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deedbot: [Qntra] First US Cop Faces Terrorism Charges, Crime: Buying Gift Cards - http://qntra.net/2016/08/first-us-cop-faces-terrorism-charges-crime-buying-gift-cards/
deedbot: [Qntra] Woman's Facebook Account Suspended During Fatal Standoff - http://qntra.net/2016/08/womans-facebook-account-suspended-during-fatal-standoff/
ben_vulpes: i'll probably be cursed with the opposite.
ben_vulpes: either that or a totally staid gay lawyer
mircea_popescu: eh, i wouldn't be too worried. by now most of "the crowd" is made out of washed outs who thought at some point they were somebody.
mircea_popescu: craig wright will fit right in.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 3780.76, vol: 232369.92330000 | Volume-weighted last average: 3780.76
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 04:00 deedbot: [Qntra] First US Cop Faces Terrorism Charges, Crime: Buying Gift Cards - http://qntra.net/2016/08/first-us-cop-faces-terrorism-charges-crime-buying-gift-cards/
BingoBoingo: Just remember to save the gay whales in Darfur-finex
mircea_popescu: actually i'm doing a large-ish project whereby various bullshit "countries" leak their civil records (ie, names, ssi, taxids, address etc) of their whole population ; which then gets searched in fb db.
mircea_popescu: guess what ? less than 10% of people alive actually have a fb.
mircea_popescu: actually. less than 10% of people alive EVER HAD a fb. less than 10% of THOSE touched it in the past year.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why did you burn out udev?
mircea_popescu: i wonder if any of the derpy investors ever did any sort of dd whatsoever.
BingoBoingo: At a time it had users, could do recon by scoping out a persons facebook page. Now... none of the kids have them anymore.
mircea_popescu: "could recon", for as long as you stayed within certain demos
mircea_popescu: which are demographically irrelevant.
BingoBoingo: Well back when still did, needs were modest.
phf: oh ffs larse magne nuked gmane after all
mircea_popescu: did i miss some drama ?
phf: not really drama as such, oldfag bailed, took his project down with him, project being gmane an old repository of mailing lists (and an ntp<->mailing list proxy) https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/
mircea_popescu: cloudflare mkay
mircea_popescu: why so inept ?
BingoBoingo: Just because
mircea_popescu: o sorry, guy almost threw up. alrighty then.
mircea_popescu: oh, and none of his software is usable. and hurr.
phf: ben_vulpes: i was going to link relevant mail message, but udev has been merged into systemd a while ago. gentoo has a fork, called eudev. udev also prompted one of the linus' famous rants, https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/3/484
phf: yeah, somehow killing internet infrastructure doesn't make him throw up
mircea_popescu: the lost generation keeps on delivering.
mircea_popescu: phf im mostly ignorant of the stuff (heck, i think i read gmane... once. in like 1996. it didn't deliver.) but what exact idiocy is kay sievers invested in not reverting at whatever cost, including his anal virginity ?
mircea_popescu: ahahaha ok this is epic
mircea_popescu: "I need your assistance if you can. I accidentally sent a message to the [redacted] email list last night with a live password in it. The password is hardcoded in to dozens of machines, so changing it would be… inconvenient, to say the least. I don’t yet see the message on your archive page, so I can’t provide the URL link, but I wanted to see if you could remove the message before it is processed and posted."
mircea_popescu: check out the part the muppet wants fixed.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] “At least the US government is not overtly confiscating the assets of the general population at this very moment.” - http://www.contravex.com/2016/08/03/at-least-the-us-government-is-not-overtly-confiscating-the-assets-of-the-general-population-at-this-very-moment/
phf: oh, and he's giving up domain to anyone willing to "set up a new web based service" "all previous permalink.gmane.org (etc.) links continue to work as before, but they’ll look new and spiffy in your new and spiffy web interface" bunch of anons in the comments going "yeah, i'm kind of sort of interested plx send money to this btc address^W^W^W^W^Wdomain"
mircea_popescu: but he has no wot so no way of enforcing this
mircea_popescu: and, much like the retard with the "live password", no fucking idea what he's doing wrong.
phf: explains how we got here, for every linus-- 100 larses
phf: i have his blog on rotation, and about 2 years ago he stopped posting anything interesting. it's all 1) screenshots from movies he watches 2) photos of comic books he reads
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, anyone saw travolta's outrageous incarnation of a bill clinton idealized above and beyond anything brejnev ever got ?
mircea_popescu: came out right about the time of the impeachment, too.
phf: i don't know the details of ken sievers, some lesser part of systemd's master wrecking plan, involving firmware devices. probably behavior is somehow mandatory in NSA injection sequence. or else guy is just another righteous prick
mircea_popescu: yeah kinda what i was vaguely and amateurishly curious about.
phf: i'll reread it tomorrow with an eye for malice, unless someone else (looks in direction of asciilifeform) does it first. it does look curious
mircea_popescu: could be a pretty decent qntra :D
phf: thing is gmane is not really for reading, it's a permanent archive of a handful useful technical emails, sort of what google was supposed to be for usenet, before they pulled the plug
BingoBoingo: pls phf qntra
mircea_popescu: explain to me how this thing can be useful as kept by unrelated randos.
mircea_popescu: deedbot, i can see. logs, i can see. what exactly goes into this archive ? why do you trust anything in it ?
mircea_popescu: the age of "we're all intellectuals here and therefore gentlemen" is long gone.
mircea_popescu: no child left behind left no gentlemen behind it.
mircea_popescu: he fucking admits deleting emails. what archive is this ?
phf: intertia? :> sort of eton boys for queen and country long after the empire died
phf: i think half the conversations here are about coming in terms with how royally "the age" was lost
mircea_popescu: honestly, the age never existed. i've seen such ages, up close and personal. but the composition of this particular version was exceedingly weak. not even teracotta soldiers, more like pillsbury doughmen.
mircea_popescu: excited like little children at paper fortunes, puffing and huffing on their stick horses without an inkling of understanding of how horses work, let alone to what fucking purpose they'd like to run them. and without the clue to even begin not knowing the difference, but noticing something's amiss.
mircea_popescu: "we just want the world to be a better place somehow vaguely and ''technologically'' which is just doublespoken easily, and to be nice to each other".
mircea_popescu: they're hardly qualified to be women, these men.
a111: Logged on 2016-07-20 15:44 asciilifeform: why not 'die in a fire, scum'
mircea_popescu: quite that idea.
mircea_popescu: except, 2016 ? really ?
mircea_popescu: what happened to tearing the entire us com apart in 1992 ?
mircea_popescu: "there's no further need for a usg computing arm. here's the entire archive of everything. we're moving on."
mircea_popescu: snowden in 2012 ? twenty years late, a single guy ?
ben_vulpes: phf: thank you for the insight.
mircea_popescu: woefully behind the times, these men of "wake me up when"
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: thank you for the killfile.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... pillsbury doughmen. >> Can be cured https://i.sli.mg/a6O2Jw.jpg
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo he should go on a tandem bike with those tandem pants...
phf bbl
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: With tandem gurlz!!!!
mircea_popescu: ideally, cojoined twins.
mircea_popescu: fucking retards, huddling around "universities" long gutted, hoping to catch a dribblet of dole off some business major's penis.
ben_vulpes: dude the business majors are even more pathetic.
ben_vulpes: now, the business major /chicas/ not so at all.
ben_vulpes: but the male-gendered bowel movements don't have a scrap of dole to redistribute.
mircea_popescu: this strengthens my point.
ben_vulpes: semi-relatedly, i found the wine insulator.
ben_vulpes: i believe that one of the cleaning girls put it in the dishwasher.
ben_vulpes: heh and further lolz of the wine insulator, i once asked one of the staff to bring a bottle up in it
mircea_popescu: crazy american, has more cleannign girls than mating girls on the premises. as a result... wine suffers.
ben_vulpes: he arrived on the deck with the bottle /in/ the insulator, surrounded by ice and /in water/
ben_vulpes: this a bottle that'd been sitting in the fridge all week.
mircea_popescu: was it also red ?
ben_vulpes: "dude, it's not a cooler. the wine was already cold. it's an /insulator/."
ben_vulpes: no although i did have to lay about with the cane one time when someone brought me a bottle of refrigerated red.
mircea_popescu: girlies here keep asking me if i want ice in it.
ben_vulpes: no es un pais de pobre rose
mircea_popescu: ALL THEY HAVE is fucking reds.
ben_vulpes shrugs
mircea_popescu: anyway, i usually ask them in turn how long they've been working, they say something with months in it, i ask them how they like it, they say not very much...
ben_vulpes: i briefly looked into buying a giant waterproof sack and sticking it into a TEU for int'l wine shipping.
mircea_popescu: why be good at somethiung when you could just be argentine.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ' first step to oil shipping.
