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BingoBoingo: pantsuits continue thrashing https://archive.is/VJKNF
mats: before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys?
ben_vulpes: mats: godspeed
ben_vulpes: sks uses bdb as well?
mats: indeeds
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647772 << i tried this, wasted a great deal of time. you can't get an sks dump by running sks.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 04:28 mats: before i install sks and figure out how to wrangle bdb - someone have a dump of ascii armored pub keys?
asciilifeform: unless an ~existing~ sks user gives you a connection
asciilifeform: it resembles trb 'wires' .
shinohai: http://archive.is/2pUP4 <<< Guess Qntra can pack it in huh
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://archive.is/UfvDj >> 'Entire U.S. Senate to go to White House for North Korea briefing'
mircea_popescu: ahahaha, don't tell me new korea war
mircea_popescu: after being defeated in the middle east pentagon actually figures it'll just move ?
mircea_popescu: mod6 i guess one could organize some great irl arcades here huh.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647776 << can anyone invite them here ? they're evidently in need of a little guidance.
mircea_popescu would much prefer a dozen or two usian kids who are willing to commandeer bart trains instead of ten or twenty thousand sillycon valley drones.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: supposedly band of 80 !
mircea_popescu: that'd be cool.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647781 << eh, pedo's just chasing headlines for the next "wikipedia is free and no advertising" advertising drive.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 12:49 shinohai: http://archive.is/2pUP4 <<< Guess Qntra can pack it in huh
asciilifeform: then again, band of macaques could probably rob a train of disarmed, 'respectable' office plankton, with 0 effort
mircea_popescu: band of macaques > murder of cs grads.
asciilifeform: this is ye olde 'pirate is ubermensch' thread again, ainnit.
shinohai add "Macaque training camps" to the list of necessary items .....
mircea_popescu: no, this is ye olde "pencildick is untermensch" thread.
mircea_popescu: trying to knock young men down ain't gonna do jack for propping up unmen.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 i guess one could organize some great irl arcades here huh. << sure sounds like it. :]
mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
mircea_popescu: lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: holy shit what will the world do without the opinions of odonnel & her ilk!!11
mircea_popescu: 0.nothing percent doesn't matter ?!?!
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647801 << i'ma publish another db dump later today, you can use that .
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 13:18 mats: asciilifeform: ok thanks for the heads up. can i get a dump of fingerprints from phuctor? i will crawl sks instead
asciilifeform: mats: what are you thinking of doing ?
mircea_popescu: darn !#s dc pizza returns nothing.
mircea_popescu: ah nm, spelling etc.
mats: asciilifeform: wot analysis and identifying weirdness that pgp will accept but ordinarily silently discard some aspect (wrappers i've looked at don't use verbose flag during import) , ie, a subkey binding like the hpa key
mats: sorry, gpg.
mats: looking to see just how much diddling is going on here
asciilifeform: mats: you might want the raw sks set rather than mine then
asciilifeform: because phuctor's includes only such keys as were successfully eaten by the parser
asciilifeform: (which means, pure rsa, no orc glyphs, no catastrophic malformed packet prior to modulus, etc)
mats: ok
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, some dork using a variety of 104.192.3. ips has been hitting trilema (POST to xmlrpc.php, of course) for what, six months now ? total fucking tards, do 10 requests per second for hundreds of days straight with no results whatsoever and keep at it.
mircea_popescu: yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun.
shinohai: "No me gustan las mujeres ... me dan asco!"
shinohai: my fucking sides.
mircea_popescu: no it is modern art!
shinohai: Trolling that good is indeed an art.
shinohai: Nice crow pic .... I've always had a soft spot for them, they are actually quite smart.
mircea_popescu: these are very different from euro variety.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647818 << ~nobody who does this sort of thing, ever pays for ~anything. certainly not for bandwidth. ( and supposing he did -- what's a TB cost at market rate ? fiddybux ? )
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 14:11 mircea_popescu: yesterday i banned his B block, meaning that instead of getting back the 130ish bytes per request ("please stop beingt stupid" or somesuch) he's now getting a 404. trilema delivers soft 404s, in the sense of loading up an article anyway. idiot's burned half a terrabyte since, which he hopefully has to pay for. because if he does, his entire (large, holy shit) operation is now under water. dun dun dun.
