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sexy_saffron: !register D170 2BB1 EE05 7FAA 3ED1 34AA 9228 37F6 B1FC 09A3
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
BingoBoingo: no spaces this time
BingoBoingo: Sweet asciilifeform
sexy_saffron: !register D1702BB1EE057FAA3ED134AA922837F6B1FC09A3
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: D1702BB1EE057FAA3ED134AA922837F6B1FC09A3. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key B1FC09A3 / "Saffron Bacchus <sexy_miss_safron@hotmail.com>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
BingoBoingo: congrats
sexy_saffron: thank you!
BingoBoingo: !v assbot:BingoBoingo.rate.sexy_saffron.1:2c59b99541364a01369da6c4cab948cf90b5ce847dd87a623e75c7d93883c776
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for sexy_saffron with note: not so new blood
sexy_saffron: if assbot has a separate WoT from gribble, does that mean it won't show up on my bitcoin-otc profile?
BingoBoingo: to be determined, but for the meantime yes
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform sent mircea_popescu 'V' version 100K.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu unfortunately i have not had time to write a manual. let's see if you can figure out how it works.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hey sexy_saffron how's the internet treatin' ya
mircea_popescu: !rate sexy_saffron 1 Ask to see her tits.
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/916dd348b3aaba07
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.sexy_saffron.1:e5782c5ebf0f642efa5e359659b5e9b9f9eda46115e2ff1e6fce817f507f4e6e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for sexy_saffron with note: Ask to see her tits.
assbot: WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgEB47 )
mircea_popescu: mats isn't this how us middle east politics have been playing out since the 50s ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu !
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 04:09:36; *: asciilifeform sent mircea_popescu 'V' version 100K.
mircea_popescu: gettin' to it ey.
mats: mircea_popescu: yep. one step forward, two steps back
mircea_popescu: pickle_support.o << lulz of all time tbh
asciilifeform: dear satan
asciilifeform: is that from mine
asciilifeform: in terms of packages, it needs 'python-gnupg' and that's it
asciilifeform: (and notably NOT 'gnupg', if you have that one installed it will croak)
assbot: dpaste: 1FKDWVR ... ( http://bit.ly/1UgFgT8 )
mircea_popescu: !up sexy_saffron
mircea_popescu: see if you can self-voice.
sexy_saffron: !up sexy_saffron
mircea_popescu: gotta say it in private message to assbot. /query assbot
sexy_saffron: it says successful! :)
mircea_popescu: well done!
mircea_popescu: so how've you been ?
sexy_saffron: Thank you!
sexy_saffron: I've been great, how about you?
mircea_popescu: hey, do you play videogames ?
mircea_popescu: ever consider doing one of those "naked saffron reviews videogames" things ?
sexy_saffron: that would be cool, but I'm mostly into older games
mircea_popescu: that only makes it better.
sexy_saffron: UT2003, wow, elite force...
mircea_popescu: new games suck anyway
sexy_saffron: I suppose I could do gameplay vids on our private wow server, showing all the bugs :P
sexy_saffron: youtube hates me though :P
mircea_popescu: and then you could have a vote button, let the readers vote on whether you should be spanked or not for the review.
mircea_popescu: one vote = one paddle.
mircea_popescu: ah, talk to naphex, he'd prolly host it
sexy_saffron: that would be a fun way to use coloured coins :P
thestringpuller: sexy_saffron: but I'm mostly into older games << care to name a few?
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 04:30:25; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://dpaste.com/1FKDWVR ?
sexy_saffron: dennis and I like to play lan games together, like UT2003, minecraft, call of duty mw, our wow server
sexy_saffron: and lots of ipad games :P
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if i change it you'll have to resign ?
mircea_popescu: i mean re-sign lol
asciilifeform: while you're at it, try... running it
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what makes you think i personally run software
asciilifeform: mebbe this is one of those magic dragons that will only ever run on this here box.
mircea_popescu: but i don't. i personally fuck, yes, i personally cook, rarely. but computors ?!
asciilifeform: feed it to a pet, then.
mircea_popescu: i need more pets ;/
mircea_popescu: who fucking knew that cli will become the bottleneck as i age ffs.
mircea_popescu: i've been running a whore to geek conversion program for a year now, it's fucking shameful.
asciilifeform: 'v' oughta be a major pill against this kind of grind.
asciilifeform: the thing actually works.
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - anyone looking to hire junior coders : hire at the strip club. about 10x better results than cs undergrad programme)
asciilifeform: takes patches, sigs - and shits out coherent animal, on demand
mircea_popescu: you dun have to sell me on my own god damned idea!111!!11
sexy_saffron: loosely related, the reddit camgirls are starting to get really good at css :P
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron loosely indeed :D
sexy_saffron: so if I want to set up with the bitcoin-otc wot, do I need to redo everything on that channel?
mircea_popescu: notrly, just send your gpg to gribble
mircea_popescu: i dun recall the syntax but it was pretty straightforward. maybe ;;eregister it was ?
sexy_saffron: ah ok, I'll try that out
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aww my genesis sig didn't make it in!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a fucking demo
asciilifeform: hardly anybody's anything made it in
mircea_popescu: BUTTHURT
asciilifeform: except for my spew
asciilifeform: aaaaand....
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al:
assbot: [BTC-dev] V. (ver. 100K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQqQGr )
imsaguy: sexy_saffron: ;;register, ;;eregister, ;;bcregister all work depending on your preferred method of auth.
sexy_saffron: I've been trying ;;eregister but it says the nick is already registered and to try another
tripleslash: which nick are you attempting to register under?
tripleslash: ;;gpg info sexy_saffron
sexy_saffron: sexy_saffron
gribble: User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul 4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
tripleslash: yeah, it looks like you registered a year ago
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform proof that your computing sucks : your thing is 480k, mine is 380k.
mircea_popescu: get better computing.
sexy_saffron: yep, is there a way to add my gpg key though?
tripleslash: so while auth'd with your bitcoin address, you can do a ;;changekey or ;;echangekey which will add your gpg
mircea_popescu: ;;rated sexy_saffron
gribble: You have not yet rated user sexy_saffron
tripleslash: ;;gettrust sexy_saffron
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user imsaguy to user sexy_saffron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=imsaguy&dest=sexy_saffron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sexy_saffron | Rated since: Fri Jul (1 more message)
tripleslash: no trust :(
sexy_saffron: woo! I think that worked!
tripleslash: ;;gpg info sexy_saffron
gribble: User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul 4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
mircea_popescu: trinque she's ok, did hm... where was that
sexy_saffron: Thanks tripleslash!
tripleslash: sexy_saffron: its not don eyet.
mircea_popescu: anyone got a link to sexy_saffron s video @ TLP was it ?
tripleslash: err, done yet.
gabriel_laddel: twas for taleb
gabriel_laddel: she giggles throughout iirc
sexy_saffron: yeah! I saw he did really well with his hedge fund during the first crash
mircea_popescu: ah so it was.
tripleslash: sexy_saffron: [e]changekey is a two step process. You have to prove you have the private key.
sexy_saffron: it didn't ask me to sign anything, it just said successful, what's the next step?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov what happened to the beautiful idea of NOT FUCKING MUTILATING FILENAMES ?!!!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
tripleslash: when you do the changekey, it'll either send you a pastebin that you need to decrypt or a otp that you need to encrypt.
tripleslash: you use verify/everify depending on which way you're choosing to go.
sexy_saffron: ah ok, it did link me to a message, which decrypted looks like the authentication phrase
sexy_saffron: what's the difference between verify and everify?
tripleslash: verify goes with changekey. everify goes with echangekey.
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 18:17:13; gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209698 << I would pay for a video of Stoya reciting PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY + a few other Schwartz works while being fucked.
tripleslash: so if you did echangekey, you need to decrypt and send back to gribble via everify otp:blahblahblah
gabriel_laddel: !up sexy_saffron
sexy_saffron: yay! I think it worked!
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so why tell her ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: she is involved in the pornography industry in some capacity?
sexy_saffron: I'm always open to custom videos.... ;)
mircea_popescu: what's this, "you from new york, ever heard of joe also from new york" to the power of five ?
gabriel_laddel: nah, more along the lines of "I'm a programmer" "orly, do you grok lisp? What the primary advantages that haskell's type system provides? Ada's test suite: comments?"
tripleslash: sexy_saffron, yes it did. congrats!
gabriel_laddel: it'll spark an interesting conversation - or not.
tripleslash: sexy_saffron: now get some lvl 2 trust in here so you can !up to assbot
gabriel_laddel: in any case, it tells me if I'm at all interested in the individual
punkman: advantages of haskell: https://xkcd.com/1312/
assbot: xkcd: Haskell ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQrSlS )
sexy_saffron: I get 1759480
sexy_saffron: thanks again tripleslash!
sexy_saffron: I often rely on the kindness of strangers ;)
mircea_popescu: tripleslash she has that already.
sexy_saffron: well I'm going to go to bed, but you guys let me know if you want me to do a custom video! :P sexy_miss_saffron@hotmail.com
sexy_saffron: goodnight! :)
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
assbot: [BTC-dev] V. (ver. 99K) ... ( http://bit.ly/1fQt08V )
tripleslash: mircea_popescu: my bad.
mircea_popescu: how've YOU been doin' anyway
mircea_popescu: not so hot ?
tripleslash: Just nothing remarkable at the moment.
assbot: Bitcoin XT - uncensored Bitcoin discussion ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEKRLM )
mircea_popescu: nothing about XT outside of "With 58+% of the miners voting for BIP100 and less than 1% voting for XT/BIP101. XT doesn't seem likely to happen (soon). What will happen now?"
mircea_popescu: what could happen young padawan ? you were on the wrong side of history. again.
mircea_popescu: yes, so was "everyone else". awwww.
punkman: "Just landed at SFO, border control saw my @BitX shirt and asked if I was carrying more than USD10,000 in #bitcoin - how times have changed"
trinque: "Uh. No?
trinque: ...laggy terminal
punkman: !up Vexual
trinque: I'm just barely curious what their definition of carrying is, if they have one.
