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deedbot-: [Daniel P. Barron] Cantarita - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/cantarita/
mircea_popescu: btw, apropos of nothing in particular : Nonelementary Problems in an Elementary Exposition, A & I Yaglom.
mircea_popescu: it has a splendid statement of cauchy's binding of riemann zeta terms among other goodies.
asciilifeform: holy fuck, 1st mircea_popescu b00k rec?!
mircea_popescu: never you mind!
mircea_popescu: but yes, fine, fine, should be on that biographical list danielpbarron was making.
mircea_popescu: was it him ?
mircea_popescu: bibliographical*
asciilifeform: was him
asciilifeform: and since when does that thing exist in engl?!
mircea_popescu: apparently jews will learn any language.
asciilifeform: speaking of jews, there is an english edition of the infamous 'jewish exam problems' compendium.
mircea_popescu: i hope it has the appropriate trigger warnings.
asciilifeform: it is actually same thing as the yaglom
asciilifeform: now i'm curious how many actually came from it to begin with.
assbot: Michael Gove criticises 'bizarre' Jewish exam question | Education | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1pSEiPI )
mircea_popescu: apparently it's bizarre to ask!
mircea_popescu: "To suggest that antisemitism can ever be explained, rather than condemned, is insensitive and, frankly, bizarre. AQA needs to explain how and why this question was included in an exam paper."
mircea_popescu: hurr. unintentional self-irony on the public budget!
asciilifeform: ther are several dead tree collections.
asciilifeform: aka 'coffins'
phf: asciilifeform: and since when does that thing exist in engl?! << http://www.amazon.com/dp/0486655369 has a bunch of nifty looking books in "customers who bought"
assbot: Challenging Mathematical Problems With Elementary Solutions, Vol. 1: A. M. Yaglom, I. M. Yaglom: 0800759655366: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsYEVG )
phf: "the ussr olympiad problem book"
phf: i'm waiting for western ashkenazim to start embracing persecution as a status symbol, kind of like how affirmative action devalued blacks in workforce, this is the opposite. was a bit of a thing in su, in some professions (anything related to mil for example) if you were known to be of jewish descent (you wouldn't be on paper, but "people talk") it was also kind of assumed that you were whicked smart to get in
mircea_popescu: it's not going to happen.
mircea_popescu: the sad truth of the 20th century history is that hitler did in fact succeed ; much more than the italian twerp succeeded in wiping the mafia - the nazis managed to actually end judaism.
mircea_popescu: the remnants, in both cases, are this ridoinculous us pretense, much in the way "indians" survived there.
mircea_popescu: a pt barnum version.
phf: "jewish lawyers" on tv
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'good partz' at any rate.
mircea_popescu: "we didn't end him - just decapitated".
asciilifeform: more or less.
mircea_popescu: in this case, more.
mircea_popescu: anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish.
mircea_popescu: then again the same can be said of imaginary postmodern nations such as "austria". really, austria ? ooookay.
phf: apropos, one thing that i couldn't quite grok moving to u.s., how the children of odessa expats (read isaac babel for example about jewish gangsters of odessa) turned into sniveling woody allen clones
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the whole "slav soul, fatalism, blabla" ?
mircea_popescu: the us has it also ; they're much more retarded about it is all.
mircea_popescu: place's too big, is the problem, and in both cases.
asciilifeform: babel is mega-lulzy and exists today in, afaik, every language, mega-recommended to all
asciilifeform: wtf means too big
asciilifeform: no such thing
mircea_popescu: from which we surmise you never had sex.
davout: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3Y6NGV8.txt )
mircea_popescu: no rub, no pleasure. is such thing as too big.
phf: zing
asciilifeform: i dont fuck countries..
asciilifeform: (cuntries?)
mircea_popescu: ofcourseyoudo.
mircea_popescu: herein inclouded by reference,
mircea_popescu: !s resistance of the medium
assbot: 8 results for 'resistance of the medium' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=resistance+of+the+medium
asciilifeform: possibly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform country is everyone's woman, eh. what else did you think it were, an abstraction ?
mircea_popescu: (for the curious re notion of jewish - for one thing it speaks fucking idis, and for the other see bashevis-singer an' let me be.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436450 << adlai awake? or is he still digesting that kg of lsd.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 14:32:50; mircea_popescu: anyway. in the meantime the heat of battle forged a very different israel, which i suppose can lay claim to continuance. but it is in very few significant points continuing my notion of jewish.
asciilifeform: i once met the rarest animal on planet3
mircea_popescu: really alf, lost fambly in saxon wastelands speaking plattdeutsch closer to jewish than hebrew speakers in africa.
asciilifeform: ~young~ chick who spoke with idish accent
asciilifeform: and yeah 'jew' means ashkenazim, the other kinds may as well be eskimos as far as i'm concerned
mircea_popescu: 3% in 1000 ad, 97% in 1930s. today's israel has a fake 5 or 10% or somesuch, made mostly of retirees and plastics.
mircea_popescu: pretty epic story, really. but the imposture is also evident.
asciilifeform: updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 with link to ben_vulpes's excellent manual, which i entirely forgot about.
