#trilema | 2018-02-26

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ave1: So request is to create a rss-reader bot, that can subscribe / unsubscribe on request from L1 only?

mircea_popescu: hey, keep with the zero overhead ada compiles

ave1: Yes, that one is almost done, hard part is making a blog item, will do that first

ave1: I will finish blog post this week

lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786246 << ahh okay, I misunderstood (glad I asked). So each archived webpage will have its own abstract syntax tree of the code. Now I'm starting to see the utility in deduping (e.g. can ignore 'meaningless' changes between otherwise identical webpages (such as an extra whitespace, etc))

a111: Logged on 2018-02-26 03:27 mircea_popescu: lobbes you understand what the AST is for a [web]page [of code] ?

mircea_popescu: lobbes webpages are just idiotic programs. you familiar with how the dom works ? it's just a tree structure, more grossly of resources ("img src=" ; script = " etc) and more finely of tagged elements (<b> <div> etc).

mircea_popescu: nobody can possibly force you to save image sluts-in-water-12.jpg EVERY TIME some page links it. yes ?

mircea_popescu: so in this sense, keeping the merkle trees of sites is the ultimate de-duping

mircea_popescu: which is the original problem you started with.

mircea_popescu: but the implications are far-reaching (for one example : sinonymy rings can be declared, whereby a set of images are declared equivalent to trilema's rss.svg, so i can simply see that in there instead of w/e insanity the author picked)\

lobbes: this is making more and more sense, ty.

lobbes: re: dom, I've been wondering if it would be worth it to leverage this to build the trees. alternative I guess would be to parse the downloaded files from archive.is and build based on that

mircea_popescu: well, it's a huge field, like a major cave-in you stumbled upon here. i don't expect it'll be done in one hack

lobbes: word. iterative approach makes sense. see what works, improve, repeat.

jurov: ben_vulpes: gpg: encrypted with RSA key, ID 4C4FCE69 gpg: decryption failed: secret key not available

jurov: oops i tried to decrypt oG7AA instead of MOuRX, nevermind

jurov: and ack, schedule for reboots and raid corruptions was set

jurov: oops jkjk

mircea_popescu: soo i'm trying to dig up an ancient discussion (in which i proposed to alf he weighs something PRECISELY). i can't find it, of course, but meanwhile http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336297 http://btcbase.org/log/2013-09-30#336298

a111: Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: Protandrous hermaphrodites refer to organisms that are born male and at some point in their lifespan change sex to female. Protandrous animals include clownfish. Clownfish have a very structured society. In the Amphiprion percula species, there are zero to four individuals excluded from breeding and a breeding pair living in a sea anemone. Dominance is based on size, the female being the largest and the male being the

a111: Logged on 2013-09-30 07:12 mircea_popescu: second largest. The rest of the group is made up of progressively smaller non-breeders, which have no functioning gonads. If the female dies, the male gains weight and becomes the female for that group. The largest non-breeding fish then sexually matures and becomes the male of the group.

mircea_popescu: then we wonder why the kids are "transgender". but as their life conditions become more like these offered by sea anemone (ie, a very sparse stone cubicle in a very hostile ocean), the clows will naturally be more like clownfish.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you remember this btw ? exact sister argument to the dioxin-less tomato crate, but with "weigh EXACTLY, fucker" instead.

deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/technology-and-governance/ << Trilema - Technology and Governance

deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/02/argentine-coast-guard-fires-on-and-is-outmaneuvered-by-chinese-fishing-vessel/ << Qntra - Argentine Coast Guard Fires On And Is Outmaneuvered By Chinese Fishing Vessel

mod6: mornin'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: quite frustrating, i know there ~was~ this thread. but no dice re finding when, where.

mircea_popescu: myeah. i spent an unpleasant coupla hours earlier at this also

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786219 <-- hey, that sounds like a really neat project, I wouldn't mind adding it to the list. on a related note, /me has been on a sort of semi-holiday for the last 2 months, which led to a lot of exploration on items of potential republican interest. e.g. the ada lisp scriptlang, an irc logger bot (which I could spin into a rss bot), the text browser thing and some out-of-the-blue ro-en Trilema

a111: Logged on 2018-02-26 00:39 mircea_popescu: douchebag ? spyked ? esthlos ? ave1 ? mats ?

spyked: translations. I've been piling 'em up and taking them in small bits, which makes this very much non-productive work on the short term. I can prioritize if you deem any item to be particularly important (and I think it'd be best to first publish some of these before embarking on further quests)

douchebag: hm?

mircea_popescu: spyked the bot is a solved problem, genesis and all.

spyked: mircea_popescu, do you mean the irc logger? well, I figured moar redundancy can't do any harm; and it started as an occasion to study the various ways in which common lisp can handle the various pieces (database, irc, http). what I have so far is not very different from btcbase.org/patches/logbot-genesis , only I made it a point to avoid quicklisp and use manual imports etc.

mircea_popescu: i guess. but there's so much work not currently bering handled seems somewhat of a waste to re-do things already done.

mircea_popescu: what exactly is the benefit of redundancy in correct code ?

mircea_popescu: redundancy is for known-broken items

spyked: oh, I meant redundancy in "standing a logger bot", not necessarily in re-coding.

mircea_popescu: well that sure, just press it and voila.

