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a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 04:02 BingoBoingo: Remember when ben_vulpes had free time? http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/12_crs-on-btc-notes-and-jokes.html
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes you have #b-a links in blog
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo basically republican niggers want to represent, but nobody in particular.
thestringpuller: even with new code blockchain is fractured
thestringpuller: looks like power outage killed it?
thestringpuller: can I just re build blockchain index? << mod6
thestringpuller: ;;later tell mod6 ^^^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: thestringpuller: if there's a problem with blockchain/index, better start from the beginning or known good backup
thestringpuller: jurov: looks like I'm rebootstrapping from ground 0
thestringpuller: guess node will be ready in 2 months
thestringpuller: http://pastebin.com/CCGUBgDG << the attacker is threatening to use loawyers
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484457 <<< do you have pogo or spare hdd to rsync chain to ?
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 11:09 thestringpuller: guess node will be ready in 2 months
thestringpuller: shinohai: issue is more that blkindex is corrupted
thestringpuller: so i don't think it will sync to current. this was due to power outage. (i've done kill -9, so i'd assume same effect?)
thestringpuller: ^^^- that is I don't think it will send or ask for new blocks...it's "stuck" permanently.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller make a habit of keeping a backup of the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: not quite news yet. Anyone can make a pastebin. Also batteries
mircea_popescu: awww, no longer 2 bitcent to the ether ? whay socialist miracles never last!!!11
mircea_popescu blames the jews.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 749.55, vol: 5320.24830455 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 724.014, vol: 6083.47776 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 752.54, vol: 52167.10303816 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 675.0, vol: 0.93071807 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 760.8478, vol: 48591.04150000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 755.996, vol: 4414.19933683 | Volume-weighted last average: 754.507996511
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 416867 | Current Difficulty: 1.9606142393964996E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 417311 | Next Difficulty In: 444 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 23 hours, 31 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: yea next time it syncs i'll back it up for sure to multiple drives.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: But seriously bitcoind can be rather sensitive to sudden loss of power. Machine running it needs plugged into a battery.
mircea_popescu: added a ps too. aaanyways.
thestringpuller: it's funny.
thestringpuller: ethereum bragged about how commoonitee was unified
thestringpuller: now big ether holders are PISSED
thestringpuller: and buterin is freaking out cause if they don't like the "hackers" coins, they can't move to PoS
thestringpuller: s/like/lock/
mircea_popescu: you telling me the whole entire field of usgtronic plans collapsed suddenly and irretrievably one fine morning ?
mircea_popescu: BUT WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY PREDICTED!
deedbot: [Qntra] You Aren't Ready For Smart Contracts - http://qntra.net/2016/06/you-arent-ready-for-smart-contracts/
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/2016/06/guccifer2-16-0618.zip << claims to be moar docz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot: [Trilema] To the DAO and the Ethereum community : Fuck you. - http://trilema.com/2016/to-the-dao-and-the-ethereum-community-fuck-you/
asciilifeform: lel did mircea_popescu personally behead ? or is this a mirror
asciilifeform: btw footnote 1 of http://trilema.com/2013/ripple-the-definitive-discussion seems to be the tidbit i was looking for in the last thread re jed mccaleb
asciilifeform: the no. 2 funder of yudkowsky's scam
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484469 << i have this but it is not cheap (raid5, card with own battery, daily verifications, giant ups, etc)
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 14:58 mircea_popescu: expecting a 100s of GB datastore produced through the fragile stack known as bitcoin to survive for years intact is a bit much.
asciilifeform: the long-term answer is a ~journaling~ 'bitcoinfs.'
mircea_popescu: as stated in teh logs yeh
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 11:34 Framedragger: transcript of one of his talks http://idlewords.com/talks/website_obesity.htm
asciilifeform: gimme back the '90s www.