ben_vulpes: yeesh have you seen the rates though?
ben_vulpes: like 18k/day i think?
ben_vulpes: down from 100k a year ago?
ben_vulpes: "TANKERS! GETCHER TANKERS!"
mircea_popescu: well, frenzy time dun last.
mircea_popescu: heck, alf should buy one, now's the time.
ben_vulpes: shipglut ain't going anywhere though.
mircea_popescu: no fucking way he gets a cheaper seaworthy platform.
ben_vulpes: there are some good deals on the market!
mircea_popescu: small tanker, best possibru vessel.
ben_vulpes: but iono, nato, rockets, enforcement, he'll come up with a reason why it'd never work.
ben_vulpes: "doesn't go underwater" probly
mircea_popescu: the reason is obvious, they start at more millions than he has. not more millions than he;d have had the cardano shipped on schedule and we all make it rich off the exploding share price, but neways.
ben_vulpes: fuck dude go park it off a shipping lane and get weekly oil deliveries if you really burn that much
ben_vulpes: yeah well have to build a cpu first or something
ben_vulpes not privy to the uncensored reports
mircea_popescu: hey, we're not even 40 yet.
ben_vulpes: heh, all that means is you're 43 and not willing to come to terms with it yet
ben_vulpes: me i'm not even thirty yet!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> small tanker, best possibru vessel. << Can even build properly plumbed ark inside!!!
mircea_popescu: speaking of which : there's 10x more women aged 27-29 on facebook than there's women aged 30-35.
mircea_popescu: apparently there's a silent epidemy killing tens of millions of women in their prime and nobody knew anything about it.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo an ark large enough to build a house in it! with a pool!
ben_vulpes: anyways, unrelatedly, the new box stands on its own two feet. now to close the colo deal, rack and migrate.
BingoBoingo: No, it coincides with facebook being/not being a college student thing when those demographics passed
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: whut? 30-35 is prime wimminzing?
mircea_popescu: we're discussing the medical angle, not the sexual.
ben_vulpes: prime bearing years?
ben_vulpes: i thought that was 16-24
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: 30-35 is when the women should be independent and wealthy after having finished basking in the glory of mircea_popescu and learning
mircea_popescu: "old enough to have scarlatine immunity ; young enough to not crack a hip if she drops to the floor"
BingoBoingo: Old enough to have had baby, young enough to not have to look forward to eventual grandbabies
mircea_popescu: i dunno about this babying. oodletons of flesh in various states of decay already produced.
BingoBoingo: Eh, can't recycle them all for stem cells
mircea_popescu: tru, tru.
BingoBoingo: Now that he won the GOP nomination for Missouri governor the ads heat up. Trump is totes going to get primaried in 2020 http://qz.com/749606/the-new-gop-nominee-for-missouri-governor-wants-you-to-vote-for-him-because-he-can-shoot-a-massive-gun-into-nothingness/
BingoBoingo: 20 seconds of firing a rotary canon is the entire ad
mircea_popescu: things are going to shit north of the rio.
ben_vulpes: not so bad west of the cascades though.
BingoBoingo: Democrat turned Republican Trump killed the GOP, Only Democrat turned Republican Greitens can save it
BingoBoingo: The math is simple Action Movie > Reality TV
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 566.57, vol: 13277.78043571 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 572.555, vol: 10498.95112 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 568.464512, vol: 231705.89610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 577.4, vol: 3187.60091924 | Volume-weighted last average: 568.643402664
mircea_popescu: oh dude. julia roberts crying on teh set of whatever shitty featurette she's shooting now, because whatever ugly goon ditched her sorry ass ? YES!
BingoBoingo: She sould thank her lucky stars she is too old for http://epmonthly.com/article/the-elephant-test/
mircea_popescu: i could never fucking stand the twerp.
BingoBoingo: 1.5 Liters!
mircea_popescu: hopefully she gets the mj habit.
mircea_popescu: dude what the fuck is that three galon clot
ben_vulpes: "Some of it..."
ben_vulpes: you /are/ getting old!
BingoBoingo: Explains the facebook drop!
jurov: BingoBoingo: qntra distributed
thestringpuller: shinohai: Steem is slowly drying up. Volume and depth evaporated from bittrex, and they've openly admitted now it's designed like a ponzi to bring more people to the scene. But what I imagine actually happens, is a bunch of smart people write bots to go to war with each other. the spam bots and counter spam bots. The spam bots pretty much will just extract revenue from spam like anything else, but in this context it actually works, si
shinohai: the new lulz is the sudden coinbase decision to launch etc
thestringpuller: So basically Steemit's fate is being turned into a straight up spam machine since it has no soultion in place for the eternal september except "premined votes from ned and dan" and btc bagholders who bought extremely early and can't yet exit. This is the doom I believe Bitcoin would have faced if Roger, Gavin, Hearia, or whatever incarnation of USG programmed hedonist-bot had hijacked the entire system and allowed spam to be cheap. Th
thestringpuller: The thing that would intrigue me is an updated chart using MP's method from the "lets chronicle the scammer drama" and had a chart for the total loss of the economy due to scams over 2012 charted by month
shinohai: derp shares may rise again on mpex yet
PeterL: mpex.co not responding, what is the correct tld?
shinohai: mpex.site?
shinohai: working for me
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514253 << it was eaten by systemd. there is a (last i saw, working) clean fork, 'eudev'. and it looks like phf explains further down in the l0gz.
asciilifeform: OH FOR FUCKS SAKE
asciilifeform: phf: log down.
asciilifeform: does he run it on winblowz 95 or wat.
asciilifeform: and what is so fucking hard about making the thing retry connect FOREVER if not connected ??
asciilifeform: i dun get it.
asciilifeform: at this point this thing has been responsible for more tmsr downtime than all of the ddos idiocies of the kako age combined.
asciilifeform: there we go.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 05:16 phf: not really drama as such, oldfag bailed, took his project down with him, project being gmane an old repository of mailing lists (and an ntp<->mailing list proxy) https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/
asciilifeform: consider, 'So, anyway, I’m perfectly willing to delete whatever it is they want to have deleted. So I was looking through the stack to see if that was in there somewhere.'
asciilifeform: and ~all of the gmane content is also found elsewhere.
asciilifeform: to the point that i've never thought of gmane as anything but a polluter of search results.
asciilifeform: y'know, quite like those pediwikia clones that once were pestilentially common
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 05:45 mircea_popescu: he fucking admits deleting emails. what archive is this ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 05:50 mircea_popescu: honestly, the age never existed. i've seen such ages, up close and personal. but the composition of this particular version was exceedingly weak. not even teracotta soldiers, more like pillsbury doughmen.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514350 << tankers are seaworthy?! perhaps by 'i sit on land while lloyds of london pays for the 100 tankers rogue waves sink every year' sense...
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 06:04 mircea_popescu: no fucking way he gets a cheaper seaworthy platform.
asciilifeform: any tub is 'seaworthy' when some OTHER arse drowns on it
asciilifeform: seaworthy per OWN arse means nothing but 'NOTHING the sea can do to this thing, will sink it'
asciilifeform: and go and built tanker that fits this description.
asciilifeform: (need more like bathyscaphe, or at least sub)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514356 << would someone kindly explain to me WHY i would wish to live on a ship if i had 'millions' ?
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 06:05 mircea_popescu: the reason is obvious, they start at more millions than he has. not more millions than he;d have had the cardano shipped on schedule and we all make it rich off the exploding share price, but neways.
asciilifeform: millions (even, if one is thrifty, a single million, even of usd) can handily buy the requisite degree of social isolation ON LAND
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu hangs out with moneyed folk. how many live on tankers ?
asciilifeform: why not ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514357 << when ben_vulpes installs a 1500hp diesel in his living room and reports back re how much fun he is having.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 06:05 ben_vulpes: fuck dude go park it off a shipping lane and get weekly oil deliveries if you really burn that much
asciilifeform: srsly nobody grasped the point of the boat thread ?
asciilifeform: i am interested in the sea as ~strictly~ a place where the dollar buys moar social-isolation bang than elsewhere, and in no other way.
PeterL: For less than a boat you could get an isolated cabin here in MI and be as isolated as you want
PeterL: seems like empty land would be cheaper than boat in the long run
PeterL: http://www.upmls.com/land.php?view=1088652&board= "The north east corner of the property touches the Ottawa National Forest. The almost one million acres of this Forest extends from the south shore of Lake Superior to the Wisconsin border."