mircea_popescu: so what, data wagon llc is just giving him free pipe ?
asciilifeform: infected chumpers -- do
mircea_popescu: and infected chumpers -- pay
asciilifeform: well yes. sorta whole 'point' of a worm
mircea_popescu: tis what i meant by "idiot", also.
asciilifeform: aah lolk
shinohai: !~blocks
jhvh1: shinohai: 463457
deedbot: http://www.contravex.com/2017/04/25/how-developmentally-stunted-ingrates-like-bram-cohen-imagine-bitcoin-mining-companies/ << » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski - How Developmentally Stunted Ingrates Like Bram Cohen Imagine Bitcoin Mining Companies
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 13:21 mircea_popescu: lol that salon piece was pretty lulzy. o noes, the thin but vocal layer of unemployed and unemployable "independent women" is getting cut out of politics too, after being cut out of public discourse and the money pie ?!?!?!?!
mircea_popescu: is this good for fiatcoin ?
asciilifeform: http://archive.is/PFvo7 << in other lulz >> 'Multiple shareholders stood and yelled at the board of directors and Chief Executive Tim Sloan. The shareholders were angry about the bank's creation of as many as 2.1 million phony accounts in customers' names.'
ben_vulpes: definitely good for the lulzconomy
ben_vulpes: lulzcownomy?
ben_vulpes: lol cow anomie
trinque: same color scheme as mcdonalds. relevant.
ben_vulpes: w also similar in shape to upside down double arches
ben_vulpes: shadow corporatocracy signaling its cronies
asciilifeform: and now for Something Completely Different >> http://bisqwit.iki.fi/story/howto/bitmath << one of those rare 1990s-style actually-useful www .
ben_vulpes: 404's for me
ben_vulpes: ah, trailing slash necessary
asciilifeform: the 404 is pretty great tho
ben_vulpes: and how
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: great link
mircea_popescu: o no, don't tell me... the fiat empire consists principally of dead souls ?! which have bank accounts and facebook accounts and read the new yorker and vote pantsuit ?!
asciilifeform: apparently old noose, e.g. http://archive.is/RUnBw
asciilifeform: the best part: 'Fargo CFO John Shrewsberry told 500 senior Wells Fargo execs in a conference call that the scandal would not affect third-quarter earnings "much." '
asciilifeform: it isn't as if wf were a company, in the customary sense -- it's a usg organ, like microshit. 'tbtf'
asciilifeform: berkshire, iirc, owns 24B usd of it.
asciilifeform: 'Wells Fargo said it had fired 5,300 employees found to have defrauded customers.' << gold
asciilifeform: because - somehow - each of 5,300 (and strictly this number) did it on own, personal lark.
mats: bonus footage: dog takes a dump at the end
shinohai: http://www.sikoba.com/www/presale/index.html <<< You just can't make these lulz up
shinohai: Perhaps if I send then an IOU for the presale tokens all will be good?
mircea_popescu: lol "the sikoba platform"
mircea_popescu: dorks learned ~0 since dotcom bubble burst did they.
mircea_popescu: o check it out, you get 60% more worthless shit if you send 10 ethereum than if you send 40.
ben_vulpes: impressive splatter on that one
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-25#1647755 << i think this is more of an american thing (and derivative cultures), because ru death metal fan stereotype is a lanky guy with long hair
a111: Logged on 2017-04-25 02:26 mircea_popescu: phf as a side point, do you know anyone totally into death methal with a bmi under 30 ?
phf: actually lurkmore has the proper illustration >> http://lurkmore.so/images/b/b0/Doomres8by.gif
pete_dushenski: mats: heh quite the kaboom
asciilifeform: in other magas, https://archive.is/SaZEV >> 'A federal judge in California on Tuesday temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s efforts to withhold funding from cities that limit their cooperation with federal immigration enforcement...'
asciilifeform: 'San Francisco and Santa Clara County, which had asked the judge for an injunction, “have a strong interest in avoiding unconstitutional federal enforcement and the significant budget uncertainty that has resulted from the Order’s broad and threatening language,” the judge wrote, referring to Mr. Trump’s January executive order on immigration.'
