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deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4DCE34604792B60B9F04078F9C6740D6D40919ABBD98371729DC9C886F642600 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1463...5277 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '117.103.91.227 (ssh-rsa key from 117.103.91.227 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smtp.cmi.edu. MH)
ave1: I've been working on getting a arm 64bit cross compiler + a cross compiled arm 64bit compiler, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-28#1806178
a111: Logged on 2018-04-28 16:50 asciilifeform: ^ ave1 has the closest thing to a turnkey process afaik. ( still requires finding a working gnat for ~some~ machine , somewhere, that already runs )
ave1: Unfortunately, It has taken weeks (a clean build takes a couple of hours + multiple small bugs had to be solved)
ave1: Currently I'm building the final version (I hope, I was thinking the same thing a couple of days ago)
ave1: When done + test that the cross compiled gcc actually works on an arm system I will publish.
ave1: I found out that GNAT 2016 has some support for arm 64bit, but for android and ios and not for linux. So I had to do some small patching (I also looked at the 2017 version and I still could not find plain linux support in the adacore gnat)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/4DCE34604792B60B9F04078F9C6740D6D40919ABBD98371729DC9C886F642600 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1424...2497 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '117.103.91.227 (ssh-rsa key from 117.103.91.227 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (smtp.cmi.edu. MH)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/5407C921960C226B72AD1A87AACD2DF4AD54112E25349CF9BC9269DB68BC5455 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1394...1269 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '188.137.98.146 (ssh-rsa key from 188.137.98.146 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (static-188-137-98-146.leon.com.pl. PL)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/65C32EBD426FD78D653C4C9440E3A55EEAE2217F0927439B58004887BE33AA33 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1480...0313 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '93.90.176.203 (ssh-rsa key from 93.90.176.203 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (strenge.itb-web.de. DE)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/AF8E81CF2FB7DFD3D4056C81E7E74104EE2B0918158FDB623CE02EC30621B31A << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1571...8017 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '79.174.66.57 (ssh-rsa key from 79.174.66.57 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (10441.ovz-ssd2.hc.ru. RU)
diana_coman: that sounds good ave1, looking forward to reading the post on it, when ready
esthlos: asciilifeform diana_coman: are the secure memory portions of MPI useful/worth their weight?
asciilifeform: esthlos: imho absolutely not; i haven't built a linix box with swapping to disk enabled, in decade+ ( 'secure alloc' simply means 'marked unswappable' )
asciilifeform: *linuxbox
asciilifeform: i suspect that swapping only even exists as a possibility in current day os because of wreckers.
esthlos: cool, I may make a patch which rips it out.
asciilifeform: esthlos: it was gonna, then barfed and abandoned mpi 4evah
asciilifeform: ( i have no intention of ever building anything whatsoever on it , myself )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-28#1806202 << how wouldja change the markup? i thought it was pretty clear, on http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/factors page, that you click the modcount to get the page of that factor , with detail
a111: Logged on 2018-04-28 19:17 mircea_popescu: you need better markup, as it is is confusing. is 3 or 4294967297 the factor shared by 2 or more moduli and which are htey.
asciilifeform: ( they are sorted by # of mods that contain said factor, i.e. the middle column, the clickable one )
diana_coman: esthlos, no such thing as secure memory really
asciilifeform: at some point in near future i'ma add annotations per factor (e.g. 'debian', 'mikrotik', etc )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it was a specific chumpatronic term used by koch et al
diana_coman: asciilifeform, aha; and not of much use really
asciilifeform: ( don't build boxes with swap! it is riotously stupid thing to do, full stop )
esthlos: so let's say I remove the "secure" bits of MPI code for the sake of honesty. is this a needless complication of the eucrypt vpatch tree?
asciilifeform: how can removal of crud be 'complication' ?!
diana_coman: esthlos, well, it ultimately depends on your vpatch (what it does *exactly*), neh? chopping off some unused and moreover useless parts is valuable but a. it needs to be done making sure that nothing breaks b. mpi is and will still be a pile of shit
diana_coman: (we don't have anything else to use so use the pile of shit, yes)
esthlos: if I make decrudification a patch on the genesis, probably requires no changes to eucrypt vpatch tree. but if it's a new genesis, tree breaks, no?