Vexual: you anus might be inspected
mircea_popescu: "hello sir are you carrying more than $10k in real estate ?"
mircea_popescu: "are you an idiot ?"
punkman: I guess they might think that bitcoin comes in physical coins only
mircea_popescu: "yes, the forever anal love of your mom's worth well over $10k!"
punkman: asciilifeform would quote babbage :P
Vexual: cunt'd quoth many
assbot: Trilema ... ( http://bit.ly/1MWUGq2 )
tripleslash: I love that that the rallying cry for XT is "But censorship!"
Vexual: and the wavy hand of the law would send him on his vexed way
trinque looks
mircea_popescu: and the original vision of satoshi!
mircea_popescu: who actually went to the trouble of writing a letter specifically to diss xt and the two shitheads involved.
tripleslash: I'd bet most that invoke the original vision of satoshi haven't even bothered to read his paper.
Vexual: that was you
mircea_popescu: much like most that invoke the original vision of jesus.
Vexual: shitstains et all
tripleslash: there are about as many eye witness accounts of both
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, the original vision of the founding fathers folks are plainly innocent of the federalist papers.
mircea_popescu: or so on.
tripleslash: all we need now is some toast
Vexual: chin shin
tripleslash: At the end of the day, Satoshi isn't around to continue to shepherd his project (at least by the satoshi name), so his original vision starts to lose relevance.
Vexual: he left a pretty heady resolve
punkman: I doubt satoshi expected bitcoin to come this far
mircea_popescu: most likely did not.
cazalla: evenin'
tripleslash: nah, morning
deedbot-: [Trilema] No Such lAbs releases V for Victory. - http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-releases-v-for-victory/
trinque: ^ weird, it had a stuck connection on port 80.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gents please read the V, in whatever place you might favour.
trinque: maybe the python RSS guy needs a timeout; I'll mess with it
punkman: trinque: not uncommon if you don't have timeouts
Vexual: so read
Vexual: cazalla, any crash?
cazalla: Vexual, only in the temperature, apparently this winter was the coldest Melbourne has had in 26 years but spring is here tomorrow so who cares
Vexual: bring on summer
trinque: punkman: socket.setdefaulttimeout(30) << seems reasonable right?
punkman: trinque: that might not be HTTP timeout
trinque: doesn't look like feedparser has its own knob for timeout
punkman: trinque: try adding a timeout in the urllib call
trinque: feedparser doesn't hand it up as a parameter
trinque: it uses urllib, but deep in the bowels
mats: the for else construct oughta be replaced with a list comprehension IMO, re: V-genesis
mats: or something else, although it is mostly an issue of style (and I thought alf abhorred py idioms?) so maybe fuck me right
mats: coincidentally Knuth is responsible for this keyword
mats: fun fact: The x86 BCD instructions have undocumented support for other bases.
assbot: Sun: x86 Instruction Set Reference ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGmwkX )
trinque: this v.py is sublime. I've been playing with it for a while.
trinque: neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 20:47:31; mod6: ;;later tell davout You did test out rotor w/TEST2 or stator this month right? Or did I mis-remember that?
assbot: UDP flood DDoS attacks against XT nodes | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2XPV9 )
assbot: Barclays to become first UK high street bank to accept bitcoin | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q2YYfq )
punkman: ... "as it starts taking charity donations in the virtual currency"
punkman: "It has around 75 staff looking into bitcoin and block chain at offices in Notting Hill and Old Street, close to the City of London."
shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-micropayments-faraday-freelance-market/ "Hey guys, we can still make pennies on the hour, but with BITCOIN!"
assbot: Bitcoin Micropayment Service Targets Global Freelancers ... ( http://bit.ly/1KnhwYQ )
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257025 <-- Declare your copy of the chain. Yes, I happen to be carrying ~all~ the bitcoins sir.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 06:59:30; punkman: "Just landed at SFO, border control saw my @BitX shirt and asked if I was carrying more than USD10,000 in #bitcoin - how times have changed"
funkenstein_: mornin' lords and ladies
funkenstein_ once tried to be economically independent; nearly broke his back
funkenstein_ runs of to play with "fau"
shinohai: mornin funkenstein.
funkenstein_: shinohai how are things?
shinohai: not bad here funkenstein_ having coffee and logs, you?
funkenstein_: not bad thanks, on a train :)
assbot: Say No to the California Bitcoin License ... ( http://bit.ly/1NItjBt )
shinohai likes trains
shinohai: Welp looks like that moron chicagoschooler deleted his reddit AND twitter.
shinohai: He provided so many lulz. Shall be missed.
shinohai: I find Miley Cyrus so absolutely disgusting irl, no need for embellishments.
punkman: shinohai: most pics I've seen of her are disgusting indeed
punkman: I quite like that one though
assbot: Eamon feat Ghostface Killah - I Love Them Ho's.mpg - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGD00T )
assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1PGDtQH )
fluffypony: "He's currently the CTO of Etherparty"
fluffypony: what's the point of titles if they're meaningless
fluffypony: I'm currently the king of Fuckistania
funkenstein_: i wanna see your business card
fluffypony: funkenstein_: I said Fuckistania, not Funkensteinia :-P
funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue
assbot: dpaste: 0PDMS1X ... ( http://bit.ly/1UhnJu6 )
punkman: who's the CTO of Fuckistania?
fluffypony: punkman: some 14 year old kid, it's all a competition to see who has the youngest staff
fluffypony: I've been trying to recruit a 3-year-old from a few houses down, but the parents keep looking at me funny and taking their kid inside when I bring the paperwork for him to sign
punkman: you should sponsor a hackathon at the local kindergarten
funkenstein_: that will turn some VC heads methinks
shinohai: I modified my juice box to pick up whispers and cheat at cut and paste.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 05:03:45; mircea_popescu: anyone got a link to sexy_saffron s video @ TLP was it ?
assbot: Attracting Taleb and TLP to #bitcoin-assets… With Camgirls | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LNHftz )
pete_dushenski: tlp video removed by yt, taleb one still up
pete_dushenski: one of contravex' 10-15 most popular articles, month in and month out
shinohai: Good article pete_dushenski I hadn't read that on Sexy Saffron
pete_dushenski: it hasn't brought either of them here yet but the internet's a big place
pete_dushenski: even for bright folks, the noise can be deafening
pete_dushenski: 'specially if you're on the wrong side of 50 a la taleb
pete_dushenski: (not sure how old tlp is)
pete_dushenski: "The free-market system has salient flaws and hidden benefits. All other systems have hidden flaws and salient benefits." -herr taleb
pete_dushenski: " Note that it costs only a few dollars a day for someone to zap systematically suspicious posters who have not participated on this page before." -herr taleb, apparently learning to deal better with trolls and other internet phenomena
pete_dushenski: taleb's learning!
pete_dushenski wonders if there'd be any action on a bitbet as to whether taleb shows up here in the next year
pete_dushenski suspects he's 3-5 years away
shinohai: Taleb rejected your offer of a BTC just to show up?
pete_dushenski: y'know i can't even recall if i made him that offer before i was in b-a or not
pete_dushenski: iirc i just offered him a btc outright just to play with
pete_dushenski: of course, the tweet in question was sent from an account that's since been mothballed
pete_dushenski: so i dunno when exactly i sent it
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/471340967954374657 << in case anyone can decipher these urls and make out a timestamp
shinohai: Ok camgirls failed to entice so perhaps he is immune to pr0n.
pete_dushenski: not sure i'd call sexy_saffron representative of all camgirls, nor camgirls representative of all porn, but ya, this arrow missed
shinohai: She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy.
shinohai: *savvy
shinohai: "Mining for bitcoin" is what got my node shut down on hashbang
pete_dushenski: "These aren't naive amateurs; they are clever hackers who are willfully stealing for their own selfish gain. It’s a small group – 1/100 of a percent of our 59 million customers – but some of them are using as much as 2 terabytes (2,000GB!) of data in a month. I’m not sure what they are doing with it – stealing wireless access for their entire business, powering a small cloud servic
pete_dushenski: e, providing broadband to a small city, mining for bitcoin -- but I really don’t care!" -john legere, ceo and president of t-mobile
shinohai: !up nanashi_
shinohai: But, automatically bitcoin is shady with a lot of providers even if you are prefectly willing to pay increased prices for service
shinohai: + data
nanashi_: Hello, Mr. mircea_popescu.
nanashi_: I'd like to ask a question about "What if I created a bet address but can't bet right now?"(https://bitbet.us/faq/#150), which states 3-day window for betting.
nanashi_: Is there any remedial action due to the damage caused by the "stress-testing" which was occurring on the BTC network?
nanashi_: I have realized that "faq/#150" is potentially very dangerous to almost all bettors given the unpredictable "stress-testing" which might occur in the future.
nanashi_: For example, it was reported (https://bitbet.us/bet/1153/btc-to-top-350-before-september/#c4934) that 0.1 BTC vote on yes with a fee of .00001 took 5 days until the first confirmation.
punkman: pay more fees, problem solved
nanashi_: During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding.
