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punkman: https://i.imgur.com/SmpAlZ8.jpg << every website should use these "Male, But Overweight, So Have Moobs" "Born a male, bad circumcision, raised female"
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.49980000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47341 @ 0.0005016 = 23.7462 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23750 @ 0.00050787 = 12.0619 BTC [+] {3}
punkman: @freenodestaff We are again experiencing connectivity problems to some servers due to DDoS attacks. Please bear with us while we ride it out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17281 @ 0.00050461 = 8.7202 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28546 @ 0.00050805 = 14.5028 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00050461 = 14.5328 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38850 @ 0.00050126 = 19.474 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48096 @ 0.00050812 = 24.4385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1982 @ 0.00050879 = 1.0084 BTC [+]
assbot: Police plants own computers in Freenet, log IPs, makes arrest | Hacker 10 – Security Hacker ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyneJb )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26156 @ 0.00050879 = 13.3079 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu doesn't remember which group of snakeoil salesmen were pushing "freenet".
mircea_popescu: in other news, "files included in a list of known child porn file hashes from the police database", seriously ?
mircea_popescu: this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ?
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 04:57:01; mircea_popescu: da fuck it's qntra.net not circumlocutory-phraseology.website-name
BingoBoingo: From comments on linked page: "It is certainly telling that despite close to 200 comments on the two articles on the MTStandard that address this change, Mr. McCumber has not engaged with the commenting community, nor has he taken questions from those posted and addressed them."
mircea_popescu: the "commenting community" is basically a fabrication. he'll "engage" it when it's the usg's own indians doing it and then only.
BingoBoingo: Sure, just amazing how much retardation accretes on every side of derpdom
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45400 @ 0.00050879 = 23.0991 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 360.01, Best ask: 360.17, Bid-ask spread: 0.16000, Last trade: 360.2, 24 hour volume: 44791.1190569, 24 hour low: 343.02, 24 hour high: 367.0, 24 hour vwap: None
adlai: volume has gone negative in china; vwap ceases to be a thing
BingoBoingo now REALLY feeling like this is fall 2012 all over again
BingoBoingo: Just like 2012, china was a thing beyond Asicminer derping about shares
BingoBoingo: *wasn't a thing
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 359.88, vol: 16441.97519367 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 349.985, vol: 16606.57364 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 360.02, vol: 44654.80891705 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 345.01, vol: 3.25111645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 360.332457, vol: 91406.01980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 360.70977, vol: 103.14388238 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 360.264, vol: 122.36772408 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 359.191266508
mircea_popescu: best show on earth huh BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Bitcoin is great entertainment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00050878 = 1.8825 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25850 @ 0.00050531 = 13.0623 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !UP jurov
jurov: hi
jurov: seems my bouncer was hanging on holmes.freenode.net alone for half a day
jurov: i came and noone was there on any chan
mircea_popescu: i was kinda alone for half hour yest while assbot and everyhone deserted the chan
BingoBoingo: Seems there is ddos
felipelalli: guys of Qntra.net, have you seen that? https://lifars.com/2015/11/4973/
felipelalli: where is the "hide my ass"?
felipelalli: I have to go, see you my Oracle!
trinque: speaking of which, why the hell is deedbot gone again
trinque: some days, fleanode...
mircea_popescu: you can always write it up felipelalli
felipelalli: mircea_popescu, Thank you for encouraging! But I feel I have read / study more the logs before feel comfortable to write to Qntra. Qntra.net is like my oracle!
felipelalli: *I have = I have to have to...
mircea_popescu: so go for it.
mircea_popescu: this is teh republic, if you don't do it it ain't getting done. we've neither a legion of mindless drones to "do" stuff badly nor a printing press to devalue everyone's ownership to "pay" for that "work".
