a new woman and stay free
Mats_cd03: i mean fuck they're pitting lawyers against each other, someone is going to get fucked and its not the prosecution
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: sometimes the prosecution gets fucked, but they don't really have to pay the bill when it comes
decimation: why is it considered horrific to broadcast hangings in the US, but not horrific to broadcast "fiction" featuring people murdering regularly?
mircea_popescu: decimation why is it considered horrific to show kids nipples
Mats_cd03: cause its not, like, real, dude
mircea_popescu: is what i want to know.
asciilifeform: decimation: it's worth your time to read about how and why public hangings went away
asciilifeform: it was 'moralists.' too much fun
decimation: yeah do you have sources
decimation: We can build a kingdom of God on earth, if we just pile up enough chairs...
asciilifeform: 'Edison and the Electric Chair', Mark Essig
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was it because hangings got too close to masturbation for the victim ?
mircea_popescu: U.S. intelligence agencies last week urged the Obama administration to check its new healthcare network for malicious software after learning that developers linked to the Belarus government helped produce the website, raising fresh concerns that private data posted by millions of Americans will be compromised.
ozbot: The Belarusian Connection | Washington Free Beacon
asciilifeform: hangings in the 19th c. were apparently quite stimulating to the audience.
nubbins`: asciilifeform, gore is essentially porno
nubbins`: belarus, they make nice coins
decimation: Belarussian hackers probably have unique insight in how to create proper communism
asciilifeform: no gore as such, even. never having attended a hanging, i've no idea why the audience creams its pants along with the fellow dancing the hempen jig
mircea_popescu: belarus is like.... putin's canada.
asciilifeform: but there it was.
nubbins`: well sure, but a technicality
nubbins`: humans get off on vulnerability
nubbins`: this is why they enjoy humiliation, torture, gore, etc as well as sex
nubbins`: and why all those things have a habit of getting tangled up with each other occasionally
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this would explain the fact that everybody loved a good impalement, etc. in times gone by. but hanging? seems boring.
nubbins`: it's a power thing
nubbins`: consider the age of 1-900 sex chat
nubbins`: nothing to even look at
nubbins`: countless buckets of cum
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nubbins`: or a room full of dudebros swapping stories of tricking women into having sex or beating up nerds
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
nubbins`: vulnerability
nubbins`: even thinking about it gets people riled up
nubbins`: doesn't even need to be witnessed
nubbins`: the wetness of an impaling is just icing on the cake
nubbins`: a hanging will do just fine
nubbins`: and in a pinch, a recollection of the hanging
mircea_popescu: so why'd spanking go out of fashion ?
nubbins`: it didn't
nubbins`: do you even pornography?
mircea_popescu: so when's the last time you gave the missus a good spanking ?
mircea_popescu: plan on doing her children weekly or anything ?
nubbins`: i'm not saying everyone in the town was jacking off at the gallows
nubbins`: nor is every man a steroid-riddled ape shouting "HURRR" and slapping a woman's ass purple
nubbins`: just that these are common enough things that share a common characteristic
mircea_popescu: so the proposition here is that the same process took out hangings and spankings ?
nubbins`: no, that the same process made them popular in the first place.
nubbins`: propriety brought both out of the public eye
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mircea_popescu: as a non-steroid riddled non-ape that has slapped bucnhes of butts purple i tell you i see no appeal in hangings at all.
nubbins`: sure, and some who eat beef don't eat pork
nubbins`: some men prefer blondes
mircea_popescu: but... pork and beef are still eaten
nubbins`: and people are still executed
mircea_popescu: some who care for antique vases don't care for antique knives ?
