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mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735714 << dood, btc is easy. literallty given away for doing ~nothing.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 23:00 asciilifeform: do you , personally care , ben_vulpes , which muppet 'withdraws' and is replaced by which other muppet ?
mircea_popescu: that the fucktards stubbornly refuse to do it speaks to the fucktards' utterly incredible fucktardation, not to how hard it is to get.
mircea_popescu: whole generation of stupid cunts will have to explain to their granddaughters, "and then in 2017 i was a cretin and missed on the opportunity to make 2 bitcents writing on my ugly ass tits nobody cares about, and that's why you can't have your private island. o look, barrista break's over, back to work"\
mircea_popescu: which of course they'll pretend like they don't have to do then, just like they pretended they don't have to do now.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735724 <<< that's not the important part. the important part is that the whole population of libertards, feminists etcetera could accuse you or i all day long, shittington post will... print 0.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 23:07 asciilifeform: it isn't about 'accusations', you or i could accuse all day long and they will print 0
mircea_popescu: the crap only works ON their own pantsuit.
mircea_popescu: so no, it isn't about accusations. it's about the implicit vulnerability of being pantsuit.
mircea_popescu: sooner or later, yes they will fuck you over. it's definitional.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735788 <- I don't really see how it is linux' fault here; so prolific used to make the pl2303 and old linux worked fine with it and still does; THEN they (or chinese cheap copies dunno) made a DIFFERENT thing pl2303x that has however the same serial id and everything so you can't distinguish between them before plugging them in pretty much; and so yes, old linux won't work because it sees it as pl2303 whe
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 00:58 asciilifeform: it's a pl2303 , ought to work ( though see diana_coman 's recent thread , on certain egregiously braindamaged linuxen there is a bug )
diana_coman: n it is "new" pl2303x; *newer* linux will work because basically they have been adapted to the idiocy so they check and adapt
diana_coman: for the curious there are in fact 2 prolific-stamped documents describing pl2303 and pl2303x; pl2303x seems to be a sort of upgrade to 64bits but why couldn't it be properly identified as distinct I don't know
asciilifeform: diana_coman: this is unfortunately quite typical.
asciilifeform: must've happened long ago -- all of my gentoo boxen work with the ttl snakes
asciilifeform: ALL ttl snakes i currently know of, are stereotypicachinese rubbish
asciilifeform: without exception
asciilifeform: not only the driver thing, but even the plastic shells come apart when handled one too many times; the sockets come off the wires; etc
diana_coman: asciilifeform, myeah; ftr I opened them to look but - as expected - not much to see
asciilifeform: pc is epic piece of shit, with modern vlsi it could have 50 working uarts for a few cents. instead ships with 0
diana_coman: in other things: I have been playing around with keccak and in particular with PeterL's ada implementation; as far as I can see it conforms to Version 3.0 keccak reference but I'm not sure re testing; any known test vectors for it? (the test vectors on current keccak's site seem to be for sha3)
asciilifeform: old site had'em
diana_coman: ah,hm, I thought they were same; I'll dig up the archive then and check
asciilifeform: gotta find a copy somehow ( asciilifeform doesnt appear to have )
diana_coman: hopefully still them, will see
asciilifeform: it definitely had the pre-usgization keccak gold standard. can generate tests from this.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735812 << noshit.jpg, it works for kicking people out of номенклатура , and this dun work if yer not in it to begin with
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 09:01 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735724 <<< that's not the important part. the important part is that the whole population of libertards, feminists etcetera could accuse you or i all day long, shittington post will... print 0.
asciilifeform: tho there was that one chix with the cartoon, who was sacked from her job as... cachier ? ( whatever happened to her )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735807 << lol not everybody has titz ( and some have already fired theirs !1)
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 08:37 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735714 << dood, btc is easy. literallty given away for doing ~nothing.
