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danielpbarron: !up morenoh149
morenoh149: what is that?
morenoh149: I have bitcoins. What do I do with them?
trinque: you can send them to me if you like.
danielpbarron: you can buy Eulora coppers with them
morenoh149: anyone else in nyc? met a couple of ppl interested in finance and bitcoin this month
ben_vulpes: lol ##javascript
danielpbarron: i'm near nyc
ben_vulpes: you met people interested in finance, morenoh149?
ben_vulpes: in nyc of all places?
morenoh149: yeah there was a bitcoin meetup over at solidX
ben_vulpes: solidX being?
morenoh149: a company
ben_vulpes: looks like a website from here
ben_vulpes: gallancy, since 2011
ben_vulpes: daniel h gallancy, i mean to say
ben_vulpes: dimitri nemirovsky, since 2013
ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012
ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00048577 = 76.023 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: bob mcelrath contributed to numerous open source projects in the bitcoin space, including Bitcoin Core.
ben_vulpes: and not a single one of them have i ever heard of.
ben_vulpes: and who are you morenoh149?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114086 @ 0.00048604 = 55.4504 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57750 @ 0.00049181 = 28.402 BTC [+] {3}
morenoh149: I write javascript mostly. I own a little bitcoin I bought off some asian guy
ben_vulpes: that's not an answer to the question
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343716 << oh i think i see what's going on here
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:12:39; asciilifeform: somebody +v ascii_field por favor, he can't reach the button
ben_vulpes: that is some specific diddling.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00049183 = 44.3139 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Bitcoin Transaction 58262fa8436e0d35b73e43caef8c6e4d929507a3acb9d44e56b26b48251e30e8 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvwEj9 )
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao
ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it
ben_vulpes: buy a si fab in mod6's old age i imagine
BingoBoingo: Eventually bury meganodes in concrete
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski https://archive.is/L2CGe
assbot: Eating the Bitcoin Cake — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLvep8 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 111564 @ 0.00049174 = 54.8605 BTC [+] {3}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86750 @ 0.00048766 = 42.3045 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: !up morenoh149
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34900 @ 0.00049169 = 17.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2118 @ 0.00048766 = 1.0329 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82531 @ 0.00048772 = 40.252 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60100 @ 0.00049054 = 29.4815 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00048526 = 27.9995 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 218946 @ 0.00049141 = 107.5923 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] It’s not your outgoing US President’s fault he’s a dumb monkey, it’s affirmative action’s. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/16/its-not-your-outgoing-us-presidents-fault-hes-a-dumb-monkey-its-affirmative-actions/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71950 @ 0.00049198 = 35.398 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 164967 @ 0.00049207 = 81.1753 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81800 @ 0.00049259 = 40.2939 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162150 @ 0.00048505 = 78.6509 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113100 @ 0.0004841 = 54.7517 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Why can't China make a good ballpoint pen? | Marketplace.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbtMiO )
jurov: First up was Qu Daokui, CEO of a robotics company. “If I close my eyes and try to think of a product that has Chinese characteristics and is recognized internationally,” stammered Qu, “I can’t think of one.”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17053 @ 0.00048379 = 8.2501 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75797 @ 0.0004825 = 36.5721 BTC [-] {2}
adlai: cf "bla bla space pen bla bla nasa money bla bla freezing boiling cosmic-ray-induced-degradation-of-premium-ink blabla. the russians used a pencil."
adlai: ehehe of course there's a blog for that: http://therussiansusedapencil.com/post/175863624/the-pencil
assbot: The Pencil - The Russians Used a Pencil ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZbvCjH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52404 @ 0.00048287 = 25.3043 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 16:58:50; davout: mircea_popescu: pl0x to x.eur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37700 @ 0.00048589 = 18.3181 BTC [+]
jurov: *sigh* in the quest to make sense of trb's memory allocations, i ended up at gates of openssl's CBigNum
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76200 @ 0.00048939 = 37.2915 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124900 @ 0.00049071 = 61.2897 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124650 @ 0.00048127 = 59.9903 BTC [-] {3}
davout: jurov: dem gates of hell
assbot: Satoshi asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option/src/bignum.h ... ( http://bit.ly/1lP3cOw )
assbot: OpenSSL ... ( http://bit.ly/1lP3epI )
jurov: which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way."
punkman: it overloads the assignment operator? dear god
jurov: yes. and the best thing? igprof says it's called from CBlock::AddToBlockIndex but i have no idea where exactly the fucking compiler implicitly added it
punkman: actually it has custom fn for all operators
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88300 @ 0.00049335 = 43.5628 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h )
mircea_popescu: davout on it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344203 <<< Vulpes Suave Sarcasm. The kind the pope uses.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:07:37; ben_vulpes: in nyc of all places?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344211 <<< https://twitter.com/twobitidiot/status/497449427460956161 being the... one guy that retweeted that selkis two bit idiot thing should count as " a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012" wouldn't you say ?
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:10:53; ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012
mircea_popescu: they're taking the "i've been part of the bitcoin through talking" to the next level : "in my head, i could have been talking abotu this in 2012 so why the hell not!"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage. <<< bwaghaghaga fuckuing epic.
mircea_popescu: there is apparently OTHER seminal legal work in "The space" than my semen the sec chicklets guzzled. fancy that.
mircea_popescu: next time ima be sure to spread the media coverage wider.
mircea_popescu: this has been entertaining.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344227 << heh. it's an american thing, how could one not have more money than it ?!
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:50:32; BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure yall definitely have more money than the Vessenes' Foundation nao
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 05:51:21; *: ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93044 @ 0.00049386 = 45.9507 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.0004921 = 5.4131 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: just reached the indiancandy and thnewdeal part of the logs, wtf
mircea_popescu: tis a mystery.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:05:32; jurov: which says "dest should be a newly allocated BIGNUM obtained via a call to BN_new(). It should not have been used for other purposes or initialised in any way."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344280 <<< ahahaha check it out, the brits stick to rotherham!
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:27:29; assbot: Ehsan Abdulaziz: Saudi millionaire who said he 'accidentally tripped and penetrated' teenage girl cleared of rape | Crime | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jbxb8h )
mircea_popescu: should just move the fucking capital already, who needs the queen.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00049151 = 3.4651 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: oh, the mystery clears : https://archive.is/pcaTg#selection-1583.0-1585.0 << the subject matter expert primarily exists in the xt.
assbot: only-bigblocks branch code review - Google Groups ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2bb9e )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 129000 @ 0.000494 = 63.726 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: !up justanotheruser
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38561 @ 0.00049151 = 18.9531 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: “Gunslinger’s gait”: a new cause of unilaterally reduced arm swing | The BMJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8larH )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161050 @ 0.00048848 = 78.6697 BTC [-]
assbot: Cybersecurity Won’t Be the Biggest Deal at China’s World Internet Conference - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8miLS )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35663 @ 0.00048622 = 17.3401 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: ΝΙΚΟΣ ΜΑΜΑΓΚΑΚΗΣ ΤΟ ΤΡΑΓΟΥΔΙ ΤΟΥ ΤΡΕΛΛΟΥ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8mPxk )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 114600 @ 0.00048079 = 55.0985 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63502 @ 0.00048455 = 30.7699 BTC [+]
assbot: 146 Startup Failure Post-Mortems
punkman: goldmine
punkman: (why didn't assbot add a bit.ly to the title?)
mircea_popescu: no idea.
assbot: dpaste: 1TD2Q8F ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2miid )
davout: mircea_popescu: danke schön
mircea_popescu: getting the xeurs in momentarily.
mircea_popescu: !up Peter_Geschel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00048455 = 10.8539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161337 @ 0.00047968 = 77.3901 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Facewatch 'thief recognition' CCTV on trial in UK stores - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1O8qs6v )
mircea_popescu: today like in athens 3k years ago, a good chunks of "thieves" are the merchant's own adolescent sons.
deedbot-: [fr.anco.is] X.EUR December 16th statement - http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-december-16th-statement/
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.BBET] [PAID] 0.56897406 BTC to 5`000`000 shares, 11 satoshi per share
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 124.03338301 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 24 satoshi per share
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone wanna do a wire for me ?
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62200 @ 0.00048154 = 29.9518 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 190216 @ 0.00047759 = 90.8453 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132700 @ 0.0004867 = 64.5851 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: #bitcoin-assets on freenode is a good one with frequent discussion | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1mnYWpj )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344269 << what's the clue for this ? ( is this wallet code ? it never once turned up in any of my leak tests )
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 11:04:58; jurov: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/bignum.h?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#0068 specifically, this appear to leak memory somehow
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 12:04:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more.
asciilifeform: everybody else would, if they could...
asciilifeform: 'There was no doubt about it: I had discovered The Next Big Thing. Like Edison and the lightbulb, like Gates and the pc operating system, I would launch a revolution that would transform society while bringing me wealth and fame. I was about to become the first person in America to sell condom key chains.'
asciilifeform: interestingly, there are two or three 'adult' defunct corps in there (a biotech thing and i forget what else)
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
assbot: Windows XP spotted on Royal Navy's spanking new aircraft carrier • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1k2ypMu )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 379461 @ 0.00048578 = 184.3346 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins`: time to smoke a jazz cigarette while taking a shower
nubbins`: for those of you who have never, it's enjoyable
jurov: asciilifeform: igprof shown several megabytes of LIVE_MEM for BN_copy called from operator= despite it's almost always used only temporary
jurov: (that was after I eliminated some unrelated noise)
nubbins`: jurov seems you're making some progress
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 1970 @ 0.00135351 = 2.6664 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: hard to say. my style of work is more like throwing shit to wall than some systematic progress
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344295 << having no expenses is great, aha <<< hey, i don't recall teh mod6 / ben_vulpes writing in any checks that bounced, so... it covers 100% of its expenses!