PeterL: $5k
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform iirc the nutso scientology guy did for a decade or so.
mircea_popescu: note that i'm the one explaining "life on the sea" is idiotic, you don't get to hijack that argument. fact remains that IF you're willing to bite the live-on-sea bullet, tanker by far best deal.
mircea_popescu: and WILL STAY best deal, for your lifetime, given that no amateur shithead/copywriter is going to come up with a way to MAKE NEW ships that'll come out cheaper than the tail end of the industrial process.
mircea_popescu: just like no squirrel is ever going to make a cpu that'll be cheaper than simply taking a box of pentiums out of radioshack in a post-apocalyptic world.
BingoBoingo: ty jurov
asciilifeform: they break on waves.
asciilifeform: not good deal.
asciilifeform: good deal to send some ~other~ poor fuck on, to carry cargo.
asciilifeform: and cheap - yes, until the diesel cannot be had in the requisite qty.
asciilifeform: nor the parts.
asciilifeform: (quite a few tanker co. have already begun 'downsizing' by removing individual pistons, even..)
mircea_popescu: you crazy ?
mircea_popescu: no tanker broke on anything in 30+ years.
mircea_popescu: they don't break if driven on land ffs.
asciilifeform: 'Severe weather has sunk more than 200 supertankers and container ships exceeding 200 metres in length during the last two decades. ' << lies ?
mircea_popescu: this i gotta see
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have nfi. maybe ? it'd surely help if they listed names.
asciilifeform: maybe ask lloyds?
mircea_popescu: maybe. of course they're talking of ... 1995 ?
mircea_popescu: and the guy... survived ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is esa anyway ?
asciilifeform: euro space
asciilifeform: y'know, the folks with their own crappy gps etc.
mircea_popescu: if you imagine you'll have orlov build you a ship out of a well chosen half walnut that'll perform better in "freakish weather" than a tanker you really should move on to apologetics, what can i say!
asciilifeform: hey i never asserted that the problem was ~solvable~...
asciilifeform: much less by orlol.
asciilifeform: only that it were interesting.
mircea_popescu: well, by far the cheapest masquerade of a solution is spending the 45mn or so to buy a junky old tanker and be happy.
asciilifeform: and small vessels, for all of their faults, are less breakable than large ones.
asciilifeform: incidentally tanker is a poor solution for another reason - it is, like that 'business jet', a 'have slaves machine'
asciilifeform: and certainly not a 'one bloke operates and repairs with his own two hands for 20 years' machine.
asciilifeform: what's it cost to dry-dock a tanker ?
asciilifeform: and in how many spots on planet3 can you do it
mircea_popescu: not really. most tankers run on tiny crews of a dozenand a half to two dozen
mircea_popescu: much less crew than any submarine.
mircea_popescu: also, it's a consumer item. you never drydock it. buy another.
asciilifeform: iirc the crew is largely ceremonial, the thing is driven by computer
mircea_popescu: there's thousands extra.
asciilifeform: buy another! lel
mircea_popescu: bitch, things cost money. what is this "im of the internet and free plox" ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reminds me of the british ww1 admiral
asciilifeform: who, asked 'how we shall deal with uboats' answered, 'let's boil the atlantic'
mircea_popescu: the whole fucking point of "buy tanker, live on sea" is that you are exploting an early-come apocalypse.
mircea_popescu: the industrial world died. once this means everyone can loot walmart, everyone will
mircea_popescu: currently, it just means "anyone can loot tankers"
mircea_popescu: go, loot.
asciilifeform: walmart and slow targets visible from 50km
asciilifeform: which includes tanker.
asciilifeform: i can understand folks who buy the subs (as described by mircea_popescu re costa rica narcos) but tanker is lunacy.
mircea_popescu: by the time you get to loot, you get to loot like fungi do (visible but nobody to take advantage)
PeterL: Somali pirates spend much less than 45 mn to get their tankers
mircea_popescu: you're not a preditor and do not wish to become one.
mircea_popescu: so therefore, go, photosynthesize.
mircea_popescu: PeterL as above. he's a lilly ass murican, not a somali.
mircea_popescu: he "has better things to do". "do those better things buy you a tanker ?" "don't ask so many questions!"
asciilifeform: PeterL: 'get' until first contact with ru navy.
asciilifeform: by that token, can go to any parking lot and 'get' jaguar, until first police car.
mircea_popescu: so what is this, you'll be sinking the ru navy as part of this project ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform most of the better whores can, and do, and that's why i love them.
asciilifeform: did mr reptilia 'get' that aston-martin in the hotel parking lot ?
mircea_popescu: no idea, which is why i never fcared for him.
asciilifeform: for sufficiently flexible 'get', anyone can get-anything..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514252 << at one point i even had acct there, decade+ ago, it likely still exists
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 05:10 mircea_popescu: actually. less than 10% of people alive EVER HAD a fb. less than 10% of THOSE touched it in the past year.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was using non-us market data.
asciilifeform: it was 'new and fun and for students' etc., but i never really grasped wtf to do with it.
shinohai: asciilifeform best i can offer for backup logz is http://bit-box.org/logs/logs/%23trilema/2016-08-04.html
asciilifeform: shinohai: Framedragger has one as well.
shinohai: ah cool
asciilifeform: shinohai: problem is that there's gotta be a bot relaying link contents, and keeping cross-index, and searchability.
shinohai: mod6 was gonna add one to tbot or something
mircea_popescu sings "i did it one step at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime... i got the only one there is around"
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514284 << poetteringism does not exist in order to slip in ~one particular~ cockroach, but to maintain a generally fertile soil for vermin 'control the vertical and the horizontal' (tm) (r)
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 05:40 phf: i don't know the details of ken sievers, some lesser part of systemd's master wrecking plan, involving firmware devices. probably behavior is somehow mandatory in NSA injection sequence. or else guy is just another righteous prick
asciilifeform: which includes 'gender warriors', 'lemme break this until the Right Solution is Consensused', and the whole constellation of plagues.
mircea_popescu: someone should prolly actually classify these, actually.
asciilifeform: needs expert entomologist.
mircea_popescu: there's ~no value in considering the individual "people" as people. take mike hearn. he's not as much "mike hearn" as he is "lemme break this while right solution" + x + y.
mircea_popescu: much smarter would be to create the categories and then just tag the billion vermin
asciilifeform: the shitgnomatic toolkit is not large.
mircea_popescu: than attempt to construct identities for vermin
asciilifeform: there are perhaps half a dozen basic instruments.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform quite so. certainly smaller than its flesh.
mircea_popescu: and yes it does need expert entomologist, but wtf we've been doing here.
asciilifeform: bobbeck, for instance, is own thing.
asciilifeform: there are also multiple types of shitproject
mircea_popescu: i'd definitely read carefully / comment on any proposed classification
asciilifeform: systemd gets a good thrashing regularly, but recall flycheck ?
asciilifeform: $s flycheck
asciilifeform: ^ mega-thread
mircea_popescu: but, point being, the story of idiocy would benefit from systematic approach.
asciilifeform: (flycheck was LITERALLY the 'we shall build an alt-country out of stooges and call it your country)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-04#1514446 << mother of all lulz, 'There is no written legal access for this property, or road into this property. There is walk-in-only access from the Ottawa National Forest.'
a111: Logged on 2016-08-04 14:20 PeterL: http://www.upmls.com/land.php?view=1088652&board= "The north east corner of the property touches the Ottawa National Forest. The almost one million acres of this Forest extends from the south shore of Lake Superior to the Wisconsin border."
asciilifeform: ^ boxed in by usg from all sides! and pay 5k for the privilege
PeterL: but nobody is going to come knocking on your door
asciilifeform: somebody call that 'galt's gulch' idiot, he'll buy 10 of these
asciilifeform: PeterL: no, they'll just wait for you to come out for supplies.
