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assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 02:24:16; nubbins`: speak now if you believe a lord that has contributed TRB patches, who owns the second-largest s.mg stock warrant, who trades in the only physical collectibles that are priced solely in BTC, who pays the bill for eulora.org, who is the republic's de facto minister of letters awaiting with bated quill the whittling-down of a codebase fit to publish, should be stripped of his title; speak your treason now, th
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2016 04:32:44; nubbins`: what's pete doing on the list anyway
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danielpbarron: !up ggggg
ggggg: TQ
danielpbarron: yw, who are you?
ggggg: just a lurkr crypto guy
danielpbarron: lots of those around these days
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83751 @ 0.00055342 = 46.3495 BTC [+]
ggggg: did not know about https://bitbet.us
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29549 @ 0.00055342 = 16.353 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: ah, so not lurking for very long then
ggggg: lol ... I am more alt less btc
danielpbarron: which alts?
punkman: eth at 0.012 btc
ggggg: all of them ... fan of UNO
ggggg: $eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware
danielpbarron: why UNO?
ggggg: merge mined with btc network, low inflation
punkman: ggggg: eth's still vaporware
ggggg: true, but there is $ backing it
punkman: is UNO the unobtainium one?
danielpbarron assumed so
ggggg: the unobtainium one ;)
punkman: what was it, 12 coins max?
ggggg: about 200k coins right now ... max 250k will take 300 odd years to mine the last 5th
punkman: but can I buy a loongson with it?
ggggg: you can buy anything you want, just as long as it is under $100
ggggg: liquidity is low
mats: rofl
punkman: http://unobtanium.uno/ they even have a TLD
assbot: Unobtanium - UNO | The original rare cryptocurrency ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcXwJe )
mats: 10/10 jokes ggggg
ben_vulpes was halfway hoping for a different kind of crypto animal
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread?
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 03:35:07; punkman: sokoban as PoW would be interesting
punkman: ben_vulpes: remind me
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danielpbarron: i rememer that one, and it related to mining needing to take up enormous physical space in order to scale
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79848 @ 0.00056324 = 44.9736 BTC [+] {2}
ben_vulpes: punkman: i wish i remembered more, or could effectively dig up the thread
ben_vulpes: paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual
ben_vulpes: things i recall:
ben_vulpes: - nothing
punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a).
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deedbot-: [Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/
deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29600 @ 0.00055515 = 16.4324 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b92
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assbot: Industrial Society and Its Future - Wikisource, the free online library ... ( http://bit.ly/23YGvZB )
BingoBoingo: !up smooth
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 449700 @ 0.00055181 = 248.149 BTC [-] {8}
BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow
punkman: "Categories: Commodities to End Climate Change, Data Seance, Smart Garbage, Monetizing Children, Artisanal Ad Networks, The Sharing Economy, Fetal Leaning In, Disrupting Solid Foods, Open Source Debtors Prison, 3D Printed Drugs, Deepest Learning, Compostable Neural Networks, Cybersecurity, Ayn Rand, Edible Electronics, Virtual Reality (For Babies)"
BingoBoingo: Where is this?
punkman: the stupid hackathon
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assbot: C.U.L.T.S ... ( http://bit.ly/1TemCdi )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00055535 = 19.826 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: punkman: That is just beautiful
assbot: Radio - Post & Tele Museum ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4Cx6b )
assbot: The chips are down for Moore’s law : Nature News & Comment ... ( http://bit.ly/1O4COGd )
BingoBoingo: !up da2ce7
da2ce7: hello
da2ce7: :)
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.00055931 = 28.5807 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402711 << recall, mircea_popescu came up with a spiffier one since then
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:39:07; ben_vulpes: paging mircea_popescu, asciilifeform, per usual
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:56:52; punkman: in other nyooz, made some progress on punkdiff. I added file deletions without including the deleted lines in the diff. Now working on sane renaming, but I'm thinking it might be better to have renames represented as (copy a to b)+(delete a).
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/
BingoBoingo: Seriously
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 10:29:04; deedbot-: [Qntra] Cattle Rancher And American Patriot Cliven Bundy Arrested In Portland - http://qntra.net/2016/02/cattle-rancher-and-american-patriot-cliven-bundy-arrested-in-portland/
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402667 << old rusty benz is tmsr infrastructure now ??
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 05:29:21; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2016#1401850 << how dare you challenge the lord of the vehicles
asciilifeform: can my old sapping shovel be also?
asciilifeform: how about lispm.
BingoBoingo: My Remington MB-20 beard trimmer is plainly essential #b-a infrastructure
asciilifeform: if pete_d's benz then it also yes!
BingoBoingo: It's seriously pretty sweet though. Uses two AA batteries so not ruined when internal nicd or li-ion battery quits
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PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention?
punkman: asciilifeform: .. << turing-complete vtron or bust << I'll get there eventually. Though, I think the standard unified-diff representation is useful even if patchons consisting of script are available.
