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BingoBoingo: Fuck 463303 was morbidly obese block
Framedragger: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20170501/#20 << ah, yes! that is definitely in the plan. in june or july, conservatively say july!
scriba: Logged on 2017-05-01: [02:11:19] <mircea_popescu> Framedragger btw you gonna re-do the scan for 2017 ?
Framedragger: (cv mentions gaming. not making this up)
mircea_popescu: nice mod6 :D
mircea_popescu: nitpick : move 2016 to 2017 on trb.org main page
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650363 << dude. put the double carry mult-with-overflow-detection on your blog. with a proper and complete discussion. with log references. THEN, ~link it~ from your ~actual software~ via the comments.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 03:52 asciilifeform: in other noose, http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/m3LQl/?raw=true << egyptian mul. with slightly better comments
mircea_popescu: that way you'll end up with your blog linked by random idiots with delusions of grandeur in the future, exactly like it happened in the past.
mircea_popescu: guy bemoans lack of lisp style tagged data in today's world of shit ; refuses WITH THE CUTTING OF THE HEAD to structure and tag anything no matter what. wtf is wrong with you.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger worx. not like the other batch is fully digested yet anyway.
mircea_popescu: and point the woman towards #eulora, what.
mircea_popescu: shinohai your joo's ded ?
mircea_popescu: and in other news : do you enjoy traveling ? is your idea of traveling to walk for hours among the strange bazaars of distant lands ? does the cushion for the pushin' whine that her feet hurt and that she's thirsty and hurr durr ? there are solutions! https://68.media.tumblr.com/469792dfd1e169230c2349eb69afd23c/tumblr_ocm867cZ1O1ukrdklo1_500.gif
mircea_popescu: and i mean "solutions" literally.
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/qntra-sqntr-april-2017-statement/ << Trilema - Qntra (S.QNTR) April 2017 Statement
mircea_popescu: shares added also.
shinohai: joo (and meself) back online .... sry for inconvenience
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 1386.56, vol: 6151.02469569 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 1328.799, vol: 5018.8888 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 1497.0, vol: 16433.45406724 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 1181.270708, vol: 7505.75570000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 1390.526, vol: 3756.17617334 | Volume-weighted last average: 1386.53582297
shinohai: Things to electrify your Monday morning: http://btcinfo.sdf.org/uploads/grid1.jpg
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency rmb
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 8089.99, vol: 7880.37150000 | Volume-weighted last average: 8089.99
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/05/fiatbitcoin-interfaces-testing-us-dollar-at-11400th-bitcoin-price-level/ << Qntra - fiat/Bitcoin Interfaces Testing US dollar At 1/1400th Bitcoin Price Level
ben_vulpes: spacex reentry photography kindles me cockles
ben_vulpes: tight crop on the engines in flight, apparently from other flying craft
ben_vulpes: shinohai: that's...the tortilla?
shinohai: Seems his "Crypto Kingdom" game has gotten him heavily into debt: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1890786.0
mircea_popescu: "It is unfortunate that what was once a promising game with many contributors in the community has turned into a scam, but such as it is."
mircea_popescu: these FUCKTARDED IMBECILES.
shinohai: No one could have predicted, ammirite?
mircea_popescu: "oh, there's a game that actually works, run by the only guy who actually has money or understands business in this cloud of idiots. tell you what -- we'll pretend to be offended at "fuckgoats" and stick with some utter derpitude run by a mentally ill runt. then a year or two years or whatever later we'll go ... "unfortunately" and act like no one could have fucking predicted".
mircea_popescu: and then when i want them boiled in oil i'm supposed to give explanations or something ? hurr.
mircea_popescu: shinohai ^ post that in there, at least when i get to boil them in oil right and proper they get to hurr durr at the fact that they ~actually had the text before their eyes~
mircea_popescu: exactly like the braindead strippers who wouldn't pick up a bitcoin for free because hey, "professional" and whatnot.
shinohai goes to the swamp to revel in lulz
shinohai: Should I invite him here to bare tits for 2 bittys?
mircea_popescu: this nonsensical pretense that there's somehow "choice" and "people have it" gotta be the #1 driver of the socialist empire of idiots.