shinohai: I'm using my unused pogo as datastore for it xD
BingoBoingo: shinohai: ty for an article that draws out so many comments qntra.net/2016/06/buterins-waterfall-unveils-log-plume-to-wood-chipper-ride/
shinohai: the lulz were bound to spill from that one on it's own
thestringpuller: ethereum is plummeting
thestringpuller: everyone is waking up and selling holy fuck
mircea_popescu: o check it out, lost a whole dollar since trilema article. one more and it's under 10.
mircea_popescu: aaand trading 0.0137 btc nao. aww!
asciilifeform: l0l! nailing the doors shut didn't help?!111
thestringpuller: i know right!
thestringpuller: he halted all trading
thestringpuller: what does he expect?
thestringpuller: how to kill a 1.5bn dollar bubble overnight, the buterin waterfall story
shinohai: ETH: -32.80 % DAO: -49.42 %
mod6: asciilifeform: hey (i think I've asked this before) but; the blkcut utility doesn't allow a guy to exacto-knife one block out of a blkindex file does it?
asciilifeform: to the -moon !
asciilifeform: mod6: no, because it is an O(N) operation
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
asciilifeform: but you can trivially add a feature that skips n blocks
mod6: well, im kinda trying to .. lol in a short cut way (without having to try to actually use it)
mod6: im got my hands full. am asking for thestringpuller who seems to be struggling
asciilifeform: there's nothing else to do but looks at every block up to N and wind forward s bytes
asciilifeform: mod6: easiest thing is just to set extract = 1 only when n = B, where B is the block you want.
mod6: ok. cool. yeah, was thinking it'd be cool if we could get his blockchain height, say 408,001 and then chop off the last say, 1000 blocks so he'd be starting at 407,001
mod6: maybe that'd fix his problem.
mod6: thestringpuller: anyway, i get that you're "pissed" as you said the other day. if this is production server, you need to have some sort of backups indeed imo. if this is development, well, it's all part of the fun.
shinohai: \o/ yay for fun
thestringpuller: mod6: np. i just nuked and paved
thestringpuller: so i'll jus tstart synching from ascii's node then i'll swap out for SSD once it picks up
thestringpuller: then we go from there
thestringpuller: i don't think anything was wrong with that build just power outage corruption.
thestringpuller: no biggie
mircea_popescu: aaaand 9.96
mod6: i think others have had problems with the same exact thing. power goes out -> bad things may happen.
mod6: i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
shinohai: I can usually sync from backup, chop last blkxxx.dat and catch right back up pretty quick
thestringpuller: damn. i should have tried that
thestringpuller: never again. we pay for our lessons.
mod6: s/in the future/after adding a feature/
mod6: shinohai has it.
mod6: you could just ditch the entire latest one (numerically)
mod6: but it'd be a much better tool to just produce a new file with all blocks in the original previous to block n.
mod6: so if your block index goes from 385,000 to 408,000, you could tell it "407,000" and then the output would contain everything from 385,000 to 407,000
mod6: something like that. does this make sense?
mod6: asciilifeform?
thestringpuller: good advice for the future.
thestringpuller: thx shinohai mod6
mod6: sorry i've been afk much of the week. have been pulling super long days shit-shoveling.
mod6: was so glad to finally be done, as of 5 minutes ago. but now, have to go clean gutters :/
mod6: i'll be back around later. best of luck thestringpuller
thestringpuller: np. it's a matter of time
asciilifeform: mod6: was eating food, back
mod6: asciilifeform: ok. im thinking about a new feature for your tool, or perhaps, a new tool altogether.
mod6: was wondering if it makes some sense to do that.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484545 << pretty sure it is the ~index~ that gets hosed, not the blocks
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 16:15 mod6: i may try to find some time yet this weekend to take a look at this blkcut thing -- this may be away to roll life saving numbers on your block chain after a power outage in the future.
mircea_popescu: mod6 dun worry eh, teh republic's eternal.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform has it though. bdb keeps a rather dubious index structure.
mod6: ah, right.
mod6: hmm.