Vexual: and the whisky is arely in another castle
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: sure, and the same attraction to items from a time past is what brings people to collect both
mircea_popescu: maybe there's something here but perhaps too complicated to easily detach
nubbins`: this all stems from a quip, really
nubbins`: consider another angle: humans are driven to have sex because of sexual urges. doesn't mean all humans want to have sex with both genders
nubbins`: some prefer one, some the other, some both. but the motivation stems from the same source
mircea_popescu: which quip, the vulnerability ?
mircea_popescu: afaik women kinda throw up at it.
nubbins`: "gore is basically porno"
mircea_popescu: a, a. they're both taboo transgressive, but i doubt they're the same thing really.
nubbins`: sure, a stretch
mircea_popescu: the hunter enjoys seeing gazelles gutted and females fucked.
nubbins`: but the common taboo is vulnerability
mircea_popescu: doesn't actually mean either women are goats or fucking is gutting, i dun think
nubbins`: point i was making, i guess, is of course people jacked off at hangings
Vexual: it might mean you can't shoot a dove if it's nesting
mircea_popescu: how is vulnerability a taboo ?
nubbins`: i'm sure there were people jacking off in the theatre when you saw "consent" or w/e it's called
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you should hire Vexual to do atc shilling i tell you.
Vexual: incase some brave housecat is deprived of duck milk?
nubbins`: the vulnerability itself isn't a taboo
nubbins`: the arousal from it is
nubbins`: guilty pleasure
nubbins`: "i'd sure hate for that to happen to me" as one gleefully watches
nubbins`: not too gleefully, though
mircea_popescu: nubbins` http://trilema.com/2010/imaginarium/ that's how a theatre looks when i go.
nubbins`: looks like a lecture hall
nubbins`: ^ disregard, that was a useless statement
mircea_popescu: it's actually an old style cinema. built in the 70s, like 1100 places
Vexual: they you have some balkan craftsmen alter the stage
nubbins`: you really did have a lot more comments when you posted in romanian, huh
mircea_popescu: nubbins` about 90k over ~3-4 years, 20 a day or something
mircea_popescu: romanians still comment and so on, the english speaker is pretty blaze.
mircea_popescu: i doubt people comment once per 100 articles they read.
nubbins`: in the english-speaking world, website comments are generally considered to be the lowest form of discourse
mircea_popescu: kinda silly, at least on trilema. but hey.
nubbins`: just below bathroom graffiti
Vexual: romania was catapaulted out of opression with the internet
mircea_popescu: i blame disqus and google for it tbh
nubbins`: someone showed me a picture of a bathroom with "dick surgery or die" written on the wall
nubbins`: recognized the bathroom, to this day have not found the writing
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nubbins`: mircea_popescu: i blame news websites
mircea_popescu: no, because those exist in romanian too and they're just as dumpster-y.
nubbins`: they're great if you want to know what idiots and bigots think on a given topic
Vexual: id be scared shitless if i read that in lumberjack country
Vexual: if i ever go to canadia im shitting in the snow
nubbins`: you know we have toilets here
nubbins`: real ones
Vexual: as in not truck stops?
ThickAsThieves: i always thought maybe people like horror and spanking and sci fi and apocalypse because of depravation from survivalistic lifestyle or something
nubbins`: truck stops, we have
ThickAsThieves: hunter with no need to hunt
nubbins`: no squatter toilets tho
mircea_popescu: you mean deprivation or depravity ?
ThickAsThieves: deprivation, sry
ThickAsThieves: hunter with no need to hunt, caregiver with nothing to care about
nubbins`: popularity of disaster/apocalypse stuff is more a product of the times
ThickAsThieves: smack, horror, boom
Vexual: gonna happen more when a human can't find a square mile to themselves
nubbins`: but sure, thrills are thrilling for those who don't get thrilled much
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Vexual: waking up is a trhill for me
nubbins`: not me
Vexual: fuck mano -10 would take my breath away
nubbins`: it's fine if you're dressed for it!
nubbins`: Canada Goose parkas are really popular here the past few years
Vexual: breathing it in would be like a menthos marbolro
Vexual: except herero
nubbins`: not because they're necessary (srsly, an expedition parka at this latitude?)
mod6: dealt with -20 (or worse) all January.
nubbins`: but because famous people wear them when visiting canada
Mats_cd03: why the fuck does FX show archer at 3AM EST
ozbot: [Mpex.co] The Scientology of Bitcoin Finance?
mircea_popescu: check this shit out.