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, btc is virtually impossible to get
a111: Logged on 2017-10-28 07:14 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-27#1730037 << am i the only 1 for whom spending btc feels moar like selling organs than spending money, tho
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735810 << this isnt any sadder than , e.g., the 5 whole coinz asciilifeform lost in the alphago thing. or the infamous toyota, etc
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 08:38 mircea_popescu: whole generation of stupid cunts will have to explain to their granddaughters, "and then in 2017 i was a cretin and missed on the opportunity to make 2 bitcents writing on my ugly ass tits nobody cares about, and that's why you can't have your private island. o look, barrista break's over, back to work"\
diana_coman: asciilifeform, eulora is a way to get btc; no tits required either
asciilifeform: anybody made a whole coin yet ?
asciilifeform: or how many centuries that would take ?
asciilifeform: ( to be fair, i did not think that the coin were supposed to be the appeal )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, iirc several people exchanged their ecu for btc and cashed out though no idea how much it was exactly (they usually come in with "will make whole coin!!!111 won't quit!!!" and then crash out of it a few days later)
diana_coman: recently 1 ECu = 10 satoshi so arguably it takes longer now to process same value in game, yes; but dunno about centuries and it certainly was NOT this that held people away until now, you know
asciilifeform: i'll concede that eulora apparently does yield nonzero coin, for someody. but i must also admit that, tho i respect the work of diana_coman , mircea_popescu , et al, i dun particularly digest mmporgs ( or even play much game at all any moar )
diana_coman: ugh, the other way around
diana_coman: 1 satoshi = 10ECu
asciilifeform: when i sit to play a game, it feels like dereliction of duty, with, e.g., ffa yet undone, dulap not yet replaces, scintollator rng not complete, 9000 other processes
diana_coman: asciilifeform, funny enough I'd say the chief complaint is precisely that "it's not mmorpg as we know it"
asciilifeform: i can't even tetris no moar, diana_coman
asciilifeform: much less eulora.
asciilifeform: i suspect that i recycled that part of my head.
diana_coman: eh, eulora play means 15 minutes per day deciding what to do and giving task to bot; but I get the idea, I'm not pushing it on anyone really
asciilifeform: yea i did get the 'core wars' flavour from the bot thing
asciilifeform: it sounds neat
asciilifeform: in unrelated lulz, bch shitcoin pumped back by someone, to august price
diana_coman: in other news: data collection on rsa with random co-prime e and then with random prime e almost ready; at first glance on co-prime encryption:decryption times are as expected approx 4:1 (crt); with prime e the ratio is more like 2:1
diana_coman: will write it up properly and publish the whole thing these days but this is first glance at it so feel free to comment
asciilifeform: diana_coman: that sounds rather like what you would expect, neh
asciilifeform: the ratios
diana_coman: key generation takes ofc more for prime e than merely co-prime
asciilifeform: did you actually factor the nonprime e, to crtize ?
asciilifeform: or why would the ratio there differ
asciilifeform: ( gpg-mpi's mod exp doesnt do anything special with composite exponents, that would automatically speed the op )
asciilifeform: btw i had a lulzy idea re public exponents
asciilifeform: they're, well, public. ergo could easily be , say, nextprime(commentstring)
asciilifeform: or any other user-controlled field .
diana_coman: asciilifeform, tbh that's why I've wrote it down here as I'm not really sure why that difference; I did not do any additional factorising or anything
diana_coman: existing koch-rsa, simply once with co-prime e, the other time with prime e
asciilifeform: pretty odd.
asciilifeform: paste the code ?
diana_coman: I looked through the relevant mpi part but I can't say I get it to that degree to be able to figure this out
diana_coman: what part of code ?
diana_coman: the rsa is same as last time
asciilifeform: the different from last experiment, part.
asciilifeform: ( moar formally for http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735872 : pub exp for asciilifeform would be equal to nextprime(keccak4096('asciilifeform pithy comment and current postage etc'))
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 14:26 asciilifeform: they're, well, public. ergo could easily be , say, nextprime(commentstring)
diana_coman: asciilifeform, this bit I suppose http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/I4TGT/?raw=true
asciilifeform: i'ma think, over cup of tea, re why the diff
diana_coman: eh asciilifeform nevermind, I'm silly
diana_coman: e there is half the bits so 2048 instead of 4096
diana_coman: so yes, unsurprising; switched it to 4096 bits and time jumped accordingly to ~4 instead of ~2
diana_coman: will collect full data set on this proper too and then see what it shows exactly
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735820 << because everyone's preoccupation in fiatlands is how to force people to "upgrade". cars, serial chips, whatever.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 10:14 diana_coman: for the curious there are in fact 2 prolific-stamped documents describing pl2303 and pl2303x; pl2303x seems to be a sort of upgrade to 64bits but why couldn't it be properly identified as distinct I don't know
mircea_popescu: and the very naive idea that sort of mind comes to is that "if i deny labels to realities i don't like they'll not exist".