PeterL: just an example, there are plenty of other plots available for about same price, some have road access
PeterL: send servant to get supplies?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this, you're gonna like : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-01-18#1375760
a111: Logged on 2016-01-18 20:35 mircea_popescu: flycheck is hereby banned from anywhere
mircea_popescu: now look at the page.
asciilifeform: PeterL: lol servants
PeterL: pet?
mircea_popescu: FLYCHECK IS STILL BANNED FOR BEING ASSWIPES THAT DELETE CONTENT ON THE QUIET IN AN ATEMPT TO CIRCUMVENT TMSR BAN.
asciilifeform: waitasec where
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, on the other side, we fucking need an auto-archive bot for all links.
mircea_popescu: fuck them.
asciilifeform: got longer, turdier, even.
mircea_popescu: it didn't "move". they deleted it to circumvent tmsr ban. then, as you'd expect, later tried to lie about that, too.
mircea_popescu: phf can has archive.is integration for links plox ?
asciilifeform: fuckwits shuffle around their site all the time, breaking links left and right
asciilifeform: not necessarily anything intelligent about it
mircea_popescu: intelligence is not here discussed. legal liability is.
asciilifeform: wake me up for the public flogging of every arsemunch who ever broken a link.
asciilifeform: i promise to attend.
mircea_popescu: what "every". what is this, a democracy again ?
mircea_popescu: wake me up when flyckech manages to escape the charge of fraud.
asciilifeform: we were in the process of catalogueing the frauds
mircea_popescu: tho it's still unclear to me what exactly you imagine to achieve through this "wake me up" device.
asciilifeform: it means that i dun expect to live to see a thing.
mircea_popescu: it's still unclear what exactly you imagine to achieve through this "i don't expect to live to see a thing" device either.
danielpbarron: https://archive.is/CDVc1 << it was archived btw
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron gracias.
asciilifeform: before the thread is lost, i'd like to nominate 'flycheck' as an own and distinct type of fraud, the 'bus broke down, yes, we're the bus now!111' device.
mircea_popescu: expectation clearly has no impact on living. so then... "here's my favourite oft repeated nonsequitur" ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform word.
asciilifeform: systemd is, fundamentally, of this species: 'systemv init script is... broken!111 yes! and here is REPLACEMENT eat up'
mircea_popescu: "community agreed"
asciilifeform: in every case, one discovers that the supposedly 'broken' original still works great, once you remove the rust and monkey shit it was buried under
mircea_popescu: but it's not enviro friendly!
asciilifeform: (systemv init in systemd's case, flymake in flycheck's)
asciilifeform: a list of these crimes would probably not be wholly waste of time
mircea_popescu: as i said, i'd defo read it.
asciilifeform: i recall distinctly that, e.g., phf, named several cases with which i was not personally familiar.
mircea_popescu: everyone got blogs anyway, and is now desperate for material to fulfill the "one a day" golden rule, amirite ?
mircea_popescu: pe cai, baieti.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has a quite spiffy article, iirc, concerning the 'bobbeck' species
asciilifeform: the 'komyooniti organizer'
mircea_popescu: buncha those, they piss me off.
mircea_popescu: fucktard beta aspiring to speak in the group. since when may this happen under the fucking sun!
asciilifeform: who, e.g., works 'round the clock to make sure that, e.g., microshit, is heard in the openbsd throne room, and mircea_popescu is not
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's ok, i didn't actually want to say anything @openbsd.
asciilifeform: then there is the 'do-ocrat', as exemplified by boeck, who 'has done SO MUCH for the komoyoonity! and who are you again pigfucker to question his guiding light'
asciilifeform: (see recent link for nearly this very text)
asciilifeform: another, quite distinct species is the weimer
asciilifeform: i.e., an appointed 'burn man' for usg vulns
asciilifeform: who collects 'the glory' of 'finding' hole
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is bock again.
asciilifeform: somehow reliably announcing each 'find' immediately prior to actual people
asciilifeform: ^ reactivated ~immediately after the null rng find published
mircea_popescu: oh right right, he was waxing indignant atop some hallucinated "moral superiority" on twitter, "look at these people calling me what i am, clearly i must be right!!1"
mircea_popescu: "support me now, ye imbeciles of the world, lest next they behead you!!11"
asciilifeform: let's also not forget the most numerous tool,
asciilifeform: the useful idiot
asciilifeform: to whom tmsr folk are 'extremist crackots' with (direct quote) 'obvious signs of mental illness', and hanno boeck is a pillar of the komyooniti.
asciilifeform: and who 'just want to' (tm) (r) etc.
mircea_popescu: sure. the only problem is that apparently "pillar of komyooniti" is a disease that kills, whereas "obvious signs of mental illness" is a pretty good predictor of stability.
mircea_popescu: wasn't that sloven fucktard derping about how "everything will come to grief because mp stopped subsidizing my sorry ass AND I THOUGHT I WAS ENTITLED!11"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not, kako was actually complaining earlier, why do i discuss phuctor finds 'there, in the nuttery' and not 'here'
asciilifeform: ('here' being his lonely hut.)
asciilifeform: truly a puzzling fella.
mircea_popescu: yeah, whatever. i can't be arsed to have anyone dig it up, but certainly germane to this idiocy. imbecile went as far to actually ~predict~, the obviously falsifiable point, that somehow the republic is unstable. because omg, it breks the tenets of socialism and dares have personally invested sovereignity, THEREFORE IT MUST BE BAD.
mircea_popescu: the sort of braindamage that'll make one continue putting out predictions that are regularly falsified instead of fixing the tool that produces them is something else.
asciilifeform: neh, 'not falsified yet!!', see, fella's gonna sit by the river-side waitin' for our corpses to float by till he dies
asciilifeform: or so at least is the impression.
mircea_popescu: (and if you're unwilling to beat your children, this is what you produce. this unrelenting sort of idiot who's never had to learn on his own skin at the age of 3, when the skin is soft and the flesh fixes quickly, that escalation is not to be tried idly ; then has to learn it in the life's school of hard knocks, where there's no fix and no way to grow head back out of beheaded neck.)
asciilifeform: 'though the pgp keys in question do not import into gpg, they can be imported in a couple javascript pgp-trons: https://www.igolder.com/PGP/encryption/ and http://ianpurton.com/online-pgp/ ...'
asciilifeform: FINALLY somebody does this thing that i asked for 1+yr ago.
asciilifeform: (i challenged the #b-a folk 'dontcha get tired of making monkey noises at mp, try being useful')
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu has a quite spiffy article, iirc, concerning the 'bobbeck' species << <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu has a quite spiffy article, iirc, concerning the 'bobbeck' species
mircea_popescu: of course... the other view here is that the dictionary of stupidity sunk flaubert, or to quote, "will be the death of me" .
asciilifeform: the pretense of exhaustive listing, sinks, yes
asciilifeform: but pest control starts with identification of species.
mircea_popescu: this is true. flaubert... had his issues.
BingoBoingo: Gamma-Cyrethrin FTW!
asciilifeform wonders what the boecks will move on to now that 'snore, gpg won't import the keyz' is addressed
mircea_popescu: well... it's not really addressed!
covertress waves hi to mircea_popescu
covertress: I do enjoy a good show.
BingoBoingo: covertress: Wait, they FIGHT ENTROPY???? BAD ANARCHISTS!!!
covertress: don't shoot the messenger
mircea_popescu: "VIII. But Hanno Böck explained that" / "VIII. But I heard that"
mircea_popescu: gotta understand how namebombing works irl.
mircea_popescu: how am i going to answer a ghost of a question!
asciilifeform: elaborate why not 'bock explained'
mircea_popescu: for humans, because it doesn't serve any purpose to credit idiots; with anything. for computers, because the whole point of the idiot being named is to make it impossible for his life to continue outside of his association with his fucking a pig.
mircea_popescu: reusing the name does nothing for either, and moreover there's no cause for it. he's nothing to nobody, except a pig fucker with a matching face.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: done.
mircea_popescu: aquae et ignis, you understand. "flycheck" lacks the ability to "it moved" much like hanno bock lacks the ability to "tell" anyone anything.
mircea_popescu: these aren't to be assumed, just because fucktards think socialism, and all things are equal and all "people" are special and so forth.
asciilifeform: well when instead of 'boeck said...' i say 'the lizard octopus proclaimed via one of its tentacles...' folks laugh.
asciilifeform: somehow the face trick works.
mircea_popescu: so then say "i heard"
asciilifeform: i dun like the female-gossiptronic aspect of 'i heard'
asciilifeform: there was a mouth, that spoke the nonsense
asciilifeform: why not point the mouth.
mircea_popescu: you're getting the brunt of it for your "sin" of being naively open, but whatever, you're a big enough boy to survive it i'd hope : the above orcish "when stated plainly they laugh so whatever, the face trick seems to work" is a large part of why people like rms failed without meaning to and without realising they were. much like the hurtless cut of the apple carpace.
mircea_popescu: they're built up to exploit the force of this "it works" mistake you understand ? much like a revolver uses the gas to move the next round.
mircea_popescu: the thing to focus on is the hearer, not the mouth.
mircea_popescu: this is how the ethereum humiliation worked ; and why ; and wherefore. and it's how the bitfinex thing played out, for the same reasons.
mircea_popescu: use the tools shown to bring back head of lizzard in battle ; not the ones that are shiny in the sun.
asciilifeform: i understand quite well that hearns, boecks, etc. are used and discarded by octopus, like condoms.
asciilifeform: and have 0 individual input on tactic, much less strategy.
asciilifeform: (when has anyone last even heard of hearn?)
asciilifeform: also i would like to buy mircea_popescu's revolver that uses gas to move next round !
asciilifeform: can haz ?
