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deedbot: [Qntra] Forced Outrage Over Ohio Gorilla Shooting - http://qntra.net/2016/05/forced-outrage-over-ohio-gorilla-shooting/
BingoBoingo: Gorilla not a euphamism
ben_vulpes: holy shit
ben_vulpes: so pediwikia claims that du chatelet is actually the postulator of the total energy constraint?
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 544.53, vol: 9091.23951543 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 534.5, vol: 8648.6928 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 542.24, vol: 30389.85792372 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 455.0, vol: 0.02 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 560.6292, vol: 55352.00280000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 539.037, vol: 1461.81641849 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 537.6429, vol: 172.5677864 | Volume-weighted last average: 551.432492473
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what total energy constraint? lagrange's ?
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Getting older’s easier with friends like these. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/31/getting-olders-easier-with-friends-like-these/
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: notionally she derived conservation of energy while translating newton's principia
ben_vulpes: struck me as crazy too
phf: 40% of Pycon talks by women!
asciilifeform: phf: lulzily i just met one of these (as part of my official expedition duties)
asciilifeform: she is in there even now.
asciilifeform: i have nfi what happens at a 'pycon' etc.
phf: i went to pycon twice back when guido (and part of Twisted team) were still in dc doing Zope. it was different back then(tm), but i distinctly remember there being "talks by women", not surprisingly of varied quality
ben_vulpes: birds of a feather were the only talks worth the time
ben_vulpes: at least when i went
ben_vulpes stumbled into the cool kids room, on the topic of testing
ben_vulpes: bottles of two-hundred dollar scotch just disappearing
ben_vulpes: much swearing
ben_vulpes: much lamenting of bad practices with explicit callouts
ben_vulpes: lots of jocular name calling
deedbot: [Qntra] Self Propagating Ransomware Arrives - http://qntra.net/2016/05/self-propagating-ransomware-arrives/
asciilifeform: i went to a total of 1 tech-themed con, shmoocon, and it was a pathetic waste of time
asciilifeform: (as reported in the l0gz in real time...)
asciilifeform: did we ever do this (now vintage) lul? https://medium.com/@taliajane/an-open-letter-to-my-ceo-fb73df021e7a#.79otiy1lk << chick wrote this and was fired, caused media splash which i as always slept through, but it is entertaining
asciilifeform: read like mircea_popescu wrath fodder
BingoBoingo: "Maybe instead, you can help set up something to allow Eat24/Yelp employees to get food from local food banks and soup kitchens? I’m pretty proficient at rice, but some hot soup would sure make up for not being able to afford to use my heater." Why wasn't the bitch availing herself of this?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: more interesting question, what of the 'gold mine between her legs' ?
asciilifeform: down for maintenance ? or wut.
BingoBoingo: Have you googled her pictures? Not even a lead mine.
trinque: who's going to pay in the broke-ass valley anyway
trinque: does cunt take stock options?
asciilifeform: trinque: the folks payin' $10k/mo for a 1room flat ?
asciilifeform: trinque: it can take plutonium if it wants
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Just google her name
phf: well, conference scene's been taken over particularly hard by the usual suspects. it was mildly useful back in 2005, because you could get a face to face, or a beer session, with useful people. for example at pycon i got to spend time with the entire twisted team, which was at a rear end of me trying to grok their stack, so i had a lot of very productive learning sessions
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: hey she has a face!
asciilifeform: whatsyerproblem.
BingoBoingo: But myspace angles, proceed with caution.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat's that mean
BingoBoingo: You know. The camera tricks split finned cetceans use on dating sites to appear human like.
trinque: she does not look to be starving
asciilifeform: i have nfi
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not everywhere is infested like midwest
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But where did her Enlish majorness go to San Francisco from?
asciilifeform: just like not whole usa costs like tokyo, as the west does, or is full of politicos, as the east is
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nfi. this detail is not to be found in linked piece.
BingoBoingo: She's a transplant to the bay area failing to afford it. Likely a female to mayo transgender with asperzorsations of leaving Ohio behind.
asciilifeform: dunno, looks like a wholly serviceable chik.