mircea_popescu: which works about as well as anything else they do.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735827 << yeah, BUT IT IS BACKWARDS COMPATIBLE!!! with windows.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 13:44 asciilifeform: pc is epic piece of shit, with modern vlsi it could have 50 working uarts for a few cents. instead ships with 0
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735834 << hey, sometimes the obvious bears repeating.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 13:53 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735812 << noshit.jpg, it works for kicking people out of номенклатура , and this dun work if yer not in it to begin with
mircea_popescu: don't join the politruks, don't have politruk problems later on. also, http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/
mircea_popescu: (yes, "a plea bargain" has nothing to do with justice or anything else. it is simply a contract with a theatrical company, you agree to play a role on the lowest rung. it's exactly like 1950s hollywood system signing up to be an extra. you will be... an extra... in someone else's movie... about shit that interests them.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735837 << boys go to war or go away ; also, nobody asks you to sell your bitcoin. sell the worthless things, such as tits, not the valuable things.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 13:56 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735807 << lol not everybody has titz ( and some have already fired theirs !1)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735842 << substantially different. you could have also won. they -- CAN NOT. it's not "oh, i have a choice between republic and mundane life". there is no possible result from mundane life.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 14:01 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735810 << this isnt any sadder than , e.g., the 5 whole coinz asciilifeform lost in the alphago thing. or the infamous toyota, etc
mircea_popescu: stipendi peccatus mors est.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735846 << as a forinstance : http://logs.minigame.bz/2016-08-07.log.html#t03:03:56 iirc he evaluated it at 5 to 10 btc due to market values of items, is a post somewhere on his blog ; historically the largest pop was something like 180mn ecu, ie 1.8 btc and it didn't take 1/10 that.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 14:03 asciilifeform: or how many centuries that would take ?
lobbesbot: Logged on 2016-08-07 03:03:56: <mircea_popescu> (22:35:16) >Daniel has got 0.81 BTC worth of Boulder and assorted loot while building. Congratulations!
mircea_popescu: so yes, plenty of people made plenty of coins.
mircea_popescu: if you look in the reports, for instance, http://trilema.com/2017/minigame-smg-july-august-2017-statement/#footnote_1_74351 that's 1.2576509 players gained that month.
mircea_popescu: well, interval.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735853 << eulora is a very different kind of game ; not wow at all. it's not cocaine for the clickchicken, keep it glued to the screen clucking away ; it's amphetamine for the thinker, "shit how to make a bot that properly does this".
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 14:12 asciilifeform: when i sit to play a game, it feels like dereliction of duty, with, e.g., ffa yet undone, dulap not yet replaces, scintollator rng not complete, 9000 other processes
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735855 << yes, buit this is the core of the misunderstanding. "i can't even masturbate anymore, much less have a relationship". relationships aren't a sort of masturbation and eulora isn't a sort of tetris.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 14:12 asciilifeform: i can't even tetris no moar, diana_coman
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 14:18 asciilifeform: in unrelated lulz, bch shitcoin pumped back by someone, to august price
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 14:26 asciilifeform: they're, well, public. ergo could easily be , say, nextprime(commentstring)
asciilifeform: ah lol looks like diana_coman found the wtf
asciilifeform: ( was outside of the pasted material )
mircea_popescu: aha, smaller exponent. as per usual!!1
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735902 << phunphakt: the 'satanic abuse' folx are still sitting in jail.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 15:09 mircea_popescu: (yes, "a plea bargain" has nothing to do with justice or anything else. it is simply a contract with a theatrical company, you agree to play a role on the lowest rung. it's exactly like 1950s hollywood system signing up to be an extra. you will be... an extra... in someone else's movie... about shit that interests them.)
