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hanbot: couldn't've hurt. really though, there's nothing like travel and working for mp to give someone a pair of disdain and derision glasses.
BingoBoingo: But the forum offer a flayground full of bodies to skin!
hanbot: speaking of which, i got contact lenses for the first time last week. talked to a few people here about them, then realized i'd been calling them "contact lentils" (lentejas de contacto vs lentes)
BingoBoingo: Glasses only go so far. At some point gotta practice cutting.
hanbot: "i'm still getting used to my contact lentils", i said this.
ben_vulpes: how long did it take the arsholes to correct you?
hanbot: oh no, i realized this on my own. when out grocery shopping.
ben_vulpes: "oh, contact lentils, that's what they're called"
ben_vulpes: did any say contact lentils back?
hanbot: ...nah. but totally, a derpy tourist pidgin would be just the thing to take off here.
hanbot: anyway BingoBoingo a major lesson of the forum was that "nothing/nobody could be that fucking stupid" fails to pan out, and pretty much every time it's tested, too. i imagine scouting stories for qntra yields the same realization.
BingoBoingo: Pretty much
BingoBoingo: Except I don't get to play with the food as much.
hanbot: do you want to?
BingoBoingo: Nah, I have a hobby for that.
hanbot: BingoBoingo's backcatalogue of butthurt weeds? :D
BingoBoingo: lol, bipedal ones too
BingoBoingo: In other news, under Mayor de Blasio New York rents are apparently falling?
ben_vulpes: someone showed me a 'data point' that supported that hypothesis recently
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583052 << that's nothing ; in romania she asked the clerk in the fish shop for a coupla sidewalks, because english trout seemed cognate to romanian trotuar and wtf is a "pastrav". that guy is probably STILL staring into the empty space.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 05:06 hanbot: "i'm still getting used to my contact lentils", i said this.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583060 << it is, after all, how they ended up mispronouncing spanish. no, lluvia is not shuvia motherfuckers.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 05:14 hanbot: ...nah. but totally, a derpy tourist pidgin would be just the thing to take off here.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583068 << maybe the dear hearts an' gentle people of iowa&co finally figured out new york's really not worth the hassle ? and stopped moving there in hopes of becoming a magazine writer with a manhattan mansion just like that carrie bradshaw irl genuine real person ?
a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 06:14 BingoBoingo: In other news, under Mayor de Blasio New York rents are apparently falling?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, shooting in the dork here.
mircea_popescu: or maybe it's all part of the summoning of the great again. new york used to be the cheapest in the werld at some point.
asciilifeform: 'rents falling' could simply mean that 2 or 3 buffetts moved out...
asciilifeform: no need to even be a buffett, if asciilifeform were to move out of his street, 'rents would fall' there.
danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque can i still get this file somewhere?
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque whoops, this : http://btcbase.org/log/2015-08-15#1239186
a111: Logged on 2015-08-15 22:32 trinque: shinohai: http://deedbot.org/genbootstrap.sh
jhvh1: danielpbarron: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-13#1582850 << actually, eulora is a great imitation of life in this regard
a111: Logged on 2016-12-13 18:44 asciilifeform: or (at the risk of sounding like complete idiot, because i did not play it) alchemy in eulora, it works there, but meatspace 'alchemy' is considerably more expensive, painful, and rewards -- few and far between, and most practitioners live and die without accomplishing ~anything...
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/996F92C7319824CEFEB0D66EF1EFB5E5873B537266320EC2AFBB4C33C6534942 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1702...5683 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.98.38.26 (ssh-rsa key from 5.98.38.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host26-38-static.98-5-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
shinohai: CoinDesk's Most influential "People" in blockchain .... #2 Butterin .... #1 The DAO hacker lmao http://archive.is/kSuld
mircea_popescu: "in blockchain" loller.
mircea_popescu: how quickly we forget the very reason we even have to call it "blockchain" rather than pretend it's bitcoin. tsk tsk.
BingoBoingo: OMG number 10!
BingoBoingo: Ms Boring.
BingoBoingo: That one girl who came in with generic "bitcoingirl" nick or something like that and left. I think early 2014-ish
BingoBoingo: Anyways this is a serious Coindesk problem. People ask about doing things, decide to not do them instead doing the Silbert fiatola thing, and then make Coindesk list because it is all silbert stuff nao.
mod6: such influence
BingoBoingo: In similar news, Christmas Shopping for the frugal: Buy a Christmas Tree. Have the bottom limbs stripped off and cut it in half so the top becomes a small tree. Slice the now detached bottom log into disks. Score the bark on the disks with a knife. You now have a tree and tree scented disks to give as presents.
shinohai: http://www.thedp.com/article/2016/12/shakespeare-portrait-removed ".....replaced it with a photo of Audre Lorde, a black female writer." Such inclusiveness !
asciilifeform: 'The work by Wuille and others on the SegWit proposal, which moved from testing to launch over the course of 2016, has set the stage for what will likely be bitcoin’s critical development arc in 2017. For Wuille and all the other bitcoin developers in the world, 2017 is on course for a defining year.' << lel
mircea_popescu: that poor schmuck
mircea_popescu: anyway, so summer of forks is 2017 of forks nao ?
