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punkman: "They are giving us 90 days paid working notice, one-month severance, and $2500 in money for retraining."
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assbot: Why there are 5 months old unconfirmed transactions sitting in the mempool? : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qp1Iox )
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punkman: !up PaulCapestany
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deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.56056253 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b22
assbot: ECDSA Key Extraction from Mobile Devices via Nonintrusive Physical Side Channels ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsAR8P )
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TomServo: ;;blocks
gribble: 401082
TomServo: yay! finally a sync'd node.
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TomServo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414960 << Any suggested reading on this topic?
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 23:24:36; mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 45.67770000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b50
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danielpbarron: !up Taek
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52550 @ 0.0005666 = 29.7748 BTC [+]
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assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Hardfork to fix difficulty drop algorithm ... ( http://bit.ly/1RsJP5L )
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mircea_popescu: punkman> "They are giving us 90 days paid working notice, one-month severance, and $2500 in money for retraining." <<< pretty generous.
mircea_popescu: TomServo> yay! finally a sync'd node. << wd!
mircea_popescu: TomServo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2016#1414960 << Any suggested reading on this topic? << mid 1800s, galveston was the world's cotton center. by the 1900s, dallas had overtaken it as the center of texas. lots of discussion of this change that's emblematic from a more general shift from "midwest = great american desert" to "we built some pumps and whatnot, let's farm and raise cattle" to "holy shit
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 23:24:36; mircea_popescu: over the dead bodies of ranchers
mircea_popescu: oil!" to, finally, "flyover country". not entirely sure who'd be the indicated canon on the topic. as everything else to do with culture, starting with the great "american" novel and ending with the great "american" dictionary, the us has failed to produce usable works. maybe one day a gibbon is born in kenya or wherever and writes its history.
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shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 420.2, vol: 6541.50522339 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 420.957, vol: 7173.25211 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 420.36, vol: 12985.15674317 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 410.01, vol: 0.77053644 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 426.579272, vol: 49212.27850000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 421.513, vol: 2737.18385922 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 423.160837, vol: 80.75259039 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
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deedbot-: [Trilema] Portrait of an adult woman - http://trilema.com/2016/portrait-of-an-adult-woman/
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davout: I started looking into how bitmex's engine actually works, and god, it's an abomination
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davout: kindof reads to me like "ohai, we're offering x100 leverage, but because we can't be sure to liquidate positions properly, we spread losses on everyone who actually made a profit"
davout: in other words: "spreading works"
davout: therefore, echo "bitmex" > niggers.txt
mircea_popescu: they published the engine or is this just probing ?
davout: it's their documentation
assbot: Dynamic Profit Equalisation - BitMEX ... ( http://bit.ly/1QxxIor )
mircea_popescu: heh. also this sounds exactly like icbit / bitfinex. same people ?
davout: i don't think so
mircea_popescu: same language i guess then.
davout: "language"
davout: so basically you can actually use high leverage, except it doesn't quite work so well when you win, because it doesn't work very well when you lose
davout: reddit dude sums it up nicely "Even though every contract has a counterpart, think of whole thing conceptually as being somewhat pooled with no specific counterparty and the winning traders jointly as bagholders of last resort."
davout: Bagholders. Of last resort.
davout: aka the Bitcoin movie
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thestringpuller: i think icbit got shut down
davout: "A weird exchange nobody really trades on, Orderbook.net, has run into some trouble with the CFTC."
thestringpuller: i remember when MP exposed them as a scam way back in 2012
kakobrekla: an i thought tycho (deepbit) retired?
kakobrekla: davout if the fork (say 'classic') happens, is paymium expected to stay on the current blocks ?
kakobrekla: you will have two separate trading markets ?
davout: tbh i don't know, what i know is that there won't be any bullshit like "oh btw, withdrawals on chain [A|B] are deprecated"
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42008 @ 0.00055883 = 23.4753 BTC [+]
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 33.65869796 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b51
PeterL: With bitbet doublesending the Jeb Bush bet, are they going to have to take out a bridge loan from MPIF again?
PeterL: And is that going to be classified under "advertising expenses" since it got the bitbet name out in a bunch of media?
jurov: i believe it should be budgeted to security or R&D dept... who ever seen marketing monkeys to meddle with technology so
jurov: or actually... as the whole thing was about bitcoin protocol enforcement, law dept would be prolly best choice.
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jurov: *legal dept, i mean
jurov: and there is likely also no-such-dept. involved
danielpbarron: for BingoBoingo >> https://i.imgur.com/CX9sBUAl.jpg << warning : NSFL
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mircea_popescu: "no such dept" not even a half-bad idea.
mircea_popescu: "we've had some no such expenses this month somehow related to the bitcoin protocol of the future's many advantages which can not be specified for guess why reasons."
mircea_popescu: everyone happy with that ?
asciilifeform awake, cranks out broadcast slowly while on the stake
asciilifeform: meanwhile, a golden oldie, just for mircea_popescu : http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2012/Dec/151
assbot: Bugtraq: GnuPG 1.4.12 and lower - memory access errors and keyring database corruption ... ( http://bit.ly/1nlvtw6 )
thestringpuller: whoa, asciilifeform just dropped some phat rhymes
mircea_popescu: skate/stake/steak/on the take etc bla bla, enough rhymes in there for a full rap album.
mircea_popescu: Alfie Lifeform not a terribru rapper name, either.
mircea_popescu: in other news, according to reddit i am by far the bitcoiner most likely to have a collection of human body parts in my fridge.
mircea_popescu: depending on the exact definition of "human body parts" you use, i will grant that this is actually the case.
asciilifeform: at any rate, i suspect that i found one of the magical orifices the dud keys went in.
asciilifeform: also as i write this, my cellmate/boss is fuzzing gpgtron.
mircea_popescu: lol are you subverting the kolhoz for counter-party activities ?