Mats_cd03: praise to ozbot
mircea_popescu: mpex will cease to exist because some pick up artist said things at some conference.
ThickAsThieves: okay i watched the video
mircea_popescu: he doesn't know about how mpex ceased to exist in 2012 because nefario said things at another conference.
nubbins`: well it totally happ... wait
Vexual: did he stutter?
ThickAsThieves: and it doesnt add up
mircea_popescu: and at least at THAT one even rms showed up
ThickAsThieves: Open Transactions is, from what i can tell, a server-distributed ledger, based on last signed & verified receipt
mircea_popescu: i look forward to anon forum derps explaining how mpex will sitll be ceasing to exist in 2025
mircea_popescu: because some yet another social media nobody is saying things.
mircea_popescu: saying dude. if only i knew saying is what makes this world run.
Mats_cd03: .bait
Vexual: mp are you jimmothy?
Mats_cd03: .bait
Mats_cd03: mp is every poster in that thread
Vexual: i wonder if i could melt jimmothy
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 dude stop ruining my well laid out plans.
Vexual: six years of sloths suck oughtta do it
Mats_cd03: mircea_popescu: well... youre not OP right? that would be a master stroke
mircea_popescu: open penis ?
ThickAsThieves: closed heart
Mats_cd03: google search for "years of sloths" yields 2 results
Mats_cd03: what the fuck does that mean
mircea_popescu: but it is kind-of funny that people with a clue suspect me of actually sockpuppeting as "mah enemies" on various sm sites.
nubbins`: op/ch
mircea_popescu: if those dorks knew that they're in fact working for me for free they'd prolly have a 2nd aneurism
nubbins`: i lel'd
Vexual: its kinda funny that people with a clue think i have a clue
ThickAsThieves: seems they dont know even when you tell them, so youre okay
Mats_cd03: the trick is to fake it until your fist is in their colon
mircea_popescu: recall that guy snackman ? "o, bitbet is screwed, i will spend a month saying bad things EVERYWHERE, like on places that matter such as reddit"
Vexual: that never works mat
Mats_cd03: then they're your sockpuppet... colon puppet... sort of
mircea_popescu: suckpuppet ?
mircea_popescu: there's like... sock puppets, when you make the account and use it to further your interests
mircea_popescu: then there's suckpuppets, when random derps make the account to spite you
Mats_cd03: suckpuppet might work, although that just made me recall the auditory sound of a fist leaving an asshole
mircea_popescu: and end up helping involuntarily.
nubbins`: ah, i just got reminded of eskimobob
mircea_popescu: well that'd be an adequate fx.
Vexual: by jimmothy nubs?
Mats_cd03: slurrrrrp
Mats_cd03: is the sound that would make
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 no it's more like a slpop
Mats_cd03: i havent seen enough fisting videos to refute your claim
Mats_cd03: you win
nubbins`: Vexual, his name was brought up in the mpex scientology thread
mircea_popescu: i don't think i've ever seen a video
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you're too young to recall ciuciu huh
nubbins`: i have
Mats_cd03: so fisting is a regular event in your life then
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, before my time
mircea_popescu: well not so regular, but you gotta try things once in a while.
nubbins`: ~nov 2012 i started dabbling
mircea_popescu: lemme see if there's a pastable bit
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nubbins`: didn't quit my job til feb 2013
Vexual: fired yet?
nubbins`: so there was a period of like 4 months there where i wasn't much in tune with everything
Mats_cd03: the human colon is a remarkable thing
nubbins`: Vexual, i've never been fired
nubbins`: never been broken up with
nubbins`: only good things happen to me
Mats_cd03: i wonder how many of my daily accessories i could fit in my ass if i tried
Vexual: yeah but you're were a boss at birth
nubbins`: after a fashion
Mats_cd03: lets see... gum, wallet, phone, hand sanitizer, moleskine, pen,
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13437 @ 0.0009283 = 12.4736 BTC [-]
nubbins`: hand sanitizer, seriously?