nanashi_: Also, I'm wondering if it is possible, that by monitoring "mempool" of BTC transactions, BitBet can anticipate that the bet address is to be used by a bettor, so be able to make it exempt from reclaiming the address.
nanashi_: punkman: Yes. But I anticipate a bigger incident will inevitably occur due to a 1MB thing.
pete_dushenski: !gettrust nanashi_
assbot: nanashi_ is not registered in WoT.
pete_dushenski: doesn't look like you're in any sort of position to make 'recommendations' to how bitbet does anything
nanashi_: pete_dushenski: I'm sorry. All I can do is monitoring BTC network's statistics and pay enough fees. Thank you.
pete_dushenski: don't mention it
nanashi_: Those were my worry-ness. I have never thought "faq/#150" had much meaning because I thought forgetting for 3 days seemed to be a complete idiot!
thestringpuller: hey pete_dushenski how goes fatherhood? :D
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << i expect a number of people will have this issue! turns out there are TWO gnupg call-out libs for python: 'gnupg' and 'python-gnupg'. i uses the latter. one of these was written by a human, and another is the same, taken by an imbecile who decided to carve his initials into it by changing field names. i do not know still which is which.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 11:22:21; funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue
asciilifeform: ;;later tell funkenstein_ if you have 'gnupg', and your system has 'pip', 'pip uninstall gnupg; pip install python-gnupg'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257082 << i loathe python per se. but the only realistic alternative was perl. (my original attempts at 'v' were in awk/sed, and did not work very well)
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 07:29:27; mats: or something else, although it is mostly an issue of style (and I thought alf abhorred py idioms?) so maybe fuck me right
asciilifeform: there aren't too many scripting languages that everybody already has on their box.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 08:30:08; trinque: neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures.
asciilifeform: also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
assbot: dpaste: 2D3SRQF: V Examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVgTq )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al ^^^
assbot: [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
shinohai *likes asciilifeform 's clever license
asciilifeform: shinohai: mircea_popescu dreamed it up
shinohai: nice.
assbot: A new software licensing paradigm on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGVObY )
shinohai: Fuck i hit paywall again and still have no way to purchase credits.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might want to put 'vdiff' in the footnotes on your article, as 'v' doesn't work without it; see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255918 for signed copy of 'vdiff'.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 20:01:42; trinque: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/1PHPHRE.txt
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: shinohai: one second
shinohai: ty thestringpuller
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << reposted here. << thanks asciilifeform! I'll check it out when I get a chance later.
assbot: [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257187 << can also put python-gnupg in a dir next to v.py if you don't want to install it globally
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 14:31:07; asciilifeform: ;;later tell funkenstein_ if you have 'gnupg', and your system has 'pip', 'pip uninstall gnupg; pip install python-gnupg'
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: we discovered the soother last night. best. invention. ever.
thestringpuller: the soother? wat dat?
pete_dushenski: (my apologies for the tardy responses y'all. i'm in and out of 'duty' atm. so i'm here, just sometimes delayed.)
thestringpuller: jury duty?
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with the teat?
ben_vulpes: congrats on V, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: i'll give it a read-through later today.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: 'dad duty'
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: nothing. necessary. not sufficient.
ben_vulpes: kidding aside, congrats señor
pete_dushenski: gracias amigo :)
ben_vulpes: bwaha the trousersnake oglaf
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: how's the first week going?
jurov: ;;later tell mircea_popescu mpex has some trouble, 15min old unacknowledged orders
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: no complaints really. he's an impressive little specimen. already lifting his head!
ben_vulpes: more curious about the lifestyle change, but that's good to hear as well.
pete_dushenski: (for those unawares, head-lifting normally takes place ~1-2 months in newborns)
ben_vulpes: how long did he gestate?
pete_dushenski: 9 months. to the day.
ben_vulpes: timely fucker!
jurov: was he reading #b-a in the womb?
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: as to lifestyle changes, nothing overwhelming really. helps that neither of us have an office job stealing us away so we can take as much time as we need to adapt, lean, and cope
ben_vulpes: quelle privilege
pete_dushenski: jurov: b-a pretty much lit the fuse for his conception, at least or so i theorise
jurov: ^ possible alf's antifuse rom implemntation?
jurov: one child per bit
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ << tumultuous, almost fiery time. pretty much 9 months ago exactly.
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDCstP )
pete_dushenski: "This isn’t to say, from some perspectives, that I haven’t tried to hang myself. I have. From the outside looking in at this institution-cum-“cult,” my regurgitation and therefore implicit condonation of rape and sexual slavery, whether I intended these terms in the literal or simply as useful metaphors for domination, isn’t always clearly conveyed to the reader. As such, some hot
pete_dushenski: water have I brought to boil with friends and family. Certainly nothing irresolvable, and no interventions have yet been attempted, but being a Reactionary isn’t always smooth sailing."
pete_dushenski: ^specifically
pete_dushenski: but hey, just my pet theory as to the passions of life.
pete_dushenski: well, of life and of *creating* life
mike_c: congrats pete! any cute pics?
mats: mpoe sleeps
mike_c: hehe. well the *baby* is very cute :)
pete_dushenski: he's lucky that he looks very little like his dad then !
mike_c: that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat
jurov: mats, now that you say it...
assbot: Family Guy - Peter Breast feeding Stewie - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EvW4ig )
mike_c: lol. nice.
mike_c: well mazeltov and enjoy. they don't stay small long.
pete_dushenski: cheers mike :D
jurov: ANN: coinbr in snafu mode (no trading) till mpex is fixed
BingoBoingo: <nanashi_> During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding. << SOmetime on Day 2 double spend the coins with a higher fee so the miners want it.
punkman: ;;ud snafu
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SNAFU | One of a progression of military situational indicators: 1. SNAFU - Situation Normal, All Fucked Up - Thing are running normally. 2. TARFUN - Thing...
jurov: why, yes, normal situation here
jurov: unrelated to this, it is kinda rotating mpex.co .bz .ws etc. proxies and *always* at least one is inaccessible due to "Temporary failure in name resolution"
mike_c: interesting. you think that's because of flaky name servers?
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 14:53:37; kakobrekla: its generally wise to avoid dns where possible
assbot: FCC Introduces Rules Banning WiFi Router Firmware Modification | Hackaday ... ( http://bit.ly/1Etrjdu )
jurov: not looked deeper into it, and it happens independently at multiple locations
trinque: shinohai: so fuck their "wifi"
shinohai: agreed
shinohai: Routers aren't any fun if you can't attach a pringles yagi
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in
ascii_field: basic idea here is an attempted ban on cheap chinese 'we won't lift a finger to enforce usg diktat' chipsets
trinque: time to accept that you're a criminal merely by being a thinking person.
trinque: I chucked a bit to see that they specifically mention DD-WRT, but I'm not that surprised
ascii_field: i suspect that they are specifically working on abolishing esp8266, etc
ascii_field: !s esp8266
assbot: 17 results for 'esp8266' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=esp8266
ascii_field: 'Actually, this applies to the whole device. The article is wrong that it only applies to the radio. If the device contain a radio capable of acting in the 5GHz band, then firmware Control must be secured for the whole device, even if the parameters for the wireless Communication is locked in hardware. Note that even if you as a device manufacturer can certify in point 2 that the radio itself do contain hardware locks
ascii_field: preventing the firmware from operating the device outside of permitted ranges, the device still needs to comply with firmware security.'
trinque: firmware security lol
trinque: we're outright banning inventive behavior
trinque: we'll be dead within a decade :p
ascii_field: long ago banned chemistry
trinque: well that's understandable isn't it? chemicals are dangerous!
trinque: I hear they're putting chemicals in food
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nanashi_ there isn't any remedial for anything. bitcoin payments are entirely the responsibility of the payer. that's what "be your own banker" means.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: 'The FCC specifically cites DD-WRT as an unacceptable modified firmware.'
mircea_popescu: jurov aha, being worked on.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wait what ?!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see thread
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this mean, "unacceptable modified firmware". it's not fucking firmware to begin iwith
shinohai: I must move from the US and expatriate if DD-WRT is outlawed.
ascii_field: Official ban proposed on open source anything in any apparatus containing a radio (5GHz at first, but usg sop camel nose)
ascii_field: (and not simply open source, but anything non-nintendoized)
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
mircea_popescu: who the fuck listens to these twerps anymore even.
ascii_field: customs officials do.
mircea_popescu: so they gotta be shot.
ascii_field: general-purpose computing has been disappearing for 20 years without so much as a squeak, much less shots ringing out
mircea_popescu: ascii_field btw got anything re that tx?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not as of 3 hrs ago
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this really calls for debug instrumentation that the node in question does not presently have
mircea_popescu: did you actually see it ?
ascii_field: i did not.
mircea_popescu: as in trying to come in ?
mircea_popescu: what the ef.
ascii_field: might need to tcpdump, 'wireshark' it.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 07:29:53; mats: coincidentally Knuth is responsible for this keyword
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nuts.
ascii_field: bitcoin-as-it-is is not really debuggable meaningfully without packet capture. sadly.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 08:28:38; trinque: this v.py is sublime. I've been playing with it for a while.
trinque: The data-structure's *the thing*, and there's nothing obscuring it. Seeing it done that way, obviously it's the right way to do it.
mircea_popescu: trinque sounds like someone from 2030 who discovered that yes the web runs on urls.
mircea_popescu: "but it would be so much better and ~easier~ for the user if the url went away!!11"
trinque: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15772 @ 0.00068929 = 10.8715 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: indeed I do
mircea_popescu: yeah. for the dumb "user".
trinque: truly, just looking at v.py make something quite clear about what this whole "end user experience" thing has caused
mircea_popescu: fuck the end user with a pointed stick.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1872 @ 0.00068624 = 1.2846 BTC [-] {16}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257115 << srsly, she's just some random teenager. interesting for the people who like to [fantasize about] fucking teenagers for as long as she's a teenager.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 11:09:29; shinohai: I find Miley Cyrus so absolutely disgusting irl, no need for embellishments.
ascii_field: trinque: i must dourly remind you that what you read was a very hasty and rough piece of work, that needs heavy work - particularly simplification of the graph walker
mircea_popescu: i bet they already got another one.
ascii_field: trinque: it also does not like broken chains, yet
ascii_field: trinque: or track history by-file
trinque: ascii_field: I'm referring to the theory behind the way it was designed, mostly
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: she's actually not a teenager she's > 21
mircea_popescu: in other words, plenty of space to contribute.
ascii_field: trinque: the theory isn't changing, aha
thestringpuller: dunno your definition of teenager tho :P
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller she also doesn't matter anymore, used to 5 years ago.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257124 << but you could be Pony, the CEO of Fluff, a new start-up passionate about changing the world!