jurov: felipelalli: worst what can happen is.... someone will tell you something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00050531 = 6.1941 BTC [-]
assbot: North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1OvCyDn )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3131 @ 0.00050057 = 1.5673 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29319 @ 0.00049791 = 14.5982 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: mod6, asciilifeform, thestringpuller: can you please enlighten me how does boost affect mapTransactions and its clear() function? i'm reading the code and don't see it
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
deedbot-: [Qntra] Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large - http://qntra.net/2015/11/breaking-suspected-lone-gunman-wounds-3-colorado-police-officers-still-at-large/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40950 @ 0.00050418 = 20.6462 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.0005052 = 6.7192 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: BingoBoingo: deedbot- already did it
BingoBoingo: jurov: deedbot- didn't get the title update.
jurov: oh corpses were updated
BingoBoingo: Well, not confirmed courpses yet. Local news has stopped referring to the officers though as "wounded" and has transitioned to "shot" to describe their condition
trinque: damn christians wont get uppity about anything other than than abortions.
phf: jurov: so original interpretation was that mapTransactions.clear(); doesn't deallocate individual instances (i.e. boost doesn't do the right thing), attempting to iterate over mapTransactions and do explicit del on instances results in crash. so the new assumption was that mapTransactions instances are somehow used elsewhere. i don't think there's much else insight on the subject
BingoBoingo: trinque: Could be just angry over political health clinic spam
trinque: lol
trinque: poor guy's @aol.com overfloweth
jurov: phf but it's std::map not some boostism
jurov: are you telling me boost modifiest std:: stuff behavior?
phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status
phf: jurov: the overal goal though is to flush the mempool, but simply measuring the memory between zapmempool shows that the patch specifically doesn't do it. there's either additional source of leak, or there's a leak in mempool, or, and that's the most likely case, the patch in question doesn't touch al lthe places where mempool has data
jurov: ikr? but i'd like to see some closer dissection. like, how did you determine clear() does not work
jurov: i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called
phf: jurov: clear not working is my broken telephone of that ascii was saying in the logs. i've only gotten as far as making sure that the code ~seems~ to be working, hence my conclusion, which is that mempool is somehow not just mapTransactions & mapNextTx
phf: but for all i know there's all kinds of other sources of leak. the general idea is that btcd without mempool memory use should stay constant when the blockchain is not growing. any kind of memory growth is from mempool adding more transactions. so it stands to reason that a fully working zapmempool should always bring btcd back to some baseline number, but that's not happening.
phf: last conversation on the subject was mp saying basically, people are welcome to investigate and plug that hole
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26152 @ 0.0005052 = 13.212 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00050723 = 7.4816 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44932 @ 0.0005095 = 22.8929 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24468 @ 0.00051032 = 12.4865 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too...
phf: jurov: can paste file:line for those?
jurov: just grep "static map" and "static set" yourself
phf: kk
jurov: O.o how is it possible to have static variable inside if statement?
phf: jurov: by the way, in addition to static things, there's also top level globals
jurov: you see. if i knew why alf narrowed the problem so, would help me much
phf: what you mean by "narrowed the problem so"? you mean boost, or "zapmempool to baseline", or?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8421 @ 0.00051202 = 4.3117 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 14:32:04; asciilifeform: thestringpuller: this patch does not work as described, on account of boost idiocy (removal of items from the hash does not invoke their destructures! believe)
jurov: i mean both, generally
jurov: !up ascii_field
jurov: hello
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 23:02:04; jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-08-2015#1243808 i mean this
phf: jurov: the goal is to get bitcoind working with pogo's limited memory. the problem is that a running bitcoind grows in memory use as a result of normal operations. we know that some processes claim a lot of memory by design, like mempool, so first step is to get a reliable way of cleaning out mempool. ascii wrote that patch, but discovered that in practice zapmempool doesn't reduce memory use.
ascii_field: every tx received eats a measurable qty of ram which is NEVER reclaimed
jurov: phf i know!
