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assbot: Heap overflow and endless loop in exfatfsck / exfat-utils | The Fuzzing Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0mRcH )
assbot: Wittgenstein: This is a very pleasant pineapple - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1k0nDXi )
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assbot: Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus ... ( http://bit.ly/204pj2U )
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mircea_popescu: punkman i always wondered if he actually deliberately chose his nick that way
assbot: A New Material Promises NSA-Proof Wallpaper - Defense One ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mh0OLO )
mircea_popescu: by now the stupid "reporting" thing is so much a kabuki of its own you can often separate it from the actual event it parasitizes
mircea_popescu: sort of like once shit dries enough, you can just pick it out of the hair of the African in question, leaving behind "clean" hair.
mircea_popescu: and from the word! department :
mircea_popescu: "The question that they are answering isn't "does environment matter more than genetics?" It's a more subtle, sneaky, social-policy questionr: "since we now know that genetics isn't as deterministic as we hoped, is there something else that we can focus on which is equally out of our control? What about the goings-on in utero? So that the environment factors matter only at that time, not later? Then we can safely
mircea_popescu: say that behavior is "innate" and out of our control, while still leaving us the door to intervene in people's lives for their benefit."
mircea_popescu: No one in the behavioral sciences discovers something, and then constructs policy recommendations. "We learned that people are like this, so..." It's the other way around. The policies come first; the money is spent on the research that supports them. In questions about evolutionary psychology and behavior, the question they want to answer is always of the form, "how is it not the individual's fault, but we can medd
mircea_popescu: le anyway?""
mircea_popescu: http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2010/06/are_certain_behaviors--_and_jo.html << excellent article altogether, should be mandatory hs reading.
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Are Certain Behaviors-- And Jobs-- More Masculine? And Out Of Our Control? ... ( http://bit.ly/1H13MfJ )
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assbot: Logged on 24-10-2015 13:17:38; mircea_popescu: and for the daily lol, http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2015/10/new-material-promises-nsa-proof-wallpaper/123066/
assbot: Logged on 12-12-2014 00:01:28; asciilifeform: emp arms powered by chemical explosives are 'sexy', suck in grant money like nothing else, even deployed (!) by usa in gulf war 1 - taking a tv broadcast antenna out of action for a few hours (they had to change an amp)
mircea_popescu: that said, grounded wallpaper would go a long way.
asciilifeform: but doesn't have to be made of unobtainium-shitanium alloy.
mircea_popescu: (ftr, grounded windows are cheap and easy to make, just put mesh in between the two layers of plastic)
assbot: In unexpected discovery, comet contains alcohol, sugar - Yahoo News India ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3uNbS )
mircea_popescu: poate-i vodca! poate-i vin! poate-i pipi de rechin!
punkman: mircea_popescu: or maybe that's how he chose the quote
mircea_popescu: or that yah
assbot: [Cryptography] Other obvious issues being ignored? ... ( http://bit.ly/1S2F6dt )
asciilifeform: punkman: it is in the logz
assbot: Logged on 14-10-2015 16:32:27; asciilifeform: 'I don't care if your language lawyers tell you gcc is right. THIS WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO GET HACKED.' << this is not hundred percent idiotic. the c programming language is specified in such a way, with sufficiently pervasive 'undefined behaviours' and nonstandardized but inescapable routines, that it is ~physically impossible~ to program in it as-specified
punkman: asciilifeform: I found this interesting "the STACK UB analyser found that UB code occurs in 40% of all Debian Wheezy packages (that use C)."
asciilifeform: but the basic lesson, which is for some reason hidden behind a thick veil of shitsmoke, is that c is not built to be reasoned about mechanically, ergo relying on the compiler to save you from yourself is retarded.
deedbot-: [Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/
asciilifeform: and the notion that it is somehow possible to program in 'strictly defined' c is a deliberate lie
asciilifeform: it is not possible.
asciilifeform: not for any proggy written outside of a primary school.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306871 << re: cars in usa: yes, ~everyone~ is expected to drive. something, anything with wheels. even cripples - in most places here you just need one arm and one leg. there are special shops that customize the cars for this, i used to work next to one.