mod6: this is almost worth me like creating a development environment where I can take a copy of chain and just do some playing around on there. even with a broken chain.
mod6: maybe there is something that can be written to heal the index.
mod6: bdb is such a pile of crap.
mats: more advice for the future: buy a ups.
mod6: i'll think on this a bit while scraping biological gunk out of metal things.
mod6: mats: werd
asciilifeform: mats: this doesn't solve the problem in a guaranteed way, as the thing has been known to crash
asciilifeform: (elementarily - oom)
asciilifeform: mod6 is cleaning a pig farm or wut
mod6: gutters
mircea_popescu: slaughterhouse lol
mod6: heheh, someday when i buy the hog and cattle farms
asciilifeform: lel is that toilet plunger ?
mircea_popescu: nah, drill bit.
mod6: "here, try this rubber popsicle"
asciilifeform: mmmhgmhmhm.
mod6: heheh
mod6: alright wish me luck
asciilifeform hasn't looked at alt-turds for eons, now somewhat astonished
asciilifeform: 'maidsafe' is still alive ?!
asciilifeform: and even litecoin
asciilifeform: or is this more of a 'that is not dead which can eternal lie'
mircea_popescu: butofcourse.
mircea_popescu: nothing ever truly dies, just falls to the bottommost layer of the dumb ocean.
asciilifeform: 'doge' lives.
mircea_popescu: hey, even ripple is still there. "one day".
asciilifeform: dafuq is a 'factom'
asciilifeform: or 'dash' (0.1 btc even ?!)
mircea_popescu: well, these numbers are a) arbitrary and b) unbacked.
asciilifeform: eh you can prolly buy ~handful~ for the advertised quote
asciilifeform: salt lick for homo redditicus
mircea_popescu: hey, redditards & mit CREATE WEALTH!
thestringpuller: so the mineres may not
thestringpuller: enforce the soft fork, and let the dao holder suffer.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-17 14:08 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform next, watch the usg agents derping about how "cryptocurrency is dead because our shitscheme imploded" ; and once that goes nowhere, watch them come back to bitcoin to "fix" the "consensus problems" it "has".
mircea_popescu: BUT WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED~
mircea_popescu gloats over how his lines read better retrospectively than prospectively. THIS is true literature, and i doubt very much one in a hundred "genius writers" and other revered authors of yore qualify.
mircea_popescu: check out all teh butthurt.
asciilifeform: ninjashogun's del key broke or wut
asciilifeform: or he went out to put moar petrol in the 2-cycle unhappenator motor.
asciilifeform: $up daoattacker
deedbot: daoattacker voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: deedbot you're leaking ip.
daoattacker: thanks for the trilema mircea_popescu
daoattacker: what's hilarious is that the signature isn't even valid
mircea_popescu: how did you check ?
daoattacker: but I wrote the pastebin, the signature is fake ;)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re alts from earlier thread, seems like usg already just now picked successor turdcoin: https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2016/06/17/st-awards-199k-austin-based-factom-inc-iot-systems-security
mircea_popescu: 200k, not the sort of commitment worth the chase.
asciilifeform: (mega-pile-of-cash! will buy 1 brogrammer)
mircea_popescu: let 'em pump it to an imaginary billion fiats and get all politically invested in it first, naimean.
daoattacker: btw fuck you mircea_popescu, but enemy of my enemy is my friend <3
mircea_popescu: mmmkay...
asciilifeform: daoattacker: why use a fake signature ?
daoattacker: asciilifeform, because i'm not the attacker, LOL. yet people ate it up.
smickles: it was delicious
asciilifeform: that was the suggested lul yes
thestringpuller: fud is the fuel of volatility
thestringpuller: let the price plummet
mircea_popescu: $up realdaoattacker
deedbot: realdaoattacker voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: don't tell me, let me guess...