ascii_field: in sept. i did an experiment (can't recall if i bothered to explain it here) where i forced the cblock crapola to deallocate, in the correct way (without using an iterator)
ascii_field: this results in fiery crash
ascii_field: because the data structure appears to be an interdependent ball of shit
ascii_field: (there is not a safe way to forget a tx)
jurov: yes just reproduced it - the destructors are not called when map is cleared
ascii_field: now if you feel like it, reproduce this other thing i did
ascii_field: and yes, jurov was right re: it being a std:: crapolade, rather than boost
phf: jurov: i thought you said that it did get called? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332468
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 22:01:15; jurov: i just added CTransaction destructor with debug print, and it is called
ascii_field: i tend to associate them in my head, both are of the heathens
jurov: phf yes but that were stack operations. i then filtered them
phf: jurov: ah k
jurov: and how does the map know there are outstanding references?
ascii_field: phf: the goal of 'zapmempool' was to prove that mempool accounts for all of the bloat other than what is accounted for by the 300bytes/block eternal index (another idiocy which will prevent pogoization unless a massive mechanism is rewritten beyond recognition)
ascii_field: it did not work.
ascii_field: jurov: outstanding references ?
jurov: or why does it not destroys the transactions
ascii_field: clear doesn't invoke destructors
ascii_field: just nukes the map
ascii_field: but if you do invoke the destructors (as i later did) - you crash.
jurov: http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/map/map/clear/ "Removes all elements from the map container (which are destroyed), leaving the container with a size of 0"
assbot: map::clear - C++ Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1PSOYs4 )
ascii_field: the CONTAINER
ascii_field: of size 0
ascii_field: the ELEMENTS of the map are destroyed
ascii_field: that is to say, the key-value pairs
ascii_field: not the objects point to by the values.
phf: there's this CTransaction::RemoveFromMemoryPool, anybody tried calling that in a loop?
phf: ah and that does the crash?
phf: kk
ascii_field: go, try.
ascii_field: this is a 10 minute experiment.
ascii_field: incidentally it isn't a locking bug either
ascii_field: i did try locking the removal
ascii_field: the whole thing is an epic turd and my desire to ever work with it again borders on zero
ascii_field: my original purpose for asking nubbins for The Book, if anyone remembers, was so that i could rewrite.
ascii_field: not so i could sit in a manhole while a cement mixer pours liquid shit in
ascii_field: but if other folks want to take their turn in the manhole - sure, why not...
ascii_field: jurov, phf: i recommend getting that patch of mine which lets you request EXACT bytes of heap used total at ANY TIME
ascii_field: i forget the name, it is not in the vpatch megacanon
jurov: CInPoint refers to CTransaction, thus mapNextTx should be erased before mapTransactions
ascii_field: but is sadly lying around somewhere deep in the ml archive
jurov: the jettison patch had it the other way
ascii_field: jurov: didja try this ?
jurov: did you? i'm still putting it all together
ascii_field: iirc (i don't have the box here) i invoked RemoveFromMemoryPool
ascii_field: in my last experiment
jurov: yes, but was mapNextTx deallocated at that time?
ascii_field: btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/main.cpp#0514
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 16:39:23; mircea_popescu: this insanity is STILL with us, still "works" ?
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332394 << 'freenet' is the ORIGINAL 'tor' - usg honeynet
ascii_field: the 'phirst, biggest!!1, best!'
phf: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332373 << this kind of thing is about usg getting ~stronger~
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 03:49:58; deedbot-: [Qntra] North Carolina State Troopers On Food Stamps - http://qntra.net/2015/11/north-carolina-state-troopers-on-food-stamps/
ascii_field: usg has been trying to phase out the 'states' thing since lincoln.
ascii_field: !s gendarmerie
assbot: 24 results for 'gendarmerie' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gendarmerie
ascii_field: ^ part of this, but certainly not all
punkman: freenet design makes a lot more sense than tor
punkman: who knows what horrors lie in its source code though
ascii_field: it was a 'fortress built to fall'
ascii_field: punkman: what about it makes more sense ?