mircea_popescu: guy was on my ignore so i dun have local logs so...
nubbins`: i don't get this sanitizer thing
nubbins`: okay, anecdote
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "He'd be damned if any slope's gonna put their greasy, yellow hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it in one place he knew he could hide something - his ass. Five long years he wore this watch up his ass. Then, he died of dysentery. He give me the watch. I hid this uncomfortable hunk of metal up my ass two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. Now, little man, I give the watch to y
nubbins`: i was at the gym yesterday
nubbins`: there's a small metal box on the wall with a lock on top that hides the temperature controls for the room or w/e
nubbins`: some asshole walks up and sticks his hand underneath it
Mats_cd03: that seems familiar but i always thought the story was about a jew
nubbins`: looks mildly confused when hand sanitizer doesn't squirt out
nubbins`: and walks away
Mats_cd03: i use hand sanitizer to get the smell of smokes off my body
nubbins`: no you don't
Mats_cd03: and gum to remove it from my mouth
nubbins`: you use it to think it gets the smell of smokes off your body
nubbins`: truth is, you fucking reek like smoke after having a cigarette
nubbins`: ask anyone around you who doesn't smoke
Mats_cd03: i'm not a cigarette scientist okay i can only do so much about the cigarette smoke
Vexual: nuns carries half a pund of skunk to get the smell of smoke off his breath
Vexual: scientician
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mircea_popescu: Vexual runs one of the funniest markov chain bots ever.
Mats_cd03: and the smoke touches my hand and mouth, so hand sanitizer and gum is how it goes
nubbins`: lel ^
Vexual: im from the ponds institute
nubbins`: vexual, ive been quit for 2 years 3 months and uh
nubbins`: 19 days
mircea_popescu: i've been smoking since i was ~15.
nubbins`: i only smoked for 5 years
mircea_popescu: takes me about 6 to 10 weeks to go through a pack.
nubbins`: started at age 25, feel free to have a lel
nubbins`: took me 20-24 hours
nubbins`: sometimes less
mircea_popescu: thats a little exaggerate.
nubbins`: occasionally i'd smoke 20 darts over the course of an evening
mircea_popescu: don't eat any viagra.
nubbins`: nor drink any red bull
nubbins`: alkie friend of mine got cut off from red bull one night at the bar
mircea_popescu: lol this reminds me of kramer and his cappucino deal
mircea_popescu: "i feel like i'm talking a little fast but you can'treally tell"
nubbins`: he says "you know how hard it is to drink six glasses of coke?"
nubbins`: downs 4 red bulls, screams his lungs out on a stage for 45 minutes
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mircea_popescu: The extent of corruption in Europe is "breathtaking" and it costs the EU economy at least 120bn euros (£99bn) annually, the European Commission says.
nubbins`: his heartbeat felt like a fucking dubstep club
mircea_popescu: sounds like a great reason to move here.
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Mats_cd03: for the friend you hate that has everything...
nubbins`: the header on that website is pretty amazing
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Mats_cd03: i am particularly amused by the header
Vexual: wheres the best place in realeurope for an australian to live?
nubbins`: vexual, you won't want to miss ^
mircea_popescu: Vexual spain if you like fat whores, romania if you like slender whores.
Mats_cd03: theres even hair glued onto the wallet
ThickAsThieves: must be french
Vexual: this hurts more than trilema
Mats_cd03: ^ lol
nubbins`: hahaha it's almost too much
Vexual: and remids me how i got frozen squid instead of statchcock
Vexual: good lamb, you buy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00595747 = 0.423 BTC [+]
Vexual: can one walk around speaking english at everyone in romania?
Vexual: will it float?
nubbins`: was waiting for the actual question :D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.24310363 BTC
mircea_popescu: bout the same as it serves you here...