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 11:20:07; fluffypony: what's the point of titles if they're meaningless
ascii_field: trinque, mircea_popescu, et al: there is another fine point re: 'v' that i'm a little surprised nobody asked about. how it does not distinguish signers from authors. it does not do this because it is physically impossible, other than via deedbot etc., and i am not in the business of promising the impossible.
trinque: ^ certain things are a fine task for some other program
ascii_field: see the discussion of pgp key timestamps some months back
trinque: I think releases are the same thing, just point from elsewhere to designate a release
mircea_popescu: ascii_field what do you mean distinguish ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's a STEALTH STARTUP
fluffypony: waiting for acquisition
punkman: might be nice to add couple more bits of metadata in vdiffs
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: notice how all seals (signatures) are treated alike.
mircea_popescu: aww shit did i blow the embargoo ?
fluffypony: we don't actually *do* anything, but we're waiting for acquisition
mircea_popescu: ascii_field but what distinguish!
ascii_field: punkman: what metadata.
trinque: punkman: no!
mircea_popescu: what, substantially, would you be distinguishing.
trinque: point inward from elsewhere
trinque: descriptions and shit; we've got hypertext
punkman: ascii_field: say author's fingerprint?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the only timestamps worth anything are deedbot's
mircea_popescu: explain the concept to me in general.
mircea_popescu: so you write a song, and play it here. sometime later, i play this song for my hos.
trinque: I briefly thought "what about metadata in the vpatches" then slapped myself
mircea_popescu: define the concept of "author" ; distinguish it fromn the concept of "signator"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my point was precisely that it is a spurious distinction, and that i do not make it in the system; and that anyone who wants to try to be remembered as the first one to pen a particular patch had better deedbot his signature
mircea_popescu: so what does "author" mean ?
mircea_popescu: alrighty. so why would anyone ask you anything about this :)
mircea_popescu: "hey guise, i get no shit for doing things right, my worn out butt is surprised. what is this!"
trinque: well here's something, not having one "working dir" concept, but rather "fart out any chain of patches wherever you like" is exactly right
mircea_popescu: the concept of "who pissed in chlorine first" is very much different from the concept of "who knows how to make never gas"
mircea_popescu: the former's a purely historical interest. the latter's practical.
fluffypony: never gas?
mircea_popescu: nerve lol
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 18:52:16; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go.
mircea_popescu: can i has reading the log at my own pace onoes!
mircea_popescu ties up alf to a chair while he reads the logs.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mmmhmmmhm.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 12:54:31; pete_dushenski: tlp video removed by yt, taleb one still up
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << did you use the wrong package, ie the one alf warned will blow up ?
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 11:22:21; funkenstein_: http://dpaste.com/0PDMS1X <-- V config issue
ascii_field: he did.
mircea_popescu: THAT i should put in a footnote.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << possibly also this set of example
assbot: [BTC-dev] V examples. ... ( http://bit.ly/1MXJGZq )
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 13:33:07; shinohai: She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy.
assbot: Internet story on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJb6DR )
mircea_popescu: cum biology undegrad.
BingoBoingo: Apparently wifi rules was pushed out in March? Why suddenly panic now and not then?
trinque: so my ddwrt router is illegal?
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: frog boiler sop
ascii_field: ideally frog never notices at all
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257165 << unclear what business t mobile has on the internet then.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 13:37:23; pete_dushenski: e, providing broadband to a small city, mining for bitcoin -- but I really don’t care!" -john legere, ceo and president of t-mobile
mircea_popescu: ftr, "2 terabytes (2,000GB!) of data in a month" is
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2*10**12 / 30 / 24 / 3600 / 1024
gribble: 753.520447531
ascii_field: ^ i read their faq thing, very precious. it made me recall the last footnote in mircea_popescu's 'new software license' article
mircea_popescu: 753 kbps
ascii_field: (anybody have it handy?)
mircea_popescu: which is WAY less than what tyhey are advertising, iu am sure.
mircea_popescu: "we sell people 5mb connections. evil hackers use about 7% of this. american business world ftw!"
ascii_field: standard bezzlatronic reaction to Evil Witches finding some trick for using their dollarz, which were given to them to real-estate-bubblate, to illicitly buy actual solid turkeys
mircea_popescu: quite exactly that.
ascii_field: not a thing that can be permitted
mircea_popescu: such derp.
ascii_field: the fraud isn't that they won't give out free bandwidth, but insist on advertising 'unlimited' while in practice entirely opposite
mircea_popescu: they actually advertise unlimited ?
trinque: oh yeah.
mircea_popescu: if they do, i taker it back.
ascii_field: 'eat as much as you want so long as it is not too much by our lights'
mircea_popescu: "unlimited" has for many years meant "enough for your needs if you don't need much", which is finbe.
mircea_popescu: i thought they advertised 20 MBps like my provider in ro or something specific.
trinque: they also make claims about LTE speed
ascii_field: there was a rate in there
ascii_field: the 'unlimited' refers to bulk tonnage
mircea_popescu: well if there's a rate they're frauds.
trinque: point is words don't mean shit, and the rules are intentionally arbitrary because "fuck you"
mircea_popescu: as i somehow suspect that rate comes with mbps after a number.
mircea_popescu: trinque not in contracts.
ascii_field: t-mobile ~specifically~ pushes itself as 'we don't have a tonnage limit!!111'
trinque: well I would agree.
ascii_field: 'not like the others!'
trinque: mircea_popescu: they worm around it with "up to x Mbps"
mircea_popescu: even so.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> t-mobile ~specifically~ pushes itself as 'we don't have a tonnage limit!!111' << This they advertise X speed for first Y transfer and after that max tonnage at best effort speed
ascii_field: they relied on it being 'smartpNohe only' for the limiter
ascii_field: understanding being that there is nothing bandwidth-heavy to do on a pocket phone
mircea_popescu: oooo i see
mircea_popescu: right right makes sense now.
ascii_field: then folks installed openvpn etc on the thing.
ascii_field: suddenly 'you bastards, refusing to use typical sheepNohe, terrorists'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44767 @ 0.0006894 = 30.8624 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9938 @ 0.00069403 = 6.8973 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: mircea_popescu: 753 kbps << 1mbps gets you 320gb/month or so
ascii_field: it is the inevitable fate of kolhoz: when thing is 'free' and shared, suddenly there are 'hogs' and 'freeloaders' and 'decent people'
ascii_field: instead of just buyers and sellers
mircea_popescu: punkman obviously the people in question left a tracker on continuously.
trinque: I called american messaging about a pager... 400 message limit a month then overage, but at least they are up-front about it
ascii_field: trinque: the cap is largely to keep folks from doing things like controlling model airplanes with'em
mircea_popescu: but.... why ?!
trinque: yeah sounds fun
ascii_field: It Would Be Wrong
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you want to PREVENT people from using things
mircea_popescu: wtf is this, being chinese ?
ascii_field: because kolho
ascii_field: if used, suddenly the bezzle is revealed
jurov: mircea_popescu: noticed the mpex orders were published, it's safe to resume everything?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes.
mircea_popescu: should be fine.
ascii_field: which is that there is nowhere near enough capacity for 1% of what was actually bought
mircea_popescu: ascii_field republished v article if you care.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and for that matter, DECENT AMERICANS don't get sick.
mircea_popescu: they just "have" health insurance.
ascii_field: of course.
mircea_popescu is suddenly reminded of romania of the 80s
trinque expects that his desire to be radio-silent must look terrorist-y to some moron, if he bothered to look
mircea_popescu: i wonder if the market for gold is in the same situation.
trinque: if not now, it will
mircea_popescu: maybe i should stop being such a terrorist "destabilizing the situation"
trinque: isn't that like these "circuit breakers" at stock exchanges?
ascii_field: 1200+ trips in one day, recently, according to the birdcage liner
assbot: Trading was halted 1,200 times Monday - Aug. 24, 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJcTZG )
ascii_field: one ~trading~ day.
trinque: yep
mircea_popescu: ascii_field used to be one a year.