mircea_popescu: im sure.
asciilifeform: ( nfi if specifically because plead, or not , tho )
mircea_popescu: convincing actor gets used ; whether convincing or not partly in public's hands.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's actually IN the pasted material; that nbits/2 , lol
asciilifeform: well nao , after tea, and when rubbed in my face -- i see, lel
mod6: mornin
mircea_popescu: low reading comprehensions!!
asciilifeform: heya mod6
diana_coman: morning mod6
mod6: :]
mod6: how goes!
mircea_popescu: in otehr breakfast cereals, girl picked up an... redskin chick yest.
mircea_popescu: i had thought it's a movie prop, but apparently no, can has irl.
asciilifeform: i also thought it was from red paste or the like
asciilifeform: or at the very least sunburns.
mircea_popescu: pretty hawt, tbh.\
mircea_popescu: just when i was starting to think, you know, i have a serious sex-race issue "white or mulatto but nothing else" it turns out that there exists palatable nonwhiteness.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735920 << may or may not want to bother, but it does give a method of protocolically tying the comment (postage whatever) string to the pubkey , without pretense of 'self-signatures' or anything of the kind
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 15:21 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735872 << could but why bother.
asciilifeform: and (m,comment) is shorter, in principle, than (m,e,comment) .
asciilifeform: but this is imho muchly a matter of taste.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in my spec the comment in e, N, comment is arbitrary ~to storer~, not to originator.
mircea_popescu: perfectrly fine for my key via deedbot and via say your putative deedbot` to come with different comments.
mircea_popescu: moreover, intended functioning.
asciilifeform: well anyone can attach labels to outside of the bottle in his own shelf, regardless of what gets put in the spec
mircea_popescu: this is how one guards against idiocies such as "put my picture in comment field".
mircea_popescu: go, put, put, see who keeps.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform absolutely.
asciilifeform: so imho if comment is not part of the moving parts ( as in say the proposed exponent scheme above ) then there's no particular reason to mention it in the spec
mircea_popescu: in any case : now that we understand the bitcoi nnoide problem, we can't be excused from implementing it like satoshi did. so : no arbitrary comment field of unspecified size "everyone has to keep" arbitrary to originator.
asciilifeform: 'infinite' sizes are a lol
mircea_popescu: it is part of the moving parts, "there is a hole here". what one fills it with is his problem, but the hole is.
asciilifeform: notion was, why not make e := nextprime(contents of hole) . naturally hole would be (4096 bits) or (up to 4096 bits), take yer pick
mircea_popescu: possibly too narrow.
asciilifeform: it's a public exponent. but it does break my http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-07#1733387 .
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 16:38 asciilifeform: in particular, gotta show that no two inputs will produce the same prime
a111: Logged on 2017-11-07 16:39 asciilifeform: also gotta show that no prime exists , in the given bitness width, that CANNOT be chosen.
asciilifeform: ( at least if using nextprime(keccak(comment)) )
mircea_popescu: heck, hash it first
asciilifeform: well specifically then
asciilifeform: if ~not~ hashing, then it theoretically meets the condition ( for so long as the comment is permitted to be binary garbage if it wants )
mircea_popescu: but it isn't.
mircea_popescu: ascii or go home.
asciilifeform: actually , the way i'd implement the thing , is to not change the format in any way, other than a condition that 1) e can be any 4096b string 2) but if it fails m-r, nextprime(e) is used as e
asciilifeform: this would let whoever wants put 'hello world' etc as the e. and if do not want, to do exactly same thing we already discussed.
mircea_popescu: really makes no diff.
asciilifeform: not mega-difference, no.
asciilifeform: ( if your e is already prime, nothing interesting happens. but if someone insists of making a text 'part of the key', he can stuff it into the e )
mircea_popescu: not really becauyse a) user doesn't care and b) user with e can't get message back anyway
asciilifeform: anyway i agree with mircea_popescu , there is no reason to have any of this in the moving gears. who wants a 'text commented e', can take his text, find nextprime(text) himself in such a way that it still human-reads, and use that.
asciilifeform: sorta like the vanity btc addrs thing.