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nubbins`: !b 6
Vexual: hmmmm
nubbins`: problem with !b is that it's easy to fuck up
mircea_popescu: famous last words
nubbins`: s/!b/*
mircea_popescu: "problem with this linux box/kalashnikov/cuisinart/etc"
nubbins`: protip: it's not a problem
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mircea_popescu: this dude actually thinks they tailor polo shirts ?!
mircea_popescu: it's trollage, right ?
nubbins`: that's a polo shirt
nubbins`: is that what you wear under your vest? :\
nubbins`: oh, wait, i cnat raed
mircea_popescu: holy moses on a stick, someone sell him some original haagen-dasz
mircea_popescu: imported from danishland
Vexual: the cowspiders made me sick
nubbins`: Vexual, :(
nubbins`: ovine > bovine
Vexual: no, i have the fear
nubbins`: try placing a bare foot on the ground
Vexual: yeah that worked, thanks
nubbins`: np, it's a good one to remember
Vexual: yeah, the feedback loop swas that it made me forget i had feet
Vexual: funny how secrets travel
mircea_popescu: let's do a game of guess. so my driver (who's really a retired ceo guy, lots of fun) dropped off his 10yo kid to whatever kid social function before picking me up, but didn't go all the way because the street was muddy and his car freshly washed. so the kid had to walk like 100 yards. gets called on phone, kid is affraid of DOGS111!! doesn't know what to do pls help. what does the guy do ?
Vexual: txt him a spoonful of cement?
Vexual: drive back
mircea_popescu: giving away like a promise to pay 1 atc once i get some to the first person that gets the right answer.
mircea_popescu: Vexual no and no.
Vexual: pick you up?
mircea_popescu: well of course, the reason i know about this is cause i was in the car when he got called.
Vexual: is there only one answer?
mircea_popescu: only one answer, only one altcoin.
mike_c: told him to bark at the dog
mircea_popescu: mike_c pretty much. spent ten minutes yelling in the phone at the top of his lungs telling the kid what a little shitling it is
mike_c: hehe
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck do you mean dogs. EAT THEM!!1"
mircea_popescu: "if i come home and you've eaten no dog i'm going to spank you!"
Vexual: its not really a spoonful of cement if you have to call the kid
asciilifeform: korean driver?
mircea_popescu: so eventually he's done yelling and im like "you got a point there, gotta get the kid scared-er of you than the dogs, then he'll be fine"
mircea_popescu: he goes "d'oh"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, he's romanian.
asciilifeform: afaik every man who came of age in the post-soviet lands has eaten dog (army)
mircea_popescu: well i suspect the eating part was metaphorical.
mircea_popescu: tho... you never know with this nut.
Vexual: can he fiz a tyre?
asciilifeform: people tell me guard dogs still end up on the rotisserie now and again.
mircea_popescu: we never had a flat so far.
Mats_cd03: i dont understand why you would eat dog instead of all the other animals in existence
Vexual: that was a typo, but the question stands, jason statham stylee
mircea_popescu: mike_c i owe you an atc.
Mats_cd03: its not as though theyre particularly tasty
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 to make a point
mike_c: i'll get an address and let you know.
mircea_popescu: mike_c not that i have any yet ;/ a-hole miners ain't selling
Vexual: ill pay
mike_c: too many hoarders!
mircea_popescu: you got some v ?
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: because the 'grandpas' (conscripts close to getting their walking papers) ate yer dinner, and the red army conveniently provided you with a dog.
Mats_cd03: truly man's greatest companion
Vexual: yah
mircea_popescu: Vexual pay the man!