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2015 15:57:23; deedbot-: [Trilema] A lingering suspicion. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-lingering-suspicion/
asciilifeform: even bums will often 'drive' a motorized wheelchair thing (provided by usg, through some byzantine and ancient pension thing)
asciilifeform: this sometimes leads to interesting contradictions. everywhere in usa there are strict laws against drunken driving, but if you go into a suburb you will notice pub after pub, each of them accessible ~strictly~ by car
asciilifeform: (with very few exceptions, no 'respectable' person in a u.s. suburb ever sets foot inside of a bus)
assbot: Student's new ride after DWI arrest? A "Barbie Jeep" - CBS News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NsRjq0 )
punkman: oh that's in the logs
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mircea_popescu: so apparently there's a hurricane headed for mexico that's well twice the size of katrina
mod6: I've been to that place many times: Puerto Vallarta.
mod6: nice town. probably will take a long time to rebuild. they had a hurricane that hit back in like 2002 or 2003 that hit them pretty hard, probably not nearly as bad as this though
mircea_popescu: yeah looks monstrous.
mod6: yeah, gigantic cloud mass.
assbot: Goons Tell us Why Reddit is Bad, Describe SomethingAwful.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1i3Vtt1 )
asciilifeform: l0l launchpad mcquack
asciilifeform: in-joke. character was based, by some accounts, on john mccain
asciilifeform: (crashed every machine he climbed into)
mircea_popescu: but those accounts only popped up once mccain was in the news, whereas the cartoon looks like silver age/HB
asciilifeform: aha. but m's flying career was long over by the time launchpad appeared.
asciilifeform: at any rate, legend.
mircea_popescu: the fact that republicans have a knack for this is kinda strange. recall the bush record ? BOTH of them ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, if you ever saw hot shots, the base commander there is also a sort of mccain/mcduck
asciilifeform: simple explanation
asciilifeform: flying was (is?) considered a 'blueblood' thing
asciilifeform: the only peculiar thing about being an admiral's son and another admiral's grandson is that you get to crash machine after machine
asciilifeform: instead of 'flying the mahogany bomber' after the first one.
mircea_popescu: i don't even see much of a problem with tha.t
asciilifeform: how about the idiot brit officers with their purchased commissions, leading 'charges of the light brigade' one after another ?
asciilifeform: eventually summed to zero
mircea_popescu: how about the "i know you've won the war mr wellington, but what have you done for us lately???"
mircea_popescu: also eventually sums to zero.
mircea_popescu: in any case the reference is particularly weak - the officers in question ACTUALLY LED THE CHARGE. ie, were there.
mircea_popescu: apparently "biotruther" is a word, now. what libertards call people who know biology that's not been approved by the global warming committee
asciilifeform: see also 'hatefact'
mircea_popescu: is that irl or just meta ?
asciilifeform: ;;google hatefact
gribble: 10 Hatefacts for Those Who Hate Facts - Taki's Magazine: <http://takimag.com/article/10_hatefacts_for_those_who_hate_facts_gavin_mcinnes/print>; Alternative Right: FIVE HISTORICAL HATEFACTS: <http://alternative-right.blogspot.com/2014/03/five-historical-hatefacts.html>; Stuff Black People Don't Like - SBPDL: #62. "Hate Facts": (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ie, do the idiots use it themselves or is it just a fuck me
shinohai: Good afternoon, #bitcoin-assets. Anyone here care to make a recommendation for a replacement of my lappy that just died?
asciilifeform: shinohai: plenty of unrecommendations
shinohai: so I don't fuck up and buy a bad machine again
asciilifeform: shinohai: THERE IS NO TOLERABLE LAPTOP
asciilifeform spent many, many k-usd establishing this
mircea_popescu: ibm thinkpad.
mircea_popescu: 2004 edition.
shinohai: Me too. I bought two of these shiity Dell i3's last year. One died within 6 months, other died yesterday.
asciilifeform had this very box
asciilifeform: but i assumed that 1024x768 and a pen-800 is not shinohai's idea of usable.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that batteries are not to be had for vintage lappy
mircea_popescu: you kidding ? i bought dozens.
shinohai: Buy old batteries, zap with welder. win.
asciilifeform: and they hold a charge ?
asciilifeform: these things sucked donkey balls when they were new..
asciilifeform: (1-2 hrs.)
asciilifeform: 4 in first month of life, and if screen is at 10%, and cpu is idle...
shinohai: So if anyone needs good touchscreens, I got 'em lol.
mircea_popescu: so buy 50
mircea_popescu: and throw them in the regular garbage, too. teach the plebs a lesson.
asciilifeform: li ion cells age on the shelf
mircea_popescu: the chinese keep making them. seriously, the batteries i bought were so much younger than the laptop it'd have been pedophillia.
mircea_popescu: luckily the battery goes into the laptop rather than the other way around os all good.
asciilifeform: anyway requirements of 'laptop for mircea_popescu's missile launch codes' and for civilian use are not quite same.
shinohai: I rather expected something to go wrong. The day I get my sdr in the mail, lappy takes a shit.
asciilifeform: a year or so ago i chronicled (see logz!) my attempts to get a toshiba 'libretto 100ct' vintage ultraportable going with something like a reasonable unix
asciilifeform: i had one when i was in school, and it worked great. but today - nope. because go and try to install freebsd 4.7 - where do you get the packages? gonna patch by hand ?
