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cazalla: !up Vexual
cazalla: did ya go smoke some soapbar or something
Vexual: ;;ud soapbar
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOAP+BAR | SOAP BAR. Popular "hashish" found in the UK. soap bars weighing 9oz / 250 grams, on average contain 1/3 oz / 10 grams of flower / resin and up to 200 grams ...
Vexual: no
assbot: 06 Goldie Lookin Chain - Soap Bar - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZ3086 )
Vexual: when your spawns ready for kuta, uncle vex is coming along for the ride
Vexual: troll some morrocans
mats: king kuta
mats: kunta*
Vexual: www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRK7PVJFbS8 <this?
Vexual: did anyone send tribute to the new king of tonga?
assbot: Kendrick Lamar - King Kunta - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CifIx2 )
Vexual: kuta, bali runs on heavy metal and horror serials
Vexual: its a rite of passage for upper middle class aussie kids
Vexual: just dont update adobe flash at the hotel wifi
asciilifeform: node still stuck at 363736.
Vexual: maxpeers 2?
asciilifeform: it's '-connect'ed to mircea_popescu's
Vexual: maxpers 2?
Vexual: just
mats: lol.
mod6: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00054157 = 8.4566 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu public node on dulap.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: to nobody's surprise, firmly wedged
asciilifeform: (and yes, it '-addnode's mircea_popescu's. so theoretically, could unwedge. but no)
mod6: 295k+
asciilifeform: no 'reorgs', nothing
asciilifeform: blocks just not happening.
asciilifeform: 8 peer connections
asciilifeform: mempool garbage by the megatonne, just like my earlier node
asciilifeform: but nothing remotely suggesting that a block of any description tried to appaer.
mod6: so asciilifeform you're just stuck on 363734 even though you're seeding via irc again ?
asciilifeform: no irc!!!!
asciilifeform: read the code plz.
mod6: oh your just using addnode? or what?
asciilifeform: 1) it's 363736
asciilifeform: 2) it addnode-s mircea_popescu's box and from there gets maxint seeds
asciilifeform: none of which undertake to supply so much as one block
asciilifeform: no sign of attempted 'reorgs', nothing but churning mempool shit
mod6: ok thanks for clairifying for me
asciilifeform: this is running a classic 'stator'
gernika: I think I'm seeing the same: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed ec7d42baa3
asciilifeform: just like my first sync-with-mircea_popescu experiment box
mod6: classic stator, i.e. no dump/eat block
mod6: !up Vexual
asciilifeform: can rebuild with it, but what is there for it to eat ?
Vexual: pideon?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39747 @ 0.00054929 = 21.8326 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: 'i learned that... they don't recycle pigeons.' (tm) (r) ('red meat')
mod6: gernika: what version are you running? what's your current block height, 363897?
Vexual: if you poop on your corn, you can recycle pidgeon <not realted to antything
Vexual: greeks are voting, prepare for riot
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 23:07:05; danielpbarron: 71.232.150.212 port 8139 is a fully synched 0.5.3.1~ node
Vexual: maxpeer 2?
asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron wouldja mind dumpblock-ing a few blx at the wedgepoint ? ty
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gernika: mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000
Vexual: meahwhile, blockheight hit 400 storeys (evevator) when counted on individual 3 inch floppies
Vexual: ^insertable
asciilifeform: my brother owns a coupla GB in floppies in his house
Vexual: ??
asciilifeform: mostly readable last anybody's tried, even.
Vexual: thats around 2 months of in-out
Vexual: whats one m?
Vexual: *on em
asciilifeform: what else
Vexual: whats it worth in bc?
mod6: 168`000, weird!
mod6 looks for something
Vexual: reddit down, usenet unaffected
mod6: <+gernika> mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000 << if it's a problem in block 168`001, i'm sure we hit this problem in february. but it should be resolved with openssl 1.0.1g.
mod6: im looking for the exact txid we hit.. it's somewhere in the log im sure.
mod6: you are using ssl 1.0.1g with stator right?
gernika: mod6: I am indeed using 1.0.1g
mod6: huh. this is the error we got, different txid and different error, but still, ~weird~: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007102
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 00:36:21; mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001
mod6: speaking of compiling stator on openssl, i gave it a try today but hit this: http://dpaste.com/0WRAK16.txt
mod6: did you see the same?
gernika: mod6: I'll check and make sure 1.0.1g was actually linked against tomorrow. I can say that it was built and copied to ./ourlibs.
mod6: ok
mod6: oh i just solved my own problem. derp.
mod6: openbsd requires gmake to be in the stator.sh, not make.
gernika: mod6: yeah I ran into that. Put it in my patch to stator.sh. Still need to go through the process of signing everything.
mod6: no prob, thanks!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mmmyeah
mod6: cc1plus: out of memory allocating 46376 bytes after a total of 0 bytes << lol
mircea_popescu: mod6 dump the block ?
gernika: mod6: had to run as root to get around openbsd memory limits on normal user accounts. There are other ways.
mod6: mircea_popescu: (this is compiling stator on openbsd)
mod6: gernika: yeah, just did `su`...
mircea_popescu: mod6 i recall you were plagued by this 168k blessing
mod6: stator on openbsd did build, yet this: http://dpaste.com/0S8R7Z1.txt
mod6: here's the linking bit: http://dpaste.com/0AYS9MB.txt
mod6: mircea_popescu: yeah, we totally were. but it seems this time its a different error and a different txid!
mircea_popescu: the lulz and the win of our times ;/
gernika: mod6: "There is no dynamic segment in this file." when I run the above command
mod6: gernika: it might be helpful to patch in the dump block so we can examine your block(s) 168`000 & 168`001 and see what's going on there.
mod6: gernika: hmm. weird. i might hvae screwed something up in there.
gernika: k. will see if I can dig them up on the mailing list
gernika: got to hit the hay
mod6: yeah me too.
mod6: i'll try again with obsd again tomorrow.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the lulz and the win of our times ;/ << aint this the truth
assbot: ircmaxell's blog: Security Issue: Combining Bcrypt With Other Hash Functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2RdUm )
mircea_popescu: (via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr )
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2Rnv7 )
mircea_popescu: (via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr )
assbot: fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2U5k7 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00054293 = 9.8813 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait."
mircea_popescu: quite. being a libertard is very much a SEXUAL behaviour.
mircea_popescu: essentially onanism gone wild.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.00054627 = 16.0603 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: jurov 8242 s.qntra pushed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00054463 = 10.3207 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00054681 = 2.6247 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html << check out glibc beating the shit out of everyone @strlen and strchr
assbot: Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3fslm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28750 @ 0.00054307 = 15.6133 BTC [-] {3}
trinque: ^ gutting docker from it.
trinque: deedbot- is the one to use though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28886 @ 0.00054416 = 15.7186 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4247 @ 0.00055022 = 2.3368 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23200 @ 0.00055022 = 12.7651 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00055022 = 2.8336 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "In short, the “work in progress” has actually produced results. " http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-update-versus-ubuntu-update/
assbot: Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFx7Ud )
mircea_popescu: apologiez for linking to the retarded, but im trying to bother asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: "UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)"
mircea_popescu: aka, the world that could have been if we focused on the intelligent rather than on the fungal mass. mkay.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21450 @ 0.00054119 = 11.6085 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40369 @ 0.00054846 = 22.1408 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 76431 @ 0.00055051 = 42.076 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28700 @ 0.00055195 = 15.841 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28094 @ 0.00053846 = 15.1275 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00054649 = 7.5416 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: Qntra shares distributed to CoinBr.
