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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13050 @ 0.00084042 = 10.9675 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Which version on ubuntu?
nubbins`: 13.10
BingoBoingo: The newer ones look for weird BIOS/UFCI stuff try 12.04 you can upgrade from there if necessary. The new installers suck with older mobile hardware though
nubbins`: yeah, tried 12.04 as well, didn't have much luck there either
nubbins`: this is a brand new netbook, i suspect display driver issues
BingoBoingo: Maybe?
nubbins`: bit outta my element here, been a while since i've had to dick around like this
BingoBoingo: You play with BIOS or whatever the fuck they call it now settings?
nubbins`: yeah, disabled secureboot, disabled uefi
nubbins`: managed to boot into a liveusb install ONCE, have been unable to replicate this feat
nubbins`: occasionally it halts at a different step -- like right now, at "Stopping log initial device creation [OK]"
nubbins`: but like i say, tty1-6 available and responsive
nubbins`: just no gui
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27624 @ 0.00084042 = 23.2158 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Do you have a model number and such info?
nubbins`: hp pavilion 10-e020. google search doesn't turn up much.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 241 @ 0.001 = 0.241 BTC [+]
nubbins`: i don't even get this far unless i add "nomodeset" to startup params. without that, the screen just turns off after a point
nubbins`: (not black, but off)
BingoBoingo: I'll do some looking up of things
nubbins`: thanks, almost at the end of my rope, but i can't let my poor mother use windows 8
nubbins`: the black screen thing seems fairly common
asciilifeform: what machine exactly?
nubbins`: hp pavilion 10-e020
nubbins`: 10-e020ca i guess, but i think that the "ca" just indicates country
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 140 @ 0.001 = 0.14 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ah, okay, managed to get to the ubuntu desktop again
nubbins`: after once again disabling secureboot
nubbins`: house of cards ;(
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999998 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 360 @ 0.001 = 0.36 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 863 @ 0.002897 = 2.5001 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00083987 = 11.3088 BTC [-] {3}
KRS1: ;;seen vexual
gribble: vexual was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 19 hours, 7 minutes, and 7 seconds ago: <Vexual> b&w
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23650 @ 0.00083941 = 19.852 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25630 @ 0.0008414 = 21.5651 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29393 @ 0.00084142 = 24.7319 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12137 @ 0.00083937 = 10.1874 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00083927 = 6.4624 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32700 @ 0.00084152 = 27.5177 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.00084152 = 17.4615 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 212 @ 0.001 = 0.212 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4137 @ 0.0029 = 11.9973 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36850 @ 0.00084062 = 30.9768 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 800 @ 0.001 = 0.8 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22000 @ 0.00084161 = 18.5154 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.02499999 = 0.375 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02694686 = 0.1347 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02694687 = 0.1347 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.53999996 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00337476 = 0.675 BTC [-] {14}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 672 @ 0.001 = 0.672 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00083913 = 9.2304 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00084183 = 18.3098 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1628 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.1951% in 9d 13h 58m 51s
ozbot: [PicoStocks] CoinTerra [coint]
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?!
mircea_popescu: ahaha more of the "making roi hand over fist"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.03978518 = 0.5172 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03978534 = 0.1989 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 10 @ 0.03978667 = 0.3979 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 344 @ 0.0029 = 0.9976 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.79989995 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.03979999 = 0.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 106 @ 0.025 = 2.65 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14850 @ 0.000842 = 12.5037 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24356 @ 0.00084034 = 20.4673 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: A conceit, or the importance of blogging pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 299 @ 0.00289365 = 0.8652 BTC [-] {3}
truffles: blogging is "important" nowadays huh :D
mircea_popescu: definitely.
KRS1: i used to think otherwise
truffles: what has caused the change of view?
KRS1: lol schmucks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 347 @ 0.0422545 = 14.6623 BTC [+] {23}
KRS1: for me, personally, it has been the realization that people need more meat and potatoes so to speak than just a flashy website that just gets the point across..it provides a substantial base of information that compliments and validates your site or your image.
mircea_popescu: definitely.
VanCleef: its pretty homoerotic tho
VanCleef: twitter is more important than a blog
KRS1: In many cases it gives the visitor a doggie bag or a sample of knowledge or data that they may be able to use. Sometimes closing the deal on sales or further investment of your idea or product.
KRS1: I see twitter as a different type of tool than a blog, not more or less important.
truffles: u think ppl have time to read wall of text
truffles: have time = want
KRS1: They make time to read what they are looking for, as long as its delivered to them in a way they can digest it, I suppose. For instance, I read the Wall St. Journal primarily for the Marktplace section. I get and enjoy information from other parts as a side benefit.
truffles: ure a nerd though
KRS1: But I go hard, I drink with friends in bars, strip clubs and I enjoy street and drag racing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 6091 @ 0.001 = 6.091 BTC [+]
KRS1: Whats it matter
truffles: just trying to say u put in more effort than most ppl prob
KRS1: maybe..but idk today is a new day and age..ppl suprise me from time to time.
truffles: sure
KRS1: its going to be cold here in south florida next few days..might see 30 degrees, highs of only 60's 70 degrees. brrr..
truffles: oh thats sooo cold
mircea_popescu: truffles what's with this arrogand, offensive anti-intellectualism ?
mircea_popescu: people enjoy reading, because people enjoy not being americans every chance they get.
truffles: im anti intellectual?
mircea_popescu: course there are those less fortunate who rarely get such a chance, but you're basically arguing that they should be opressed moar just to keep it up.
truffles: not arguing in either direction, its called observation
mircea_popescu: you're also a weasel, but whatever.
mircea_popescu: didn't you just call the guy a nerd for not being as stupid as you'd like people to be generally ?
mircea_popescu: he's not a nerd, you're scum, that's all.
twizt: lol
truffles: i just roll my eyes
truffles: so over the top trying to be right?
mircea_popescu: read a book instead. same effort, moar results.