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: you should start wearing round glasses and a pickaxe hole in the temple already.
asciilifeform: prolly been fitted for the hole'n'glasses already.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 16:41:20; mircea_popescu: "no such dept" not even a half-bad idea.
shinohai: More for BingoBoingo - a possible front view of what danielpbarron posted earlier: https://i.imgur.com/WELwzH0.jpg
mircea_popescu: see next line.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo should i do a small piece on argentina or really too far off scope ?
asciilifeform: it'd be a welcome change from the usaschwitz crud
mircea_popescu: see, this is exactly what i'm asking him : if you should be allowed to continue in this childhood delusion :)
asciilifeform: l0l which one
mircea_popescu: shinohai i don't get it, person should go through 1-200ish gallons of water a year, every year. what's the problem there ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that it'd be a change.
asciilifeform: wai wut i thought my delusion was that usg is everywhere
mircea_popescu: you know, if you meet two retarded teenagers cca 2004, it doesn't mean "britni is everywhere".
mircea_popescu: retardation belongs to no-one, even if it is always and perpetually the exact same.
shinohai: I guess the point being she is adamant that fluid is the reason she is fat, and not the 28 BigMacs she consumes for lunch daily.
mircea_popescu: she does look pretty edematous
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assbot: LKML: Jeff King: Re: Don't use PGP/GPG signatures in mail that contains patches ... ( http://bit.ly/1nlDIrO )
asciilifeform: we - in case anybody had any doubts - 'don't exist', never happened...
mircea_popescu: and we can say jack shit about it - because guess what ? phuctor still down.
mircea_popescu: this has been a perfect case of typically lispian self-sabotage, for the record.
asciilifeform: i actually shelved the lisp ver.
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asciilifeform: having realized this.
mircea_popescu: not a comment on the language - a comment on the mentality. "oh this box is not good". fine. "oh this other box is not yet ready". fine. whatever all this may mean in the ideal world of ideals, what it means in practice is that - never happened.
deedbot-: [Daniel P. Barron] The Big Singer - http://danielpbarron.com/2016/the-big-singer/
mircea_popescu: check out the drinks guy!
mircea_popescu: you gotta re-doi the overlay on the header tho, i can see the edges and a nose/hairline of a guy in the irght
danielpbarron: more to come in that category!
danielpbarron: heh, ok
danielpbarron: btw, that guy on the right is Birdman of Eulora infamy
danielpbarron: dealing poker at porcfest; that picture was taken in the morning near the end of an all-night game
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assbot: I no longer understand my PhD dissertation (and what this means for Mathematics Education) — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1OViU0P )
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mircea_popescu: new party line i guess. proactively closing the uni financing gap and all that.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if most of the meatpuppets were doing whatever mathematical thing.
asciilifeform: so the reason has to be something else.
mircea_popescu: something else other than the uni-money pump can't be sustained anymore ? why ?
asciilifeform: because then the article would be 'the new, hip trade schools!11' or the like.
mircea_popescu: oh in somewaht lulzy news : obama is going to be in argentina 23-24th. he (and his 850 camp followers) is however not going to stay in buenos aires, but some far flung provincial shithole. either because afraid of running into me on corrientes, or else because petrified of LEFT WING PROTESTS.
mircea_popescu: cuz yeah, the socialists here more or less ready to firebomb the socialists from there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform much like soviet economy endgame, stuff isn't being replaced. simply removed.
asciilifeform: well yeah, but the ~order~ of removal is peculiar.
asciilifeform: most of the participants in the college racket are innocent of mathematics as it is.
mircea_popescu: why ? currently the harvard/mit/etc hedge funds masquerading as universities are pretty much the largest problem on fed's map.
mircea_popescu: oh, this isn't about math. this is about stem. stem costs TURKEY dollars.
mircea_popescu: the "studies" whores cost paper dollars.
PeterL: isn't the "m" in "stem" math?
asciilifeform: it used to ~cost~ when an engineering graduate expected to build bridges, pipelines.
asciilifeform: but not now.
mircea_popescu: you can replace the ~100 trn worth ivy league & friends that do a 10-20 bn spending on actual hardware each year and otherwise shuffle paper on the exchanges with a new-and-improved thing worth ~1-2 bn that spends 50 bucks on mcdonalsa a year.
asciilifeform: now he only expects, reasonably, to derp in cad and crap out 'intellectual property!111'
asciilifeform: he costs same as 'womenz studies' chick.
mircea_popescu: that's 100 trn in air bubble to breathe while the dod keeps losing trucks nominally full of trucks that were fully loaded with trucks.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform afaik this isn't true.
mircea_popescu: specifically : while the universities may well be pushing costs down as you describe, they're sure as fuck noty passing the savings up the chain to comecon.
mircea_popescu: notably enough : romania told the soviets to shut it, and as a result the policy was updated to allow people (ie, romania) to do w/e it pleases.
mircea_popescu: curious if any of the loser satellites will succeed, or for that matter try, something similar.
mircea_popescu: (but now we know what the "protests" were for. softening - in preparation of this.)
asciilifeform: (i am speaking of cost of his doing business. ~wage~ is paid in the same toilet paper to everybody in usaschwitz)
mircea_popescu: right. so am i.
mircea_popescu: PeterL only marginally.
mircea_popescu: you know what the eu cyclotron cost ? you know, that thing the us could never afford ?