jurov: ;;later tell wyrdmantis to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: ;;later tell punkman to receive your shares to your coinbr/mpex account, ask me or submit a deed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00055206 = 11.0136 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27100 @ 0.00055261 = 14.9757 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: amidoinitwrong?
assbot: China’s new mystery midget submarine may be designed for attacking Taiwan | China Daily Mail ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIAvea )
assbot: Keynesian Economic Theory As Applied To Private Sector Independent Contracting - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NIAM0J )
punkman: mats, what lang did you use for they keyserver thing?
mats: python
punkman: cool, I'll give it a look when you publish
mats: sounds good
punkman: mod6, maybe a little script on the foundation website so we can upload and archive debug.logs (without shitting 50mb attachments all over the ml)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37150 @ 0.00055277 = 20.5354 BTC [+] {2}
mats: chinese-taiwanese fud is great
punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes
mats: imo the mainland is willing and capable of waiting decades (if not a century) to retake .tw
mats: meanwhile the inhabitants of .tw are busy deluding themselves into thinking they're taiwanese, not chinese, and special snowflakes otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4733 @ 0.00055278 = 2.6163 BTC [+]
jurov: punkman: good idea, maybe i'll do it. needs just a simple web form to upload file and signature
punkman: jurov, maybe throw a pastebin up there while you are at it
jurov: oh yes. and syntax coloring,. and inline images. and.. :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36200 @ 0.0005364 = 19.4177 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185700 << in my experience, you can use spinning rust if you throw in 8GB RAM
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2015 20:06:15; ascii_field: mats: iirc danielpbarron established that it ~has~ to use ssd
jurov: obv not an option for pogo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22002 @ 0.00054344 = 11.9568 BTC [+]
jurov: i'll prolly try hybrid sshd with it
jurov: !up hdbuck
jurov: !up SuchWow
hdbuck: hello jurov
jurov: hello. who's there?
hdbuck: some random internet dude, wondering in B-A
hdbuck: any b-a official statement regarding yesturday’s f0rk attempt?
jurov: and next one
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00053085 = 17.5711 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33900 @ 0.00053059 = 17.987 BTC [-]
hdbuck: is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins
assbot: TV Giant CANAL+ Hacked, Hits Github With DMCA Complaint | TorrentFreak ... ( http://bit.ly/1JOuew2 )
jurov: ask cazalla or BingoBoingo
jurov: !gettrust assbot hdbuck
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=hdbuck | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/hdbuck/
jurov: in fact you can write and submit it to them yourself
jurov: and you can !up yourself, too
jurov: lol good rating "He follows instructions."
hdbuck: ah will do then, thx
hdbuck: lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38477 @ 0.00053737 = 20.6764 BTC [+] {2}
mats: too light on actual details imo
cazalla: from an aussie IPO - At 30 June 2015
cazalla: Bitcoin Group
cazalla: forecasts holding
cazalla: 1,932
cazalla: Bitcoins with a fair value of
cazalla: $0.7
cazalla: million as investments and at 30 June 2016
cazalla: Bitcoin Group
cazalla: forecasts holding
cazalla: 51,824
cazalla: Bitcoins with a fair value of
cazalla: $47.10
cazalla: million.
cazalla: oops soz
cazalla: so they expect their yet to be mined 52k coins to be worth about $900
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45208 @ 0.00053059 = 23.9869 BTC [-]
punkman: cazalla: will they casually mine 5% of blocks in a year?
punkman: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Thu Jul 28 18:56:49 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 3 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, and 0 seconds.
cazalla: in the prospectus,they claim they bought some mining gear from ASICMiner back in January.. i wonder if these are the miners that disappeared same time as friedcat went awol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00053903 = 13.2062 BTC [+]
punkman: ;;avgprc usd 7d
gribble: 259.32
punkman: ;;avgprc usd 30d
gribble: 246.22
punkman: ;;avgprice eur 7d
gribble: Error: "avgprice" is not a valid command.
punkman: ;;avgprc eur 7d
gribble: 232.06
punkman: ;;baratio
gribble: Bitfinex | Total bids: 5259068 USD. Total asks: 11822 BTC. Ratio: 444.82490 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0033 seconds
punkman: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1168.9 USD = 4.45397043134 BTC
punkman: ;;bc,bull
gribble: Next Price Estimate: 288.64 | Next Price In About 3 days, 0 hours, 33 minutes, and 34 seconds
mats: pgpdump really needs a rewrite...
mats: the py port, at any rate
shinohai: @ 310610 this morning, so abt a year behind.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16747 @ 0.00055339 = 9.2676 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15106 @ 0.0005371 = 8.1134 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37594 @ 0.00052886 = 19.882 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: gave this a spin, works out the box https://github.com/ckald/pyccoon
assbot: ckald/pyccoon · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1KGVPRs )
punkman: `pyccoon -s bitcoin/src -d docs`
shinohai: heh punkman pyccoon looks pretty neat
punkman: not a priority I know, but someone should exorcise that json_spirit crap (maybe with https://github.com/open-source-parsers/jsoncpp or https://github.com/giacomodrago/minijson_writer )
assbot: open-source-parsers/jsoncpp · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSAVu )
assbot: giacomodrago/minijson_writer · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSzB3 )
assbot: rest: remove JSON input format for getutxos to avoid potential DoS problems · Issue #6192 · bitcoin/bitcoin · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZSYDx )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes might want to adjust that thing so it doesn't cycle when www comes down and then up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !s Urbach
assbot: 1 results for 'Urbach' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Urbach
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap is still wedged. and apparently this is not a terribly good place for a node, phuctor gets i/o-starved and dies
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188105 << i've always said to phriends who played 'grind mmporgs' : 'there is a uranium mine somewhere missing a man. you are that man'
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 09:31:13; mircea_popescu: "UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30200 @ 0.00052874 = 15.9679 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188139 << the few i've spoken with personally did not seem especially happy re: their home being used as usg's 'unsinkable aircraft carrier'
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:24:32; mats: meanwhile the inhabitants of .tw are busy deluding themselves into thinking they're taiwanese, not chinese, and special snowflakes otherwise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16022 @ 0.00053304 = 8.5404 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77200 @ 0.00052731 = 40.7083 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: so yes, both of my 0.5.x nodes are still firmly wedged. no sign of attempted 'reorg', nothing.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 08:22:23; mircea_popescu: heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl.
asciilifeform: 'Topic for #musl is: http://www.musl-libc.org | Ask questions; treat others with respect; stop off-topic discussions for musl questions; do not publish logs; no sexism, homophobia, or other forms of asshattery.'
asciilifeform: ^ extra-lulzy
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188151 << do those even come in the form factor used by pogo? might be interesting to try
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:47:47; jurov: i'll prolly try hybrid sshd with it
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188163 << this is why, when dealing with a usg-powered entity, the correct procedure is not 'disclosure', which will be censored and hushed up; but - total annihilation
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 12:06:08; hdbuck: is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins
asciilifeform: sony-style
asciilifeform: in general principle: destroy backups (the morons often make this possible!), produce leaks from which there ~can be no recovery~, etc
asciilifeform: pretty basic, but there are still folks who do not understand.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26329 @ 0.00052401 = 13.7967 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: if you're gonna take a shot at a lizardman, don't shoot for the knee!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188084 << this is known, from mr mold's articles, as the 'kick the dog till it bites then shoot it' algo
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 07:04:24; mircea_popescu: "20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait."