asciilifeform: spend whole life ?
asciilifeform: ended up with barely usable openbsd. 500mSec or so delay on fopen() !!! because no ram left over (from the 64M) for disk caching
asciilifeform: because apparently there IS NO SUCH THING as unbloated unix to be had ANYWHERE today
shinohai: So finish your OS asciilifeform and save us from this package maintenance hell.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i don't do x86 os.
asciilifeform: shinohai: do you know the story of the spittoon ?
shinohai reads
shinohai: well I daresay *that* was an interesting tale asciilifeform
asciilifeform: shinohai: understand how it applies ?
shinohai: I may need to mull it over moar ...
shinohai: If I can avoid drinking the whole damned spitoon, I would try to avoid it.
asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, anything to do with 'i want a WORKING OS with WORKING PROGRAMS' is the entire spittoon.
asciilifeform: it is relatively simple if you are mircea_popescu and the only thing that needs to run is lynx and gpg 1.4
shinohai was just busting asciilifeform's balls
mircea_popescu: acrtually this laptop runs firefox, vlc etc
asciilifeform: but does it ~build~ them
mircea_popescu: dynamic, but sure.
mircea_popescu: not that it has to, but for curiosity.
mircea_popescu: takes a day.
asciilifeform: i was actually not speaking of laptops, but explaining to shinohai that 'make a usable system from scratch with no modern code' is a spittoon
mircea_popescu: not like it's useful anyway, the difference between "run this binary" and "build" is absent in thos context
asciilifeform: as for firefox, it is barely usable (much less buildable) on my desktop iron
asciilifeform: so i can't fathom what kind of masochist would run it on an old pen
mircea_popescu: but it's firefox 16 or some shit. 11 ? i dont even recall.
asciilifeform: (thing leaks perhaps a gb/hr)
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha then it's the one that lets arbitrary www load arbitrary files from your disk.
asciilifeform: (every firefox until a few wks ago, known.)
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: it's not a secure machine or anything, watch movies in bed off its 10gb hdd
asciilifeform: so this sheds no light on the building of general-purpose box.
mircea_popescu: yes it does. a general purpose box is the next best thing
mircea_popescu: after a general-gendered wife.
asciilifeform: ('general purpose' to be understood as a box on which one might, e.g., write code.)
mircea_popescu: i dun think i ever wrote a trilema article on it.
mircea_popescu is very peculiar about kbds. laptop kbd no good.
asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
mircea_popescu: strangely, yes, that one's fine.
asciilifeform: did it even... have keys?
asciilifeform: looked mighty flat
mircea_popescu: but i disover the problem with me actually is SIZE. as in, gotta be this long.
asciilifeform: aha or where to put hands.
mircea_popescu: ya that too. "oh you could put the laptop on a table" well fuck you then, i could jkuist use a kbd ?
asciilifeform: a good deal of modern hardware looks as if it were designed for inhabitants of some other planet
asciilifeform: perhaps where they have tentacles.
mircea_popescu: Planet Kindergarten
asciilifeform: idk how mircea_popescu does it. typing on a kbd with no springs is like fucking a surface with no hole
asciilifeform: yes, it is possible... but borders on redefinition
mircea_popescu: i was corrupted by easy credit.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, just, somehow, they dun bother me.
asciilifeform notices that 90+% of traditional gentoo mirrors in his records are dead
mircea_popescu: obsolete technologye.
asciilifeform: 99% of a typical build time on my box is just churning through dead mirrors.
mircea_popescu: use deedbot ?
asciilifeform: complicated. most aren't 100% dead
asciilifeform: just missing essentials, selectively.
asciilifeform: and not one is 100% healthy.
asciilifeform: nor even 50.
mircea_popescu: quite why.
mircea_popescu: take the time sometime and make the mirror.
asciilifeform: and get the tarballs where ?
asciilifeform: time machine ?
asciilifeform: i suppose one possible place would be my own disk...
asciilifeform puts this on list of what to do with the replacement for dulap, when such appears
asciilifeform: i cannot escape the observation that i am keeping alive a very sad and sickly thing
asciilifeform: but there is NO REPLACEMENT FOR IT
asciilifeform: and much of the disease is not specific to this one linux variant but to the entire ecosystem
asciilifeform: gentoo simply appears to be the worst-looking horse in the glue factory on account of not having a protective coating of bullshit
asciilifeform: (namely, in other distros you are not trying to ~build~ the world, and are not thus exposed to the fact that most of it is not deterministically buildable any more without generous helpings of blood magic)
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Another Diagnosis Of Schizophrenia, This Time With Cats ... ( http://bit.ly/1MZJvO5 )
mircea_popescu: "so toxoplasmosis is basically a conspiracy against rat's best interests ?" "no. it's basically a selected accident. all the other accidents that didn't close the cycle didn't live to get a name."?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70432 @ 0.00053239 = 37.4973 BTC [+] {3}
jurov: tangentially related, i have done the mistake of emerging pypy and enabling it systemwide
jurov: since there is no gento pypy maintainer, it's running into dep problems
jurov: more and more
jurov: but have not noticed any mirror problems
mircea_popescu: in other news, intel finally teased out tlp's email. if anyone cares, he's 52. etc.