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 17:08:58; mircea_popescu: mod6 "our free market is this thing you can only buy!!1"
mircea_popescu: now it's 1200 a day. and all that chewing paste and toothgum is there because they run the fucking bots in java
mircea_popescu: AND.THEY.SUCK.
ascii_field: plus the folks with the official bots need to be kept in cocaine
ascii_field: y'know, the ones who ~issue~ the 1200+ 'stop's
mircea_popescu: that part ain't hard.
trinque: sea of bullshit, where do you even begin
BingoBoingo: ;;nethash
gribble: 429426353.409
BingoBoingo: ;;calc (5/439.426)*100
gribble: 1.13784801081
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16400 @ 0.00069181 = 11.3457 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257192 << because todo lists are private matters. let thje interested make their own todo lists.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 14:35:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general.
ascii_field: well yes. but i put it in for a reason, because there are several things which i consider important which presently do not work correctly.
ascii_field: (it is possible to live without them, yes. but folks who try to display a broken flow graph will see ???)
mircea_popescu: and so they can fix it.
ascii_field: ^ perhaps i ought to explain. picture a patch mid-flow whose seal is annulled (removed, even if temporarily, from .wot)
mircea_popescu: really more a matter of style than anything, your own ml does include your own todo iirc
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257194 << re this, it might actually be a wise default to have "all or nothing". either you trust this person and follow their changes or you do not and follow none.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 14:36:31; asciilifeform: also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset
mircea_popescu: and if one's not happy with this arrangement, one should RESTATE what interests them, under their own sig.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00069181 = 10.1004 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: enforce the right balance between "keep updated!!11" and "fucking fork already" by default.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: can always specify --wot foundation --- dir containing ben_vulpes and mod6 keys only
mircea_popescu: was more talking about the cauise where you want half of x's patches.
ascii_field: anyway thing is made in such a way that operator is forced to remain aware of what patch set he is pressing
mircea_popescu: you'll be surprised.
ascii_field: and can always cp -r patches patchesprime; rm patchesprime/xxx .....
deedbot-: [Qntra] Small Mining Firm Takes Regulatory Compliance Pill, Moves to the Dark Side - http://qntra.net/2015/08/small-mining-firm-takes-regulatory-compliance-pill-moves-to-the-dark-side/
ascii_field: 'These companies are genuinely trying to do things right, to protect their customers, and prevent their businesses from facilitating criminal activity. We're proud to provide the KYC, fraud prevention, and monitoring technologies these businesses use to identify and prevent suspicious activity, as part of their AML program to comply with U.S. and international regulations.' << l0l!!
BingoBoingo: Seriously.
ascii_field: can't wait for the usg yottahash mining farm where you need a signature from hitler to get your tx baked into block
mircea_popescu: eh fuck that.
mircea_popescu: before that we'll fork it with new pow and better design.
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJeUVD )
mircea_popescu: HE doesn't.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 14:47:57; shinohai: Fuck i hit paywall again and still have no way to purchase credits.
mircea_popescu: ditych that shitty provider, w/e it is.
shinohai: mircea_popescu: only provider in this area is stoopid comcast or AT&T
shinohai: AT&T only has 4G
mircea_popescu: of email ?!
shinohai: no 4G mobile internet
shinohai: No router or anything u can hook anything to
mircea_popescu: my point is, if your email provider is eating your emails, try a different one.
jurov: shinohai you have only one email?
shinohai just realized mircea_popescu meant email
mircea_popescu: yes. iirc that was the problem, you never got the emails yes ?
shinohai: No jurov I actually bothered to make 2 xD
shinohai: that is correct. When I finish this install I got going I'll try to make a new addy
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 16:27:30; pete_dushenski: jurov: b-a pretty much lit the fuse for his conception, at least or so i theorise
trinque: provide your own email
trinque: how hard is postfix to set up?
trinque: not very
mircea_popescu: some people dun wanna run servers. i know i spent a while deliberately not doing it.
trinque: yeah, I'll admit it's a pain in the ass
jurov: since i happen to manage an email server already, if anyone in the wot is interested, can set up imap box
jurov: no spamfiltering or webmail tho
trinque: jurov: nice.
trinque: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ?
trinque: shinohai: one of those TP-Link guys will turn a 4g connection into a local hotspot
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257260 << lol teh experience of wiser men that came before.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 16:34:16; mike_c: that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat
trinque: I have a pile of tp-links; they're ok
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257273 << your dns calls might be rate limited somewhere ?
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 17:33:11; jurov: unrelated to this, it is kinda rotating mpex.co .bz .ws etc. proxies and *always* at least one is inaccessible due to "Temporary failure in name resolution"
trinque: if so, perhaps nscd would help
jurov: limited to less than one per minute? that would be very bad
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. but yes you're not the only one noticing this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34842 @ 0.00068965 = 24.0288 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 17:50:20; trinque: time to accept that you're a criminal merely by being a thinking person.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53908 @ 0.00068648 = 37.0068 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: perhaps that's overly broad. I understand there to have been a time where one could experiment with radio equipment or do chemistry in their garage without being arrested.
mircea_popescu: because at that time it couldn't have been that you'd do anything useful.
mircea_popescu: so yes in weimar, no in 3rd reich.
trinque: I could easily see the point that the useful are always dangerous.
ascii_field: very yes in '80 su
mircea_popescu: point being, the two options are either the tyranny of the many against the few, or the tyranny of the few against the many.
ascii_field: my brother made every major type of explosive (in small pieces), we set'em off in little vials buried in the ground at summer house.
mircea_popescu: alf had a dacha ?
ascii_field: we did!
mircea_popescu: "but who comes from a country where they own a pony to a non-pony owning country!"
ascii_field: it paid for the plane tickets, even.
ascii_field: (part of'em)
ascii_field: i recently 'google street'-ed the spot where it stood. neither it nor any of the neighbouring cottages remain
ascii_field: actual rich folks houses stand there now.
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 19:50:10; asciilifeform: my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:
trinque: ^lol!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10317 @ 0.00069404 = 7.1604 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: ascii_field incidentally you might appreciate http://trilema.com/2009/de-vorba-cu-gismo-smiley/
assbot: De vorba cu Gismo Smiley. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHgtRG )
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257323 << the 'else' keyword in the 'for else' python construct
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 18:06:56; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257083 << which keyword ?
mircea_popescu thought knuth predated python
mats: he does. he devised the construct in C for specific jump calls, and it was adapted into python iirc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24250 @ 0.00069733 = 16.9103 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: fucking internet. so : http://trilema.com/2013/internet-story/#comment-92994 references an "archive link"
assbot: Internet story on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwxddW )
mircea_popescu: which "archive" now says, "We are working hard to fix all the missing resources at Digital Inspiration. If you need anything urgent, please send me an email at amit@labnol.org."
mircea_popescu: fuck you amit.
ascii_field: ;;later tell mats http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-08-2015#1257084 << x64 doesn't have'em.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 07:47:23; mats: fun fact: The x86 BCD instructions have undocumented support for other bases.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00070306 = 8.7179 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10386 @ 0.00069516 = 7.2199 BTC [-]
assbot: backdooring your javascript using minifier bugs | discrete blogarithm ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHhJEp )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20614 @ 0.00069005 = 14.2247 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12197 @ 0.00068649 = 8.3731 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79925 @ 0.00068402 = 54.6703 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Jenga lost it's appeal in 1977.... ... ( http://bit.ly/1PHjGRf )
thestringpuller: http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/tickets/ << wow this is obscene. WHy is Coindesk still a thing?
ascii_field: kons3ns00s!!!
thestringpuller: 1500 for a standard ticket? nigga plz
mircea_popescu: lol about what bitcoin conference did neh ?
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 22:11:52; ascii_field: srsly, 'consensus' ?!
jurov: how is alf's dacha flushing outhouse toilet relevant?
thestringpuller: http://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2015/agenda/ << why would you pay 1500 to see this shit show?
ascii_field: jurov: thread concerned 'times and places hobby chemistry was not yet forbidden'
jurov: thestringpuller: who do you mean by "you"
jurov: i dun see any such niggers around here
ascii_field: prolly one of those things which no one is ever at on his own free will
ascii_field: other than the camp followers
thestringpuller: jurov: why would anyone*** << better ?
jurov: :)
assbot: Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide | The Linux Homefront Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwE871 )
jurov: $ machinectl shell
jurov: Connected to the local host. Press ^] three times within 1s to exit session.
trinque: wtf?
jurov: really, wtf.
trinque: "I understand this is confusing and unexpected, but well, that’s UNIX…"
jurov: never stumbled upon "su -"?
trinque: look that's confusing
jurov: and the x popup is spiffy. 'cuz xterminal can't be trusted with passwords
mircea_popescu: ahahaha systemd now su's ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7000 @ 0.00068844 = 4.8191 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00068844 = 9.6382 BTC [+]
punkman: "Next up: Systemd replaces “confusing” unix ls command with new and clean filectl command."
trinque: arsectl shit | mouthctl open
trinque: and really shouldn't the pipe be reimplemented to use dbus?
mircea_popescu: definitely.
trinque: meanwhile dbus really should have network connectivity (I'm going out on a limb assuming it still does not)
punkman: trinque: it does
trinque: mein gott
jurov: trinque i have recently read about it.. apparently it does but you have to disable all access control to use it :D
trinque: jurov: well certainly that's inconvenient.
punkman: trinque: it has been used to exploit a Jeep
trinque: oh is that how they got in?
trinque: and dbus was in the jeep?!
punkman: "A demonstration of the D-Bus problem is the recent Jeep hack by researchers Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek. The root problem was that D-Bus was openly (without authentication) accessible from the Internet."
trinque: dbus is among pulseaudio and other things I neuter the fuck out of my systems
trinque: punkman: glorious
punkman: when is pulseaudio getting merged in systemd
trinque: audioctl when, indeed.