BingoBoingo: Summer of N+1 as usual!
phf: oh man, upenn, et tu, brute!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/996F92C7319824CEFEB0D66EF1EFB5E5873B537266320EC2AFBB4C33C6534942 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1512...8879 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '5.98.38.26 (ssh-rsa key from 5.98.38.26 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (host26-38-static.98-5-b.business.telecomitalia.it. IT)
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/googles-youtube-bans-a-government-media-outlet/ << Qntra - Google's Youtube Bans A Government Media Outlet
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo tecvhnically it's alphabet's
mircea_popescu: and honestly, there;'s absolutely no need for the orc hordes to touch shakespeare.
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck that traci lorde did is exactly right for them.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, piece now more accurately reflects org chart
thestringpuller: !#s data driven development
a111: 0 results for "data driven development", http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=data%20driven%20development
thestringpuller: ^- meh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHc not the best example cause he works on engines like ratchet and clank
trinque: how's that cultural revolution coming along?
mircea_popescu: great leap forward!
mircea_popescu: putin engineered famine!
trinque: kanye just gotta get his retweets from black twitter and #2024
mircea_popescu: whats #2024 ?
trinque: that's when kanye be president
mircea_popescu: haha wut
trinque: after a very serious meeting with Trump he apparently chose to move his very serious run back from 2020.
BingoBoingo: Poor Cliter, she ain't ever beating Kanye.
thestringpuller: Kanye singlehandedly unleashed high frequency trading onto the sneaker world en masse.
thestringpuller trying to resell yeezy's via bots.
mircea_popescu: whart, they gonna keep her in embalming fluid till 2024 ?
trinque: danielpbarron: I've got like five versions of that genbootstrap thing; what are you trying to accomplish ?
trinque: got a musltronic one for example
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: WHy not? Or "life support".
thestringpuller: just like disney sits in cryotube at bottom of disney world castle.
asciilifeform: iirc there exists a musltronic python. so a musltronic gentoo is afaik in principle possible.
asciilifeform: (though imho a fully depythonized one would be more interesting; but it would be sufficiently different animal to deserve a new name)
mircea_popescu: eh python 2.x isn't the end of the world.
mircea_popescu: might bring the same arguments against bash ffs.
asciilifeform: might, and correctly
asciilifeform: both scripting langs are turdalicious, heavy, and ill-defined. i will point out that 8-bit rom basics were seldom >4kB (e.g., 6502, z80 )
asciilifeform: and forths -- smaller yet
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, when I run my gentoo recipe, it's usually musl unless I actually need the glibc turd for something
phf: there's a pure musl gentoo build
trinque: yeah, "hardened" subproject
trinque: asciilifeform: I moved portage over to openbsd (which had been done once before by another) only to decide the thing had gotten far too complicated.
trinque: it's a mountain of hacks under the hood
asciilifeform: always was
asciilifeform: when such a thing appears to work, it is because it is running on human fat
asciilifeform: when the 'coolies' who kept the thing from falling apart under own weight, pack and leave -- it collapses.
phf: even dpkg/apt would be better than portage (note that dpkg and apt lets you build packages from source in a reliable and automatic way, but the setup for the process is not documented anywhere, since it's supposed to be "package maintainer technology")"
asciilifeform: phf: how is a binary turdolade installer comparable with portage?!
mircea_popescu: time for v!
phf: asciilifeform: did you miss the insides of parenthesis?
asciilifeform: phf: possibly
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a vtronic 'gentoo' is trivially possible except that nobody's going to sign GB of crapola.
asciilifeform: nobody sane, at any rate
mircea_popescu: hey, "it's a start".
mircea_popescu: but non-v package manager is insanity.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is actually how i ended up puzzling over 'vectorized sigs' and other, even less promising leads -- proper, honest-to-goodness signature is a 'heavy' instrument
asciilifeform: you would have to be a lunatic to sign, e.g., python, bash.
asciilifeform: (for any purpose other than 'i found on my disk in 2011, i swear')
asciilifeform: because 'idiomatic c'.
asciilifeform: (aka idiotic c)
asciilifeform: because all of it is really a game of underhanded c contest .
mircea_popescu: if someone wants to negrate you because legacy pile was bad, hey, all the better.
mircea_popescu: dun see why you'd want a positive rating from that mind anywya
asciilifeform: there is such a thing as a signature's weight.
mircea_popescu: certainly.
mircea_popescu: so make a "this is my key for signing legacy c bs"
asciilifeform: what ~useful~ thing would such a signature tell to you ?
asciilifeform: should i also sign winblows iso ?
mircea_popescu: "v gentoo would be possioble except for x" "so make x" "no because of co-consideration" " so make x' and disclaim the co-consideration" "what is the point of having x' if you disclaim the co-consideration???"