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 18:20:51; mircea_popescu: specifically : while the universities may well be pushing costs down as you describe, they're sure as fuck noty passing the savings up the chain to comecon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it looks like, mit still is the hedge fund it was, whether it spends x on wage and y on fixed/capital goods or just x/2 on wage and epsilon on f/c
mircea_popescu: the savings show in mit's bottom line, not in the fed's.
asciilifeform: it's a usg crown hedgefund. in what sense does it not serve hitler ?
mircea_popescu: it is NOT a usg crown hedgefund anymore than romania was a soviet property.
asciilifeform: dunno about that, good chunk of mit income is direct usg grantolade
mircea_popescu: it has its own head. and this is a serious problem for the pretense of central planning, because they effectively suck down resources.
mircea_popescu: yep, it is.
mircea_popescu: try having children sometime, and then give them money, and then see what happens.
mircea_popescu: i don't think any human being in the history of this "man-woman family" idiocy has EVER heard "sure dad, go ahead, it's your money anyway"
mircea_popescu: ironically, sultans and other practitioners of "man-slavegirls-theirlitter family" did and regularly do hear such, for reasons that should be obvious and for which reason they're never discussed in idiocy-land.
asciilifeform: hey, now we have man-wienerschnitzel and woman-sofa phamily. pr0gr355555!111
PeterL: The chemistry building where I went to college sits adjacent to the "National superconducting cyclotron", they were in the process of building the "facility for rare isotope beams" when I graduated
jurov: Qntra shares distributed. shinohai see:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-10-2015#1290136
mircea_popescu: PeterL how much does that sorta thing cost ? you know ?
PeterL: I dunno, bunches of dollars?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is what i'm saying here making sense to you ?
asciilifeform: PeterL: the usg uni thing was originally a product of the 1950s wunderwaffen obsession, that has been fading since
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which
asciilifeform: the sultan thing ?
asciilifeform: not entirely
mircea_popescu: nah, the thing with money flow.
asciilifeform: the argument is clear but i don't see how the wunderwaffen payola is necessarily 'turkeydollar'
asciilifeform: so an engineer is paid 200k-usd. he spends it in same place as the lit major.
asciilifeform: housing racket.
mircea_popescu: because the cyclotron building either works or does not. and they can't lie about the latter.
mircea_popescu: nonononon
PeterL: heh, looks like they are still in the process of building it http://www.frib.msu.edu
assbot: Welcome to FRIB | frib.msu.edu ... ( http://bit.ly/1QY4PXR )
mircea_popescu: not that. "National superconducting cyclotron" < that.
asciilifeform: actually they can.
asciilifeform: familiar with the webb space telescope ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, beause the euros and the chinese are building actual working things.
asciilifeform: 1) spend $xx B on project.
asciilifeform: 2) cancel 'at last minute'
mircea_popescu: PeterL see what i mean ?
asciilifeform: 3) profit!111
thestringpuller: free money111
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only works if you're alone. the us is quite behind in tech fixed goods atm.
mircea_popescu: QUITE behind.
mircea_popescu: this means the good chinese phds do not go there anymore ; and that the americans who aren't fucktarded long left.
PeterL: well, the cyclotron works currently, the frib is an addition
asciilifeform: place is still packed with chinese.
mircea_popescu: and all the smoke and mirrors the vc freakshow may aim to deploy with software ain't gonna help lipstick this one pig.
asciilifeform: and usa is quite alone in its solipsist hell.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's all sorts of chinese, and enough of each sort, to feed all bologna factories both with workers and raw material. and still have leftover actual phjds.
asciilifeform: (no one knows or cares about chinese telescope here.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform recall the lulz i had in the logs when it was discovered the icbc, an economic institution with a sheet larger than the entire us banking sector, was actually NOT EVEN TRADED in the us ?
assbot: Crystal myth: 11 more retractions from crystallography journal after 2010 fakery - Retraction Watch at Retraction Watch ... ( http://bit.ly/21c48tB )
mircea_popescu: pinksheets, barely, a fund-of-a-fund thing ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seeing how the article is about english articles, exactly not like those.
asciilifeform: so, meta-china ?
asciilifeform: the one that doesn't publish anything ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL your definition of works being, of course, that it's never included in any actual measurements of anything. look through the actual research sheets, the euros never bother asking them to replicate jack.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform publishes plenty, and the ru even translate here and there.
asciilifeform: can haz example?
mircea_popescu: no, because i don't read chinese, nor actually care punctually. i just get (and care about) synthetic reports.
asciilifeform: the ghost cities suggest that cn beats usa at entirely everything, including fraud and bezzle.
mircea_popescu: sure. but the stupid parts are not of particular interest here.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile i asked for sauce
mircea_popescu: here you go, very partial list of first pass : http://dpaste.com/2823GVE
assbot: dpaste: 2823GVE ... ( http://bit.ly/21c52q1 )
asciilifeform: what even is this
asciilifeform: library catalogue ?
asciilifeform: it is not a mega-surprise that there are libraries in cn.
asciilifeform: but where is the room-temp supercon.
asciilifeform: it is in the same nowhere as here, afaik.
mircea_popescu: libraries in cn about physics written in cn by cn that you can't get in english
asciilifeform: (though uncle al had a pretty solid suspicion that they built his eotvostron)
mircea_popescu: was the discussion.
mircea_popescu: and curse you, now i want to read inept shit about cuprate superconductives.
mircea_popescu: blergh. i knew i shouldn't have done this.
asciilifeform: that has... english abstract.
asciilifeform: as most of'em appear to.
asciilifeform: (why???!)
mircea_popescu: no idea.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 18:27:43; jurov: Qntra shares distributed. shinohai see:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-10-2015#1290136
asciilifeform: where did mircea_popescu even get this list. took it off a dead nazi ?
PeterL: "English is the language of science!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the way my intel works is that i don't give a shit about the source data, i read summaries of summaries. but god fucking help you if i go for a endpoint-to-endpoint spot check and the whole conduit isn't there.
mircea_popescu: so if i want the raw for something, i can generally get the raw for something.
mircea_popescu: or as much as fits in the buffer i'm willing to handle, at any rate.
PeterL: Abstract in English so that people can decide whether or not they need to get the rest of the paper translated
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reasonable.
mircea_popescu: PeterL honestly i suspect it's more of a "we're slowly outgrowing this quaint historical convention where it's what's done."
mircea_popescu: !up CryptoSiD
CryptoSiD: hello
CryptoSiD: why do i get voiced
CryptoSiD: im that popular!