truffles: id like to know what definition ure using for weasel and scum
KRS1: =/
mircea_popescu: weasel is someone who behaves arrogantly and offensively anti-thinking, and when they have it pointed out to them they claim they were "just observing", in your case.
mircea_popescu: more generally, any passive-aggressive behaviour fits under weasel.
mircea_popescu: and scum is one who thinks that the solution to their own stupidity and laziness is enticing, encouraging and if need be forcing everyone else to be equally lazy and stupid.
truffles: how was i being arrogant in this case
mircea_popescu: <truffles> just trying to say u put in more effort than most ppl prob << how do you distinguish this from "niggers are just born with less smarts" ?
mircea_popescu: they're the same substance, "let's presume inferiority abroad"
mircea_popescu: such presumption is the core of arrogance.
truffles: anyone could be a nerd
mircea_popescu: no. anyone could be you.
mircea_popescu: being what you call a nerd takes some sweat.
mircea_popescu: or in other words, any fuckwit can "roll their eyes" pointlessly. actually reading a book takes some effort.
truffles: arguing with u would take effort
truffles: id have to painstakingly present the idea
truffles: and i cant be arsed
mircea_popescu: it does also save you from making a fool of yourself thinking hemingway invented donne, but that's i suppose a minor point, especially if you are careful to live among people who won't laugh to your face for it.
truffles: sigh
mircea_popescu: see ? now that's scum :)
truffles: one doesnt have to use big words but if ure constantly using profanity to exert an opinion its kinda hopeless
mircea_popescu: you may wish to check the definition of profanity.
mircea_popescu: if that's not too much effort for you today.
truffles: haha
truffles: let me use "insults" then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10300 @ 0.00083792 = 8.6306 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: there's the truthfulness defense. something's not an insult just because you don't like hearing it.
truffles: now ur opinions are truths umk
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, calling things you don't like to hear opinions doesn't much change the reality of them.
mircea_popescu: stuff that lays on the bottom of still water, rolling its eyes and not putting any effort is scum, that's what it is, look it up.
truffles: list the facts with evidence
mircea_popescu: i have little contribution in all of that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00289379 = 0.2315 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32307 @ 0.00084059 = 27.1569 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1615 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.8087% in 9d 13h 16m 35s
TomServo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 280623 | Current Difficulty: 1.7895469510532405E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 282239 | Next Difficulty In: 1616 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 14 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 2055670895.85 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.87102
mircea_popescu: ;;later mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ is the dividends table off ?
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "mike_c" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ is the dividends table off ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00519903 = 0.1508 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25909 @ 0.00084426 = 21.8739 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c http://browsershots.org/screenshots/87688d1d7b2d311989c597ffa5845a8c see, that's what I mean. it's misalligned.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00084532 = 8.7491 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 125 @ 0.001 = 0.125 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15687 @ 0.00084585 = 13.2688 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
mike_c: mircea_popescu: the table is aligned as designed. whether it's clear is another question. I went with showing the dividends in the month they were paid, which is generally the month after the profit was earned.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 7752 @ 0.001 = 7.752 BTC [+]
jurov: mike_c: satoshi per share is off
jurov: also, information to how many shares was the dividend paid is very useful in this case
jurov: for example, i have to dig it up every month to distribute divs without rounding errors
mike_c: i believe satoshi per share is accurate. at least, it is the same as on mpex
jurov: nope. if mpex pays 19btc to 100bn shares, it shows as 1 satoshi per share
jurov: but in reality it paid 19 satoshi per every 10 shares
mike_c: hm. ok, thanks. i'll make it more accurate.
the20year: which stock is paying 19 satoshis?
mike_c: last s.mpoe dividend was 13 satoshi per share. but it has 1bn shares :)
mike_c: and to jurov's point, it was actually 13.65 satoshi per share
the20year: I was wanting to compare their div to ours
mike_c: 136 BTC in one month. probably bigger than yours.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21904 @ 0.00084591 = 18.5288 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12642 @ 0.00084613 = 10.6968 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.0052 = 0.2496 BTC [+]
the20year: I don't think based on apy it is
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005199 = 0.1144 BTC [-]
mike_c: no. the stock price went up a lot last year, so the div. yield is pretty small.
the20year: That's all I was getting atr
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [MS] 2000 @ 0.005 = 10 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00515 = 0.515 BTC [-] {2}
the20year: Is there a longer-term chart for it?
mike_c: as a matter of fact there is :) http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/
the20year: Thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 40 @ 0.0050215 = 0.2009 BTC [-]
Duffer1: morning #b-aa
the20year: So mircea owns what % of s.mpoe?
mike_c: 83.8%
the20year: so btcalpha only deals with mpex investments?
mike_c: btcalpha is mine, just launched recently. deals with things i find interesting in btc finance.
the20year: It's a very clean looking site
mike_c: thanks
the20year: I'd be interested in you adding HL
mike_c: not much i find interesting on havelock.
jurov: HL croaks by the time mike manages to do it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 7 @ 0.06500001 = 0.455 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c oh i c. maybe make a note somewhere or who knows
mike_c: yeah, will do. it's not super clear.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 4 @ 0.06250001 = 0.25 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: it'll get confusing as all hell because s.mpoe actually pays divs same month *most* months
mike_c: i didn't want to force it though. start arbitrarily applying divs to certain months. because like, what about when a div is paid wrong? do I "fix" it? it does need to be more clear.
mircea_popescu: you do have a point there.
mircea_popescu: there's value in this "theory / practice" approach anyway. for one thing mpex contracts even allow assets to skip a month entirely
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5720 @ 0.001 = 5.72 BTC [+]
KRS1: I think its advantages like that those who scoff at the 30 btc seat on the exchange fail to learn.