asciilifeform: it worked great in the past: u.s. civil war; u.s. vs japan; u.s. vs korea; vietnam; and so on
asciilifeform: the essential heart of the algo is that the 'kicking' must somehow 'not count'
asciilifeform: in order for the narrative to turn into 'dog bit, we shot it'
asciilifeform: danielpbarron, mod6, anybody with a SYNCED 0.5.x node: please consider blkcut ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000113.html ) -ing your most recent blkxxxx and uploading a tarball of the last 500 or so blocks
asciilifeform: the sooner this happens, the more likely it is that i will have some time to actually work on this today
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 22:20:58; ascii_modem: picture if we had pogos deployed
asciilifeform: (whether there can be such a guarantee at all is questionable. but at present, enemy has a slight information advantage, as he's been crapping in that thing since possibly before day 1)
asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron what, if anything, is peculiar about your synced 0.5.x ? (i.e. what patch set it used? to whom connected ? for how long ? when ? )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: @ asciilifeform I should have a pogo up and running inside this week.
mats: 10:57:53 <+asciilifeform> the few i've spoken with personally did not seem especially happy re: their home being used as usg's 'unsinkable aircraft carrier' << hardly the case, and they're exceptionally deluded if they think so...
mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island
mats: usg could deploy all their carrier groups to the region and it'd make no difference.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27600 @ 0.00054337 = 14.997 BTC [+] {2}
mats: and besides. tw is more dependent than ever on mainland money
mats: the cost of living is extraordinarily high
mats: analogous to going to .cn going to bat against usg over havana. good luck with that.
mats: er, analogous to .cn going to bat against usg over havana
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00052341 = 7.7465 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: mats: iirc, the last time u.s. navy played an honest 'war game' with itself, the whole thing sank
asciilifeform: whole nato edifice has very little to do with physical reality
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu seems like 'nearlyfreespeech co.' takes btc now..
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there was also the millenium challenge 2002
asciilifeform: also sank?
ben_vulpes: powers that be froze action, restarted game, provided script
asciilifeform: which is why i said 'the last honest game'
ben_vulpes: aha, missed that.
ben_vulpes coffees.
asciilifeform repeats the call for some hero to step up and produce a wall-printable callgraph for therealbitcoin.
asciilifeform: i've wasted hours clicking through lxr crap
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with etags?
asciilifeform: I WANT TO SEE ALL OF IT IN FIELD OF VISION
asciilifeform: on my wall.
asciilifeform: navigate by moving eyeballs.
ben_vulpes: you have the weirdest fetishes.
ben_vulpes is sitting under a red sun
asciilifeform: the one-function-at-a-time thing is like looking through a tank periscope
ben_vulpes: a forest fire even further north than i is smogging up the world
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is sitting under a red sun << one of my most favourite things about b-a voyage was being able to sit in the sun without checking dosimeter or smearing toxic sludge all over my skin
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i still marvel at that.
ben_vulpes: the stroll from office to tacos midday is almost guaranteed to pink me up a bit.
ben_vulpes: and it's what - three blocks?
ben_vulpes: whereas in bsas, i could walk for an hour plus without feeling the burn.
asciilifeform: i bought dosimeter to find out precisely on what days i oughtn't to even go the three blocks
mats: lol, white people
ben_vulpes: (unrelatedly, whose moronic decision was it to produce keys that tab-complete before their public counterparts? looking at you, id_rsaa)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00052225 = 19.1144 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16688 @ 0.00052067 = 8.6889 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: mats: didn't know asian people said that too
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:38:24; asciilifeform: ;;later tell danielpbarron what, if anything, is peculiar about your synced 0.5.x ? (i.e. what patch set it used? to whom connected ? for how long ? when ? )
gernika: mod6 I can dumpblock 168000, but not 168001. 168000 is available here: http://exusiae.kicks-ass.net/bsdwedge.bin. I'll share it differently if you'd rather I sign it and post it to the mailing list or anywhere else.
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1Te9aUm )
trinque: punkman | deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/1RN0AFQ.txt << like so:
deedbot-: accepted: 1
shinohai: I have not learned all the intricacies of deedbot yet, you can use it for anything?
trinque: shinohai: you just feed it your key first (in the same way), then any gpg signed message
trinque: so long as you're in good standing in the WoT, it'll let you use it
shinohai: nice.
shinohai: Membership has it's privileges
kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x
shinohai: bit4x
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 363970 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 925 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 9 minutes, and 21 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187883 << even though they are typically in favor of recording police officers in the line of duty, they hypocritically get very perturbed when others return the favor -- saying things like "I do not consent to be recorded" : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-0EqoW8pWE
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 01:50:48; decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187304 < why? it's not like their political positions are secret?
assbot: A Talk: Nick Ford Voltairine de Cleyre. Stephan Kinsella. Porcfest 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CeaguF )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap appears to have unwedged. by itself. or perhaps somebody fed it
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: "errors" : "Warning: Please check that your computer's date and time are correct. If your clock is wrong Bitcoin will not work properly."
asciilifeform: and plenty of
asciilifeform: ERROR: CheckBlock() : block timestamp too far in the future
asciilifeform: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : CheckBlock FAILED
asciilifeform: yet the clock is set correctly. what gives ?
asciilifeform: anyone else experience this garbage ?
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188246 what, sata is supposed to go inside? i'll just put it monkey-wire it outside anyway
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:08:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188151 << do those even come in the form factor used by pogo? might be interesting to try
asciilifeform: sure. just keep in mind the amperage of the dc power brick
asciilifeform: in other lulz, https://getaddr.bitnodes.io lies and declares that my public node is 'unreachable'
assbot: Global Bitcoin nodes distribution - Bitnodes ... ( http://bit.ly/1CecHNV )
asciilifeform: folks are welcome to try, 195.211.154.159:8333
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << try pasting the expired url into the archive.is search box; I'm pretty good at catching them before they expire
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes
asciilifeform: also interestingly, it has 10 peers and no tx garbage scrolling in debug.log
asciilifeform: just a very occasional new block
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187148 << "Mint" like punkman was using lacks nearly all development tools including gcc out of the box. I chose it for shitty phree laptop to experiment with an Ubuntu-like without using ubuntu. Packages all come from Ubuntu repos, so...
assbot: Logged on 04-07-2015 16:02:06; asciilifeform: i did learn that many linux distros lack 'realpath'
asciilifeform: kinda wondering now if someone is building on top of the orphan chain
danielpbarron: asciilifeform> anyone else experience this garbage ? << yes. I found the timestamp errors in my 0.7.2 (currently wedged) debug.log
asciilifeform: received block 0000000000000000014e
asciilifeform: REORGANIZE
asciilifeform: ^ from log
asciilifeform: so there was a reorg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22300 @ 0.00053316 = 11.8895 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: i also see reorg attempts in my debug.log but none actually worked
danielpbarron: ;;later tell williamdunne your twitter scoopbot cuts off titles sometimes
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00052416 = 6.3948 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: also looks like somebody's been sending 'extra-long-to-verify' blocks
mod6: gernika: it makes sense that you can not dump 168`001. keep it posted at that url for a few days. I wanna see if I can replicate with obsd on my side (as soon as I can get it built statically), or when I free up my aws environment from its current sync process (if that should come first). I can use the aws one to cut out block 168`000 and compare the two.
mod6: Maybe try to make sense of it somehow.
mod6: 310k+
mod6: should be done in about 24 hours or so?
shinohai: I'm @ 319645 nothing out of the ordinary yet.
trinque: remove docker -> set up same application like a normal person with runit and users substituting for containers -> free up 5gb
trinque: fuck a docker.