CryptoSiD: feel like a freenode star right now:D
mircea_popescu: who're you ?
CryptoSiD: im CryptoSiD!
mircea_popescu: !down CryptoSiD
mircea_popescu: have fun now.
shinohai: lolz
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, i guess good intel works pretty much like you want your lisp ast thing to work.
mircea_popescu: surprising i guess ~ no one
asciilifeform: correct things are all quite alike, broken crapolade is each broken in its own broken-glass way
asciilifeform: or how did it go.
mircea_popescu: somethinglike.that
mircea_popescu: and in other gross and deeply disturbing news you had no idea you were interested in : the right way to get the butt flavour in girl's mouth is to fuck ass with condom on, then take it off and have her suck you. bacteria - do not cross the silicon barrier. mercaptans and other intoxicating goodies - do.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo should i do a small piece on argentina or really too far off scope ? << Go for it
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421174 can you please substantiate? you're not saving anything much algorithmically-wise by rejecting tx with unconfiremd inputs
assbot: Logged on 03-03-2016 17:37:20; asciilifeform: sturles: do you know what an ~algorithmic complexity attack~ is ?
jurov: verification is not O(1) even if no unconfirmed inputs is enforced, it's O(N) where N is number of inputs
jurov: to compare, implementing mircea's ring buffer with both random insertion and low memory overhead, now that's some real algorithmic complication on C machine
jurov: (i actually did the prototype, noone picked it up yet, really gnarly)
jurov: it will be done some day in shivascheme, maybe even by me, but I don't seehow to keep good (or predictable) memory usage
jurov: this is *the* problem, not chained unconfirmed transactions
mircea_popescu: jurov> (i actually did the prototype, noone picked it up yet, really gnarly) << yeah i know it's rather miserable.
asciilifeform: jurov: iirc your prototype crashed for everybody
thestringpuller: LOL. my coworkers just bailed. it's weird being the responsibile one...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1421921 << this is nonsense, please take 5 min to think !
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 19:21:33; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2016#1421174 can you please substantiate? you're not saving anything much algorithmically-wise by rejecting tx with unconfiremd inputs
asciilifeform: a mysterymeat orphan piece of shit takes up ~space~
asciilifeform: and if you allow chained tx, now you have to walk the mempool when checking the validity of ~any~ incoming tx.
asciilifeform: what is so hard to grasp about this.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 19:28:45; jurov: to compare, implementing mircea's ring buffer with both random insertion and low memory overhead, now that's some real algorithmic complication on C machine
assbot: The Fibonacci heap ruins my life ... ( http://bit.ly/1QyEEl6 )
jurov: you have to "walk" mempool for every tx regardless
jurov: to check for conflicts
asciilifeform: this is the miner's job
asciilifeform: a tx that spends an input that is not yet spent in an actual block, is valid.
asciilifeform: (assuming that it is validly signed, and violates no rule)
jurov: so i can generate N doublespends with high tx fee and you're happily gonna carryy them in mempool and propagate?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes.
asciilifeform: jurov: absolutely.
asciilifeform: how am i to know which one is 'double'
mircea_popescu: the notion that it works any other way is so fucktarfded i couldn't begin to explain it
asciilifeform: and which - the 'legit'.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13110 @ 0.00055846 = 7.3214 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and if one day a double jurov appears, your wife better fuck BOTH of you, and well, or else she gets beaten.
mircea_popescu: and by both, for EACH case once. so four times.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35640 @ 0.00055829 = 19.8975 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: who has seen the film 'the prestige' ?
jurov: i have no words
mircea_popescu: i did not.
asciilifeform: it is kinda about this.
asciilifeform: and overall notbad.
mircea_popescu adding to list
mircea_popescu: i "saw" 6 films ion the space of an hour last night
mircea_popescu: "close and wipe this. how the fuck did it end up in ?" x6.
mircea_popescu: "well it had kidman and malkovich in it" sorta answers.
jurov: and the rule is simple - the 'double' is the one with lower txfee.
mircea_popescu: jesus the shit people will act in.
mircea_popescu: jurov that's the end result, once proper ring buffer sorts by fee yes.
asciilifeform: jurov: aha
jurov: if there same and lower, jsut drop it
mircea_popescu: but it is absolutely not the relay's fucking job to attempt to otherwise "check" txns
mircea_popescu: "is it signed validly ? are the inputs in blocks ?" and that is IT.
asciilifeform: from miner's pov, that'd be a defective relay
asciilifeform: and is to be eschewed.
asciilifeform: it is really not so fucking hard to grasp the protocol
asciilifeform: (though a number of folks do a mighty fine job failing, somehow, to)
mircea_popescu: you mean to guess what the protocol should have been
jurov: the realy that allows to fillt is mempool by conflicting transactions is indeed defective
jurov: damn kdb
mircea_popescu: there is absolutely nothing wrong relaying multiple txn that spend the same inputs ; there is EVERYTHING wrong with the notion you shouldn't do this.
asciilifeform: jurov: beyond 'throw out the cheapo crapola', it is not relay's place to resolve the conflict.
mircea_popescu: certainly ANY relay that currently drops on the floor a VALIDLY SIGNED txn is broken. no possible argument here.
mircea_popescu: the job of relaying is - to relay.
asciilifeform: well, validly-signed but inputs-already-spent-and-this-is-in-a-block is noise.
jurov: so, i'll spend 1 btc million times with 0.1 fee, feed it to you and you'll be like "not my problem"?
mircea_popescu: the overarching design principle being that ALL the information deciding the treatment of a txn MUST BE ~COMPLETELY~ in the txn in question.
mircea_popescu: you may NOT have state.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have a permitted state - it is called the blockchain.
asciilifeform: as in, the actual blocks.
jurov: this is wankery.
mircea_popescu: and the idiots that made a state machine out of the fucking relays are so stupid it's basically inhuman.
jurov: and won't work in practice.
asciilifeform: jurov: works great in practice. in your trb node.