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
asciilifeform: the point is that the necessary labour to make such a signature carry any weight whatsoever does not exist.
mircea_popescu: never you mind those considerations.
mircea_popescu: who THE FUCK is in a position to contest anything ?
asciilifeform: the first finder of an 0day ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, this foul gentoo with the foul python" "bitch, what do you run ?" "same. but i had expectations from you!"
asciilifeform: incidentally i realized that it is misleading to say 'i run gentoo.' because i probably could not recreate it other than from backups of own machines.
mircea_popescu: so then the "necessary labour" is... already done.
mircea_popescu: what, you want to have a flood and lose it permanently ?
asciilifeform: it was done to standard of 'runs', rather than 'guaranteed correct'
asciilifeform: asciilifeform: 'i have this here minefield' mircea_popescu: 'so clear it' asciilifeform : 'how' mircea_popescu : 'so, just walk on it' asciilifeform : 'i'd like to keep my legs' mircea_popescu : 'so'
mircea_popescu: "i have this here race track. people sometimes die on it. I WILL LOCK IT DOWN FOREVER!!!!" "what are you, some kind of idiot ?"
asciilifeform: incidentally i did think of the 'multiple signing keys' thing, imho it is fairly obvious, but even worse than my vectorizer thing
mircea_popescu: i don't see why.
asciilifeform: if you thought ~that~ was horrid, consider 'now which key is this? asciilifeform 's 'i kinda maybe read this' key ? or his 'this is installed on my reactor' key ? or..'
mircea_popescu: they're nothing alike, seriously now.
asciilifeform: well mircea_popescu suggested a 'this is my key for signing legacy c bs'. how many of these does mircea_popescu personally intend to keep ? of what types ?
asciilifeform: is this to be an agreed-upon thing, or ad hoc.
mircea_popescu: it's both agreed upon and discussed throughout the logs ; whenever v intended usage came up, this came up.
asciilifeform: it's a new and poorly defined layer of moving parts
mircea_popescu: neither new, nor poorly defined. i can do it right now and you'd never know.
asciilifeform: paint an educational picture plox
asciilifeform: ( and in what particular scenario does this work with 'and you never know'... this one's puzzling )
mircea_popescu: i create a key, sign the whatever dump ; for all you know a new eulora player signed a gentoo legacy v root.
mircea_popescu: i say hey, this may be interesting ; or someone else does. the end.
asciilifeform: there is an unpleasant flavour of multiple personality disease, 'tulpa', to this, imho.
asciilifeform: possibly it's the only solution, but i should like to think that it is not, it makes my stomach queasy.
mircea_popescu: comes with the territory.
asciilifeform: 'this proggy thermonuked my entire continent, fuck you' 'oops, you should have learned to read, notice, it was signed by drunk-asciilifeform not by asciilifeform'
mircea_popescu: this conceit that signatures are somehow confusable is very strange indeed.
asciilifeform: signatures, by definition, are the most obvious thing in the world
asciilifeform: but their ~weight~ is not machine-calculable.
asciilifeform: i suppose 'everybody turns into a swarm of deliberately-maintained sybils' is one way to 'vectorize signature'...
mircea_popescu: everyone already ~is~ that.
asciilifeform: i can think of no counter to this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu's algorithm will be used, there is afaik no alternative possible.
mircea_popescu: it's not as bad as it seems - eg fiat's mouthpiece can now put me as #1 most influential thingamabob in "blockchain" discreetely.
mircea_popescu: subversion etc.
phf: we already have a method, which is a list of sha512 signed with a corresponding disclaimer. can do the same for any complicated project, like gentoo "here's the stage3, here's sigs for all the packages that you might possibly install"
phf: oh i guess the idea is to v-ify all those packages..
asciilifeform: phf: thread was about hypothetical 'vtronic gentoo'
asciilifeform: v requires machineable sigs.
mircea_popescu: or more generally - any reclaimed codebase the republic intends to clean up and use.
mircea_popescu: like eulora's codebase for instance.
phf: also requires general solution to binary problem
trinque: if I decide to clean up a bum and put him to work, I am going to have to accept the risk that he burns my damn barn down.
trinque: there isn't a way to insulate from it and still bother with the bum
mircea_popescu: phf how you mean ?
trinque: "how do I get the bootstrap compiler onto the thing" aside other binary blob needs
mircea_popescu: i thought gentoo bootstraps
trinque: gotta start with a running compiler somewhere
trinque: the stage1 tarball is a built gcc and whatever else is needed to rebuild itself entirely, then proceeds with that system to build the rest
asciilifeform: see earlier mega-thread, re how signing a binaryball is a fundamentally un-vtronic act.
phf: mircea_popescu: oh i'm just talking about yesterday's thread. half those packages have binary blobs in them, some easily removable (like images that come with docs, etc.) some not so much (like internationalization PO files)
asciilifeform: the one 'blob' that is not removable is the bootstrap compiler
mircea_popescu: i'd love tyo think v gentoo is blob free
phf: the bootstrap problem is not trivially solvable.
asciilifeform: how does c-os on c-machine work as 'blob free' ?
asciilifeform: i'd like to hear, and so would ken thompson
mircea_popescu: do you mind ? i'm dreamin' over here...
phf: "here's this thing that you have to cross-compile however you can"
phf: alternatively "here's this 40 lines of asm forth implementation, and the rules by which you can translate it to x8664 assembly, we will use it to bootstrap proto-scheme, that will be ..."
mircea_popescu: haha - eternal gentoo flame. "here's thins thing that you have to uci-compile"
trinque: leaving the sinful steps unspecified might be a decent strategy.
asciilifeform: now if the only usable c compiler weren't 100MB of ???????? !
trinque: at least people will not be doing things the same exact way, catch same exact diseases each time.
phf: trinque: ha ha.
mircea_popescu: trinque fat chance of that.