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188163 << If you want to write it up I don't see much wrong
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 12:06:08; hdbuck: is this news worth hitting qntra? https://torrentfreak.com/tv-giant-canal-hacked-hits-github-with-dmca-complaint-150613/ < « surprisingly » not that much media cover + total failure of security + hacker mined bitcoins
mod6: i tried to build stator on obsd again, still ended up with some .so's in the output binary.
mod6: same as yesterday.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.00053986 = 1.9165 BTC [+]
decimation: I'm syncing stator+eatblock+dumpblock on some node, just cleared 200k blocks
decimation: this is on rhel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17167 @ 0.00054704 = 9.391 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28670 @ 0.00054704 = 15.6836 BTC [+]
mod6: decimation: cool!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25298 @ 0.00055339 = 13.9997 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42513 @ 0.00054704 = 23.2563 BTC [-]
jurov: fu, onholy heat here and in most of europe
jurov: *unholy
ben_vulpes: global warming is a myth
decimation: how hot?
ben_vulpes: a liberal /myth/, jurov
jurov: climbing to 40C
decimation: yeah that is hot
jurov: of course, exactly yesterday fetching keys of github finished and wait for me to crack them
jurov: maybe later in the night
jurov: so as not to cook myself alive :D
decimation: have any of those github keys been among the compromised set?
jurov: yes, of the first million ssh rsa keys several had factors like 3,5,7,11
jurov: total will be about 10mil
kakobrekla: jurov no ac?
jurov: i hate ac
kakobrekla: love heat then.
mircea_popescu: some places aren't really livable w/o it
jurov: that does not mean i should set my amd quadcore aglow on the top of it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform eventually reorg succeeds.
decimation: jurov: why hate ac?
mircea_popescu: i bet you it's because all he had were cheapo units that always demoisturize to a certain % as result of their function, rather than actually CONDITION the air
mircea_popescu: ie, put it out at a specified tem and humidity.
jurov: it's seldom used here, so everywhere there's only that which just cools and recirculates bad air
jurov: and everyone is setting them too cool, am getting headaches of that
decimation: like miasma bad air?
mircea_popescu: airplane air heh
jurov: lol don't mention airplanes. last time i was sitting 10hrs in one i wanted to die
mircea_popescu: bring girlies along next time. or, you know... boygirlies i guess.
mircea_popescu: play tit-tag.
jurov: aha
decimation: airplane air is typically very dry http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/ " At around 12 percent humidity, it is drier than you will find in most deserts. This is chiefly a by-product of cruising at high-altitudes, where moisture content is somewhere between low and nonexistent."
assbot: The truth about cabin air ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJIuaI )
mircea_popescu: i had no idea when i was young i'll live in such gender role confusion times.
decimation: interesting: "The Boeing 787 has the healthiest air of any commercial plane, thanks to filters with an efficiency of 99.97 percent. Humidity too is substantially higher. The plane?s all-composite structure is less susceptible to condensation, and a unique circulation system pumps dry air through the lining between the cabin walls and exterior skin."
jurov: yea we were supposed to have warp drive and mind upload by 2010
decimation: having a non-metal skin would probably reduce condensation
jurov: but gender confusdion? never!!!1
decimation: I would settle for a manned expedition to juipter
mircea_popescu: i was not told about this when we joined "the west" in 1990!
mircea_popescu: it literally was, "play along for 20-30 years, you get mind uploads ands warp drives"
mircea_popescu: WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY MIND WARPS!!1
trinque: you got warped minds instead!
mircea_popescu: fucking shit. i bet you the whole thing runs on c++ and nobody did any bounds checking.
mircea_popescu: "o mp, it has much faster string operations". fuck you.
mod6: it checks 71 times!
mod6: oh was just laughing about that link last night: The loops basically iterate 72 times << 72 i guess. heh
mircea_popescu: oh. well they have to cause 72 bytes max lol
mircea_popescu: but yea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1985 @ 0.000534 = 1.06 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.000534 = 1.3617 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with french speakers, they're so enamoured with this denial through legal process bs ?
mircea_popescu: yo froggers : you don't have any "right to be forgotten", you don't get to abuse dmca out of fucking canada, and in general stfu.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust hdbuck
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user hdbuck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=hdbuck | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hdbuck | Rated since: Tue Feb 3 13:50:17 2015
mircea_popescu: !rate hdbuck 1 Latest qntra editor
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/217fda67be96d99f
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hdbuck.1:1dbf351613089fb79a798bdbb61614f211ae3e8f684a6abd682027df907aeb78
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for hdbuck with note: Latest qntra editor
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Successfully added a rating of 1 for hdbuck with note: Latest qntra editor << Not editor, edited
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo contributor eh ?
mircea_popescu: !rate hdbuck 1 Latest qntra contributor
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/aba560bb9c3690c8
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.hdbuck.1:054d7058b5e3cbe526b7ce2347cb387c46d70859cf71d140e888e743c872545e
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for hdbuck from 1 to 1 with note: Latest qntra contributor
BingoBoingo: July starting out as good month.
BingoBoingo: Bitcoin "Core" sinking, true miner seekrit client existence proven, Frogs ignoring law again
williamdunne: Price going up doesn't hurt
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.52, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 271.53, 24 hour volume: 42989.06339824, 24 hour low: 256.88, 24 hour high: 275.88, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: hooer
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo mmmyeah, remember a year or so ago when i was like "dude gtfo, nobody is using bitcoin pseudocore for any purpose" and the whole "community" of "experts" in their own dreams was liek "omfg mp spreading fuds and what does he know anyway!!1"
mircea_popescu: o hey, 270. going to 300 is it.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market buttchina
gribble: BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.823599, Best ask: 271.316565, Bid-ask spread: 0.49297, Last trade: 271.316565, 24 hour volume: 28926.99150000, 24 hour low: 255.3435, 24 hour high: 274.474125, 24 hour vwap: 262.975360513
mircea_popescu: quoth php manual : "?php /* * Makes the value of "result" congruent to "value1" modulo " value2"."
mircea_popescu: dude i had no fucking idea number theory and geometry merged.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck are numbers going to be congruent to anything.
BingoBoingo: Wasn't there some Jewish thing where numbers had location or some shit.
mircea_popescu: kaballa ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, that stuff Madonna was into
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in engl. numbertheory books, 'congruence' is the predicate with the 'triple equals sign', ≡
assbot: Congruence -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGIXKh )
mircea_popescu: "exactly identical" ?
asciilifeform: 'congruent modulo m'
mircea_popescu: i had nfi.
asciilifeform: whatddaya call it in ro
mircea_popescu: i like bitching here. i learn things.
asciilifeform: in ru, the numbers are 'сравнимы по модулю'
asciilifeform: (comparable on modulus)
mircea_popescu: "egal cu X modulo Y"
asciilifeform: aha so like ru.
mircea_popescu: tho apparently the english usage has been spreading.
mircea_popescu: tbh it's not a bad innovation
asciilifeform: generally, barring pathological cases, shorter -> better in maths notation
mircea_popescu: it does have significant similarities with actual congruence, so it's correcrtly oriented intuitively, and a word is prolly needed
mircea_popescu: i just throw severe exceptions when reading math with unexpected words in it, for obvious reasons.
asciilifeform: what kind of reader ~doesn't~ throw exceptions when encountering undefined symbol
mircea_popescu: the reddit reader.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, 363954 on dulap
asciilifeform: 363736 on local box -connect-ed to mircea_popescu-node
mircea_popescu: it is, in fact, the one difference i see. there are the people who, when confronted with an unexpected symbol, DREAM UP a story involving it. then there are the people who fling the text across the room.