mircea_popescu: what fucking choice! THIS is the choice. what choice was it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aite, 1s
jurov: The short version is that every Intel platform with AMT, ISM, and SBT from Nehalem in 2008 to Kaby Lake in 2017 has a remotely exploitable security hole in the ME (Management Engine) not CPU firmware.
mircea_popescu: and the idiots "begged intel to fix it for years" and never said a peep.
mircea_popescu: fucking idiots.
mircea_popescu: "First a little bit of background. SemiAccurate has known about this vulnerability for literally years now, it came up in research we were doing on hardware backdoors over five years ago. What we found was scary on a level that literally kept us up at night. For obvious reasons we couldn’t publish what we found out but we took every opportunity to beg anyone who could even tangentially influence the right people to do somet
mircea_popescu: hing about this security problem."
mircea_popescu: what fucking "obvious" reasons, good soviet ?
asciilifeform: lul, magicpacket!
asciilifeform: 'Intel has plans on when to issue “reactive” NDAs to customers several weeks before the “proactive” and “public” disclosures. ' << gold
mircea_popescu: fuck this entire shitshow of clowns and faces eaters.
asciilifeform: 'If your system is 10 years old or newer it is likely exploitable' << 2009opteron4evah!111
mircea_popescu: !!rate charlie demerjian -10 hostis humani generis.
asciilifeform: ' Richard Stallman was right about firmware, and there are alternatives now too.' << 'alternatives' link goes to, guess what, vapour
asciilifeform read linked piece 3x, did not find disclosure of the 0day
asciilifeform: 'You have them on your machine. You really need to turn them off' << except they dun come with an off switch.
Framedragger: olook the backdoor is an actual backdoor! good call on opteron asciilifeform :)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it was a backdoor when AMT first announced !
asciilifeform: how many thick heads is this still failing to get through.
asciilifeform: HAVING THE FUCKING FRITZ CHIP is the backdoor. not somebody-not-nsa-learning-the-key.
asciilifeform: for fuck's sake.
asciilifeform: number of nsaware-free workstations or servers in production today : still 0.
Framedragger: the "but we begged" is quite rich, omg
Framedragger: in which mp gets pissed again!1
mircea_popescu: can you blame me ?
Framedragger: nopenope.
asciilifeform: 'republican isp' on magicpacketable-nsaware iron...
mircea_popescu: "oh, i'm too fucking good to send some opterons to be racked and btw we begged for less cock. or more. or something, anyway FOR LITERALLY YEARS!!11"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what ?
asciilifeform: ( if mircea_popescu needed a 2009opteron for own use -- asciilifeform could, in principle, help. but if he needed a rack-house filled with them -- the gods themselves, could not help. )
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: i'll mention one thing tho: you cited "$10k+ / year" figures and all that, but just ftr i don't believe the actual *profit margin* (vs. revenue) would be decent. that said, this should of course be researched.
mircea_popescu: of course you don't. why don't you ?
mircea_popescu: is it from the experience of being a businessman, or is it from the experience of being a cocksucker, begging this and that, like the schmuck i just negrated ?
mircea_popescu: cuz this might matter, at least somewhat.
shinohai: srsly
asciilifeform: incidentally, if it turns out that mircea_popescu had in fact buried 10,001 opterons somewhere in the desert, now'd be the time to dig'em up. and profit margin will be very respectable.
asciilifeform: ( naturally , don't sell'em, tmsr-isp'em. )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same argument could be made re mp's bitcoins, mp's slavegirls, mp's anythings yes ? how much would a girl properly trained sell for, seeing how the fucking shah of brunei can't, apparently, find one, and not for lack of trying ? subquestion : what THE FUCK is "respectable" supposed to mean in a world where apparently mp is the only one who has shit and everyone else will resist getting ~~~~~~ANY~~~~~ shit whatso
mircea_popescu: ever at all WITH THEIR FUCKING LIFE
mircea_popescu: respectable profit in what sense, i'll trade my time for fiatollars and then what ?
shinohai still wants one of mircea_popescu 's thinkpads from back in the day ....
asciilifeform: what part of 'don't sell'em' was not clear
asciilifeform: run, e.g., tmsr-isp .
mircea_popescu: oh, i should run it. i see.
asciilifeform: not even addressed to mircea_popescu in particular.
mircea_popescu: fwiw, 6274 for instance still on amazon at 800 bux or so.
mircea_popescu: the 4gz fx 8370 goes for 150 bux, used. and so on.
asciilifeform: fx lacks ecc.
asciilifeform: (not the chip per se, but the known mobos did)
asciilifeform: 6274 was a good one
asciilifeform: gotta wonder what the 'market depth' is.