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 12:04:39; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344228 << fancy that! one government gets 0.1% voluntary tax and doesn't know what to do with it, the other gets 70%ish at gunpoint and thinks it needs so much more.
jurov: putting outside of heap all permanent block-related data that won't ever get deallocated, looks like an improvement and do improve the baseline
jurov: but if it helps with maintaining mempool remains to be seen
jurov: and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :(
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> jurov seems you're making some progress << ironically, the operator= nonsense was JUST linked in a basic piece about how c++ sucks that we've all read and yet it made nobody else click.
jurov: are we getting rid of c++? yay!
jurov: mircea_popescu: map is not the territory
mircea_popescu: jurov quite. i recall reading that thing years ago, too. understood as nothing of it then as now, obviously.
mircea_popescu: but hey, i like to read.
nubbins`: if you like to read, you'll love irc
mircea_popescu: i do, actually. this line-at-a-time business is almost perfect.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00047692 = 37.7721 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news : okcupid makes money in two ways that i can see. one is to sell you "A list" status, which brings no obvious benefits other than "browse invisibly". they advertise the shit out of it too, "you are browsing visibly". what the fuck sort of deranged ustardian would actually make an account of a site specifically dedicated to finding people and then wanting stealth!
mircea_popescu: but anyway. i imagine it's making a decent penny for them, being exactly the fuctarded "sit by lakeside and carefully dip toe in" thing that today's women of both sexes obsess over.
mircea_popescu: the other, and this is the lulzy part, is a "boost", where you pay them a buck or two and they "show your profile" to VERY MANY ppl!!1
mircea_popescu: this is practically a straight advertising deal, and i have the numbers : out of the ~150-200k people onlione they claim perpetually, the 1-2 dollar thing buys you about 300 over an hour, so that's superficially 1.5-2 per thousand but i suspect might be as high as 10% given that obviously, not everyone actually pays any attention to them.
mircea_popescu: as the boost takes about an hour, this caps the okcupid revenue from this line to somewhere around say 20 bux an hour ? which sounds just about right.
mircea_popescu: on the other hand, of those 2-300 people, should you have the curiosity to include a link strategically in your profile, you might discover that exactly... 0%, as well as 0 per thousand actually click.
mircea_popescu: on the basis of all the foregoing, i would say the market value of okcupid is definitely under 10 btc and perhaps over 1 btc.
mircea_popescu: this puts the per-capita value of an ustard (that LTV thing discussed in some earlier links in log ) somewhere in the 1 to 10 cents.
mircea_popescu: also, seeing how InterActiveCorp ( NASDAQ: IACI ) consists of at least 10% okcupid and claims total assets of 4bn, we can estimate the value of the bezzle! if 4k worth of okcupid is perhaps 10% of the business self-valued at 4bn, then every dollar a us corporation owns is worth ~0.001 cents of actual, honest to god, turkey-buying dollars and 0.999 cents of pure bezzle.
mircea_popescu: numbers are probably not exact, but they are certainly & guaranteedly closer to reality than the bizarro view where "apple has 1 dollar means apple has 1 dollar".
mircea_popescu: of only practical interest here, remember that for every $1000 added to your 401k, you can expect to buy about a cent;s worth of turkey at some point down the road.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85950 @ 0.00048002 = 41.2577 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344351 << sure. pgp-gram coordinates and details ?
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 14:29:01; mircea_popescu: in other news, anyone wanna do a wire for me ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski onesec.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50950 @ 0.00047689 = 24.2975 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 275700 @ 0.00047669 = 131.4234 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: 4WD Blues: 28K Mile 1981 Toyota Pick-Up | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O67KGp )
assbot: $5800 Twin Turbo 302 1986 Ford F-150 Sleeper | Bring a Trailer ... ( http://bit.ly/1O67KWI )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ah, as per intel they actually bought okcupid for 50mn, so prolly should shed some zeros.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344298 << the key to successful marketing is repetition and persistence. and repetition !
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 12:05:29; mircea_popescu: deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] << hey, maybe stick some more pete dushenski in there, pete_dushenski ? just in case tis not clear!
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54750 @ 0.00047633 = 26.0791 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "Product: Pixable
mircea_popescu: We achieved what we set out to do, even if the final result didn’t end up with us becoming the next Buzzfeed. We never wanted to be the next Buzzfeed. We always wanted to be who we were, Pixable. And it was working. Unfortunately, circumstances [despite reaching 9.4M active users and 58M monthly video views] … made it difficult to raise money and continue on."
mircea_popescu: epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!"
mircea_popescu looks forward to hearing this an awful lot in the coming years, out of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343794
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 19:39:26; mircea_popescu: ascii_field by the time that's done, my dear alf, everyone who's still asleep ain't never waking up again.
pete_dushenski: "i don't want to succeed if it means i can't be ME ! what am i, some sort of sellout ?"
mircea_popescu: "Title: Bitcoin Reputation Startup Bonafide to Shut Down
mircea_popescu: Product: Bonafide
mircea_popescu: In the email, co-founders Karthik Balasubramanian and Brian Moyer stated their belief that the movement of investor interest away from consumer-facing applications for the technology was also a factor. Balasubramanian and Moyer wrote: ”While investment and activity continues to occur it is focused on private and alternate chains rather than bitcoin or other public chains where Bonafide operates.” As a result, the c
mircea_popescu: o-founders said they saw “little chance” that they would be able to generate revenue, pivot their product or secure additional funding."
mircea_popescu: all the things nobody heard of from all the people nobody heard of.
mircea_popescu: this is a little like being a chinese diplomat reviewing the records of this obscure tribe, meanwhile crushed, that apparently thought it had sent lots and lots of ambassadors, expeditions, generals, so forth.
mircea_popescu: nobody in china ever saw their faces before the day they were locked in a hut and burned alive, but hey. THEY thought they were part of the conversation.
pete_dushenski: and they have the fishwrap to prove it !
pete_dushenski: "look at all our media mentions !
mircea_popescu: but anyway, there's going to be A LOT of busting kneecaps of uppity ustard "capitalists" who imagine they actually get to have a say and whatnot.
pete_dushenski: this is actually an incredibly strong signal that the product in question is doomed, if their landing page says "as seen in nyt, good morning america, etc."
mircea_popescu: alternative and private, seriously ? what, like your wife & daughter ? why are they chained in my closed then, if they're this private an' alternative ?
mircea_popescu: i dun see any alternative there.
assbot: Logged on 15-12-2015 18:53:14; nubbins`: and if not, it's 100% because of everyone else
mircea_popescu: Product: Dine In
mircea_popescu: “We knew acquisition was the best course of action,” says [Evan] Graj. That eventually led to Dine In being approached in February by a major Internet company active in the online food space, and it’s my understanding that by April — and significant legal fees later — a sale had been agreed. Then at the eleventh hour the deal unexpectedly fell through, leaving the restaurant delivery startup “high and dry
mircea_popescu: ” and its unnamed acquirer a “no-show”. Adds Graj: “They backed out leaving us with a huge legal bill both for Dine In and myself personally, a huge debt to note holders, and no VCs to turn to. A hard lesson to learn and one I’ll be taking into my next venture.”
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6aNyh )
mircea_popescu: Product: Quirky
mircea_popescu: Steering the ship — handling all of the engineering, manufacturing, marketing, and retailing, even when you’re taking 90 percent of the subsequent profits — was ultimately too expensive of a proposition, especially in comparison to other, less-handholding-oriented start-ups. “The reason why Kickstarter makes a ton of money is they don’t have to do anything besides put up a website,” Kaufman notes.
assbot: Signing a shoe is the same as signing the papers. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6b2cD )
mircea_popescu: Product: Selltag
mircea_popescu: Escribano said that the company’s main problem was user engagement and retention. “In every marketplace you have the chicken-and-egg problem with buyers and sellers. We tried to capture them both organically and via paid marketing, but it wasn’t enough. Getting sellers was somewhat easy, but buyers much more complicated”
nubbins`: you could fill the oceans with people who thought buyers would magically appear
mircea_popescu: these are pretty epic.
mircea_popescu: "Product: Zen99
mircea_popescu: We had a user acquisition problem, and the best route involved a competitor…The best acquisition method I saw was tapping into an existing network of people who had filed 1099s: like Intuit’s hundreds of millions of tax returns, many with 1099 income. Unfortunately, Intuit released an identical competing product to us. It’s not ideal when your best user acquisition strategy is partnering with a company who has a
mircea_popescu: competing product."
mircea_popescu: "oh, we were going to change the world on someone else's dime. what do you mean "wut" ?!?!?! WE ARE GENIUZ!"
mircea_popescu: "Product: QBotix
mircea_popescu: Each member of our now pared-down team knew exactly how much runway the company had remaining, the status of our strategic talks, and the acknowledged long odds we faced as a going concern. To their credit, they remained focused, productive and on-task until our final day — a remarkable expression of dedication to the mission and to each other. Sadly, and in spite of the achievements, we simply ran out of time and ca
mircea_popescu: sh to finish the job."
mircea_popescu: any mention of "i suck as a manager" eerily absent. "i don't suck as a manager - i gave all the people who had no responsibility in the matter all the data about what a shit job i was doing. this means i wasn't doing a shit job! this is also how i went through school - i told my parents about all the Cs i got! this is actually better than getting As!"
mircea_popescu: why are these people this fucking stupid ?
nubbins`: we knew we'd run out of gas, but bobby steered and lisa worked the accelerator and we got as far down that road as we could. unfortunately we just couldn't pull over to the shoulder.
mircea_popescu: this is like, fundamental abdication from humanity. these people aspire to be bugs.
mircea_popescu: "Product: Vatler
mircea_popescu: We started VATLER during the summer of 2014 as an on-demand valet service in San Francisco … We received a phone call from the police department telling us that our permits had not been granted and they gave us a warning because we were operating illegally in most of our locations…In 2 weeks, we lost major accounts and 30% of our revenue streams without any perspective of growth. We tried to make some restaurants p
mircea_popescu: ay but it was just not working. Our model was no longer valid and were forced to cease operations in the city on September 7th."
