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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399618 << actually fella reminds me of the medieval folk who tried to build gliders and splat
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 03:00:17; mircea_popescu: phf internet produces necessarily a mixed bag. still, the guy correctly identified a workable airgap scheme on his own, should count for something.
asciilifeform: very depressing.
punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399568 << anybody cached this ? << click the bit.ly link from assbot and you'll find it
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 00:40:16; maqp: http://pastebin.com/H5LMVB6f
asciilifeform: ;;later tell maqp http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399589 << work us through an example of what a subverted diode ought to do. assume a builder with infinite money and hatred of all things good and bright.
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 00:51:02; maqp: you understand the size of required logic and NSA running best fab in the world? ;)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform some sillyness about how some derp prankcalled an unnamed silicon manufacturer, pretended to be a secret agency so secret not even the name is known, asked for a spec on an unspecified cpu packaging other than "it must be just like irl ones" and received a 100k firm bid on the phone as long as he provides "his ip"
mircea_popescu: it was something else.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/vhyZk << found it, ty punkman
assbot: One of the reasons I decided not to use optocouplers is a story I got from a fr - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sak7Z7 )
asciilifeform: incidentally, even supposing the great satan knew how to fit an entire battalion of snitches and three whole atomic bombs into an optocoupler, the fun part re: using standard analogue parts is that YOU CAN GET THEM FROM ANCIENT MACHINES
asciilifeform: including soviet etc.
mircea_popescu: i'd actually very much want to see this wunderwaffen where they put bluetooth in the optoitem.
asciilifeform: reasonably it wouldn't be bluetooth but one of the 'shitmonkey' or what was it called, from snowden-II document, simple short-range radio thing
asciilifeform: use one of the legs, or power supply, or whole bus, as antenna.
mircea_popescu: in parts the reddit-powered "infosec" "community" sounds a lot more like some sort of clinically relevant entomophobia in imminent danger of taking the leap into delusional parasitosis.
asciilifeform: dragos ruiu et al
mircea_popescu: aha remember him
asciilifeform: lulzily i was actually in the midst of prototyping a simple bios diddler when that came out
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6247 @ 0.00057382 = 3.5847 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23603 @ 0.0005745 = 13.5599 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: delusional parasitosis is built from two basic components - collective 'tooth-licking' (as naggum called it), where buncha folks happily 'folie a deux' together 2) palpable powerlessness, 'no microscope anywhere can possibly see the bugs', etc
asciilifeform: panic in the face of what is seen as infinitely powerful devil
mircea_popescu: the irony of the situation being that the soviets weren't nearly as impressed by the significantly more powerful soviet state.
asciilifeform: because it was palpably made of 'folks who smell of vodka just like me'
asciilifeform: or somethinglikethat
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be
asciilifeform: there was not the hard caste delineation.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'ma bbl!
asciilifeform also bbl.
assbot: Popular Cryptography Magazine Spring 2011: The Legend of Adacrypt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZbqJy )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00057462 = 4.8555 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.0005733 = 7.5389 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.0005733 = 4.0704 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 05:03:35; punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2016#1399568 << anybody cached this ? << click the bit.ly link from assbot and you'll find it
danielpbarron: i don't always archive links, but i had a feeling someone would be asking about that noe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27654 @ 0.0005733 = 15.854 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market djia
gribble: Error: This is not one of the supported markets. Please choose one of ['bcent', 'okc', 'btcn', 'coinbase', 'cbx', 'btce', 'bfx', 'btcavg', 'btcde', 'krk', 'bitmynt', 'btsp'] or 'all'
nubbins`: CRLF is the standard newline
deedbot-: [Qntra] Falling Aluminum Prices And Unforgiving Electricity Prices Force Noranda Aluminum Bankruptcy - http://qntra.net/2016/02/falling-aluminum-prices-and-unforgiving-electricity-prices-force-noranda-aluminum-bankruptcy/
BingoBoingo: ^ Qntra metals desk returns!
nubbins`: finally
nubbins`: no coincidence that it reappears after yrs trooly
BingoBoingo: It's a wild nubbins`
mircea_popescu: !up liquidassets
nubbins`: i need a 3.5mm TRRS to 3x RCA cable
BingoBoingo: !UP ascii_butugychag
shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 Node caught back up I think my issue is the crap box I am running it on. Going to start shopping for better node hardware I guess.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_butugychag: wb nubbins` !
ascii_butugychag: how was the submarine ?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Your node locked up too?
nubbins`: ty! the air was stale, not to my liking. had to resurface
shinohai: Yup BingoBoingo I keep getting connection boots, had trouble all weekend keeping it online.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Ah mine just froze about 10-11 hours ago, finally eating blocks again
shinohai: I started another node on Friday on my friends server, it is still catching up. But I think it showed me I need to upgrade some equipments.
