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hanbot: <BingoBoingo> hanbot: There's a team with one profoundly fat person working deep in the hot aisle putting filling up a rack. The hamplanet's moving about makes keeping a terminal plugged into the machine a precarious proposition. Will dive again later. << lol ty for the perseverance in the face (crack?) of doom BingoBoingo
lobbesbot: hanbot: Sent 6 hours and 6 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/IWcky/?raw=true Your machine is back online
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899477 <-- ty, asciilifeform! I'll update the post with a link to your mirror later today
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 04:56 asciilifeform: spyked: http://nosuchlabs.com/pub/gutentext.tar.xz for nao
lobbesbot: spyked: Sent 9 hours and 54 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> that gutenberg tarball -- didja get a chance to auto-kill all of the header liquishit ? i'd prefer to mirror a flensed copy, the 50kB of 'this text copyright wikitards(tm)(r)' is eyesore
spyked: ^ re de-header-ization: it's currently in the works, I'll shoot out another update once the new .tar.xz is ready.
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-26#1899436 <-- no, but allcomers are allcoming and allleeching.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-26 23:18 asciilifeform: spyked: that thing is on a 28kbaud modem or wat?!
spyked: !!v 8E46A9C2B6808215858F491A399AF9D0ED185CBE232C2DEECE1D5E8224810263
deedbot: spyked rated diana_coman 4 << eulora, ada and others; showed me around .ro.petroltown
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-working-philosopher-and-the-what-if-philosopher/ << Trilema -- The working philosopher and the what-if philosopher
asciilifeform no longer specifically stampcollects these, but occasionally turns up by chance
shinohai: From quantum sources!
asciilifeform: well, from poured-into-epoxy ???...
asciilifeform: btw if anyone here happens to come across 1 of these lolboxes, feel free to send to asciilifeform for xray ( if you want it back, will cost return postage )
asciilifeform: wb shinohai . what've you been up to these days ?
shinohai: im poking about with trb, gonna put up a post soon if ya wanna read
asciilifeform: will read
shinohai: asciilifeform: didja get chance to do regrind steps on trb? I would of course *like* to have your sigs there, since you wrote a bunch of old patches.
asciilifeform: shinohai: not yet. it's on the conveyor tho.
shinohai: sweet, thx
mod6: thanks asciilifeform; the one thing that changed, other than the hashes (from sha512->keccak) in the vpatches, is in the genesis.vpatch, I removed that UTF-8 character.
asciilifeform: guten tag mod6
mod6: hola!
asciilifeform: !Q later tell diana_coman were you able to build a working ave1gnat with sjljism ? or is that still an open puzzler?
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mod6 bbl
diana_coman: asciilifeform, I built it, yes; iirc you even cut open a bin compiled with it
lobbesbot: diana_coman: Sent 6 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> were you able to build a working ave1gnat with sjljism ? or is that still an open puzzler?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: iirc what i cut was built with old-stype gnat16 neh ?
asciilifeform: ( i.e. was prior to the thread where diana_coman rebuilt ave1's )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, you cut open both before and after; http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897220
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 17:04 asciilifeform: diana_coman: are we sawing'em open because it dun actually abort, or simply to compare with old gnat's sjlj , tho ?
asciilifeform: right, then.
diana_coman: the missing bit re compiling ave1's gnat with sjlj was found by ave1 : http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-16#1897189
a111: Logged on 2019-02-16 09:44 ave1: diana_coman, in system-linux-*.ads (in gcc/ada directory) you'll find the line: ZCX_By_Default : constant Boolean := False;
diana_coman: note that you'll get simply gnat with sjlj, no option to switch between zcx and sjlj i.e. --rts won't work
asciilifeform: aha, i walked back and saw this, was needed for working build
asciilifeform: it's an annoying bug, will have to be fixed.
asciilifeform: ( tho it doesn't impact asciilifeform's current item , or afaik anything else just nao )
diana_coman: I have on my conveyor first to complete and publish the full set of data zcx vs sjlj; after that I guess I'll publish the notes re building ave1's gnat too
asciilifeform loox forward to reading
asciilifeform: ^ method for running entire proggies inside intel's 'speculative' nonsense iron
asciilifeform: ^ complete with 'speculative buffer overflow' & similar lulz.