asciilifeform: are there multiple forklets ?
asciilifeform: anything peculiar at 363954 ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea how you'd have stopped at 54.
asciilifeform: stalled for a few hrs now
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 363989 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 906 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: i dun think there's another fork.
mats: buttcoins rise again
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the height of your node ?
mircea_popescu: which one ?
mircea_popescu: the one i published is gonna stay at the place it is for i wanna look at this fork more.
asciilifeform: aha that one
mircea_popescu: it hurts nothing doing this, imo.
asciilifeform: i have a snapshot btw
mircea_popescu: ie, it still does what it was meant to do (publish the old blocks) and it keeps a valuable datapoint for the future.
asciilifeform: in case anyone needs it for something
asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer
mats: with all this going on, are you making progress on the cardano?
asciilifeform: mats: if you are interested in cardano, take the time to read this month's broadcast.
assbot: No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR83sq )
asciilifeform: (it is always found on mircea_popescu's www)
mats: alright
asciilifeform bbl in a spell
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79460 @ 0.00052447 = 41.6744 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35200 @ 0.00052012 = 18.3082 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRb1gx )
pete_dushenski: greeks -reject- ?!
pete_dushenski: "no moar austerity, we have our dignity"
punkman: guess if your bank account is empty you don't care much about capital controls
pete_dushenski: "we deserve it because our great^100-parents were useful and smart and had slaves and culture and everything"
pete_dushenski: and if you've never used plastic, who cares that it's now limited in use
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 17:25:22; kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works,
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla can we has tickers ?
williamdunne: kakobrekla: is bit4x profitable?
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: I'd assume like a standard CFD brokerage but they hedge the bitcoins to USD also
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: now that'd be neat.
mircea_popescu: yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: hourly and large trade.
pete_dushenski: start pricing assets in something other than, as you said, zimbabwean pula
pete_dushenski: particularly the hard assets like oil, food, etc.
mircea_popescu: we kick the "btc balance bot" thing in gear, next thing you know i can sit here and go
mircea_popescu: !buy C.WTI 185 && $pay ^
mircea_popescu: and end up with 1.8mn barrels o' oil.
pete_dushenski: that's so cool it's almost evil.
mircea_popescu: isn't it ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla show yourself!
pete_dushenski: "on Saturday, China's top brokerages pledged to collectively buy at least 120 billion yuan ($19.3 billion) of shares to help steady the market, and would not sell holdings as long as the Shanghai Composite Index remained below 4,500."
pete_dushenski: "Some analysts suggest total margin lending, both formal and informal, could add up to around 4 trillion yuan."
pete_dushenski: "The government is anxiously awaiting the market opening on Monday to see if the new measures will halt a 30 percent plunge in the last three weeks,"
mircea_popescu: no it won't.
pete_dushenski: not a fucking chance.
mircea_popescu: ten-twenty years of building tin towns for tin women are catching up with them
mircea_popescu: so much wastage hidden under the rug by the "communist party" that... well...
pete_dushenski: the graph of the shanghai index is pointier than madonna's tits.
williamdunne: The fact that they're having to do it, demonstrates the weakness of the markets and should surely inspire less confidence! Seems stoopid
mircea_popescu: curious if this sends the chinese on a "democratizing" kick to texas.
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: well, it IS stupid. also phree money for traders.
williamdunne: pete_dushenski: Stoopid is all over the shop
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what would that look like in your mind ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: btw deedbot.org is on a box that'll happily serve up the goods if referenced by another cname
kakobrekla: yeah i can add some sort of ticker-on-demand at some point.
trinque: moved the hosting from s3 to my own nginx
trinque: got the fucker in a state where it'll be less of a pain in the arse to work on in the future
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i guess you just meant chinese invading 'merica ?
trinque: fancy one-script deploy and errethang
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: cool beans.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now.
mircea_popescu: and how about you do all this this week. i know i would trade on this system
mircea_popescu: and i bet you i would not be the only one.
williamdunne: I'd be an infrequent user
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski ah that. yes, like this always happens : chinese navy gets ordered to camp out between galveston and florida keys, us navy gets warned to stay the fuck out of their way. what are they going to do, fight ? the us is not fight worthy.
mircea_popescu: and next thing you know it chinese soldiers are on the ground looking to arrest obama to take him before miloshevich's tribunal
mircea_popescu: and to protect the citizens of baltimore from the criminal "federal government" with its long list of human rights abuses.
trinque: that recent chinese assessment of USian human rights was pretty lulzy
williamdunne: trinque: Source?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla oh and e) have it deedbot a statement gpg'd to the owner's key each month, listing their assets.
assbot: Full text of Human Rights Record of the United States in 2014 - Xinhua | English.news.cn ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRdibI )
kakobrekla: right now there are more urgent things on the plate, once api is working as id like we can do something like dat. until then you can run the platform with wine.
mircea_popescu: gotta serve the customer kako.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, i dun think the need for this will go away, so. take your time.
williamdunne: trinque: Cheers
trinque: williamdunne: "and you X negroes" more or less
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:17:26; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works,
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: two outcomes from u.s. citizen perspective : a) "all hail the chinese, our lords and saviours" leading into much cock sucking, or b) "git off our turf yellow niggers !" leading into much guerilla warfare a la afghanistan
trinque: gonna be B
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski dude gtfo, there is no b.
mircea_popescu: what b ?
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: will look into it. thx !
trinque: I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation
mircea_popescu: they're currently welcoming the rights of transsexuals and the obsese. what b?
trinque: big country, still
pete_dushenski: huge country
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure there's gonna be some guerilla.
mircea_popescu: guess what ? there's some guerilla in the ukraine too.
mircea_popescu: who ever interviews them ?
trinque: oh yeah, not saying it'll *matter*
mircea_popescu: well ok then.
pete_dushenski: even 300 mn fat tards leaves, what, 30 mn fighters ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski you're off your rocker
mircea_popescu: there are not 100k people able to fight a war in the us currently.
pete_dushenski: so there's 80k, that's a lotta guerillas
mircea_popescu: war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself.
ben_vulpes: trinque: ain't gonna be b.
mircea_popescu: 80k is not a lot of mobsters.
mircea_popescu: what lot of guerilla.
trinque: ben_vulpes: you people never leave the cities, do you?
trinque: there are still rednecks with assloads of weaponry
trinque: whether they'll amount to anything, sure
trinque: but people will get shot
pete_dushenski: 80k suicide bombers ?
mircea_popescu: trinque dude, the gritted dissent of the peasantry was never a notable historical fact
mircea_popescu: which is why it was never recorded.
trinque: I just expect shitty times in between now and then, whenever then is
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski right. except atm those people whio would suicide bomb hate obama more than the chinese
mircea_popescu: because inept governance has managed to alienate all the people who matter to cater to the people who vote.
trinque: mircea_popescu: but they hate obama mostly because they're having the reaction to "strange" you've noted
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: anyways, not like i'm defending the toughness of the americans, i'm just saying that b exists, not same as it being probable
trinque: not for any rational reason
trinque: he's just black and smiles too much
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt this.
ben_vulpes: trinque: the rednecks will be the reason china gets involved.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how so ?
ben_vulpes: texas needs either zetas or chinks to hold its border to the north.
ben_vulpes: and china's the only one of those two groups today with ships and ship-launched rockets with significant distance capabilities.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation << they seem to be dealing with a northern occupation just fine.