punkman: ascii_field: static content for example
ascii_field: borderline-unreadable shit soup like every single other 'open sores;
punkman: also the whole freenet wot dimension, you don't have to connect to assholes iirc
trinque: wtf
assbot: [BTC-dev] (EXPERIMENTAL) IgProf Hooks Apparatus ! ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6it9 )
assbot: [BTC-dev] Here is a 'blkcut' utility. Cuts or counts. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LE6nx5 )
mod6: ah, nm
mod6: if you get that igprof patch working jurov, let me know.
ascii_field: jurov: aha
mod6: i think mine compiled ok with it.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 385653 | Current Difficulty: 7.272278064254718E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 387071 | Next Difficulty In: 1418 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 47 minutes, and 10 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332451 << bonus points if it turns out lone gunman was reading the logs ?
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 21:46:14; assbot: Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 4) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK )
jurov: !up lonegunman
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 20:20:07; thestringpuller: ;;later tell asciilifeform is it legit?
ascii_field: i am always astonished when folks ask question like this
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 21:57:56; phf: jurov: you know how it is here, there's one small problem, gets elevated to shitgnomes in all the things!!1 status
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 22:46:25; jurov: just found there are several static maps and sets tucked in misc functions, too...
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1221/federal-reserve-will-raise-interest-rate-at-december/#b23
mircea_popescu: the usage of statics in that pile is still not understood [in its implications]. stands as a major sore point to this very day, six years later.
ascii_field: where ~isn't~ the sore point
jurov: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: yeah, one of these days we'll make a sore point list of things, as a necessary [early] step towards printable btc.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, im not equal to that task today
jurov: wart on wart
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-11-2015#1332526 << for the record/future and as best practice : mod6's style of doing these, with pastes etc is much better, because it allows later effort to build upon previous effort. deedbot- is also not a bad venue to store this sort of thing, seeing how it's just code atm. "when i do so and so this is the bt resultant".
assbot: Logged on 27-11-2015 23:20:05; ascii_field: yes.
ascii_field: even far more modest goal like 'doesn't consume infinite ram' is far beyond reach.
mircea_popescu: a nude yes is guaranteed to miss things.
jurov: igprof won't work with stator, i guess?
mircea_popescu: i never tried.
ascii_field: at one point i considered bolting on stroustrup's 'smart pointers' thing but gave up in disgust
mircea_popescu: anyway, point remains, if someone [such as jurov] decides to spend a day on this he should have to use as little as possible hunting the history as that leaves as much as possible to actually doing work.
ascii_field: jurov: absolutely works
ascii_field: jurov: gotta compile in the hooks
ascii_field: actually the only reason i logged on presently was to help jurov
jurov: the patch adds -l dl to LIBS
ascii_field: because there is actually not a good record of the last thing i did
mircea_popescu: yeah, we kinda lack a process for this.
ascii_field: jurov: i don't recall now if there was any actual reason it had to run with dynamic libc
ascii_field: consult the docs
ascii_field: the process used to be me elaborately chronicling my travails on the ml
ascii_field: but right now there is not a process, no.
mircea_popescu: !up CheckDavid
CheckDavid: thanks mircea_popescu
CheckDavid: So Gyft has a 25% discount on giftcards? How can one take good advantage of the offer?
CheckDavid: ANy ideas from the great minds in here?
mircea_popescu: !down CheckDavid
ascii_field: there is a dismal ru version of the 'sword in the stone' sorta legend
ascii_field: where there is a little iron ring in the earth
ascii_field: and a sign, telling strong men 'pull with all your might'
ascii_field: and most tried, grunted, gave up
ascii_field: but one mega-hero, pulled, pulled, PULLED
ascii_field: until he ended up buried entirely in the earth.
mod6: <+jurov> igprof won't work with stator, i guess? << i'm trying to recall the details... but i think it compiled ok iirc, but when I ran it (on a gentoo amd64 env) I couldn't get any thing to dump out for some reason.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year.