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu do you know of any working implementations of cramer-shoup other than the emacslisp one i linked last week ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so where've you been
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i do not.
ascii_butugychag: mega-unsurprise, they don't appear to exist
shinohai: I guess it isn't much in the face of Bitcoin Classic's 100's of nodes "coming soon" but trying to do my part.
shinohai: *1000's
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag hey, it's a mature field.
mircea_popescu: sadly all everyone planted were turds, but the field's manure alright
mircea_popescu: oops, i mean mature.
ascii_butugychag: i suppose this then is one of those 'salvation of the drowning..' situations.
mircea_popescu: like oh... everything else to fucking date.
mircea_popescu: one day im going to meet these people in heaven, or else organise a special safari to hell, and give them a piece of my mind.
ascii_butugychag: where did the diode fella who came in from the cold come from ?
thestringpuller: remember though. bitcoin classic is still in beta. and it's chinese new year. and other things.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu same place just w/ less computer usage
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag punkman's wide net of stuff / danielpbarron invitede him
ascii_butugychag: i always found interesting the kind of lice and worms these folks usually walk in with
assbot: Editions d'Assailly ... ( http://bit.ly/20Rd1u5 )
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag self-directed education always looks like this.
nubbins`: made a buncha books. been brewing a lotta beer
thestringpuller: ascii_butugychag you sound like the health food store people. "drink this dewormer before you enter"
mircea_popescu: good for you eh.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 23:53:20; asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
mircea_popescu: the recent debias-otp-plaintext thing being a splendid if amusing example in this exact line.
ascii_butugychag: i was surprised how nobody reacted to that mega-l0ltr0n
mircea_popescu: (meanwhile i asked for the why and wherefore of the "debiasing" of the plaintext. "no you idiot, it's so you burn less otp. what the fuck's wrong with you!")
ascii_butugychag: ^ aha! dingdingding correct
mod6: shinohai: ok thanks for the update. let us know how it goes.
ascii_butugychag: running out of otp is rather like running out of ammo,
ascii_butugychag: but with the difference that one might, given a miracle, find more ammo
ascii_butugychag: whereas your otp in the field is the one you have.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag see, bering the commander of a glorious, victorious army unit does not protect one from dying in a drunken bar brawl.
mircea_popescu: local maxima can get you every time.
nubbins`: re: ex-ss agent shaun bridges: hyper-lel
mircea_popescu: nubbins` think about it for a second : that man had no friends.
ascii_butugychag: and in defense of mircea_popescu , the arithmetical boojum involved was a subtle one, sorta like montyhall
mircea_popescu: a fifteen year old in what alf calls "orc" lands has at leastr a coupla of friends.
mircea_popescu: that man, that redditards are supposed to be affraid of, had none.
mircea_popescu: what life is this ? what power, what glory.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu my heart empathetically raced as i imagined the empty pit of despair engulfing him at the moment of re-arrest
nubbins`: the korean term for this is literally translated as "smelling sesame oil"
mircea_popescu: like the idiot thief, sorry he got caught, not sorry he's the sort of dumbass that feeds himself in the least effectual way, yes.
mircea_popescu: a bettrer man would have despaired when realising that he has no soul to rely on.
nubbins`: a better man'd be worm food decades ago
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
nubbins`: what a lel. i wonder what /else/ they nabbed him with.
ascii_butugychag: likely, the keyz
ascii_butugychag: which was the whole point.
ascii_butugychag: (of 'letting him go')
mircea_popescu: so far the usg is like 3-0 for "kidnapped, murdered and extorted keys"
nubbins`: they pointedly stated that the released list of bounty was abridged
mircea_popescu: ofcourse, they're mostly doing their own people, but anyway.
ascii_butugychag: 'the spice must flow', the waterfall gotta get refilled
nubbins` imagines future heavily-fractured internet reminiscent of times of old, "warez & keyz" web rings &c
ascii_butugychag: nubbins`: nobody ever cancelled it
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag incidentally, this is the most shocking part of the maqp kid. he is utterly alone, for this reason entirely hopeless, and his solution is "hey, better aloneliness potion would help!"
mircea_popescu: no you fucking idiot, it won't. "anonimity" is what got you in the pickle in thefirst place, you don't want more of it. you want fucking less.