trinque goes to drink
asciilifeform: compiler is ~the~ monoculture
phf: asciilifeform: i think bsd people like to compile their stack with various "i wrote this c compiler in a weekend" projects, like tcc
phf: it will run like dog, but it will run
asciilifeform: there is a linux variant of this very thing, and yes, like a dog
phf: 0.9.26 is 514k tbz2
asciilifeform: i'll point out that trb is ~190k tgz.
asciilifeform: has phf properly absorbed all of it ?
mircea_popescu: thrice cursed running dog.
phf: only for the lack of trying, but even now elsewhere i'd be a regular trb guru :p
asciilifeform: c machine has fundamental, very lethal problems, and i must admit to having come to believe that 'fixing' it is an alluring and ultimately very destructive waste of minds, like perpetuum mobile
mircea_popescu: kinda why we want to limit to code.
asciilifeform: it destroyed 1,001 first-rate people, and will destroy 1,000,001 more. but remains - waste.
asciilifeform: even with ~microscopic~ limit it is an exponential explosion of crapolade and unfixable.
asciilifeform: (even msdos is not fully understood today, and this despite the ~complete~ source leaking in 1998 !)
mircea_popescu: can we set aside a day for the o-woe service and be done with it ?
asciilifeform: it is not 'woe' to point out that sow's ear makes for very poor silk.
mircea_popescu: yes, it is. definitionally, pointing out that sow's ear makes for very poor silk when the decision to use something else is not on the table is called o-woe-ing.
phf: seems like a very traditional thing to do though, sitting around talking about how everything went to shit since the ancestors went away
mircea_popescu: i guess so huh
danielpbarron: trinque, i'm interested in the hardened one, and possibly also "no multilib" ?
asciilifeform: in terms of the pc 'sow', imho a very promising item could be a handmade scheme in asm that fits in l0 cache. the 'nic question' (discussed in earlier thread) could be finessed in some grotesque way, for instance, consider using SLIP !
asciilifeform: this is actually why i bothered to clean up and post the sageprobe thing earlier this year
mircea_popescu: scheme as in, lisp ?
asciilifeform: maybe phf or trinque or whoever, has half of this, and now can more easily come up with other half.
asciilifeform: sageprobe was a needle specifically made for this type of sow.
asciilifeform: almost -- sewing machine.
asciilifeform: (on an uncrippled box, you can debug starting from 'reset vector' - i.e. from 0th instruction on powerup)
mircea_popescu: if something like this could be made to spit out html via port 80 i'd almost consider moving trilema.
asciilifeform: not only could it, but there's been a d00d serving up his www on a pic16f84, via slip, since 1990s...
asciilifeform: (now ~throughput~ is different question...)
mircea_popescu: not even c is faster than asm
asciilifeform: ~every crackpot eventually writes his asm x86 os.
asciilifeform: to make it do useful work, is somewhat other problem.
trinque: as with fuckgoats -> cardano, sell every useful increment towards goal
trinque: dedicated gossipd hardware would be useful, even kbps slow
asciilifeform: trinque: were you able to get your probe into battlefield condition, and used ? anything missing ?
asciilifeform: because iirc i posted ~everything that is truly needed (other than a couple of undocumented commands, will deal with those some time later in january when 2nd crate is out)
ben_vulpes: worked spiffily for me.
trinque: works just fine, have yet to write something interesting.
trinque: it'll take me some time to have asm skills worth the mention
asciilifeform: trinque: there is one gnarly moment with those -- mode switches
asciilifeform: early firmware versions barfed routinely when cpu switched modes, the last one - more rarely, but still did, it is also exacerbated by the braindamage of gdb
asciilifeform: but otherwise works ok. beware of cache (can lead to incoherency between the instructions executed and what probe sees)
asciilifeform: (for n00bz/log readers -- x86, unlike any chip made by sane people, operates in no fewer than 3 selectable 'bitnesses', each having registers, instructions and entire address modes not present in the other 2)
asciilifeform: (and if you count, e.g., 'unreal mode' -- aka 'flat mode' -- 4! if counting smm: 5!!!!)
asciilifeform: speaking of this horror, whatever the hell happened to that finn
asciilifeform: !#seen kmalkki
a111: 2016-10-15 <kmalkki> apu1 also really needs DBREQn asserted to give access to USEHDT IR/DR pair
asciilifeform: ^ the d00d's work was 100% genuine, all of his leads checked out
mircea_popescu: what became of him ?
asciilifeform: i ensymbolified my sage disasms in ida using his symbol table, 100% eaten.
asciilifeform: i have nfi , vanished off the earth afaik.
asciilifeform: perhaps he got bored when he saw that phuctor didn't pop the amd keys...
asciilifeform: ( it was from his tip that i found where they lived, and how to parse'em out )
thestringpuller: shinohai: Vitalik Buterin looks to be panicking about ETH price freefall. He's goin on about how "Internet of Money shouldn't cost 5 cents per transaction" on some stupid vine clone this morning
thestringpuller: it's interesting to see the crusty remains as the waterfall continues to dry out
mircea_popescu: 2nd most derpopulous of the blockvines eh ?
phf: "airgapped has joined irc channel" i might've just found your opsec issue right there..
shinohai: `Yahoo discloses hack that may affect "more than one billion user accounts", "likely distinct" from hack disclosed on Sept 22, 2016`
mircea_popescu: technologee company!