jurov: my node does check for conflicts
jurov: that works great, too
jurov: !up Reydev
asciilifeform: jurov: checks for conflicts ?!
asciilifeform: and what does it reject ??
asciilifeform: whatever comes second ??
jurov: so far, yes
asciilifeform: verily this is lame.
jurov: letting memory to fill with turds isn't lame?
jurov: both are.
asciilifeform: it isn't a turd if it is valid.
asciilifeform: (well, it can be, if it falls below the specified fee/byte mark)
jurov: your memory together for all the conficted txs falls below the specified fee/byte mark, you can admit at least this is true
asciilifeform: jurov: the logical thing to do would be to resolve all conflicts by maximizing fee.
asciilifeform: the only logical thing.
asciilifeform: but 'seen first is The One' is asinine.
jurov: but ALL the conflicts have same $maxint fee
jurov: YES, first one, si asinine, lit's move on
jurov: i don't argue to keep current algo!
jurov: i just am asking ahy you give your memory so cheaply?
asciilifeform: the original thread was re: how the current protocol, which allows a tx to refer to unconfirmed inputs, is retarded.
jurov: and you reacted by putting forward no less retarded notion to keep everythign that has inputs in block
asciilifeform: while maximizing summed fee, aha
asciilifeform: what's the problem with that ?
asciilifeform: and yes, you sum over the non-conflicting tx.
jurov: but then you have to check for conflicts!
trinque: lol
jurov: am i dense or what's happening here
asciilifeform: you check ~when expelling~ from the pool
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> but 'seen first is The One' is asinine. << srsly.
jurov: either there's a state machine that considers other txen in mempool, or no conflict resolution, there's no third way
mircea_popescu: no conflict resolution.
mircea_popescu: it is not a relayer job.
mircea_popescu: dumbass doing the original ~prototype~ had nfi of design, ended up shoehorning everything in everything else
mircea_popescu: producing the equivalent of penises with a clitoral hood and cunts with a bit of penile foreskin and on and on.
jurov: no conflict resolution = free memory for attacker
jurov: messing with your clitoris wont change it
asciilifeform: conflict resolution == free cpu for attacker.
jurov: how free?
jurov: they must make all these zillion conflicting signatures
jurov: and also loses txfee when one of these tx is mined
jurov: oh and actually, how do you check if enemy sends the same tx many times?
jurov: without even producing new sigs?
asciilifeform: he can make'em in O(1)
asciilifeform: you resolve in O(N^2).
asciilifeform: asymptotic death.
jurov: why O(N)?
jurov: *why not
mircea_popescu: jurov> no conflict resolution = free memory for attacker << you drop stuff under minfee.
mircea_popescu: jurov because you have to search omg.
jurov: mircea_popescu of course. please reread and think
mircea_popescu: EVEN if you build a tree - which you do not, chiefly because don't know how - you STILL lose out on the rebalancings
mircea_popescu: which you must do and he - not.
jurov: we don't have anything better than cartesian joins?
jurov: eh why do i strive here, like with NAT, inputs vs. addresses and maybe several other things, you will eventually come to terms with what i meant
jurov: after several months of screaming STUPIDITY and listing NAT.ROUTERS and whatnot
mircea_popescu: well, for practicing speech if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: what do you think this is in reference to ?
jurov: i explained why NAT is stupid, like one way telephone that only accepts calls, you laughed at me and told you wouldn't want any other
jurov: *that only allows outgoing calls
jurov: then we had dicsussion where I was unable to explain why addresses aren't spent, but outputs are, same reult
mircea_popescu: specifically : "<jurov> after several months of screaming STUPIDITY and listing NAT.ROUTERS and whatnot" << you propose i did what ?
jurov: why did you list NAT.ROUTERS?
jurov: "list"
mircea_popescu: i have no fucking idea, it's a random string. it certainly didn't have some sort of intention, and i was certainly not thinking of you.
mircea_popescu: i think i had moneys-something in there for a while also, or whatever.
mircea_popescu: but this aside. so you said nat routers are stupid and i said i'm happy with them and this evnetually means i came to terms to what, using the jurov two way router ? or what ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what's the cannonical article re pres. bahamas, witgh the pic ? the asean one ?
jurov: overall, i feel i can't explain myself well to you no matter what i try
mircea_popescu: in all cases when what you're trying to explain makes no sense or generally ?
jurov: in many cases. then alf or someone other explains again and you get it
mircea_popescu: must be frustrating. well, generally a good starting point of understanding a problem is, making a list of observed cases.
mircea_popescu: but the important part there is making the complete list, like with any other scientific approach.
jurov: yes this needs some examples and i don't have it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suppose his idea is, in plainer english, that in principle fee is no deterrent, because if he makes 1mn txn that are all valid but spend the same inputs, only one can be eventgually mined and so he can create as many txn as he wants for you to relay and only pay the fee once, eventually. whereas only keeping the first seen one protects from this.
mircea_popescu: how this is supposed to be an argument against sane design i have no idea, but whatevs, "kludge works for me" is how we get kludges ever since kludge one.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo what's the cannonical article re pres. bahamas, witgh the pic ? the asean one ? << yes
mircea_popescu: plox to change ref then
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1422061 << i betcha that mircea_popescu could make an argument for nat! perhaps involving greek slavegurlz who can only speak outside the households through master's lips, or the like.