mats: morning qts
ben_vulpes: wb mats
mats: thx m8
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20061 @ 0.00053834 = 10.7996 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: what's a qt ?
mats: cutie.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44282 @ 0.00054173 = 23.9889 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: correlates with a high probability of being a dangerous pedophile.
thestringpuller: that looks extremely difficult,.
mircea_popescu: not if she's 9.
thestringpuller: that girl doesn't look 9
thestringpuller: (looks are deceptive etc)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25400 @ 0.00054224 = 13.7729 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Why A Story About Russian Spies Who Use Facebook? ... ( http://bit.ly/1PJSLaX )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34097 @ 0.00054257 = 18.5 BTC [+] {2}
adlai: trinque: deedbot.org is not showing the latest deed
adlai: (which had to be submitted twice)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76100 @ 0.0005393 = 41.0407 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: adlai: might have to do with whenever the last block happened
trinque: but I'll look at it
trinque: adlai: I only see you subitting something once
trinque: *submitting
trinque: right, when you say "had to be submitted twice" I expected that it didn't accept one of them
adlai: first time, it didn't deed at all; second time got notarized in block 380163, but doesn't show up on deedbot.org
trinque: btcd is barfing on the transaction for some reason
trinque: adlai: I'll figure it out, ping ya when I do
adlai: np
adlai: deedbot put the hash in the blockchain, assbot put the content in the cloud, what more does a man need?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7717 @ 0.0005393 = 4.1618 BTC [-] {2}
mats: silk boxers
trinque: adlai: he got ahead of himself and double-spent an output, then lost track of which output to use. I've fixed the db, and expect that he's back on track.
trinque: today I'm actually working on his replacement, which when complete I will provide sources. I'm starting from the bottom (stay online, keep your nick, no seriously) so do not know when it will be complete.
adlai: why not cannibalize existing works?
trinque: because that's what led to this.
trinque: I'm not doing it with duct tape this time
adlai: well you must be using some 'bedrock'
trinque: heh, if you have a proposal, make it!
trinque: every bot I've used, someone highly recommended it, and then I end up having to hit the thing with a wrench to do what I'd expect should come with the definition of "IRC bot"
adlai: cl-irc is good, it doesn't support sasl but you don't necessarily need that
trinque: by good, do you mean it will detect when freenode thinks it has not connected, but it has in fact reconnected?
trinque: and it will subsequently grab its nick back?
adlai: no, but you'll have an easier time building that with the condition system than if you're using $blub
trinque: yep, I am going to use CL
trinque: I've only been farting around yet, so I'll see if I like cl-irc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00054257 = 9.929 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61300 @ 0.00054339 = 33.3098 BTC [+] {4}
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-10-2015#1306989 << i figured it was his eulora machine seeing as how the photo included a list of base prices for items commonly traded
assbot: Logged on 24-10-2015 18:57:10; asciilifeform: and that atrocity in the desk photo is ?!
assbot: There Is a Huge Backlog of Ships Waiting to Pass Through the Panama Canal - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwjQu )
ben_vulpes: http://www.spacebuckets.com/materials << rails. takes 2.9 seconds to serve...a hobby site.
assbot: START YOUR JOURNEY | Space Buckets ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuwDPj )
ben_vulpes: remind me to rhapsodize about 'turbo links' some day.
ben_vulpes: eh, pipe to haus is slow. still, nearly a whole second from my aws instance.
assbot: Loanbase: Bitcoin Lending Done Right ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rux641 )
mircea_popescu: ahaha wut.
mircea_popescu: nothing says "done right" more than spurious name parasitism. really.
mircea_popescu: Mike - eyewear done right!
mircea_popescu: Bouboutin, hats done right!
mircea_popescu: Wenessy, breaks and shocks, done right!
mircea_popescu: come to tyhink abo0ut it, one could open a whole fast food chain / pizzeria call it DeLay
mircea_popescu: "It's not our fault - it's in the name!"
asciilifeform: crunchy frog (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: Sandy Beaches Brothels.