KRS1: uh nvm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 439 @ 0.00483328 = 2.1218 BTC [-] {15}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54000102 BTC [+]
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1593 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.2044% in 9d 9h 0m 56s
kakobrekla: nothing on the no side
mircea_popescu: i guess it has to go to shit first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 962 @ 0.001 = 0.962 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00008607 = 0.3443 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 8 @ 0.1 = 0.8 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13582 @ 0.00084579 = 11.4875 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00084571 = 27.105 BTC [-] {2}
the20year: wowie
mike_c: nice, great bet.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00008603 = 0.129 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 19 @ 0.07999998 = 1.52 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 12000 @ 0.00047606 = 5.7127 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 13200 @ 0.0004521 = 5.9677 BTC [-] {16}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1800 @ 0.00044767 = 0.8058 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 300 @ 0.00043646 = 0.1309 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.10989993 = 0.3297 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 68 @ 0.00289999 = 0.1972 BTC [+]
the20year: Don't know if any rentalstarter investors are in here but i'm sending payment in 30m
mike_c: are you officially listing on hl?
mike_c: when?
the20year: Whenever HL gets the paperwork approved, already sent it out to them Monday
mike_c: good luck. i still don't think you should be raising btc, but you should be one of the better investments on hl :)
ozbot: Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom
the20year: Why shouldn't we be raising btc?
mike_c: because i don't think your roi will be better than just holding btc
rattaTATpow: ozbot and gribble seem to bemuch different than Bitcoinwisdom.
rattaTATpow: mike thatsnot a reason
the20year: will any stock be better than holding btc?
mike_c: yes, stocks that aren't tied to a fiat income stream.
rattaTATpow: all investors should knowvy now thatstocks are merely denominatedinbtc
rattaTATpow: no such thing
rattaTATpow: all assets are affectedby fiat
the20year: That's kind of the point i'm making. Everything from my perspective was hammered shareprice wise when BTC went from $200>$1200
the20year: And even though many of the assets 'weren't in fiat' they seemed to suffer a good deal from fiat's decline in value relative to BTC
rattaTATpow: its also possible forbtc to decline in price
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4056 @ 0.00084675 = 3.4344 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 23 @ 0.02420869 = 0.5568 BTC [-] {4}
the20year: At any rate, RentalStarter collected an average of $81 in fiat per BTC during the IPO phase, bitcoin is now worth 10x more and our div yield in BTC will be 14.3% going forward which puts us right in the middle of the pack on Havelock. Only two stocks would have higher dividends, 5 would have lower dividend yields.
the20year: So let me stress that, 14.3% dividend yield based on investments at $81 per BTC
the20year: it also doesn't include the fact that we haven't utilized 20% remaining capital in our account due to it being insufficient to buy more properties.
mircea_popescu: how did that clemens line go, "the less one is inclined to make definitive universal statements, the less likely they are to look like some random noob that ended up in the wrong channel"
jurov: everything sucks
jurov: *the* most defnitive universal statement
mircea_popescu: some shit blows.
jurov: that's not universal
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mike_c: efficient market pricing at its finest
mircea_popescu: "everything sucks in the most efficient way possible"
KRS1: .bait
the20year: These tech aquisitions make no sense to me
KRS1: Mmm
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Lagrangian mechanics' of sucking?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun see the big deal. if this wasn;'t a problem we wouldn't need trademarks
mircea_popescu: and also we could keep gasoline in cups right next to our coffee cups and type away in the dark
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.07000001 = 0.14 BTC [-]
jurov: perchance, isn't there a company with ticker like BTC or MPEX ?
jurov: or DOGE? :DDDD
punkman: there'
punkman: there's a BTC stock
the20year: the winklevoss etf?
mircea_popescu: lol this is what internet experts with mucho experience and #1 delo negocios come up with
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.049999 = 0.25 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: mike_c i don't like that your comments eat newlines
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1587 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.2558% in 9d 10h 46m 52s
mike_c: yeah, it looks dumb.
mircea_popescu: bitbet has the same problem, except there it's kind of deliberate to encourage ppl to be brief
mike_c: it will improved soon. easy fix.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0048091 = 0.1058 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.049999 = 0.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 135 @ 0.04999999 = 6.75 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 87 @ 0.02500574 = 2.1755 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: FonziScheme joined the chat room.
nubbins`: FonziScheme: eyyyyyyy
Duffer1: >.<
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.04999999 = 2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10595 @ 0.00084675 = 8.9713 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3055 @ 0.00084688 = 2.5872 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.00084628 = 18.2796 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22695 @ 0.00084753 = 19.2347 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8755 @ 0.00084837 = 7.4275 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.00284957 = 0.9973 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00084474 = 14.3606 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.08200198 = 0.492 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.08200199 = 0.41 BTC [+]
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mike_c: too late, spammer left.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.04999999 = 1.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: pankkake ye
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 133 @ 0.04999999 = 6.65 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Bitcoin nodes from 80.57.0.0/16 network prefix - getaddr.bitnodes.io
pankkake: what is there to see?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 156 @ 0.00279998 = 0.4368 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: guy's been running a node off the same ip he's spamming here ?
mircea_popescu: including where you may wish to complain, some nl host.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00084796 = 3.9006 BTC [+]
mike_c: pankkake why is my name pink?
pankkake: maybe my gaydar is broken
mike_c: seriously. i want green.
mircea_popescu: what color am i ?
pankkake: red. the script doesn't have many colors, and worse, sometimes nicks of the same lenght get the same color…
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.025 = 0.5 BTC [-]
jurov: mike_c: i have you pink, too. you need to change it, sry
mike_c: maybe the gaydar is working. how revealing.
jurov: and mircea_popescu is light blue
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 549 @ 0.00099988 = 0.5489 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: well everyone's baby blue on my thing, except me. i'm gray.
nubbins`: you're all orange here, and i'm dark red
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.00008611 = 0.3444 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.54077111 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [COG] 12 @ 0.08200198 = 0.984 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 167 @ 0.0009999 = 0.167 BTC [+] {2}
TomServo: 256 color options in weechat baby, I'm really living over here.