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "Spousal resemblance on educational attainment was very high in the early twentieth century, declined to an all-time low for young couples in the early 1950s, and has increased steadily since then. These trends broadly parallel the compression and expansion of socioeconomic inequality in the United States over the twentieth century. Additionally, educationally similar parents are more likely to h
pete_dushenski: ave offspring who themselves marry within their own educational level." << thus, the true story behind the problem of idiot "boomers" is revealed : they thought they thought they could improve on history and stick it to their fuddy duddy parents all at the same time ! derp.
nubbins`: vatler
nubbins`: more like leller
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of seinfeld, "i give some guy the keys to my car because he's wearing a vest"
mircea_popescu: this'd be an epic car theft ring, really. "kicstarter decentralized on demand carbon conscious valet service!"
nubbins`: this is great, i'm gonna read these over some coffee
mircea_popescu: "Product: Better
mircea_popescu: Better had one of the best consumer user experiences out there but that isn’t enough. "
mircea_popescu: gotta love "out there". it's almost as good as "self-aware citizen of the nubbins"
mircea_popescu: but hey... im sure they never said nigger and so how bad could it have been! out there!
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I’m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2–4–8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: !gettrust charleslee
assbot: charleslee is not registered in WoT.
pete_dushenski: well, there'd be his problem.
mircea_popescu: "Product: Circa
mircea_popescu: Our ongoing plan was to monetize Circa News through the building of a strategy we had spent a long time developing but unfortunately we were unable to close a significant investment prior to becoming resource constrained."
mircea_popescu: i have a dog that speaks like this.
mircea_popescu: he's made out of pixels.
mircea_popescu: also, apparently all the douchy "entrepreneurs" and serial failurerists are on medium.
pete_dushenski: as is hearn, shock.
mircea_popescu: "Unfortunately, having failed to execute on our original vision, we recently made the decision to wind down the company."
mircea_popescu: wow, someone who went to school!
mircea_popescu: vocational school, it's true, but a damn sight better than the whole rest of 'em nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/800/1*Bf3w_7sOPfgJHVnkWzn_ug.png << the us seriously looks more and more like soviet russia.
pete_dushenski: train tracks... to nowhere !
mircea_popescu: i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ?
mircea_popescu: "UDesign™ allowed everyday people to generate their own uniquely beautiful patterns for made-to-order clothing and accessories, using mathematical simulations inspired by Complexity science and Chaos theory."
pete_dushenski: butterflies choose your clothing size !
mircea_popescu: the fundamental problem here being that if your "mathematical simulations inspired by words" actually produce stuff people want to wear, then you don't need it to be an app, just build a factory ; on the other hand, if people have to design themselves, then you have the same old problem of UGC : people suck.
mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING!
mircea_popescu: it not only made it impossible to immediately notice that people suck, but it also made it unobvious to gatekeepers that this is a dumb idea.
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mircea_popescu: incredibly enough, it STILL didn't work! yet nobody can ever tell him why! because IT WAS WHITENED!!! ha-ha!
mircea_popescu: how can these people be this dumb. seriously.
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assbot: My startup failed, and this is how it went down… — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPVfIN )
punkman: "No one is in charge; it’s visibly decaying. Megatons of it, irrelevant, incapable of restoration, the walking dead…the House of Usher."
mircea_popescu: " We spent way too much money. I’ll tell you exactly how much we spent:
mircea_popescu: • $1000 on a conceptual promotional video for our brand.
mircea_popescu: • $2000 for a second promotional video for our app.
mircea_popescu: • $500 for promotional clothing for the models in our videos.
mircea_popescu: • $Another 50 per model for the 10 models in our videos."
punkman: lol
mircea_popescu: check it out, the guy spent way too much money. s.mg blew up more than that on online advertising for eulora mostly to give me material to write derisively abot "the industry" of online advertising.
mircea_popescu: $50 a model, that's about what random internet ho gets for a titshot, and they still bitch about being face shy
mircea_popescu: these are the people that can't be bothered to notice posters that cost more than their underwear.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean what they're currently wearing, i mean all the underwear they ever used.
mircea_popescu: "After $4000 spent, there was NO way, in light of the supposed attention to detail and effort we put into our videography, that this could not generate some kind of a media buzz, and in return, contribute to revenue growth…" << loller.
mircea_popescu: talk to the derps that spent 200mn and nobody ever heard of them.
mircea_popescu: "The outcome? Based on subsequent actuarial, statistical, and financial analyses, we concluded that not a single dollar spent on videography amounted to a single dollar in revenue generated by those investments. In other words, every dollar we spent on videography and on models was, economically speaking, a complete and utter deadweight loss (photography actually proved to be very effective early on, and should we have
mircea_popescu: invested in that we may have been better off. In retrospect, however, it was still difficult to say whether it would have saved us from our subsequent mistakes).
mircea_popescu: So what was it? Did we just pick the wrong videographer? Did we pay too much for what was being offered? Should we have paid more for a more experienced videographer? Or significantly less for someone of equal calibre? Maybe our product just didn’t need a video? I mean, we’re selling women’s clothing and the items themselves are undoubtedly “out there”. Perhaps leveraging word of mouth would have proved just
mircea_popescu: as effective?"
mircea_popescu: someone can afford to do actuarial work on 4k.
mircea_popescu: where the fuck do they hire those actuaries that work for 50 cents an hour ?
mircea_popescu: "3) Overconfidence. Some of us are too confident about our abilities, and this causes us to take greater risks in our daily lives." << mno. some of you are overfed and underexposed to risk of violent death. that makes you be stupid, it's got nothing to do with "risk taking" bs. it has everything to do with erroneously positioning oneself in relation to the outside world and the great things in it.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "uppity ustard talking out of line" is correctly represented as "fellow human taking on too much risk" is a core example of this problem, actually. what, we're all sitting at a table in mutual equality deciding how much to put down on red ? gtfo, you're not even allowed in the parking lot.
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assbot: Suit Share ... ( http://bit.ly/1lPXb4b )
punkman: yeah I totally want random derps used suit
mircea_popescu: slutshare would be a better idea.
mircea_popescu: "got a ho you're tired of ? see who'd want her."
mircea_popescu: "the only apple app that celebrates women as items in trade"
mircea_popescu: now THAT'd get some buzz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101300 @ 0.00048202 = 48.8286 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 15:52:10; jurov: and the code i ended up with is rather invasive :(
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344417 << p. review is an exam prep co. (a kind of 3-rd rate 'pepsi' to kaplan co., the mega-brand in that sector) and is not even connected with princeton uni., interestingly
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:22:58; mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform the same iac/spamcorp owns the princetown review, your favourite!
ascii_field: i'm not sure why 'it is my favourite' other than the fact that i used to live on a street that had one such. it was quite dilapidated and possibly abandoned
ascii_field: afaik, the only notable thing about 'princeton review' is that - at least in the past - they 'guaranteed higher score or your money back!'
ascii_field: i do not know how this worked
ascii_field: possibly an actuarial sort of gambit.
mircea_popescu: !s princeton review
assbot: 0 results for 'princeton review' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=princeton+review
mircea_popescu: i somehow thought you mentioned them once.
ascii_field: the exams they prep folks for have since been made easier in the name of 'diversity'
ascii_field: and now the prep corps are getting sad.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344421 << usa's gonna need a good reliable supply of wagner & cyanide..
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:27:05; mircea_popescu: epic. "i am exactly who i wanted to be : a failure. unfortunately, this also means i die now. so long!"
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:28:40; mircea_popescu: "Title: Bitcoin Reputation Startup Bonafide to Shut Down
mircea_popescu: no you don't understand, they were going to sit themselves down in the middle of someone else's field and charge a toll!
mircea_popescu: i should be less psychopathic!
mircea_popescu: me. i should be. these fucktards who imagine the world exists like their stupid mother, just waiting for them to squeeze a tit a little are fine.
ascii_field: !s axenic mouse
assbot: 2 results for 'axenic mouse' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=axenic+mouse
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:33:38; mircea_popescu: Product: Selltag
mircea_popescu: incidentally, funny scene yest : /me turns a corner, openms door and goes in. because me is thirsty and place looks like a diner or soemthing.
mircea_popescu: assistence sheepishly followsa.
mircea_popescu: little does me know that the thing is a starbucks. little does me care, either. assistence is in disbelief over the wonder. mp in starbucks!
mircea_popescu: so while the girls tried to expedite a TWELVE PERSON QUEUE at the SINGLE OPEN COUNTER in what the argentinian fucktards fraudulently misrepresent as a local instantiation of a usian chain
ascii_field: hey they serve perfectly good piss
mircea_popescu: (seriously, imagine this in an actual starbucks lmao!)
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mircea_popescu: i watched a middle aged woman and two young men. they were seated at some table being the usual monkeys adolescents are today
ascii_field: and the starbux i went to a few days ago looked exactly like this.
mircea_popescu: and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants.
mircea_popescu: and i was like... what the fuck is wrong with you woman! i have women to run around and serve me because i'm fucking special.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck are you trying to cheat at life ? your two idiots aren't worth eating for fucks sake.
assbot: Tara ca un hotel, sau o schimbare de perspectiva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1UA1lsf )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field they're skimping on service in the us too now ?
ascii_field: whole-room queues, etc.