hanbot: re my cuntoo-in': i ran bootstrap.sh, got trinque's smileyface, but then "cp: cannot stat '../config/4.9.94-apu2': No such file or directory". i'm having moar surgery tomorrow, but i'll dig into this again friday.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899446 << pretty sure there was a ONE mcd in havana, best-korea style.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:17 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for all i know, already opened
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899452 << this'd be precisely why spawning's a waste of republican time. the daughter of random orcs from africa makes just as good a putative slavegirl, the son of random chinese provincial governors makes just as good putative meat for the noose as anything your missus could be bringing you home.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:22 asciilifeform: sorta how in ru today 1e6 lolcat watchers for erry d00d with half a brain who builds pdp with own hands. whereas in 1990 , 1e6 builders of pdp and 0 lolcat.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899460 << there's an island, smaller than cuba, "civilised" before it. it's where the industrialized farms dump their (otherwise unsellable) mutton bellies, in preference of having them removed as garbage.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:39 asciilifeform: soon enuff , when no moar castros, those bananistani will be living in mortgaged cardboard, eating mcd, and watching 'netflix', shitting out 'blogs' fulla malapropisms , an' ~nobody will remember any other time.
mircea_popescu: "samoans are naturally fat".
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:41 asciilifeform: e.g. how come erry man of fighting age in vz aint on the boarder, pumping lead into the 'humanitarian convoy', manning ack-ack batteries, etc ?
a111: Logged on 2018-05-22 05:18 mircea_popescu: long story short, soviet kids integrated into youth culture faster than soviet state integrated "soviet world" ; the result was the failure of the soviet state.
mircea_popescu: purely cultural problem. how come "every mayo of fightin mass" ain't on the imaginary borders of the empire, fighting the republic ? cuz they fucking can't, lol. how would they, the republic integrates their ideological system.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899468 << the thing didn't work out, but principally owing to ustardian incompetence (they failed to pay protection money, because they think they're mussolini or some duim shit). little to do with your ideal of humanity, merely a practical application of the superiority of patriarchy.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:47 asciilifeform: notbad, i suppose, if troo
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899473 << "sent" my foot. he never sent any woman any place in his life, forgeddaboutit.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 00:50 asciilifeform: sent his daughter to 'journalism' (iirc) school, just so to optimize for eventual miamiization
mircea_popescu: mod6 np.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 09:22 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-26#1899436 <-- no, but allcomers are allcoming and allleeching.
mircea_popescu: practically made for your usecase.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899500 << certainly the time to do such touch-ups.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 17:57 mod6: thanks asciilifeform; the one thing that changed, other than the hashes (from sha512->keccak) in the vpatches, is in the genesis.vpatch, I removed that UTF-8 character.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 18:15 diana_coman: note that you'll get simply gnat with sjlj, no option to switch between zcx and sjlj i.e. --rts won't work
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 18:17 diana_coman: I have on my conveyor first to complete and publish the full set of data zcx vs sjlj; after that I guess I'll publish the notes re building ave1's gnat too
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-27#1899525 << why the fuck is nobody surprised ;/
a111: Logged on 2019-02-27 18:32 asciilifeform: ^ complete with 'speculative buffer overflow' & similar lulz.
asciilifeform: guten tag mircea_popescu !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun expect you'll want to eat the whole article, but it sums to quite a bag of lulz : can run entire proggy in the 'speculated' parallel universe, in such a way that it dun logically exist on e.g. by-the-book emulator, but only on post-2009 shitcpu
mod6: mircea_popescu: ty!