mircea_popescu: !!up can aww no candi ?
deedbot: can voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: iirc there was an isprime implemented, now i'm curious re 13371337 and similarily appended-1337-strings whether prime or not
mircea_popescu: "which is the count of repetitions before string x becomes prime number"
mircea_popescu: ^ incidentally not idle number theory question
asciilifeform: ^ prolly has noanswer
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform think :D
mircea_popescu: 4545 = 45 * 101
asciilifeform: aa lol this is the mirrorolade thing again
mircea_popescu: bwahjahaha
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735914 << yea , hence asciilifeform's 'core wars' comment
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 15:19 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735853 << eulora is a very different kind of game ; not wow at all. it's not cocaine for the clickchicken, keep it glued to the screen clucking away ; it's amphetamine for the thinker, "shit how to make a bot that properly does this".
mircea_popescu: there's a lot to be yet said on the mystical value of rsa. take a "prime" - purely mystical concept, it literally means "was not seen before, virginal." "repetitions can not FOR THAT REASON ever be prime" and so on.
asciilifeform: ( fwiw asciilifeform never played 'normal' mmporgs , but has a vague notion that even there, people eventually made bots )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform definitely. tho i did enjoy say rift.
mircea_popescu: for the purely visual, "let's play movie" non-game content-consuming thing.
mircea_popescu: (play is VERY different from content consumption, the latter is a bovine activity well suited to philosophers and girls of room temp iq while the former is the principal activity of the kitten.)
asciilifeform: that part imho is pretty obvious
mircea_popescu: the part that's incomprehensible is why the fuck the content-consumption mmorpg isn't all about tits
mircea_popescu: oh... wait!
mircea_popescu: well, good thing the "feminist" retards that don't understand anything ABOUT ANYTHING! (paging here Framedragger ) "fixed" the problem of girl armor in cc-mmorpgs!
asciilifeform: wat's 'girl armor'
mircea_popescu: as far as i'm concerned, engaging in a "fixing" of the nature of "cut branch underfoot" is a very strong signal of idiocy.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that mysticalname whatsherface chick from tor that trinque has a hard-on on at some point wrote a "scholarly" (in the wikitardia sense of the term) article about how girl armor displayed in mmorpgs and bad hbo franchises "wouldn't work".
asciilifeform: iirc it was Framedragger with the hard
mircea_popescu: the low level problem of just how idiotically superficial her arguments were paling in comparison to the incomprehensible levels of confusion involved in "i'll fix amphora, problem with it is that it has a hole" and other fundamental miscomprehensions of function.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i am an old man and my memory is self-serving.
asciilifeform: reminds me, asciilifeform dreamed at night that he had a time travel widget, but used it strictly to go back in time to now-defunct labs he worked in, to borrow tools. but one time forgot to return ! and was trapped, forever, in a loop, consisting of lunch break among technodetritus.
asciilifeform: * forgot to return a tool
mircea_popescu: this is pretty good punishment
mircea_popescu: if you ever take up bitcoin, you'll find to your surprise it's not that different!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 19:32 ang-st: well i have some not to be release numbers that would prove you wrong :)
asciilifeform: i suppose being condemned to wish forever it were 2010, is nearly as good a hell as to be stuck in actual 2010
mircea_popescu: worse. it's always better to be raped than trapped, the former washes off.
mircea_popescu: ("washing off" here has a very strict art meaning -- "i'm the object, not the subject" is the strongest psychological defense yet devised by the human brain.)
mircea_popescu: which is why being hated and the force of gravity don't elicit the same emotional response in humans.
asciilifeform: dunno, people - esp. the very dim -- have quite strong ability to 'animate the inanimate' and e.g. declare 'war on $substance' etc
mircea_popescu: sure, goes both ways.
asciilifeform: tangentially, asciilifeform has this strong recollection of reading a version where xerx whipped the sea ~as a psyop~, and meanwhile had men crossing elsewhere. but i can't seem to find this in herodotus. so where was it ?
mircea_popescu: i dun recall reading it ; sounds sven husserlish
asciilifeform: i dun think i dreamed it. it was somewhere.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735903 << ftr asciilifeform has never yet sold ( in the trade-for-fiatolade sense ) any qty of bitcoin .