BingoBoingo: Not enough information to safely determine that.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you can always weigh her prior to assigning a berth
BingoBoingo: O just make a snap judgment and pass. That CVS prolly at least has a hawt-ish cashier somewhere.
trinque: gonna take a lot of mircea_popescutronium to cure the entitlement, face or no face
asciilifeform: in unrelated nyooz, found spiffy game, http://www.zachtronics.com/tis-100
trinque: It’s the assembly language programming game you never asked for! << lol
asciilifeform: 'I’ve since stopped using my heater. Have you ever slept fully clothed under several blankets just so you don’t get a cold and have to miss work? Have you ever drank a liter of water before going to bed so you could fall asleep without waking up a few hours later with stomach pains because the last time you ate was at work? I woke up today with stomach pains. I made myself a bowl of rice.' << wtf
asciilifeform: ^ what happened to BECOMING A PET ?
asciilifeform: chick is 25 yo
asciilifeform: this is sorta like if you met a bloke who is starving, cold, etc. but has gold brick.
asciilifeform: that he won't part with.
asciilifeform: more so, even.
BingoBoingo: But how much does she eat at work?
deedbot: [Qntra] Former Governors Johnson And Weld Compose US Libertarian Party Ticket - http://qntra.net/2016/05/former-governors-johnson-and-weld-compose-us-libertarian-party-ticket/
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 18:08 trinque: gonna take a lot of mircea_popescutronium to cure the entitlement, face or no face
asciilifeform: iirc you have a pet dog. how do you live with his 'sense of entitlement' to his food dish ?
ben_vulpes: trinque: has cats
ben_vulpes: or should i say
ben_vulpes: they have him
asciilifeform: ah so then.
asciilifeform: even more applicable.
asciilifeform: think of the gurl as a large bipedal cat.
BingoBoingo: But does girl slay mice?
asciilifeform: depends!
asciilifeform: how big are your mice. how strong - the cat.
asciilifeform: and also your budget.
asciilifeform: for instance, i'm about to buy moar display. it will be an lcd. but if mircea_popescu buys another display, it won't be lcd, it'll be a thing where a gurl flips pixels manually.
ben_vulpes: i think the 'entitlement' to which trinque refers is a specific set of attitudes common to 'millenials'.
ben_vulpes: a friend of mine recently broke up with his girl of 4+ years, and i realized during conversation about his new dating adventures and the kinds of women he was encountering that i would have patience for approximately zero reeducation at this point in my life.
BingoBoingo: Anyways if mice are too big, blast the cat with some Tren. Cat is just a smaller racehorse that's already clued in on protein.
trinque: ben_vulpes: left the cats with ex but yes
trinque: precisely that.
ben_vulpes: but at 18, 22, it was less onerous
ben_vulpes: also i had all the time in the world
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: can haz detailz?
asciilifeform: and what is this 'millenial disease' thing, i'm not convinced that it is a thing.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: 'tikkun olam'
asciilifeform: the judaic 'build the world' thing ?
asciilifeform: explain?
ben_vulpes: healing the world
ben_vulpes: that the world cannot be made better
ben_vulpes: that the socialist call for us all to put our shoulders to the grindstone to make the world a better place only taxes those who work to benefit those who don't
ben_vulpes: that i care not one whit to spread my meager energy across the vast faceless mass of other people, but would rather concentrate it on these few that i actually like
asciilifeform: what sort of women was ben_vulpes's friend turning up ?
ben_vulpes: "if we all just X then the world would be better!"
ben_vulpes: "solve poverty!"
ben_vulpes: "end global warming"
ben_vulpes: "stop corporations"
ben_vulpes: endemic us braindamage
asciilifeform: young chix are programmable, they would just as happily 'great is the prophet muhammad' if born elsewhere.
trinque: I work 30hrs a week doing something not economically useful yet bitch to my Yelp CEO that I am not paid a 'living wage' in a city ever less hospitable to life generally
trinque: economically, environmentally, so on
trinque: but whatever, I am "working" so deserve "living"
trinque: because I am here
trinque: asciilifeform: sure that is so
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i enjoy the company of adults, not children
asciilifeform: trinque: that was the mega-mystery in the linked article
trinque: I do not wish to deprogram them of their muhammed
asciilifeform: trinque: i, for instance, hesitate to set foot in san fran even as tourist !