BingoBoingo: PeterL: Brokered convention? Could be very interesting. I won't pledge to bet it without seeing the form it takes
danielpbarron: i bet on there being a brokered convention last timme
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all --currency rmb
gribble: BTCChina BTCRMB last: 2590.0, vol: 20984.45070000 | Volume-weighted last average: 2590.0
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 379.11, vol: 7161.37862854 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 384.577, vol: 5665.8749 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 380.94, vol: 20247.87538418 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 389.0, vol: 0.35414649 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 393.68, vol: 20987.53210000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 381.81986, vol: 1050.75864489 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 381.35658943, vol: 105.63472011 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 385.935598679
assbot: Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 )
punkman: all that money and they can't put a fucking volume slider on their audio player
assbot: Volume control | SoundCloud Community Forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pCB2 )
kakobrekla: volume control? that wouldnt look cool.
punkman: they have volume control on soundcloud.com, but there's this radio show I listen to, they started embedding soundcloud recently and there's no volume control on it. and of course there is no way to find the embedded tracks on their soundcloud profile.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 126550 @ 0.00056141 = 71.0464 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: I bet they have 3 teams of "usability" experts.
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assbot: LLVM Patches Confirm Google Has Its Own In-House Processor - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9r7PU )
BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402686 << it is vaporware lol. weren't they going to release something "right next week" for the past... i dunno, 6months ?
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:10:23; ggggg: $eth kills me ... stayed out thought it was vaporware
mircea_popescu: buterin is by now indistinguishable from that kate/craig imbecile of http://trilema.com/2013/the-stuple/ fame.
assbot: The stuple. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9rYjv )
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 06:21:00; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402656 << remember the game of life pow thread?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402730 << lol ferguson is not newsworthy anymore in the pravda, they moved the circus to flint now. this is so fucking soviet, they had a truck going around the country bringing "news"
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 10:57:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Embattled Ferguson Defies United States Department Of "Justice" - http://qntra.net/2016/02/embattled-ferguson-defies-united-states-department-of-justice/
BingoBoingo: Seriously
mircea_popescu: http://www.stupidhackathon.com/2016/poors-good.jpg << this is actually a perfectly valid point. if you're going to publicly associate with people via facebook, you're exposing yourself and your fambly to usg & friends rapine in various manners, such as the one described.
mircea_popescu: this is a fact.
mircea_popescu: for prophet lol. nb.
mircea_popescu: "The startups move to our private compound for 3 months, during which time we work intensively with them to get the company into the best possible shape and refine their pitch to potential new members." <<< i hope they apply the bivolaru tradition
mircea_popescu: "pls send noodies to evaluate your auras"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402754 << fucking nature. what happened to "as indicated by MP in January 2015, Moore's law..."
mircea_popescu: journalism by the bums for the bums ffs.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 13:55:43; PeterL: would this be an interesting bet for bitbet? No candidate for the 2016 republican presidential nomination will receive a majority of pledged delegates before the republican national convention?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402795 << what fucking fix ? "giving away free beer will result in the largest party on campus. it will also be a sausage fest that no one cool would even consider."
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 14:30:50; assbot: Ouch: SoundCloud losses show a broken business model in desperate need of a fix - Music Business Worldwide ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9pba7 )
mircea_popescu: exactly what the fuck is going to be "fixed" in this necessary situation ? time to face the music : a large number of people is NOT a business value. it is a business cost.
mircea_popescu: NOT having many users is as valuable as NOT having a fucktarded US-like VC on your board, or NOT having a fatass woman with a history of USG employment in "human services" roles in your staff.
mircea_popescu: keep all these three heads of doom away, it is plain impossible to not make money.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402807 << you know, it occurs to me that publishing mockful rebuttals of exactly this sort of thing IS in fact newsworthy.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 14:54:55; BingoBoingo: punkman: Turns out it is likely a not uncommon router chip that they all got excited over. Non story.
mircea_popescu: gadfly the fucktard ointment, by taking their stories and taking them apart, adding details they don't wish circulated, stuff like that.
mircea_popescu: perfectly legitimate and certainly useful behaviour - not least of all because automated systems as well as most people will select X out of a set of A=B=C=D, X = A+i.
mircea_popescu: and because they're all bound by the same ideology, it is trivial to produce the i they can never print ; whereas because they are all subject ot the same pressure, it is nigh on impossible for dA vs dB to be anywhere as large as i.
BingoBoingo: I might get something on that out later today.
mircea_popescu: yeah was jus' sayin' in general.
BingoBoingo: This one's waiting while I watch Oregon to see if this morning brings news
mircea_popescu: i would guess they'll hurry up to pack it up before ben_vulpes' nude amazon charge shows up
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assbot: The Project To Compile The Linux Kernel With LLVM Clang Is Still Alive - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6NUpD )
mircea_popescu: in ~principle~ the fact i can't compile the kernel with any random compiler i wrote myself is an argument that linux = windows, ftr.
asciilifeform: in the same way that me slipping on the pavement is = to being run over by a bus, yes.
mircea_popescu: it's deeper than that, imo. the point here is that bitcoin is not making any attempt to limit ownership of its tokens by say, usg agents.
asciilifeform: interestingly, somebody did build linux kernel with quinniec's 'tinycc', would be interesting to learn how.
mircea_popescu: original linux as a subversive device had the same property.
mircea_popescu: by the time it has to be defended cby this sort of principle backtracking... there's nothing there to defend.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is not too clear on the concept of bottles with no outside, is he
asciilifeform: where do i go from linux ?
asciilifeform: dirigible os? write it for me.
mircea_popescu: keep the old versions.
asciilifeform: and he laughs at my stockpile of old hardware, even
asciilifeform: old versions run on guess what.
mircea_popescu: i do not!
asciilifeform: then you see it.
mircea_popescu: !up ahmedbodi
mircea_popescu: of course i fucking see it.