Framedragger: btw, if anyone is considering doing the isp thing, one of the potential providers which offers colo is https://pinspb.ru/ (doesn't look serious i know, but after some research it turns out to have close ties to 2x4.ru, and that's not a bad sign.)
Framedragger: ^ can purchase ip blocks via 'em, too, for good price; etc.
asciilifeform: https://pinspb.ru/79 << seems like they only take ru-only spampaypals tho
asciilifeform: or hm, nm, they also eat 'visa' etc
asciilifeform: but not - it seems - btc.
Framedragger: if there is a will!..
Framedragger recalls using some 'virtual gold' 'incorporated in panama' company currency to trade goods. sustainable? no. can make it werk for specific trades? can do!
asciilifeform: isp is typically a recurring thing tho, vs 'specific trade'
mircea_popescu: ~any isp will open you a wire channel if you're paying them substantially. pay them quarterly, it'll be substantial enough.
asciilifeform: the linked isp even offers year-long parcel
asciilifeform: and definitely eats wires
mircea_popescu: so then. you want to use the wire system whenever you can anyway.
Framedragger: yepyep. i must say that i had not dealt with them directly, ever. but it came up in my 'ok so what actual non-nato providers/DCs could i use?'
asciilifeform: Framedragger: 2x4 came up in my list also
mircea_popescu: russia is not without its own problems but having a dc there is certainly a sound plan.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah, but they don't offer colo, at least upon initial glance. can send query, of course. but may as well deal with their upstream DCs
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu recently discovered that you gotta buy a colo if you want to emplace something as small as even a FUCKGOATS
Framedragger: (iirc pinspb hosts, or is related to 2x4 dns boxes. would need to dig up)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wonder how the ssl idiots handle this ( they have, or at least at one time had, hardware accelerators for their nonsense . did they also have to pay for entire machine colo, to plug in the 1 board ?? )
Framedragger: some providers may agree to attach usb devices. iirc (possibly) leaseweb. (based in .nl, i know, but they also fought some 'give us yer customers' cases iirc)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i said cherryservers (ex balticservers) didn't want to.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: my (possibly naive) picture is that it does very little good to put a FG ~outside~ of box, where any idiot could unplug or substitute it; it only begins to make sense inside a welded colo box
asciilifeform: ( or , ideally, box in your castle )
Framedragger: cherryservers do seem nice but their nato affiliation is over 9000 hah
Framedragger: asciilifeform: ah shit, of course
mircea_popescu: i don't get what the problem with colocating boxes is supposed to be. pro tip : every box in every rack in every datacenter on planet earth WAS COLOCATED THERE.
mircea_popescu: this is like a discussion of dairy attempting to avoid cows.
mircea_popescu: "oh but they moo" "so what the fuck if they do." "it's scary!" "dude..."
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what do you mean, do you mean resistance against colocating?
mircea_popescu: i mean of course you'll colocate boxes, this is what you do. isp places his boxes in a datacenter, it's the job description.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu earlier asked some dc for 'i'll lease your box but plug in this 1 thing'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wasn't some dc, was named and renamed above!
asciilifeform: this is a sort of chimera of 'colo' and conventional
Framedragger: ah. rightright.
mircea_popescu: it was an isp. one that on the price front is pretty cool but on the service front sucks.
Framedragger: maybe a matter of renting rack unit vs rack vs cage
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i want to deal with them anyway.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it could even be the case that the 'no, we won't plug your box in' are not in fact selling physical boxes. but instead are fraudulently peddling vmtron
asciilifeform: or whatever unmanned thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they';re the people hosting phuctor.
asciilifeform: could be the case that dulap is 'grandfathered' physical box, but new ones are vm.
asciilifeform: or who knows.