realdaoattacker: Thanks for the article in Trilema mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
asciilifeform: we're waiting for evenmoardefinitelyundoubtedlyrealdaoattacker
mircea_popescu: you're welcome, now drop your xkcd or 9gag or whatever an' move on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the advantage of crypto - it allows one to make absolute statements, but people dunno how to use it, so it at least gives them something to talk about.
asciilifeform: like mains current in 1880
mircea_popescu: the only thing worse than having something to talk about being not having something to talk about.
asciilifeform: drunks could grab hold of the wire and become phamous
asciilifeform: as they sizzled, sizzled.
asciilifeform: the parallels are astonishingly close and i've thought about writing whole monograph about it
asciilifeform: (roughly in the vein of paragraph1 of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1108 )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is rather notable though that the largest threat perceived by muppets and their drivers alike is "mp doing things". far, FAR above you know, their shitpile collapsing in a loud mess, the ONE thing that's worth expending the unhappeningium is, mp!
asciilifeform: usg muppets are somewhat like roaches, except peculiarly intelligent ones which ~know about ddt~
mircea_popescu: slutty wife prays "god, let me be pregnant or not, but in either case please don't let my husband figure out HOW". socialist prays "god, let the etherape happen or not, but in either case please don't let THE BAD GUY have done things!"
asciilifeform: the ur-threat to muppet is the man of will
asciilifeform: so naturally that's where all of the squid ink must be directed.
mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy though. i certainly had a nice saturday morning
mircea_popescu: and when i finally croak ima go to saint peter an' say loudly an' clearly "what are you droning on about, old man, i didn't do nuttin'. ASK ANYONE!"
mircea_popescu: win-win, as they say.
asciilifeform: ^ this still dun do nuffin, eh
mircea_popescu: well... it can be searched for...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd read your first work of anthropology, re mains.
asciilifeform: perhaps in peacetime - i will write.
mircea_popescu: $up Bugpowder
deedbot: Bugpowder voiced for 30 minutes.
Bugpowder: tx mp
mircea_popescu: $gettrust deedbot Bugpowder
deedbot: L1: 0, L2: 2 by 2 connections.
mircea_popescu: you can self-voice, pm the bot $up then $v
Bugpowder: gotta grab keys off old laptop...
Bugpowder: only if signed into WoT?
deedbot: fm0 voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder yes, you must be in the bot's wot.
Bugpowder: not gribble tho, but deedbot? New bot. Can u point me to faq if one exists.
mircea_popescu: hmm, lesee here
Bugpowder: Now to pull the keys off the old machine… Hey it turned on, a good sign!
Bugpowder: list keys gives a graveyard of fails… e.g. Kludge
mircea_popescu: $up cryptoflood
deedbot: cryptoflood voiced for 30 minutes.
Bugpowder: That guy… oh man
Bugpowder: Keys recovered. Now should only take me 2-8 more hours to figure out how to setup gpg and ident…
jurov: O.o 2-8 hours
mircea_popescu: Bugpowder btw, there's no ident. we got rid of state. all you do is decrypt a message.
mircea_popescu: and once you do it, be a darling and put a page on the wiki, for the next guy.
Bugpowder: ok… uhhh… I’ll ask more questions once i got gpg running and I get stuk. tx
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema servers can apparently take 100k surges without even hiccuping. nb.
Framedragger: > realdaoattacker [ba17b74e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.23.183.78] entered the room.
Framedragger: > curl ipinfo.io/186.23.183.78
Framedragger: [...] "city": "Buenos Aires", [...] "country": "AR"
Framedragger: konspiraci!!!
mircea_popescu: Framedragger word!
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many internet urchins are being "the attacker" rightnao
mircea_popescu: oh i mean, rightdao
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: btw just fyi that sig on that pastebin post is probably all wrong, https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/4oo1io/an_open_letter_from_the_hacker/d4e7efq - just sayin
Framedragger: heheh.
Framedragger: not that it matters, to a point
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 17:21 mircea_popescu: how did you check ?