nubbins`: ascii_butugychag in this fantasy, the s:n ratio is back where it was
mircea_popescu: my article specifically says "it will make kids lose their mind", and kid with lost mind reads it and it helps naught.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: possibly kid imagines that the company of others leads directly to 'militia', and usg stoolies, and straight into jail
mircea_popescu: if this is so, THIS has to be fixed.
ascii_butugychag: which, for the typical usaschwitz 'dissident' - may well be ~true~
mircea_popescu: irrespective!
mircea_popescu: his present reasoning is "eating hurts, so i'll stop eating".
mircea_popescu: bitch, you stop eating you die. now swallow.
ascii_butugychag: and his answer may well be 'i'll die of starvation instead of eating fallout, fuckyou'
mircea_popescu: fallout won't kill you.
ascii_butugychag: godel famously starved because, in his words, he was convinced that he was being poisoned.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary ; a) make farts visible in the night ; b) maybe you acquire flight.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag and godel famously wasn't quite together.
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is where alf's celebrated "engineering is separation" comes in.
mircea_popescu: fix the food, but eat it.
mircea_popescu: trust, but verify.
mircea_popescu: all that jazz.
assbot: Using their weight against them (old shitlording I forgot) | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbnKhz )
BingoBoingo: ^ Related
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21310 @ 0.00057266 = 12.2034 BTC [-]
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it is almost possible to catalogue the cockroaches typically infesting n00b heads - for instance, having a set of 'too big to contemplate' steps, such as junking 'nacl' et al and writing own libs
ascii_butugychag: 'but mustn't do that, schneier told us never to write own crypto'
mircea_popescu: well, the advice is in general correct.
mircea_popescu: writing own crypto [especially if done by the typically ustardian aloneman, a la shaun bridges etc] is bound to crash in the local maxima problem discussed a minute ago.
ascii_butugychag: in the same way as 'don't cut open a man's abdomen if you want him to live' is ~generally~ correct
mircea_popescu: quite so.
mircea_popescu: and if we know for a fact you're alone, the advice is entirely correct.
ascii_butugychag: and i think mircea_popescu had an article specially about this
ascii_butugychag: the one with the caesar ciphers
assbot: The danger of homebrew crypto on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20Rfk0r )
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: and the timecube linked earlier, was an even better illustration
ascii_butugychag: (it was a compendium of writings of a sci.crypt usenet crackpot)
nubbins`: the danger of homebrew beer: too yummy
mircea_popescu: nubbins` more like too much tummy.
mircea_popescu votes nubbins` "most likely to exceed".
nubbins`: all things in moderation! i'm down 5kg since the holidays!
nubbins`: thats not to say you can't binge drink, you just do it in moderation
mircea_popescu: im stuck with a bunch of women that all cook well and like to do it. and so i've recently discovered that eating less actually makes me feel better!
mircea_popescu: it was a sad realisation.
nubbins`: yeah no kidding
nubbins`: you can give up booze, smoking, drugs, etc
nubbins`: but you can't stop eating
mircea_popescu: it's not fucking fair. god damned shitlords ruining the world for everyone.
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah
mircea_popescu: i'm looking at you BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: You can't fight biology
mircea_popescu: harem is a fucking unbalanced construction. i should have a small army around it so they could eat my pies and i could look on and be happy in my old age.
nubbins`: take on a youth group or smth
nubbins`: give back to the local community 8)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` my problem is that i really can't stand idiots.
nubbins` cackles
BingoBoingo: #b-a goes through its mostly epicurean stage. nubbins` drinks less, mircea_popescu eats less, BingoBoingo realizes he only binge drinks has to stop entirely
mircea_popescu: otherwise - i would.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo get on the reefers dude
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Then I'd fac the Shrem's bong dilemma.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, prolly best to learn to cope with actual sobriety first
nubbins`: write more, they say it helps
BingoBoingo: been working on that.
BingoBoingo: pretty sure December I set a personal record for words. Then January set a personal record for headlines.