Framedragger: could it be legitimate concern of space in their cramped cages that they are worrying about? (i know, naive interpretation)
mircea_popescu: which, to resolve ~that~ problem, alone eats plenty of yearly thousands of dollars. it alone, the loss leader of one of the projects etc.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger or they have a 3 ring binder, or whatever the fuck. why should i debug their process when instead i could debug yours.
Framedragger posts ad, "need slavegirls, for mopping -- my backlog"
mircea_popescu: !~calc 0.38090752 * 12 * bitcoin-last or what was it
Framedragger: curious, what is phuctor's cpu? xeon e5-4620? v2/v3/v4?
mircea_popescu: the exact machine is in the reports when i got it.
shinohai: Heh `anonymint` reborn locked that other thread, is evidently working on some new vaporware: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1837136.msg18597183#msg18597183
Framedragger: summary of short chat with cherryservers (hey can't hurt): they used to offer colo but do no more (hmh); they "may" consider attaching "arduino-sized" (my description) hardware device, will report back tomorrow after consulting with technicians when they are in.
Framedragger: (sorry for low-level noise, just for posterity.)
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/largo-al-factotum-della-citta-della-citta-della/ << Trilema - Largo al factotum della citta, della citta, della...
mircea_popescu: shinohai so basically this is the monero unraveling / going away party or what.
Framedragger: https://recon.cx/2014/slides/Recon%202014%20Skochinsky.pdf << nothing new, but sat down to read some slides about teh backdoor in question, more technical details, decent overview imho. "slides" because info needs to be patched up from proprietary intel SDKs etc etc
mircea_popescu: fucking intel.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: old
Framedragger: asciilifeform: yeah apparently. but gotta start somewhere. and yeh i understand that shit's different *again* since then
asciilifeform: nah afaik basic scheme is same
asciilifeform: and on amd also very similar
Framedragger: amd "kinda said" they may release full src for coreboot et al., but obvs no dice yet
asciilifeform: signed blobware runs on own, separate core with access to everything (plus own sram)
Framedragger: access to main memory, access to *network* (complete bypass of cpu), yeahyeah... amazing
asciilifeform: Framedragger: if you think they'll release the privkey, i got a bridge to sellya
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and of course can't just ablate it
Framedragger: asciilifeform: no, but the src of the separate kernel at the very least. "gotta start somewhere", again. but yeah i know, sisyphus much
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nope, boobytrapped, box shuts down in iirc 30min
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: machine doesn't boot if you do, it's for enterprise security you understand
Framedragger: (at least in intel ME, from slides i infer that if it doesn't detect the "ME firmware part in BIOS flash", it doesn't even turn on?)
mircea_popescu: and all this happened because well, the dorks that were supposed to stand up against it were jwzing.
mircea_popescu: "for obvious reasons"
mircea_popescu: then they wanna go around pretending like fucking goats is somehow obscene. had they fucked goats instead they'd be quite a lot more respectable.
asciilifeform: 'stand up' how? like rms?
asciilifeform: fat lot of good he did.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform like not buying it.
mircea_popescu: this company will not buy anything with that crap. nor can it -- if it tried everyone'd just leave anyway.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do smart people stand up agaionst the empire of stupid ? BY NOT BEING PART OF IT. hurr.
asciilifeform: smart people count for ~0, apparently, as economic mass
Framedragger: and yet and yet, all them new xeons....
mircea_popescu: entirely not true.
asciilifeform: the britney buyers -- for ~100%.
mircea_popescu: count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs.
Framedragger: amd dropped coreboot support in (iirc) 2013 *because* it deemed it not profitable. impact to business probably ~0.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: usg seekret decree.
asciilifeform: 'fritz chip or HaveProblems'
Framedragger: asciilifeform: that's the more dramatic take on it; the other one is "most of linux powerusers are dirt poor, and there aren't many of them [and the companies which *run* on linux do not count as part of the former group.]"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and why don't they.
Framedragger: they just use linux and do not give a fuck about getting fucked in ass if money keeps flowing in. money from business and customers who *are not* high-principled powerusers
asciilifeform: well for one thing, ~nobody runs linux, they run rathead, africa, other 'i can't believe it's not's
mircea_popescu: Framedragger and why are they capable of hiring anything but sheilas ?