shinohai: lol @ crunchy frog
shinohai: Am I an asshole if I go there and get a loan then default ?
mircea_popescu: i would expect that is the default.
mircea_popescu: Bankrupt ? It's not your fault, it's default!
assbot: When the loan purpose is building reputation, is it possible to withdraw the funds? – LoanBase Help Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ruxrn6 )
mircea_popescu: im not gonna click
adlai: tl;dr "no"
asciilifeform didn't know mircea_popescu went in for... this
mircea_popescu: in what ?
asciilifeform: whatever this is called.
mircea_popescu: loanbase ? trannyfucking ?
asciilifeform: the latter.
shinohai: There used to be a tranny pr0n site that accepted btc for subscriptions.
shinohai: I blew 0.1 buying subs for people I hate.
mircea_popescu: did it do anything ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform can't say i do, but what, it should be banished now ?
mircea_popescu: "I've rarely met an ADHD kid who sleeps enough, and I've never met an ADHD adult or adolescent who does. When a kid is sleep deprived, he gets hyper; they are too tired to be inhibited, too tired to exert self-control."
mircea_popescu: this is actually a very interesting theory.
shinohai: To each his/her own.
trinque: adlai: tried cl-irc, turned off my wifi until the test nick was disconnected on freenode's end, and connectedp still returns T on the cl-irc end
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/hz7j9hf << an equally-appealing photo i took today.
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxXSb )
trinque: this is the kind of shit that drives me crazy
asciilifeform: the underside of my sorry hovel. turns out, the water hookup is THROUGH A RUBBER HOSE
asciilifeform: (center, by the support column)
asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/oTRtC00 << left: the biggest spiders i've ever seen outside of a collection
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1RuxZJI )
asciilifeform: the white cables: 220v.
mats doesn't see any spiders
asciilifeform: on the wall.
mats: nvm.
mircea_popescu: !up Garmin
mircea_popescu: but where doesw the cock go ?!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you fucking nut.
mircea_popescu: those are crickets.
asciilifeform: but they don't crick..
asciilifeform: defective!
mircea_popescu: "the greatest peacock i ever saw!" "that's a human from rockefeller center" "but i see no penis ?!?!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24750 @ 0.00054426 = 13.4704 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^ check it out
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jan 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1216/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jan-2016/#b3
mircea_popescu: ;;market
gribble: Error: "market" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: da fuck was it
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.63, Best ask: 285.96, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 285.56, 24 hour volume: 15452.3532551, 24 hour low: 279.7, 24 hour high: 286.22, 24 hour vwap: None
mircea_popescu: dumbass vc "losing interest" is the best thing that ever happened to bitcoin huh.
shinohai: Helping a friend in Brasil set up realbitcoin, trying to get him up to speed on gpg so he can come here.
mircea_popescu: are you from brasil ?
shinohai: I'm not, just a guy I have known since I started bitcoin a few years ago.
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gabriel_laddel: !s Wouter Basson
assbot: 0 results for 'Wouter Basson' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Wouter+Basson
gabriel_laddel: !s Lothar Neethling
assbot: 0 results for 'Lothar Neethling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar+Neethling
gabriel_laddel: !s Lothar's potion
assbot: 0 results for 'Lothar's potion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Lothar%27s+potion
mircea_popescu: "There is absolutely no way that anyone who reads The Economist can have concluded that Europe has surpassed America in anything not involving riots, in the way that no one who reads Maxim can conclude that acne is in vogue."
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: have you, or will you be emailing any of the gentoo mirror maintainers asking around for backups?
gabriel_laddel: I was shocked to find out that they only keep the couple most recent versions of everything in the master repository.
gabriel_laddel: wtf is the *point* if I can't go back in time to something stable.
mircea_popescu: the point is appearing to do a job.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: no. see thread.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i will be publishing my personal stash.
mircea_popescu: q : is there a way to actually publish this as a discrete item ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what would this mean ?
mircea_popescu: or is it an utter and impredictable mess in the manner of everything else foss ?
asciilifeform: it's a gigantic dir full of tar.gz
mircea_popescu: that by doing [this thing to do] i now have _everything_.
asciilifeform: it is not everything. merely everything asciilifeform's cockpit has.
asciilifeform: at least such that was 'emerge'-d
mircea_popescu: so "no using any videocards ascii never used" ?
asciilifeform: however, this doesn't leave many
asciilifeform: pretty sure i even had a 'tseng' at some point.
mircea_popescu: so it technically is just another bad mirror ?
asciilifeform: and a (pci!) 'hercules.'
asciilifeform: 'there are many bad mirrors, this one is mine'
asciilifeform: but it is guaranteed to add up to a civilized box.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean to impugn, btw.
mircea_popescu: just... this is a structural fucking problem.
asciilifeform: that's sorta what i was trying to explain to shinohai.