Vexual: im pretty sure you can make a adkey like bitcoin?
nubbins`: oh yeah, i forgot
nubbins`: vexual is huge into atc isn't he?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
Vexual: yeah man i found 8 blocks
nubbins`: nice
nubbins`: congrats
nubbins`: that's altmazing
Vexual: its supersceded my single radeon now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00092143 = 12.5314 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what's diff like ?
nubbins`: grown up already
Vexual: dunno i gave up
nubbins`: mircea_popescu, apparently btcguild merge-mines it now
Vexual: altname>?
nubbins`: i kid ;(
mircea_popescu: My thesis about taper is that the banks in the U.S. had mortgage bonds on their books probably close to the tune of a trillion dollars that they could not sell to anyone. It was dead money, and they had to write them off somehow. The problem with writing off close to a trillion dollars’ worth of mortgage bonds that were held in all the U.S. banks is that kind of money is probably more than the total market capitali
mircea_popescu: zation of the U.S. banking industry. So, they had to figure a way to get those mortgage bonds off the books of the banks and silo them somewhere without basically admitting that the U.S. banking system was insolvent.”
mircea_popescu: (Rob Kirby)
Mats_cd03: the eurozone is about to experience the same thing are they not
nubbins`: the history of us banking is pretty much "we had to figure out how to pretend we didn't shit the bed"
Mats_cd03: i recall something on reuters, although min was 1bln rather than 1t
mircea_popescu: basically, the fed has about 2-3 trillion worth of dead money in its 4trn balance sheet.
nubbins`: "maybe if we make it illegal to own white sheets" etc
mircea_popescu: nubbins` central banking, yes.
Vexual: whois bonds for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 not quite. no eu fed, fortunately.
mod6: atc diff: 16384.00000000
nubbins`: bank of canada governor got hired by the bank of england a while ago
mircea_popescu: mod6 whoa that setlltes the bet.
nubbins`: summer i think
mod6: wow: "blocks" : 15753
mod6: was at like ~12000 on saturday
mircea_popescu: can't be 15k get out.
Vexual: even
mod6: but diff was 4096 then too
Mats_cd03: so...not at all like what i was thinking about
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 "exposure to emerging markets" != "money nobody is ever repaying, period".
mircea_popescu: yes, i get it, the us is trying to create a periphery crisis to (yet again) shift the focus.
mircea_popescu: the previous attempts didn't work, as nobody really cares what the english press is saying outside of the us space anyway.
mircea_popescu: it's mostly a case of a guy with terminal cancer inventing sneezes and other health emergencies in the hospital staff.
Mats_cd03: im curious to see how the power dynamic between the us and china changes as the chinese move into a consumption phase
Vexual: lol consumption phase
mircea_popescu: the chinese ain't moving into the consumption phase tho
Vexual: they couldnt slow growth if they nuked bejing
mircea_popescu: they might have, maybe, unlikely. this crisis is saving them from it for suire.
Mats_cd03: a friend of mine who designs env filtration systems told me some good stories about china
Mats_cd03: he was there this last year for six months in the north, and apparently everything is literally polluted
Mats_cd03: e.g. in the touristy areas of beijing/shanghai they sometimes spray the grass green
Vexual: welsome to earth
nubbins`: !t h hif
assbot: [HAVELOCK:HIF] 1D: 0.00044000 / 0.00049062 / 0.00050000 (9498 shares, 4.65993879 BTC), 7D: 0.00040500 / 0.00046139 / 0.00050000 (21474 shares, 9.90794302 BTC), 30D: 0.00038011 / 0.00046314 / 0.00050000 (94276 shares, 43.66333216 BTC)
Mats_cd03: there was also a good one about pigs being poisoned by some feed or other
Mats_cd03: which he happened to see driving by a local river
Mats_cd03: said pigs were floating in the dozens downstream
Mats_cd03: i wish i had gotten that photo from him...
asciilifeform: 'patience is to sit on a river bank and wait for the corpse of your enemy to come floating by'
Mats_cd03: .cn farmer said fuck it i'll just dump these pig bodies into the water and try again
Mats_cd03: he claims literally every single source of water in china is polluted
nubbins`: "If you go to that subreddit [doge] people don't know what the fark they are doing but it doesn't matter--they are tipping, they are giving to charity, they are having FUN. Everyone is friendly and very excited--it's a very stark contrast to here. There seems to be a lot of new crypto users joining there instead of here. A LOT of new crypto users."