diana_coman: hm, why new genesis, I don't follow?
esthlos: because "crud never existed" might be simpler than "here is crud, now let's remove it"
asciilifeform: wtf, why would you put it on genesis, rather than diana_coman's proggy
diana_coman: basically if you change something on which existing patches depend then it breaks, yes; why not put it on existing fully-pressed tree though?
asciilifeform: esthlos: yer missing, i suspect , whole point of v
esthlos: asciilifeform: very possible
diana_coman: esthlos, there is no such thing as "crud never existed" ; we are not re-writing history here wtf
diana_coman: it existed and it costs (A LOT) and we are pointedly and in-your-eyes-as-visible-as-possible nuking it whenever we can
asciilifeform: esthlos: when folx do as you described, it is called 'regrind' and is very labour-intensive, and is never done without a substantial reason
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, you added a new link (on stats page). if someone clicks on that link, he is regaled with a list of unlabeled numbers.
mircea_popescu: esthlos, you wouldn't make it a patch on genesis unless you were trying to signal your disdain for diana_coman 's work so far.
mircea_popescu: and while "crud never existed" may be tempting from the hallucination-as-font-of-reality pantsuit perspective, it is nevertheless not actually the case.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the column headers do not show in yer browser ?
asciilifeform: ( it should read 'factor / # M / when found ' )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i see exactly as archive sees it : https://archive.is/rMv67
asciilifeform: this is the correct picture. i'ma add a legend on top of the tbl.
asciilifeform: ( 'factor' pgs also, i suspect, could use one )
mircea_popescu: the fact that colors alternate by2's which is not necessarily appropriate also adds to the confusion.
esthlos: hmm, I did not realize that patching the genesis directly would have those effects on diana_coman 's work
asciilifeform: hmm yea this doesn't fit the style of the other pgs, i'ma make it 1 colour
asciilifeform: esthlos: do you understand that v, deliberately and as a fundamental design choice, has no merging ?
mircea_popescu: esthlos, it's very centrally how the v mechanism is intended to / works : you get to opt which patch trees to continue, much like in the case of bitcoin.
esthlos: asciilifeform: this is where, I think, I failed
asciilifeform: esthlos: picture if you substituted a different block for block#2 of bitcoin.
asciilifeform: ( yes, you can 're live history' from 2009, but will have to do it... alone )
mircea_popescu: don't be too harsh on self ; item is deliberately made in such a way that not-quite-coincidentally is SO VERY CONTRARY to "common wisdom", unwrapping all the corners into head takes a while.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, LARPthereum! from mit cgi labs!
esthlos: haha
mircea_popescu: you are not alone, for a big tent's there with you, and all the dumb chicks nobody wants and and aaaaand.
asciilifeform: naa they're each in own puptent
mircea_popescu: terroristms.
esthlos: aha, so if I want to patch "as close to genesis as possible" the mpi lib, AND I want this patch to be used in diana_coman 's proggy, the ONLY choice is to patch current leaf of diana_coman 's proggy
asciilifeform: esthlos: correct
esthlos: ok ok, one cockroach killed?
asciilifeform: esthlos: i recommend to take vtron and experiment with it until you grasp how it works, it will click in your head quickly
mircea_popescu: iirc he even wrote a lisp one.
asciilifeform: then i admit i'm a bit surprised
esthlos: I did, but did not mess with it enough, apparently
asciilifeform: ( it is apparently possible to write a vtron, and not know what happens when you orphan a branch.. )
mircea_popescu: esthlos, did you see the recent discussion re polardbeard's sad failure to participate ?
esthlos: no, was this in past few days? I'm behind
mircea_popescu: yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable.
mircea_popescu: if instead you fall into the other mental pit of pantsuit, where you go off by self for lengthy interval and come back with an intricately complex crystal of perfect beauty, odds are it'll get ignored for lack of time to appreciate it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, hard to pick the relevant transforms from the box, what can i say. if this weren't the case "computer security" would be more akin hygiene.