covertress: ¯¯̿̿¯̿̿'̿̿̿̿̿̿̿'̿̿'̿̿̿̿̿'̿̿̿)͇̿̿)̿̿̿̿ '̿̿̿̿̿̿\̵͇̿̿\=(•̪̀●́)=o/̵͇̿̿/'̿̿ ̿ ̿̿
asciilifeform pictures miniature chaingun from 'doom'
covertress: fireworks over
asciilifeform: dafuq was that
covertress: ascii art, my dear
asciilifeform: on my planet there is no right->left compositive hangul strange in ascii.
covertress waves goodbye to mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: lol. ok ok, blowback, whatevs.
asciilifeform: blockback revolver ?
asciilifeform: iirc korovin designed one, a few were made
mircea_popescu: should be interesting to try lol
asciilifeform: afaik it worked, but was thrown out because it sheds the one serious plus of revolver (simplicity) but keeps the minus (limited capacity)
asciilifeform: sorta like ecc crypto.
mircea_popescu: well, the "inertia locking" thing is kinda useful in theory.
mircea_popescu: no idea, i've not had drinks with kalashnikov.
asciilifeform: kalashnikov afaik never designed pistols.
asciilifeform: you need drinks with stechkin et al.
mircea_popescu: apparently i need drinks with someone to tell me who to drink with.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck emplacement is that, "we trust we will never have to use this under fire ; and ideally - at all" ?
asciilifeform: where's the shield..?
mircea_popescu: where's the "i'd like to not have a wall a foot behind me to reflect all napalm and ricochet on my head"
asciilifeform: anyway this is american sop, they don't expect to be fired on by so much as bb gun.
mircea_popescu: so how is it a warship then.
asciilifeform: strafe defenseless tub? yes! party!
asciilifeform: it's not 'war ship' any more than f-35 is 'war plane'
asciilifeform: it is 'strafe savages from safe distance' machine.
mircea_popescu: there's no such thing as "a safe distance autocannon" for the love of fuck.
mircea_popescu: the autocannon is the armor equivalent of the roman gladius.
asciilifeform: iirc they were installed after the uss cole incident.
asciilifeform: for perforating uninvited rowboats etc.
mircea_popescu: such design process.
asciilifeform: same 'design process' as made every usg outpost a horrendous mess of bollards and spikes
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> for perforating uninvited rowboats etc. << Hey rowboats were entire threat model justifying TWO classes of littoral comabt ship
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i thought they were for smugglers with subs
asciilifeform: or sumthing.
mircea_popescu: it can engage subs ?
asciilifeform: i have nfi, it perhaps claims to 'engage' even martians, for all i know.
mircea_popescu: how, 90 degree rotation and plows for the sub with its beak ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Rowboats were the Pubic rallying cry though. But yes everything else seems to suggest designed to beat up on plywood narco subs
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: at some point torpedos were imagined
mircea_popescu: that thing at no point was considered with a torpedo in mind.
mircea_popescu: literally, anything from ww2 even, should it score a hit in that horrendous lip of nonsense will crack the ship in two and sink it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the sub in question is not the ru diesel thing, but the plywood handcraft items BingoBoingo refers to, their only defense is to motor in the other direction when they notice pursuit. hence wankery re 'stealth' patrol boats etc.
deedbot: [Qntra] Phree Software Download Website Fosshub Distributed MBR Tainting Malware - http://qntra.net/2016/08/phree-software-download-website-fosshub-distributed-mbr-tainting-malware/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a torpedo tube isn't THAT heavy.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Firing torpedos... somehow
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it needs such things as locks and seals. the plywood boats are very spartan affairs, lacking even flush toilet.
BingoBoingo: Where to fit torpedos among imaginary missiles, mortars and helicopers is a mystery
mircea_popescu: afaik the tube is actually self-contained. you could just tie it on with chicken wire and will still work.
asciilifeform: torpedo per se is a costly pleasure.
BingoBoingo: I dunno if thing actually has armament beyond thing next Missouri governor fired at/above lake in most recent ad
mircea_popescu: sure, but in the million range. cocaine should afford one.
asciilifeform: (aha, and mircea_popescu will say, 'steal 1,001 of them' but then why not also steal ship.)
mircea_popescu: a torpedo really is not THAT expensive.
asciilifeform: even in ww2, with actual navies, most targets weren't worth a torpedo.
asciilifeform: hence deck guns.
mircea_popescu: in ww2 most targets were also not worth an ipad.
asciilifeform: torpedo easily cost year's pay of officer.
mircea_popescu: the officiall us cost for the mk48 is ~4mn.
mircea_popescu: and we'll deduct from this the usual alf "golden toilet" premium yes ?
asciilifeform: looks like it has not become cheaper, either..?
mircea_popescu: not that anyone needs a 50km range ton-and-a-half monster.
mircea_popescu: (it should be pointed out that the torpedo also weighs about the same as a year worth of officer)
asciilifeform: speaking of '50km monster', i always wondered why not 'intercontinental torpedo'
asciilifeform: if yer gonna have a nuke in the thing...
asciilifeform: guidance via oceanographic db.
PeterL: sort of like drone sub with atomic warhead?
asciilifeform: atomic. or cocainiferous. etc.
asciilifeform: whichever payload appropriate for the occasion.
mircea_popescu: shinohai strangely enough, slack can afford to pay for advertising on pastebin ; can not afford to make the people it defrauded whole.
mircea_popescu: so then you'll have a sub inside the sub ?
asciilifeform: launch from shore.
PeterL: and pick up on other shore
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: slack? or slock ?
mircea_popescu: wait these are distinct ?
asciilifeform: (slack is a chat thing?)
mircea_popescu: i thought the grimy looking tual fellow had... a chat thing ?
asciilifeform: slock is this orc subcontractor that only existed in light of ethertardium
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is everyone in vcland making "chat things" after we started a chat thing is anyone's guess.
asciilifeform: slack is an american vc corp thing
mircea_popescu: what, unlike "slock" ?
asciilifeform: iirc slock was euro
mircea_popescu: euro vc ?
mircea_popescu: what, like... danish venture capital ?
asciilifeform: euro buncha-dudes-in-a-cellar
mircea_popescu still chuckles at the "conference" where the various "captains of industree" were discussing who sleeps on whose floor, because one of them was subletting or bumming out or w/e in some flat in london
BingoBoingo: slack seems to just be chat
mircea_popescu: by which "london" we mean ... god help it.
asciilifeform: https://slack.com << often used by american software co. sorta like irc-cum-logz for the terminally lazy
asciilifeform: proprietary proggy, central server, etc.
asciilifeform has used
shinohai: ewwww
asciilifeform: shinohai: it lives in the land of 'aol messenger', microshit outlook, etc.
asciilifeform: is a pretty typical work of heathendom.
mircea_popescu: so why not just use irc ? i suppose these charge at some point no ?
asciilifeform: because then someone has to sweat, setting up logz, search, bots, etc.
trinque: irc doesn't have emojis and gifs.. would be the "reason"
asciilifeform: why not, thinks luser, put money in the clown head, and eat.
asciilifeform: and of course it charges.
mircea_popescu: so why the fuck would a software house hire eh nevermind.
asciilifeform: and comes with pnoje APP!!1111 etc.
mircea_popescu: i'm not advanced enough for modernity.
asciilifeform: it is really 'we want tmsr-like machine but all get got is a pile of usd, let's have whatever much cardboard approximation it buys'
asciilifeform: *we got
mircea_popescu: seems such a trivially tiny project tho
asciilifeform: eh, supporting the various smart-pnoje clients alone probably employs a whole slave galley
mircea_popescu: almost like an entry bar. "if you can't get your team irc room together you're all fired"
asciilifeform: iirc ben_vulpes eats off this, just for some niche industry somewhere
mircea_popescu: i suppose this leads us to the fundamental tmsr reform. our view is exclusive, "either it works with this or is banned" ; their view is inclusive, "either it works with this or we change the this"
mircea_popescu: important point i guess.
asciilifeform: the proprietary clients do such things as guaranteed retro-ordering of messages, very frustrating to folks raised on irc, but the folks who have it - expect it.
asciilifeform: and yes.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck in management would say anything other than "so buy a proper phone" to employee who was like "i can't call the company"
mircea_popescu: what's retro-ordering ?
asciilifeform: when boss keys in a message, but he is in a lift, so it doesn't post until he comes out, but he wants it pinned to time T
asciilifeform: when he was in the lift.
asciilifeform: ask ~them~, not me, why this is necessary.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what!
mircea_popescu: but how the fuck does this work, i can just set my system time and send messages back to 2014 ?
asciilifeform: sort of like having a log, except in everybody's client at once, and with heavy does of 'promise' (vs protocol)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and quite possibly. if anyone cared to reverse the client, all kinds of marvels may yet become possible.
mircea_popescu: this is ridiculous.
asciilifeform: i did say! typical work of heathendom.
asciilifeform: didn't i.
mircea_popescu: you did say.
mircea_popescu: quite typical, too, in the elevator example. "i want things to be made to be what i thought they were going to be at no expense to me!"
asciilifeform: y'know, like the tsar who drew a line on the map with a pencil and ordered rail laid just-so
asciilifeform: through mountains etc.
deedbot: [Qntra] Blog Post On Insurance Disappears From BitGo Website - http://qntra.net/2016/08/blog-post-on-insurance-disappears-from-bitgo-website/
mircea_popescu: all these idiots with usagi "insurance".
mircea_popescu: but no, they know shit and have opinions on matters and whatnot.
mircea_popescu: and then, THEN, when it comes time to eat the shit they don't gop
BingoBoingo: Well, grab a shovel and a wheelbarrow
mircea_popescu: they don't go "hey, you know what, MP was right all along, we ARE fucking idiots not fit to lick his boots clean, and will henceforth do just that"
asciilifeform: then they derp about 'obvious signs of mental illness'
mircea_popescu: no, instead it's just "silently" erase history and... keep the pretense going.
mircea_popescu: that way, they can be sure they will also never be fit to lick my boots clean, ever.
asciilifeform: to a muppet, anyone who refuses to participate in the consensual 'reality' is dangerous lunatic.
mircea_popescu: the rapings will continue until attitude improves.