BingoBoingo: I think, actually checking would take time away from newsmining
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2016 16:14:35; mircea_popescu: nubbins` my problem is that i really can't stand idiots.
ascii_butugychag: use smart folks
ascii_butugychag: add moar gurlz, or something
mircea_popescu: !ip jimmy16
nubbins`: "free piez 4 smrt people" leaflets
nubbins`: i like it
thestringpuller: ;;later tell ben_vulpes Box is stood up. Hope you enjoyed superbowl.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: in argentina ? i'd end up buried under a 10mn pile of flaming idiots who think they're smart and http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116472
assbot: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sbq4oM )
mircea_popescu: "do i have any proof for my <<<claim>>> they're idiots ???"
assbot: Jingle mail rears its ugly head in Alberta again - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1SbqXOj )
mircea_popescu: whassat ?
assbot: B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20Rib9r )
nubbins`: mircea_popescu alberta has a peculiarity of law where one can walk away from one's mortgage, mail the keys to the bank, & not have any further liability
nubbins`: and now the gov is QQing because a bunch of people are doing it
mircea_popescu: i would call any OTHER law peculiar.
nubbins`: well say in the meantime you razed the house and added a viper-and-mercury pit
nubbins`: lender's out $x
ascii_butugychag: nubbins`: oh noez, fleeing serfs !
ascii_butugychag: somebody nail their feet to the ground !
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lender shouldn't have pissed you off then.
nubbins`: ascii_butugychag i was surprised to learn (a) that this exists only in alberta and (b) that it was once so common that they came up with a catchy name for it
mircea_popescu: credit is credit ; it works like credit. what makes banks special ?
ascii_butugychag: the tone of that article is vomit-inducing
nubbins`: the canadian housing market is very strange
nubbins`: !up ascii_butugychag
nubbins`: it'll be interesting watching canada regress to a hunter-gatherher society over these next few decades
nubbins`: maybe some small-scale subsistence windowsill farming in between to help bridge the gap
mircea_popescu: it would be fucking great. there's absolutely no reason for canada to pretend it's a sort of europe anymore than there's reason for argentina to.
mircea_popescu: fucking frozen wastes/soy fields ultra crepidam already.
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 397409
thestringpuller: agrentina has rainforests tho. which is cool.
thestringpuller: canada has like...tundra
BingoBoingo: One for ascii_butugychag, US police treated as military problem in da club https://archive.is/zJdvN guess who won?
assbot: LeSean McCoy, Curtis Brinkley in altercation with off-duty police | Comcast SportsNet Philadelphia ... ( http://bit.ly/1nYj9TF )
nubbins`: and rainforests
nubbins`: been playing with synthesizers a lot lately
nubbins`: recently watched "i dream of wires" and was sorely disappointed by it
BingoBoingo: In other news Rush Limbaugh just saved Rubio's Saturday debate performance with the other candidates were wrong for insisting Bahamas is jsut stupid and not instead abjectly evil.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: sport snore
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: But one of them cracked a law enforcement skull
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00057252 = 7.1279 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: Just offering for the record that on equal terms US police lose to demographics with more sophisticated doping methods
ascii_butugychag: but the very definition of police is the unequal terms.
BingoBoingo: Right, but this time they were on the wrong side of unequal
ascii_butugychag: ianal, but afaik most usa subjurisdictions multiply penalty manyfold for damaging a whole policeman
ascii_butugychag: (vs same done to somebody else)
ascii_butugychag: this too is part of the 'unequal terms' thing
BingoBoingo: Notable in this case is police are struggling to get arrest warrants for the sportsball players
BingoBoingo: Many ways in this case that the police for the moment are on the wrong side of unequal
thestringpuller: thought it was common "street honor" not to kill five-oh. cop has to do something really fucked up for actual criminal (the one's capable of organizing) to do "whole harm" to one, unless society has finally devolved into all out barbarism here
BingoBoingo: Cop had Champagne and Sportsball player had none in that moment. Apparently that was fucked up enough.
ascii_butugychag: in other equally-interesting news, somebody somewhere prolly got mauled by a rabid dog today.
PeterL: actually, it was a leopard
PeterL: (and it was 3 people)
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: I far more interesting news some dude in India was smote by a meteor
assbot: One dies as ‘meteorite’ falls in Vellore - The Hindu ... ( http://bit.ly/1mnRKsC )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
mats: wut
mats: why would you do anything less than kill cop and annihilate the remains, when it comes to harm?
ascii_butugychag: because idiot bull ?
mats: give the fella a chance to tell his buddies, have you beaten by plainclothesman in holding cell?
ascii_butugychag: again, what do you expect from a walking hindbrain ?
mircea_popescu: oddly enough, criminals have enough sense to murder rape victim ; do not have enough sense to murder police dude after altercation.
mircea_popescu: women have it pretty rough huh.
mats: m-muh mens rights
mircea_popescu: extra lulz points if the "rationale" is something along the lines of "hey, we'll kiss and make up".
mircea_popescu: your odds to manage that with woman you just fucked without asking about 1000x your odds to manage that with policeman that lost some teeth.
ascii_butugychag: su police, at least formally, were forbidden to appear anywhere in public except as 2+ man group.
ascii_butugychag: for this reason.