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
mircea_popescu: !rate CheckDavid -1 Too young yet. May reconsider this in a year.
assbot: CheckDavid is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: da fuck already.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you knwo the oglaf variant ?
ascii_field: can't recall
assbot: Noblesse Obligee ... ( http://bit.ly/1QLBz5o )
mod6: anyway, i need to give the IgProf hooks another try in a different, nongentoo env and see.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00051363 = 3.6468 BTC [+] {2}
ascii_field: ^ the hero, svyatogor
mircea_popescu: isn't ogor ground/land/something ?
mircea_popescu: the hero HolyPlot
phf: svyato-gor
ascii_field: theoretically, 'sviato' == holy; 'gor' ~= 'of mountains'
mircea_popescu: !up TwinWinNerD
phf: what i meant to say is that sometimes ascii talks precise, but sometimes with a certain amount of flair, which roughly translates into "the problem is nasty, with many unknowns, and requires excessive amount of investigation and work, if it's even solvable at all." this was the second case, i.e. not literally clear(), not necessarily boost, needs further independent investigation
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.00049712 = 3.629 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: phf: in this particular case, there is also another thing - whether the problem is solvable without committing 'power rangerism' and mutilating the patient beyond recognition into a monstrous chimera
assbot: Breaking: Suspected Lone Gunman Wounds 3 (Update: 5) Colorado Police Officers, Still At Large | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NyYHDK )
ascii_field: presently i do not even know how to cure the far more straightforward 300 bytes/block thing, without walking into this
ascii_field: (and it HAS to be cured before pogo can be a thing)
mircea_popescu: not all tumours are operable, is the sad fact of biology.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a valid and an invalid thing that i can readily see going under the same mantle. the valid side is an outgrowth of "no, we're not putting up with any shit, because shit reproduces itself, if you're going to make a sterile environment it gotta be sterile". the invalid part is well, paranoia, basically. "world is out to get itself!!!"
mircea_popescu: gotta distinguish these cuz the second's no good.
phf: one thing that i see happening here is a subtrate problem, i.e. oh boost is crap gotta use std c++, oh c++ is crap gotta use lisp, oh lisp is hosted on unix, gotta host on bare metal, oh bare metal is crap gotta vhdl our own cpu, oh can't do our own cpu because 3 factories. i'm not sure where that leaves us exactly
phf: in this case "broken because of boost" is more like a description of an OSI layer, i.e. uknowable things are happening somewhere in the datastructures level of things
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, I just sent you an email with my first Qntra article. Good luck to me :)
mircea_popescu: that leaves up shit creek looking for a job.
mircea_popescu: if experience's any guide.
phf: kek
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: Please reformat and resubmit as per http://trilema.com/lacessiveram-editor
assbot: Lacessiveram editor on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Io4Efa )
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, thank you! I'll read.
jurov: for the record: igprof won't work with stator, must change STATIC=all to STATIC=1 in stator.sh to get dynamic executable at final link time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3620 @ 0.00049815 = 1.8033 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12392 @ 0.00049816 = 6.1732 BTC [+]
felipelalli: BingoBoingo, I did not understand the item 4, how can I create a link?
felipelalli: Another question: strong, em etc. are HTML tags?
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: With <a> tgs
felipelalli: Understood!