ben_vulpes: who've seen, experienced, breathed
asciilifeform: trinque: because expensive and because why.
asciilifeform: trinque: what's the alternative? only date chix born and raised in #t ?
trinque: the fact that these people are literally sucking california dry is no wonderment to me
trinque: asciilifeform: fucking hell yeah.
trinque: chick I'm seeing actually you know, likes men
ben_vulpes: keep sifting through the haystack, apparently.
trinque: and didn't have to be taught to
trinque: my dating strategy up til meeting her was to reject early, reject often
asciilifeform: eh iirc mircea_popescu flies these in and reprogramms them to spec in days.
asciilifeform: (using various whippy, stretchy hardware)
ben_vulpes: did you just proffer a pineapple?
asciilifeform: broomstick!111
ben_vulpes: "on dirigible, there is fantastic seat!"
asciilifeform: hey, when the man is asleep ~somebody~'s gotta proffer the pineapple!111
ben_vulpes: he enjoys the reprogramming.
trinque: no problem with bdsm here but it's entirely not my thing.
ben_vulpes: i like machines that work out of the box.
ben_vulpes: lord knows i don't get that at $dayjob
phf: none do, a working machine ~always~ has signs of its master's works
trinque: yeah, like its parents...
ben_vulpes: i have tuned this mill to my liking.
ben_vulpes: it took quite some time.
ben_vulpes: i would rather cut metal than spend my days tuning lathes.
trinque: that one can reprogram them doesn't invalidate the fact that having to do so is a sign that your culture's not producing functioning adults
ben_vulpes: yes, requires ongoing tuning.
ben_vulpes: but not assembly from scratch and full bed truement.
ben_vulpes: also i regularly go out of spec
asciilifeform: trinque: the last time the west produced functioning adults was prolly pre-ww2.
asciilifeform: and most of'em died.
trinque: plenty of kids raised with ass whippings in texas still
asciilifeform: as if that were the only item.
phf: ass whipped because don't love jesus enough? ;)
trinque: yes, I can be a contrarian too.
trinque: on that subject, asciilifeform fix your feed or stop bitching
trinque: the ID is supposed to be unique
asciilifeform: trinque: unique how
asciilifeform: monotonically increasing ?
trinque: just one string of whatever per entry in feed
trinque: in RSS it's actually called GUID
asciilifeform: trinque: care to hazard a guess why it works 100% on kako's feed ?
trinque: because he is not relying on the ID field being unique to determine whether he's seen an entry
asciilifeform: and you are ? why ?
trinque: because the spec says it's unique
phf: i wrote a bunch of rss tooling and dealing with non-unique ids is a bitch. i usually hash entry for entries with blank ids, and return that as key.
phf: but you also have to account of all kinds of other spec violations. like having non-blank ids that are also non-unique
asciilifeform: the whole pile of shit is loathesome
asciilifeform: or, for instance, the fact that datetime has NO DEFAULT string representation
phf: or my favorite, ids that follow some magical internal logic
asciilifeform: or any of it
deedbot: [Qntra] Microsoft, Google, And Facebook Partner With EU On Censorship Effort - http://qntra.net/2016/05/microsoft-google-and-facebook-partner-with-eu-on-censorship-effort/
phf: asciilifeform: apropos, i remained surprised you reject naggum's suggestion to iso everywhere
asciilifeform: phf: i reject breaking working shit for no reason.
phf: so your rants only apply to log, and not universally?
asciilifeform: and in several different ways.
asciilifeform: for instance, i used to be able to read the log by hitting 'reload'
asciilifeform: and now i can't.
asciilifeform: for no good reason that i know of.
asciilifeform: will prolly end up writing own log viewer, at this rate.
asciilifeform: my notion of what proper log is seems to be screamingly in conflict with phf's.
asciilifeform: which is fine. it will be good to have 2.
phf: it's not, you're just impatient and short fused
asciilifeform: that also.
phf: reload particularly needs to be fixed, and it's perhaps 5 lines of code, but requires dropping one large context, and lifting another to do it intentionally. as is whatever fixes done to log str result of background radiation noise like effects of my brain, "i suddenly remember relevant bits, and here's the solution, go write it down"
trinque: phf: right, I would prefer not to account for spec violations
trinque: as per "not breaking shit that works"
trinque: obviously here I'm just using some guy's python rss module; while I can go break that to behave, not what I prefer
asciilifeform: trinque: i implemented as per your recipe, it ought to work now ?
trinque: I'll make no argument that RSS is sane, only that it has a definition
trinque: asciilifeform: yes
trinque: ID field will be unique per new RSS entry?