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha what
mircea_popescu: so how is it america ?
ascii_field: idk i've never been to any of the other usas
ascii_field: only this one
mircea_popescu: even as late as 2004 queues were still reserved for subway and other subhumanities.
ascii_field vaguely recalls that - yes
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344498 << if going to west coast - ammo. (which, iirc, is hard to find there)
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:47:32; mircea_popescu: i wonder what will i be taking in my travels for the waitresses and secretaries. tp and jeans like before ? batteries, maybe ?
nubbins`: back when i drank the black piss from starbucks
ascii_field: the mega-s33kr1t of starbucks is why it became popular
nubbins`: i was surprised to discover that they teach the english menu to employees in non-english-speaking countries
ascii_field: (prices helped to filter out untermenschen!)
nubbins`: i.e. i walked into a starbucks in seoul and ordered my usual in english and they /made it/
mircea_popescu: english menu aka "venti" ?
nubbins`: lel yes
nubbins`: like you just say "5-shot venti caramel no-room americano"
nubbins`: and it appears in yr hand
mircea_popescu: anyway, in this particular case they didn't manage to close the sale in a minute or so, and so i walked out.
nubbins`: entire menu: english words transliterated into korean alphabet
mircea_popescu has spent less time waiting than most people spent having orgasms, afaict.
assbot: Sex is not an accident - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8mHgn )
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 16:49:12; mircea_popescu: check it out asciilifeform someone decided to solve the problem of ugc by adding... WHITENING!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field depends if we're talking the lesser briton or the superior arab stock.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i can only assume it was a straight case of 'hands off because foreign relations' thing
mircea_popescu: it was a case of "the best thing that can happen to a subhuman british citizen is being used for the pleasure of a superior muslin man"
mircea_popescu: straight case alright.
mircea_popescu: if i ever end up accused of rape in the crown's possessions i will point out that not being british myself, they shouldn't be as presumptious as all this. i'll tell them if i fucked them or not if i feel like it, no need to try and invent themselves merits scripturally.
mircea_popescu: such honor is, after all, to be earned.
ascii_field: if herr assange is any precedent, nato rape charge will at some point be sop for anyone even half-famous
mircea_popescu: apparently not.
mircea_popescu: only for the... peons. hm. need a word to brand the subhuman quality of white/english speaking/western world folk.
mircea_popescu: rapemeat, maybe ? wews, just like jews but white ?
mircea_popescu: im starting to understand that part of the reason people still stick around is that they don't have a ready reference for their inferiority as white people in the western world.
mircea_popescu: there should be a word. maybe we reuse the old ottoman gyauri
ascii_field: stick around ?
nubbins`: y'know, not commit seppuku
ascii_field: they're already slow-seppukuing
ascii_field: i suppose if mircea_popescu wants to pass out wagner & cyanide, it'll go a little faster
mircea_popescu: lo lthat was fast.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: anyway, i suppose with any luck the alien invasion discovers cold fusion as an apple app or something. you never know, right ? hay mas futuro.
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mircea_popescu: trizantynes lol.
ascii_field: holyfuq wat
mircea_popescu: you know, bi+1
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:02:52; punkman: guy's new venture: http://www.suitshare.com/
mircea_popescu: i don't think you understand how retarded adolescence works.
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ascii_field: i only know how antisocial maths adolescence wurks
ascii_field: mebbe close enough ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344578 << oh and in case mircea_popescu did not know : american starbucks DOES NOT have table service of whatever kind
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:44:27; mircea_popescu: and the woman was running back and forth bringing them shit and kneeling at that low coffee table so i could see her asscrack through her pants.
ascii_field: whether with ugly or pretty gurlz
mircea_popescu: ascii_field neither did this one, but i have my own.
mircea_popescu: i'm advanced like that.
ascii_field: it will have an elephant if you bring yer own, too
ascii_field: nuthin wrhng witht hat
mircea_popescu: speaking of, it's a little declase to not have one's own valet, don't we find ?
mircea_popescu: not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town.
mircea_popescu: but no valet ? what sort of a man's one supposed to be ?
ascii_field: wasn't mircea_popescu explaining that there is a horde of usians without even own car now ?
ascii_field: much less own driver
mircea_popescu: no but was discussing men.
mircea_popescu: i mean, i myself am a pervert, use females for the role. but this notwithstanding...
mircea_popescu: seems a pretty minimal bar.
ascii_field: minimal for what ?
ascii_field: dirigible ?
mircea_popescu: manhood.
ascii_field: well i live on mouse planet with the other mice and so anything mircea_popescu tells us about the man planet, i'll prolly believe
mircea_popescu: i am trying to introduce it on the basis of le logique~
ascii_field: bahahawat
ascii_field: 'Yea, a trooper of the forces who has run his own six horses!' -- kipling
assbot: Poems - Gentlemen-rankers ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6yCWJ )
mircea_popescu: i know the poem, i'm just not following what you're saying here!
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 18:17:06; mircea_popescu: not having owe's own horse i could see, on the grounds that, well... it;'s the town.
ascii_field: and whether 'serious man' ought to have own horse, and what is the equiv. today
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ;;later tell BingoBoingo so chuck lee makes it an entire thousand words without sounding like a complete momo, only to finish with "P.S. I’m currently in favor of scaling Bitcoin via 2–4–8, SegWit, and LN." like, wtf. << But he also took the castle analogy from a contravex it seems
mircea_popescu: yes but to run six horses is a diff story
mircea_popescu: he didn't own those
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the fella in k's thing ~did~ (past tense) own them. and then descended into 'trooper' class, and wallows in self-pity
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: aha. that. you know my writings better than i do lol
mircea_popescu: perhaps huh.
punkman: ascii_field: [...] http://imgur.com/gallery/JZ3yjCD << that's pretty great
assbot: Sex is not an accident - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8mHgn )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: National Terrorism Advisory System Bulletin - December 16, 2015 | Homeland Security ... ( http://bit.ly/227UMCo )
nubbins`: i like how they refer to the country as "the homeland"
ascii_field: a bushism
mircea_popescu: reminds me of a certain guy with a moustache
mircea_popescu: vaterland!11
ascii_field: отечество
nubbins`: If You See Something Say Something™ used with permission of the NY Metropolitan Transportation Authority.
ascii_field: it is only funny because usa is nobody's homeland
ascii_field: 'we must die for our hotel, soldiers!'
mircea_popescu: it's actually everyone's not-homeland
mircea_popescu: everyone there is either a midwesterner or else "only here for a few years to make enough money to run off to argentina / send back home to laos"
ascii_field: nubbins`: every other bus in d.c. region now has a HUGE 'see sumthing say sumthing' on it
mircea_popescu: surprisingly, the end-of-life of a place which everyone uses as a mine is... being a garbage dump
nubbins`: ostensibly not to be used to report gov idiocy / graft / wastage
ascii_field: nubbins`: actually we had 'report welfare fraud!111' ads for a while
nubbins`: in a sane world that would explicitly equate to reporting lazy gov workers
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ascii_field: nubbins` would like to see ~more vigorous~ usg workers ?!
ascii_field: i think i'll pass
ascii_field: from earlier lul, 'Bitcoin remittance startup 37coins closes its doors... At the time of our launch, few bitcoin services actively catered to the underbanked and unbanked. Fortunately that is no longer the case. There are now many amazing bitcoin companies like BitGive Foundation...'
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
ascii_field: barfalicious
ascii_field: and one of the dead adults,
ascii_field: 'In [Calxeda's] case, we moved faster than our customers could move. We moved with tech that wasn’t really ready for them – ie, with 32-bit when they wanted 64-bit. We moved when the operating-system environment was still being fleshed out – [Ubuntu Linux maker] Canonical is all right, but where is Red Hat? We were too early.'
ascii_field: jurov ^ were these your arm boxes ?
ascii_field: from last year
nubbins`: oh that reminds me
jurov: what?
nubbins`: i signed up for this broadband speed test thing
jurov: i did not put these online yet
nubbins`: major ISPs have been getting flak for crappy speeds
nubbins`: company sends me: an openwrt router
BingoBoingo: !getrust coblee
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pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/06/17/why-its-over-for-litecoin/ << speaking of litecoin, just updated this old piece.
assbot: Why It’s Over For Litecoin | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/227WNhV )
pete_dushenski: actually the comments in there are pretty golden, mainly because a couple of our old boys - pankkake and thickasthieves - make appearances.
assbot: Well, We Failed. — Inside Wattage — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/227Xfgf )
ascii_field: 'We wanted to make it so creating and selling hardware was as easy as writing and publishing a blog post. You shouldn’t need to be an electrical engineer or an industrial designer to create electronic devices. Nor should you have to worry about supply chain or distribution if you wanted to sell them. We believed it was possible to eliminate all of that complexity, so the average person could easily create highl
ascii_field: y customized hardware without any electronics know-how, all within their browser. Of course, things didn’t exactly play out that way. But why?'
ascii_field: 'Brawker is a Bitcoin buying service enabling consumer to purchase products with bitcoin. Company (Dead / Inactive)'
ascii_field: the 'lumos' link is to a still-alive photovoltaic maker !
ascii_field: idiots
ascii_field: doesn't seem to be connected with the 'home automation' derpery
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.coblee.-1:c57c32e81236f7a81f09f6711e561f9d861427b6eb5fc8869081279a8fa95627
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for coblee with note: plagiarist. shill.
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.travispatron.-1:89ed5b6dd0be79f5f5046b2189526293c31f07ebf0f9459261dbd99851e1af5e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for travispatron with note: plagiarist. dunning-krugerand.
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assbot: Web development is in truly a sad state. Having worked on a larger Node project... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1T25ww2 )
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk
punkman: "I don't think most people run into this because most backend node programmers have moved to Go at this point" yeah because Go totally won't have dependency hell
ascii_field: maggots luvvvv a fresh piece of meat
ascii_field: but it doesn't stay fresh for long, no.
assbot: docker/daemon.go at master · docker/docker · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1T25V1u )
punkman: well bad example
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28318 @ 0.00048835 = 13.8291 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344585 << Last year was on a college campus where starbucks in student center had two tables and dedicated majority of floorspace for que
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:47:27; ascii_field: whole-room queues, etc.
pete_dushenski: this is sop for tim hortons in canada.
pete_dushenski: 50-100 meatpuppet line-ups 'normal' between classes and anywhere within walking distance of gov offices.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71000 @ 0.00048327 = 34.3122 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: tim hortons drive-thrus routinely cause traffic jams here
pete_dushenski: without philipinos (the actual, irl kind), these tim hortons operations would grind to a halt.
nubbins`: like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on
nubbins`: i didn't think they used robusta
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87079 @ 0.00048327 = 42.0827 BTC [-]
nubbins`: timmy's a stone's throw from my house had to modify parking lot last year
nubbins`: to make a drive-thru maze that would accomodate more cars
nubbins`: still backs up onto road.
nubbins`: and people still pull up behind the 5th car out in the road to get in the drive thru line
nubbins`: in ford f350s and big suvs, neutral gear, gassing it to the redline
nubbins`: telling people to shut up and drink their oil
assbot: Unlimited screen time recommended by AAP during holidays for kids | GomerBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1T27Y5z )
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> telling people to shut up and drink their oil << When plasticar was geared up in "Mad Max" mode with duct tape everywhere it was the mega trucks which offered it the widest berths.
nubbins`: took up three parking spots too, no doubt
BingoBoingo: Occasionally
BingoBoingo: From the tard mines: "Among the strongest creations of Team Abrams, Kylo Ren is a kind of baby Darth Vader who throws tantrums in inky-black robes while wearing a leather-and-metal-head appliance that looks like a domination mask by way of the grille of a 1952 Chevy." -NYtimes
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125400 @ 0.00048842 = 61.2479 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the “best on the military” among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is."