BingoBoingo: I could see a mixture of A and B with the Chicoms tolerating B in the areas uneconomical to occupy.
mircea_popescu: quite exactly.
trinque: that's basically what I'm saying.
mircea_popescu: and if you wanna b-talk, go to the b-tard reservation
trinque: chaos everywhere that doesn't matter
mircea_popescu: just like the us works now, so it won't even be strange.
jurov: and i guess chicoms will be happy to leave all the desert to mexico
mircea_popescu: what, you think maryland's not chaos everywhere "that doesn't matter" ?
mircea_popescu: go walk the streets at night.
trinque: I've been, not hungry enough yet though
BingoBoingo: I mostly curious if the Chicoms farm Iowa or mine the uranium under Iowa
trinque: ^ this seems wishful to me
mircea_popescu: that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks.
trinque: russia is not gone though the soviet union dissolved
mircea_popescu: the chinese would farm the shit out of that thing, to the bare bedrock.
mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.
mircea_popescu: and so... is no doubt in my mind the chinese are getting the us.
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mircea_popescu: how and when, well... no idea
ben_vulpes: i can see them either filling a power vacuum or backing an secession.
trinque: ben_vulpes: now there's a theory that works a bit better imo
trinque: something like the US is doing now in western ukraine
mircea_popescu: (you may think "oh, wouldn't it be more logical to do africa first ?" and no, it wouldn't. africa's inhabited by monkeys currently, so it doesn't matter. same pattern played out in 1705 - napoleon went after europe not after the us. because in 1705 the us was africa)
ben_vulpes: same thing i said before, really.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. << Seriously big chunks or Arable land in Kansas went from farmed to feral in the past two decades.
trinque: ben_vulpes: far more plausible than china's going to land on the coast like normandy
mircea_popescu: fallow not feral. feral's about animls.
ben_vulpes: trinque: ah, i only meant to suggest that they might park an armada offshore to provide fire support.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Commercially I think there will be fairly rapidly increasing Chinese investment in parts of Africa. Although that is a different matter.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne sure. and the us was built on european gold, look into the various panics culminating wit van buren
BingoBoingo: Oh, no. Completely feral. No one knows who the last title holder was on chunks of the place. I'm not talking unfarmed because it is out of the rotation. I'm talking retired from the being farmed business.
ben_vulpes: and with the work they're *doubtless* doing on autonomous flugenatoms that's going to be some impressive air support
mircea_popescu: but that's a diff story as you say
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes two things about chinese material research : a) american folk go "chinese have it so much better because their financing is secure" and b) they're spending about 10x more than the us
mircea_popescu: (real terms, nobody cares you paid your neighbour ten cents to claim you paid him ten trillion billions so you're rich now)
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: Greeks are now facing the Disqus problem; https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/617750418479820800
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188518 < ascii I was just thinking that a 'fork watcher' is desperately needed
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 20:44:56; asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer
mircea_popescu: williamdunne fuck the greeks. they should have bought btc for every penny they had. they did not
mircea_popescu: why, because they're too good for their shit to stink ?
mircea_popescu: i hope half the country starves and the rest gets sold into prostitution in rural india.
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I'm not handing out sympathy here. But yes, I agree. Ah well, they're providing a lesson that is cheap for the rest of the world re; ownership
mircea_popescu: rest of the world won't listen until it starves too
mircea_popescu: not that i mind.
williamdunne: It's fine, I'll start hoarding tins of beans
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187792 << like most things, it was relationship building. they challenge being that i was always starting out as the devil and had to spin my way into the good books.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 00:35:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185497 << what's the job mostly, looking at deep frozen pork bellies ?
pete_dushenski: few restauranteurs and fewer landlords ever wanted a call from me, but too bad, i'm calling
pete_dushenski: but since my stick was so large and cumbersome to use, i had to finesse my way around problems
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pete_dushenski: where stick = legislation
williamdunne: When was there ever an agile stick?
pete_dushenski: in the hands of a ninja ?
decimation: People I know who are from greece tell me that anyone who is worth a shit left long ago
williamdunne: turtles?
decimation: it's become the puerto rico of europe
pete_dushenski: williamdunne: yes.
punkman: there are plenty of people left if you ask me :P
mircea_popescu: decimation the particular thing that annoys me is that the fuctarded anglos traded greece for romania after ww2, because oh noes, got forbid the english "Aristocratic" fauntleroys get separated from the fabled homeland of collegiate faggotry.
williamdunne: punkman: plenty of people, or plenty of people worth a shit?
mircea_popescu: such a good deal this was, srsly.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I wouldn't be too upset, the romanians are taking the piss from the uk right now - talk to any london cabbie
punkman: williamdunne: only the latter is "people"
mircea_popescu: i am not upset in the slightest, tis history.
williamdunne: punkman: and the former are?
mircea_popescu: people gotta know why their ears are nailed to which board.
williamdunne: "The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK has risen by 15% year-on-year, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show. In the last three months of 2014 there were 172,000 people working in the UK who had been born in one of the two eastern European countries"
williamdunne: Can't be taking the piss that much
decimation: actually an enterprising young man from the uk ought to move to romania and start a factory
mircea_popescu: that'll go over well :D
punkman: williamdunne: the great unwashed, we don't care about those
williamdunne: punkman: A shorter name available?
mircea_popescu: williamdunne do those statistics distinguish romanians and gypsies ?
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: They say born in Romania, so yeah I guess it includes Romani born in RO
decimation: do pikeys count as gypies too?
mircea_popescu: gypsies are a migratory sort, they're not anymore romanian than austrian, french or british
mircea_popescu: decimation i think so.
jurov: they are no longer migratory
mircea_popescu: yeah, so said the sultan, cca 1400
williamdunne: decimation: Generally people don't differentiate between Romani and the Irish traveller sort - all come under the name 'gypsy' in the common tongue
mircea_popescu: williamdunne they're not really irish either lol. just called irish in england like they're called hungarian in some parts of romania
williamdunne: Just throw it into the stew, why not
decimation: it's interesting that they didn't really come to the us
williamdunne: decimation: I was lead to believe there was a growing "Irish" traveller population in the US
decimation: I've never seen one that was obvious
trinque: there are stinking punk kids that call themselves "travelers" here
cazalla: the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years
decimation: then again there's enough land in the us that you could live in bumfuck nowhere and not bother folks so much
punkman: trinque: lol I can picture that
trinque: punkman: just losers in their 20s panhandling because as mircea_popescu said, nobody cares enough to beat them up for it
decimation: those we got plenty of, but I never saw any evidence that they had families and culture
trinque: no, nothing of the sort
mircea_popescu: actually gypsy culture would stand out like the second coming in the us
mircea_popescu: stuff like burning man etc stand for the peak of it there, but it's just about life 101 in gypsyland
jurov: l0l
mircea_popescu: anyway. actually genetic gypsy people don't drink well. this, they have in common with the hungarians. hence the entire thing in romania.
mircea_popescu: contrairiwise, the irish drink quite well, russian-like
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo "This incident highlight" << missing 's'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: also "it is time for any last pretense of Bitcoin Core's development having any actual relationship to the actual living core of the Bitcoin Network." << time for what ?
jurov: time for drink!
mircea_popescu: with a yo ho ho
cazalla: such talk is triggering
mircea_popescu: i suppose the closest approximation of gypsy culture accessible in the us would be stuff like eve online.
mircea_popescu: not exactly trolling, not exactly wot, not exactly industrious. something.
jurov: nah, eve online has rules. more like eulora
mircea_popescu: btw, did you hear i'm gonna fuck up skills next ?