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deedbot-: [Trilema] Eulora : Auctions and Bilbulations - http://trilema.com/2016/eulora-auctions-and-bilbulations/
mod6: Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt
mircea_popescu: mod6 cat debug.log | grep "std::bad_alloc" yields nothing.
mod6: mircea_popescu: ok thanks for checking.
mod6: fwiw, my node doesn't die, just keeps on running in the event of this exception.
thestringpuller: mod6: looks like my node keeps stalling once it gets up to date?
thestringpuller: it's still pulling in transactions in the logs, but it's not receiving any blocks
thestringpuller: asciilifeform 's stuck node phenomenon I suppose
hanbot: so mod6 & anyone else interested in that shortlogs idea (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-03-2016#1434765): i've been trying out two versions of shortening; one trimmed of off-topic and nontechnical commentary, the other with any relevant line/argument summarized. a possibly substantial problem i see with either of these is that the accompanying philosophical discourse, esp from mircea_popescu, is probably mandatory for comprehension, ev
hanbot: en if doing a quick lookup later
hanbot: and from my own experience anyway, if you cut out some portion of what the man said it WILL come back to bite you
hanbot: one could leave such things intact and merely trim actual offtopic...not sure if that'd actually be useful in the sense mod6 was looking for tho (also not sure it'd merit pay)
mircea_popescu: i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do.
hanbot: lol precisely.
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assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 17:19:23; mod6: Does anyone else see these error messages running the latest trb (minus shiva)? Looks to be in main.cpp:ProcessMessage around lines 1855:1913. It doesn't look to me to be related to the malleus patch, but I could be wrong there. Thoughts? Seen the same in your logs? Plz let us know. http://dpaste.com/21PJMY4.txt
asciilifeform: nonfatal, because the thing was written by tards
asciilifeform: but a node that has experienced it cannot be assumed to be in a consistent state
asciilifeform: and oughta be restarted
asciilifeform: and in fact oom ought to be handled in the exception catcher as a fatal
asciilifeform: in related nyooz, i discovered that one of my test trb boxen has been wedged, without any meaningful log noise whatsoever, for ~2wks
asciilifeform: interestingly, it was among those NEVER exposed directly to the net, fed -connect directly from zoolag (on lan)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436494 << the idiocy of single-threaded block verification.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 18:16:17; thestringpuller: it's still pulling in transactions in the logs, but it's not receiving any blocks
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 17:26:48; mircea_popescu: mod6 cat debug.log | grep "std::bad_alloc" yields nothing.
asciilifeform: guaranteed.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436500 << shortening doesn't work. not if the material is any good to begin with, and author 'left out the parts people skip'
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 18:27:01; mircea_popescu: i'd hire myself to shorten myself ; but then again i already do.
asciilifeform: i still marvel at the idiocy of the existence of oom-without-oomkill
asciilifeform: 'sure it couldn't alloc but let's carry on'
asciilifeform: what kind of liquid shit does a designer need to have for brains, or an os that allows this ?
asciilifeform: i could even see a suspend-on-oom
asciilifeform: but 'pretend nothing happened' ??
asciilifeform: mind-boggling.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: do you have a solution for "stuck node" phenonemon?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: kill -9
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 14:50:34; asciilifeform: updated http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1545 with link to ben_vulpes's excellent manual, which i entirely forgot about.
ben_vulpes runs to logs, sees an infinity percent increase in traffic
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: nope, the only genuine solution would be multithreaded trb
thestringpuller: fuck. i guess I'll just add watchdog and if logs don't have `ProcessBlock: ACCEPTED` in the last 60 minutes `kill -9 <pid>; ./startrb.sh`
thestringpuller: if already nigga rigged, might as well duct tape the whole thing
trinque: thestringpuller: where are you hosting
thestringpuller: my house...
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: said real nodes aren't hosted..........
thestringpuller: they are run from closet in house
trinque: the reason I ask is that my "stuck node" problems vanished when I left AWS.
thestringpuller: ah. yea. I'm running on debian jessie a core 2 duo machine (older but not super old). but everytime thing gets "up to date" it stops asking for blocks
thestringpuller: i honestly don't know if I can run as true full node
thestringpuller: but then again I'm only connected to ascii's node right now to receive blocks
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> interestingly, it was among those NEVER exposed directly to the net, fed -connect directly from zoolag << that IS interesting. wut ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'sure it couldn't alloc but let's carry on' << maybe it didn't really need it ?
mircea_popescu: there's perfect reason for OS to allow it if code does. "couldn't load that picture - sorry", for instance.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller> if already nigga rigged, might as well duct tape the whole thing << that's actually not even the worst solution.
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 20:51:53; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> interestingly, it was among those NEVER exposed directly to the net, fed -connect directly from zoolag << that IS interesting. wut ?!
mircea_popescu: innerving.
asciilifeform: not oom, nothing at all.
asciilifeform: (box with 24G of ram, not even 1/4 full)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2016#1436543 << there is no provision for anything of the kind in trb, beyond the barbaric expedient of a tx which throws exception during processing simply not being stored
assbot: Logged on 19-03-2016 20:52:51; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'sure it couldn't alloc but let's carry on' << maybe it didn't really need it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was being facetious, sorry for omitted quotes.
mircea_popescu: "maybe it didn't really need it"
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mod6: hanbot: hmm, ok that makes some sense as far as the philosophical components. i wonder if simply an index with pointers to indexed topic wouldn't just be something worthwhile. i.e. "Discussion around MP's change requirements and keccak hash family => [LOG_URL_1] [LOG_URL_N] [...]"
mod6: at minimum that could point a person in the right direction to find #b-a discussions in the log about said topic.
mod6: thoughts on that?
mod6: asciilifeform: about that error I saw, thanks for your insight. I looked the other system logs to see if that was the issue, but didn't see the OOMKILL like I have before. So I was thinking it wasn't related to that somehow. Anyway, good to know.
mod6: *looked at
mod6: And beyond that, as you were saying, it didn't get oomkill'd, just kept right along going. i think you're right, we should throw a fatal exception in the event of oom.
asciilifeform: http://www.internetsociety.org/sites/default/files/04_2_2.pdf << almost ideal case study of WHAT NOT TO DO omfg111111
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: lol
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