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lobbes: phew. I finally got logbot genesis up and inserting log lines into a database on my test machine. Hardest thing was figuring out the config knobs for postgres (and side-quests such as libuuid)
lobbes: Once I migrate this to pizarro shell, I plan to harvest my notes for a detailed n00b guide on standing up a 'vanilla' logbot (with focus on operating out of /home for pizarro shellists)
lobbes: I appreciate the suggested course correction earlier mircea_popescu. Now, after a week or so of toiling, I come out of the experience with more knowledge about V, sbcl, and postgres instead of painfully acquired trivia about dead-end things such as 'tcl' or the not-long-for-this-world gribble
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, ahh it's nice to be back to braiding cordage...
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ssh pubkey pls
mircea_popescu: use diana_coman's.
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: ssh pubkey pls
mircea_popescu: you already set a server for her yes ?
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : samuel l jackson is billed as "black guy" in http://trilema.com/2009/sea-of-love/
ben_vulpes: holy doodle i think that i do
ben_vulpes: notes ftw
mircea_popescu: the whole wot-isp thing is already paying off.
mircea_popescu: this is what i fucking wanted from the get-go.
ben_vulpes: my body is reacting very poorly to spring this year
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, ack & confirmed I'm in
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-23#1804661, can confirm arrival last week, I unpacked it yesterday, all layers seem to have been intact / untampered with!
a111: Logged on 2018-04-23 00:35 asciilifeform: ave1 didja get it ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and it only goes downhill from here.
mircea_popescu: nice ave1 !
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes, send me invoice for rest of year for it too.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is your "standard" mpwp installation linkbroken by default ?
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, I don't need the wp stuff; what do I need to do to nuke it ?
mircea_popescu: rm -rs!!
diana_coman: or uhm, ben_vulpes what's the link at which *my stuff* is served?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, this usually goes the other way around : he tells you a ns, and i set the domain to point to it.
mircea_popescu: last time the process resembled pulling teeth, eventually ended up using qntra's ns.
mircea_popescu: they still have to create a zone for you.
diana_coman: I was hoping that part was already done :D
diana_coman: since I did not get any ns anyway
diana_coman: so basically now I can plonk all my stuff in there and ...wait
mircea_popescu: just about. you should be able to use the old reference style though, http://ip/~username/
diana_coman: apparently not: "not found"
diana_coman: I tried that first, earlier
mircea_popescu: i dunno wtf defaults they use.
diana_coman: hence my q to ben_vulpes as to what link I can use to see my stuff at all
mircea_popescu: word. ima bbl.
mod6: Mornin TMSR~
diana_coman: morning mod6 !
mod6 waves
mod6: The weather has finally turned here! A few nice spring days we've had, after 6 months of winter.
mircea_popescu: nice then huh
mod6: Sure beats rolling blizzards, that's for sure.
mod6: Ugh, this coffee is horribru.
mod6: :D
mircea_popescu: life's too short for bad coffee.
mod6: yeah, I could probably degrease my lawn-mower engine with this rot.
mircea_popescu: why don't you come over ? i'll buy you a bag.
mod6: That'd be wonderful. I'd like to give real coffee a-go.
mod6: I saw on of your pictures (I think from a breakfast table), where it looked like there was a funnel/filter direct into the cup.
mod6: *one
mod6: Looks amazing!
mircea_popescu: they do not give a flying fuck over here, use 1/4 lb of fresh ground coffee for one cup, throw it away.
mod6: O.O
mircea_popescu: it's like it grows on trees.
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: mod6, i kid you not, that's what you saw there.
mod6: Coffee opulence
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Do you need any DNS records other than one pointing to your slice?
mod6: Morning asciilifeform, feeling any better?
BingoBoingo: Are your parotids normal sized?
BingoBoingo: Probably not mumps then
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, yes lobbes needs logs.minigame.bz forwarded.
BingoBoingo: lobbes: Where do you need logs.minigame.biz pointed?
lobbes: BingoBoingo: 192.121.170.137 plox
BingoBoingo: Aite, there is a zone on ns1.qntra.net and ns2.qntra.net for minigame.bz
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, say when ready i'll make the switch.
deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/070-bucharest-botanical-garden.html << The Tar Pit - Bucharest botanical garden in the spring, as viewed through a couple of camera lenses
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I've transfered the stuff to the folder from ben_vulpes said apache serves; but more than that I can't check/see
mircea_popescu: aite let's see what happens if i plif the switch.
mircea_popescu: ugh somehow i fucked this up
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, it's .biz not .bz! sorry!
BingoBoingo: Aite, one sec
mircea_popescu: i have nfi how this is even fucking possible, but my dns zone is currently ns1 ns2.minigame.bz EXCEPT the domain is .biz
mircea_popescu: holy shit what the fuck is going on here.
mircea_popescu: oooh i see the problem. ok so, i owned both .biz and .bz, back when i used namecheap. i transferred the latter but not the former to namesilo back when all those shenanigans occured. so .bz item is captive in namecheap, Registry Expiry Date: 2019-07-01T16:40:17Z. but basically i'm letting it lapse ; so erryone will have to update to the .biz version and we can pretend this all never occured.
mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo use .biz plox ; lobbes you'll be logs.minigame.biz rather than logs.minigame.bz as before. sorry about that.