asciilifeform: didjaknow.
pete_dushenski: https://archive.is/kb67L << "Here in the identity division at Microsoft, we don’t like passwords any more than you do! So we’ve been hard at work creating a modern way to sign in that doesn’t require upper and lowercase letters, numbers, a special character, and your favorite emoji."
pete_dushenski: "With phone sign-in, we’re shifting the security burden from your memory to your device. Just add your account to the Android or iOS Microsoft Authenticator app, then enter your username as usual when signing in somewhere new. Instead of entering your password, you’ll get a notification on your phone. Unlock your phone, tap “Approve”, and you’re in."
pete_dushenski: sounds like the future fo sho.
asciilifeform: nah, fyootor is 'log in with your rfid cranial implant'
trinque: !~bible rev 13:16
jhvh1: trinque: [KJV] Revelation 13:16 :: And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
pete_dushenski: and that's how you end up with hebes wrapped in t'filin
trinque: tinfoil t'filin ?
pete_dushenski: as long as there's a little prayer scroll in all the tinfoil!
trinque: lol
pete_dushenski has worn. once. at 'wall'.
pete_dushenski: don't think it brought me much closer to hashem. just have to wait for musk's tesla'filin for my salvation!
danielpbarron: apparently one of the firms developing that tech has a building at 666 5th Ave NYC
mod6: my second run on the 2nd FG out of my bunch has completed. results here: http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.ent_run2.txt http://www.mod6.net/fg/fg-test/fg2.dieharder_run2.txt
asciilifeform: neato mod6
asciilifeform: incidentally i had a thought re what an 'ideal dieharder' might look like.
asciilifeform: imho it ought to return an ~algo~ for attempting a better-than-chance prediction of nth bit, given n;
asciilifeform: or of k-th bit, given bits k_i-j ... k_i , for some j.
asciilifeform: because that's, really, what alleged 'weakness' means -- that you can say 'can predict...'
asciilifeform: this generalization also exposes what exactly the 'minimal sample' is, likewise.
asciilifeform: for very short input, algo will be likewise short. for long, well-entropic -- long. for long, poorly-entropic -- short.
asciilifeform: the scalarization of 'weakness' is an absurdity. gotta make this -- specific -- claim.
asciilifeform: * of k_i+1st bit
asciilifeform: ideally this output (algo) would consist of a runnable lisp proggy.
asciilifeform: that way you do not have to wonder wtf the particular test consisted of. and can immediately replicate.
asciilifeform: (without a copy of the tester, even.)
asciilifeform: btw i now realize that this entire idea isn't asciilifeform's, but actually greg chaitin's.
asciilifeform: from 1990s.
asciilifeform: described in almost exactly these terms.
asciilifeform: but i haven't the original paper at hand, this is a 20y+ memory.
asciilifeform: ( if anyone recalls where this was -- plz post !! )
asciilifeform: until somebody suggests a better name, i'ma call this hypothetical method 'die maximally hard'.
mod6: heheh. i'll look for the posting
asciilifeform quite enjoyed the ru sphere's name for dieharder, 'умри тяжело'
asciilifeform: ( approx. 'go and die a hard death' )
asciilifeform: poor ol' english folx, have not only toilet and sink in same rooms, but imperative same as infinitive verb...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a pretty hard standard though.
mod6: not sure that this is it, but a decent read anyway: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html
mod6: !~s Ada Big_Number
jhvh1: mod6: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
mod6: inconceivable
shinohai: !~google Ada Big_Number
jhvh1: shinohai: Arbitrary length integer in Ada - Stack Overflow: <http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1309195/arbitrary-length-integer-in-ada>; The Big Number Page: <http://bignumber.chez.com/>; Ada –A Crash Course - VTC - Vermont Technical College: <http://web.vtc.edu/users/pcc09070/TutorialAda/AdaCrash.pdf>
mod6: I guess what I was looking for was this: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633709
a111: Logged on 2017-03-29 12:08 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-29#1633699 << it is a notbad library to study (no external deps!) -- but it DOES use heap.