shinohai: "A Yahoo rep disconnected the call when asked if their user database was powered by Ethereum"
mircea_popescu: so in random sadness : back when i was a kid, resolution of everything was 1024x768. today as i am no longer a kid, thanks to progress etc, resolution of things is 1366x768, which is OMG SO MUCH BIGGER.
mircea_popescu: notice, of course, that a) it is the same exact height and therefore b) it is idiotically arrogant enough to imagine being so much bigger it can afford things such as... mandatory windows title bars.
mircea_popescu: and so my full screen wine games from 1999 do not fit in my full screen monitors from 2016.
mircea_popescu: (i have meanwhile fixed this, the gutting of ubuntu to make it behave like a silent and self effacing wife rather than a loud and demaning mistress takes a while)
mircea_popescu: meanwhile there's all these "technologee companees" hard at work to come up with random shit one couldn't ever have imaged he'd have to fix IN THE FUTURE.
mircea_popescu: "what do you expect from the future ?" "more shit to fix."
asciilifeform: this is why folx buy 4:3 displays for their dos rooms
mircea_popescu: what'd that have fixed ?
mircea_popescu: 768 apparently has been decided by hitler as THE TALLEST PERMISSIBLE NUMBER OF PIXELS.
asciilifeform: i dun have any screens like this
asciilifeform: a reasonably 4:3 is 1600x1200
asciilifeform: even my 21in tubes.
mircea_popescu: how much did you pay for it ?
asciilifeform: (for the eizo), tube was moar
asciilifeform: and no, they aren't made
mircea_popescu: i live in argentina, coupla hundred buys me this lg crap.
asciilifeform: ahaha yeah if you want a ~freshly made~ one, it'll cost you a fleet of migs. to build the factory again.
mircea_popescu: so what are we talkin aboot.
mircea_popescu: yes, if i made it it wouldn't suck. i tell this to people all the time too, "had i fucked your mother instead of that dumbass she lays with, you wouldn't be this fucking useless. go tell ehr that."
mircea_popescu: anyway, to not make this entirely pointless : gtk-window-decorator --replace kills the stupid decorations ; gconf-editor allows you to set the bottom (and top) bar position to -6 which gets rid of it.
mircea_popescu: what a gfx box that wasn't made by monkeys for monkeys would look like apparently remains an open question, ubuntu's not much better than period debian from what i see.
asciilifeform: fwiw ratpoison has 0 window decorations, regardless of how configured.
BingoBoingo: !~bcstats
mircea_popescu: yeah, prolly would figure in a tmsr out-of-the-box os
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Current Blocks: 443507 | Current Difficulty: 2.867657668205504E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: None | Next Difficulty In: None blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 hour, 56 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
jhvh1: shinohai: The operation succeeded.
phf: asciilifeform: not true ratpoison can be configured to render a 1 pixel border!!1
asciilifeform: phf: news to me...
asciilifeform: but i'll believe.
mircea_popescu: lol legqacy
mircea_popescu: (gdm MUST HAVE 1px)
phf: i actually missed the title bars from ion window manager (http://www.gilesorr.com/papers/otherwm2003/images/ion.manpage.png) because xterm title escape codes is one of the easiest ways to pack a lot of meta information from pretty much any cli app
mircea_popescu: they're jus wasted space in gdm
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/yahoo-leaks-again-up-to-1-billion-affected/ << Qntra - Yahoo Leaks Again, Up To 1 Billion Affected!
phf: maybe yahoo leak is just a ploy to tell everyone how many "users" they have.
asciilifeform: 'it leaks , ergo it must be still relevant!111'
shinohai: Verizon paid the Russians to do it so they could buy in lower.
phf: putin did it (c) (tm)
trinque: those title escape codes have a lot to do with why I use exwm. c-x b (helm-buffers) then a few keystrokes and I can move through a lot of terminals quickly.
shinohai: Roger Ver: "But a bunch of bitcoin supporters don't like centralized web wallets? That's crazy talk." http://archive.is/GHUXj
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at republican camp, my god these slave-made linzer cookies are fucking fabulous.
mircea_popescu: anyone even use webwallets anymore ?!
shinohai: Not anyone in their right mind, or maybe they need TradeFortress to reappear and inculcate that lesson again.
mircea_popescu: the notion that anyone ~even wants~ yahoo...
mircea_popescu: whole shebang's like one of those scottish "castles", worth maybe 50k for the stone and negative however millions for its unfunded obligations
mircea_popescu: in yahoo's case, all the shitheads running around thinking them,selves experts and entitled to salaries
mircea_popescu: starting with the ceo.
shinohai finds it interesting that *all these hacks* have occurred under Marissa Mayer at helm.
mircea_popescu: marissa mayer 2020!
shinohai: "She won't break the glass ceiling. she'll just leave the building unlocked!"
mircea_popescu: prostitution is when you get paid. melissa meyer is when you do it for free.
phf: before tumblr mayogendered there was a tumblr weird internet culture, thatused to post porn, internet explorer running on windows 98 screenshots, weird 3d renderings, porn, lisp screenshots, etc. basically the whole scene got destroyed by mayer with the whole "all porn is now marked as nsfw and force removed from all the search results". the weirdest, shoot-self-in-foot
phf: move
mircea_popescu: o btw, check out the cognates : (more, less) > (mayor, lawyer)
mircea_popescu: tumblr porn still alive and well
mircea_popescu: but yes, you correctly identify a hidden reference in my linkage
phf: yeah, but as a "porn only" niche, tumblrs that would occasionally post porn mixed with random other found junk all disappeared
mircea_popescu: also a very stupid "age" bs.