BingoBoingo: Aite, good to go
mircea_popescu: done here as well.
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: server is configured to respond to minigame.bz, per ^^ will be updating to serve minigame.biz and www.minigame.biz
ben_vulpes laboring under serious immune system load and cognitive deficit
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, k
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: everything in ~/www needs to be 0755, may i effect that for you?
trinque suggests something like diana_coman:apache and 0750
ben_vulpes: yeah?
ben_vulpes: i'm all ears, i've erred to date on what i think is safer but i lack a model
ben_vulpes: trinque: that makes total sense
trinque: if you do chmod g+rX it'll make directories traversable, but not go around marking everything executable
trinque: can then do something like find /path/to/www -iname '*.php' -exec chmod g+x {} \;
ben_vulpes: right, neat
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, yes, go ahead
diana_coman: trinque's suggestions sounds good to me
lobbes: Aite. I'll have to make some minor tweaks later to reflect the new domain extension. Will let you know once logz are back in business >> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-23#1804804
a111: Logged on 2018-04-23 17:03 mircea_popescu: so BingoBoingo use .biz plox ; lobbes you'll be logs.minigame.biz rather than logs.minigame.bz as before. sorry about that.
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: website appears up to me, although that may just be /etc/hosts, i'm not up to speed on dns propagation yet
diana_coman: I can't yet see it from here - will give it some time and check again later
ben_vulpes: yup, just checked without local routing and no resolution.
diana_coman: btw thanks BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: No problem at all
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/04/cisco-products-hit-with-vulnerability-in-firms-security-markup-language/ << Qntra - Cisco Products Hit With Vulnerability In Firm's "Security Markup Language"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ack
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ty
BingoBoingo: no, ty
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-04-23#1804815 << in this particular case it's nothing but a filestore, mostly for things like ... o hey look lobbes , eulora log no-go.
a111: Logged on 2018-04-23 17:27 trinque: if you do chmod g+rX it'll make directories traversable, but not go around marking everything executable
mircea_popescu: annnd no, minigame.biz does not resolve. BingoBoingo ben_vulpes ^
mircea_popescu: you really need this to work easier than multi-day multi-attempt sorta thing.
mircea_popescu: "Begin testing delegation for minigame.biz. Name servers listed at parent: ns1.qntra.net,ns2.qntra.net Failed to find name servers of minigame.biz/IN. No name servers found at child." <
BingoBoingo: My bad, I forgot a line break answers now http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ME8bh/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: therew we go, foncirned.
mircea_popescu: shit internal references broken also. diana_coman when you have a moment run a sed /minigame.bz/minigame.biz/ plox.
diana_coman: ugh mircea_popescu I changed to minigame.biz and now the ownership of the files reverted to me and therefore index.html not available and it's again screwed; ben_vulpes ?
diana_coman: gah, I meant: permissions got screwed, not ownership
diana_coman: I'm not sure how this will work if groupownership of file changes from apache to my user every time I modify a file
diana_coman: files created in the ~/www dir should default /inherit apache group
mircea_popescu: diana_coman, you can just chown yourself neh
mircea_popescu: chown -r diana:apache or w/e
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, I need to change the *group*
mircea_popescu: was it apache:diana ?!
diana_coman: no,I need to change from diana:diana to diana:apache
mircea_popescu: so do that.
mircea_popescu: but i'll admit this sounds somewhat awkward.
diana_coman: iirc that required root rights but will try
diana_coman: myah, operation not permitted
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, plox fix ^
mircea_popescu: well wait a second, wtf fix is this, "you can either edit your files or have them served by apache but not both" ?!
diana_coman: since it seems the fix to the fix is another wait, I'll set for now 755 on the files as otherwise ckang still won't be able to get the client and try the game
ben_vulpes: $user:$user and 0755 is what's been most useful on other sites; i think that'd be best here as well
diana_coman: why exactly?
diana_coman: I think trinque's suggestion makes perfect sense, as long as new files get by default user:apache too
ben_vulpes: ok i'll look into how to make new files inherit from parent dirs
spyked: TIL: setgid (g+s) should do the trick.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, all trilema.com files are trilema:trilema and somehow(tm) work.
ben_vulpes: spyked: thx, now to figure out what needs installing from portage to get setgid
ben_vulpes: ah i think i see how to get it with chmod
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is there a working mpex url ? i am standing snsa www / phuctor up today
asciilifeform: and the old one (.biz) dunwork
mircea_popescu: nope not yet.
mircea_popescu: but will be same one, so don't worry about it.