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess, coming at same from diff path
mircea_popescu: "They are better educated than previous generations and they were raised by baby boomers who lavished a lot of attention on their children," said Andrew Kohut [the director of the Pew Research Center.]
mircea_popescu: WRONGALONGADINGDONG. They're not better educated, they just have more degrees.
mircea_popescu: one day i'll meet the usian who is better educated than people in the 50s.
mircea_popescu: and it'll be a russian/irani/whatever.
asciilifeform: pew?! what next, we quote völkischer beobachter ?
asciilifeform: 'the secret strange hole in his dubious pew' (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu's www)
mircea_popescu: i am quoting tlp who quoted him!
mircea_popescu: that makes it ok!
mircea_popescu: shit, i wrote that didn't i. pretty cool.
gabriel_laddel: Does any commercial Lisp IDE have a fast autocomplete that works like "apropos at point" ie, across all packages?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: afaik there is precisely 1 commercial common lisp ide
asciilifeform: lispworks
asciilifeform: but afaik nobody uses it, most folks run emacs+slime even there.
asciilifeform: but iirc it does have apropos.
asciilifeform: if you must... grap the eval version from their www, see for yourself.
mats: at least its not a tranny this time
mircea_popescu: tough crowd eh
gabriel_laddel: How about a working linux?!
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gabriel_laddel: All that CLIM, all that desktop.
mats: i miss summer already
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: spiffy
mats: laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: how laggy is it ?
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: the debugger works too!
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: not at all
asciilifeform: the other thing is that i always fucking hated athena
gabriel_laddel: If I get like 30 views in climacs, that slows
asciilifeform: can't stand it
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel sluts are way easier.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: athena?
mircea_popescu: <mats> laying in bed, naked, listening to 'Channel Orange', that was nice << you know ba weather is nude indoors weather throughout the year.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the ancient mit project from which those gui elements (e.g. the scroll bar) came
asciilifeform: the 'default ghastly gui of x11'
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: ah. Well at some point I'll have someone fix it up all nice and minimalist.
asciilifeform: afaik with clim it's athena or nothing.
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gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: nah, there is one other.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: pixie or something like that
gabriel_laddel: (the pixie "look and feel" doesn't work with tabs though)
asciilifeform: so it's garbage.
mats: mircea_popescu: i'm envious. boston is under siege during the winter... i believe last year was the snowiest on record, ~110in
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: fixing only the tabs is easy
mircea_popescu: yeah, i lived there.
gabriel_laddel: how to geometry
mircea_popescu: brutal. practically sweden.
mircea_popescu: pronounced snowed-in
mats: hue.
mircea_popescu: http://36.media.tumblr.com/c80020b1c225b7fc5d20c5d95f8e0128/tumblr_mlzz0fq9bd1s9ngl0o1_1280.jpg << this is known in french as "l'embarras du choix", which means "the shame of the cauliflower".
mircea_popescu: because the french are that weird.
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gabriel_laddel: apropos of nothing: if anyone here is addicted to coffee, and finds that caffine pills don't cut it, I've found that brand EasyUp works WONDERS.
mats: i'm seeing a lot of results for tents with the 'easyup' search query
mats: and something known as a 'paramotor', which is kinda cool.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google easy up wake up aid - take tonight. wake up easier & alert tomorrow morning amazon
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gabriel_laddel: useless google
mircea_popescu: srsly, that nick's not taken ?
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mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel why not just have some coffee ?
btc: hi
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gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I drink about 2 pots a day without it sometimes.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the amout of liquid is irritating.
mircea_popescu: a) you should drink about a gallon of water a day ; b) if you don't like how much coffee you drink just make a point of drinking a little less each day for a while ?
mircea_popescu: who're you btc ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I try to make a point of drinking less, and it works. for a while. then I'm back to a pot or two a day.
mircea_popescu: so make a point of paying attention for longer ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I need it to think.
gabriel_laddel: (IMHO, I actually need some sort of medication, but have not really looked into it)
mircea_popescu: it is taken.
gabriel_laddel: Does anyone have some "grey goo pipe dreams" re mechanical program optimization?
gabriel_laddel: If you do, I'd love to hear them.
mats: modafinil is p great.
gabriel_laddel: mats: doesn't work for me...
gabriel_laddel: my thoughts get all disjointed, but then again, I've only tried the racemic stuff
mircea_popescu: honestly, if i actually needed some substance to think i would probably drop everything and go shoot bears for a while.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: you have that option.
asciilifeform: cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick
gabriel_laddel: furthermore, I have actually quit coffee now, twice.
mircea_popescu: omg teh haet.