BingoBoingo: felipelalli: yes, use <b><i>, etc
BingoBoingo: Any no non sensical line breaks
felipelalli: are you talking about \r\n e.g.?
felipelalli: I wrote it on Emacs, I just re-sent.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4327 @ 0.00049712 = 2.151 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4003 @ 0.00049711 = 1.9899 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: ahahaha kickass.
deedbot-: [Trilema] Saturday Night Fever - http://trilema.com/2015/saturday-night-fever/
mircea_popescu: for the record, mega article ^ imo
mod6: i feel like I have to watch it now lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10290 @ 0.00049643 = 5.1083 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: watched Un Prophete the other day, pretty damn good
trinque: I just watched one of the dance scenes on youtube; Travolta is *awful*.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6309 @ 0.00049467 = 3.1209 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: utterly/
phf: parents were telling me how saturday night was like the coolest movie in soviet uniont. nobody have seen it, but everyone talked about it. having a leisure suite from checkoslovakia was the pinnacle, etc. mom finally watched it in early 2000s, reaction was "wtf is this shit"
mircea_popescu: i am sure it was the coolest movie in the soviet union.
mircea_popescu: for specifically this reason : it is the direct equivalent to the set of euler's axioms.
mircea_popescu: the flesh in the west was starting to build a new socialism, and the flesh in the east wanted what flesh always wants.
mircea_popescu: s/euler/euclid/ wtf.
mircea_popescu: the irony implicit being that had she watched it in 1978, she'd have thought it unspeakably great.
mircea_popescu: apparently censorship is not all bad.
trinque: watched Forrest Gump again last night with a similar morbid curiousity. in it, he's the "hero" for no other reason than he is maximally obedient. he's the perfect american.
trinque: who needs official propaganda when it spews from every orifice?
mircea_popescu: could we say the same of blood ? air ?
trinque: I don't follow
mircea_popescu: "who needs blood when it spews from every orifice". seems like that's when you need it the most
phf: same people who thought themselves inoculated from soviet propaganda, fell for western one hook line and sinker
mircea_popescu: i happen to think the same is true of propaganda, even though it's an ideal object. by the time it's ubiquitous, the thing's going to shit. propaganda storm is a reflection of developing propaganda resistance.
mircea_popescu: phf well, you know, onoculated from propaganda, what's that even. "i'm done with love" ?
phf: well, our rocket is made of cardboard, but their jeans are made of american dream
mircea_popescu: oh where is that great song
assbot: Invidia [PLANETA MOLDOVA] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1SonZ5u )
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2015 22:29:08; mircea_popescu: why are usians dumb ?
trinque: to which I've been giving a great deal of thought since.
trinque: perhaps propaganda hole's clogged
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00049467 = 10.3633 BTC [-] {2}
phf: hehe that's a catchy song
mircea_popescu: "io-atita ma mindresc, io-atita ma mindresc si va spun : decit englez or neamt, franzuz, american mai bine, mai bine moldovan"
mircea_popescu: ie, i'm so very proud and i tell ya : rather than english or german, french or american, you're better off moldavian.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00049555 = 4.1131 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00049555 = 4.0635 BTC [+]
phf: that seems to tie with a broader point that once something is named, it's already over. propaganda storm is kind of like grabbing onto something stationary while in a current, and realizing that there's a current to beging with, and that it's possibly strong.
assbot: Logged on 18-04-2015 02:49:04; trinque: Citizenfive | What I'm saying, if I'm saying *anything*, is that the words don't matter. << I used to think this; lately I consider it an autoimmune disorder caused by lifetime immersion in symbolic shit
trinque: pretty hilarious sentence by Citizenfile there, too.
trinque: *five
mircea_popescu: propaganda storm most closely resembles insulin fatigue i'd say.
mircea_popescu: trinque in point of fact, words mattering is just another luxury good
mircea_popescu: like dioxin-free tomatoes.
phf: hmm
mircea_popescu: love or hate it, propaganda has a role in helping undifferentiated cells digest phenomena. pure, nude phenomena are indigestible by the human cell.
mircea_popescu: there's no reason for it to be "good" when kuhn describes it as a way for scientists to keep from being too stupid and also "bad" when ayers describes it as a way for red necks to still manage to fit in with their neighbours without shooting each other too much.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7402 @ 0.00049797 = 3.686 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <felipelalli> I wrote it on Emacs, I just re-sent. << I am at a loss now for how to extract this text
BingoBoingo never ceases to be surprised by the ways people bend GPG to produce bundles inside of bundles to the point it is impossible to discern where one might begin untangling the second bundles
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> like dioxin-free tomatoes. << or dioxin free roads/parks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00049556 = 5.1538 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's all the result of "easy to use" tools that run automagically.