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 20:46:43; jurov: why did you list NAT.ROUTERS?
assbot: Please stop using DNS already, and other considerations on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1XPA1bf )
mircea_popescu: the current abomination was never intended re : internet.
mircea_popescu: flatware etatist bullshit.
asciilifeform: and it comes back to the tx thing like this: eventually we learn who shat out the million crud tx.
asciilifeform: and stop peering with him.
asciilifeform: and then he has to beg, to use the network at all.
asciilifeform: the net-as-publictoilet era will end.
asciilifeform: and good fucking riddance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's no such actual thing as flatgraph - only star topology with thinly disguised star.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the net-as-publictoilet era will e << and this is exactly the situation we have now, except we don't like the miners.
mircea_popescu: the expectation you'll fix broken protocol sociall is inept.
mircea_popescu: fix the protocol.
asciilifeform: the ancient and inevitable pill for such situations is called:
mircea_popescu: war is the thing that happens when idiots fucked up the design.
mircea_popescu: anyway, back to the issue. having nodes discard dupes is in principle stupid ; having nodes discard dupes on a first-seen basis is entirely warantless ; trying to run an implementation of this design will run into problems.
asciilifeform: my point was, minertards won't go willingly into the good night.
mircea_popescu: the problem ~MAY~ be that bitcoin transactions are dupe-able in the first place, for instance.\
mircea_popescu: which is why bitcoin protocol discussions are so complex, and the whole thing so hard : because omfg, the complexity. you don't even rightly know where the problem comes from really, in the rat's nest.
asciilifeform: (and the protocol actually selects for idiots, smart folks don't mine)
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 21:16:20; mircea_popescu: the problem ~MAY~ be that bitcoin transactions are dupe-able in the first place, for instance.\
asciilifeform: what's this mean
mircea_popescu: yes, what ?
mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then a) the protocol would actually make a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way.
asciilifeform: bitstrings are 'dupable' by nature, bitcoin's whole purpose is to hack around this, to the extent physically possible, like a ship is a hack around the sea
mircea_popescu: they don't have to be.
asciilifeform: it still isn't '1 way' - sig nonce, timestamp, scriptolade...
mircea_popescu: (yes i'm aware that the above example allows no payments other than in multiples of 50 btc for a while, then multiples of 25, and EVENTUALLY in sasothis. MIND YOU that this is a feature and what you are using now a bug - da fuck do you do when the coinbase is split up in all the satoshis it could be ? ha ? oh, "works for you as it is" ? ty.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform none of that.
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asciilifeform: i like unitary coinz.
mircea_popescu: of course you do.
mircea_popescu: because unlike shitforbrainsatosi stuff, they make sense.
asciilifeform: my useless unpublished 'bitcoin' circa 07 - had.
asciilifeform: unitaries.
asciilifeform: like castle title.
mircea_popescu: i just put that there to generally and pars pro toto show that when i say bitcoin is a steaming pile of shit, and broadly an undesigned kludge i mean very specific things.
mircea_popescu: and derpy arguments "won" with me over the particular brokedness of the prototype implementation are roughly the same value and consistency as used toiletpaper.
asciilifeform: i suspect that we all here know which.
mircea_popescu: im not even sure I know which! there's too many. and the bitch with things like these is you always forget one.
mircea_popescu: heck, i usually forget two.
asciilifeform: bitcoin is a desperate wartime wunderwaffen.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Hold on to your butts – Argentina is going on sale. - http://qntra.net/2016/03/hold-on-to-your-butts-argentina-is-going-on-sale/
mircea_popescu: o hey! check me out i'm a qntra star!
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo wonders how hot a bride one can acquire from Argentina in 12 months by bartering a 40 foot container of nyger seed
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i dun think they even ~make~ non-hot gurlz in ar
asciilifeform: go, see.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Do two or three brides for a container of thistle seed is possibru?
mircea_popescu: if you're not picky about tall, you can prolly have brides for the feeding.
mircea_popescu: go to teh provinces.
mircea_popescu: they don't make ~fat~ gurlz here. but they do make shorties.
BingoBoingo: short's fine
shinohai: Just realized I had a misspelling in that dpaste I sent BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: i have nfi whether they make good pets tho
shinohai: actually, two
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Then just resubmit, haven't opened it yet.
shinohai: ok one moment
assbot: dpaste: 3PSTK7V ... ( http://bit.ly/1LFuodR )
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2016 21:19:30; mircea_popescu: for instance (and plox, before we run off with it - example only!) : if every tx was defined as "only 1 input - only 1 output" and if you wanted to make a larger payment youy'd have to make MULTIPLE txn, then a) the protocol would actually make a lot more sense, atomicity-wise and b) you wouldn't have the problems jurov describes. because pay x to y with fee z would exist EXACTLY one way.
asciilifeform: can still transmit 'x -> y' and 'x -> q'
asciilifeform: where y != q
asciilifeform: but verily, s put the turingcompleteness in the ONE place it least belonged, the tx processor.
asciilifeform: rabid idiocy.
asciilifeform: as we have it, comparing 2 tx is.. undecidable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as i said, just example.
mircea_popescu: at least on this design the problem is sanely approacheable - make address creation REASONABLY expensive, for SANE, DEFINED, PROTOCOL reasons.
asciilifeform: it solves malleability- but not doubles
mircea_popescu: not "why is it chained liek so ?" "uhhhh... [spittle dribbling]" as is currently the case.
mircea_popescu: so that someone asking for a payment to address x already has skin in the game - whatever it cost him to make the address.
asciilifeform: pow to make addr?
mircea_popescu: why not ?
asciilifeform: interesting idea
mircea_popescu: i'm just saying - if you're actually designing, you DESIGN.
mircea_popescu: if shit just falls on the ground and you try to pretend it's art, on the other hand...
asciilifeform: aha. my design, for instance, had tx-as-integer
asciilifeform: addr - prime
asciilifeform: tx-making - modular exp.
asciilifeform: you can sorta guess the rest.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Rewrite with an emphasis on how stupid everyone involved in this has to be for this shit to have even been uttered.
hanbot: <mircea_popescu> i did not. << you saw it, you didn't like it
mircea_popescu: which one was this ?!
hanbot: you know, where they got david bowie to play tesla.
mircea_popescu: oh the one with blondy whats her face ?
hanbot: buncha sepia-toned stage magician stuffs with typical christopher nolan over-foreboding.
asciilifeform: mentioned re: duplicates.
hanbot: and yeah, her.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: It's a lulzy thing, but it needs more of a hook
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, wanna-be the superimaginarium/illusionist except with very bad historic research.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it was so miserable i even deleted it from ram.
mircea_popescu: doublespent!
asciilifeform: imaginarium rocked.
mircea_popescu: hard to beat.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Mebbe bring an actual pathogen into the discussion so as to contrast this herpajerk
shinohai: I warned you I was a very green journalist.