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 15:11 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735837 << boys go to war or go away ; also, nobody asks you to sell your bitcoin. sell the worthless things, such as tits, not the valuable things.
mircea_popescu: so good for you.
asciilifeform: very much case of 'write only memory'
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 15:06 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735820 << because everyone's preoccupation in fiatlands is how to force people to "upgrade". cars, serial chips, whatever.
asciilifeform: 'The PL-2303X has the same vendor ID and product ID as the older PL-2303, which means that it will be incorrectly detected as a PL-2303 by the driver currently in the Linux kernel. Attempting to use a PL-2303X as a PL-2303 simply results in an inability to transfer data through the serial port. In other words, nothing happens.'
asciilifeform: what isn't clear to me tho is why the perpetrator found it necessary to commit this atrocity
mircea_popescu: "necessary".
asciilifeform: the '64bitness' is red herring, my 16550 uarts worked ok under msdos 5 and work just same today
mircea_popescu: understand something : the petty criminal holding you up didn't "find it necessary". petty crime comes with built-in, very lowly set high-pass filter. you have to be THIS fucking dumb to think petty crime is a productive use of your time, and consequently the bar for "necessity" isn't anywhere close to mathematical rigour.
asciilifeform: sure, but at least it is clear how beating folx on the street with a club and taking their wallets might be enjoyable
asciilifeform: well wallets sometimes contain dough
mircea_popescu: for any reason besides you never having done it ?
asciilifeform: i will admit to not having tried it.
mircea_popescu: spolier : /me spent youth doing ~equivalent, it's incredibly fucking tedious. not specifically "wallets", but, load up car with weaponry and decisive men, visit rural "disco club", scandalously hit on "their" gals.
asciilifeform: but it isn't a wholly martian thing, where 'why would anyone' question arises
mircea_popescu: ~same thing, more tnt concentration.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kinda is, actually. hard fucking work, beating people up, dood.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-17 19:21 asciilifeform: russian blogger, circa '04: 'have you ever beaten a man? had you done so, you would know that it is hard work. no less arduous than turning a meat-grinder. how often do you wake up to the urge to crank a meat-grinder? every day?'
mircea_popescu: youth somewhat compensates, but if you're still doing it past your 20s there's mental retardation involved.
mircea_popescu: just like if you're still wetting the bed by blair's years.
asciilifeform: well to be fair pl2303x is prolly a work of d00dz in 20s
mircea_popescu: so this is the whole point here, asciilifeform : the "obvious why it's enjoyable" is this retroconstructive subjective conceit. no, it's not fucking obvious. at all. why would you think it is.
asciilifeform: ( and i must sadly note, they will ~continue~ to ship with FG units, unless someone wants to suggest a different chip )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but who was managing them ?
mircea_popescu: if neighbour's excavator grinds my azaleas, ima not gonna scream at the ~operator~
asciilifeform: then indeed i have nfi
mircea_popescu: if the dumb shoe fits...
asciilifeform: it would even make sense if order was 'make'em all install this here new winblowz turd'. but iirc 2303x did not even ~offer~ a winturd.
asciilifeform: ( hence the warning in the fg docs )
asciilifeform: oh hah there's at least 1 actual building in cr !
asciilifeform: ( re mircea_popescu's latest article )
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, isn't that one of the better headers ?
asciilifeform: it is, with the baobab or whatever that thing is in the americas
mircea_popescu: yeah. /me and the tree of wisdom.
mircea_popescu: in teh middle of a volcano, ruining everyone's shit an' having tea.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/jsm-bomba-de-costa-rica/ << Trilema - JSM, Bomba de Costa Rica
asciilifeform: 'We just forked the website ! We didn't mean to fork Bitcoin, thats a lot of work ;)'
asciilifeform: i can picture the wagner, the cyanide, of the handful of gullible folx. might explain the 'back to 300' last night.
mircea_popescu: the what ?