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:25:52; ascii_field: punkman: and mircea_popescu is puzzled why i'd rather be shot in the head six times than do www wurk
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:47:29; nubbins`: like, drive-thru full, parking lot full, cars just blocking road w/ right-turn indicator on
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344769 << this is what happens when you give poor people money.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:49:53; nubbins`: telling people to shut up and drink their oil
mircea_popescu: The only thing you can do is npm shrinkwrap and never update your dependencies ever again << doh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29500 @ 0.00048595 = 14.3355 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "The Node/JS ecosystems are experiencing a Cambrian explosion in technology, with all that implies. If you don't like it, don't worry. It probably won't take 20 million years this time to settle in on the "best" ways of doing things."
mircea_popescu: "Hey man it was a fun jab, and try not to take things so seriously. It's hyperbole and it's part of who I am and how I get a statement across."
mircea_popescu: dude that reddit...
mircea_popescu backs away slowly.
mircea_popescu: these derps "are" something now ?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: In the same way turds "are" something
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assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 19:59:13; BingoBoingo: Also from mines: "Donald Trump, who claims to be the “best on the military” among the 2016 Presidential candidates because he is the best at everything, apparently has no idea what the nuclear triad is."
ascii_field: a la bush II
kakobrekla: !s Decred
assbot: 0 results for 'Decred' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Decred
assbot: Bitcoin Developers Are Creating a New Digital Currency Called Decred - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IV4NfO )
fluffypony: kakobrekla: that's a PR overstatement, it's the Conformal / btcd guys
ascii_field: 'A hybrid proof-of-work and proof-of-stake technology-based consensus system that will balance consensus between miners and voters... [buncha crud snipped] ... Bottom-up non-financial decision making through the Decred Assembly by community members contributing to the project through work and effort.'
ascii_field: do we need to read more ?
kakobrekla: you came further than i
assbot: [ANN][DCR] Decred - Hybrid PoW/PoS | btcsuite Devs | Tons of New Features | Go ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7GVoD )
ascii_field: also i saw 'decred' and assumed it was something about ro's decret children
kakobrekla: >Possible bitcoin implementation/compatibility due to the main contributors being those behind the development of btcsuite. <what
fluffypony: json rpc api compatibility, I guess
kakobrekla: runs on x86, ergo bitcoin compatible
ascii_field: !s meni rosenfeld
assbot: 18 results for 'meni rosenfeld' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=meni+rosenfeld
ascii_field: ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding dependence on outside forces in the
ascii_field: future. Decred therefore improves with growth in a sustainable way and is accountable only to its users.'
ascii_field: ahahahaha wat
kakobrekla: devs feel they should get paid for derp work
ascii_field: premining not good enough for these folks ?
kakobrekla: naturally
kakobrekla: what if its worth something one day and they used it all for mcdonalds already?
ascii_field: like sov 'privatization' vouchers ?
kakobrekla: im not familiar with those
assbot: Russian voucher privatisation: 15 years on — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7I53t )
ascii_field: ^ basic likbez
ascii_field: this is sorta the definition of being poor - to not have anything that you might not end up 'having to sell for mcdonalds'
kakobrekla: iirc something similar happened here at some point
ascii_field: mircea_popescu described exactly same thing in ro
kakobrekla: even i got the shares of some companies, which i later sold for btc
kakobrekla: was a good deal
jurov: cuz slovenians don't know how to steal
jurov: czechoslovak voucher privatisation ended up a lottery
jurov: !up ascii_field
kakobrekla: well this seems a common practice
jurov: yup, washington consesus or whatitwascalled
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deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b81
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35792 @ 0.00048328 = 17.2976 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16668 @ 0.00048616 = 8.1033 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 << waitwut! 'When the difference between a given "Yes" bet time and the event time is less than two weeks, that bet will be refunded less BitBet's fee." means this guy is shooting for december 30 and 31 EXCLUSIVELY. that's some kinda aim lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 115832 @ 0.00048687 = 56.3951 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not such big balls. risking only fee if hit on any other days.
assbot: Rural NC town mocked on social media after passing solar moratorium | News & Observer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qt0WZN )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: well, price still has to hit 600 before now and new years...
pete_dushenski: otherwise, dude's out 1.2 btc.
BingoBoingo: Big, but Not such big
BingoBoingo: "Heiniger’s call-to-arms, reproduced in at least one local paper, predicts that solar farms could shift land use to such an extent that “it is highly unlikely this land will ever be farmed again.” Heiniger also denounced solar energy as a government-subsidized boondoggle that is “highly inefficient at producing energy.”"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151900 @ 0.00048789 = 74.1105 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: “We’re not opposed to the solar farm itself, just that particular location,” Lane said. “We wanted to make sure they didn’t overtake the town.” << Translation: 3 in our backyard already, stop forcing them down our throats if you won't even have one of your own
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
kakobrekla: speaking of food i just got a fresh batch of horse meat from a local farmer - man this shit is crazy good, sorry cows you can go home
BingoBoingo: Beautiful. Better than Doormouse?
kakobrekla: doormouse is a delicacy here and you cant really get it in large quantities, also it has very poor meat to bone ratio - and because of the doormouse diet, meat has a quite strong and specific taste - i prefer horse indeed
BingoBoingo: Perhaps what the world needs is doormoose.
kakobrekla: the dms fat has some very nice healing qualities tho
kakobrekla: people successfully use it for various types of skin issues and even joint pains and so on
BingoBoingo: So we really do need to make them bigger.
BingoBoingo things kakobrekla and nubbins` should collaborate on this urgent concern
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kakobrekla: im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste?
BingoBoingo: Well, you have the mice and he has the moose.
BingoBoingo: If nubbins doesn't clean his kitchen it will rapidly fill with moose
kakobrekla: the thing is, big things lose on quality
kakobrekla: ever had wild strawberry?
BingoBoingo: Have some in backyard, very good
kakobrekla: aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste.
BingoBoingo: yeah, maybe we'll have to table this until we get bored with our chip fabs and can move on to our own monsanto
BingoBoingo: But GMO mammals instead of corn and soy because much safer.
pete_dushenski: fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'In the past few years, about two dozen solar farms around the state have become targets of public ire, usually over aesthetics and property values. Facing local hostility, several of these energy projects were voluntarily withdrawn by the developers, said Daniel Conrad, a staff attorney for the N.C. Utilities Commission. The resistance often flares up in areas that have become magnets for solar farms – agricultura
ascii_field: l communities with cheap farmland near electrical substations where solar farms can interconnect to the power grid..'
ascii_field: ^ let's hope the imbeciles like shitting in the dark come the petrocalypse
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Cow town already has plenty of solar farm for themselves. It's Raleigh that has none.
ascii_field: (photovoltaics are thermodynamically -ev, but economically interesting because they... work while they work. and hence 'lock in' some joules for the owner)
pete_dushenski: like a give a shit about how cool and informal your company is. but i guess this speaks to how fungible your retarded staff are eh. "oh, matt left, but we got a new matt, just like the old one". keep being washing machines, i'm sure you'll be mega profitable.
BingoBoingo: Could even be economically +ev
ascii_field: like war.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: where was this
assbot: Republic Architecture Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1P7Rp7o )
jurov: !s photovoltaics ascii
assbot: 0 results for 'photovoltaics ascii' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=photovoltaics+ascii
pete_dushenski: and of course, no mailing address on 'contact' page. godfuckdamnallyourdumbmothers!!!1
pete_dushenski: ... it's on 'where' page.
jurov: ascii_field: what do you mean thermodynamically -ev?
ascii_field: jurov: costs more joules to make than yields over working life
pete_dushenski: because communication and physicality are incompatibru !
jurov: ascii_field: source?
ascii_field: jurov: back of envelope calculation, somewhere in the logz
ascii_field: jurov: if you feel like putting in the sweat and re-crunching the numberz for modern input, we will learn something useful
ascii_field: but the possibly novel thought earlier was, that photovoltaic could be a useful thing even if ~heavily~ -ev in the thermo sense
ascii_field: because it locks in 'J joules over Y years' sorta like a hedged bitbet
jurov: ;;calc 0.1*6*3600*3650
gribble: 7884000.0
jurov: 100 watt * 6 hours daily * 10years
BingoBoingo: Limiting factor seems to be that upper limit of pv panel lifespan is something of an unknown
ascii_field: whereas a concentrated energy carrier like, say, a few tonnes of petrol, is a) volatile b) flammable c) easily stolen d) requires finicky engine, with associated maintenance, ditto dynamo
jurov: BingoBoingo: lifetime at least 10y is proben in practice
ascii_field: (diesel is slightly less terrifying with respect to 'a' and 'b' but has same problems)
BingoBoingo: jurov: Then there's ones still running 30 and 60 years out
jurov: so manufacturing the 1m2 piece of silicon needs much more than 8 GJ?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: tricky. there are multiple failure modes, and dead short is one of them
ascii_field: jurov: where do you live where you get 100W for 6h/d
jurov: 8GJ ~ 2 MWh . hard to believe
ascii_field: per m^2
nubbins`: i actually have some moose in my freezer right now
nubbins`: may make sausages over the holidays
ascii_field: and where can i buy a m^2 cell that yields 100W ever
ascii_field: i'd like one.
jurov: well, throw in a better number
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assbot: PVCalc - The Return (ROI) Calculator for PV solar energy investments | PVCalc.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1YihCaU )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160880 @ 0.00048214 = 77.5667 BTC [-] {3}
jurov: 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity
jurov: so it looks about on par
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25376 @ 0.00048529 = 12.3147 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74488 @ 0.00048529 = 36.1483 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:48:04; ascii_field: ' Self-funded development via block subsidy - In order to have an ongoing source of funding for development work, a consensus rule has been added to allocate 10% of each block subsidy to a development organization. This entity is transparent and responsible for funding development work performed by current and new developers so that the project remains sustainable without a funding dependence on outs
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, is how the catholic church was born.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344822 <<< apparently the death of wuille coming so soon after the public rape of gavin and hearn really stung the monkey brain.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:49:21; ascii_field: premining not good enough for these folks ?
mircea_popescu: they gotta matter god dangit! through work!