BingoBoingo: I know that's why now you gotta practiced.
BingoBoingo: Since you submitted this I expect you to resumbit better this.
BingoBoingo still awaits mp's Trilema review of the Verhoeven masterpiece Robocop
mircea_popescu: i loved that when i was... i dunno, 9 ?
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BingoBoingo: But did you write it up on Trilema when you were 9?
mircea_popescu: nope. which may well mean it missed its chance
BingoBoingo: Shame, the #b-a canon it poorer for it.
mircea_popescu: you write it! you got a blog neh ?
BingoBoingo: Ah, but that would be the lesser Bingo review of Robocop. What do you think authors are, fungible?
shinohai: Shit bbib I need a drink.
assbot: git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/log ... ( http://bit.ly/1VWTwNP )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would be interesting if a valid addr could only come to exist with a coinbase formation !
asciilifeform: great plebespray.
asciilifeform: perhaps i had everything backwards.. possibly, being able to transact ~without~ mining, is the bug. not mining...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00055747 = 12.7382 BTC [-]
assbot: git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwW9IF )
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: now that's a thought-provoker.
asciilifeform: ~nobody wants to admit, but ~the~ mega-problem of bitcoin is... that it is FAR too accessible.
trinque: This feature is independent of --use-tor and automagically uses Tor if available. << wahahahahaha
asciilifeform: trinque: and he checks for it by running hardcoded shellout...
trinque: who can discern malicious actor from useful idiot in this sea of shit
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> perhaps i had everything backwards << which is exactly my metapoint here. for as long as such can occur, it is CLEAR we don't have the perimeter of this thing yet.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> ~nobody wants to admit << nobody wants to admit except for the guy that's been saying it for years. yeh!
asciilifeform: but imho i found the '2nd law of thermo' in re bitcoin- the nothing-for-showing-up principle.
mircea_popescu: may the historians long name you for it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha 1 guy
asciilifeform: trinque: what is the point of attempting this distinction?
asciilifeform: !s wyatt dog
assbot: 4 results for 'wyatt dog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=wyatt+dog
mircea_popescu: "This patch also fixes a memory leak of opt.keyserver en passant." << first rule of koch, drepper, weiner & all nsa goons : ALWAYS bundle new vulns with memory leak fixes etc.
trinque: most people are and have always been followers; it is the leaders who are the problem
mircea_popescu: "en passant" indeed.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
mircea_popescu: trinque no, this is certainly malicious to the hilt.
asciilifeform: how else.
assbot: SegWit forked unexpectedly on testnet - The Bitcoin Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qrhyiv )
mircea_popescu: nobody ever did or ever would do this combo except deliberately and for this reason.
mircea_popescu: lol shinohai
mircea_popescu: feel free to qntra, all the lulz.
asciilifeform: anyway i have a fat bag of this horror
asciilifeform: dug for ages.
asciilifeform: thoroughly revolting.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see the malice in the act, but am commenting on the pervasiveness of propaganda such that malicious acts can be projected through many obedient, subservient nodes
asciilifeform: e.g., usb (!!!) invocations
asciilifeform: read, weep
asciilifeform: how long, i wonder, has koch been dead.
assbot: git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/commitdiff ... ( http://bit.ly/24GUC64 )
asciilifeform: ^ run moar dns
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assbot: git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/24GVlEo )
asciilifeform: 'Remove gethostbyname hack;
asciilifeform: we require getaddrinfo anyway.'
assbot: git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/24GVuaQ )
assbot: git.gnupg.org Git - gnupg.git/commit ... ( http://bit.ly/24GVA2j )
asciilifeform: 'For dirmngr I made liberal use of getaddrinfo w/o
asciilifeform: without checking. Just in case someone tries to build on an old
asciilifeform: platform we now error our with a suitable #error.'
mircea_popescu: you know... we aren't using this shit for a [number of] reasons.
asciilifeform: well yeah
asciilifeform: but i can't fathom WHY he did it
asciilifeform: or what, was impaled ?
mircea_popescu: why. cuz he's an evil goatfucker.
asciilifeform: was born one ?
asciilifeform: if so, why did he write gpg to begin with, as disinfo ?
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mircea_popescu: you understand how virulence works in pathogens ?
asciilifeform: i think so.
asciilifeform: e.g., ebola burnout.
mircea_popescu: he's a fuycking spirochete. does useful shit until govt shows up.
mircea_popescu: one can have zona zooster by the pail in the system, nothing happens
mircea_popescu: then one day you eat the wrong end of a lovage leaf and holy shit you're covered in hives.
asciilifeform: is this a p450 thing ?
asciilifeform: i could've sworn we had a thread.
BingoBoingo: !s CYP450
assbot: 1 results for 'CYP450' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=CYP450
BingoBoingo: !s CYP 450
assbot: 4 results for 'CYP 450' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=CYP+450
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danielpbarron: this having a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! I got a finished article in the hopper, and a stub still to be fleshed out.
danielpbarron: started with the impulse to post something on twatter, pasted it into a draft instead, and expanded from there.
shinohai: I am trying your drink recipe tonight danielpbarron I think I got everything I needed.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> this having a blog thing is pretty sweet; wish I started it sooner! << HA!
shinohai: I was at the liquor store and was like "Hey danielpbarron made a blog post about some drink today, lemme try that!"