BingoBoingo: fwiw this tends to happen msot often when messages are produced with GPG v2 and the first layer included mentions of MIME types
mircea_popescu: prolly "email client"
punkman: the wonders of PGP/MIME
mircea_popescu: dumbest fucking idea. why THE FUCK would the transport layer be even aware of pgp as opposed to plaintext.
mircea_popescu: if i designed this, the -a flag would yield a "1024 most common english words" encoding.
BingoBoingo: If I designed this it would use 1024 most common nudes encoding
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: hi bingo!
moldysnizz: long time
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5798 @ 0.00049797 = 2.8872 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: indeed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22650 @ 0.00049923 = 11.3076 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu doesn't recall the gentleman.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3838 @ 0.00050238 = 1.9281 BTC [+]
chatquack: There we go.
assbot: Logged on 28-11-2015 00:10:35; mircea_popescu: anyway, point remains, if someone [such as jurov] decides to spend a day on this he should have to use as little as possible hunting the history as that leaves as much as possible to actually doing work.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7838 @ 0.0005073 = 3.9762 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: "This kid had an injury that I’d never seen before. Instead of articulating posteriorly to the patella, his femur went lateral while his tibfib went medial. Basically, his thigh was sliding to outside while his shin was sliding to the inside. I’d seen dislocations before, but his bones were cocked out at angles that were different from typical traumatic dislocations. To me, it simply looked like his knee gave in under the weig
BingoBoingo: ht and collapsed underneath him." << https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/685908
assbot: ER fat with knee pain | fatpeoplehate ... ( http://bit.ly/1NTG3k8 )
mircea_popescu: "TLDR: Fat with knee problems. Fat mother. Fat people are a cancer. " << i wonder how come people will throw an absolute hissy fit should mother dare smoke, yet nobody seems to get too worried should mother be obese. yet smoking is not nearly as damaging as obesity.
mircea_popescu: seems a rehash of the entire "it's okay for fat woman to drown you in her lard in the subway. it's not ok for male to sit comfortably."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4974 @ 0.0005073 = 2.5233 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: Let's play a game of which mine are we working today https://archive.is/joG7C
assbot: BitttBurger comments on Peter Todd: "Remember how we discussed adding Tor-by-default to Bitcoin Core? It'll be in v0.12!" ... ( http://bit.ly/1IfsfUw )
BingoBoingo: Brodinism just got a lot less appealing >> "Brothers I've been triggered! My lat has become so large with Brodin's blessings I find it difficult to reach around it and clean up after I've given yesterday's sustenance to the porcelain god. I fear if this continues I may have to use a rag on a stick!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11176 @ 0.00050794 = 5.6767 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: anwyay, commenters bring a good fucking point. when i was in my teens i went through about 25-30k calories a week, each week.
mircea_popescu: slim as a hound.
mircea_popescu: da fuck they put in that food.
mircea_popescu: lmao they are going to dump all that tor bs on top of all that openssl bs on top of all that boost bs on top of all that qt bs into the client ?
BingoBoingo: Well, most american food is laced with the sugahs. Even the meats and breads. A lot of it is the sugahs that don't respond to insulin (fructose). Add vidya games. Add monsanto.
BingoBoingo: Yeah, Bitcoin "core" prolly needs some more fatshaming
mircea_popescu: i just hope they add avahi.
mircea_popescu: needs its own sound driver right ?
BingoBoingo: How do we know it isn't already in there?
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