mircea_popescu: anyway, more generally, don't do the work-for-drawer idiocy. do things ; publish them, and so on.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'll take 'em in exchange for the note at 0.5. ty!

mircea_popescu: deal.

mircea_popescu: send asciilifeform shipping deets.

ben_vulpes: ack

asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: also plox to specify if you want the usb snakes, or sans ( the latter -- slightly faster , i 'jit'-stock snakes )

ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/hfwYb/?raw=true

ben_vulpes: can ya'

ben_vulpes: can you jit them to me instead of your workshop?

asciilifeform: sure.

ben_vulpes: please to

asciilifeform: ok worx. all goes out by thurs at the very worst.

ben_vulpes: mmmmk

ben_vulpes: please let me know when you get a delivery date as well

mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes now getting back to this deal of ours. 0.345773172 for a year of box as detailed ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785941 ) + 0.014 for one month of rack + ??? for a pair fgs

a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 18:53 ben_vulpes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.345773172 one year of http://pizarroisp.net/?p=9

mircea_popescu: aaalmost there.

mircea_popescu: also, are you gonna sell 5 to mod6 for an instant paper profit ? lol.

ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm going to roll the FGs into the rental cost of the machine; 20% markup for a year paid up front for the whole kit and caboodle if that passes with you

mod6: lol, if i wanted to get middleman'd, i'd get 'em from dpb!

mircea_popescu: well... it'll pass with me for fairytale reasons (irl i wouldn't have any reason to buy insurance on a fg, seeing how that'll be the day, and besides i got alf to squeeze ; but let's play.)

mircea_popescu: mod6 so is pizarro gonna sell you things at cost ?!

mod6: i doubt it.

ben_vulpes: aight thanks mircea_popescu

mod6: tis why, was hoping to buy direct from nsa.

mod6: but if there are not 5 remaining, then there are not 5. will figure something else out.

asciilifeform was just about to retort to 'insurance on fg, lol' with 'fg is eternal iron' but then remembered that cpld's eeprom is rated for somewhere like 20yrs. naturally it can be refreshed via the jtag connector and my signed payload, as many times as one likes.

mircea_popescu: mod6 no offense, and sorry for the contorted ; but in thew business game we're currently playing nsa is going to only want to sell in bulk see

mod6: Alrighty.

mircea_popescu: so unless you actually want the next 100 once we assemble them... you're stuck dealing with one or the other

mod6: Fair enough.

spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786295 <-- makes plenty of sense; it never crossed my head to not publish, it's more a matter of discipline (whipping myself up into shape and focusing)

a111: Logged on 2018-02-26 17:23 mircea_popescu: anyway, more generally, don't do the work-for-drawer idiocy. do things ; publish them, and so on.

deedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y04/06c-ffa-egypt-proof.html << The Tar Pit - Egyptian div and mul "work": a correctness proof for the arithmetic operations in FFA Chapter 5

mod6: Alright, I'm taking quotes on those 5 FGs now. Please add in a bit for shipping to MN. Would like to see them packaged like this: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/20170328_125346.jpg

mod6: danielpbarron, ben_vulpes ^.

BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 10246.81, vol: 14354.04888975 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 10230.25145315, vol: 43778.80132675 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 10248.7, vol: 8600.73993726 | Volume-weighted last average: 10236.1907911

ben_vulpes: mod6: i'll do the 5 for 0.7838890 btc; that's a 10% markup from pizarro's cost plus ~20usd for shipping

ben_vulpes: sorry 0.07838890

mod6: Thanks ben_vulpes! I'll leave it open for danielpbarron here yet. See what he comes up with.

mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-26#1786334 <<->> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-24#1785964 price drop!

a111: Logged on 2018-02-26 19:19 ben_vulpes: sorry 0.07838890

a111: Logged on 2018-02-24 19:23 mod6: !~calc 0.0395 * 5

mod6: Aha, very competitive pricing there.

mod6: Wanna give dpb a chance here tho, before I accept. I feel like 24 hours should be fine since the time of my posting.

danielpbarron has no better offer

mod6: Ok, fair enough, I appreciate your response danielpbarron. I'll probably need more eventually anyway.

mod6: ben_vulpes: It's a deal then! Can pay sometime today yet. Invoice me if you like even. I'll pay with my deedbot acct.

mod6: Will provide shipping details later also.

BingoBoingo: From the Bawlling And Butthurt files: https://archive.is/w4daN "Westminster’s prospective buyer only changed its name from Jiangsu Zhongtai Bridge Steel Structure Co. to Kaiwen at the end of December"

BingoBoingo: !~later tell joecool It looks like you sat too long putting togther that "exclusive". Now the world knows Craig Wright is being sued for 10 Billion dollars and such are the wages of convincingly faking the wrong papers.

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.

BingoBoingo: !~seen joecool

jhvh1: BingoBoingo: I have not seen joecool.

BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785174

a111: Logged on 2018-02-19 23:11 joecool: BingoBoingo: probable creators of bitcoin filed suit against each other last week, I have the complaint

mircea_popescu: talk about waste.

mircea_popescu: !~rated joecool

jhvh1: mircea_popescu: Error: "rated" is not a valid command.

mircea_popescu: !!rated joecool

deedbot: mircea_popescu rated joecool 1 at 2015/05/07 16:00:17 << Approximately new blood :p

mircea_popescu: !!rate joecool -1 wastrel.

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