ystarnaud: AM1 still holding above 0.5
ystarnaud: not too bad
pankkake: yeah, that's one of the reasons I need to switch to that weechat
pankkake: but that's 10 years of habits to break
TomServo: Yeah, that would be tough. Been a looong time since I used irssi/bitchx so it wasn't too bad for me.
nubbins`: ystarnaud: people still hold AM1?
ystarnaud: yeah
ystarnaud: maybe not as many people
ystarnaud: but alot still do
nubbins`: interesting
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.04999999 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: it's probably the most diversely-held stock in the history of btc
nubbins`: no doubt
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1560 blocks | Estimated Change: 16.1320% in 9d 1h 53m 16s
the20year: 2% increase in just a few hours...nice
asciilifeform: from the dept. of random turds:
ozbot: General Dynamics C4 Systems 13247489-02 Module T25371: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific
asciilifeform: this is, apparently, a military disk drive.
ozbot: Product / Part Number: 13247489-03 - DISK DRIVE UNIT by GENERAL DYNAMICS C4 SYSTEMS INC. - 4LEK3 - A
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 525 @ 0.0009997 = 0.5248 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: i always thought those got burned in the thermite pit on retirement, but go figure.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.049991 = 0.6999 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14595 @ 0.00084796 = 12.376 BTC [+]
ArsKisS: wut is dis
ArsKisS: seedcoin didn't crash more than 10%
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 208 @ 0.00089396 = 0.1859 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 3000 @ 0.00017 = 0.51 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00526 = 0.1841 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2000 @ 0.00084729 = 1.6946 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 2000 @ 0.00017 = 0.34 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.109 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00084729 = 4.2365 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 15000 @ 0.00017 = 2.55 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1500 @ 0.0009 = 1.35 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 1600 @ 0.0009 = 1.44 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 115 @ 0.00099999 = 0.115 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.024137 = 0.2414 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02689993 = 0.1076 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.00272788 = 0.2401 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 24 @ 0.0052852 = 0.1268 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1500 @ 0.00008671 = 0.1301 BTC [-] {2}
Neil: .d
ozbot: 1789546951.05324 | Next Diff in 1541 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.2494% in 8d 17h 50m 46s
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.5394726 = 3.7763 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35354 @ 0.000845 = 29.8741 BTC [-] {5}
Neil: Quite surprised there haven't been a few BTC on No recently on the 2bn diff bet
jurov: Neil, it's rarely less than the estimates
BingoBoingo: Lol, the comments and the not grep that the value of the price of risk keeps changing as more people want to buy risk
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014
jurov: ;;seen davout
gribble: davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 20 hours, 39 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: <davout> isn't he chair of the foundation or sthg?
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty tops 25 million by end of June
ozbot: BitBet - BTC network difficulty tops 42 million by end of July
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19000 @ 0.00084827 = 16.1171 BTC [+]
jurov: what's with the bets?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 540 @ 0.00095 = 0.513 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.04999998 = 0.75 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they came out as no :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11442 @ 0.0008441 = 9.6582 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1605 @ 0.00080383 = 1.2901 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: is btc-e about to go away ?
jurov: maybe just problems with rented accounts
Apocalyptic: I hope so mircea_popescu
mike_c: quick, bet no :)
ozbot: BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015
pankkake: those claims are common and not new
mircea_popescu: it seemed to suddenly add up to a lot more dough than normally.
KRS1: "Experts" say bitcoin will be as low as $10 this year.
ozbot: $10: One Perspective On What Bitcoin Will Be Worth In 2014 - Forbes
asciilifeform: translation: experts want to buy cheap coin, time for chumps to sell
KRS1: Forbes teh trolls
mircea_popescu: lmao experts.
mircea_popescu: the experts are here. forbes has the noobs.
KRS1: Haha yea
asciilifeform: there are different kinds of experts. some are expert at cattle herding.
Duffer1: i'm surprised that one didn't mention tulips
KRS1: With that said, teh bitbet gets NO vote
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'd happen if you replaced the wsj's experts with seventeen magazine's experts for a week
Duffer1: they got the greater fool theory in there so 1/2 i suppose
mircea_popescu: specifically, whether anyone'd catch on.
KRS1: LOL mircea_popescu
KRS1: One thing for sure, their articles will be filled with "like" and "ummm" and "I was like.."
asciilifeform: high time for a forbes-fueled Shannonizer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform forbes has the circulation of mail order catalogues for anal plugs cca 1950, what herding ?
jurov: someone should recommend usagi to them
asciilifeform: did american jailers plug the arses of condemned criminals in the '50s?
asciilifeform: and if so, i wonder what market share of plugs this accounted for.
mircea_popescu: now that i dunno
mircea_popescu: subquestion : did the elctric chair include a buttelectrode ?
asciilifeform: the famous 'Yellow Mama' electric chair in the wash. dc. museum seems to have a shit pan
asciilifeform: so answer's probably no.
pankkake: butt plugs to prevent prison rape?
nubbins`: worth noting that forbes.com/sites/* are just blogs
nubbins`: by people like "samantha sharf"
nubbins`: who don't really work for forbes, or have anything worth saying
mircea_popescu: samantha sharf is a good name for a stripper
mircea_popescu: cindi cockscarf and shamantha sharf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1400 @ 0.00008671 = 0.1214 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: "I write about stock markets, art markets, millennials and their money"
Duffer1: millenials have money?
nubbins`: i'm not sure what a millennial is, offhand
ozbot: Bitcoin Gets Valued: Bank Of America Puts A Price Target On The Virtual Tender - Forbes
nubbins`: a month ago, sharf thought bitcoin was worth $1300
nubbins`: ah, millennials are "generation y"
nubbins`: apparently i'm considered a senior millennial
mircea_popescu: millenials is how women that don't fuck tender reffer to the chicks which are just about ripe.
nubbins`: heh!
nubbins`: now there's a definition i can work with
asciilifeform: pankkake: the plug (used even today, afaik) is to make cleanup easier.
asciilifeform: american prisoners are denied the traditional gallows privilege of filling their pants.
nubbins`: best shit on the hands of the inserter
asciilifeform: there are tales that some states use... superglue.
pankkake: yet another genius invention that can be used for good or evil
jurov: what about shitting? inmates get state-issued alternate butthole?
nubbins`: i think they only glue your poop chute when killing you
nubbins`: we use CA for adhering mesh to screen frames, i've glued tools to myself on occasion
nubbins`: no fun
asciilifeform: works great on papercuts though.
jurov: once there was a blonde around here that arrived on emergency
jurov: cuz she glued her eyes together
mircea_popescu: like across her nose ?
asciilifeform: you'd need a hydraulic press.
jurov: one nurse got hysterical laughing seizure and had to be dismissed for the day
mircea_popescu: so maybe the blonde had a hidraulic press
jurov: she mistook the glue for liner or whatever
mircea_popescu: o man...