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea thinkpad
assbot: 7 results for 'from:mircea thinkpad' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+thinkpad
asciilifeform: i was just buying thinkpads!
asciilifeform: so far ~failing~ to obtain a working x60-series
asciilifeform: on 2nd attempt now.
punkman: wrong screen?
asciilifeform: punkman: nah, they just tend to be in abysmal physical shape
asciilifeform: they literally fall apart
asciilifeform: it isn't 2008 any more
asciilifeform: and the chassis was not made of shitanium
mircea_popescu: the one i bought is solid as a rock and i have a pile of spare batteries for it too.
asciilifeform: they ~look~ solid aha
mircea_popescu: but anyway, yes, stockpiles.
asciilifeform: but go and buy now.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just yesterday it faceplanted from bed to the floor. no damage.
asciilifeform: i guess the example i have here fell 1,001 times.
asciilifeform: notably it still ~runs~.
asciilifeform: just won't latch, and the parts waltz when you pick it up.
asciilifeform: i will also point out that stockpiles only go so far.
asciilifeform: you can't trb-develop on the x60.
asciilifeform: in other mostly non-news,
asciilifeform: https://boingboing.net/2016/02/02/doxxing-sherlock-3.html << since nobody but me read the original pdf turd, here's the circus version
assbot: Exclusive: Snowden intelligence docs reveal UK spooks' malware checklist / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1WgjM5y )
asciilifeform: (lulziest hangout to date)
mircea_popescu: in other "things that don't work but faux japanese men drinking bottled beer like to pretend anyway", http://40.media.tumblr.com/28bf92be1f3e4bf544e5c504dbcf0602/tumblr_nwbq2sc4K91qlne6uo1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: srsly the old thinkpad's sata-1 does not cut it
mircea_popescu: i mostly use it to watch movies, and i have a strict "700mb format only" policy so... works ok for me!
asciilifeform: but i am still collecting x60s, and if mircea_popescu has extras i will buy !
asciilifeform imagines 'indiana jones' warehouse
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: didja ever say ~which~ thinkpads you liked
mircea_popescu: lol don't get carried away
mircea_popescu: and i didn't even look at multiple, just picked one. lemme see what it is.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88540 @ 0.00055986 = 49.57 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "type 2373"
mircea_popescu: made 2003
asciilifeform: holy shit my original
asciilifeform: door-smasher
mircea_popescu: it's pretty tough yes
assbot: ThinkPad T40 2373 Specs - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1o6SHHz )
asciilifeform: and yeah there is no question of running trb on this.
asciilifeform: even if you fit a flash disk
asciilifeform: prolly still has the 8G limit, too
mircea_popescu: but in terms of worx... it WORKS. i can do anything i do on it.
asciilifeform: about same specs as my 'libretto.'
mircea_popescu: which i suppose is a testament of how little i do.
asciilifeform: try build 'rotor' on it, for shits&gigglez, see how many days it takes.
asciilifeform: (will it even sit down on the max disk in that thing)
mircea_popescu: i would bet you it would take less than a day, but i don't want to delete all this porn etc.
asciilifeform reads 'game of life pow' in the logz, and pictures prisoners of war being sent to clear mine fields laid in g.o.l. patterns
mircea_popescu: random factor!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00055337 = 14.5536 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113016 @ 0.00055263 = 62.456 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora.
mircea_popescu: THIS IS LOGICAL
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402927 << 'double, double, toil and trouble' (tm) (r)
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 16:47:02; mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora.
asciilifeform: complain to ieee.
assbot: The Floating-Point Guide - What Every Programmer Should Know About Floating-Point Arithmetic ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPB6Ol )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 432100 @ 0.00054894 = 237.197 BTC [-] {9}
asciilifeform: unrelatedly,
assbot: ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPC5ya )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes dude but it's a fucking nightmare maintaining inherited 100k+ loc stacks.
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck, this used to work" all the fucking day long
mircea_popescu: "yes, but now you're exposing a hole you weren't before." idem
assbot: Online demo for ProVerif ... ( http://bit.ly/1PPCctq )
asciilifeform: ^ not recommended or otherwise, nfi how it works yet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think everybody here knows what 100kline shitstack feels like, on own skin
punkman: mircea_popescu: in further omfg who the fuck wrote cpp : double = double*float/float comes out as rounded to 0, we just discovered in the field running eulora. << works here
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40350 @ 0.00054706 = 22.0739 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up.
BingoBoingo had his turn being tricked by and article title "how to subdue a duck for easy transportation" was about catching ducks to move them, not convert them into a conveyance
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 17:40:11; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform thinking about it, i'd be much surprised if you can compile current linux on gcc, either
asciilifeform: with what does mircea_popescu ~think~ it is built ??