mats: ascii_butugychag: who is the 'idiot bull', 'walking hindbrain'?
ascii_butugychag: the ball player
mats: ok
ascii_butugychag: (and likely also the policeman, but that is outside the scope)
ascii_butugychag: i really do not grasp why BingoBoingo enthusiastically follows the doings of walking hindbrains, but that's his business
ascii_butugychag: personally i find the daily life, birth and death of that meteorite linked earlier, more interesting
ascii_butugychag: it is a chunk of stone, but at least it is ~rare~
ascii_butugychag: idiot stotting bulls are a dime a dozen.
ascii_butugychag: and all sum to 0.
ascii_butugychag: (apparently they almost invariably even piss away 100% of the serious money that is paid to them)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00057002 = 9.6903 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: it's fun to watch them smash into each other over ball
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag> idiot stotting bulls are a dime a dozen. << they're a dime a dozen exactly like how microscope is a dime a dozen in post-usg us.
mircea_popescu: "hey, i can get rocks over here too"
thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> su police, at least formally, were forbidden to appear anywhere in public except as 2+ man group. << This is part of what interests me in this case. 4 police officers met 4 hindbrains in mutual combat and lost resoundingly. If not for the equal numbers would be far less interesting.
BingoBoingo: Other more boring stories about this species of hindbrain beating police in confrontations this year are piling up, but this is starting to look like a trend.
BingoBoingo: The proper approach to sportsball hindbrains is considering them as a sort of Nevada test site, but for optimizing performance of doorkickers. The trend of these hindbrains whooping the police suggests that the "Black Lives Matter" business is internalizing with the ordinance and the Trinity bomb is going feral.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_butugychag
BingoBoingo: But yeah, seems to support the Gendarmie hypothesis
mod6: ascii_butugychag: hi, does this work ok for some reasonable output information for the origin command? http://dpaste.com/2N4BNVW.txt
mod6: I've basically just added the corresponding source file in the data there.
ascii_butugychag: mod6: looks just like what i had, aha
ascii_butugychag: mod6 et al: is it now clear why i had this knob ?
ascii_butugychag: (did i even have the filename in there? no matter, this is what we want)
BingoBoingo: In other news FSF certified the Talos Power8 workstation board. Looks like Stallman has a new computer.
mod6: and just to verify, we *do* want to be looking at the post-patch hash value correct? the 'b' as opposed to the 'a'.
mod6: this will give us when the hash was introduced, not the last time it was changed.
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: gotta love the unobtainium
ascii_butugychag: recall his loongson ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35474 @ 0.00057716 = 20.4742 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Yeah, and web browsing by wget to his email inbox
BingoBoingo: Or something like that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5226 @ 0.0005799 = 3.0306 BTC [+]
mod6 is just pondering weather the converse is useful. finding the last time the file was changed from <given> hash
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: i specifically mean his 'follow my example, use this here iron!!111' 'but no there is no place for you to get it, hahahaha'
ascii_butugychag: at least i finally hunted down a 'thinkpad x60'
ascii_butugychag: (for lulz)
assbot: For $3100 USD You Can Have A Fast, Fully-Free-Software Workstation - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/20FQjsq )
BingoBoingo: LinuxBIOS?
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: theoretically
ascii_butugychag: (the crate has not come in yet)
mod6: so, by finding the origin of a given hash, such as 'false', this yields us the files that have since been removed from origin: http://dpaste.com/25JSTRY.txt
mod6: s/from origin/since genesis/
mod6: make sense?
ascii_butugychag: i can see how this might come in handy
mod6: ok, i'll leave origin in for this second beta patch.
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: also gotta love how a single-source, 'monoculture' box built by ibm, as far from wot as can possibly be imagined, is now somehow an appealing thing for 'phree' enthusiasts
BingoBoingo: Seriously
ascii_butugychag: also the nsa fund for this must've been quite pitiful, one would at least suppose they could have it secretly subsidized so it prices to sell !
ascii_butugychag: but no, 3+k
ascii_butugychag: this being said, if the thing consisted 100% of ~documented~ fpga fabric, i would buy it
ascii_butugychag: but notice how this is not so.
ascii_butugychag: !s specificity principle
assbot: 0 results for 'specificity principle' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+principle
ascii_butugychag: !s specificity diddling
assbot: 12 results for 'specificity diddling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=specificity+diddling
ascii_butugychag: here we go.