asciilifeform: pictured item appears to be 'phorq uncancelled!' then few hrs later 'haha, idjits'
mircea_popescu: but what is "back to 300" ?>
asciilifeform: on the shitcoin markets, a 'fork token' or what was it, denominated in heathenbux, fell from 1000s to 100, but then repumped
asciilifeform: ( link in the l0gz somewhere )
mircea_popescu: in other minutia, i'm holding up this well worn pair of cuffs, with red candlewax stains, and i'm thinking.... didn't i buy some pink candles too ?
a111: Logged on 2017-01-03 18:09 asciilifeform: 'Вот царевна под замком / стонет сизым голубком, / слезы тяжкие роняет, / за свечой свечу вставляет... / Извела уж сто свечей, / а ничуть не легче ей.'
asciilifeform: '...storage capacitor holds 0.2 watt-seconds of energy... about 90%, 720,000 peak watts, delivered to the antenna... might be heard world-wide, but I don't know that for a fact... while total power in the pulses might be impressive, it's an extremely wideband signal - much less power is present on any particular, say 5 kHz, channel. In other words, the sparker is sending a very crude form of spread spectrum'
asciilifeform: 'The signal has a very subtle sound and, if not for the 3-click/delay format, would be indistinguishable from nature's own spark transmitter, distant lighting.'
asciilifeform: incidentally re : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-10#1735809 << e.g. pyongyang, or teheran, or any other 'fortress' could easily make btc by transmitting arbitrary bits on shortwave, for coin
a111: Logged on 2017-11-10 08:37 mircea_popescu: that the fucktards stubbornly refuse to do it speaks to the fucktards' utterly incredible fucktardation, not to how hard it is to get.
asciilifeform: i'd be quite surprised if this happened and then the transmitter wasn't booked 24/7.
asciilifeform: e.g. 'send coin to addr A, then wotpaste payload signed with originator addr, and yer 64kB chunk is on the air within 24hrs or we send coin back. signed, yours, kim chen ir'
mircea_popescu: possibly.
asciilifeform: betcha auctioning the bandwidth (supposing you're already in the 'fortressing' business and have the tower) is moar +ev, joule-per-joule , than mining.
asciilifeform: ( and possibly even moar +ev for opponent, to ~outbid~ than to jam, per-joule )
asciilifeform: now, a twist : you don't necessarily need a pyongyang. can instead use network of decisive men with smaller repeaters...
asciilifeform: ( but possibly this devolves into the scheme described by mircea_popescu much earlier . )
asciilifeform: principal headaches, afaik are 1) how to get payload from the buyer to the seller to begin with 2) how to settle dispute re performance ( e.g. 'you said you tx'd, but over on mauritus nobody got the signal' etc )
asciilifeform: (2) is prolly solvable simply by being very, very loud. but (1) i have nfi, my puny brain is not up to producing an obvious pill.
asciilifeform: ( i suppose one approach to (1) is 'buyer must be in the l1 of a repeater operator'. and possibly it is the only possible approach. but it does turn the thing from 'build it and they will come' into something like 'must push the dope' , and prolly makes whole thing unviable )
asciilifeform: the real boojum, i suspect, is that there is ~0 demand for anything of this kind, while the net still works ( propped up as it may be by fiatolism )
asciilifeform: but when it begins to fall apart -- will be 'too late to invent parachute'.
asciilifeform: ( i could be wrong -- there could be demand. would mircea_popescu personally pay to transmit something ? how much would pay ? but who else would..? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform necesarily it devolves.
asciilifeform can see it.
asciilifeform: it remains imho a puzzle, how anyone would bootstrap such a thing ( nobody would pay for 'best effort' crapola, http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-09#1735455 )
a111: Logged on 2017-11-09 19:17 mircea_popescu: also support is not sought, i don't think, if by support you mean manpower as opposed to you know, cooling. (if the latter, there's really 0 interest in a "best effort dc / someone's house".)
asciilifeform: possibly 'hey they've transmitted blocks on time, unkillably, for years, and now they're auctioning slots!' might do it.