BingoBoingo: <hanbot> re my cuntoo-in': i ran bootstrap.sh, got trinque's smileyface, but then "cp: cannot stat '../config/4.9.94-apu2': No such file or directory". i'm having moar surgery tomorrow, but i'll dig into this again friday. << Let me know if you need brought back online then. I can't imagine hippos work weekends, if their build is still going on by then.
asciilifeform: hrm you defo dun want to build a kernel for a dulap-style machine with 'apu2' config
asciilifeform: ( iirc trinque's orig. prototype was for the apu2 , is why it's there )
asciilifeform: it won't boot.
asciilifeform: apu2 dun have a vga, for instance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i read it, i read it. didn't surprise, either. "windows nt in javascript" or what was it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'win nt in untaken branches' aha
mircea_popescu: there was this whole "we'll do things in javascript", it's what github lives as in my memory.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure there's a windows emulated in javascript somewhere.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's what bellard was doing instead of tcc.
mircea_popescu: right. but -- and this is the truly painful part -- for a ~defensible~ reason. he was doing it instead of tcc ~for rms's failure to rule~.
asciilifeform: lol, even boots, but then 'Emulation aborted due to nested emulation timeout.'
asciilifeform: iirc there was a site that had this js dosbox thing, for old games, some even ran. (it's no way to live, imho, tho)
mircea_popescu: certainly not. yet -- it makes a point, specifically that the whole "natura expellas" is a problem not so much of nature but rather of the nature of the expeller.
asciilifeform: lazy expeller, blunt furca, or both
mircea_popescu: note how "nature" aka shit fails to "make its way through the window" and still nevertheless give the woman peripueral fever even if you ~properly~ wash your hands.
mircea_popescu: in short, there's a kind of "technology" that produces recursively these sorts of nooks and crannies for "nature, by itself" to return
asciilifeform sorta has entire www on this subj
mircea_popescu: whereas there's also a proper technology, which does not.
mircea_popescu: very much apropos, that discussion of the error of going back on the tree, which now i can't find.
a111: Logged on 2019-02-12 15:35 mircea_popescu: the only way to have sane republic is precisely the http://trilema.com/2015/causes-and-purposes/ which specifically here means, NO CALLS BACK UP THE TREE.
mircea_popescu: hanbot word!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i coincidentally re-read that piece as recently as this week ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: did not know. but it's a fairly basic observation, and i expect it occurs regularly to mircea_popescu & other thinking folx when seriously thinking re 'wai pc sux'
asciilifeform brb:meat
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/02/india-and-pakistan-exchanging-fire/ << Qntra -- India And Pakistan Exchanging Fire
BingoBoingo: ^ Tried digesting the situation in greater depth, but speakers of Alien languages where one side pretends to do English
asciilifeform: holyfuq the mustache on that d00d
BingoBoingo: Serious mustache
asciilifeform: !Q later tell phf i hate to become 'thread necromancer', but would really like a resolution of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875722 & the related quandaries some time before i die of old age. plox to comment.
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 16:26 phf: asciilifeform: before you agree to a decap, give me some more time to get you the docs, maybe they'll be enough to get things going. i'd hate to lose an ivory to get some pretty but useless pictures, i'd rather it fry on a breadboard in the process of directed discovery
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i have 3 units and xray to show precisely where to cut, and intend later this yr to start cutting !
asciilifeform: ( not today. and not tomorrow ; but asciilifeform would ~really~ not rather end up having a second http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881965 thrd ! when revving up the saw. )
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:56 asciilifeform: phf: and wasn't 'week ago', but year + 3mo ago, when i took delivery of the 2 raw ivories.
asciilifeform: ( cut and then what ? then -- (trad chemical!) photography. there aint nuffin in there that's any smaller than visible wavelength. )
asciilifeform: ... with the finest-grain film available , naturally, + http://btcbase.org/log/2018-11-28#1875800 .
a111: Logged on 2018-11-28 19:28 mircea_popescu: you put in a violet source, take a pic. next you put in a green source, take a pic. next, yellow and red.
asciilifeform: ... after that, perhaps xray backscatter on the exposed die, or similar exotica.
asciilifeform: dun even need ~that~ much magnification -- chip has 2uM features, and ordinary scanner already has 4uM x 4uM pixels.