gabriel_laddel: but I dislike being 'sober'.
gabriel_laddel: or uncaffinated, or whatever you want to call it.
gabriel_laddel: It's boring.
mats: well, if you'd like to try non racemics, guess I'll shill mymodafinil.com and its armodafinil
mircea_popescu: problem is - drunkedness is strictly for people who don't dislike being sober.
mats: discount if invoice paid with buttcoins
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: pardon?
asciilifeform: mats: did you personally analyze it ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel it's a paradoxical thing, what can i say.
mats: whaddya mean? lab test?
asciilifeform: as in, wtf is actually in that spam pill.
asciilifeform: last i checked, every spamarmacy is actually shipping indian adrafinil, which rots the liver.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I simply don't understand what you're saying.
mircea_popescu: this is probab le.
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> cue 'everyone has that option', here have a broomstick << or a Bible
mats: no. but my understanding is that the operators buy the generics from indian rx mfgs and resell the stuff
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that not liking being sober is a very poor reason to be drunk. or whatever you call it.
mats: well nao...
mats: guess it's a good thing I've only consumed a few dozen of em
asciilifeform: mats: recrystallize a few pills and find the melting point (it isn't hard.) you might be in for a surprise.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I agree with you, but the *amount of work* I get done when caffinated, and the amount of fun I have doing it makes it simply impossible to do otherwise.
gabriel_laddel: I'm an addict, what can I say.
mats: I know next to nothing about chemistry
asciilifeform: mats: this experiment does not require a first class education in it.
mats: what if there's filler besides the moda? etc.
asciilifeform: hence you recrystallize
asciilifeform: (find what the active substance dissolves in which the fillers do not.)
asciilifeform: rinse, repeat (literally)
mats: the most experience I've had with testing chemicals is using various reagents to ensure I was consuming actual mdma
mats: but I'll give it a go, soon as I acquire a hot plate
mircea_popescu: can make out of wire and battery.
mircea_popescu: depending on wire thickness, either the wire or the battery shall be the hot plate.
mats: for folks curious about moda, gwern had written extensively on the subject
asciilifeform: interestingly, if mircea_popescu were to take a dose of modafinil (racemic or isomeric, pick whichever) he would notice NOTHING AT ALL
asciilifeform: guaranteed.
mats: has*
asciilifeform: and i bet mats knows why.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's probable. i have a poor reaction to many of these.
asciilifeform: no i mean literally NOTHING
asciilifeform: no side effect either.
mircea_popescu: whyssat ?
asciilifeform: because it is a very peculiar kind of dope, which does (as far as most folks notice, or - for the most part - across a few million eaters / a few decades of sales) precisely one thing.
asciilifeform: simulates a full night of sleep.
mircea_popescu: lol that's fucking useless.
asciilifeform: for mircea_popescu - guaranteed useless.
mircea_popescu: "take this pill, it simulates taking a piss" "or i could... take a piss ?" "yes, of course".
asciilifeform: countdown to broomstick...
mats: I mostly used it to retain cognitive power and wakefulness for studying binges and v late nights
mircea_popescu never binge studied either. wtf, if it's not worth reading normally it's not worth reading.
mircea_popescu also started his final thesis in college 5 months early, and was done with it about a month and a half before it was supposed to be turned in.
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mats: topical
mats: curious about BBs opinion on the subject of moda, and more broadly, 'nootropics'
mats: ;;later tell bingoboingo haro, ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gabriel_laddel: mats: I'm curious as to why you're curious as to BB's opinion?
mircea_popescu: other than peterl, bb is like the resident chemist huh
gabriel_laddel: since when?
mats: did a stint in pharmacy school, rite?
mircea_popescu: since when he keeps ranting about chem topics ? dunno.
mircea_popescu: alf too, but alf only took a kindergarten level chemistry class
mircea_popescu: so he doesn't count.
mod6: haha
gabriel_laddel: *riiight.
mats: I liked moda because it was, for me, an adderall without the negative effects,
mircea_popescu: you lot could just as well have a glass of water and go takle a nap.
asciilifeform: aaaaaha sure.
asciilifeform: on dirigible.
asciilifeform: in the magical room where you only do things you want to do.
mircea_popescu: this shit isn't free. in the time you took to research it and the time it takes you to earn what it costs you coulda caught up on sleep.
trinque: I would wager this is more to do with "wow, this is what a smart person must feel like" and thereby actually doing some work than the effect of the chemical.
mats: e.g. distracting euphoria, I could still sleep while on the tail end of a 100mg dosage 7-8hrs in
mircea_popescu: trinque you know that AWESOME tlp article on placebo ?
trinque: no but I will now want to search it out
mircea_popescu: lemme feed it to you.