jurov: and pr0nctl
trinque: this must be the singularity they were talking about
trinque: no one can stop the run-away shitification
jurov: then they will merge sql database and go where even microsoft did not dare
trinque: well hell, that CoreOS (which is a breeding ground for systemd nonsense) has etcd
trinque: so not sql, but yes a networked database for config
jurov: registry is already there (via gnome)
trinque: myup gconf, and there's another one I'm forgetting
trinque: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: all this also tastes great ! with a balanced diet of that gui-in-kernel-just-like-microshit that was being pushed to replace x11
punkman: etcd is a distributed k-v store thingy
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 21:35:43; jurov: and pr0nctl
shinohai imagines it might look similar to this: https://i.imgur.com/u9MrIO6.jpg
punkman: lol
jurov: KEEP THE EARTH WET AT ALL TIMES
trinque: shinohai: glorious... and then I notice the buttcrack tattoo
trinque: pornctl deny all from @tattoed
jurov: !pornctl bait
shinohai: ok, lemme find somethin less trashy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29250 @ 0.00069846 = 20.43 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: dbus needs network connectivity to maintain a list of ddos ips.
mircea_popescu: trinque> well hell, that CoreOS << /me can not help but notice the "core" symbol.
jurov: debian-xt upcoming
trinque: mircea_popescu: kinda gape-y neh?
assbot: boot - Systemd is really slow in comparison to upstart - Ask Ubuntu ... ( http://bit.ly/1UnVrZK )
mircea_popescu: FUD AND LIES
mircea_popescu: systemd BOOTS FASTER!!111
trinque: ^ openrc is damned fast, for whatever that matters, the boot-per-week or something I do
mircea_popescu: boots 50%^H^H40^H^H18%!!!! faster than anything else. including the things that boot 100x less frequently./
trinque: "this house was built as quickly as possible"
mircea_popescu: anyway, very fortunate that b-a never happened.
trinque: oh good.
mircea_popescu: trinque the tattoo is not as much of a problem as the bs string. "really needed" because omg
trinque: yeah otherwise indecent huh?
trinque: glorious figure; no faulting her there
trinque: the dumb stars became a trend in the last ten years or so
trinque: least among skanks I've known
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with it ?
mircea_popescu: buttcrack tattoos are painful.
trinque: just "yeah I'll take that one too" walmart style
pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: "On Feb. 28, Jen Henderson, 23, became the sole registered voter living within the community improvement district, or CID, meaning she is the only person who would vote on a half-cent sales tax increase for the district."
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 19:24:31; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ?
mircea_popescu: prolly fore the best.
pete_dushenski: fore sure
pete_dushenski: let the little dude have his fun !
pete_dushenski: what am i, the fun police ?
trinque: ah come on, what's life without a little compulsory genital modification?
ascii_field: dulap!
pete_dushenski: the whole point of this b-a/bitcoin experiment is to shoot the fun people in the heads with their own no-so-funny bullets, neh
pete_dushenski: s/people/police omgerd
pete_dushenski: trinque: in a word : african
pete_dushenski: or i should say : non-african
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28950 @ 0.00070285 = 20.3475 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: myup
trinque: ascii_field: does make me wonder if the thing's something like "and don't make us come for the rest of it!"
trinque: amusing, even if not so
ascii_field: schlllt.
mircea_popescu: it's prolly EXACTLY so.
deedbot-: [Qntra] BIP-101 Syndicate Shares Fiat Ties, Opposition to Actual Bitcoin - http://qntra.net/2015/08/bip-101-syndicate-shares-fiat-ties-opposition-to-actual-bitcoin/
pete_dushenski: " Qntra earlier reported Pierce, replaced Vessennes' as chairman of the now defunct Bitcoin Fundation (note for editor: find something to call it so it's not confused with the real bitcoin) back in April," << calling all cars to the scene
pete_dushenski: ^ BingoBoingo
pete_dushenski: cazalla too
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ?
mircea_popescu: but not bad.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069949 = 7.8343 BTC [-]
trinque: suggestion: s/Concern was raised of the BIP-101 syndicate when many of their VCs overlapped./That many in the BIP-101 syndicate share VCs is ample cause for concern./
trinque: something like that, sentence is a little weird
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 19:24:31; mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski so you gonna circumcise it ?
pete_dushenski waits for ben to scroll down
trinque: Today on Foreskins of the Republic!
pete_dushenski: Days of Our Foreskins
trinque: lol
ben_vulpes: haha i was writing that one
pete_dushenski: the 'today of...' lead in eh
trinque: get your own foreskin news broadcast.
trinque goes for food
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 21:44:12; trinque: shinohai: glorious... and then I notice the buttcrack tattoo
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257703 << bone's /rather/ close to the surface there.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 21:54:24; mircea_popescu: buttcrack tattoos are painful.
ben_vulpes: also, pain! who doesn't like honest signals.
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: didja ship 99K with the 100K version string still in or am i misunderstanding something?
deedbot-: [Trilema] MiniGame (S.MG), August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/minigame-smg-august-2015-statement/
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: mistake
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: should be 99
ascii_field: next is to be 98.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: tried the thing yet ?
mircea_popescu: re s.mg report : that game's actually getting an economy and everything! macro variables visible, a money/goods raport emerges, whatnot
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ? << fixed link was living in: (text)
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: just started reading. no running without reading.
mircea_popescu: (the driver of inflation is the circumstance that in any economy, the monetary value of circulating capital and the monetary value of goods sit in a certain, fixed proportion)
mircea_popescu: you can't have a trillion worth of dollars and ten dollar's worth of cake.
mircea_popescu: you conversely can't have a trillion worth of cake and ten dollars in cash.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 23:11:01; ben_vulpes: ascii_field: just started reading. no running without reading.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: thing has many sharp corners and probably one or two outright mistakes.
trinque: it at least didn't take any fingers last night when I fired it up
ascii_field: just reminding folks that this is not (yet) lifesupportquality proggy.
ben_vulpes: myriad pepeightteries at first glance
ben_vulpes: things that "professional pythonistas" bitch about all day that impact execution approximately nil.
ascii_field: i fucking hate the language.
ascii_field: ~almost~ as much as i hate perl.
mircea_popescu: but alf! it takes 85 muscles to hate and only 1 to take it up the as!
trinque: !b 3
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0WAGSYH.txt )
ascii_field: i thought it was '1 to pull trigger'
mircea_popescu: you kidding there's so many tarsal flexors involved
ascii_field: nah that's only if you're aiming
mircea_popescu: "shoot without aiming", "taking it up the ass", what the hell's the difference.
ascii_field: !s for piglet
assbot: 2 results for 'for piglet' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=for+piglet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1971 @ 0.00068844 = 1.3569 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 25-06-2015 21:47:45; assbot: Logged on 03-02-2015 23:43:58; asciilifeform: winnie pooh walks into a butcher's shop, asks 'got mortadella' ? answer, 'sure' winnie pooh draws a submachinegun and spins round, round, round with it, mowing down everything that moves: 'for piiigleet!'
ascii_field: and i shudder to think of 'professional pythonistas' and what they do.
ascii_field: are there 'professional awkistas' ?
ascii_field: grepistas?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt0anP )
mircea_popescu: bwhaahha
mircea_popescu: dude thre bash is pretty cool
ascii_field: would be even cooler if it updated
kakobrekla: wanna admin it?
ascii_field: right after victory
ascii_field: kakobrekla: does the thing get spammed much from the www box ?
kakobrekla: not at all, but i have a process for approving bashes
kakobrekla: occasionally i check the buffer and remove the bad ones, the good ones get re-read the next time and when i feel strongly enough about the one waiting the longest i approve a batch, as deep as it goes
kakobrekla: then jurov comes and just clicks approve on everything.
trinque: ascii_field: I'll tell you what a professional pythonista does...
kakobrekla: !up ascii_field
trinque: he tapes various shitty open source modules together for about 1yr, then gets another job
kakobrekla: also often i end up checking the log if the bash can be framed better
kakobrekla: on that note also let it be known i score bashes including links quite low for various reasons
ascii_field: i would offer to help kakobrekla but doubt that i could possibly improve on his process...
ascii_field: it is more or less ideal.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7550 @ 0.00069498 = 5.2471 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: long lines of octothorpes denominate sections, correct?
ascii_field: aha. decoratively
ascii_field: (has no mechanical function)
ben_vulpes: "Memoize" means to store in memory during the course of a run?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if you are expert with the language, do not hesitate to simplify routines / fix oddities of whatever kind, and post signed revisions...
ascii_field: memoize is an actual term of art
assbot: Memoization and Laziness ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt2QSi )
ascii_field thought it was well-known and unremarkable
punkman: I'd say it is
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0006882 = 6.2626 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: you overestimate my familiarity with the 'art'
ben_vulpes: my working copy is called "v2.py"
ben_vulpes: why i find this amusing is left as an exercise to the logreader.
trinque: rocket!
ascii_field: 'once ze rocketz go up...!'
ascii_field: who cares where they come down!
ascii_field: 'it's not mein department,' said wehrner von braun !
ben_vulpes: anyways, simplify routines/fix oddities/tidy up implies a 'git' style megapatch. u vant it should be engranularized?
ascii_field: i know how to run 'diff'.
ascii_field: whole thing is what, 3 pgs of a4 ?
ascii_field: clean to your heart's desire. so long as it gets shorter.
kakobrekla gives under pressure, bash flushed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00069587 = 21.4328 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: needs fixing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7959 @ 0.00068778 = 5.474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15423 @ 0.00068778 = 10.6076 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00068729 = 13.2647 BTC [-] {2}
mod6: asciilifeform: I took a look at v99 just briefly, so far, looks good. I dropped in my sigs from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000158.html into ~/.seals along with the sigs/*.sig files that it comes with and I was able to genereate the following: http://dpaste.com/198XBTF.txt
assbot: [BTC-dev] orchestra+breath-of-life (UPDATED) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KLszWf )
mod6: Will work through some more of this tomorrow after I get the SoBA out.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00068406 = 4.6516 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dulap ~still~ trailing by 35 blx
asciilifeform: mod6: neato. try 'pressing', get a feel for how it works.