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 12139488149070232138243954377 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Li-Wen Kuo <li-wen@gmx.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A2E79EF558F70013AEC0461FCCE1B3DD2C2D67242AEDA15EA5C2BE283491CD3D
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 904359116964408528249771 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5152364623 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Todd A. Outten <outten@kerner.com>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A07FCCF0D46AC8B25EB8F0982629537817E0CEA47BCC6C8B800A06F4F4647160
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 5391673272318505738681 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Lou Anschuetz <lou@ece.cmu.edu>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/8BE6D699C631055360A2B55CD6AAEBAAC1C91F872E97936AC73A1790F694079B
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 6433499730848081819420299501665455 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Charly Avital <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital (GnuPG) <shavital@mac.com>; Charly Avital <shavital@netvision.net.il>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/BC32D34833DC18D609ED6D8877435EE51A4C49DB57A71C30745379E23315C237
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 18304605847198678287025017798807 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Torsten Ennenbach <torsten.ennenbach@set-sign.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/A5CF9F50DDA50E86A049276CCC0AE37415FB5B761B5E586D2C0C6D079AFB9BCD
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 425857281888973630681646539592035 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Robert J. Hansen; Robert J. Hansen <rjh@sixdemonbag.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/308C79ED32BB1D28E5F59EC4ADB2E56B1ED16614D3B4C737238FC3D169AF94B0
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 1053324101 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Niel Ambroz <niel.ambroz@ucw.cz>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/F4414C79945FFC7B74189D650F0F50DE2A2091A0B09A532FBF63726E52980316
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 966294365422826766871777762130727 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Shingondo <shingondo@shingondo.org>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/010E565743AC6268C327A10B9AEB8895E66ED05F3931E9B54673500CD5B5CA76
deedbot: [Recent Phuctorings.] Phuctored: 4046866294898554649891 divides RSA Moduli belonging to 'Martin M. Stoppler <martin@stoppler.de>; ' - http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/41C3308E5F375899710919E1484F78A1DC042B81EDDC432F38F75D4BDA9B29FC
asciilifeform: i made it a hash of everything including epochal time.
asciilifeform: let the barf flow.
trinque: lol
BingoBoingo awaits hash collision
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: plenty of hashes in there to collide
asciilifeform: e.g., the gpgkey hash
trinque: life is pain (TM) (R)
asciilifeform: i never really liked the idea of a hash.
asciilifeform: it is a dodge.
asciilifeform: a device based largely on wishful thinking.
asciilifeform: eventually all interesting hashes will collide (have collided)
asciilifeform: when the process is sped up artificially we call it a break,
asciilifeform: but how is blind luck collision less of a problem ?
asciilifeform: this is 'minsky's dark room' all over again.
Framedragger: asciilifeform: couldn't you use an argument of a similar form to say that e.g. AES depends on luck? (2^256 keyspace of luck, for example..)
asciilifeform: Framedragger: not only it does, but likewise has unknown weak key space
asciilifeform: Framedragger: you weren't here for the 'symmetric crypto other than otp is snake oil' thread. get thee to the logz.
Framedragger: aha, then i guess you don't really enjoy the fact that gpg uses aes for session key actually? :)
Framedragger: oh man
Framedragger: so much opinion
asciilifeform: Framedragger: quite certainly no one enjoys.
asciilifeform: Framedragger: it isn't an opinion, it is a statement of iron fact, like 2+2==4.
Framedragger: 2+2==4 only holds under boring algebras
asciilifeform: not a single symmetric cipher other than otp has ever been proven to be worth a sparrow's fart.