BingoBoingo feeling bearish, because what happens when the fuck juice runs out????
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2015/02/bitgo-offers-insurance-the-fdic-way/ << lol came true. now no insurance at all.
BingoBoingo: ty, gotta add link
thestringpuller: what was the theft. ~120k
thestringpuller: ;;market buy 120000
gribble: Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 9580.7606 bitcoins, for a total of 33190089.2632 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. | Data vintage: 0.0211 seconds
thestringpuller: everyone is fucked even if they had insurance
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
thestringpuller: http://archive.is/wbNAk << i forgot all about that.
thestringpuller: can insurance even exist in bitcoin yet without devolving into Usagi antics? the liability it too high to insure bitcoin with bitcoin. and insuring bitcoin with fiat isn't insurance.
asciilifeform: insurance against flood, fires ?
asciilifeform: or against 'losing coins'
asciilifeform: which is perhaps the ultimate in 'moral hazard' and a crock of shit
thestringpuller: losing something directly tied to coins.
thestringpuller: anything related to loss of coins.
thestringpuller: isn't insurable.
asciilifeform: moral hazard: 1) insure 2) 'lose' 3) find 4) profit!!!
deedbot: [Qntra] Louisiana Enacts and New York Considers Protecting Law Enforcement With Hate Crime Laws - http://qntra.net/2016/08/louisiana-enacts-and-new-york-considers-protecting-law-enforcement-with-hate-crime-laws/
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: that assumes a smart scammer.
asciilifeform: go and try to insure a pile of usd you keep in your mattress, see what, e.g., lloyds, answers.
thestringpuller: That was probably the case for people scamming usagi, which is what it boiled down to. Usagi issued insurance against people who were exposed to pirate (insured their debts), then collected it into risk trenches (A, B and C) of descending risk. he did 0 underwriting, and was overconfident. So all the people who told him they weren't exposed to pirate were.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: are you familiar with MPEx CDO? And how the derpage was so bad it was like a 60% default rate.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller quite huh. nice.
asciilifeform: ' If (1) the victim was (A) a government officer or employee; (B) a former government officer or employee; or (C) a member of the immediate family of a person described in subdivision (A) or (B); and (2) the offense of conviction was motivated by such status, increase by 3 levels.'
mircea_popescu: they somehow fail to grasp this a) has al ong history of being tried which b) never failed to produce the opposite effect.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo subject to enhance penalties as "hate" crimes. << missed a d
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
mircea_popescu: also it should probably be noted that what worries them isn't "attacking police officer", but the very tmrs-esque "attack government drone"
mircea_popescu: supposedly this luft will protect them. somehow. who knows.
mircea_popescu: they believe they'll get pensions, so why wouldn't they believe the usg will somehow, magically, protect them and their families.
mircea_popescu: it protected the people involved in its various wars, from iraq to bitcoin, ever so grandiosely well. it even managed to protect its ground installations in say libya, or for that matter ethereum...
asciilifeform: in usa, hoodlums stab, shoot, club, push off cliff, run over, cops every day of the week
asciilifeform: normally nobody gives half a shit
mircea_popescu: sean smith could be you today, and WILL be you tomorrow, yo!
asciilifeform: so long as it stays a 'disorganized' thing.
mircea_popescu: not really. recently old woman got stabbed, remember ?
mircea_popescu: apparently a warning ain't enough. which... hey, the beatings can definitely continue.
asciilifeform: iirc was some bureaucrat ?
mircea_popescu: quite. "government employee" in this verbiage.
mircea_popescu: how many unknown hillary clintons will have to paint the sidewalk before usg admits defeat and goes to licking selected boots ?
asciilifeform: (in usa, this is typically not nyooz, recall the missouri governor - typically a whole president has to get plugged before it is nyooz)
mircea_popescu: oh it will be news.
asciilifeform: lulzily i had just freshly come back from that part of bmore, when i read the nyooz item re the old woman.
asciilifeform: it must have been a clean job, no constellations of police or whatevers afterward.
asciilifeform: i still have nfi what her political place was
asciilifeform: (fits, or does not, the 'nailgunned for not playing nice' scenario ?)
mircea_popescu: think tank old woman "not playing nice" ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (in usa, this is typically not nyooz, recall the missouri governor - typically a whole president has to get plugged before it is nyooz) << Auditor, would have been governor
BingoBoingo: Phun Phact, soybeans bleed red when you cut their roots
deedbot: [Qntra] Monsanto On Dicamba Drift Disaster: We Are Not An Enforcement Agency, To Argentina: We Are An Enforcement Agency - http://qntra.net/2016/08/monsanto-on-dicamba-drift-disaster-we-are-not-an-enforcement-agency-to-argentina-we-are-an-enforcement-agency/
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 423672 | Current Difficulty: 2.0189321085305896E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 425375 | Next Difficulty In: 1703 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, 53 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 563.29, vol: 9617.39258584 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 571.0, vol: 5857.64775 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 559.247465, vol: 194354.98870000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 572.88, vol: 3094.75560473 | Volume-weighted last average: 559.951517469
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency gbp
gribble: Bitstamp BTCGBP last: 422.617272, vol: 9557.45953991 | BTC-E BTCGBP last: 428.1358, vol: 5856.48453 | BTCChina BTCGBP last: 420.575265, vol: 194530.62940000 | Kraken BTCGBP last: 452.0, vol: 42.19618789 | Volume-weighted last average: 420.885382441
ben_vulpes: i eat off what now?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform:
asciilifeform: pnoje appz?
ben_vulpes: oh yeah
ben_vulpes: read as though you were implying i lived off setting ircd's up for folks.
asciilifeform: dafuq is that
ben_vulpes: some remora
ben_vulpes: "how to schedule a meeting"
ben_vulpes: "in this webinar, i will teach you how to hold your dick."
ben_vulpes: "first, unzip your pants. unroll your sea slug into your left hand."
ben_vulpes: "look! you are now holding your dick."
mircea_popescu: i want to say that i followed some instructions provided in this website and ended up holding an unmentionable part in my hand.
mircea_popescu: i would like you to delete this dangerous material from the interweb and google.
ben_vulpes: here let me dig through the archives
ben_vulpes: i'm sure i can delete it from everyone's logs
ben_vulpes: two weeks
mircea_popescu: This week, due to your GNAA postings, I just suffered the loss of an important job opportunity, and contract because an individual obtained the private parts I had not intended for hand distribution. After the irc error I wrote several people on that chat ridiculed me.
mircea_popescu: As I informed Mr. [redacted], there are treatises between the Nations of the United States and yours, I believe, Norway, which mandate compliance with the California State and Federal privacy laws respectively.
mircea_popescu: exclamation point.
mircea_popescu: The penalties that can be adjudged against you due to your reckless and knowing violation of the aforementioned act, and my privacy rights under the California Constitution, the highest law in the land for any one person living in the State of California, are very high.
asciilifeform: for some reason the michael church thing comes to mind
mircea_popescu: pretty much everyone with a visible anything gets a ton of these
asciilifeform: 0 google hits btw
mircea_popescu: tpb also had a lulzy page
asciilifeform wonders how the shmuck got pulled from google
asciilifeform: perhaps it is only the trilema result that was yanked. nfi.
mircea_popescu: maybe your google lies.
asciilifeform: no doubt.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, using google is not unlike using the bitcoin network.
mircea_popescu: gotta maintain numerous connections and compare the various lies
mircea_popescu: the naive "i connected to one, should be good rite???" thing dun work since late 90s
asciilifeform at one point had an automatic thing for this, but it rusted
asciilifeform: i can rarely be arsed these days.