mod6: ok i'll give it a whirl.
assbot: xkcd: Car Model Names ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI76RF )
asciilifeform: who wouldn't want a 'toyota cervixxx' !
asciilifeform: take the ol' 'nissan doody' and 'volkswagen woodpony' to the scrapyard.
phf: growing up on a dacha i remember putting quicklime (calcium oxide) into sealed containers with water. one time a friend of mine got his vein opened with glass shrapnel, my grandfather drove him to a hospital and that was the extent of drama, no national news, no "dangers of quicklime", no concerned mothers calling for bans
mod6: haha 'toyota cervixxx'
asciilifeform once heard allegation that virtually all major product names, esp. in usa, are purchased from one particular firm specializing in names...
assbot: Social osteoporosis (Steven B. Harris, M.D.) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JI7Aae )
mod6: i've kinda heard this too - you buy a word from them that hits on certain brain based reactions. something like that.
punkman made crappy gunpowder with other kids, nobody was maimed
phf: oh man, i think we would build another version of "metal pipe + match shavings" every other summer
asciilifeform: good for 20years-to-life (tm) in good old usa
asciilifeform: 'possession of terrorist weapon'
phf: i thought twice before googling "негашеная известь бомба" just now, pretty sure on a list at this point. thought i suspect hanging out on b-a does that too
asciilifeform: phf: american kids make same jar with vinegar and soda, iirc
mats: such interesting childhoods
punkman: hydrochloric acid and strips of aluminum foil > vinegar
asciilifeform: punkman: point being that boy finds vinegar in mother's kitchen
punkman: asciilifeform: and hydrochloric acid in the bathroom cleaning materials
asciilifeform: punkman: uncommon in modern usa
asciilifeform: punkman: usually it is either ammonia, or enzymatic detergent crud
asciilifeform: heavy on the perfumes and dyes, light on items-which-actually-dissolve-things
punkman: I never mixed the thing myself, but I saw a kid make a pretty big fireball once
phf: oh vinegar is acetic acid
asciilifeform: much of the 'progress' in common household chem in the past few decades focused on making things less... repurposable
asciilifeform: from sneeze meds that are less meth-worthy to floor cleaners lacking acids
phf: seems like it's the same in pharmacology
asciilifeform: phf: aha. dxm, for instance, is just codeine-with-less-bloodbrainbarrier-penetration
asciilifeform: ditto loperamide (antidiarrheal common in usa)
asciilifeform: and prolly six other common pharmacy items i can't recall immediately.
asciilifeform: all the same basic theme.
asciilifeform: 'slave has no business doing what is not on the menu'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00068346 = 11.9606 BTC [-] {4}
asciilifeform: this, just as was predicted ~15 years ago, is to be applied to electronics as well as chemistry.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 17:49:55; ascii_field: trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in
phf: more like bureaucratic cancer. bureaucrat is "responsible" for an area of human endeavor, same way as cancer is responsible for your lungs or liver
asciilifeform: general-purpose programmable computer is far more feared by usg than the most powerful dynamite.
asciilifeform: young people already make a face of disbelief if you tell'em that when you were a boy it was routine to modify the asm routines of your os directly, or bypass them entirely
asciilifeform: or that 'remote update' was not yet a thing
asciilifeform: this trend carries on.
asciilifeform: it was naive of rms & co. to predict 'microshit will ban linux' in '01 or whenever the 'palladium' thing started going
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30800 @ 0.00068496 = 21.0968 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: no one is banning linux. instead there is a 'linux foundation' (see log) which will sign 'legit, non-terrorist' kernels for you
asciilifeform: that you can run on the nintendoized cpu.
asciilifeform: complete with systemd-in-silicon
asciilifeform: unless mircea_popescu pulls a cpu fab out of his shirt pocket, there is nothing preventing this disease from progressing.
phf: it's a common thread here, the whole rise of "open" as true openness disappears. to paraphrase snl skit, "our hardware is maker open - what does that mean? - not open"
phf: odd to read rms from 10-15 years ago and see his predictions come out right..
asciilifeform: phf: except, in ways no one afaik particularly expected to be possible, ~more~ direly than rms predicted.
phf: yes!
asciilifeform: this is because rms likely grew up on the usual 20th c. dystopian fictions where there is always folks struggling to escape, etc
asciilifeform: on account of how you can't really write an engaging yarn about inhabitants of the real thing, as we have it
phf: right, well, it's the whole 1984 vs brave new world
asciilifeform: in real world, 'telescreen' is not in every room but in every toilet stall, and people not only do not hide from it but pose for it, and complain about not enough resolution on the ccd.
asciilifeform: re: 'nintendoized' cpu: folks who are counting on the chinese to 'carry the torch' of real computer, are fooling themselves
asciilifeform: they are not interested in it any more than usg is.
asciilifeform: they would, in fact, make exact copies of intel's crud (complete with nsa) -- if they could. (ever wonder why they do not?)
punkman: they don't?
phf: it's probably heinlein point, true freedom exists only at frontier, but because folk are preoccupied with practical things like "how to survive" rather then "my neighbor is smoking weed and ~gasp~ enjoying it"
asciilifeform: and even their cheap 'arm' cores are direct-licensed now, from britain.
phf: while china is playing catch up, you get a computing equivalent of wild west with areas where the control simply didn't have resources to manifest, as soon as u.s. stops driving chip design, china will start closing up same holes u.s. is in the process of closing up right now
asciilifeform: this is a perpetual 'will tomorrow'
asciilifeform: so far, EVERY SINGLE SI FAB ON THE PLANET and ALL THE DESIGN TOOLING (with the exception of chuck moore's...) runs on winblowz
asciilifeform: with the same 3 american vendors supplying it
asciilifeform: (at a few $mil a pop)
asciilifeform: there is no sign of the slightest threat of this changing.
asciilifeform: and - even aside from the winblowz, this actually matters. none of it will do general-purpose asynchronous logic, for instance.
asciilifeform: and this is just one particular kind of factory, note.
asciilifeform: one time, out of idle curiosity, i looked into what it would have taken .ir to run natanz u refinery on not-winblowz
asciilifeform: they would have had to build own electronics industry then.
phf: it's the main factory though, since everything else can be done pashtun style
asciilifeform: this is also an illusion
asciilifeform: try making so much as something like a reasonable diesel engine 'pashtun-style'
asciilifeform: there is, after all, a reason why civilized men drive ferrari while the pashtun lives and dies in own shit and fucks goats
asciilifeform: and is only alive because civilized man has not computed a +roi for neutron-bombing him
phf: that's not a problem that i'm facing though, since i don't know of diddle diesel engines (i'm sure they are but..)
asciilifeform: phf: diddling is not the only or even the most traditional exertion of control by the crown
asciilifeform: more commonly it is simply to deny modern tech to the vanquished
asciilifeform: as american pc was denied to su
asciilifeform: or cnc milling machine
asciilifeform: or rifle, to the zulu
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phf: i don't know how much of this concern is driving cause vs. purposes, i.e. real limitations experiences by you vs. building civilization from first principles anathema millenials style.
phf: *is driven by
phf: i know that my computing rug is slowly being swept from under me
asciilifeform: the rug was somewhat imaginary to begin with.
phf: that's obvious with hindsight, but imaginary in the same sense that лихие 90ые were imaginary, or really any other "interesting times"
asciilifeform: but more practically, user hasn't had true grasp of his hardware for a very long time. at least since mid-80s.
asciilifeform: so he was 'spread but not entered yet'
asciilifeform: or think of even something so humble as msdos. despite the fact that you could fill several bookcases with material like 'norton's guide', 'undocumented dos', etc. the thing was never fully reverse-engineered by anyone
asciilifeform: to the point that 'freedos' still won't run certain gamez
asciilifeform: and this despite the fact that msdos 6.2 source leaked in late '90s
asciilifeform: (freedos folks make a show of refusing to look at it)
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phf: yes nobody will be able to build freewindows10
phf: at some point you had SAIL and Augment basically design by men for men, lisp machines, xerox park as products of that. later you get two bit hacks selling imperfect copies of the glimpsed technology, thats your 80s and 90s. at this point there's already "no grasp", but the control is limited, basically a byproduct of commercialism. now you get the next stage, which is when the bureaucrats are getting involved
BingoBoingo: cmake is a piece of shit
gernika: my daughter is currently playing with logo on freedos. freedos is perfect for kids.
gernika: boots up to C:\. Then they just have to type in the name of the game they want to play and hit enter.