mircea_popescu: ie, widely practiced successfuly.
asciilifeform was recently reading a very spiffy history of vectorism, from w.r.hamilton up, and noticed that ~same 2 problems befell 19th c maths folx
asciilifeform: lotta orphaned chains. grassman's, for instance,
mircea_popescu: historically, it was the ~only incentive to publish
mircea_popescu: contrary to the counterfactual reality us shyster constructed, "copyrights" bs.
asciilifeform bbl, meat
esthlos: mircea_popescu: I will watch for that. Last thing I want to do is to waste anyone's time
esthlos: (including my own)
mircea_popescu: especially. minigame is working on adding some fg code to eucrypt as it is, she'll prolly include your stuff if she can, so there you go. make it small, make it readable, start with one thing at a time and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-23 22:05 mircea_popescu: !!key zx2c4
a111: Logged on 2018-04-16 22:56 ckang: oh just reading, wireguard guy got upset?
zx2c4: oh, no, not at all -- just popped out fora few days
zx2c4: and then got super busy
mircea_popescu: i'll grant it's a little difficult to guess what's going on from far away. if you don't say anything people are going to eventually assume something random.
mod6: mornin'
ben_vulpes: https://text.npr.org/s.php?sid=606716569 "A lack of a trauma center was a severe indication of the institutional racism that existed on the South Side" and clearly not an indicator of the penury of the locals
mircea_popescu: well, in their alt-universe poverty is also someone else's fault.
mircea_popescu: nobody is poor because they're fucking stupid and generally worthless ; they're poor because i'm mean or some dumb shit like that.
ben_vulpes: i'm curious who's going to pay the 48MM
mircea_popescu: china via the fed credit.
mircea_popescu: us has succeded in its aspiration to be argentina. it exists as a pretend-country on the basis of foreign capital markets.
mircea_popescu: the whole "copyright" bs is very much equivalent to "los malvinas son argentinas", and other commercial claims they do not have.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/german-antisemitism-kaiser-unsurprised-by-jewish-desire-for-new-exodus/ << Qntra - German "Antisemitism" Kaiser Unsurprised By Jewish Desire For New Exodus
BingoBoingo: If only there were still a prediction market that could be used for evaluating the proposition "Schengen Exit Visas When?"
BingoBoingo: In other news the hostel this weekend is full. The staff helpfully let me know in advance so I could prepare. Given it is Autumn and the weather this weekend is biased towards torrential downpours I wondered "Who would be vacationing here at a time like this?"
BingoBoingo: Turns out the answer is a bunch of Irish potato nigger "English Teachers" doing a visa run from Argentina.
mircea_popescu: iirc i overstayed my visa by about two years.
BingoBoingo: Their answer to that point is that "the company" cares. They aren't very clear on that leading me to suspect they are human trafficking chattel brought in on a sort of year long vacation package which gives them an allowance while "the company" milks the money from the "teaching" on at least a couple sides.
mircea_popescu: seems the likely arrangement.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, turns out Irish girls are getting fat like estadounidense girls circa 2010
mircea_popescu: and in other "holy shit these people", flour bag comes with apple pie recipe. which is just as well cuz gals just baked one. the flour bag recipe calls for... 3-4 apples, HALF A POUNT OF BUTTER and two.5 cups flour.
mircea_popescu: back at reality ranch, pie dough out of a pound of butter takes like 2kgs of flour, and is enough to feed a whole regiment two days.