mircea_popescu: as if teens don't wanna watch it go in
asciilifeform: was it mayer who sent megatonne of gratis hardware to ftmead out of 'patriotism' ? or was it the other Great Female CEO
asciilifeform: nm it was fiorina , apparently
asciilifeform: i have these 2 symlinked inside my head for some reason
mircea_popescu: they're not that distinct
mircea_popescu: sorta obama, but in "woman" rather than "black" theme.
asciilifeform: re much earlier thread:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was apparently wrong, eizo S2133-BK is still made & sold
asciilifeform: about 1k usd new in box.
asciilifeform: honest 4:3 thing, ips, 1600x1200, the worx.
mircea_popescu: im not gonna import it to this shithole.
mircea_popescu: buenos aires ~= foxhole in vietnam.
asciilifeform: have it put in the next case of strega or what was it.
mircea_popescu: i do not wish for it to exist here.
asciilifeform: that dire, huh
mircea_popescu: let the orcs pochoclo.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have never hated a people, or anything, even vaguely in the same ballpark as i hate these mutant retardoids.
mircea_popescu: if i could glass it right now, i'd glass it right now,
asciilifeform: maybe revisit usa ! you'll be cured in three minutes.
mircea_popescu: i don't think you grok the basics. which is understandable - nobody does.
phf: asciilifeform: is it matte?
asciilifeform: which basics. i import eizo here too, they aren't born in usa
asciilifeform: phf: of course
mircea_popescu: let me indulge your sweet ignorance. the sidewalks here are paved, which is stupid but whatever. ALL curbs contain bumped tiles all around. it drives women nuts because anti-heels landimine.
mircea_popescu: for a long time we thought they were idiots in the sense, "it's for securidad - anti ice". except it never ices.
mircea_popescu: today, two years later, we finally figured what they're REALLY for :
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i must report, these are being installed here ! just recently made mandatory.
mircea_popescu: the locals are such utter imbeciles, without those things they'd walk right into traffic. THEY DO NOT KNOW road is a thing.
mircea_popescu: you know those bumpers on speedway for sleepy truck drivers ? that. except for mouthbreathing bipedals.
mircea_popescu: and this isn't the end of it, or the peak of it. this is just a random example out of an endless pile.
mircea_popescu: it was recently established that the best mental model for "wtf they're doing" is : if they've not seen/heard of a thing in the past two days, THEY UTTERLY FORGOT IT EXISTS.
mircea_popescu: perfectly fits the universal pattern of missed deliveries/meetings/etc.
asciilifeform: egypt was different?
mircea_popescu: i firmly believe that most of the employment turnover here is, long weekend, after which people literally forget they worked there.
mircea_popescu: very different.
mircea_popescu: egypt had an intensity of making a living you've not seen since jewish ghettos.
asciilifeform can picture this
asciilifeform: 2 or 3 missed printolade boats and argentina could , in theory, convert to egypt
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
asciilifeform: ( iirc this nearly happened in early 2000s..?)
mircea_popescu: argentina appears a manufactured africa. not dumb by evaporation, but dumb from selective fractionation. apparently all the idiots came here. worst of italians, which is already pretty well selected for fail etc
mircea_popescu: basically argentina the country is the statal equivalent of the us profession of lawyer.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-14#1583359 << hilarious idiot parade, btw, i nearly missed this
a111: Logged on 2016-12-14 23:49 shinohai: Roger Ver: "But a bunch of bitcoin supporters don't like centralized web wallets? That's crazy talk." http://archive.is/GHUXj
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6EE7B13E060CF82A9C48A50B4BDD8AFC0ADB8FADCC588CE01978A65768FD58B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 2163...9329 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.129.51.96 (ssh-rsa key from 95.129.51.96 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
mircea_popescu: anyone making bets on phuctored count end of 2017 ?
mod6: as far as broken moduli? or dups?
mod6: I'll say 1431 b0rk3d moduli.
mod6: lol, that's probably gonna be way low, but i'll stick with it.
mircea_popescu: im thinking like > 10k
mod6: yeah, certainly could be. i guess i wasn't initially thinking about the SSH keys.
mircea_popescu: of course nopt much of a bet, someojne could just make 1mn bad mods and pump them in.
mod6: ah, ya.
asciilifeform: ^ this is doomed to eventually happen
mircea_popescu: yes. marissa meyer figuring out math, also.
asciilifeform: at which point intake hopper will immediately go to wot-only
asciilifeform: (not so many 'wild' submissions this year, the only notable 'pop' that comes to mind that was 'from wild', was the german thing)
mod6: ah ya
mircea_popescu: o noes! but how could this be! open source is a viable model! with a billion fly eyes, all weak mods are shallow! clinton 2016!
mircea_popescu: i'm getting into a very "code sharing good ; open source bad" mood over here.
mircea_popescu: code sharing is not open source, bitchez!
mircea_popescu: "code should be made available for review to any user ~of the appropriate fame level~"!