mircea_popescu: it's not that useful, no.
asciilifeform: to go up stack: the 'delete my history of disgraceful failure OR ELSE!1111' thing is an idiocy that does not come from empty space, but from monkeys watching lizard organs do ~same thing routinely
asciilifeform: straight imitation.
asciilifeform: 'ME TOO!!!1111'
mircea_popescu: quite possibly.
mircea_popescu: also a nice bastadization of "you can be anything" with "if you want something the whole universe coelhospires for it to happen"
mircea_popescu: but it's certainly quite deep. the vermin doesn't merely aim to a comfortable existence, but more importantly to a memory-less situation.
mircea_popescu: hence the whole "anonymous" bullshit.
asciilifeform: a memory-less situation is quite incompatible with 'comfortable existence' for these folx.
asciilifeform: *memory-full
mircea_popescu: how do you figure?
mircea_popescu: ah ah yeah.
mircea_popescu: hence all the "drugs will make things better". the ONE thing all psychoactives have in common is a destruction of identity through fucking up memory.
mircea_popescu: this is also a large portion of why i'm so nonplussed by theoretical "improvements"
asciilifeform: baseless generalization.
asciilifeform: ~sleep debt~ will zap memory, yes.
mircea_popescu: there's a fundamental, perhaps "not visible" in some lights line that distinguishes the college twerps who KNOW what they did from the college twerps who need someone else to tell them what they did.
mircea_popescu: quite blockchain-like, this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform really ? get drunk sometime.
asciilifeform: clearly i have not been sufficiently drunk ?
mircea_popescu: clearly.
mircea_popescu: $s blackout
BingoBoingo: Seriously
asciilifeform always suspected that 'fuhgettting', such as happens to drunks, is very similar to other things which happen to drunks, in being substantially a matter of ~wanting to~
BingoBoingo: One can not soak the brain in solvents without solving some brain!
asciilifeform: not speaking of chronic brain damage here, but of 'i fuhget which one i fucked'
mircea_popescu: memory is a high cognitive function, which is why alzheimer's
mircea_popescu: tis not volitional.
asciilifeform: at any rate the 'all psychoactives' thing is poppycock.
mircea_popescu: ellaborate ?
asciilifeform: no evidence that moderate intake of ~just about any dope, affects memory.
mircea_popescu: "It’s generally a mistake to let twitchy nerds get their paws on statistical data." <<
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you take enough to notice you thereby took enough to affect memory!
asciilifeform: i am satisfied, for instance, that the boxing ring - does.
asciilifeform: let's have to this standard.
mircea_popescu: let's what ?
asciilifeform: i get it, mircea_popescu is considerably more familiar with the 'rot yer body, rot yer mind', 'clean the bath 1,001 times' sort of dope user.
asciilifeform: vs erdos.
asciilifeform: dun change the fact.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-05#1477470 << let's leave the last thread here as cheap alternative to redoing...
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 15:26 asciilifeform: observe how nobody's about to legalize the performance dopes.
asciilifeform bbl, food
deedbot: [Bingo Blog] Why You Should Have Been Reading And Writing Qntra This Whole Time - http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/08/04/why-you-should-have-been-reading-and-writing-qntra-this-whole-time/
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "(Visited 38 times, 1 visits today)" holy shit that's a sad fate for an otherwise entertainingly (if superficially) penned piece.
BingoBoingo: welcome to the internet full of shit
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/sxJUF << In case of DDoS the why QNtra piece
shinohai: I did it for the lulz.
mircea_popescu: is your blog not responding bb ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Suddenly since piece published responding... slow...
mircea_popescu: a here it is.
BingoBoingo eventually will get it proper hosting and just convert site to a static archived thing
deedbot: accepted: 1
deedbot: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot: accepted: 1
ben_vulpes: $key mod6
asciilifeform pictures crew of kriegsmarine sub arranged for group photo on deck, to this song
mircea_popescu: well... no, this is 70s basf stuff.
asciilifeform: for some value of this
mircea_popescu: there was actually a ton of this saccharine bs in the period.
mircea_popescu: $google bettina und patricia
deedbot: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls-3JMQlJXQ << Bettina Patricia Jung und Frech YouTube - YouTube | http://www.bettina-patricia.de/ << Bettina und Patricia / Home | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8a2glfcRRw << Bettina & Patricia - Jung und frech - YouTube
asciilifeform: there was, and prolly still is, a bunch of ru-speaking, largely 18th c. hussar-flavoured variant of it
mircea_popescu: i expect so yeah
asciilifeform: reading old logz, linked earlier, turned up another 'flycheck' -- 'gnu taler'
a111: Logged on 2016-06-05 17:05 asciilifeform: 'We are building an anonymous, taxable payment system using modern cryptography. Customers will use traditional money transfers to send money to a digital Exchange and in return receive (anonymized) digital cash. Customers can use this digital cash to anonymously pay Merchants. Merchants can redeem the digital cash for traditional money at the digital Exchange. As Merchants are not anonymous, they can be taxed, enabling income or sal
mircea_popescu: lol totally.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the salt clearly burns.
asciilifeform: if the slugs are turning up thinner, it is not apparent to my naked eye.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: say hi to the kako for me
asciilifeform: i had nfi that he reads yer site.
mats: shhh its kako being sneaky
mats: i did also notice he's a big fan of the 'qntra is slashdot repost' line
asciilifeform: fella's got ~3 lines.
asciilifeform: on rotation.
asciilifeform: mats: as typified by today's #b-a
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo maybe consider adding a frame breaker ?
mircea_popescu: there's a model on trilema.
mircea_popescu: o wait, apparently it's actually yet another archiver.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you like this one better ?
asciilifeform: the one with the chix vaginally rocketing column of white thermonyookyoolar phire?
asciilifeform: quite definitely.
mircea_popescu: the what now ?!
asciilifeform: i got 'lucky' with the ad rotator
mircea_popescu: if they weren't on efnet i might even have dropped in for a hi.
mircea_popescu: oh i suppose that's just a blur-out
mircea_popescu: incidentally, idiot local glossmag had pic of i forget which celeb and her 11 or so yo daughter. who was, fitting for a child that age in summer, topless.
mircea_popescu: except the idiots blurred out her eyes, making the whole thing look INCREDIBLYT dirty.
asciilifeform: 'Google Groups: "Gone within a year" (SketchCow, 2016-06-07).'
asciilifeform: ^ has been ~entirely broken for eons
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: say hi to the kako for me << Common divorce phenomenon. Parents generally resent the children whose affections continue to follow the other parent.
shinohai: Good week for qntra
mircea_popescu: damn they slow.
mircea_popescu: doubt it
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 582.23, vol: 8637.04386390 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 576.011, vol: 5876.57462 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 568.98186, vol: 189973.57130000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 585.5, vol: 2825.33834335 | Volume-weighted last average: 569.958170347
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform oh btw, discussion in #eulora reminded me : peano, a very respectable LITERATE mathematician, did in fact chase cantor's counterintuitve result, did in fact find a unit interval to unit space mapping, DID in fact construct a fucking tile to decorate his house, but did NOT put any fucking drawings in his work explaining how to make a non-zone-differentiable function.
mircea_popescu: SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE, and in his own words, "pictographic understanding is not understanding"
mircea_popescu: is this re ethereum ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: can i get a re-link to mp-wp.tar.gz?
a111: Logged on 2016-07-03 19:37 mircea_popescu: phf http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/wp-mptargz.gpg << it's all there ; run a grep over the files for "fill your own" to see what you need to add ; you'll also need a theme (goes in /wp-content ) and obviously a mysql db.
ben_vulpes was afk at the time of the original party
mircea_popescu: wouldn't have helped you anyway ; it was keyed to the people who asked.
mircea_popescu: best get phf's variant, iirc he fixed a bunch of stuff.
mircea_popescu: he announces it that same day/early the next
ben_vulpes: phf: did you ever release the original sources to which your mp-wp patches apply? i scanned a few days of logs and didn't see anything other than the wp-content and a few patches.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: did you ever get mp-wp running and fit for sharting around?
mircea_popescu: a right, that's prolly the right reference, since shinohai was working on it.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: can ye share the sources?
shinohai: sure ben vulpes, hang tite
ben_vulpes: sweet
shinohai: $key ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: WE WAIT
ben_vulpes: ty, procured.
ben_vulpes off for the evening
mircea_popescu: "Testing RSA keys after generation is a fool's quest. This is a nice thing to do to detect some poor implementations, not poor keys. Moreover, it detects only certain classes of poor keys (specifically, those with small factors). It does not detect poorly seeded RNG used in an otherwise correct RSA private key generation." << god i love reading year-old webwisdom/community consensusi.