BingoBoingo: Desire for FPGA instead gets you $6 PASCAL machine
BingoBoingo: But 3k price tag likely seems to target gullible potentially disloyal lizards. The Clintons and Sean Bridges.
ascii_butugychag: i don't object to the price, this is quite cheap for a proper computer
ascii_butugychag: just that it is unlikely to end up on the desks of the poor 'lone types' mircea_popescu discussed earlier
ascii_butugychag: and therefore is weak honeypot sauce.
ascii_butugychag: but i would readily pay 10k for a box with ONLY open fpga
BingoBoingo: Poor 'lone types' get their own honeypots. This is for rich and mortgaged 'lone types'
ascii_butugychag: (nothing else. no nic, bring own dc power to rail)
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 371.5, vol: 5619.07262334 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 377.5, vol: 3644.0701 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 371.49, vol: 14939.00807539 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 365.0, vol: 0.07478758 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 384.580345, vol: 13589.39610000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 371.6601, vol: 390.88254018 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 376.5216, vol: 116.37527974 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 376.725100753
ascii_butugychag: also no prizes for this guess, but 100% of the 'power8' will be running poetteringola and drepperism
BingoBoingo: Easily
ascii_butugychag: anyone recall mircea_popescu's fable about the trucks ?
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 21:23:54; mircea_popescu: then the outline showed up. "the change will be introduced in phases. for the first five years, only trucks and vehicles over 5 tons will switch to driving on right"
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
PeterL: !up Peter00
mircea_popescu: mod6 im not even sure we can depend on a notion of "time" for v purposes.
ascii_butugychag: v supports one time - 'now'
mircea_popescu: sorta like horny teenagers
ascii_butugychag: but with possible local variations. sorta like relativistic mechanics.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 im not even sure we can depend on a notion of "time" for v purposes. << oh yeah 'the last time' is probably a bad choice of words, "the last alteration" or some such.
mircea_popescu: basically count nodes
mod6: anyway, doesn't matter for now anyway.
mod6: im just gonna leave what i've got in there. will replicate what alf's does.
ascii_butugychag: i will half-seriously suggest that we refer to the ~set of patches, seals, keys~ that a particular vtron is aware of at his particular point in spacetime, as... his lightcone
mircea_popescu: why not just the set.
ascii_butugychag: i suppose i should restate
ascii_butugychag: your 'set' is specifically what you have in a particular v shot, usually this includes your conscious choices for that run
mircea_popescu: that's the press
ascii_butugychag: your lightcone is all of the possible parts you have access to, and know of, at all, that you might build a set with
ascii_butugychag: your press is what you get from pressing a set.
mircea_popescu: well, what you get and what you start it. "what you press" -> press -> "what you pressed". ie, the press.
ascii_butugychag: you press - a set.
ascii_butugychag: anyway i can only suggest, if mod6 wants to call his 'bzortl' this is his to make
ascii_butugychag: light cones will be relevant once we get autonomous bots scouring the universe for v set components...
ascii_butugychag: but even now, folks who get their sets from mod6's mirror, and folks who get theirs from the ml, are on divergent lightcones
ascii_butugychag: and imho this is not an entirely inconsequential thing, and ought to be remembered.
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_butugychag
ascii_butugychag: ;;later tell mircea_popescu https://github.com/JHUISI/charm/tree/dev/charm/schemes << crypto algo zoo
assbot: charm/charm/schemes at dev · JHUISI/charm · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1QRc0h3 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_butugychag: ^ for educational reading, in case this is not obvious, rather than for battlefield
assbot: 67.236.44.54:8333 - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1T0SnFl )
ascii_butugychag: congrats shinohai
ascii_butugychag: but i must point out that a trb node that isn't synced should not be added to connection lists
ascii_butugychag: as it will refuse to relay most tx.
shinohai: Almost @ 70% Just staryed that one a few days ago.
shinohai: *started
ascii_butugychag: this is, iirc, ~20% bytewise
shinohai: t!up ascii_butugychag
shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag
trinque: shinohai: got an SSD?
shinohai: Not yet trinque :(
shinohai: Probably in the upgrade plans for this year though.
trinque: may be extremly slow going from about 350k onward
shinohai: My home node was agonizingly slow fro 300k onward.
trinque: yeah
PeterL: has anybody had ideas for how to make syncing go faster?
thestringpuller: PeterL: SSD
mircea_popescu: in general, the checking of blocks should be properly paralelized. this is a complex task, and will take a while.