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2016/12/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-8-16-yellen-announces-higher-interest-rate-target-hours-before-increase/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~8.16%, Yellen Announces Higher Interest Rate Target Hours Before Increase
mircea_popescu: lol so what, increase moved ? :D
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess pete_dushenski wins that interest rate bet ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Bitcoin Difficulty up, yellen tries to premept?
mircea_popescu: poor lockheed.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i haven't won quite yet. i let ben_vulpes change the time window to only include trump's exact and official term, not the transition period, so jan 20 and four years onwards.
mircea_popescu: lol watch that they set it at 8.75 on jan 19th and then spend a decade shashing monotonously to 4.25
mircea_popescu: JUST TO FUCK WITH YOUR MIND
pete_dushenski: lmao just to make ben_vulpes even richer old joo
mircea_popescu: oic, HE's the joo
pete_dushenski: well, not the only one ofc. you're also one, stan idem. then there's adlai and i dunno who else we can annoint with the honourary distinction.
mircea_popescu: wait me ?! i'm not even named benjamin!
pete_dushenski: except for the whole "jews are niggars are enemies" angle, which i haven't quite resolved for myself yet
pete_dushenski: !~google site:trilema.com i'm obviously a jew
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: No matches found.
pete_dushenski: baloney!
mircea_popescu: ah those are the journajews.
mircea_popescu: terrrribly sorry to tell you sir we here at mp house got all cock parts. striiictly full penis.
mats: i wish i was born into a jewish family
mircea_popescu: in china or in general ?
mats: being a chinese jew would be useful i bet
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: where does this tiny jewdick meme originate ? i can't say it, um, measures up with anectodal experience.
pete_dushenski: mats: my younger brother had the priviledge of betting a chijew on trip to eretz israel. they exist.
mats: how many dongs were involved in your survey, pete_dushenski
mats: for science
mircea_popescu: the pact of the covenant or some shit ? you know, where they cut bits off babies.
pete_dushenski: mats: lol. at full attention : 1 in-the-flesh. which is really the only way to tell anything. seen tons in whatever camp shower but doesn't tell you much.
pete_dushenski: !~google chinese jews
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: Kaifeng Jews - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews>; Kaifeng Jews - Wikipedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaifeng_Jews>; Chinese Jews of Ancient Lineage Huddle Under Pressure - The ...: <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/world/asia/china-kaifeng-jews.html>
pete_dushenski: arite. kaifeng.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ok but haircuts don't make you shorter. even going bald doesn't shrink a man, though a correlation obv exists with advanced age.
phf: i read somewhere that at some point china top sellers were books like "how to raise a child like a jew" etc.
mircea_popescu: when i was a kid my hair was like 5% of my height and i got pix to prove it!
pete_dushenski: lol. being chinese is so fucking opposite of being a jew i don't even know where to start. number 1 selling book in nigeria might as well be "how to raise child like a norwegian"
pete_dushenski: and i hope it is!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i also have a solid 2" added to height atm. 'manbun'.
pete_dushenski: so musk named to trump advisory panel. too soon to declare tod on tesla perhaps. or trump has short squeeze on full blast.
mircea_popescu: he does a lot of this "name everyone, use half". republican dork on capitol hill also named, s.b.'s aide.\
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ah those are the journajews. << Like mouse can mean "quiet girl with glasses" or actual vermin
BingoBoingo: Anal-ology!
phf: "And when they discover he is Jewish? “The Chinese think we are the smartest people in the world, after the Chinese,” he said. “They say, ‘Very clever, very good at business.’ It’s an honor to be Jewish in China. They say they would like to imitate the Jews.” Among the best-selling books in China this year were “The Jewish People’s Bible for Business and Managing the World” and “The Jewish Way of Raising Children.”"
mod6: they're saying -24 deg. F/-31 deg. C here on Saturday :/
mod6: too cold to shoot birds even!
BingoBoingo: OMG, almost at the -40 convergence point mod6
mircea_popescu: heh it's 20 here.
pete_dushenski: mod6: careful not to freeze your foreskin off :P
mod6: haha
BingoBoingo: Polar penis is a real condishun
mircea_popescu: i think that counts as a freejew
phf: a jewbie
pete_dushenski: sounds organic, that'll cost extra
mod6: when it gets that cold for a number of days or whatever, getting back up to 0 feels nice!
mod6: fuckin crazy
pete_dushenski: mod6: and if you don't plug your cars in or park in a (preferably heated) garage, it's uber-ville for you.
pete_dushenski was rather annoyed that his fleet wouldn't start during recent cold snap. fists were shaken.
mod6: yeah, it usually helps to plug 'em in, especially if it gets down below -25 deg. F.
mircea_popescu: wtf bs engines are these ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/even-in-israel-more-and-more-parents-choose-not-to-circumcise-their-sons-1.436421 << somewhere around 2% of little jewboys aren't letting the mohel suck 'em off at day 8.
mod6: anyone with antifreeze
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it's usually the battery, not the engine.
pete_dushenski: cells... freeze.
mircea_popescu: hm. i dunno man, cold start in -20 ambient was a solved problem in the 90s.
mircea_popescu: mah old mercs never had the issue. of course... diesel. but certainly only shitty chino batteries froze.
mod6: so, the batteries don't do that great in the cold. but the real problem is the antifreeze. plugging in the blockwarmer runs current through the antifreeze so it won't freeze.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: -20 is no prob. it's -30 or -40 with windchill that's the issue, even with old merc.
mircea_popescu: that yes.