Framedragger: anyway, i don't see much outrage in regards to intel ME outside of tmsr et al.
mircea_popescu: i don't see much thinking outside of tmsr et all.
Framedragger: yes but this is a bit circular, one of those "prove P: if tmsr, then P; ergo, P"
mircea_popescu: hey, i actually tend to take time out of my day and examine candidates.
mircea_popescu: somehow the examination comes out the same fucking way all the time.
mircea_popescu: either "momentary lapse into lucidity" by dubious author with VERY clenched teeth, usually decade+ old ; or else cat-v/##crypto/tardstalk/reddit/tedx/etcetera.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: whatever things the folx who happily swallow intel cock might do -- 'thinking' is not a legitimate description of any of it
mircea_popescu: the prototype of the former being of course naggum, who would have some rather pointed questions to answer hadn't he taken the easy way out. most of the rest aren't quite that hard stuff, live a life of living death instead, cowering in their basement from tmsr emails etc.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: there is that. point is, world is ~sheep (when approximated/rounded), they have fiatbux/lifedebtbux, they don't care about these things, intel's profits come at scale, hence investing into "decent tech" is not business-viable. is all i'm sayin'.
mircea_popescu: "whisperers" as alf calls them.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger the point you elide is that all that fiatola "money" is not actually anything.
Framedragger checks, can't yet pay for utilities with non-fiat
mircea_popescu: i dunno how you managed to miss the esr poverty discussion and the debian dork murder and the devil's leaves metaphore and everything else.
mircea_popescu: but hey, you got time.
Framedragger: (not disagreeing with core point.)
mircea_popescu: consider : even if i somehow decided to sell a girl, there exists no one who can meaningfully pay for her. what "money" ?
mircea_popescu: "utilities" ?! gimme a break ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's 'not anything' is true re 'resource-allocatory' moneys
asciilifeform: but not of daily-bread moneys.
mircea_popescu: "count for 100% just as soon as they stop telling themselves the 0% story to get to the slop like the rest of the pigs."
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: alright, more than that: i place higher odds of usd surviving in 2050 if put against btc surviving in 2050. why: a very primitive "age of existence" heuristic. and, i don't trust EC crypto, like, you know, no-one here does. so not willing to put retirement savings into btc. it adds up, utilities, retirement.
ben_vulpes: lol that's a great gif
mircea_popescu: there is ~no chance~ of an usd in 2050.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ikr
asciilifeform: 0 of btc, either, geometric db death.
ben_vulpes: the latter at least is fixable.
mircea_popescu: saving in usd, though. for retirement. this gotta take the cake.
asciilifeform: ( before mircea_popescu balks -- 'trbi' ain't btc )
mircea_popescu: i didn't balk.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nope
Framedragger: (just to be clear, this is another is/ought, i was doing the "is" (imho) part ^, not "ought", of course)
asciilifeform: 'saving' dun work
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didn't you demonstrate that lookup could be got down to o(1)?
asciilifeform: we had thread
Framedragger: (also, by 'usd' meant a portfolio of different fiats)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger tell you what, review what your grandparents earned in usd when they were your age, figure out how well they'd live on it today.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "different fiats". the chinese made a usd-counerparty-fiat just for the purpose of insulating usg from their economy.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: theoretically. but tx grow in number, and ssd grows no cheaper.
mircea_popescu: in this sense, usd=eur=rmb=etc.
asciilifeform: likewise memory.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: also recall the 'tx replacement' thread. classical btc has uncorrectable birth defects.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 'If your system is 10 years old or newer it is likely exploitable' << 2009opteron4evah!111 << /me pats 'harpertown' and 'woodcrest' boxes on head. searches classifieds for backups.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: right, insane inflation. counterpoint "it's all about timing and location" anecdote (purely for entertainment): dad worked in chocolate factory in u.s. back in ~1991, for 2-3mo.; went home with ~ $1k, bought car and flat. ppp!
mircea_popescu: and what's that show ?
Framedragger: "worked for him!"
mircea_popescu: that the braindead fiat of the local socialists was going to outlive the at-the-time republic-of-smart-people currency ?