Duffer1: it's eyedrops i swear
Duffer1: CA brand
mircea_popescu: no no she has a point, they have a stupid glue thing they use for fake lashes
mircea_popescu: it stinks similarly
asciilifeform: if this fellow's head were turned sideways, one could glue his eyes together!
pankkake: I wouldn't list that on the worst ways to die
mircea_popescu: me either.
asciilifeform: me neither. but i didn't have the photo handy.
mircea_popescu: being successfuly hunted by a dingo
pankkake: being shat on by the elephant would be (and this is a darwin award story btw)
asciilifeform: why is being eaten by dingo to be avoided, compared to, say, wolf ?
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> like across her nose ?
nubbins`: lelelelelel
jurov: yeah, good she didn't manage to knot them eyes
ozbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: ermahgerd holm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00084378 = 49.9518 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dingo hunts by evisceration
mircea_popescu: wolf hunts like a sane canide (carotid section)
BingoBoingo: Dingos also look like adorable domestic dogs, so there is an additional embarassment factor involved.
asciilifeform: depending on the locale, one needn't go to australia to be eaten by a pack of dogs.
mircea_popescu: i guess there's an african equivalent too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1251 @ 0.00080015 = 1.001 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: her aspect ratio seems wrong
asciilifeform: is there a next frame with dingo?
asciilifeform: poor beast, what a meager meal.
mircea_popescu: let's insist then.
mircea_popescu: "you've not lived until you brought strippers on campus, to parade nude for the benefit of all the stuck up "career" bitchez"
asciilifeform: career bitchez, zoologists write, hunt by evisceration.
mircea_popescu: this is a conceit, never actually found in nature.
nubbins`: feels > shields
pankkake: you have a thing for public nudity
mircea_popescu: for [young] women. sure.
ozbot: First Nation teen told not to wear 'Got Land?' shirt at school - Saskatchewan - CBC News
nubbins`: "Additional meetings between the school and leaders of the Star Blanket First Nation led to an understanding that Star's sweatshirt, and its message, were acceptable after all."
mircea_popescu: such bs all this. the whole charade is predicated on supposedly acting on principle
mircea_popescu: except the entire thing is directly the result of political negotiation, as an exchange of power.
mircea_popescu: the modern equivalent of "let's go to war for the love of jesus"
ozbot: Bondage BDSM and Fetish Video on Demand - Beautiful German Milf Bound and Fucked in Public
mircea_popescu: youth is in the eye of teh beholder.
ozbot: Pipe bomb handed back to Edmonton passenger by airport guard - Edmonton - CBC News
nubbins`: HAHAHAH
nubbins`: canadians really are polite, hey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2715 @ 0.00084351 = 2.2901 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 89 @ 0.00315 = 0.2804 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3602 @ 0.00084245 = 3.0345 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00084107 = 10.2611 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00010001 = 0.5001 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 5000 @ 0.00010001 = 0.5001 BTC [-]
ozbot: Silent Circle & Geeksphone Join Forces To Build Blackphone: A Pro-Privacy Android-Based Smartphone
asciilifeform: crypto hero turned u.s. gov. shill pushes honeypot, news at 11.
pankkake: still waiting for a true GNU/Linux phone :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 3000 @ 0.00017 = 0.51 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: if snowden is a 'hangout', getting people to buy this crap is clearly the objective of the hangout.
pankkake: I don't understand why they would go for Android either
asciilifeform: because cheap. won't cut into ft. meade's coke budget.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21255 @ 0.00084071 = 17.8693 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: pankkake: you still think 'blackphone' is an honest/inept product, don't you.
pankkake: I don't really care about the intentions behind it, but it cannot achieve its stated goal
asciilifeform: some of the unstated goals can be achieved without selling a single unit, however.
asciilifeform: (discrediting 'counter-nsa' tech as crackpottery, for instance.)
pankkake: what bothers me the most is the common belief that you only need to make crypto "easy"
pankkake: you have to understand it or you will get burned
Apocalyptic: secure and easy don't go well together
asciilifeform: it all starts to make sense once you understand that selling people rope with which to hang is the actual objective.
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, do you have any ref related to this ?
asciilifeform: to what, in particular?
mircea_popescu: pankkake it's deeper than that, too. us people wanted a system that'd work without their input. thirty years later... they have it.
mircea_popescu: this "making things easy" bs is just another name for "painting yourself out of the picture"
Apocalyptic: to the fact it will likely be a honeypot
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: sometimes, the answer is not printed in the back of the schoolbook. and you have to actually understand the problem and use your head.