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1402950 << spiffy. i got no answer from blaze, thus far
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 17:42:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ritter answered, actually. maybe he even shows up.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform test this.
mircea_popescu: i think it is built out of duct tape and spit, and the process is not reproducible outside of sheer luck.
mircea_popescu: wasn't that busybox ?
asciilifeform: turn on normal userland.
asciilifeform: (in the menuconfig thingie, or by hand.)
mircea_popescu: pff. besides the fucking point. what i am saying is that a) you download source from current linux repo ; b) you built it on random gcc you have installed and c) lol.
asciilifeform: i built a 'rotolinux' that boots from cd, and i think trinque (?) did similar
mircea_popescu: anyway bbl
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so long as it isn't gcc5, it builds.
asciilifeform: go, try.
asciilifeform: i did this 1,001 times prolly.
asciilifeform: linux kernel is a fort that stands. for now.
asciilifeform: the battering ram swings, swings into the gate, every day, yes.
trinque: yep, I've got a gentoo-buildinator that works more than once
asciilifeform: ^ neato
deedbot-: [Qntra] As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It - http://qntra.net/2016/02/as-classiccoin-client-hits-release-miners-formally-reject-it/
BingoBoingo: ^ Gloatware
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: should there be a link in there somewhere ?
BingoBoingo: If you insist I'll dig up the least obnoxious one
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/TCo6o Inserted at "signed a letter"
assbot: A Call for Consensus — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVblOw )
BingoBoingo: There are no reports on ClassicCoin's move from beta that do not include deviations from reality which would allow linking
assbot: JL: Bring Us Your Curious, Your Young, Your Weak ... ( http://bit.ly/1O5dRua )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 181800 @ 0.00054678 = 99.4046 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Oregon standoff: 4 holdouts all in FBI custody as occupation ends (live updates) | OregonLive.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TVdDx6 )
asciilifeform: summed to 0, huh.
asciilifeform: just as i predicted.
asciilifeform: exactly like the other 'occupy'.
BingoBoingo: Depends on how the inevitable next one plays out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 270341 @ 0.00054667 = 147.7873 BTC [-] {6}
asciilifeform: next one will need to feature a new set of farmers
asciilifeform: the old one will not be seen again, i suspect.
mod6: finally figured out, I think, what the weird problem is with vdiff on ubuntu with that unmached quote.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23659 @ 0.0005426 = 12.8374 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mod6: is this the one with the defective awk ?
mod6: So gentoo uses 'gawk' by default, and ubuntu, uses 'mawk'. So if you install 'gawk' on ubuntu, then change the script so that it calls 'gawk' instead of 'awk', all is well.
mod6: asciilifeform: so yeah, basically.
asciilifeform: i could've sworn we had this thread
asciilifeform: !s mawk
assbot: 3 results for 'mawk' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=mawk
mod6: i think we did too.
mod6: anyway, no worries.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00054665 = 21.702 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83200 @ 0.00055944 = 46.5454 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81750 @ 0.00054648 = 44.6747 BTC [-] {4}
shinohai: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 374.0, vol: 6318.93996717 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 380.727, vol: 4460.2787 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 372.79, vol: 14220.36323502 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 382.0, vol: 1.35900749 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 389.8603, vol: 20114.24070000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 373.69, vol: 1177.9914599 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 374.022001133, vol: 99.90444738 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
BingoBoingo: ;;more shinohai
gribble: 381.144674541
shinohai: ;;more
gribble: 381.144674541
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron please to stop using twitter messaging feature.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56620 @ 0.00055945 = 31.6761 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51100 @ 0.0005426 = 27.7269 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 130900 @ 0.00054201 = 70.9491 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106116 @ 0.0005603 = 59.4568 BTC [+] {4}
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ben_vulpes: PURCHASE A UAZ-452 MINIVAN, THE INDISPENSABLE COMPANION OF YOUR LONG TRIPS TO THE NATURE.
shinohai: That's just begging for you to turn it into The Mystery Machine ben_vulpes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50250 @ 0.0005604 = 28.1601 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: classic sov 'microbus'
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, first-ever detection of gravity wave in real time is being claimed.
asciilifeform: i won't link to the newzcrud because atrocious
mod6: just read about that
BingoBoingo: From what I understand lasers and mirrors
shinohai: Probably just Gavin sitting down on his fat ass.
BingoBoingo: likely
mod6: Kip Thorne said, "It is by far the most powerful explosion humans have ever detected except for the big bang."
asciilifeform: we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life..
shinohai: Of course he is with cia paying the bills
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 142050 @ 0.00055268 = 78.5082 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: i have nfi what he does all day, but i would bet against any of it involving commute, office, or work
BingoBoingo: But he does it at cost of cyanide buttplug
asciilifeform: doubtful
mod6: to be ignored by the future minstrels
asciilifeform: mega-cost, l0l
asciilifeform: i mean yes, in the abstract, the fella deserves to start at nuremberg2 and flayed
asciilifeform: but i don't expect to live to see this.
asciilifeform: *star at
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i lolled.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> we laugh at gavin but he's prolly set for life.. << just as you predicted ?
asciilifeform: !s from:asciilifeform predict gavin
assbot: 0 results for 'from:asciilifeform predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aasciilifeform+predict+gavin
asciilifeform: !s from:ascii_field predict gavin
assbot: 0 results for 'from:ascii_field predict gavin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Aascii_field+predict+gavin
asciilifeform: what did i predict.
assbot: ATS-59 artillery tractor - Jeeps, Trucks & Motos - Mortarinvestments.eu - Mortar Investments ... ( http://bit.ly/1KevUmT )
mircea_popescu: apparently you predicted something or the other about the oregon folks. bout the same strength of prediction as your groundless if insistend belief gavin has it well. which, for the lulz, is exactly homologuous with your prior "prediction"/firm belief that leah goodman was floating in it, which did get debunked publicly but for that reason doesn't need further mention ; or for that matter something about jews
mircea_popescu: whatever family was it, rothschild ?