mod6: I was thinking today about a ~tmsr~ crypto lib, and it starts (probably) thinking about bignum
mod6: I did run across one on shithub that was implemented with a linkedlist. this seems like exactly what we wouldn't want.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647926 << funnily enough, it's what i'm polishing for release as we speak.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 02:18 mod6: I was thinking today about a ~tmsr~ crypto lib, and it starts (probably) thinking about bignum
mod6: !
mod6: That's exciting asciilifeform
asciilifeform: since mod6 mentioned subj, i'll say a bit
asciilifeform: thing is optimized for -- strictly -- constant (always-worst-case) time and space usage; and fits-in-head (in that order)
asciilifeform: so not only , e.g., comparison, but addition, subtraction, take same number of ops regardless of what bits are set
asciilifeform: and all ints have fixed max width ( set at warmup )
mod6: aha. ok.
mod6: this is pretty similar to the semi-counterintuitive idea i had been thinking about -- or more probably, was remembering from a previous discussion in here about the same.
asciilifeform: no normalization, either - adding 8kb of zero to another 8kb of zero takes same time as any other possible pair of 8kb bitstrings.
mod6: right on. very cool.
asciilifeform: and no seekritbit-dependent branches.
asciilifeform: anywhere.
asciilifeform: ( in the arithm ops, that is )
asciilifeform: for some peculiar reason, everybody else (afaik) who implemented a bignumtron, only did this (or claimed, at any rate) for modular exponentiation -- but not for its subcomponent ops
asciilifeform: the usual argument is 'that'd be slow'
asciilifeform: but that's transparently bogus, rsa has 0 business ever running in anything but worst case spacetime
asciilifeform: ( and on encrypt, as well as decrypt end ! leaking plaintext isn't more forgivable on transmitter end than on receiver )
mircea_popescu: so how slow is it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the only palpably slow knob is prime-finding
asciilifeform: (several min. on pc with no entropy bottleneck (i.e. FG present))
mod6: my re-run of eatblock is complete... will re-post stats etc here in a bit
mod6: asciilifeform: cool
asciilifeform: aim is to cap the thing at its current ~1000 ln.
asciilifeform: short and simple enough for even exceptionally impatient folx to read and grasp.
mod6: very exciting stuff
asciilifeform: actually-- deadly boring stuff. and intentional. 0 surprises. 'schoolboy' algos for just about all arithm ops.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647918 << was quite exactly this idea, but it also had the lisp outputs iirc
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 01:56 mod6: not sure that this is it, but a decent read anyway: https://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/sciamer.html
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-04-26#1647917 << imho it's the only sane standard. rng 'weakness' can only be expressed properly as a 'predictor'. anything else is 'suggestively named token'
a111: Logged on 2017-04-26 01:54 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a pretty hard standard though.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> actually-- deadly boring stuff. and intentional. 0 surprises. 'schoolboy' algos for just about all arithm ops. << that's just it though. excitingly boring.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so, to take example, if you found a rng that turns out to emit digits of pi -- the proof-of-weakness will be plouffe's algo.
mircea_popescu: plouffe's algo took until 2010 to be spit out. by plouffe.
mircea_popescu: notwithstanding it is trivial in that "olympiad problem" sense.
asciilifeform: 2001 iirc
mircea_popescu: my 2001 is alt-spelled.
asciilifeform: but note that it dun have to be 'nth digit' , can also be 'next digit', o(n) , works just as well.
asciilifeform: for weakness proof.
mircea_popescu: the principle of the thing though. it is an exceptionally hard standard
mircea_popescu: not without theoretical merit ; but in practice imponderable.
asciilifeform: on the contrary -- all of the classical tests can be cleanly rewritten in this form
asciilifeform: at least, all of the meaningful ones...
asciilifeform: we aren't speaking of an ~optimal~ predictor, note
asciilifeform: ( that's provably undecidable )
asciilifeform: but of ~any~ better-than-chance predictor.
asciilifeform: any rng test can be rewritten as a producer of a predictor. or the test is rubbish.
asciilifeform: possibly the pi example was a poor one -- no ~automated~ tester, will ever find it, unless specifically made to
asciilifeform: ( the digits of pi do not autocorrelate, as far as anybody ever publicly found, in any other way )
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