Apocalyptic: i'm obviously not looking for a schoolbook here
unclehowell: Hey everyone. I wanted to introduce my tech startup. It's called Wave. We're planning to make internet access free using a new generation of ads-for-access. The best part is, we're doing our entire Series A investment round with Bitcoin: http://wavetele.com/layout/Pages/shares-area/beneficiaries.html
pankkake: mircea_popescu: the issue is that belief is present among "the good guys"
unclehowell: Here's the interactive demo http://wavetele.com
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: intro to sane cryptographic principles: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1299
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i suppose his argument is chiefly "what else could it be"
asciilifeform: even without any understanding of the politics, you can derive the answer:
asciilifeform: 1) what's it made of? how conceptually 'heavy' is the device?
mircea_popescu: this works sort-of well, until you end up with things like... i dunno, every show on tv being a honeypot by this approach, as well as every newspaper and most of everything else, cause they damn sure don't work for the advertised/intended purposes.
asciilifeform: that is, can a motivated person with an undergrad-level education actually understand the design in its totality?
mircea_popescu: dja understand by this reading the average fridge is a honeypot ?
asciilifeform: 2) could you, given what the creator of the device has made public, re-create it?
asciilifeform: as for the political component, zimmerman already fucked the public goat with the closed-source 'silent circle'
unclehowell: Do you guys like the demo? http://wavetele.com
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, yeah was kinda my point for bringing it up
asciilifeform: unclehowell: the '90s called, want their turdware back.
Apocalyptic: now asciilifeform that's some interesting facts
pankkake: I remember when I was using dialup and farming those free internets
unclehowell: Turdware. Not heard that before. Nice!
pankkake: they all went bankrupt of course
unclehowell: I heard they used to do ads-for-access with dial up.
pankkake: there were also the things that paid you to browse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20441 @ 0.00084397 = 17.2516 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: even free computers with ads
unclehowell: MIchael Moritz helped us. We should nail it. I hope we do.
mircea_popescu: pankkake what, the bbss ?! those weren't free, foo. urmom was payin' for it.
asciilifeform: anyone remember the 'cuecat' ?
mircea_popescu: unclehowell as far as anyone knows, you're some guy that started talking the moment he joined and what he had to say was some sales angle. this is exactly how to end up on the ignore list of half the chan within five minutes, and on the mocklist of half the rest.
ozbot: CueCat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform shit you spoiled it
pankkake: mircea_popescu: no, we eventually had dialup that did not have a cost for the dialer; but of course you had to pay the ISP you dialed to
unclehowell: Cheers mircea_popescu, I hear you. Yeh, I'm new to this
mircea_popescu: i was keeping this as my personal private chuckle re all the ninnies with the qr codes that revolutionise w/e the fuck
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 359 @ 0.00084569 = 0.3036 BTC [+]
pankkake: unless it was those free things, our you found other, dirty ways to get it for free
mircea_popescu: pankkake wait, you're from the magical land of the minitel aren't you
Duffer1: i have like a dozen of those cats
asciilifeform: clever fellow figured out how to use cuecat as a generic scanner, the bastards sued
Duffer1: used to work at radioshack when they phased em out
asciilifeform: 'it isn't yours, we gave it to you strictly in the opening to be raped in'
pankkake: yes… minitel is the thing to blame for the lack of good internet access at the time
unclehowell: I worked Maplins. Then Cyber Security in the MOD. I love tech.
mircea_popescu: "The bars are tilted 22.5° to the left, both for stylistic reasons and to avoid Lemelson parallel barcode patent concerns."
mircea_popescu: someone patented straight lines in that fuckfest of insanity over there.
mircea_popescu: it needs a reset.
asciilifeform: lemelson is the original patent troll
asciilifeform: the grandfather of them all.
dub: we had free dialup back in the dark ages of network termination rates
unclehowell: Wave is my tech startup. So what do you guys think? Will we ever have free internet access. My only competitor seems to be Zuckerberg himself with http://internet.org/
asciilifeform: phun phact: the smithsonian museum has a 'lemelson gallery of invention hall of fame'
asciilifeform: a little like an 'eichmann museum of judaism'
unclehowell: You guys really know about the free internet initiatives. Awesome speaking to you all. Where they all failed we hope to succeed with http://wavetele.com
Duffer1: lol are you a bot?
dub: he watched my video from the other day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] 550 @ 0.0009 = 0.495 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you had a video the other day ?
ozbot: Selling is Service, Service is Selling - A Musical Training Video (Original) - YouTube
mircea_popescu: can i have fries with that ?
dub: make the gril watch it and your jimothy conversion rates will blow up
pankkake: she tried to talk in the activemining thread, I'm afraid those guys are too far gone
Duffer1: it's almost the gambler falacy in that thread
Duffer1: because all the bad luck was used up on labcoin, actm will be a huge success
pankkake: lol, never thought of that
Duffer1: i hope they're successful though, i know guys that lost only 50% of their assets in labcoin because the other 50% was in actm >.<
pankkake: to be successful they'd have to ask for things like clear financials. right now they're just encouraging more scam
Duffer1: i don't see how actm can be successful even if they turn out to be legit
pankkake: and just stopping right now and refunding whatever is left, but oh well
pankkake: not losing 100% would be a success at that point :p
Duffer1: yea pretty much
pankkake: but after figuring out they have been lied to… nothing
pankkake: actually, the lack of communication is now blamed on people who supposedly contacted easic
pankkake: so the message is "if you ask questions it will be worse"
Duffer1: i don't know why i even read that thread, it's just as stressful to me as the labcoin nonsense and i don't even own any actm
mircea_popescu: Duffer1> because all the bad luck was used up on labcoin, actm will be a huge success <<< bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: spot on methinks
pankkake: I don't know why it obsesses me either
mircea_popescu: pankkake same old story, the same derpage from new derps. the derps last three months on average, but their derpage is immortal.