asciilifeform: ah them, l0l
mircea_popescu: you got this special drawer of a certain kind of kimchi.
asciilifeform: now why groundless.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, you know who else was "set for lyf" ? that objectionable "open source" shithead.
asciilifeform: yes, there is not enough usg kimchi for ~all~ quislings to live work-free in mega-house
asciilifeform: eric raymond ?
mircea_popescu: what's his name, raymond something.
asciilifeform: he was a chump, accepted payola denominated in toiletpaper
asciilifeform: ('stock')
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh )
asciilifeform: looks as if gavin was smarter, paid in sinecure and rent-free house ?
mircea_popescu: just like any teenaged slut in argentina that i stick my cock into for the time being ?
asciilifeform: similar!
asciilifeform: except most males never get half as good a deal in life
mircea_popescu: in infinitely more interesting news, the fundamental problem of slavery : http://40.media.tumblr.com/6c74441da85e1c5cfe00aedca0e54365/tumblr_np667iedoF1uu92gho1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: to explain : on one hand the slave is put in circumstances (be it clothing, or accoutrements, or whatnot) that make it the focus of attention, necessarily. you can't do most of those things permanently, as a thing. to understand why, imagine you'd make a silo full of puppies. how long before it is a silo full of rotting meat ?
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, on the other hand the theoretical structure of the relationship is exactly opposite to this reality.
mircea_popescu: and hence, there's a problem!
asciilifeform: eventually ~everything~ is a silo of meat.
asciilifeform: only question of timescale.
asciilifeform: thermodynamics takes mercy on no one.
mircea_popescu: sure, but that's a consideration on a different timescale.
asciilifeform: how's that
mircea_popescu: what do you mean how. yes all puppies eventually die, but that's not what we're talking about.
mircea_popescu: you have a maximal puppy density that allows the biomass in question to stay puppy-shaped
asciilifeform: hard to argue with this
asciilifeform: but how does it tie to the thread..?
asciilifeform: am i thick?
ben_vulpes would appreciate slightly less heavyweight metaphors too
mircea_popescu: well no, it's unrelated. hence the "infinitely more interesting news"
asciilifeform: and here i was breaking my brain.
mircea_popescu: anyway. maximal density is the killer. yes, obedient slave takes whipping. there's a maximal % of her time she can spend being whipped.
mircea_popescu: "In a rare bid for sanity, the Harford County School District had cancelled all field trips for students into Baltimore, as it is clearly an unsafe environment. The mulattress mayor [the same whore who let the city burn and then requested that 1,000 Somali refugees be settled in Baltimore] was outraged. Phone calls were made, and the school authorities waffled, and will now be sending their children into harm's way, wh
mircea_popescu: ere else, but in Harm City."
mircea_popescu: such hate speech.
asciilifeform: i can only assume that if this 'engine redline' is held for long enough, mircea_popescu will throw the chick back into the wild, or otherwise expel
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't believe in externalities. so, no.
mircea_popescu: or mebbe we're not talking about the same thing. hm.
mircea_popescu: the idea is! that the picture there linked is trying to mesh two unmeshable things. notice the dude is all like "business as usual, whatever". whereas in fact, it's nothing but!
asciilifeform: if she requires more whipping than is readily available
mircea_popescu: ah ah. but i was discussing recreational whipping not educational whipping.
asciilifeform: i can't even tell, what is she doing
asciilifeform: to what is the brush attached ?
asciilifeform: and why is the dude sitting there idly
mircea_popescu: what dop you mean, attached ? she's holding it
mircea_popescu: but the idea is see, he's hanging out, the mistress sleeping (as if any woman sleeps in garter belt and high heels) and the slave doing doing houseworkl
mircea_popescu: with a fucking wrecking ball attached.
asciilifeform: i immediately thought that this picture was not intended to represent 'typical day in the life' but rather is a boschian thing
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the cramped environment : yes, woman can be made to do either. but it wouldn't be fucking sleep or fucking work. it'd be THIS. and this is not life, this is THIS.
mircea_popescu: it is very mujch a boschian thing, specifically because of this tension.
asciilifeform: aha, that much was clear
mircea_popescu: it has the unmistakable immaturity of virginal youth, unaware that pegs are round, holes are square.
mircea_popescu: you know, people who never kept slavegirls could conceivably dream up this alt-reality where slave girls go like this.
mircea_popescu: i suppose if we must have an aesop, someone who wasn';t ever gavin might imagine things about how being gavin is.
mircea_popescu: but still ... the pegs and the holes.
asciilifeform: it did not even occur to me that anyone would think this.
mircea_popescu: i know plenty of people who think exactly this.
mircea_popescu: ~exactly~ this. and very much don't want to think otherwise, either.
asciilifeform: if i show a picture of, e.g., chess players, what , viewer will assume that they play from dawn to dusk until they drop, and while cleaning the house, eating, shitting ?
mircea_popescu: it is possible.
mircea_popescu: if shown a cheesecake picture, they DO in fact imagine that the woman looks like that from dawn to dusk, while shitting, etc.
asciilifeform: i don't even sadomasochate but i always assumed that it was a hobby like any other
mircea_popescu: what shitting! cheesecake chicks don't even fart.