asciilifeform: ( now that i think about it, this particular piece of relay-crackpottery might actually work very well with asciilifeform's earlier 'casks' thing , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619996 & elsewhere )
a111: Logged on 2017-02-28 13:38 asciilifeform: to wind it up, the casks algo is asciilifeform's attempt at the 'high vacuum pump' from earlier -- to get the max possible removal of something-to-allcomers element , to the extent possible without running an entirely closed wotronic system (and consequently turning into visa or swift)
mircea_popescu: for someone who can't even tetris, what's with all the wank anyway ?
asciilifeform: it's an algo, wat.
asciilifeform: will quietly live in the l0gz until possibly useful.
asciilifeform: ( or at any rate refuted, and can then link to refutation when asciilifeform is long dead and some other d00d asks 'hey wai not shortwave relays' etc )
asciilifeform: and i'll disagree that a q re how specifically one might go about taking back telecom sovereignty from the fiatists, is necessarily a wank.
asciilifeform bbl,meat
mircea_popescu: eh you know what i mean.
asciilifeform: yea , moar dead nazis, less kB wasted, i get.
asciilifeform bbl ferrealz
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/romanzo-popolare/ << Trilema - Romanzo popolare
BingoBoingo: !~later tell phf tyvm, moving blockindex.dat over the local network fixed the issue. More nand for the burn pile.
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: woah shitcoin @ 0.15
asciilifeform: ( that, or epic goxolade concert )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform, It's a concert. Just enjoy the music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tmd-ClpJxA
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/iFP57 << in other soon-to-be-defuncts.
shinohai: https://blockchain.info/address/13Do2uy94HMBy1SuAYP7rbGA9s3ZbnJG7f <<< this is clean trb addy, bitpay says "invalid address"
asciilifeform: shinohai: when fed it how ?
asciilifeform: ( i thought bitpay took btc ~in~ only , disgorged fiatola )
shinohai: i dunno, xhamster does it
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cool.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in 'can haz', https://www.nature.com.sci-hub.cc/articles/nature21698?WT.feed_name=subjects_electronic-devices# ( warning : pdf ) -- 'High-resolution non-destructive three dimensional imaging of integrated circuits' (march 2017) , with some quite impressive pics.
asciilifeform: they built a sort of xray crystallography rig, for ~intact~ ic.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's amazing how you old point "everything costs the same everywhere" is holding true.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6761.35, vol: 26361.10812249 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6747.9, vol: 87554.56617705 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6745.0, vol: 8805.98682449 | Volume-weighted last average: 6750.58102256
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 493963 | Current Difficulty: 1.364422081125E12 | Next Difficulty At Block: 495935 | Next Difficulty In: 1972 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 2 days, 8 hours, 3 minutes, and 20 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
shinohai: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: shinohai: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 6776.87, vol: 26513.03070230 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 6761.6, vol: 88332.07279477 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 6767.9, vol: 8943.01026706 | Volume-weighted last average: 6765.32568035
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cheap transportation makes french "terroir" (as distinct from arab terreur) a meaningless concept.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just what the bolix wanted huh
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It really does. Everything I keep reading published on connection prices says "OMG region X is expensive"
BingoBoingo queries in region X, finds... Price is price is price
mircea_popescu: the web doesn't keep up with pricing issues in this sense.
mircea_popescu: ie there WAS a hdd price issue after asian floods, but if you searched... much like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-06#1733268
a111: Logged on 2017-11-06 20:01 hanbot: <asciilifeform> in other lulz, https://archive.is/UVcTG >> 'reports of death of yet another Saudi prince' << meanwhile i was reading this morning "riadyh ritz-carlton now detention center for saudi royals", (http://archive.is/p7KPc), but tuned out when "evidence" seemed to consist of "booking websites" not having rooms available.
mircea_popescu: there's conservation rules afoot in teh universe, and the web isn't going to produce an increase of information ; it provides a fraction of what you put in back and no more.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, turns out source Homo Reddictius was citing consisted of a likely disinfo piece by Cloudflare
BingoBoingo: Well, except for places where X is expensive because not built (i.e. those tiger economies)
mircea_popescu: expensive where not built, expensive because temporary disruption (flood, bait-and-switch in switch cycle by socialist "corporation", etc)
mircea_popescu: (fwiw marriott still reports their ryadh carlton not available for check-in. sounds moar like nationalization than anything)
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