Framedragger: but yes, saving over multiple decades, different thing *entirely*, of course of course.
mircea_popescu: ass-backwards logic you got going there.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: moreover, there does not exist such a place as from which they won't steal it. whenever they feel like it.
mircea_popescu: yes dude, and some kid worked in bitcoin, bought wife and girlfriend.
mircea_popescu: "framedragger's dad hjad the sense to leave shitistan, worked for dollars in 1991, came back with 1k bought flat, spawned kid, who is too dumb to leave shitistan and work for bitcoin, make 1k, perpetuate the cycle"
mircea_popescu: is the idea that the family line ends with you or what is this anecdote about ?
Framedragger: seems like :D
Framedragger: nah, yeah, i gettit.
mircea_popescu: ask your dad about it!
trinque: I dunno how a kid from .lt thinks whichever govt is everlasting; even the last two cocks that fucked them in the ass withered
trinque: BUT THE THIRD SHALL STAND
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: do you happen to recall when we had the thread re 'saving' being a magical-thinking delusion as a concept ?
mircea_popescu: well, "the made-1k-realpeoplecurrency-bought flat and cheap hooker in socialistan" anecdote has naught to do with "saving"
pete_dushenski: also, for anyone looking for dc at which to host ssdbox+fuckgoats, you now have an option! http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/tHFsH/?raw=true (cad$189=usd$138 currently, dc located in montreal)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski montreal is not part of the world.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: nato
asciilifeform: what next, mordor ?
pete_dushenski recalls "no natoreich" thread, lowers head.
Framedragger: pete_dushenski: curious how much they'd quote for 256 GB ECC ram :) (phuctor)
mircea_popescu: i'm actually thinking of standing up a similar box for eulora.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: already it is so hungry ??
mircea_popescu: eh, better to overprovision than to underprovision these things. but no, not yet.
mircea_popescu: which is why i'm in no terrible hurry ; trying to spawn actual alternative first etc.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: if the baltics are technically in nato per http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/nato_countries.htm, this leaves approx. russia, china, japan, korea, and... ?
asciilifeform: unless north
mircea_popescu: nor japan.
mircea_popescu: hey, i'd love one in say syria.
mircea_popescu: i'd have bought in mossul had the idiots been a little less inept
pete_dushenski: ok so russia, china, and moslem middle east / mediterranean ?
pete_dushenski: just trying to map this out.
mircea_popescu: and africa, and south / central america and go on.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of independent pacific islands,
asciilifeform: islands tend to have thin bandwidth
Framedragger: unfortunately northern syria (rojava) uses internet via turkish radio towers (checked / had chat with them once). that'd be an interesting location (kurdish autonomous region; i mean, while it lasts....)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i dun right off know i'd have a problem with turkey.
Framedragger: alsoalso, ideally more than one upstream ^
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: lol if people want boxes racked in the heart of the empire i can do it for 100/mo for a 2U
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: they have massive firewall, blocking at will. could be not a problem, depending on business case of customers of course. and i guess the counter would be "everyone does"
mircea_popescu: eh they have my foot.
mircea_popescu: let them show me this wonder.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: guess so.
Framedragger: they blocked wikipedia like 2 days ago heh
Framedragger: (mp: "this is good!" :D )
mircea_popescu: the fact that they're blocking the usg tendrils scarcely argues against them.
Framedragger finds any "blocking" to be retarded on a fundamental level
mircea_popescu: (no, wikipedia has nothing to do wirth anything BUT usg propaganda.)
mircea_popescu: Framedragger why ? we blockl idiots routinely.
Framedragger: we block idiot "write access", so to speak. not blacklisting IPs in logotrons (yet!)
mircea_popescu: so explain this to me. yesterday i was in ##crypto. after a while i... left. this has the blessed effect that the inept idiocies spewed by some immature dickheads no longer befoul my timeline. turkey allowed wikipedia. then after a while it turned it off. this has the blessed effect thjat immature dickheads no longer befoul its timeline.
mircea_popescu: what is the problem ?
mircea_popescu: and don't tell me "that people themselves should be able to choose". people themselves are morons, will gladly "choose" frozen tacos if given that "choice".
Framedragger: i admit that i still have this notion of "global internet" in my mind, as a +ev thing.
Framedragger: so the disagreement stems from that (naive) premise. other parts of reasoning i cannot disagree with, of course.
