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asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-03#1710467 << point, for instance despite various noises kako never made 'own fg' from recipe
a111: Logged on 2017-09-03 03:18 mircea_popescu: just the clue cptn breezy needs is actually north of a million bucks ; as proven by the fact that all the cptn breezys who won the loterry still couldn't afford to buy it.
mircea_popescu: noises are nice and good, e3sp because cheap.
asciilifeform: ( i actually egged him on in beginning, because hey, a replication is a replication, the more hostile audience the better )
mircea_popescu: not how irl works.
asciilifeform: apparently
mircea_popescu: and if there's no adult males involved in the active humiliation of females and their spawn, the realisation never occurs, "hey, ten tons of feelers and empty verbiage from me ain't work a buck, and ten minutes of that guy's applied time can buy the whole caravan of us cocksuckers".
asciilifeform: btw to where is cpt breezy reference ?
mircea_popescu: to the let me fish it out.\
mircea_popescu: recall, there was a previous #humanfund thingee we visited, and there was an expert there was gonna advise me advices and things.
mircea_popescu: and besides there's already a rng.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-24 21:58 phf: asciilifeform: your thing is existentially terrifying, it demands a lot from the "user" (not sure it even accepts the notion of user) when they look at it, they see a glimpse of own mortality
mircea_popescu: i can't remember what the "just as good" piece of cardboard footwear they were brandying about, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: costs well north of a million dollars to even find someone who can be arsed to explain to you the difference.
asciilifeform: treating cost as scalar is bound to lead to lulz
asciilifeform: say yer house came with a few tonnes of firewood. then phriend asks, how much worth of wood you burned that winter.
mircea_popescu: talking about what shit costs when you've never made any shit is bound to lead to lulz as well.
asciilifeform: noshit.jog
mircea_popescu: (kinda how socialist "economics" ends up fucked in the ass.)
mircea_popescu: and bad blood on all sides, "oh the capitalists are corrupt and stealing from the people" "omfg these fucktards just destroyed the industry".
mircea_popescu: the mother as daughter's fashion accessory. gotta accessorize! and match those brown tones!
asciilifeform: lolwaat
mircea_popescu: kardashian is just hairy, she's not black.
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 15:16 asciilifeform: when done to usg -- 'atrocity'
mircea_popescu: (ed buck, pantsuit supporter, killed random black twink)
hanbot: say, do we have an irc bot (republican made/signed sorta thing)? ben_vulpes ? phf ? lobbes ?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-27#1648773 << it was ##crypto , Captain_Beezay, and the item in question was "onerng".
a111: Logged on 2017-04-27 19:09 Framedragger: btw there are like 770 people sitting and talking on ##crypto, it might not even be 100% hopeless, curious if they would respond well to FUCKGOATS advertising
mircea_popescu: hanbot iirc ben_vulpes published a whole thing. or was it trinque
hanbot: ah yeah i see trinque has a logbot genesis (http://trinque.org/2016/08/11/logbot-genesis/), i'll check it out. ty
hanbot: Install `ircbot`. << basically am curious if there's anything that eschews this
mircea_popescu: hanbot it's his own sbcl lisp bot
hanbot: oh fuck me. kk i'll check it out better. :)
a111: Logged on 2017-09-03 04:05 asciilifeform: btw to where is cpt breezy reference ?
mircea_popescu is curious how this goes.