Duffer1: they're voting on whether or not to move shares to colored coins
pankkake: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#445473 <= that thing made me realize that even if the shit I still have on havelock works, most of the profits won't end up in my pocket
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: honestly, I just ask myself what I would do if I had millions coming in and no accounting
pankkake: I'd just buy myself things "for the company"
Apocalyptic: or pay yourself a huge wage
Apocalyptic: cause you know CEO's got to be paid
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1141 @ 0.00084385 = 0.9628 BTC [-]
pankkake: yeah, those are usually not disclosed
pankkake: when in fiat land "CEOs" of startup don't pay themselves for years
pankkake: well, except in the dot com bubble actually
pankkake: Duffer1: the colored coin thing is weird, yes… as if the risk was in the exchange
pankkake: it's much easier for an exchange than for a business to escape the law anyway
Duffer1: it would be nice if the first colored coin experiment company wasn't a scam
Duffer1: although the information would be valuable either way i suppose
pankkake: mircea_popescu: did you write anything on the subject of the log.b-a link? I bookmarket it, but an actual article would be nice
mircea_popescu: um write like what ?
pankkake: "if you review the early history of btc scams, 2011s, you'll see most corps turned scams once the "ceo" confronted the problem of "we have cashflow. what to do with that cash ?"."
pankkake: I wonder how colored coins can handle panics
pankkake: so actually, a scam would be a better experiment!
pankkake: if you have to wait for confirmations to cancel orders
pankkake: that can be a lot of fun
mircea_popescu: it's possible there's some stuff in the early posts of mpoe-pr
mircea_popescu: there are some trilkema articles but they be in romanian as this is pre-change
mircea_popescu: pankkake: I'd just buy myself things "for the company" << Well Mr. Ipswitch since everyone of my expenses are obviously for a legitimate business purpose. ( Elaine turns on water pic to water plants.)
pankkake: in France we have "Abus de bien social" - I didn't find any translation for this (at least legal terms)
pankkake: I used to think it was to prevent people from escaping VAT
mircea_popescu: " CueCats were also bulk mailed (unsolicited) to certain mailing lists, such as subscribers of technology magazines Forbes and Wired."
mircea_popescu: that's a nice tidbit.
mircea_popescu: "En France, l'abus de biens sociaux est un délit qui consiste, pour un dirigeant de société commerciale , à utiliser en connaissance de cause les biens, le crédit, les pouvoirs ou les voix de la société à des fins personnelles, directes ou indirectes." Prescription3 ans CompétenceTrib. correctionnel
pankkake: eheh, QR codes before their time… but that device must have been very bulky
mircea_popescu: something between conversion and embezzlement i guess.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8897 @ 0.00084691 = 7.535 BTC [+]
ozbot: Booth Babes Don’t Work | TechCrunch
mircea_popescu: (Protip: It’s frowned upon when you actually put “booth babes” as line item in your budget).
mircea_popescu: it will never cease, this, will it ?
mircea_popescu: if i ever go to the ces my booth babes will be topless
mircea_popescu: they're fucking up the babeness and then pretending "it dun work".
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pankkake: topless babes might attract because of the novelty
pankkake: the "babes" posts of shows are pretty sad, as most of the girls aren't very attractive. or dressed like shit
pankkake: at least the tech shows
mircea_popescu: yes well, you can't go to the car race in a box with wheels glued on and then decide "cars are stupid"
mircea_popescu: and you don't use them to "sell", you use them to project an image.
mircea_popescu: in short, it takes skill, skill which random muppets in the freakshow do not have. big whoop. don't blame the hammer for the bumps on your head.
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pankkake: yeah so at least dress them properly!
mircea_popescu: "Many times I observed that while my team was busy in demos with other prospects, the booth babes were unable to hold the interest of these execs for the extra five minutes that I needed to get a person from our team to engage. I had no such trouble with the other ladies since I had requested that specific soft skill."
mircea_popescu: derp. some retarded 20something that can't hold anyone occupied for five minutes is in no sense of the word a "babe".
mircea_popescu: so broken, this.
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mircea_popescu: "the ones that the booth babes had no trouble attracting were often low-level, overconfident IT nubs — the guys that were already always first at the hosted bars and whose highlight for the quarter was being authorized to travel for the event. They had neither the authority nor the budget that made them ideal prospects for our sales teams. All these guys do is lower your conversion from lead to opp and lower your ROI
mircea_popescu: on the show."
mircea_popescu: ahaha the guy is so close to sprouting a mpoe-pr line, and yet he somehow just... can't.
mircea_popescu: ". First off, marketing departments in big companies are under-budgeted, under-staffed, and under-appreciated. " bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: ok, i've not had so much fun since reading the forum digest this morn
pankkake: he must work in marketing
mircea_popescu: yeah, he's one of the schmucks looking for a new gig.
mircea_popescu: remember, always be looking for a new gig.
mircea_popescu: « Aucune décision de l’assemblée générale ne peut avoir pour effet d’éteindre une action en responsabilité contre les administrateurs ou contre le directeur général pour faute commise dans l’accomplissement de leur mandat. »
mircea_popescu: dude your laws over there are fucking broken.
mircea_popescu: who owns the company, the shareholders or the french republic ?
pankkake: I think that's the part that bothered me; and it's probably there for tax reasons
pankkake: VAT is the root of all evil
pankkake: (especially when you have to write accounting software)
mircea_popescu: i certainly can't see how anyone'd accept to run his business in france.
mircea_popescu: forget any other problems : this one is enough.
mircea_popescu: clearly that state does not fully understand its inferior position to businesses.
pankkake: lol, no. in the media we have politicians always telling businessmen what they should do
mircea_popescu: yes, well, that's unfortunate. i suppose people that wish to starve will starve.
pankkake: my phobia of paperwork will always prevent me from creating a registered business anyway
mircea_popescu: In September 2000, security watchdog website Securitywatch.com notified Digital Convergence of a security vulnerability on the Digital Convergence website that exposed private information about CueCat users.[14] Digital Convergence immediately shut down that part of their website, and their investigation concluded that approximately 140,000 CueCat users who had registered their CueCat were exposed to a breach that reve
mircea_popescu: aled their name, email address, age range, gender and zip code. This was not a breach of the main user database itself, but a flat text file used only for reporting purposes that was generated by ColdFusion code that was saved on a publicly available portion of the Digital Convergence web server.
mircea_popescu: i had totally forgotten just how damned good cuecat is.
pankkake: I forgot about ColdFusion. what an horrible thing
pankkake: there was like an exploit a week
mircea_popescu: in this case it'd seem it wasn't even its fault
pankkake: more or less; those "programming is easy" tools will make people make mistakes
pankkake: like the easy crypto we talked about earlier!