jurov: yes
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188654 < oh, there's plenty that would resist an in-your-face takeover of the us by the chinese
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:43; mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive.
decimation: but nearly all of this opposition would be happy to work in exchange for chinese money
mircea_popescu: decimation orly.
mircea_popescu: hjahaha mkay.
decimation: yeah definitely
jurov: they don't need in-your-face
decimation: no, they don't work that way
mircea_popescu: the chinese don't do in your face anyway
jurov: just buy the land with ..useless trinkets
jurov: :D
mircea_popescu: jurov shut up this facebook autoposter is great! really needed for it simplifies my lyf!!1
mircea_popescu: also bought half dozen self licking icecream cones, you never know
decimation: they just open a huawei factory in texas, texas pays them to do so http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Huawei-Moves-to-Legacy-Place-II-Promises-600-Jobs/116355
assbot: Huawei Moves to Legacy Place II, Promises 600 Jobs - CoStar Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIgnZC )
decimation: because... they will help fund the real estate bezzletron
mircea_popescu: or so the bezzletron thinks
decimation: the chinese are willing to wait 100 years until your lease on hong-kong runs out
decimation: they would be willing to wait until the locals capitulate and beg them for jobs
mircea_popescu: oh, they won't dispute that. they will USE IT.
williamdunne uses twitter autoposter
mircea_popescu: "see, we're not even taking their lease on hong konmg. clearly we are the empire of law"
decimation: oh yes round-eyed master, you are great
mircea_popescu: you don't take over the enemy's things. you just make them be a burden to him now.
mircea_popescu: or, as the ever wise azn someguy or the other observed, "what good is your gold to you now ?"
decimation: on the freakonomics podcast, they had a guy on (retired army colonel) complaining that usg has nobody who thinks about anything strategic now
decimation: not that they ever did, really
mircea_popescu: arguably did at some point.
decimation: plenty of folks in usg and elsewhere see the big picture problems, but the usg throne seems to always get itself into 'urgent but unimportant' problems that distract them from any kind of long-term strategy
mircea_popescu: in any case, this all comes back to pete_dushenski attempts at education. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158290
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 16:46:31; mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful.
mircea_popescu: basically, the usg has managed to alienate itself from the thiny sliver of people who actually matter.
mircea_popescu: this is a mortal sin nobody and nothing ever recovers from.
mircea_popescu: if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there."
mircea_popescu: once i observe it it's fucked.
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mircea_popescu: decimation strategic thinking is not the result of "thinking about big problems". the epitome of this distinction is here : http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-35.0-35.271
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mircea_popescu: that's a guy "thinking about big problems". he is no different from a dog thinking about bacon.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the strategic problems are often disguised as mundane things. i know at least a coupla of times my clock fucking stopped right here, over apparently nothings. and what the inept represent as "big problems" is almost never a usable or even vaguely correct representation. all about 'em, their emotional conflux, stuff like that.
decimation: often I find 'big problems' are unsolvable with any clear action anyway
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mircea_popescu: and the epitome of ~that~ distinction is as far as i know best illustrated by tornatore. in "l'uomo delle stele".
mircea_popescu: the plot is that a guy goes through villages with a broken camera, tricking people into paying him to make them cinema stars.
mircea_popescu: one of the rural inhabitants of a post-war italy that looks like 1300 ad is a shepherd. and he tells, the story of sherperding, specifically, that he talks to the stars
mircea_popescu: and sometimes wonders if the stars are real or the world is real.
mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago.
mircea_popescu: obviously if you restart the process of 5k years ago with the means of 5k years ago you will get the comensurate results. this is a fact, because the processors still work, and in the same way.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless... this isn't, actualy, a big problem. hasn't been, for five millenia.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help us if we have to fork human thought that deep.
mircea_popescu: the general fate of "o noes, we will be poor" decay-of-civilisation ~small thinkers~ envisage is nothing compared. romania went through three of these in a century, was fine, will be fine. so will the us, if that's all it is.
mircea_popescu: once you have to start forking the thoughts tho... that's gonna be hard.
assbot: satoshi_pokemoto comments on Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H27rJ9 )
decimation: yeah I think I follow. it's kinda the root of ascii's complain about computing stuck in the 70's
mircea_popescu: i suspect so.
mircea_popescu: (the three, for the studious : 1929 ; 1945 ; 1989. the ww1 was not on the list, but instead a great time for romania. unexpectedly enough. young cvountry)
williamdunne: cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism
shinohai: > Did Gavin sleep with Mircea's wife or something? This article #9281 from qntra claiming that Gavin is incompetent.
mircea_popescu: wasn't the guy married to some chick people were more or less jokingly proposing to be satoshi in early say 2010-2011 ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla ahaha wait, BingoBoingo is mpoepr ?!?!
mircea_popescu: bb show us your tits!
mircea_popescu: cazalla here's a funny : one view shows the article at 5 votes and 8 comments. the other, 6 votes, 6 comments
mircea_popescu: obviously these can't be both true.
mircea_popescu: and yet qntra is supposed to be censoring stuff. go fig.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski fixed
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Where is this comment calling me MPOE-PR?
BingoBoingo: Apparently reddit ate those allegations/compliments
williamdunne: /r/buttcoin
BingoBoingo: williamdunne: No I clicked the link and it gave an error instead of showing great comment.
assbot: Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G26Qq1 )
williamdunne: Yeah, they deleted it before I could pay my witicisms
BingoBoingo: Does anyone have the actual text of the comment?
cazalla: it was just a oneliner that you are probably mp
BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought you were MP
BingoBoingo: And anyways I thought you said they said I was MPOE-PR
BingoBoingo: This is a crisis of existential proportions! I don't know who the Buttcoin public thinks I am.
asciilifeform is pleased to not have this problem
williamdunne: You're all MP
williamdunne: We're all MP
cazalla: nah, mircea_popescu said that, must've misread or we've gone inception or something
williamdunne: I'm MP
asciilifeform: bourbaki.
cazalla: daily weather forecast if anyone needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePG6zUYvUZg
assbot: Ozzy Man Reviews: Yanet Garcia & Mexican Weather - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G28h7G )
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 22:38:21; mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago.
assbot: Logged on 05-11-2014 00:20:25; asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens.
asciilifeform: or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end'
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu points out, 'thought forks' are ruinously expensive
asciilifeform: makes global thermonukefest look like a cheap carnival ride
asciilifeform: if fork is deep enough.
asciilifeform: look how much of the 'thoughtchain' the folks flying the mohammedan flag ended up having to ditch
asciilifeform: (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!)
asciilifeform: the fella we keep bringing up, who directed his followers to use caesar's cipher, was actually being the very example of intellectual consistency here.
asciilifeform: doing anything more recent - even, e.g., a 16th century italian cipher like gerolamo cardano's grille - would be quite inconsistent with the whole framework
asciilifeform: why not, e.g., vernam (one time pad)? seemingly low-tech. but in point of fact, i can picture the conversation. 'provably unbreakable.' 'by what proof' '...' 'ah, but this mathematics is not in our wot.'
assbot: Logged on 15-11-2014 00:37:34; asciilifeform: let's pretend that it just happened to fall upon the earth.
asciilifeform: resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem.
asciilifeform: it is not even clear that this is something you would actually ~want~ a 'solution' to
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decimation: asciilifeform: indeed. it is an interesting point about the muslims, having to square the circle of islamic teaching forced them off the 'trunk' onto a backwards branchline
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/06F9WDH << original sauce.