Framedragger: ooh imma read upthread, didn't see that bit
Framedragger: oh wow everything's even more lulsy. awesome.
asciilifeform: also wtf, buterin hired some imbecile to write the dao thing?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lulz of all time : the thing you linked links to qntra via a NOT CLICKABLE reference to https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2s2utx/the_hard_fork_missile_crisis/cnlqcd
mircea_popescu: must suck to want to matter THIS BADLY and yet not be able to
Framedragger: asciilifeform: and apparently this particular "such recursion" flaw had already been spotted in a 2015 securiti audit? https://github.com/LeastAuthority/ethereum-analyses/blob/master/GasEcon.md#callstack-depth-limit-errors
Framedragger: "Someone could trick an autonomous agent into calling get_free_money() at the end of a very long call stack, such that thesend fails, and the agent would lose its money to this contract." etc
asciilifeform: i confess to never having given enough of a fuck re the eth circus to keep track in real time. but fortunately ~somebody~ did...
mircea_popescu: fortunately.
Framedragger: same, honestly, this has been uncovered only now, but, like, wtf, it's right there in a security audit, wtf
Framedragger: you know, not even that obscure
mircea_popescu: really, the claim is that buterin and the MIT are mongoloids.
asciilifeform: i guess everybody else went 'not worth a bullet'
mircea_popescu: not that o noes, this was such a great skillfully involved etc "hack"
Framedragger: i just find it amusing in general, yeah pointing out not as a contra, but, just, for the lulz
shinohai: Is this daoattacker fr ... BA ?
Framedragger: shinohai: runaway side effect of turing complete contracts. some a.i. leakage unavoidable.
Framedragger: wow im not gonna read all of it but https://github.com/LeastAuthority/ethereum-analyses/blob/master/GasEcon.md is amusing, ethereum is sorta shite on the purely technical level, too
Framedragger behind on the news
shinohai: ^ lo
asciilifeform: duplicate
shinohai: Interesting that so many "news sources" shat out same interview all at once.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger so it is.
mircea_popescu: shinohai this is ~the result of google existing, basically.
shinohai: ctrl+v
Framedragger: > soon we will have a smart contract to reward miners who oppose the soft fork and mines the transaction. 1 million ether + 100 btc will be shared with miners.
Framedragger: *popcorn*
mircea_popescu: $up DaoSancho
deedbot: DaoSancho voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: ima go pick up a slut, will be back in a few hours. just in case any gavin andresen implementations feel the burning need to derp here.
Framedragger: mircea_popescu: "fuck your village" thanks for the lols :D
mod6: gutters are clean.
mod6: wewt
mod6: anyone else ever used this?
mod6: or looked at it?
shinohai: I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first
mod6: yeah, looks like it. thought maybe i'd learn a thing or two by reading this code.
mod6: "As of this writing, it needs a log of RAM to work, typically upwards of 25Gigs." :D
mod6: but like i said, something to be learned from this maybe
shinohai: shouldn't this be possible to an extent with dumpblock ?
mod6: im on the same thought track - yeah.
shinohai: I'll start poking it with stick.
mod6: no need really.
mod6: just thinking about this stuff... food for thought
mircea_popescu: sooo... apple "withholds" "tech aid" from trump campaign. best fucking thing that ever happened to those people, not being bogged down by macs & shit.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-18#1484769 << lol this has gotta be a gag, it is just too lulzy
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 20:57 mircea_popescu: and in today's lulz offering for asciilifeform , http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1325398/Euro-court-outlaws-criticism-of-EU.html
mircea_popescu: well, telegraph.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 20:33 shinohai: I used it one time a long time ago, it has to go through the WHOLE chain first
shinohai: I'll wind most anything up once to see if it wobbles.
mircea_popescu: Framedragger i always thought the reference there must be "idiot's village".
mats: ;;seen jurov
gribble: jurov was last seen in #trilema 3 hours, 49 minutes, and 33 seconds ago: <jurov> O.o 2-8 hours
mircea_popescu: that schmuck's still around even ?