hanbot: yeah this is exactly what i wanted, awesome.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 4566.43, vol: 12479.54716916 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 4507.8, vol: 41008.85752752 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 4618.3, vol: 5837.88967042 | Volume-weighted last average: 4531.00661814
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2BE34EE92A7ACD83043E8D31B2671DA99D9CFC6B94C6DE55D49E6723F827614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1372...2199 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.64.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.64.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92.243.64.54.addr.datapoint.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2BE34EE92A7ACD83043E8D31B2671DA99D9CFC6B94C6DE55D49E6723F827614 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1632...7827 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '92.243.64.54 (ssh-rsa key from 92.243.64.54 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (92.243.64.54.addr.datapoint.ru. RU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2AD46A5F3655ACBC7663DDF0DDB42EE61827736164708E23FCD1B6D7D30192D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1429...5833 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.87.123.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.87.123.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.peredovaldivia.com. BO L)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/E2AD46A5F3655ACBC7663DDF0DDB42EE61827736164708E23FCD1B6D7D30192D << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1607...0843 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '200.87.123.6 (ssh-rsa key from 200.87.123.6 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (mail.peredovaldivia.com. BO L)
shinohai: Heh Bolivian IP webcams
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BC57309E50CEC81F8BB77CA608036612485D5676133DE4E0F153DCD05A066BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1474...8913 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.242.199.104 (ssh-rsa key from 95.242.199.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host104-199-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT 57 PU)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7BC57309E50CEC81F8BB77CA608036612485D5676133DE4E0F153DCD05A066BA << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...5037 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.242.199.104 (ssh-rsa key from 95.242.199.104 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host104-199-static.242-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT 57 PU)
mod6: hola
mod6: :]
mod6: how goes today?
mircea_popescu: not so bad!
mircea_popescu: gonna go watch birds with morning coffee, bbs
mod6: nice. ok.
mircea_popescu: !up r0nin-
mod6: !!up r0nin-
deedbot: r0nin- voiced for 30 minutes.
r0nin-: hello philo-semites
mircea_popescu: r0nin- nobody gives a shit about you. save your histrionics for your mom, if she's interested.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/kim-kardashian-cameleo/ << Trilema - Kim Kardashian Cameleo
spyked: stumbled upon http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-02#1692820 <-- *theoretically* (where theoretically = I'm mostly pulling this out of spyked arse, so hold on to eggs) possible. problems as far as I can see are 1. no. of transistors, 2. arch/microarch design, e.g. how to use general-purpose registers (assuming there are gp registers there); and I assume there might be bigger problems, some of which mentioned by asciilifeform. static checking
a111: Logged on 2017-08-02 20:28 mircea_popescu: to revisit a very ancient mp wonderment since his less-interested days ( http://trilema.com/2010/curiozitate-calculatoristica/ ) : why not ada-on-a-chip ?
spyked: IMHO could be separated from "compilation" (could as well be part of ada assembler, or "program loader" if there's such a thing).
spyked: also, there's the memory model. lisp machine "cells" are very elegant, while algol-like languages seem pretty muddy on that part. ftr, I have never seriously programmed in ada (closest thing to it was pascal)
spyked: the question is rather which subset is suitable for building in hardware, and I guess this reduces to bounds checking and maybe other critical run-time parts (does ada have gc?)
spyked: hm. actually, ada is used in real-time, so no gc
danielpbarron: http://archive.is/2rCMF << Burning Man lives up to its name. P.S. He died.
mircea_popescu: spyked yeah, mostly resolved towards lisp-on-a-chip
danielpbarron: i chose to post the archived link because the original gives 403 forbidden error in lynx
spyked: mircea_popescu, o, I see. also, for some reason the scenario in original trilema post sounds much more plausible today. if "gpu" monster, then why not dbpu.
mircea_popescu: i'm a visionary what can i tell ye.
asciilifeform: spyked: read about ' content-addressable memory '
asciilifeform: that was the meat of 'db chip' concept. idea is, flipping through N memory locs one by one, to search, is retarded
asciilifeform: you have wires to all of them regardless, why not as all-of-them 'where is S'
asciilifeform: *ask all
spyked: ah, like the ones they use in switches! yeah makes sense
mimisbrunnr: Logged on 2017-09-03 22:12 trinque: !!balance
trinque: ^ cross channel quoting, nice!
mircea_popescu: dun dun dun
trinque: all that's left for a usable first cut is a payment to a particular invoice, and a command to list one's inbound and outbound invoices
mircea_popescu: trinque deposit doesn't need verification does it ?
mircea_popescu: and !!pay should respond "Done." if success.