assbot: dpaste: 06F9WDH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KENcIy )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that math wot reduces to, having the right people to laugh at you.
decimation: I would also note that hardly anyone who builds on the mainline 'thought trunk' is aware of the fact that they are doing so
decimation: as in their ideas only look foundational in retrospect
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!) << quite exactly this.
decimation: spoils of which war? usg occupation?
mircea_popescu: "that thing which the usg deems an occupation in the manner krill occupies a whale"
decimation: the krill could claim to compose nearly all of the wale
decimation: might even scheme to move the whale's path
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing.
mircea_popescu: i've been peppering ag3ntzero guy with exactly this for the past week
mircea_popescu: because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT.
mircea_popescu: decimation their branchline is in no sense backwards. it is currently the consensus of thinking people (alf said "ru", but really, i agree, everyone with any sense agrees, ru is no determinant) that they are in point of fact broadly correct,
mircea_popescu: just the fact that they enjoy a defacto monopoly on criticism makes YOU backward.
mircea_popescu: the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast.
mircea_popescu: btw nice article BingoBoingo
BingoBoingo: thanks
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 13:08:28; mats: pgpdump really needs a rewrite...
mircea_popescu: by now it's getting to be a safe assumption ;/
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 14:50:21; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap is still wedged. and apparently this is not a terribly good place for a node, phuctor gets i/o-starved and dies
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:11:48; asciilifeform: in general principle: destroy backups (the morons often make this possible!), produce leaks from which there ~can be no recovery~, etc
mats: i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories
mircea_popescu: "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188255 << i dunno that it's known as anything from there, but i'll point out to you that a) the only time this was ever successful was when the jews did it to hitler in the 30s. the cost was, a practical end to that ethnic group, because the jews calling themselves jewish today are not the central european hasids who were to jewry in 1920 what china is to asia today. they
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:17:05; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188084 << this is known, from mr mold's articles, as the 'kick the dog till it bites then shoot it' algo
mircea_popescu: got practically some indonesians or somesuch. not even counting the significant costs to the helpers - the british empire ended up dismantled as a result, in a manner very much reminiscent of the "fetlife dmca's mp, and as a result some random dc in the us pays for mp's yacht".
mircea_popescu: and b) it has never worked since. never.
mircea_popescu: so to sum up : not usian but jewish ; not effectual generally but once ; not effectual at all but VERY expensive.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, the lefty "tactics" are purely sexual behaviours. if you examine it through the lens of "i am looking at an anal child", it's readily apparent they're seeking parental contact.
mircea_popescu: btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped ?
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188270 << they're as good as the entire us navy, which idem could not stop. so it makes sense, they're serving all the symbolic purpose that can be served, at the cost that can be borne.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:58:04; mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island
mircea_popescu: as you say yourself lol. nm.
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mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-june-2015-statement/ << i kid you not , tangibles moved by 20.666 this month
assbot: MPIF (F.MPIF) June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIg7LE )
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 16:30:55; ben_vulpes: you have the weirdest fetishes.
mircea_popescu: anyway, ima support this. brb.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00052461 = 5.2986 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00052461 = 5.1674 BTC [-]
assbot: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIhNVn )
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 17:59:30; asciilifeform: also interestingly, it has 10 peers and no tx garbage scrolling in debug.log
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32250 @ 0.00053155 = 17.1425 BTC [+]
mats: HT does 'hax for hire' as USG subcontractor. lulz.
mats: half a tb of emails and code there.
mats: (they got pwned, if that wasn't clear)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ << 1 btc. << fwiw I did try creating the callgraphs in doxygen with SVG format; the graphs looked ok, but the links were all broken etc. maybe someone else has a better way to solve this.
assbot: [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDAl7I )
mod6: ( & perhaps a different tool )
decimation: !up ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: hey whats up decimation thanks
ag3nt_zer0: just looking at the log here and feeling stupid haha
decimation: critical self examination is the root of learning
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188869 << well I am trying to grasp what is being talked about here and what I am missing
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:24; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00052461 = 4.3543 BTC [-]
ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188871 << please excuse my obtuseness, but what is "THAT"? ability to resolve "THE PROBLEM" of a thoughtchain fork?
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:52; mircea_popescu: because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20400 @ 0.00053137 = 10.8399 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mats, mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188920 << gotta mirror this
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 02:22:58; mats: half a tb of emails and code there.
asciilifeform: in other news, Run Moar Winblowz!!!11!!
asciilifeform: esp usg subcontractorz plz.
asciilifeform: in yet other nyooz, still wedged at 363954.
mod6: 318k+
asciilifeform: note that 363954 is 1) past the nominal ph0rkpoint 2) on a public node
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 01:21:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188232 << is this a problem after syncing ?
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 01:23:43; mats: i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories
asciilifeform: fuck oopisms
asciilifeform: (oop systems which aren't clos (or possibly smalltalk's, and generally meta-object-able) are like btc securities exchanges which aren't mpex.)
asciilifeform: better to have nothing than a shit-wine hybrid barrel.
mats: you'll not enjoy reading the key server code then
asciilifeform: which ?
mats: mne
asciilifeform: can't be any worse than bitcoind
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77300 @ 0.00052897 = 40.8894 BTC [-] {3}
mats: mine*
asciilifeform: (or could it)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla, anybody else: can we get a mirror of that half-megatonne of shit ?
mats: most complicated machinery is flask and a postgres wrapper
mats: you'll just have to find out
asciilifeform: mats: that's almost exactly a description of 'phuctor', l0l
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39700 @ 0.00052059 = 20.6674 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188450 << all urls are shortened to the same length which is 22 characters, leaving 118 left for the title plus a space to separate it from the url. very few titles are longer than this
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 20:06:46; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't
assbot: Thomas Piketty: “Germany has never repaid.” — Medium ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGC7Ei )
decimation: "if you don't have a debt jubileee it's like you are shoveling jews into the furnace"
williamdunne: danielpbarron: Thanks, I'll fix it to take that into account tomorrow
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov http://www.gnu.org/software/global << interesting potential replacement for 'lxr'
assbot: GNU GLOBAL source code tagging system ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHxhXK )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Fun with UB in C: returning uninitialized floats ... ( http://bit.ly/1HGDumw )
asciilifeform: 'The average C/C++ programmer's intuition says that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't depend on their values. A more experienced programmer probably suspects that uninitialized variables are fine as long as you don't access them. ... Well, it turns out that even if the caller does nothing at all with the return value – ever... ... the program might bomb.'
mats: wat
assbot: CPU Flame Graphs ... ( http://bit.ly/1NHyDS8 )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu minor nitpick with article: 'bitcoin core' is what the gavinists call their turd. the traditional client is generally known as 'bitcoind'.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i don't give a flying fuck personally, but the terminology might sow some confusion among readership
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3789 @ 0.00052781 = 1.9999 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50724 @ 0.00052781 = 26.7726 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 06-07-2015 00:50:10; mircea_popescu: the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast.
asciilifeform: nor are the 'desert horde' exempt from the radiation damage of welfarism. ferfuxxsake they're getting free tanks by the column !
asciilifeform: just think of the moral degeneration from ~that~
decimation: not to mention the generations of inbreeding
asciilifeform: eh, that one's survivable
asciilifeform: ask the hassids
decimation: nevertheless, isis is certainly where you would find someone who knows how to survive a shitstorm
asciilifeform: (though there is some debate as to whether it matters ~which~ type of cousin one fucks)
asciilifeform: depends what means 'survive' and 'shitstorm'
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