thestringpuller: he even had a dao proposal
mircea_popescu: derp is something else. his "speaking skills" ? "expertise" ?
mircea_popescu: does it take some sort of skill and expertise to be loudly wrong about everything you say and collect a whole trophycase of "that one time i was so ridiculous people laughed at me for a week" ?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, even twitter's tearing him a new one. lol. mmmmkay. EXPERTISE!
asciilifeform: betcha he collects payola.
mircea_popescu: well of course, he exists because the asshole behind ers&co's "we'll get UBER RICH by backstabbing rms", the one with the shoddy "guide" textbook publishing scam, promoted him way back when.
mircea_popescu: kinda the strategy of that mini usg, "find pliable idiots in all fields, promote them, get payola when/if nsa needs some planting done"
asciilifeform: it is of course possible that he works, but i can't picture this.
mircea_popescu: there was a pretty decent monograph on how the early days of "open source" vs "free software" played out, with the wanna-be derp front and center, i think linked in the logs.
mircea_popescu: dja happen to recall it ?
mircea_popescu: nah nah. the books guy
asciilifeform: oreilly?
mircea_popescu: what's his name, some steve jobs wannabe
asciilifeform: $s oreilly
a111: Logged on 2015-01-11 03:50 mircea_popescu: i don't propose that rms "shouldn't have" or that fsf shouldn't have been or anything of the sort. but really, the pretense that at some point the situation seriously was, red pill vs blue pill and o'reilly of all people tricked everyone into getting the wrong pill...
asciilifeform: i always thought that oreilley - the dead tree thing - were purely opportunistic
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform absolutely, yeah.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like any weed, trying to go in empty land
asciilifeform: not that the man isn't a snake
asciilifeform: but he printed andreas because 1,000,001 chumps were ready to buy, not because prb necessarily.
mircea_popescu: which is the story here. derpopo's o'reilly's point man in "cryptoblockchainaltechnologies" after being kicked the fuck out of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: (nobody could have predicted&it never happened etc)
mircea_popescu: he printed for the same reason vc generally prints : "gotta have finger in all pies you never know which you want later".
mircea_popescu: 0 to do with demand, which a) doesn't exist and b) is ALWAYS marketing driven anywa.
mircea_popescu: or what, you think anyone WANTED to read the fucking harry potter nonsense ?
asciilifeform: nfi, i never did...
asciilifeform: i'd rather read us state dept memis from 1940s.
asciilifeform: or - what i'm reading now, under a shade tree in middle of town - fusor schematics.
asciilifeform: mega-recommended, and moar interesting than folks think
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'demand doesn't exist' << is this naggum's binders thing ??
asciilifeform: $s ring binders
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 16:56 asciilifeform: 'what people “want” is a function of what they learn is available. e.g., do Americans want three-ring binders, and Europeans four-ring binders? or do they want binders and take whatever number of holes they come with? or do they want something that can help them organize their papers and take whatever is available? or do they really want a less cluttered office and ease of storage and retrieval of the infor
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mostly, yeah/
mircea_popescu: personally i'm much more invested in beheading the schmuck over the "web 2.0" bullshit than whatever foss drama.
mircea_popescu: someone somewhere absolutely has to hang for "web 2.0"
asciilifeform: netscape / jwz.
mircea_popescu: no, as a general rule drones hang for what they are, queens hang for what they did. there's really little other than "he's jwz" needed to hang jwz.
shinohai: http://vessenes.com/ <<< out of nowhere PETER VESSENES Ladies and Gentleman!
mircea_popescu: another bitcoin scammer moved on to altcoins ?
asciilifeform: in other lulz, 'weeds must spread' apparently encompasses every possible thing: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fusion_woo
mircea_popescu: ugly fucker, too.
asciilifeform: yudkowsky & co 'debunk' any un-usgtronic item they can think of
mircea_popescu: where's all these ugly schmucks come from. check out frank luntz for a nightmare sometime.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought they weren't active no moar ?