trinque: did, I had a bug and fixed
mircea_popescu: ah it does. kk.
trinque: then re-ran
trinque: the thought re OTP is if I don't force people to verify one, I'm letting allcomers generate "chosen-plaintext" for a particular key
mircea_popescu: all voiced.
trinque: if that doesn't bother anyone, can remove the step, yep.
mircea_popescu: and you don't really have to generate ANOTHER one.
mircea_popescu: see, way it works is, acct requests a deposit address. you look if you have one, if you don't you create and communicate. if it gets paid you sweep it, and remove it off "there's one". if it isn't paid you just reuse it next time
mircea_popescu: this make sense or should i write example ?
trinque: all same address for deposits.
trinque: they're distinguished by amount
mircea_popescu: ah ah. right, then nm.
trinque: in fact my fee for the bot operation comes at time of deposit. say you want to deposit 5btc. it may ask you to deposit 5.00004821.
mircea_popescu: ah and you keep the 4821 ?
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: yeah, reasonable.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: But was it a Disco inferno?
trinque: only point I'm looking for an operator fee, can then do as many ops as one likes.
mircea_popescu: and speaking of "reality winner", why not go all out with it ? Other Leigh Person.
mircea_popescu: "and who did you see at the crime scene ?" "Other Person" "Ah, so not this one ? Thank you. Your honor, no further questions."
BingoBoingo: Self indicting court reporters!
shinohai: Looks good fer buttcoin.
mircea_popescu: ehehe word.
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-08-29#1705864 << for starting fires, collect the lint from your dryer, mix in a plastic zip-lock bag with equal volume of shortening
a111: Logged on 2017-08-29 22:50 BingoBoingo: Ah fine, I'll start keeping the sawdust/bar oil slurry
asciilifeform: ew synthetics nasty
asciilifeform: PeterL would eat foodstuffs cooked over this?!
PeterL: it is just to get the fire going, you only need a pinch
PeterL: and what synthetics, it is mostly cotton fibres
asciilifeform: depends whose lint trap neh
PeterL: right, does depend
PeterL: my brother-in-law said he tried it, the fires smelled horribly of dogs (he has 3 dogs)
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-09-02#1709989 << I was reading through the keccac documents, got about 90% of it implemented in python, then said this is ugly and horribly inefficient, I should try ada, and have been leaning ada the past couple weeks
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 16:44 mircea_popescu: one major point is that other than mpfhf which has been well implemented thanks to peterl, sina and ben_vulpes (and to some degree researched -- speaking of which, still cooking ben_vulpes ?), there's keccak which HASNT yet been implemented much ; and we really could use a fixed-block hash function that's any good.
asciilifeform: PeterL: use the subset of ada shown in ffa. i.e. no oop, no finalizations, no tasks, no array concatenation, no heap allocation.
asciilifeform: none of that shit belongs in implementation of a fundamental algo .
asciilifeform: ( bonus for when PeterL realizes that mp's hash cannot actually be implemented in sane constraints... )
PeterL: I was looking through this https://github.com/damaki/libkeccak
asciilifeform: holy FUCK is that thing massive nao
asciilifeform: several 100 files, and why.
asciilifeform: i guess THIS is what they put on shithub to 'replace' the original that was deleted
PeterL: right, I think if we implement it it would be quite smaller
PeterL: speaking of github, a while ago I was reading through some random code there, and they had a variable which was about 75 characters in length. I understand trying to make your variable names meaningful, but that is just absurd!
mircea_popescu: maybe it had to include all its tulpas.
PeterL: in implementing keccac, do we really need to have special case functions for 256 bit and 512 bit outputs? couldn't we just define it as the variable length output function and then if somebody wants 256 bit output they just choose that as the length?
asciilifeform: ideally
asciilifeform: maginumberz are evil.
asciilifeform: fuck magic 512, or whichever, no reason for any such thing to be carried forward.
mircea_popescu: general purpose function.
PeterL: anyway, I am off to bed now
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> maginumberz are evil. << They also have boring tulpas
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