asciilifeform: you do it for some time and then do other thing
mircea_popescu: not quite.
asciilifeform: well sure, there is a certain amount of 'like sledding? like pulling sled too!'
asciilifeform: gotta set up household for the pets, etc?
mircea_popescu: not what i meant. depends on what variant one entertains etc, but there is such a thing where the slave's the slave throughout the day, do what she may.
asciilifeform: aha but still this involves more housework than walking with weights, i'd imagine ?
mircea_popescu: yeah i dunno why you'd be walking with weighs, big calves aren't particularly in demand.
asciilifeform: but i think i see where mircea_popescu is going, this is the old 'thirsty man thinks he can drink the sea' theorem
mircea_popescu: well... i guess. more akin to "boy sees no use for veggies, they're getting in the way of cake"
asciilifeform: more of how the boy might have problems grasping why his parents do anything other than eating cake
mircea_popescu: that does it.
mircea_popescu: i suspect every youthful generation's conviction the previous people are dumb and generally suck has a lot to do with this.
asciilifeform: and it does not take a heroic amount of introspection to find oneself int his picture
asciilifeform: i, for instance, am fixated on free time and escape from workschwitz
asciilifeform: can't imagine what i might possibly want, if had that
mircea_popescu: that's not bad caker.
asciilifeform: imagine if all the cake you ever got to eat was, say, 20 grams max
asciilifeform: so you know what it tastes like and that's it.
asciilifeform had not done what most folks think of as 'vacation' since 2011
mircea_popescu: i never did that.
mircea_popescu: vacation fucking sucks.
jurov: when i was a kid i have imagined adults fulfill their desires in some secret magical way, so that they don't eat cake all the time
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu was never a slave, so probably can't even conceptualize it
mircea_popescu: no but seriously... spend some time doing SOMETHING OTHER than what you're doing ? dude, if i thought this is a good idea... i would just stop doing what i;m doing. that day. forever. wtf.
mircea_popescu: jurov not a bad working model for a preteen huh
asciilifeform: aha because mircea_popescu has a choice !
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the monty python "there are two kinds of people" sketch ?
asciilifeform: no but i can easily picture where this goes
asciilifeform: 'there are mircea_popescus and there are offal, off to the fermentation vats, offal'
mircea_popescu: they pretend to be wilde, shaw and i dun recall who.
assbot: Writers (Wilde, Shaw) - Monty Python's Flying Circus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlBPJ )
assbot: Monty Python: The Oscar Wilde Sketch ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlG5Z )
jurov: everyone has a choice. but choices have consequences, at least for mere mortals.
BingoBoingo: Sufficient butthurt to fissure the anus https://archive.is/PPOg5
assbot: As ClassicCoin Client Hits Release, Miners Formally Reject It : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmlL9C )
mircea_popescu: choices have consequences for everyone. the "mere mortals" care about consequences.
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu 'doesn't care' - at all - how come he doesn't, e.g., factor rsa using everett's device ?
asciilifeform: all of the 'stop caring' theory really resolves to it, as i understand
mircea_popescu: because wtf do i care about rsa ?
jurov: for example i'm recently considering to close coinbr, it would simplify my life considerably as it tends to desync from mpex at the worst possible times
asciilifeform: so only because mircea_popescu has no key he urgently needs to break ?
mircea_popescu: i am, and for years have been, destroying the usg through everett's device.
jurov: but -- gotta eat.
jurov: or should i say fuck it?
jurov: dont care?
assbot: Logged on 27-01-2016 16:26:09; mircea_popescu: no one can tell a man what his fucking life looks like!
asciilifeform: btw there is a version that turing discovered everett's device before everett
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00056041 = 10.9 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: and fired it.
jurov: but i can definitely tell myself that hacking trb and eulora client by deep immersion for days would be better life than this.
jurov: maybe someday when i learn to live off air.
asciilifeform: aha teach me also.
mircea_popescu: in other "life sucks" news, i've been trying to buy a red lacquered fine leather ball gag for the past fucking week. this country thinks itself a masterful leather manufacturer, NOBODY has it.
mircea_popescu: everybody has the same cheapo chinese 50cent crap they're trying to sell for 20 bux.
asciilifeform: l0l this is 3rd week now ?
asciilifeform: !s ball gag
assbot: 2 results for 'ball gag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ball+gag
mircea_popescu: 2nd i guess.
assbot: Logged on 01-02-2016 22:03:10; mircea_popescu: in other news : mp decides new heels and dress would go very well with a shiny-red lacquered leather ball gag. proceeds to inquire with a dozen or so sex shops in the farming town. they ALL have the same exact item.
asciilifeform: jurov: i spend most of every day churning out crud that nobody will ~even read~
asciilifeform: (most of the time, at any rate)
mircea_popescu: stop slandering the cosmococcic corporation alfie.
jurov: i'm not actually into who-has-it-worse contests
asciilifeform: it isn't a ~bad job~
asciilifeform: could be substantially worse.
asciilifeform: 'i thought i had a good job! but that was before i learned, how we'd make 'new and tasty' ! '
jurov: if i found out nobody cares about my work, could not resist throwing in something spiteful
mircea_popescu: most of civilisation is built on trusted work by various people. who do you think reads most doctors' reports ?
mircea_popescu: actuaries could sink any firm, and nobody'd notice until after they did it - seen this one play out time and again on ws ever since the gaus copula bs\
BingoBoingo: The lawyers?
mircea_popescu: and for that matter long before.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 1 in 1000 if that.
mircea_popescu: most software is never fucking read.