asciilifeform: lw is largely cold
asciilifeform: but the inhabitants spread elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: that said, there's a bunch of crap floating around cold fusion. a sort of quantum computing.
asciilifeform: plays ~same role as 'chemtrails'
asciilifeform: (largely propagated by naturally-occurring idiots, but usg wins from their existence and sometimes throws a bone, ensuring that their voice will be loud and clear in any nominally 'deviant' forum)
asciilifeform: sorta how 'aliens did it' folk unfailingly appear in all '9-11 truth' discussions.
mircea_popescu: depends where.
mircea_popescu: not all venues are created equal.
asciilifeform: anywhere public / wotless.
mircea_popescu: well sure.
mircea_popescu: and the "call X for cocksucking" notices unfailingly appear in all public restrooms
mircea_popescu: (except in fucking argentina, these people are too mentally slow to even that.)
asciilifeform: an interesting exercise, for patient folks, is to follow the usg tendrils backwards in time, observing what subjects had been dealt with by seeding public forum with crank bait, long before 'blocksizs wars' etc.
asciilifeform: fusion pops up as one such. there were many other subjs.
asciilifeform: 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel
smickles: oh what a fun looking command
smickles: $s moon
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is absolutely no "consensus" re early physics. there';s at least a dozen articulated theories, maybe broadly classifiable in 3-4 groups.
mircea_popescu: the only conensus would be of esltards and junior high unionized teachers.
asciilifeform: for ustards there is ALWAYS a 'consensus'.
asciilifeform: 'what ted talk said' --> konsensooos.
asciilifeform: climatolade, etc.
mircea_popescu: if only. xckd & 9gag more like it.
asciilifeform: tendrils of the squid.
shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-18 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re alts from earlier thread, seems like usg already just now picked successor turdcoin: https://www.dhs.gov/science-and-technology/news/2016/06/17/st-awards-199k-austin-based-factom-inc-iot-systems-security
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:23 shinohai: lol Factom up 44.97 % iisn't that the company you mentioned earlier asciilifeform
asciilifeform: usgolade.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-19#1484865 << the zombies' notion of 'substance' is quite the same 'palace economy' as their concept of, e.g., political legitimacy - a magical juice produced at harvard and distributed to the mandarins and from there down to 'deserving' plebes.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-19 01:29 hanbot: <asciilifeform> 'Additional criticism is levied at the group's leader, Eric Lerner, for his rejection of the mainstream consensus regarding the Big Bang, which leads to more doubt as to the group's legitimacy.' << lel << wtf is a "mainstream consensus" even, other'n subconscious acknowledgement of the utter lack of substance contained in what they'd like to be seen as doing, anyway.
mircea_popescu: sorta like moses with his magical black box
mircea_popescu: also das ist sehr butt fur Bit-coin.
phf: whenever i hear of mainstream consensus... i unlock my browning
asciilifeform: one key bit of insight is that 'self-licking ice cream cones' - which is to say, all 'mainstream science', as carried out by mandarins who leave their balls in a jar via the degree-wank-till-you're-45 method (vs the ancient and more humane sharp knife and rope one) all produce very much the same output.
asciilifeform: which is to say, the tokamak folks are about as interested in desktop, $1000 fusion (of ~whatever temperatures~) as the maths dept at your uni is interested in elementary proof of fermat, or the software 'industry' - in 'fits in head', etc.
asciilifeform: the one thing ~every~ idiocy is unerringly good at is recognizing direct threats to own perpetuation.
asciilifeform: and yes, 'them crackpots are crayzeeeee' - for same reason as the folks shooting at usg are. because after 100 yrs of 'we control vertical and horizontal' only the nuts are left to resist.
asciilifeform: wot is the one and only potential penicillin for this.
asciilifeform: which is why 1,001 flavours of ninjashotguns instinctively attack the notion.
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asciilifeform: in other lulz, usg is pumping air back into eth ?
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