CryptFox: Where's captian planet when you need him most?
nubbins`: not sure if srs
Vexual: how was morocco?
mircea_popescu: delurking lurkers say the strangest things
nubbins`: lovely
nubbins`: the countryside was nice
nubbins`: in particular
Vexual: no doubt, did they put you to work?
asciilifeform: meat in the sun, plenty of little users! wings a-buzzing.
nubbins`: too hot for work
mircea_popescu: nubbins` crushing doge is a lot of fun, for sure.
nubbins`: guy is on the verge of tears because btc isn't taking lessons from doge
mircea_popescu: because totally "crypto user" = fucktard saying words on rettardit.
nubbins`: /r/bitcoin is all grown-uppy and boring now
nubbins`: and mathy
mircea_popescu: and besides, we want more fucktards so desperately. like, not enough, must have more.
nubbins`: a thousand times ^
mircea_popescu: "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to glbse and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"
mircea_popescu: glbse sinks
mircea_popescu: "mpoe-pr is mean, we will all go to btct and mpex will sink because you need US!!!1"
nubbins`: Vexual, i met a norwegian guy one day in a village
mircea_popescu: btct closes
nubbins`: was checking out this place that produces argan oil
nubbins`: "this shit smells like hash"
Vexual: no doubt
nubbins`: but in fact it was the norwegian guy's fat draw that smelled like hash
nubbins`: made more sense then
Vexual: wheres my ship?
Vexual: north brah, north
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00092112 = 16.5802 BTC [-]
nubbins`: your ship had trouble with the fog
Mats_cd03: i'm watching a natgeo program called Bomb Hunters
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Mats_cd03: quite good
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Vexual: to satoshi
Vexual: and all kde haters
Vexual: not guatamalian enough?
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1199 @ 0.00082007 = 0.9833 BTC [-] {13}
mod6: srsly Vexual?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1301 @ 0.00079993 = 1.0407 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: serious
mod6: Suss-suss-cereal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 62 @ 0.002984 = 0.185 BTC [+]
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mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: kraken fucks up to a massive degree ;/
Vexual: yeah you get squid
mircea_popescu: dude after all the futzing they did with betas and everyhing... i'm dissapointed
mircea_popescu: i was srsly expecting much more of this troop.
mircea_popescu: and to top it off it looks like they can't cover the ~1mn damage and are splitting.
Vexual: this is why bricks and mortar casions explain their position with a taste of asphalt
mircea_popescu: why bother ?
mircea_popescu: asphalt is expensive, Mats_cd03 has to clean it afterwards etc.
Vexual: well in a physical environment they start to smell
asciilifeform: the beauty of btc is that lusers mix their own cement.
mircea_popescu: too true.
Vexual: on the internet siz weeks without a show aint shit
Vexual: im channeling ghosts coz that said six showers when i typed it
Vexual: what colour is goats shirt?
Vexual: 1 atc for answer
Vexual: zuric i win
Vexual: mice_c you got an ad yet?
Vexual: mike_c ive got shit to do
mike_c: not yet. i'm sure we'll bump into each other again.
Vexual: a bc add will suffice i think
Vexual: this aint lc
Vexual: markov says tommorrow wont do
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 25 @ 0.03400098 = 0.85 BTC [+] {5}
mike_c: btc is good? then 18B61TqudC7pwqHP1J52eJwYx7ycwFtV2p
Vexual: i think so
Vexual: nooone knows
Vexual: you own the privkey?
mike_c: um, yes?
Vexual: very good mr hunt
Vexual: sent
Mats_cd03: you have A(D),10(S) pre-flop what do you do
Mats_cd03: flop is 10JQ (D/S/S) do you play and what are your chances on 1) flush or 2) straight
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