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 20:50:39; ascii_field: like sov 'privatization' vouchers ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: while mozerfuking sovblok had it
ascii_field: *whole
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344934 << in english lands this is called 'tilt'
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:33:59; mircea_popescu: they gotta matter god dangit! through work!
ascii_field: (among pokerists)
mircea_popescu: not at all. tilt is when you play poorly / too agressively and LOSE YOUR OWN MONEY.
mircea_popescu: poor people by definition can't go on tilt.
ascii_field: well, when you play poorly from rage at having sucked earlier
pete_dushenski: can always borrow someone else's money to go on tilt
pete_dushenski: even tiltier this way
mircea_popescu: anyway, maybe it works this way. in my mind it's very stricrtly related to blowing a roll tho
ascii_field is curious whether 'tilt' usage appeared first in poker or in 'pinball'
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 21:48:15; kakobrekla: im confused, i tell him how they taste like and he prints posters in such taste?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field pinball. the idea there is you can get the machine in a state where it "pays" you for free.
mircea_popescu: hence in poker, you're like a pinball machine on tilt.
pete_dushenski had a pinball machine as a boy
pete_dushenski: 10th bday gift from parents.
pete_dushenski: worked for maybe 2-3 before broke.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344873 << might also be a species issue. there's two kinds, the common strawberry and the tiny one.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 21:50:35; kakobrekla: aha, store bought are like watermelons comparably to wild ones. by size and taste.
mircea_popescu: yea pete_dushenski im sure IT broke :D
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kakobrekla: arent the store bought same as wild but bread for quantity (size) ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344876 << if madonna and cher want to make a blockchain technologies wallet start-up who are you to hate@!
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:01:53; pete_dushenski: fuck the idiots who only post first names on their company directory.
kakobrekla: like grain was made of grass
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah genuinely different species.
pete_dushenski: pinball machine was then sent to only shop in town who could fix ~40 year-old machine, but delivery was same as cost of repair, so parents borrowed pick-up truck, from whence the machine fell off the back and broke, again, on the very. last. corner. to. our. house.
mircea_popescu: fragaria vesca vs fragaria viridis
pete_dushenski: by the time heartbreak healed and we looked around for another repair shop, there were none.
pete_dushenski: i think it's still in storage afaik. 'surfer' theme.
kakobrekla: grain is also different from grass in terms of species, but its a man made difference
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:40:19; mircea_popescu: fragaria vesca vs fragaria viridis
ascii_field implodes
ascii_field: real strawberry is virtually impossible to get here
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla nah, the cultivar is a hybrid, called something like fragaria x or w/e.
pete_dushenski: maybe when i move into house and have the space, pinball machine will make its way back to life. a house like this would suffice : https://www.realtor.ca/Residential/Single-Family/16305474/6-Ruskin-Row-Winnipeg-Manitoba-R3M2R6-Crescentwood#v=d
assbot: 6 Ruskin Row , Winnipeg, Manitoba   R3M2R6 - 1524509 | Realtor.ca ... ( http://bit.ly/1YinbWS )
pete_dushenski: ^only architectural era of house i'd actually BUY.
pete_dushenski: pre-1930
ascii_field lived in a flat made inside one such house long ago
ascii_field: was... interesting
ascii_field: (plumbing was a retrofit! gurgling shitpipes right in the rooms)
pete_dushenski: plumbing has improved considerably.
pete_dushenski: in the last century.
ascii_field: aha but if house did not have it when built, it will be just like so.
ascii_field: very sov feel
ascii_field: to have pipes where you can grab'em
ascii_field: ditto mains wiring & sockets
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344918 << the part he neglects to mention of that discussion is where i said that well, depends if technology improves. and that such investments are always a good idea to date, for this reason alone.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:15:11; jurov: well, throw in a better number
pete_dushenski: exposed radiators as well, i imagine
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: vs what other kind of radiator
mircea_popescu: lol good one
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pete_dushenski: covered !!!
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344923 << can be bought is a bs indicator. obama pays 500 out of 650.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:20:17; jurov: 65W ~1m2 solar panel can be bought for $150, which roughly means 1 MWh of electricity
mircea_popescu: just like tesla "can be bought" for 100k in soviet govt vouchers
mircea_popescu: but the car cost ~1mn worth of turkey dollars to make.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: only to participants in good standing in the mortgage racket
mircea_popescu: not so different from how this works in cuba. yes you can "buy" "mercedes" in cuba, for govt vouchers.
ascii_field: ( i can't go and buy a pv panel with obama paying so much as a cent )
mircea_popescu: that doesn't mean much.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yea well... go to the party night meetings more often, comrade.
mircea_popescu: maybe they'd give you black sea tickets too.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: http://p-fst1.pixstatic.com/506a33a6d9127e30fc001273._w.540_s.fit_.jpg << what i had in mind as 'covered' radiator
ascii_field: when i think about what something costs to buy, i think 'with money' rather than 'with Hero Mother Award vouchers from zimbabwestan'
mircea_popescu: incidentally ascii_field what's your take on petliura ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the fella who ran on liquid jew ?
ascii_field: aha him
ascii_field: colourful character.
mircea_popescu: but colorful enough to support the notion of a bona fide ukr nation ?
ascii_field: ukr nation is sitting right there, for whoever wants
ascii_field: about the same cultural weight as zimbabwe, and for very similar reason
ascii_field: but here it is, on the map..
mircea_popescu: this notion extends to the poles ?
ascii_field: the poles had an actual culture.
ascii_field: with items like own literature, period of empire, scholarship, military wins
mircea_popescu: well... you mean as part of the commonwealth or somehow before ?
mircea_popescu: so the trashing pilsudski administered to the oh so clever & brave bolsheviks doesn't count for the ukrs ?
ascii_field: mainly as part of rzeczpospolita
ascii_field: p. was a pole
ascii_field: it counts! for the poles.
mircea_popescu: well yes, but the maneuvers were a joint thing with the ukrainiansa
ascii_field: phun phakt - 'u kraina' == 'on the fringes'
mircea_popescu: afaik, the ukrs were actually the only people who had jews in govt etc after the ww1.
ascii_field: poor schmucks were on the fringes. it wasn't sweet, no. had all kinds of misadventures.
mircea_popescu: mmm. you know they invented russian-ness right ?
ascii_field: esp. after anglos (brit first, then modern usg) had the brilliant idea of nurturing a counter-ru bantustan there
mircea_popescu: kiev came first ; moscow a distant 2nd
ascii_field: most of planet knows this i think
ascii_field: (except it was 'they' in the sense where 'man descended from monkey')
assbot: Lejitz comments on "In a $6.6B economy, it is criminal to let the Service undergo an ECE without warning users loudly, months in advance" - Jeff Garzik ... ( http://bit.ly/1T2q2fV )
mircea_popescu: is this where we know what "ece" is supposed to be ?
mircea_popescu: "oh look at me, i'm so erudite" derp.
BingoBoingo: Of course
ascii_field: wtf does it mean
BingoBoingo: It mean "I invent terms because PoMo"
mircea_popescu: wtf oh it's just AGW for a DDL when theres MoLE aFOOT
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 22:49:14; pete_dushenski: ascii_field: http://p-fst1.pixstatic.com/506a33a6d9127e30fc001273._w.540_s.fit_.jpg << what i had in mind as 'covered' radiator
ascii_field: you can't dry a shirt on that
ascii_field: nor chain up anybody
ascii_field: cat will not sit
ascii_field: what's it good for.
pete_dushenski: lol it's exactly what i have in my place. same as i had in last place too. and place before that!
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: is there even radiator in there
ascii_field: or just resistance coil
BingoBoingo: "electric"
pete_dushenski: nah. water.
pete_dushenski: thus constant warnings not to leave patio doors open in winter, lest pipes freeze and asplode.
pete_dushenski: twas a thing in the 70s around here.
pete_dushenski: *a design thing
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BingoBoingo: "James Bond kills for the global Anglo-American bankocracy, whose most loyal thugs have been, and will be, members of our world-wide underclass, who might best be trusted with heaping injustice upon those above them and below their masters who might oppose the global good. " >> http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3461
assbot: JL: ‘Your Opinion on A Black James Bond?’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1YitKIX )
BingoBoingo: !up ComplaintsDept
punkman: assbot: Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification << how's that even gonna work
assbot: Candy Japan 2015 Year in Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1YiwfLx )
punkman: "I played cat-and-mouse with the fraudsters for a bit, adding various checks such as e-mail confirmation, IP bans etc. but it only took hours for the criminals to adapt to these. Eventually I just ragequit and switched off credit cards, going back to PayPal-only."
punkman: if only one of the paypal wannabes could accept credit and pay out in bitcoin
pete_dushenski: "Hard forking changes require that ultimately every participant in the system adopts the new rules. I find it immoral and dangerous to merge such a change without extremely widespread agreement. I am personally fine with a short-term small block size bump to kick the can down the road if that is what the ecosystem desires, but I can only agree with merging it in Core if I'm convinced that there is no strong oppositio
pete_dushenski: it from others." ~wuille
pete_dushenski: what could be a more convincing opposition than a death warrant, one wonders.
pete_dushenski: though, yes, wuille only proposed 'soft fork', he clearly knows full well what he's up against.