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: sign a copy of the blockchain, then push it to new box...
mircea_popescu: in practice results can be achieved with more hardware.
mircea_popescu: the power rangers have esentially gone down the path of "well... let's just not do checking", which is exactly in line with us fashions.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: actually it would be quite trivial to parallelize, i just haven't the hands presently
PeterL: has anybody here published signed blockchains?
ascii_butugychag: and i measured what takes up most of a sync time - it isn't verification
ascii_butugychag: but i/o derpery
thestringpuller: PeterL: mircea_popescu used to
thestringpuller: on mpex proxy somewhere
ascii_butugychag: and transmission of blocks which can't possibly be absorbed at time t
thestringpuller: forgot where that link went tho
ascii_butugychag: the stock sync mechanism is batshit insane
PeterL: yeah, it seems like there should be a way to tell it to cache some blocks to check later?
ascii_butugychag: i killed this with my own hands
shinohai: I keep backup copy of blockchain on pogo now, I have it syncing from real node every 12 hours.
ascii_butugychag: because it is fucktarded.
PeterL: but I guess that would open up a ddos attack vector?
ascii_butugychag: DID open up.
ascii_butugychag: !s orphanage
assbot: 130 results for 'orphanage' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=orphanage
PeterL: but could you connect to a trusted node to get past that?
phf: i recall that was first major trb patch
ascii_butugychag: we have no such thing as 'connect to trusted node'
thestringpuller: orphanage thermonuke test 2
ascii_butugychag: because we haven't any crypto
ascii_butugychag: and nodes haven't any actual hard identity as consequence
ascii_butugychag: i thought we've been through this 1,001 times.
thestringpuller: but openssl
phf: but the thinking at the time was that trb peers shouldn't be cascade sending you bogus chains, when you don't ask for them, and that optimization should start with improvements to block request/response mechanism
mircea_popescu: <ascii_butugychag> the stock sync mechanism is batshit insane << this yes. but even if all that were fixed, verification will still take time.
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ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: it takes ~10-20s on a reasonable box, for a full block
mircea_popescu: 400k blocks = 2k hours, 100 days.
ascii_butugychag: if they were full.
mircea_popescu: i was discussing the problem in its general form!
phf: it seems like a cool profiling target, how long it takes to eatblock entire chain across different ssds on some test hardware
ascii_butugychag: but i can't argue that the serial processing is asinine
ascii_butugychag: it certainly ~is~
mircea_popescu: phf it's so fucking random you'd have to do 1000s of assays
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: eatblock is deterministic
ascii_butugychag: and can be used even on a nic-less box
mircea_popescu: oh sorry he meant eatblock-the-term-of-art
phf: trb eatblock
ascii_butugychag: btw this means, in case nobody noticed in the summer,
mircea_popescu: i missed that part :p
ascii_butugychag: that you can theoretically maintain an airgapped trb node...
mircea_popescu: well yes.
mircea_popescu: wasn't that the point, mostly ?
ascii_butugychag: the point was actually to hunt for leakz
ascii_butugychag: but there are several 'off label' uses, aha.
shinohai: ^ how I imagine mircea_popescu would mine for BTC
ascii_butugychag: (picture a trb box eating blocks via diode, and shitting tx out another diode, when the knife switch is on, strictly)
shinohai: !up ascii_butugychag
assbot: citations - Refusing to cite paywalled papers - Academia Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q41u2Q )
ascii_butugychag: ' your ideological battles should not be waged on the backs of readers and authors who dedicate their lives to producing and disseminating good science. But if you want to commit career suicide, no one will stop you.'
mircea_popescu: show me some of this good science an english speaker produced on the basis of anglopsychosis.
mircea_popescu: aka "academia"
mircea_popescu: seems the concept is more likely a derivation of "good law", ie, conventionally not-discarded yet, than actual science in any sense
ascii_butugychag: every other year i do end up dragging my arse to uni library solely to excavate forth a paper
ascii_butugychag: virtually always, they are older than i am
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thestringpuller: !up ascii_butugychag
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mircea_popescu: http://www.nhplace.com/kent/Papers/cl-untold-story.html << man this kent dude is the most tiresome stickler... i've never seen such a retarded if endless introduction.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so much the result of pitman but of the subject
mircea_popescu: i dunno...
asciilifeform: the process whereby we got the cl standard is every bit as ugly as the standard itself
mircea_popescu: ah in that sense
mircea_popescu: "Someone once claimed to me that the problems with standards work is that the process is so exhausting that no one who ever finishes the task wants to try another, so everyone involved is always brand new and no knowledge ever propagates from cycle to cycle. This isn’t literally true, but there is still some truth to it." << and THE REASON FOR THIS is that, quote from same source, "This is a story about personal hist
mircea_popescu: ory and growth. It might on occasion appear to portray certain individuals—primarily myself, but perhaps others—in an unflattering light. Part of the point of this paper is that we have each grown through our respective experiences. There is no intent to disparage anyone."