BingoBoingo: Depends where you are how many doctors notes get read by lawyers
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is still thinking like a normal person in some honest non-soviet economy
asciilifeform: where things such as doctors and accountants exist
mircea_popescu: i did say civilisation.
asciilifeform: i'd like to visit civilization.
mircea_popescu: for the record, the us is an example of nothing and a measuring stick for nothing,
mircea_popescu: ghana is more relevant to any discussion than the united states.
asciilifeform: iirc ghana, like many abject shitholes, is 100% usgtronic
mircea_popescu: ghana existed long before the british were invented.
asciilifeform: iroquois also existed
asciilifeform: but modern usa is not them.
asciilifeform: ditto ghana.
mircea_popescu: well technically... the arabs conquered them.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, one of the few and far between actual cultures in africa.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, the camel is not native to africa. was introduced, with an effect similar to the introduction of metalworking in europe)
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu is right, the sheer phantasmagoric disconnect from physical reality in usaschwitz has no analogue anywhere else in known spacetime
mircea_popescu: a dream, no matter how shared, is not a thing, nor could be a thing, and so does not matter to any actual thing.
asciilifeform: interestingly, camel was introduced to the americas in early 19th c
asciilifeform: and even took hold
asciilifeform: but for some reason nobody rides them
asciilifeform: (i am told that there are places where they can be.. hunted)
mircea_popescu: camel needs a lot of training to be ridden
asciilifeform: more than horse ?
mircea_popescu: think bronco busting, and then think camel is roughly 2x the size.
asciilifeform: ah this yes
mircea_popescu: much more than horse. for one thing, horse loves people.
mircea_popescu: camel, like mule, doesn';t really give a shit.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, the third person in the monty python sketch was whistler. "I shall be born when and where I want, and I do not choose to be born in Lowell." whistler.
mircea_popescu: and in further news of pseudopolicial boobality, http://36.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llvna1qKvT1qjngnjo1_1280.jpg
BingoBoingo: Last American president Jefferson Davis signed of on the import of camels when he was just a Senator
BingoBoingo: "It is virtually impossible to overload a camel. When, in a camel's considered opinion, the load strapped to it is excessive; it simply will not rise. Neither cursing nor beatings will budge an overloaded camel." << http://www.desertusa.com/animals/desert-camel-experiment.html
assbot: Desert Camel in America's southwest deserts - DesertUSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1XmqwzS )
gernika: Interesting. Looks like camels originally evolved in North America.
gernika: well, the americas
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BingoBoingo: Well, prehistoric camels had some role, but creation does not have a block chain so until all bones are dug and cataloged there is an element of mystery here
gernika: I suppose DNA is not a blockchain? Proof of sex?
BingoBoingo: Random noise gets introduced, DNA does error correction poorly
BingoBoingo: I'm just disappointed giant ground sloths did not make it to the present
BingoBoingo: At one point there were the avacado's only natural predator
gernika: Damn Paleo-Indians.
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BingoBoingo: ;;google naloxegol
gribble: Naloxegol for Opioid-Induced Constipation in Patients with ...: <http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1310246>; Naloxegol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naloxegol>; MOVANTIK™ (naloxegol) | Mu-Opioid Receptor Antagonist: <https://www.movantikhcp.com/>
BingoBoingo: ^ The truly weird drugs they market nowadays
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wait, are those NAVY seals ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, ritter sayz http://dpaste.com/0Y74S4S
assbot: dpaste: 0Y74S4S ... ( http://bit.ly/1QZ8dyc )
mircea_popescu: the fellow is quite intelligent - his point about nature not being deceptive is especially cogent.
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assbot: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJjsLO )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'otp failed' part is idiocy
asciilifeform: if someone plants a mine under your car, 'cars have failed' ?
shinohai: thanx r/buttcoin, never saw that before
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform depends what you trust cars to do.
mircea_popescu: yes, jeeps have failed the afghanistan campaign
asciilifeform: to not jump up 200 metres suddenly ?
asciilifeform: but this is still idiocy, because otp is the ~definitional~ strong cipher. it is provably ludicrous to ask for a cipher in any sense whatsoever stronger than otp.
asciilifeform: it is like asking for a quantity smaller than 0.
asciilifeform: or a rational root of 2.
asciilifeform: 'Natural law can be complex and confusing, but not deliberately deceptive, so it is not surprising that techniques refined for understanding nature do not well address the cryptographic contest.' << this point is originally due to j. randi
asciilifeform: where he discussed the utter inability of, e.g., physicists, to properly confront professional flimflam artists
asciilifeform: 'The Rosenbergs were traitors who damaged worldwide security and got what they deserved' << mega-l0l
asciilifeform: 'One example of the larger problem is that virtually all modern ciphering occurs on a general purpose computer. Our overall model of computation, upon which correctness in ciphering rests, does not include malware. ... [lengthy discussion of irrelevant crud assuming reader uses winbl0wz snipped]'
asciilifeform: 'If we accept the need for "hardware" encryption, we can talk about somehow originating a "pristine hardware system" to run it. But that also means maintaining a pristine (largely static) development system to build it.This, in a web environment designed to cause dynamic change and incidentally transport malware. That seems unlikely, but even if that worked, it means ending up with a cipher system which never allows algorith
asciilifeform: mic change, which only then becomes a secure basis for ciphering. We see none of that. None' << >> 'heavier than air flight requires an engine that is like our steam plant but weighs no more than 100kg. this cannot exist'
asciilifeform: 'But where has all this been exposed as "unfulfilled assumptions" by the academic examination of cryptography? Where is their "proof" now?' >> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1390&cpage=1#comment-8475 etc
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJkM1o )
asciilifeform: the man is intelligent, but the sheer magnitude of the 'learned helplessness' is astonishing even to me.