Framedragger: what can i say!
mircea_popescu: hey, global internet, yes. not for things though.
mircea_popescu: for people.
Framedragger: i use wikipedia for quick lookup of $topic sometimes; i also use it as "collection of references to other places" thing. is this fundamentally toxic? maybe.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: would you, personally, meet with any serious difficulty loading pediwikia in tr, cn, etc ?
mircea_popescu: it is fundamentally toxic, yes. this is how you ended up with so many "naive premise can't disagree with other partrs" etc.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: no, and i see what you mean
mircea_popescu: just like it doesn't really matter what specifically you watch on tv, it's still turning you into a single fat middle aged woman.
mircea_popescu: the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho
mircea_popescu: p looking just like the display only better.
mircea_popescu: and he wants to save!
mircea_popescu: if a million dollars buys you a decent meal in another 25 years you should count yourself lucky, and that's only 2042, 8 more to go to 2050.
Framedragger: i suppose the alternative is not necessarily "buy up bitcoin" (somehow stuck in mind), but invest in business (and possibly (non-nato, or w/e) real estate). (not against my current plans, just, can't do all at once (yet))
mircea_popescu: yes. the alternative to not being a creature of this world is BEING a creature of this world.
mircea_popescu: nobody said you gotta be a figment of some redditard's imagination, now did they.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "saving" as alf referenced previous discussion because this "saving" is fundamentally and at its core an anti-concept. "how to be powerless while retaining power". nigga, wut ?
mircea_popescu: saving works when it's not saving.
Framedragger: thanks, that makes sense of course.
shinohai: "Does Eulora accept Monero?" lmfao
shinohai should start brokering shitcoin for ecu at a btc 2:1 ratio
mircea_popescu: shinohai can't see what'd stop you.
mircea_popescu: take whatever shitcoins at whatever margin, legitimate biz.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: in theory, any objections to a dc located in india ?
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: kk.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in bed, bath and beyonder, ttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1009407.msg11522596#msg11522596
mircea_popescu: !!key iluvbtcFOC
Framedragger: "I can vouch for iluvbitcoins. I haven't dealt with him but I have a spoken to him a few times a while back." what
Framedragger: "we have very different notions of 'vouch' in our minds, friendo"
mircea_popescu: well, vouching party not in your wot.
Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
Framedragger: *actually*, one needs to ask their hosting providers if AMT is enabled (BIOS setting), wouldn't hurt
Framedragger: ('provisioning' (see link) is (i think) a separate thing.)
mircea_popescu: eh, they'll be happily churning along years from now. just look at the debian keys or openssh horrors etc.
Framedragger: funny: if one were to follow intel's route of patching firmware, as regards say x220s, lenovo gives update in the form of windows executables
Framedragger: re 'years from now', guess so, can't see why not. fun exploit times! (but seriously, opened ticket at $provider to query about a xeon cpu)
a111: Logged on 2017-04-21 17:38 davout: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-21#1646944 <<< god no, please no, OVH is a collection of terminally retarded fuckwits living in france's arse hole
Framedragger: "tl;dr: OVH had an issue where your second network card was connected to other servers in the datacenter. This allowed you to run a DHCP server and offer a gateway. This also allows you to MITM several machines outbound traffic, I had 35 machines responding back with DHCP Leases and about 4 routing outbound traffic to me as their router."
mircea_popescu: trinque there's a vulnerability in how deedbot handles registrations in that even with nick enforcing on, one has enough time before chanserv kicks him off (2-3 seconds ?) to shoot a reg string at deedbot and get the name registered to his key.
Framedragger: 30 seconds after nick requested, i believe
mircea_popescu: or that.
Framedragger: (-NickServ- You have 30 seconds to identify to your nickname before it is changed.)
Framedragger: i like her smile
mircea_popescu: i like her shoes.
trinque: mircea_popescu: idea being to require people to be auth'd to nickserv first?
mircea_popescu: nah, !!v
mircea_popescu: if he can't then trash the reg.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: what does that accomplish? !!v to show that key i'm registering is indeed owned by me?
mircea_popescu: oh doh, it proves nothing, huh.
mircea_popescu: i guess this is one of those, "pretend like your name reg is worth something without deedbot at your own peril" impedance mismatches not really worth fixing.