BingoBoingo: Well he still pushes jim crow as "uncontroversial"
pete_dushenski: he's still dumb enough to think that he can squeek through this affair unscathed, but my god he's an oily eel.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: just like jim crow was in southern states ! "no one in this room doesn't agree!"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Related https://i.sli.mg/iNn80i.png
BingoBoingo: Still more related: "I had the exact same problem with medium leggings - I'm 5'10" and 138lbs. 34-25-38 and should be a medium. When I got the leggings there was no tag indication front or back so I tried them on both ways. A large baggy pocket ballooned out in the front either way. A FUPA pouch? I cant wear them because they wont stay up, even with my bootie. :( Fat people privilege is being able to wear clothing front or back be
BingoBoingo: cause you body is shaped like a stack of tires."
punkman: lol
assbot: Does AMP Counter an Existential Threat to Google? - High Scalability - ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9e9G2 )
punkman: can't make lightweight html pages, gotta do stupid shit instead
punkman: Detritus R Us
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345095 << very lulzy. at last, 'embrace & extinguish' for html...
asciilifeform: 'That Google approves the javascript in AMP is a tradeoff. You want the javascript to be minified, secure, compact, and standardized. But you also want new things in AMP and there’s an open process for that.' <<< ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: gotta love how this bomb is buried halfway into the turdocument
punkman: yeah and js disabled means empty page, aka the blogspot experience
asciilifeform: naturally
asciilifeform: how else to deal with t3rr0r1stz who refuse to load ad crud
punkman: I'll have to write a userscript to render with js disabled
punkman: (ironic?)
assbot: Autumn- A Night In June (1982) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9g51h )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1345071 << how the fuck is the 'segregated' nonsense ~not~ a hardfork ?
punkman: someone figured out it can be a "softfork", just don't send witness part to old nodez!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "softfork" uses "anyone can spend" non-sense
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: "soft" literally in the sense old nodes verify blocks and absolutely not a thing else.
punkman: and that someone was Luke-Jr
punkman: just ftr
punkman: "This seemed like a hard problem. I personally dismissed this as a solution for a long time as something non-viable, until Luke-Jr discovered that it's possible to do this as a soft-fork. What we're going to do is inputs, we just deprecate the signature field inside of inputs. It's going to be an empty string from now on. Obviously, an empty signature is not going to be able to spend an
punkman: actual output that requires a signature. Instead, the outputs do not push these scripts that we required to be satisfied, they would be encapsulated, it would be pushed as a piece of data. This allows us to, this effectively to every node, and every node not using this system, it's an ANYONECANSPEND. It's just an output that pushes data on the stack, the output doesn't do anything else.
punkman: It's ANYONECANSPEND. In a soft-fork, we can add a new rule that restricts what's valid. We can add a rule like, whenever we see, we could say it's a new type of script that is able to instead of updating its inputs from the signature field, it takes it from the witness instead. The witness becomes a third part of the transaction in addition to the inputs and outputs of a transaction. For
punkman: now it would only contain a signature."
asciilifeform: if 'ANYONECANSPEND', what exactly prevents an uncastrated node from... spending it ?
punkman: asciilifeform: it will only look like one
trinque: lets drown this motherfucker in complexity then carve our names into the corpse. I'm told this is what glory is.
asciilifeform: in other, not quite unrelated nyooz, the number of detectable nodez in the wild has been steadily dropping
asciilifeform: (if i had to guess why - the extinction of hearn's riverz-of-meat crud)
ben_vulpes: Jesse,
ben_vulpes: Thank you for stopping by and meeting the team—we had a blast and hope you did as well.
ben_vulpes: A huge part of the work that we do while building software is cultivating beautiful little trees of commits with Git. To that end, we want to resolve a concern on our end about getting you up to speed on our favorite version-controlatron (Git), and so we cooked up two exercises for you to work through over the next few weeks (see attached).
ben_vulpes: We're looking for a really nice commit and merging history, so feel free to trash your working copies aggressively in pursuit of a nice finished product.
ben_vulpes: Please reach out to me with any technical questions you have, any questions about how Git works or how to use it, or to review your progress and provide feedback. We take pairing and education seriously here, and are very happy to extend this support to you during this exercise.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1345078 << rather simply, currently they're raping the producers by taking their dollars in exchange for ~9 pesos each. meanwhile the open market rate for the dollar is about 15 pesos.
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 23:25:11; punkman: assbot: Government announces end of currency controls, exchange rate unification << how's that even gonna work
ben_vulpes: Should you demonstrate speed of self-education, willingness to reach out for support if you need it, and the ability and willingness to cultivate your own beautiful little commit-trees, we'll offer you a contracting position paying $30/hr. This rate affords us the luxury of budgeting training and study time for you. Our hope is that as you build familiarity with the ecosystems and projects, that you'll demonstrate productivity, mesh
ben_vulpes: well with the team, and (should we extend an offer to transition from contractor to employee) ascend our internal talent ladder.
ben_vulpes: If the notion appeals, let me know that you're game. It would be fantastic to get the git exercise wrapped up by Jan 1, and yourself into the office as soon as you can make it after your return from Indiana.
ben_vulpes: Yours,
mircea_popescu: if they take off currency controls, it's going to go to a 10 or something and that's that.
asciilifeform: bahahawaaat
mircea_popescu: ;;later ben_vulpes you gotta learn how to use this buffer thing.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "ben_vulpes" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice he uses -tron now. prolly should charge ip.
asciilifeform: l0l do we want to know what other atrocities i'm responsible for
asciilifeform had a chat with a very old and long-ago last seen phriend, who threatened to use asciilifeformisms in a linguistics phd thesis
ben_vulpes: jesus.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is there the luxury of us educating you on matters of security in that ?
asciilifeform: aaaha that could've been the launch codes ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344551 << first there is a faux test to set the bar low
assbot: Logged on 16-12-2015 17:37:28; ascii_field: possibly an actuarial sort of gambit.
mircea_popescu: see what webstack does to you ?
mircea_popescu: this sort of thing is what made phantomcircuit derp famous.
punkman: clients should not auto-post when you paste, gives you a chance to abort
asciilifeform: punkman: there were line feeds in there
punkman: still
asciilifeform: live by 'unix philosophy', die by same
punkman: no thanks :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's trivial to have it set up properly. looky here : 1
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0HC01KB.txt )
mircea_popescu: contained \n, only went once i pressed enter at the end.
asciilifeform: see, mine does same
asciilifeform: but that's because my client is an x11 proggy
asciilifeform: and gets 'enter' key out of band
mod6: irssi saves
asciilifeform: thinkaboutit
mircea_popescu: actually displays it as 1\n2\n3 etc
asciilifeform: aha same
asciilifeform: and doesn't fire until key hit
asciilifeform: but you can't do this in a console proggy
asciilifeform: because yoooooooneeexfilosofyyy!!
mircea_popescu: why not ? just \\n
asciilifeform: and if that's in the paste ?
mircea_popescu: then it gets displayed with one slash extra i guess.
asciilifeform: not how paste works in console
mircea_popescu: that may be, but i dun think it's a philosophy matter.
asciilifeform: it's an in-band signalling sucks! matter.
asciilifeform: just like the ill-fated turdatron
mircea_popescu: all signalling happens ultimately in band.
trinque: I don't use erc, but apparently there's erc-accidental-paste-threshold-seconds
asciilifeform: 'ultimately' all signalling is electroweak force, what of it
mircea_popescu: i'm actually willing to bet that his buffer sat there quietly, only flew once he hit enter.
asciilifeform: nobody gives half a dead rat re: ultimatelies.
trinque closes his laptop obediently, told planes can't land otherwise.
asciilifeform boggles mind at the starvation wages ben_vulpes pays his hirelings
mircea_popescu: 30 an hour ? it's scandalous. who the fuck pays code monkeys over minimum wage ?!
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, the chicks should bag groceries and make ~10.5 and the dudes should dfick around with javascript and make more than 9 ?!
mircea_popescu: bitches gotta stand for the whole day, yo! and get hit on by all the losers too!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i think if he pays less he will have to keep them chained in own house
asciilifeform: 30 is prolly the threshold for having them ambulatory, 'outpatient'
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why and wherefore brogramer gets to make minimum wage. seriously now.
mircea_popescu: he gets the same the lawnmowing 12 yos get.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you think you can find any full hour of "work" on say github actually justifiably worth minimum wage ?
asciilifeform: actually yes.
assbot: asciilifeform (Stanislav Datskovskiy) · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NqyrZ3 )
asciilifeform: there's maybe even 2 hour in there!
mircea_popescu: this is cheating.
asciilifeform: ajhajaaa l0l
asciilifeform: hey if mircea_popescu got to have a twatter
mircea_popescu: are you going to argue to the merits or just gonna keep trying to squeak by on technicalities ?
asciilifeform: but srsly, he's stuck paying them in actual money unless he wants to house'em.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, they're not worth actually paying money.
asciilifeform: (unless ok with india, but then doesn't get to enjoy chair parade)
asciilifeform: why even employ human compilers, is a question not for me but for ben_vulpes et al.
asciilifeform does not use'em for anything, will not even tolerate in same room
asciilifeform: lulzily, at a job interview i was actually asked to ~compile a c proggy by hand on paper
asciilifeform: 'for cpu arch of your choosing'
mircea_popescu: as what, llvm ?
asciilifeform: i picked amd64
asciilifeform: and this was by far the most trivial problem in the binder
asciilifeform: everything else was a pretty good olympiad puzzler
asciilifeform: of the 'identify which line makes this .c exploitable, and write the exploit here'
punkman: in the interests of working with less wotless derps in 2016: You can rent punkman for $30/hr (can even get discounts if I like you), can operate git per your style guides, can't compile C with pen and paper.
mircea_popescu: curious how this'll work out.
mircea_popescu: !rated punkman
assbot: You rated user punkman on 27-Nov-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Hangs around in #b-a.