mircea_popescu recalls a bunch of impromptu gasoline fires.
mircea_popescu: "wtf are you doing" "warming the engine"
mod6: when my old man was a kid, out on the farm he would put hot coals from a fire under the oil pan in like a '40 pickup to get the oil viscous enough to crank it over when it was cold like that.
mod6: or so I was told.
mircea_popescu: i believe it.
pete_dushenski: thankfully there is a splendid and ultra-cheap service called 'ama' here and they'll boost even the most frozen cars with what must be 1000amps, up to 5x per year for $80
mod6: cool
mod6: i hope they flood the rinks this week.
pete_dushenski: ya, never needed it till this winter when i lost my beloved u/g heated parking. still adapting.
pete_dushenski: mod6: that, yes!
pete_dushenski: got new skates to try this season
mod6: nice. i need a new stick, then I'm ready.
mod6: if you try to flood the rink when it's -25 like that, the ice will turn out too brittle and get this weird horizontal fracturing... coming off in like sheets.
mod6: but if they do it like now at 0, then give it a chance to go into the deep cold, you'll end up with reall excellent hard ice.
mod6: fast ice.
mod6: *really
mircea_popescu: yeah gotta flood it at like 1
mod6: yeah, i hope they're out there tonight.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-15 02:59 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/even-in-israel-more-and-more-parents-choose-not-to-circumcise-their-sons-1.436421 << somewhere around 2% of little jewboys aren't letting the mohel suck 'em off at day 8.
mod6: i always wanted to moonlight as a zamboni driver
mod6: lol
pete_dushenski: !~google best ice in nhl
jhvh1: pete_dushenski: Ice palaces: NHL arenas ranked - Chicago Tribune: <http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/hockey/blackhawks/chi-nhl-arenas-ranked-photogallery.html>; NHL Players Poll: Which team has the worst home ice ? - Yahoo Sports: <http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/nhl-players-poll--which-team-has-the-worst-home-ice-174332400.html>; Best /worst ice in the NHL - HFBoards: (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: pretty sure edm is usually up there.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: 0 'religion' other than 'stalin is god' too.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: plenty of religions.
mod6: pete_dushenski: yeah, i can imagine that florida has horrible ice.
mircea_popescu skated in georgia. wasn't too bad.
mod6: im sure it has probably a lot more to do with how they operate the refrigeration system than anything
pete_dushenski: mod6: ambient humidity too
mod6: air temp in the arena matters too.
mod6: yeah
mircea_popescu: georgia is humin.
mod6: and if you're not willing to spend the cash on the air cooling, that can make problems.
phf has a reasonable open rink a block away
asciilifeform: ( in the religion pete_dushenski was thinking of, stalin played role of 'devil' rather than god, since '53 at any rate )
phf: not sure what they do to it, but pretty sure they can run it in summer
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: it was a time of 'progress'. old traditions had to be downgraded. ex nihilo 'traditions' upgraded.
pete_dushenski: phf: we have year-round ice rink... in shopping mall.
asciilifeform: for whatever reason, mutilating children was not in fashion there, then, fwiw.
pete_dushenski: probably an experiment in seeing if socialists could still be manufaktured without choppychop.
pete_dushenski: who says socialists never try new things ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: are you talking georgia us or caucasus ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform skopiti!
pete_dushenski to whack shuttlecock
mod6: The Atlanta Flames moved to Calgary in like 1980...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has first-class time machine, does he know.
mod6: they've had hockey down there for quite a while
mod6: !~tlsb
jhvh1: mod6: Error: "tlsb" is not a valid command.
mod6: !~tslb
jhvh1: mod6: Time since last block: 33 minutes and 59 seconds
mod6: tomorrow is supposed to be 83 in BA.
mod6: that sounds so nice
mircea_popescu: weather here is nb.
mod6: nice day for a walk down past the canal to the park.
mircea_popescu: yeah i think ima go for a nightwalk later.
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6EE7B13E060CF82A9C48A50B4BDD8AFC0ADB8FADCC588CE01978A65768FD58B4 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1361...5333 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '95.129.51.96 (ssh-rsa key from 95.129.51.96 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown DE)
phf: mircea_popescu: "take everything out of Might and Personality/Intelligence respectively, pump up Personality/Intelligence respectively and Speed" is that what it's supposed to say?
mircea_popescu: yea actually.
mircea_popescu: cleric needs personality doesn't need int and sorc vice-versa. so that respectively works magic.
mircea_popescu: fine example of how to fuck a parser, this.
phf: aaah
mircea_popescu: respectively = natural language DWIM keyword.
phf: mircea_popescu: did you have to install any of the original windows blob dlls to make graphics not-screwy?
phf: hmm, poop
mircea_popescu: use wine 1.9 series though. are you using it via play on linux scriptage ?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-15#1583452 << what let, you drafted it incorrectly and i fixed it
a111: Logged on 2016-12-15 02:29 pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i haven't won quite yet. i let ben_vulpes change the time window to only include trump's exact and official term, not the transition period, so jan 20 and four years onwards.
phf: nope, on mac, which might be my undoing
mircea_popescu: oh i have nfi about mac emulatrons.
phf: yeah, i was trying to use straight wine, but there's apparently "play on mac"
mircea_popescu: ah. well make sure your wine's over 1.6 or so, pre that their vc emulation is ~shit.
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