mircea_popescu: almost as good as reading year-old "intelligent commentary" in various fishwrappers
ben_vulpes: > tinymce
ben_vulpes: TRIGGERED
mircea_popescu: what is that thing even ?
mircea_popescu: Moduli with Obvious Brain-Damage: 235229 << dear god.
a111: Logged on 2016-08-05 00:40 mircea_popescu: "Testing RSA keys after generation is a fool's quest. This is a nice thing to do to detect some poor implementations, not poor keys. Moreover, it detects only certain classes of poor keys (specifically, those with small factors). It does not detect poorly seeded RNG used in an otherwise correct RSA private key generation." << god i love reading year-old webwisdom/community consensusi.
asciilifeform: also phuctor, even in the 2013 earliest version, was never limited to 'small factors' wtf.
asciilifeform: dafuq was even being smoked by this commenter?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-05#1515085 << this includes perhaps 1/5 of Framedragger's mods thus far
a111: Logged on 2016-08-05 00:50 mircea_popescu: Moduli with Obvious Brain-Damage: 235229 << dear god.
asciilifeform: (largely due to 'e==35')
asciilifeform: there are also massive dupe armies, by the thousand.
asciilifeform: (as reported by various folks in earlier years, but afaik never exhaustively catalogued publicly)
BingoBoingo: "btcfork.consider.it" << AHA Toomim is in on the latest fork noise!
shinohai: what a shocker
BingoBoingo: The list online in their ADVERTISED freenode channel at the moment is... myself, hostfat, spunky, and luke-jr
BingoBoingo: And I left, now there are 3
shinohai: they probably have a "slack"
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/1aTP
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: http://www.vesti.ru/doc.html?id=2783535 << pinoy huntin' licenses - apparently - for sale.
BingoBoingo: ty shinohai
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cool
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wtf i just read.
asciilifeform: which wtf
deedbot: [Qntra] Bitfinex Embraces Socialism In Losing - http://qntra.net/2016/08/bitfinex-embraces-socialism-in-losing/
asciilifeform: it was umpeenth ignoramus who discussed phuctorable keyz without reference to phuctor?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wanna bet they'll be right back trying to trade while insolvent, shtylman style ?
asciilifeform: *umpteenth
mircea_popescu: and the imbeciles will lap it all up like they lap up ~any sort of lsop ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Tis the way of their codebase!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hey, they got lenstra.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is isn't it!
BingoBoingo: HISTORY RHYMES!!!
mircea_popescu: yeah. with dick.
mircea_popescu: ok that's epic.
mircea_popescu: today, pinoy get license to kill any druggies, tomorrow usians get license to kill any ex-"usg".
shinohai: Yet another exchange showing the signs of imminent demise.
mod6: <+shinohai> mod6 was gonna add one to tbot or something << yeah, will need to get to that...
mod6: mircea_popescu sings "i did it one step at a time, and it didn't cost me a dime... i got the only one there is around" << lol, great song.
mod6: how's tmsr~ today, gentlemen?
shinohai: The republic shines over her enemies another week.
mod6: im gonna get myself a new box one of these days.
mod6: then im gonna put african on it and let it just foxy bot just harvest 24/7
BingoBoingo: ty, shinohai on a roll
mod6: excited for that
mod6: keep up the good work, gentlemen
mod6: speaking of which; wanna help the foundation test V99994 of the build script? let me know.
shinohai: just pm me im on board
mod6: ;;later tell pete_dushenski wanna help test V99994 build script?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: danielpbarron, let me know if you have spare cycles too ^
mod6: hanbot?
mod6: shinohai: yup. you really already passed the thing. feel free to re-test at-will, also, to help others who may need it.
mod6: basically, one can follow the instrutions here: http://thebitcoin.foundation/trb-howto.html
deedbot: [Qntra] Magnr Pauses Trading Stirring Worry - http://qntra.net/2016/08/magnr-pauses-trading-stirring-worry/
mod6: with the exception that they'll need the URL to the testing version of V99994
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah not bad idea. i have a box playing eulora all day long
mircea_popescu: i fucking love mining with the new foxybot
mod6: i'm kindof an asshole right now - I told diana_coman that I'd play more this year, just need to get a new box first. that was... months ago. :/
mod6: so I need to pony up.
shinohai: i just haven't been able to get eulora-level machinery yet
mod6: its a bunch of fun. and there's jerbs to be had (as some players will hire you) and/or money to be made.
mod6: it's a good time to start too, because, iirc land (ownership?) is coming soon too.
adlai: what level is eulora-level?
mod6: (thought i read that, might be wrong)
shinohai: ive put most of my resources into stable www machine lol
mod6: adlai: i run it with an asus laptop with an i5 and whatever onboard pos graphics card (intel) comes with it.
mod6: with african os
shinohai: `eulora-level` being certainly something better than my current i5
BingoBoingo wonders when review of new Eulora release is coming in...
shinohai: www box is ibm server w/ no grafix
adlai: heh, google is smarter than expected:
adlai: ;;google african os linux
gribble: Ubuntu ( operating system ) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system)>; List of Linux distributions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Linux_distributions>; About Ubuntu | Ubuntu: <http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu>
mod6: lol, everyone knows
mod6: if someone where so inclined, i bet there could be a text-only eulora client created.
mod6: maybe even discussed previously? can't recall, but that'd be sweet. just connect, issue some coords and commands and let it rip.
adlai: it's been mentioned although nobody but me expressed any interest; and i'd want familiarity with the regular client first, anyways
asciilifeform interested
mod6: sure.
adlai thought asciilifeform preferred to play with toys & pets in the physical realm!
asciilifeform: usually yes.
mircea_popescu: mod6 not like it's mandatory or anything. leisure!
mod6: oh for sure. much fun to be had.
mircea_popescu: shinohai what level is that ? im running it on a box from like ... 2005 i think
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo possibly danielpbarron is cooking one
mircea_popescu: shinohai ah that's your thing then, no gfx card. so pick up something for 20 bux, it'll carry.
BingoBoingo: Cool, it is something someone other than myself has to bake.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah there was some talk of making a text client. maybe jurov was considering it iirc ? anyway, eventually one'll definitely exist.
mircea_popescu: adlai oh was it you ? anyway i recall alf wanted one. was entire thread about this.
adlai: !s eulora emacs
gribble: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
adlai: $s eulora emacs
shinohai: text client would be most excellent
mod6: ah, yeah maybe jurov was talkin about it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai the foxybot could prolly be expanded into an actual text client. it has methods to interact with the world mostly written.
mod6: the gfx part is certainly part of the exp.; however, if one was to do a lot of bot work, txt would suit just fine.
mircea_popescu: for instance right now, i actually used the bot to take me to the mining spot, because it does the table trick
mircea_popescu: which you know, otherwise dragging the materials there by hand...
mod6: ah, right. auto-pilot
mircea_popescu: would be trivial to expand its console commands to cover ~everything in game
mircea_popescu: mod6 no, no, see now it prevents you from getting overweight when mining through dropping a craft table. it's a thing of wonder
mod6: oooh. coolness.
mod6: that was always a thing. having to run back to town to store loot
mircea_popescu: the client IS pretty gnarly. but as the bot did most of the interfacing work already, it's not THAt bad.
hanbot: <mod6> speaking of which; wanna help the foundation test V99994 of the build script? let me know. << soitenly, will slip it into the weekend
mircea_popescu: mod6 curious who gets the next pop, too hehe
mod6: yeah, every explore is exciting in that way.
mod6: you never know.
mircea_popescu: iirc danielpbarron got that sizable barehanded, too.
mod6: !
mod6: thats awesome actually.
mircea_popescu: remarkables being in the millions of ecu range, this is who knows, possibly close to a btc.
mod6: *nod*
mircea_popescu: i had been crafting for many months, but now esp with the new mining bot expansions i think ima do some serious mining.
mircea_popescu: got a few stacks of lbn to marry.
mod6: thinking back to the pre-bot days, it is quite remarkable to let it just run and it does everything for you.
mircea_popescu: for srs.
mod6: my arm would srsly get tired after a few hours.
mod6: lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, then recall the xmacro days ?
mod6: AH
mod6: indeed.
mircea_popescu: so tenuous.
mod6: had forgotten about that.
mircea_popescu: im sitting here watching it dig up tinies as we speak :D
mod6: nice.
mod6: bot works great still
mod6: what's the deal with 'size'? i put in 'small' seems to be happy. *shrug*
mircea_popescu: which size ?
mod6: oh, its (newer?) bot option i think?
mod6: i got it working. maybe you tell it which size you're willing to build on the fly...
mircea_popescu: i use something like /bot explore 55555 line 25 1 7 7500 8500
mircea_popescu: but if you /bot help it'll explain what's what.
mod6: ah, thx
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