ben_vulpes: okay, gotit. diana_coman i'm going to run chmod -R g+srX your www dir
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, ok
ben_vulpes: please confirm that new files show up as diana_coman:apache
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, new files show up as diana_coman:apache BUT apparently still not with the right permissions to get served
diana_coman: at least I can change the permissions though to what they need
ben_vulpes: well that's still not great; they're not inheriting from the parent directory?
diana_coman: the file inherited the group ownership but not the group permissions from what I can tell
trinque: eh actually there were cobwebs between my ears when I gave that suggestion
ben_vulpes: i suppose they wouldn't, that being controlled by umask
trinque: probably easier move is to just add apache to the diana group
diana_coman: i.e. new file had r and write for user but nothing for group
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: yeah i think that comes from the user-level umask, which as i understand it sets permissions on individual files on create
deedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2277 << Loper OS - The Return of Phuctor!
asciilifeform: snsa www also updated.
asciilifeform: folx with snsa links to archive.is -- feel free to switch back to the realthing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform diana_coman Congrats
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: nao with ~100x faster db
asciilifeform: ( combo of ssd and various postgresisms )
ben_vulpes: i am interested in the postgrestisms you used
ben_vulpes: ah i actually had a conversation with a little lady about the 'dirty read' thing last night
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: wouldja believe, nothing exotic
asciilifeform: ... indices.
asciilifeform: i had nfi they existed.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: lolk
asciilifeform: book-larnin'(tm)(r)
ben_vulpes: megawatt of iron or two indices hue
asciilifeform: i didn't go to no db school, lel, ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: at any rate -- it worx.
trinque chortles
asciilifeform: chortle, it's fair.
trinque: naw, congrats on phuctor's rebirth!
asciilifeform: ty trinque !
asciilifeform: trinque: lemme know when you've added the rss back in; i'ma start up the werker later tonight
asciilifeform bbl, meat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, o hey!
ben_vulpes only ever attended cs program of hard knocks
mircea_popescu: now let's test the keys of folk who showed up in the meanwhile huh.
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, trinque this is just too brittle : how about moving dirs/files in there?
trinque: did ya see my last?
diana_coman: so I guess it'll have to be 755
mircea_popescu: !!key zx2c4
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: shall i add apache to the diana_coman group before you 755 up?
ben_vulpes sitting for remedial unix permissionsology at SOHN this afternoon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> i had nfi they existed. << well they were mentioned duyring the 3-4 optimization threads about 3-5x each time, but...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily enuff still, i laboured under the misconceived notion that they existed ~by default~
mircea_popescu: do what indices i mean!
asciilifeform: didn't occur to me for even a moment that it doesn't make a btree for all params!!
asciilifeform: believe or not
asciilifeform: had to read the fucking docs, to learn this.
mircea_popescu: anuyway, i can see the angle ; but it's one of those cases where ai is much cheaper than just letting the person make the settings.
mircea_popescu: they take space, see ? lots of space.
ben_vulpes: \dt woulda shown you indices on the table too asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: some of my heavy hit tables are 60% indexes by weight.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also laboured under the notion that the thing 1) auto-indexed 2) to fill available space
mircea_popescu: yawell. different decade.
asciilifeform: (2) was suggested by all of the various lit suggesting 'expand room given for indices'
diana_coman: ben_vulpes, no, enough experimenting I'd say
ben_vulpes: thanks for your patience diana_coman
asciilifeform: ok i'ma genuinely bbl
mod6: danielpbarron: got it! Thanks for the t-shirt too. Fits good.
asciilifeform: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/faq << 'credits' links, being old deceased btcalpha links, fixed , replaced with modern wot.deedbot
asciilifeform: if anybody spots other dead linx -- plox to write in.
ben_vulpes: sweet, asciilifeform !
asciilifeform: hanbot: in http://thewhet.net/2018/04/mp-wp-genesis some of the linx are broken ( have mysterious chars in'em )
ben_vulpes: fg is a nice addition
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: my link to http://danielpbarron.com/2017/fucking-goats/ is a 404...
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: is it coming back, or should i remove it on my side
hanbot: ty asciilifeform, fixt.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: asciilifeform subscription to http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/rss failed
asciilifeform: hmm is this meant to work ? trinque ? ^
asciilifeform: ... meanwhile i've resumed feeding the thing. we're on parcel #8 of the Framedragger set ( of a total of 13 ) .
asciilifeform: after these get eaten, prolly will be ripe for a refresh of sks
asciilifeform: ( we last did sks in 2016 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, iirc he said he does it by hand
asciilifeform: ok, will then have to wait for trinque to wake up, then will reactivate werker
asciilifeform wonders who the regular l0gz reader in the darkest africa of the inside washington dc city walls is... phf ?
phf: asciilifeform: if something hit your phuctor logs from dc just now, that would be me, yes
trinque: asciilifeform: I added it; fire away
trinque: the !!subscribe lever is detached, yes, since it used to run back to a pretty sad pile of duct tape.
trinque understands spyked to be working on a superior rsstron
asciilifeform: trinque: ty; activated.
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