mircea_popescu: provided of course ben manages to not get himself fired from his own company over the buffer incident :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, one time i separated 863 teenaged females into 10 groups of 5 tons each within a 1% tolerance. the process consisted of me walking through the group and pointing. to my advantgage, they were lightly dressed. to my disadvantage it was night time.
punkman: for plane/boat/rollercoaster ride?
mircea_popescu: something like that.
punkman: btw, super interested in Eulora map generator project, but c++ just makes me sad++
mircea_popescu: problem is the whole stack is in c++ and i'm not about to manage language interfaces.
mircea_popescu: but if you want to rewrite cs in lisp...
mircea_popescu: o wait, we can't run lisp irl.
punkman: should I be looking at cs2.0 docs?
mircea_popescu: nah there's a magical version frozen in time
mircea_popescu: download the game, see in the deps.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: familiar with old game 'abuse' ?
assbot: Abuse - Lisp Games Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1TR5Bm8 )
mircea_popescu: notrly my thing
asciilifeform: now to be fair this was not commonlisp but a miniature thing created just for the game
mircea_popescu: i was into high fantasy. really, still am, da fuck with all the sci fi crap
asciilifeform: more like elisp.
asciilifeform: this was a straight arcade game
asciilifeform: scroller.
asciilifeform: punkman: what do you do ?
assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 02:03:42; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform tell you what, one time i separated 863 teenaged females into 10 groups of 5 tons each within a 1% tolerance. the process consisted of me walking through the group and pointing. to my advantgage, they were lightly dressed. to my disadvantage it was night time.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-12-2015#1345228 << i recently realized with horror that most of my dead tree library concerning programming is about cpp
assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 02:11:29; punkman: btw, super interested in Eulora map generator project, but c++ just makes me sad++
asciilifeform: (fine points and exquisite abuses thereof)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform since you've decided to discuss magic for some reason. as if THAT's what random derp making 30 an hour in portland is all about.
mircea_popescu: he's gonna turn lead to cunt juice and animate pubic hairballs.
asciilifeform: actually i'd love to know what that fella's job is
asciilifeform: perhaps ben_vulpes will do another paste oops and we'll find out moar
asciilifeform searches logz for own 'oopsen'
asciilifeform: iirc i dropped in a page of asm once
asciilifeform: but i forget.
asciilifeform: one time i threw in what must've been a whole b00k and then penaltykick
asciilifeform: a few yrs back
mircea_popescu: ie last week.
asciilifeform: was thinking of the time i dropped a btc into the piggy
asciilifeform: speaking of cpp, alexandrescu's b00kz are spiffy
asciilifeform: a noteworthy fella from ro other than mircea_popescu ! even
mircea_popescu: there are numerous romanian coder fellows from the ro.
asciilifeform: http://erdani.com << ha, looks like he has a site.
assbot: Andrei Alexandrescu ... ( http://bit.ly/1RpLRZc )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha but how many in my library.
mircea_popescu: well that i dunno.
asciilifeform: ftp://ftp.sbin.org/pub/doc/books/Addison_Wesley_-_Modern_C++_Design_Generic_Programming_and_Design_Patterns_Applied_Ebook-fly.pdf << l3337 w4r3z !!11
asciilifeform: ^ jurov might enjoy
asciilifeform: phun phakt:
asciilifeform: c permits negative array indices.
asciilifeform: ( aaand if you know why, you're prolly as ready for the glue factory as i am... )
punkman: asciilifeform: actually i'd love to know what that fella's job is << I do contract webwork, dataplumbing, (G)UIs, etc as it comes but it's a hassle dealing with derpclients. I also dabble in selling physical/digital products and maybe with some renewed effort and a few good people I'll make some shit stick. I don't really aspire to having a job.
asciilifeform: punkman: neato. i can't picture a time or place where you'd be out of wurk
asciilifeform: in other nyoooz,
assbot: Back to 28: Grub2 Authentication Bypass 0-Day ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ym7R6t )
asciilifeform: 'A vulnerability in Grub2 has been found. Versions from 1.98 (December, 2009) to 2.02 (December, 2015) are affected. The vulnerability can be exploited under certain circumstances, allowing local attackers to bypass any kind of authentication (plain or hashed passwords). And so, the attacker may take control of the computer.'
asciilifeform: not all that interesting to a literate person, considering how it involves the 'can walk away with the machine' sort of enemy
asciilifeform: but illustrative of the 'open sores' thing in general.
asciilifeform: actually the above is conventional wisdom but might well be false:
asciilifeform: consider this:
asciilifeform: networked 'kvm' gadget is ubiquitous.
asciilifeform: and can cycle mains power
asciilifeform: what does enemy then see? grub...
asciilifeform: and from this we learn MOTHERFUCKERS why dulap cycled mains...
asciilifeform: NOTE how grub2 (specifically!) is the affected ver
asciilifeform: i.e. the shitgnomatic grub
asciilifeform: that comes with ALL mainstream linuxen
mircea_popescu: aww shit mod6 only now i saw your whisper. listen, youj gotta talk to me here or in #eulora, i dun much read the ingame chat.
mircea_popescu: too much craft spam you know ?
mod6: ah
mod6: np
deedbot-: [Trilema] Be Cool, or the multilayered cake of things I don't give a shit about. - http://trilema.com/2015/be-cool-or-the-multilayered-cake-of-things-i-dont-give-a-shit-about/
assbot: Be Cool, or the multilayered cake of things I don't give a shit about. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1P8iBmv )
asciilifeform: 'Strictly the only difference between Argentina and Soviet Romania isn't that the Argentines "did it to themselves" while the Russkis did it to the poor Romanians (always there guarding the West from the barbarians so the French could build their cathedrals bla bla)' << l0l
asciilifeform: they didn't do it, they just fell down and the cock went in
asciilifeform: '...Just as long as the factories kept going up, it made no difference whatsoever they'd work for a different set of people than the set building them.... You know, "abstract principles" such as the notion that if you take half a million tons of grain's worth of labour out of some people to do something, that something they do at your behest will return them at the very least half a million tons of grain so they don't fucking
asciilifeform: starve.' << how does this differ from mircea_popescu's classical prescription 'go shoot a policeman' ?
asciilifeform: i see no particular diff b/w this and 'die for the motherland to build bright komyooonist fyootoor'
asciilifeform: obligatory, 'i won't want to achieve immortality through my work; i want to achieve immortality through not dying' (woody allen)
asciilifeform: meanwhile, from the ministry of idiocy, https://www.google.com/trends/story/2015_US
BingoBoingo: Ah, glorious blank page
BingoBoingo: Radsuit still wurkz
assbot: Концерт ансамбля "Моранбон" по случаю 81-летия КНА (25.04.13). - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QqTlv3 )
nubbins`: the dress
nubbins`: the world doubts its eyes
BingoBoingo: "Interestingly, according to a recent Quora post by Code.org CEO Hadi Partovi, plans to have President Obama 'learn to code' a year earlier were torpedoed by the Healthcare.gov debacle. "We launched the first Hour of Code campaign, in 2013," explains Partovi. "We launched the first Hour of Code on the home page of Google, in every Apple Store, and we had convinced the President to issue a speech about computer science. But it was
BingoBoingo: impossible to get the president to actually write any code that year — the administration had just launched its Healthcare.gov website, and after the infamous technical failures, nobody wanted the visual of website failing while the President is learning to code.""
asciilifeform: i prolly ought to have translated, it was a concert in honour of 81st anniversary of the korean people's army
asciilifeform: (nk where else)
asciilifeform: the REAL kr.
asciilifeform: one of the very few remaining sovereign nations on planet3
asciilifeform: possibly the only one.
asciilifeform: possibly even mircea_popescu-proof.
nubbins`: polident makes kimchi containers smell like mint kimchi
asciilifeform: wats polident
nubbins`: denture cleaner
nubbins`: good at removing food stains/odors from plastic
asciilifeform: nubbins`: didja ever go to nk? or only to the nato muppet kr ?
nubbins`: i visited the dmz
nubbins`: 3-4 feet into nk is as far as they let you
nubbins`: had a friend who visited "for real". seoul->beijing->pyongyang
asciilifeform: anyway the nk to go to is prolly the pre-1980 one. which is approx. when the 'internashinal komyoooooniti' blockade started turning it into what it is now.
kakobrekla: had? had he not returned?
nubbins`: not from sk, at least
asciilifeform: in the old dayz, nk was ~the~ industrial korea
asciilifeform: and south k was a pisshole
nubbins` had another friend who is now major-label rock star in sk o.O
asciilifeform: slovakia?
nubbins`: secondbest korea
asciilifeform: nk was a successful exporter of heavy machinery prior to usg proclaiming it excommunicated and anyone trading with it likewise excommunicated from the mother church
asciilifeform: as a zone of genuine absence of lizard hitler in all of his manifestations, it was proclaimed 'must die' long ago.
nubbins` visited seekrit tunnels that nk had dug towards seoul
asciilifeform: incidentally, do you know why nk survived the destruction of su ?
nubbins`: every now and then they find another one
asciilifeform: because it's a motherfucking ETHNOSTATE
asciilifeform: y'know, the kind of thing the lizards fought ww2 to exterminate
assbot: Han (cultural) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZdgiTP )
asciilifeform subscribes !
asciilifeform: 'Han denotes a collective feeling of oppression and isolation in the face of insurmountable odds (the overcoming of which is beyond the nation's capabilities on its own). It connotes aspects of lament and unavenged injustice.'
asciilifeform: mega-w0rd.
nubbins`: this so succinctly matches my experience
nubbins`: heavy han in sk
nubbins`: "korea" in korean: hanguk
nubbins`: shortened from daehan minguk, people's nation of great han
nubbins`: dwell on that for a while
asciilifeform mega-mental-hardon for this
asciilifeform: 'Han is sorrow caused by heavy suffering, injustice or persecution, a dull lingering ache in the soul. It is a blend of lifelong sorrow and resentment, neither more powerful than the other. Han is imbued with resignation, bitter acceptance and a grim determination to wait until vengeance can at last be achieved.'
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