Framedragger: almost as if the thing would need to wait and then send a challenge to that same nick, but this is kinda promisetronic i guess.
Framedragger: aha maybe..
trinque: yeah, sorta tape over "we don't own the ircd"
mircea_popescu: Framedragger yeah, not sure how much work i want expended to support nickserv's fiatista notions of dns.
mircea_popescu: trinque more like, yet another case of bad dns implemented ad-hoc by pretenders.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650704 << over here, all 3 grades of petrol are 10% etoh
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 21:11 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 19:37 mircea_popescu: the lulz of all fucking time, a grand bought his father a new life 25 years ago ; i just did the household accounting, my petty cash line is a shade over $8`000. that excludes rents like it excludes isp bills or agents on a mission or anything else worth the fucking mention. a grand would buy me half a week's worth of groceries, taking a girl out or buying her some random dress we saw in the window so she comes out of the sho
asciilifeform: even if not incl. rents
asciilifeform wonders what 'new life's go for nowadays. 8mil?
asciilifeform: that's approx what asciilifeform's threshhold for 'bag of usd large enough to be felt'.
Framedragger: (in fairness, it wasn't 'newlifeomg!', it was 'a buncha things in 1991~2 .lt during bank crisis etc')
asciilifeform: Framedragger: over here in 'free' world , 'bank crisis' dun mean 'things get cheap', it means typically that you lose job/house/etc.
asciilifeform: btw asciilifeform was just now in a dock yard. readers may be enlightened to learn that 8k usd does not even buy a rowboat. y'know, the kind with oars.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650717 << dun look like any other patch is available, or planned
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 22:37 Framedragger: funny: if one were to follow intel's route of patching firmware, as regards say x220s, lenovo gives update in the form of windows executables
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650713 << again it makes 0 sense to say 'turns out, amt was vulnerable'. it IS A vuln, from day1
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 22:24 Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
asciilifeform: whether lizard hitler alone, or 10,001 scriptkiddie derps, have the key, is immaterial
asciilifeform: is this really a hard concept ??
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, 8k buys you like two cars here.
mircea_popescu: also a row boat where you live goes for $200 to $800 depending on model.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is more in line with my naive picture.
asciilifeform: tbh i have nfi why the local market is what it is. maybe racing-grade custom shitanium boatz.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 01:44 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, 8k buys you like two cars here.
mircea_popescu: what new, costa rica produces cars now ?
asciilifeform: maybe cuban-style 'lada chassis, new toyota motor'..
asciilifeform: btw pete_dushenski would appreciate the scene : old pickup truck on street, sign 'for sale' : 28k usd.
asciilifeform: nothing, as far as i could tell, remarkable about it
mod6: !!key pete_dushenski
asciilifeform: mats: see today's logs
mats: ya but that dummy had nothing but insinuations
mats: and claims as to 'our team was looking for hardware backdoors' when the guy's a 'journalist' is dubious at best
mircea_popescu: burned hole, "plox upgrade to new one" business as usual.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 22:24 Framedragger: re https://security-center.intel.com/advisory.aspx?intelid=INTEL-SA-00075&languageid=en-fr (released today) (AMT (part of intel's ME) mega-vulnerable (shocker i know)), will just remind x220 fans that those laptops are 'biznis grade' and hence have AMT in them.
mats: oh
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-01#1650704 << over here, all 3 grades of petrol are 10% etoh << aha. i recalled that your swampy corner of the continent was so afflicted. california is even worse iirc.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-01 21:11 deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/05/01/youre-not-saving-anything-at-the-pumps-with-cheap-gas/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - You’re not saving anything at the pumps with cheap gas.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-02 00:54 asciilifeform: cheap.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-10 01:43 mircea_popescu is more than willing to share his dollar-a-lb bounty with l1 all-comers. i also made myself fruit salad out of [actually ripe] mango, [actually ripe] pineapple, [actually ripe] banmanas, drenched in fresh oj etc.
pete_dushenski: cr no es muy caro
BingoBoingo: Here ethanol free is available from stations near lakes
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: could you take a picture of said $28k pickup ?
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: so powerboats don't seize up or what ?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i will, if it turns up again
asciilifeform: iirc was a toyota.
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