asciilifeform does not know why this had to wait for 30 YEARS, but dun intend to let it wait another 3
mod6 booted Cuntoo
asciilifeform: congrats mod6 !
mod6: ty, feels good man
mod6: If inquiring minds would like to know, happy to elaborate. But I'll put up a blog post about it sometime before the end of the weekend I suspect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what are you cutting with ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as of yet -- nuffin
mircea_popescu: could even ~slow~ grind it off.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: will prolly end up with cnc mill
mircea_popescu: right ? just do it slow and well...
asciilifeform: (given as already have 1)
asciilifeform: can grind off micron at a time.
asciilifeform: it's not even clear that this dance is req'd, of yet, seems like there's a lid which simply needs to come off, on these
asciilifeform: potentially -- can even come off and leave working unit
mircea_popescu: you knjow, the micron at a time might be a good thing to do ~anyway~.
asciilifeform: ( heat sink is on opposite side )
mircea_popescu: yes it will take more time / cost reagents. nevertheless, "here's my micron-by-micron decap of bolix."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: from the lit, seems like it's an iffy way to take off layers, tends to induce thermal cracks
mircea_popescu: makes a definitive piece, basically.
asciilifeform: if i had 9000 units to work with, then defo would
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's why i was saying ~slow~.
asciilifeform: really oughta ~lap~'em off, rather than conventional end mill
asciilifeform: y'know, cotton wad, with diamond paste
asciilifeform: the ~real~ gold would be if could emissograph it. like those rembrandts. but i dun think my current gear is up to it.
asciilifeform: ( typically this involves 150kv+ xray, which goes straight through the film w/out exposing it, and film is then exposed by electrons emitted from ~underneath~ )
mircea_popescu: maybe the next one.
asciilifeform: well i do have 3..
mircea_popescu: "Another housemate, George, had a vicious temperament and had been in and out of jail many times. He was permanently one parole violation away from ending up back “on the inside” and had long given up any hope of getting his driver’s license back. He had been virile and fecund and had a couple of former wives who had taken out restraining orders against him and several children whom he wasn’t allowed to see. George wa
mircea_popescu: s an avid conversationalist and could easily be prompted to hold forth on any number of subjects, although his poor grasp of the facts and numerous delusional convictions invariably caused his narratives to become mired in internal contradictions."
mircea_popescu: ^ the us "right", by and large.
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3067 << Loper OS -- X-Ray Spectrography Kindergarten.
mircea_popescu: this is actually a great orlov piece ; once he abandons his nonsensical hallucinations of "having grasped the big picture" and takes up simple description he's actually quite readable.
mircea_popescu suspects "his acquaintance Tom" is rather autorepresentational, for this reason.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is certainly how i started reading him (initially had good stuff in 'small picture' re su/usa parallel)
mircea_popescu: "Tom either graduated or dropped out from an art school (accounts varied) and could turn out competent artwork if given careful direction, but he disliked being told what to do. Left to his own devices, he indulged in drawing cartoons that featured grotesque caricatures of himself plodding through post-apocalyptic landscapes littered with wrecks of his old cars and wandering shadows of his former girlfriends."
mircea_popescu: "orlov either graduated or dropped out from college, and could turn competent prose if kept on a short leash, but he tended to believe he can actually be in charge of things. left to his own devices, he indulged in antireality boat designs and ridiculous sociopolitical systematization."
asciilifeform brb,meatsystems
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-28#1899634 << forgot to add detail : 0 penetration at 10kV (aside from through unoccluded holes)
a111: Logged on 2019-02-28 03:26 feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3067 << Loper OS -- X-Ray Spectrography Kindergarten.
asciilifeform: i expect this is typical (FG is pretty thin as far as pcb goes)
asciilifeform: .. either that, or the dental film dun expose much at 10
asciilifeform: will prolly look vehehehery diff with the scintillator cassette + proper fujifilm
asciilifeform: ( crate is due in coupla days from nao )
asciilifeform: scintillator wins sensitivity in trade for contrast, tho.
asciilifeform: i'ma also try scintillator + ordinary photopaper ( some folx report usable pics via same )
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