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asciilifeform: mats: you can actually sleep ~immediately~ after eating whatever dosage.
asciilifeform: mats: try it if you don't believe.
mircea_popescu: i just had the girls lined up with their mouths open while i swore as to the various aspects
gabriel_laddel: I'm rather envious of the 50s. You could get benzedrine otc, and it was widely used by e.g., Norbert Wiener
mats: asciilifeform: I believe, have done so on a few occasions
mircea_popescu: "no, parkinson, this is a legitimately defined disease with a biological backing. no, he is actually measuring the chemistry involved, dopamine. no, actually." etc
mats: when I was apparently too exhausted, or perhaps took an insubstantial dosage
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i got benzadrine otc here. asked for cyclobenzapyrine, derp showed up with benzos.
gabriel_laddel: benzos != benzadrine
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the muscle relaxant!!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 1950s usa, 'benzo' meant benzoamphetamine.
mircea_popescu: oh, he actually meant amphetamine ? mkay.
asciilifeform: (not, say, benzodiazepine)
gabriel_laddel: widely used in the war effort.
asciilifeform: in every country there was a separate name for it, for some odd reason
gabriel_laddel: I asked someone who was around, he claims that he "couldn't distinguish it from coffee"
asciilifeform: germany and anything warsaw pact say 'pervitin' (nazi brand) - folks will recognize.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you have any idea whbat the tolerance to benzo-* is like ?
mircea_popescu: after a few years you can take it by the gram.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: not really.
asciilifeform: actually the relevant piece here is mircea_popescu's own 'how to smoke' article.
asciilifeform: (don't be an idiot and eat $dope every day)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is the article about how to feed whores caviar.
asciilifeform: hm. perhaps was thinking of another.
asciilifeform: there was one about how to smoke, i distincly recally.
asciilifeform: *distinctly
mircea_popescu: i sometimes repeat myself.
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mircea_popescu: "I. Ersteklasse. Crema a ceea ce poate oferi natura, icrele cele mai bune, din care in principiu un cetatean, oricit de bogat s-ar gasi, are totusi a consuma cantitati limitate, dintr-un motiv foarte simplu : daca nu alternezi cu produse inferioare te vei obisnui, si-apoi te vei deprima. Oamenii inteligenti le gusta lunar si traiesc fericiti pina la adinci batrineti."
mircea_popescu: "the cream of what nature can offer, best roe, of which in principle a person no matter how rich still should only consume limited amounts for a very simple reason : if you do not alternate with inferior product you wiull become used to it, and then depressed. intelligent people eat it once a month and live happilly ever after."
asciilifeform: entirely pertinent, even if the wrong article.
mircea_popescu: thinking about it, i do recall i also said about smoking.
asciilifeform: 'used to it, then depressed' followed by 'can't quit usa because that's where they serve up $x'
mircea_popescu: lol. you are not at all far off.
mircea_popescu: perhaps travelling by bus is now much more obviously comprehensible.
asciilifeform speaks with the studded and corpulent anal pineapple of experience
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo https://cryptome.org/dodi/2015/dodd-5205-14.pdf >>>>>> http://dpaste.com/32ACSQ3.txt << lulzy, possibly qntra material ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'The Department of Defense shall work with other U.S. Government (USG) departments and agencies and with partner nations to deny, disrupt, or defeat and degrade adversaries’ ability to use global licit and illicit financial networks to negatively affect U.S. interests.'
asciilifeform: (followed by a few kb of mostly generic usg claptrap)
mircea_popescu: and this is remarkable why ?
mircea_popescu: they got a stretched asshole the size of the gulf, and they're gonna work towards stitching it back together ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck else would it say.
asciilifeform did not read whole thing
asciilifeform: hence feeding it to connoisseurs
mircea_popescu: the problem here is that dod is uniquely unequipped to do this. this is a job for the ss, which is WHY they handlwe counterfitting in the first place.
mircea_popescu: except ss knows enough about this to not want to touch it, so the aspirational down kids over at dod get a chance to shine.
asciilifeform: there is not a meaningful separation between various seekrit skvirrels in usa today
asciilifeform: (if there ever once was.)
mircea_popescu: oh but there is.
mircea_popescu: the only kind that counts : by intellect.
asciilifeform: quite a bit of lateral motion and unclear separation of concern between the spetzagencies
asciilifeform: e.g., nsa is civilian-staffed but managed largely by active or retired dod folk
mircea_popescu: sure. but it still works exactly like it worked in the other soviet union.
mircea_popescu: ie, the real-special guys despise the wanna-be-special guys
mircea_popescu: which is why nsa is the internet forum pisspot.
asciilifeform: iirc ss handled the known/public aspects of the mtgox dekulakization ?
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