BingoBoingo: But how many feet!
mircea_popescu: =Search%20by%20image
mircea_popescu: very fucking totally "girl", ty wikipedia, merriam-webster and indistinct jumble of entirely unrelated messes. AI PREVAILS!
mircea_popescu: "heart opening" fucking yoga jesus f christ. essentially the future function of google will be as pantsuit-rappropiation-engine, "here's spurious associations of our irrelevant crap to actually interesting things you may understandably be interested about".
mircea_popescu: sort-of like how soviet library would offer you "lenin's writings on tensors" if you were looking for anything done by imperialist-burgeois authors in the field.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the pantsuit notion of "girl" is relevant in this world, or attaches to my chattels, exactly in the sense and to the degree cate blanchett is relevant to elizabeth the 1st.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ~would have~ offered 'lenin's writings on tensors', if stalin had not exterminated every likely perpetrator of this ( after http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1757902 incident )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 16:11 asciilifeform: kurchatov, supposedly, sat and thought, and few minutes later answered, 'perhaps from philosophical pov this'd be consistent. but then we will have to forget about obtaining the bomb.'
mircea_popescu: !!rate mocky 1 kyla glovendangle. no, seriously.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, would have.
asciilifeform: ( lulzily/apropos , asciilifeform was last night in u.of.md. library, and there was poster ~proudly~ advertising their ongoing 'transformation from storage space for books into activity space for students' -- approx exact words )
asciilifeform: accompanied by 'and here is what we instead spent on ONLINE JOURNALS!'
mircea_popescu: ncie huh
mircea_popescu: everything in the zone gotta be a dorm.
asciilifeform: in other quasi-noose, heathen node walker ( https://archive.li/FHKym today's snapshot ) reports 11 advertised trb nodez, with 9 of'em at tip-top of currentchain . iirc of the 9, 2 are actually 1 BingoBoingo box. still seems like 'aggression' worx pretty well.
mod6: The foundation's is nearly caught up as well, adding another to the list.
trinque: my pizarro node's about 90k from the top, getting there
mod6: nice!
zx2c4: mircea_popescu: by the way ive wanted to dig this up for you the last two weeks and keep forgetting
asciilifeform: !Q later tell trinque deedbot seems to have skipped a number of phuctor rss ticks today
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
zx2c4: re:your ECC skepticism and RSA-love -- a while back the NSA changed the Suite B recommendations to partially remove ECC for new crypto systems and also removed P256 IIRC. There was a great paper analyzing what the possible motivations could be, i think called 'an enigma inside a riddle' or something goofy like that. Let me find it...
zx2c4: enjoyable to read conspiracy theorizing from well qualified academics
a111: Logged on 2016-05-10 18:09 asciilifeform: http://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1018.pdf << related.
zx2c4: ahh you saw this then
mircea_popescu: some people enjoy it (called "entomological interest", here). i'm rather of the opposite persuasion, as detailed in http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-deal-with-pseudoscience/
mircea_popescu: ie, couldn't care less what the wankers wank.
asciilifeform: if only even the wanks had any variety. but nope, always ~same
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/81BE3B046D1B2FC0E035C9A15F562CFACB119A7AE4935B69F3F2D3C1CB4348F9 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1395...1003 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '87.230.86.164 (ssh-rsa key from 87.230.86.164 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (lvps87-230-86-164.dedicated.hosteurope.de. DE NW)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7F650EE9731D074E709AA535905D524450DF957951813422A481CB0FDDCC0D55 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1659...5127 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '62.153.88.113 (ssh-rsa key from 62.153.88.113 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
pinochle: I've completed an implementation of http://trilema.com/2018/trilema-poker-bot-spec/ ; In an effort to not barf all over the logs, I have it up and running in a separate channel for demonstration. Any lord interested in playing some hands can join #polkaroom
pinochle: mp, can I interest you in a game?
mircea_popescu: you can't ; because i don't know you. did you see http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-20#1803676 ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-20 16:38 ben_vulpes: pinochle: reg a key and build a name now, lest you build the thing and nobody uses it because who is this person
pinochle: yes, point taken
mircea_popescu: so who are you, anyway ?
pinochle: in the past I worked as a trader ; studied probability in school ; current work is building predictive models, often an exercise in futility
pinochle: so much noise
mod6: !~later tell jurov Please check the ML pipes, I think I got one stuck.
jhvh1: mod6: The operation succeeded.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-29 01:55 mod6: pfff http://btcbase.org/patches/genesis#L23074
mircea_popescu: pinochle, ok, do you ever read the logs ?