asciilifeform: normally it is at this point when a fella is expected to mutter something about making machines from discrete transistors or ttl
asciilifeform: and i kept waiting, waiting for that paragraph
asciilifeform: but it never came.
asciilifeform: i diagnose a severe, possibly life-threatening failure of the imagination...
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 20:10:22; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron please to stop using twitter messaging feature.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-02-2016#1403205 << I care! And I would be very sorry to see coinbr shut down.
assbot: Logged on 11-02-2016 23:07:05; jurov: if i found out nobody cares about my work, could not resist throwing in something spiteful
danielpbarron: would it help if there weren't any expectation of speedy order matching? I don't really care about sniping so much as setting long term orders and letting it sit for a while
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19258 @ 0.00056316 = 10.8453 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87442 @ 0.00056456 = 49.3663 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27180 @ 0.00056457 = 15.345 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110524 @ 0.00056189 = 62.1023 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: in unrelated, non-at-all-nyooz, but very spiffy: http://www.devic.us/hacks/anatomy-z80-gate
assbot: The Anatomy of a Z80 Gate - Baltazar's Hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/20Pbubx )
asciilifeform: ^ especially for mircea_popescu
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85447 @ 0.00055268 = 47.2248 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: shinohai what's that all about ?
shinohai: I'm not sure, more r/btc drama I haven't read through yet. I had to stop reading and help a buddy fix his broken core wallet.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> would it help if there weren't any expectation of speedy order matching? I don't really care about sniping so much as setting long term orders and letting it sit for a while << kinda the entite fucking point of a broker in the first place.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi idea who even entertains the nonsense of the "internet trader" mind, but it's beyond fucking ridiculous.
mircea_popescu: kids should just go snipe hunting like their grandfathers instead.
assbot: Withdraw BIP 101 proposal by gavinandresen · Pull Request #329 · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL6O1S )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 389466 @ 0.00056347 = 219.4524 BTC [+] {7}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403315 << WOAH this is one of maybe total 3 chix mircea_popescu linked that has a ~living face~
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 02:54:47; mircea_popescu: and in class cutting news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/8a6a52bee47d6be2fb5e4038ce79feb9/tumblr_nrqrymGFeu1uu92gho1_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: see, THIS is what i meant !
assbot: Logged on 24-01-2016 15:00:13; asciilifeform: perhaps she had the face of a human, rather than ruminant, nfi
asciilifeform: decisively opposite of 'fata de impins vagoane'
assbot: Logged on 12-02-2016 02:58:14; assbot: Withdraw BIP 101 proposal by gavinandresen · Pull Request #329 · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1SL6O1S )
asciilifeform: or nm, the 'classic' crud was something else, new, not 101 ?
asciilifeform has utterly lost track of the sequence of usgola
mircea_popescu: it's really not that interesting.
asciilifeform: aha, right?
asciilifeform: ftr tumblr_nrqrymGFeu1uu92gho1_1280.jpg is the single hottest chick i've ever seen in a bitmap.
asciilifeform takes off hat.
asciilifeform: no, yes.
mircea_popescu: lol! well so good for you.
mircea_popescu: !up micheieh
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46550 @ 0.00056276 = 26.1965 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: !up DicePower
DicePower: !register 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB. This may take a few moments.
assbot: No valid OpenPGP data found on pgp.mit.edu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 166300 @ 0.00056399 = 93.7915 BTC [+] {3}
DicePower: gpg -k --fingerprint
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144200 @ 0.00055374 = 79.8493 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: i guess they don't have it in there yet
DicePower: That was the fingerprint that Kleopatra gave me.
DicePower: I assume it's the same fingerprint post upload?
danielpbarron: yeah, the key server just sucks
mircea_popescu: !rate DicePower 1 Euloran
assbot: DicePower is not registered in WoT.
assbot: Search results for '0x9af0c08e3c97cf0ccdc2f6e3201e1d0c00edf5ab' ... ( http://bit.ly/1owcX5f )
mircea_popescu: not there
DicePower: I'll try to reupload
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58100 @ 0.00055275 = 32.1148 BTC [-] {4}
DicePower: Key block added to key server database. New public keys added: 1 key(s) added successfully.
DicePower: !register 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 9AF0C08E3C97CF0CCDC2F6E3201E1D0C00EDF5AB. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key 00EDF5AB / "First Last <eloracom@vfemail.net>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
DicePower: Yay!
mircea_popescu: theree you go
mircea_popescu: !rate DicePower 1 Euloran
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/0aa13d1a7b98679a
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.DicePower.1:ba3b461a70636ce72f4019cd5e1b9de703dd70ed27056960a0383a92351e4092
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for DicePower with note: Euloran
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