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asciilifeform: gernika: no argument. my point concerned the traditional argument 'oh but anything can be reverse-engineered perfectly'
asciilifeform: yes, it can. but it is rare for anyone to give the megatonne of shit that must be given, for it to actually happen;
asciilifeform: and when it happens, it is normally for commercial reasons and in secret
asciilifeform: rather then 'bower to the beoble'
gernika: asciilifeform aha. so that's why comander keen doesn't even work.
asciilifeform fond of commander keen.
asciilifeform: recall his brief cameo appearance in wolfenstein ?
gernika: I do not.
asciilifeform: or hm, was it in doom ii
asciilifeform: ^ apparently
assbot: Commander Keen - The Doom Wiki at DoomWiki.org - Doom, Heretic, Hexen, Strife, and more ... ( http://bit.ly/1KATjwL )
phf spent more time with duke nukem
gernika: Tried derive.exe on freedos too - doesn't work either.
asciilifeform: ^ also good timez.
asciilifeform: gernika: now ~that~ is odd
asciilifeform: it runs fucking everywhere
gernika: it starts - but the screen is filled with garbage
gernika: executes commands, etc
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if 'freedos' is actually run by wreckers
asciilifeform: a 'bitcoin phoundation' of a kind
asciilifeform: there are some very serious folks who are working on having it be forgotten that a 486 was an entirely usable thing, and in many ways a superior cultural artifact, all things considered, than the computer you and i are sitting in front of today
phf: what isn't. at some point freedos was legit in a poc||gtfo kind of way, i.e. "we did it for the lulz", but now it's positioned as the only legitimate way to run dos programs. that you of course purchased from GoG.
asciilifeform: esp. considering the games.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
asciilifeform: always there is a one of these, lurking inside
asciilifeform: whenever you scratch the surface of damn near anything.
phf: how else would you ensure that linus is not mean to anybody?
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257800 << it's updated, what. most recent this month.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 23:26:04; ascii_field: would be even cooler if it updated
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after the thread!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257852 << you're telling me like i'm the one shitting in the broadband lol
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 01:00:40; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dulap ~still~ trailing by 35 blx
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257861 << and it's run by george costanza, "name your daughter soda"
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 01:05:59; *: asciilifeform once heard allegation that virtually all major product names, esp. in usa, are purchased from one particular firm specializing in names...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-09-2015#1257882 << it is pretty much what it was "same cleaning, more or less, but not as harsh"
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 01:20:23; asciilifeform: from sneeze meds that are less meth-worthy to floor cleaners lacking acids
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: addison whitney
asciilifeform: (re: names firm)
mircea_popescu: sorta like Rembrandt School of Art : since 1950, making paintings almost as good as rembrandts, with less work per sq in
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eh, wanna-bes.
mircea_popescu: in local news, argentina GDP fell 4.9% today because one of the lengthy queues accidentally merged with its own ending, resulting in 84`755 people spending an average of 8 hours following a very intricate 12 mile pattern through town for no apparent purpose.
phf: get in queue, figure out what's available later, su style
asciilifeform: ;;later tell gernika http://loper-os.org/pub/derive_and_more.img.gz << floppy image containing PROPER msdos, sys utils (for making more of self), himem, edit, qbasic, buncha other stuff, and Derive.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 01:29:13; asciilifeform: no one is banning linux. instead there is a 'linux foundation' (see log) which will sign 'legit, non-terrorist' kernels for you
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 16:50:54; mircea_popescu: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/082XAM5.txt
asciilifeform: $ sha512sum derive_and_more.img.gz
asciilifeform: 49e7e9968bdbfee0a96fddbd4f9deb7b8df9911381805710797f2d4e56637c1f4a0efacb4675e7e28020c877fc02b6725a3263ca5f8b5b2ed51cd6aa7908a7b3 derive_and_more.img.gz
mircea_popescu: qbasic lol.
mircea_popescu: so much better than gwbasic
mircea_popescu: why ? the eval!
mircea_popescu: dedicated eval window
asciilifeform: fuck yeah.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell gernika it will boot in 'qemu' too.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 01:33:36; asciilifeform: on account of how you can't really write an engaging yarn about inhabitants of the real thing, as we have it
mircea_popescu: reality beats fiction mostly because fiction has to be things reality does not.
mircea_popescu: oh, you're not so very engaged by this reality ? FUCK YOU BITCH LMAO
asciilifeform: such as having conscious peopl ein it, aha
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell fluffypony Is this really the way to seed anything? https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/blob/master/src/crypto/oaes_lib.c#L503
assbot: bitmonero/oaes_lib.c at master · monero-project/bitmonero · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAYcWR )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gernika: asciilifeform - I haven't tried it. Running it on an old thinkpad. Got msdos 6.2 working in parallels - but parallels is literally a virus.
asciilifeform: gernika: it's a straight floppy image with the real thing in it, created strictly with actual msdos running on emulated hardware
gernika: ok not a virus but malware
asciilifeform: boots cleanly on actual dos box, tested.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of the funniest protests (sexually repressed women generally) bring to my sexual themed writings is "oh, it would never happen like that".
mircea_popescu: "why not ?" "because uhm."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: naturally. in the mental universe various folks inhabit, nothing mircea_popescuine could even begin to contemplate happening.
mircea_popescu: in fairness most literature is not after life.
mircea_popescu: but it also has very little regard for you know, "the reader has come to expect"
gernika: asciilifeform oh derive.exe? derive.exe works in my parallels 6.2 image.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the fdd image is here for n00bz as well
asciilifeform: i encourage folks here to mirror it, somewhere.
asciilifeform: never know when a WORKING computeralgebratron will come in handy
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 01:40:57; asciilifeform: so far, EVERY SINGLE SI FAB ON THE PLANET and ALL THE DESIGN TOOLING (with the exception of chuck moore's...) runs on winblowz
asciilifeform: btw i've always thought it would be interesting to get the lisp src of derive (yes) out of the exe
asciilifeform: it was written in 'mulisp', which is compiled in such a way as to make this theoretically feasible.
asciilifeform: reversing 'derive' is this thing that i come back to for a week or two every other year or so.
gernika: Wonder if the Soft Warehouse guys still live, and if they have it.
asciilifeform: gernika: they sold the rights to texas instruments
asciilifeform: so in that sense, no
asciilifeform: (doubt they'd release it)
asciilifeform: 'texas' made prolly close to a billion, with it
phf: like some game enthusiasts trying to get source from electronic arts, good luck
asciilifeform: (they turned it into a line of calculators that was wildly popular)
gernika: I sadly DID NOT KNOW about this program in junior high and highschool.
asciilifeform: gernika: what would you have done, snuck dos box into exam ?
gernika: I would have checked then even numbered answers
gernika: on my homework
mircea_popescu: so i've been sort-of idly thinking maybe monero is actually something should be taken seriously. then BingoBoingo dug up https://forum.getmonero.org/4/academic-and-technical/303/a-formal-approach-towards-better-hard-fork-management
assbot: Monero | Academic and Technical » A formal approach towards better hard fork management ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAZNvy )
mircea_popescu: check this out :
mircea_popescu: "Basic bottom line: every 6 months there's a hard fork. You get 1 hard fork's grace before you have to update or be left behind.
mircea_popescu: Every 6 months, either on March 15 + September 15 or on April 15 + October 15, the Monero network will have a hard fork. 30 days before the fork we will have a code freeze + tag + release, and if there are no major changes we'll have an increase in the protocol version (ie. that's at a minimum). A similar fork system to Bitcoin will apply, whereby a rollover to the new code after the trigger block will only occur if a
mircea_popescu: sufficient number of miners are running the new code.
mircea_popescu: Anything that is more of a soft fork will kick in immediately (as long as it doesn't drop pre-fork clients off the network). Anything on the p2p layer (ie. hard forkable) will be kept in the wings until the next fork date (as roughly estimated from block height) and then is enabled.
mircea_popescu: The upshot of this is that you can run a client that is a year old, but pretty much after that 1 year anniversary you'll be dropped off the network (even if there have been no "real" changes in that year)."
mircea_popescu: and i'm like..... mmmkay nevermind.
asciilifeform: it is 'interesting' in the same sense as denizen of insane asylum who thinks he is a glass bottle is more interesting than the fella who thinks he is ordinary napoleon ?
asciilifeform: can mircea_popescu or anyone else remind me, what was supposed to be the upside of being a glass bott^H^H^H^H^H^H^Husing monero ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform more in the sense that the blondy teen that is always clenching her jaws shut is vaguely interesting in a way her verbose airheaded cogeners are not
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 02:28:35; gernika: boots up to C:\. Then they just have to type in the name of the game they want to play and hit enter.
asciilifeform: was it the ring signature thing ?
mircea_popescu: that behaviour is certainly the l;argest contributor of wy i am even vaguely interested in computers at all
mircea_popescu: had i met linux as a boy i'd be pissing with froth on the entire stupid stack.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have written on many occasions, that this (the froth) is why the very youngest of the folks worth anything in computerdom are circa early 1980s
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 02:36:00; *: asciilifeform fond of commander keen.
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 02:51:34; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after the thread!
mircea_popescu: wehn i linked to it, i linked to an item put there a week or so ago.
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mod6: this press command is pretty neat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=417 << incidentally, champagne doesn't live too well in bottle.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIntcu )
mircea_popescu: a year is one thing, but five's too many.
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mircea_popescu: "mircea_popescu: giving inept infantrymen good horses doesn't create an elite cavalry regiment, it just creates a lot of injured horses. giving stupid people smart things doesn't make them smart. it'll just make a lot of broken smart things."
mircea_popescu: im in fucking love with the fucking bash omg/
phf: the only thing enemy will drink is amontillado
asciilifeform: 'for the love of god, montrezor!!!'
phf: for the love of god
asciilifeform: !s montrezor
assbot: 10 results for 'montrezor' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=montrezor
phf: bah, naturally
mircea_popescu: so speaking of http://trilema.com/2013/recapitulatio/ how long till coinbase is filing for creditor protection ?
assbot: Recapitulatio on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1ifv4ta )
asciilifeform: why would they?
mircea_popescu: for the same reason.
asciilifeform: i mean, they are more or less the only mass vendor of coinz in usa
asciilifeform: i just gave them more than kilo personally not long ago
asciilifeform: terrible place to ~sell~, but perfectly workable to buy...
asciilifeform: (while supplies last...)
mircea_popescu: how much did they make on that deal ?
asciilifeform: perhaps 10 usd
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