mircea_popescu: with that inept attitude, it'll only get worse./
asciilifeform: the sheer and obvious futility of the standardization process, as it existed then and there, selected against the smart, the intellectually honest, and in general anybody 'with theorems to prove'
mircea_popescu: paint rocks!
asciilifeform: naggum understood this, i think, when it was too late
asciilifeform: this is more like 'paint snow'
asciilifeform: reading the block cipher thread, on shitdot, and, mega-unsurprise - not one interesting thing said.
mircea_popescu: but many comments! visits! uniques! Social media! progress! apple could buy russia!
asciilifeform: many many eyes! (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu feels like hammering in the point, he could even offer a prize for breaking aes
mircea_popescu: lol it's ok.
asciilifeform: it is a mega-conundrum, in my mind, i know for a fact that there live at least half a dozen people who could, potentially, supply intelligent commentary. but none of them i expect to appear here.
mircea_popescu: and why is that ?
asciilifeform: same reason, i expect, as taleb
asciilifeform: but somebody ought write to bernstein.
mircea_popescu: tell you what - the problem is not unlike "getting mp to look at bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: multiple people worked on this for months.
mircea_popescu: and i still principally credit chance.
asciilifeform: logical.
mircea_popescu: in the form of sane people and an impressive channel to join into.
mircea_popescu: now, the CHANCE part we got well covered.
mircea_popescu: the rest... what can i say. takes time.
mircea_popescu: "ne day while working with the MACSYMA group, I was around when someone was assigning offices—or desks, really, since offices were generally shared. “Where is mine?” I asked, somewhat jokingly. As far as I knew, only graduate students were entitled to offices. The person doing the arranging didn’t realize I was joking and responded in seriousness that he didn’t know and would try to find one for me. Of course
mircea_popescu: , I immediately went to the several other undergraduates working on the same project and said, “they don’t know we’re not supposed to have offices.” But soon we all did have offices, or at least desks in offices with dedicated VT52 terminals atop them. My office was shared with Guy Steele, co-inventor of the SCHEME programming language, and JonL White, author and maintainer of the MACLISP compiler.
mircea_popescu: I spent nearly all of my hours at the Lab, often to the detriment of my class work, which is why I took 5 years to graduate. During my time there, I worked mostly for credit, only very occasionally for tiny amounts of money—about $5 per hour for a small number of hours a week programming MACSYMA, as I recall. Most of my time was as a volunteer, and in that time I did some additional work on MACSYMA but also some pers
mircea_popescu: onal projects.
mircea_popescu: During all of this, I picked up a lot of trivia about the MACLISP language, which was not very well-documented. David Moon had written a manual a few years earlier, but it was out of date and featured primarily the Honeywell Multics implementation of MACLISP, not the PDP10 implementation. Also, as it happened, Don Knuth had just come out with TEX typesetting language and I was looking for possible uses for it, so I att
mircea_popescu: empted to set up some formats for writing a manual. When that produced something pleasant to look at, it occurred to me that I should just make a whole manual about MACLISP."
mircea_popescu: finally.
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mircea_popescu: "As of next Thursday, ITS will be flushed in favor of TOPS-10. Please update your programs."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just so you know, ima refer to this thing liberally whenever you bitch at me about things.
mircea_popescu: "Much later, in 1993, the specific online design processes we used were later studied and written up by researchers at the MIT Sloan School [Yates93]." << word.
asciilifeform: wai wut
asciilifeform: btw recall, rms never forgave the destruction of its
mircea_popescu: !up Howdy__
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " for it's New Madrid, Missouri smelter "
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asciilifeform: 'who is not with us, is against us' (tm) (r) (lenin)
asciilifeform: this would walk the razor's edge of danger, in re splitting trb into own parallel universe, however
asciilifeform: ergo it ought to be a selectable thing, ideally.
asciilifeform: but overall it would make sense to have a lenin knob
asciilifeform: where, say, 0 is maximally permissive (disables malleus, even) and 10 is 'any sign of deviation from trb conventions --> permaban'
asciilifeform: if this thing were an actual multithreaded proggy, we could drop the priority of vermin instead of dropping'em entirely, but we have what we have.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo " for it's New Madrid, Missouri smelter " << ty fxd
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the definition of "nonstandard tx" is iffy.
mircea_popescu: so far it'd be a knob connected to not very much. once we have an actually meaningful protocol, then.
BingoBoingo thinks rather than 'malleus II' this would be 'malleus differentpersonium'
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