a111: Logged on 2018-04-29 14:58 mircea_popescu: yes, it was. to summarize, careful what you do with your patches, in the following sense : if diana_coman doesn't CONTINUE your patch, it will have to be reground later. as she's a human being with other problems and interests than folding in your alt universe, it helps IMMENSELY if you make your patches small and readable.
pinochle: yes I did
mircea_popescu: how did you figure it applies to you ?
pinochle: begin with a small, reliable contribution, don't reinvent wheels
pinochle: don't be a man alone
mircea_popescu: alright ; and you figure "hey, i implemented a poker bot" is this ?
pinochle: I see ; a motivating factor for going off and building was, selfishly, to learn
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, really.
mircea_popescu: but the key to survival is working with others ; and the key to the others being others rather than just shitty clones of yourself is for them to be independently intelligent ; and then in turn the key to working with independently intelligent folk is... making it possible for them to work with you!
mircea_popescu: "here's a black box", howsoever implemented in practice, "really lengthy patch you don't have the time to read" or "my poker bot" or whatever, is not-this.
mircea_popescu: which is also why anonimity is the pantsuit-mandated mode of behaviour for intelligent zeks online.
mircea_popescu: person-as-a-black-box needs inca's services for human interaction, hence "stop campus rape" etc.
pinochle: there is not a word I disagree with ; so I have errored in that way, but the path forward is clear
pinochle: deconstruct, refine and communicate on republican terms and in consumable bites ; that is what I shall do
mircea_popescu: there's a humongous swath of republican land just waiting for a plow shaped exactly like a trader's who studied probability in school and spends his days building predictive models.
pinochle: have not read, but will now ; that is encouraging, so lets get to work
lobbes: anyone out there with a running instance of logbot-multiple-channels-corrected (ben_vulpes, danielpbarron)? I've run into the same issue alf was having >> http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-24#1758074
a111: Logged on 2017-12-24 18:26 asciilifeform: you changed 'channel' slot in ircbot class to 'channels', but never bothered to change the corresponding line in make-ircbot !! ben_vulpes )
lobbes: my logbot-genesis instance worx fine, but I will need to have this thing sitting in at least two channels
ben_vulpes: lobbes: yeah i have one running
ben_vulpes: 2 actually
ben_vulpes: lobbes: iirc make-logbot still works but it is make-ircbot that does not
lobbes: okay, so I should be able to run the logbot-with-multiple-channels-corrected portion as long as I run the ircbot portion as the original?
ben_vulpes: why use ircbot instead of the logbot?
ben_vulpes: logbot provides a very handy set of slots for plugging responders into
lobbes: ah, okay, perhaps I'm doing this wrong. I assumed that I needed both the ircbot and logbot to be running and connected to irc concurrently
ben_vulpes: newp, just the latter
lobbes: nice, okay
lobbes: thanks!
ben_vulpes: sure thing
ben_vulpes: logbot does everything that ircbot does and in addition writes everything it sees to the log table
mircea_popescu: you know you've run this thing in a pretty confusing manner! there's like... 3 roots people don't know which to pick ?
ben_vulpes: your listening process just needs to 'listen log_new_message' and then use whatever the wait-for-message abstraction is in the programming language for your responding service to wait for the primary key to come in, read that line out of the table and then either insert a response into outbox with the appropriate target or not as it chooses
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: if lobbes wants to run ircbot separately, without the logbot functionality, he could if he liked, and without taking a dependency on the logbot stuffs. 'tis why they're separate trees.
mircea_popescu: ah so there's actually just two and yeah i see, nm.
trinque: lets people decide not to use the part that's grafted to postgres
lobbesbot: trinque: Sent 5 hours and 35 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> deedbot seems to have skipped a number of phuctor rss ticks today
trinque: ^ if it's skipping forward faster than 6 at a time, it's not going to barf them all up.
trinque: or whatever the magic number is. but there is one.
lobbes: later-tell reminded me to pose this q to the court: Should later-tells go to pm or stay in-channel?
trinque: doesn't seem to me like they're doing any harm as they work currently.
lobbes: word. well, if folx start to think it is getting too spammy, let me know
mircea_popescu: eh, so it's one line in response to human agency, how bad can it be.
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