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shinohai: Disney, mircea_popescu style: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1457141383727.png
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-03-2016#1422228 << they were using incompatible versions on the same network... what can be expected
shinohai: Yeah upon further investigation I decided it was a non-event.
adlai: the "double spend" is quite a oui-event, even if it was caused by pessimal interaction with eg sturles's node
shinohai: This shit is fucking delicious danielpbarron
shinohai: I am guaranteed kinky sex tonight when gf gets here and tastes it.
adlai: danielpbarron: congratulations on getting the round tuit!
danielpbarron is now trying his first attempt at a sort-of cantarina (sort-of because apparently it's supposed to have club soda, although I'm not sure if that's a requirement, or if a side-effect of most bars not having fresh grapefruit and use a grapefruit flavored soda instead)
danielpbarron: and to my surprise the quarter orange i decided to go with is not overpowered by the whole grapefruit or the half lime/lemon
danielpbarron: heh, also tonight i learned that you do not want to squeeze a kiwi, but I have not yet ruled out muddling
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31600 @ 0.00055706 = 17.6031 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu broadcast sent !
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Loper OS » Where Lisp Fails: at Turning People into Fungible Cogs. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qx0oB9 )
asciilifeform: what a high-ranking reich officer!
asciilifeform: visits my obscure corner of the world.
asciilifeform: supposing that it was him (the man doesn't pgp.)
danielpbarron: contradiction! only men pgp
adlai: fallacy! lack of female pgp speakers does not imply absence of male imbeciles
asciilifeform: adlai: hey they aren't all extinct! there is still hanbot and diana_coman
adlai: fallacies are usable on false axioms, too
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo megatonne of crapple trial crapolade on cryptome, if you still care
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: there's plenty of women using pgp.
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is peter norvig anyway ?
asciilifeform: google cto.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00055921 = 2.852 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah, and bullshit textbook on ai that leads nowhere.
asciilifeform: and author of a really great schoolbook circa 1991, and a terrifyingly abysmal one in 1997.
mircea_popescu: here's a hint : google search quality peaked in 2001
asciilifeform: feedstock quality peaked in '93.
mircea_popescu: anyway, "we own him now" "heh" "and this is why we bought usernet archive, too" "get lost" "why won't you think we're cool!" "because you're old, and lame, and smell bad"
asciilifeform: somethinglikethat.
asciilifeform: and herr norvig, if indeed it is him, is on a comcast line.
asciilifeform: (as was cia director!)
asciilifeform: go figure.
asciilifeform: i'd demand at least a t3 in his place.
asciilifeform: srsly, wtf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25866 @ 0.00055584 = 14.3774 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how the world works.
mircea_popescu: and - more importantly - why.
asciilifeform: evidently.
asciilifeform: but sure, i get it, molotov didn't even get to demand that his wife be let go from gulag.
asciilifeform: much less t3.
mircea_popescu: this is important. not for the "good of the people", as it is broadly misdirected - but for the continued delusion of the imbeciles in question.
mircea_popescu: by NOT getting t3, norvig thinks EVEN MORE of the imbecile system he's plugged into.
asciilifeform: now i'm lost.
asciilifeform: how does this work.
mircea_popescu: because he is, fundamentally, a woman, of that miserable, medieval kind. you gotta beat her.
asciilifeform: isn't being a bureaucrat, beating enough ?
mircea_popescu: creo quia absurdum est and all that crap.
mircea_popescu: mno. people get used to it.
mircea_popescu: why ~the fuck~ do you suppose the koreans gotta do ever more inane absurd shit ? isn't being a korean bad enough ?
asciilifeform: they also get used to 'comcast.'
mircea_popescu: no, it never lasts.
mircea_popescu: which is why they'll get moved to dormitories in due time.
mircea_popescu: and then chair seats will be replaced with dildoes.
mircea_popescu: this is why they gotta fucking come up with a "cultural war" about sitting in the fucking bus.
asciilifeform: which, as far as i can tell, does not yet protrude into meatspace in a way visible to naked eye
mircea_popescu: you just saw it with naked eye ?
asciilifeform: possibly.
mircea_popescu: norvig can, on the basis of his achievements such as they are, live a life his father would have thought good enough for a blue colar laborer.
mircea_popescu: this, not protrude ?
asciilifeform: but for all i know, this norvig is a joker and the real norvig is with his harem.
mircea_popescu: because obama has a harem, right ?
asciilifeform: l0l, lacking an intel dept., i can't be entirely certain that he does not.
asciilifeform: but will take mircea_popescu's word.
mircea_popescu: a HAREM. not a bevy of women to fuck. a harem.
mircea_popescu: it is an institution. it is when a man is invited to seat at a table, and he explains that "you will have to seat five women, because i am not married - i am haremed."
asciilifeform: then sure.
asciilifeform: fair'nuff.
mircea_popescu: it is when a man ridicules the nuttery of singles marriage, openly, and doesn't entertain it, openly. it's some luxuries no us president ever had.
mircea_popescu: because poverty.
asciilifeform: kennedy prolly could've, if he weren't stuck caesaropapisming in a weird religion.
mircea_popescu: but he DIDNT. he pretended that mudsickle of jackie is an actual woman.
mircea_popescu: did he say, on tv, "bitch you either eat out marylin or ima flay you alive and hang your disgusting carcass by the south gate" ?
asciilifeform: obligatory:
assbot: Mayor McCheese Gets Assassinated - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1YdpiHN )
asciilifeform: for n00bz: reference to jackie having actually picked up pieces of jfk's brain and tried to stuff back in!
mircea_popescu: well... that i can see.
mircea_popescu: dude the junk on your blog's unreadable. /me made the mistake to try to wade through comments.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: i recall trying this once before, yars ago, and not being quite as oripilated.
asciilifeform: it was always.
mircea_popescu: i think b-a is ruining me for interidiotnet.
asciilifeform: where, precisely, are the non-junk comments to come from ?
mircea_popescu: pff, check it out, english spells it with h ? horripilated ? tsk.
mircea_popescu: (ancient latin word - horror-haired)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26840 @ 0.00055642 = 14.9343 BTC [+] {3}
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