Framedragger: *runs*
asciilifeform: Framedragger: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-02-02#1394086 << start of the conversation
a111: Logged on 2016-02-02 15:58 ascii_butugychag: anybody got a favourite symmetric cipher, incidentally ?
Framedragger: i'll take a look, thanks..
a111: Logged on 2016-02-04 19:27 deedbot-: [Trilema] B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition - http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/
asciilifeform: (see also contextual thread)
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, you could also just put an incrementing integer in there.
asciilifeform: trinque: wouldn't work.
asciilifeform: because i would have to save it somewhere
asciilifeform: and never lose it
trinque: the phuctoring events don't have an ID on your end?
asciilifeform: they only have the bare essentials, a what and a when.
asciilifeform: i could, say, shit out the index used by the db internally - but then i'd be married to that db
asciilifeform: and wtf why omfg.
asciilifeform: retarded wwwisms.
asciilifeform: also why the fuck should i reveal to world where and in what order shit is in my db.
phf: ( asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/ )
asciilifeform: phf: spiffy, appears to work !
asciilifeform: ty phf .
phf: yw
phf: more bitching on my part than actual work. literally two lines..
asciilifeform: very neat. srsly.
trinque: fap
trinque makes phone bookmark
phf: can also do #eob to get to end of page
phf: makes the whole last=> redundant, since it'll always be http://btcbase.org/log/#eob
asciilifeform: ~now~ we're cookin'!
phf: i got rid of last=> and added "log" link to search bar, that takes you to /log/ as convenience, which also addresses http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457428 speak now or..
a111: Logged on 2016-04-25 19:25 pete_dushenski: phf: loving the new search. think you could add a button or link back to the logs so i don't have to diddle the url every time ?
asciilifeform likes phf's l0gz as they now appear.
asciilifeform: my 1 remaining wishlist item would be something like a nightly (weekly?) tarball of the whole log shebang.
asciilifeform: supposing phf ever has the time to make such a thing.
phf: kk
trinque: I'd use the same to deed teh logz
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ^ I was gonna do a Qntra on that since it ties into my last article on teh guy, but lazy today.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: write it up
shinohai: may as well BingoBoingo hang tite
BingoBoingo: You've got time
shinohai: ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://ix.io/NjF
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/faq << lightly massaged.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: How cool is that Hanno Böck dude ? << bwahahaha
shinohai: https://twitter.com/HardBTC/status/737786025750200320 <<< no WoT needed. mircea_popescu has mislead us all /s
shinohai: Judging from the flurry of messages I'm getting I think I triggered someone.
shinohai: Fast work there mod6 ... isn't even midnight yet >.<
phf: shinohai: gj, in ru we say "хомячки закопошились" that is "hamsters are stirring up"
shinohai: lol. I haven't thought of hamsters in ages.
mod6: ha, thanks man.
mod6: it's about 01:30 gmt tho
shinohai: True.
deedbot: [» Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Infinity shades of solar, an erotic analysis. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/31/infinity-shades-of-solar-an-erotic-analysis/
a111: Logged on 2016-05-31 20:11 phf: i got rid of last=> and added "log" link to search bar, that takes you to /log/ as convenience, which also addresses http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-25#1457428 speak now or..
pete_dushenski: whining really does work
deedbot: I only respond to gifts of booze and women.
pete_dushenski: i too, deedbot, apparently respond well to gifts of booze. and how.
pete_dushenski: just when i thought i'd be working my way up in years and find myself unable to handle the rigours of hard partying, i wake up sunday morning to find that i feel bloody fantastic and sore only from having worked out the day before.
pete_dushenski: take that father time.
pete_dushenski: speaking of getting old, hey danielpbarron, mind dropping this to @jackbaruth ? http://www.contravex.com/2016/05/02/baruth-skips-truth-or-when-jack-went-whack/
pete_dushenski: doubt he'll answer directly, but let there be no mistake that he's been intentionally directed to that little dig.
pete_dushenski: fucken eh this greek yogurt is the bomb. screw all the 0% fat hippies. 11% or fuck off.
danielpbarron: pete_dushenski, done.
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