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Diablo-D3: I forgot cuecat ever happened
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diametric: did I just see cuecat mentioned?
diametric: The bar code readers radioshack was giving away?
mircea_popescu: diametric yeah, they reminded me of all the fiat-bitcoin stuff going on in the 2000s
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asciilifeform: diametric: a spammer wandered in, pushing 'ad-supported net access'
asciilifeform: and somebody mentioned how he mooched from ad-based dial-ups back in the day
diametric: I was sitting in my office in 2009 when I was reading about bitcoin the first time. I loaded up the crappy web based miner at the time while I read about it. I tried finding some stuff to spend it on, but the list was like, 5 pieces. The only one interesting to me was a voip provider, but it was like 10 bitcoin a month or something.
asciilifeform: which reminded me of cuecat
diametric: if only I knew..
mircea_popescu: i had people fighting with my preconceived notions for months before i actually gave the thing a look
asciilifeform: i threw that very same web-based miner on my site for a short spell.
mircea_popescu: if only i knew... etc.
mircea_popescu: it's how it goes.
asciilifeform: and spent a while looking for possible attacks.
diametric: i actually left that web based miner running on a windows PC I never touched then
diametric: for like a month.
asciilifeform: (bitcoin superficially resembled some of my own unpublished crackpottery, and the differences struck me as 'insecure')
diametric: and then i forgot about it.
asciilifeform: i also tend to lazily read the source of things while they build (gentoo crackpots unite!)
asciilifeform: and the bitcoin source struck me as ugly and 'surely full of strange'
pankkake: hehe, trying to build bitcoin is the first time I went away
pankkake: it was using wxwidgets or something
diametric: i wonder if I can make money body scanning people and printing them into onto cocks that I can cast with food safe silicone and make edible dickheads.
diametric: err wrong channel
asciilifeform: laugh all you like, but this almost exists
asciilifeform: when i was buying castable silicone on 'amazon', the search results included a kit named 'clone-a-willy'
diametric: Panadol_: i used to be a gentoo dev
diametric: wrong p.
diametric: pankkake: i used to be a gentoo dev
diametric: there right p.
diametric: asciilifeform: yeah, but I can actually use my 3D scanner (that does full body now), and scan someones face, union it onto their own dick if they even want, and then cast it
asciilifeform: you could probably squeeze the silicone putty through an extruder.
diametric: gentoo went downhill when daniel took a job at microsoft.
asciilifeform: i still use it, grudgingly and with grumbling, from the lack of an equivalent alternative.
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pankkake: I never followed the drama, but gentoo seems to be always full of it
diametric: i mostly just ported packages to x86_64
diametric: but yeah it was full of drama
asciilifeform: pankkake: every once in a while, the gentoo dev people push out a turd that auto-breaks everything.
diametric: once in a while is relative
pankkake: that's not very surprising, but it seemed more personal drama
diametric: if you don't update your system every single week an update will fuck you
pankkake: I like gentoo because I know I can fix it, breakages don't really bother me
diametric: They used to have a policy against it, way back earlier that no emerge sync should ever break a system
diametric: but then that went out the window
asciilifeform: pankkake: same. but it sucks telling people 'i'll get nothing useful done for the next two days, have to fix xorg'
mircea_popescu: ahaha no you don't!
mircea_popescu: <diametric> i wonder if I can make money body scanning people and printing them into onto cocks that I can cast with food safe silicone and make edible dickheads.
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pankkake: I think you can get away with 2 months
diametric: mircea_popescu: i actually have everything to do this
mircea_popescu: i must admit it sounds vaguely tempting
asciilifeform: every gentoo aficionado i've ever met was an 'expatriate' from *bsd.
mircea_popescu: i could give a dickhead of me to each girl!
diametric: maybe I could make the paper again
pankkake: asciilifeform: thankfully I have written many little helpers so I can get a machine ready fast; otherwise, it looks pretty ridiculous starting a job and spending the first week configuring the base system
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diametric: asciilifeform: openbsd for me
asciilifeform: for me, it was years of freebsd
asciilifeform: until the stack of undrivered hardware widgets piled a little too high
mircea_popescu: allow me to further improve everyone's productivity.
pankkake: http://nixos.org/ seems interesting
ozbot: Nix/NixOS Home Page
pankkake: service is selling!
mircea_popescu: sealing as a searvice!
asciilifeform: misread as 'stealing as a service'
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nubbins`: ah hey, my s.mg stock warrant can be redeemed now!
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ozbot: The Cornfield :: Main Chat :: The Origin of Modern Neo-Liberal Economy | Runboard
asciilifeform: "Sewers caused all our troubles. The masses of this country are not like your Americans, nor even like the British. They are slave stock. They are good for nothing but slaves and only when they are used as slaves are they happy. But we, the decent people, made the mistake of giving them modern housing in the cities where we have our factories. We put sewers in these cities, sewers which extend right down to the
asciilifeform: workers’ quarters. Not content with the work of God, we thus interfere with His will. The result is that the slave stock increases. Had we no sewers in Madrid, Barcelona, and Bilbao, all these Red leaders would have died in their infancy instead of exciting the rabble and causing good Spanish blood to flow. When the war is over, we should destroy the sewers. The perfect birth control for Spain is the birth c
asciilifeform: ontrol God intended us to have. Sewers are a luxury to be reserved for those who deserve them, the leaders of Spain, not the slave stock."
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00528835 = 0.5235 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: - As told to Associated Press correspondent Charles Foltz, 1936. (For those interested in going to the library for a fact-check, the quote can be found in Paul Preston, “The Spanish Civil War 1936-1939,” pp. 104-105 [Dorsey Press edition].)
asciilifeform: paging mircea_popescu!
KRS1: Its a good thing they don't charge for this anymore, I was starting to wonder if I really need this software.
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