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mats: Billy Bob Thornton is one creepy dude
decimation: mmm hmm
decimation: actually if there's hope for the us, it seems to be with the states
BingoBoingo: Around these parts he would be white tie formal
decimation: apparently colorado and others can just preempt federal law if they feel like it, and the feds are 'unable' to do anything
mats: whats that you're referring to
decimation: the whole pot thing
decimation: if you are gonna waste your time on us politics, the most effective use would be state plebecites
mats: o, 'federalism when convenient'
decimation: mats: yeah but it kinda demonstrated that the feds are a paper tiger
mats: feds are still busy fucking the state
mats: mmj dispensaries cannot deposit funds into national anks
decimation: as long as the 'reform' you want is popular, the fed's hands are tied to a degree
mats: makes them an easy target for unscrupulous opportunists
decimation: mats: so vote on state law preempting federal bank regulation
mats: that works until scotus tells you to fuck off
decimation: yeah but here's the thing, the feds don't want to go to scotus
decimation: in case they lose
decimation: that's why they didn't take colorado to court, for instance
mats: i think i'll have to bone up on my case law for this conversation
decimation: please do. if we can get someone to author anti kyc/aml regulation in some state it would be a huge win for bitcoin
decimation: this whole hastert affair still pisses me off. imagine if a state voted to make it illegal for a bank to report your cash transaction to the feds
assbot: Charleston church shooting: Multiple deaths reported - CNN.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1Bp7Xoe )
decimation: oh lordy, white man shootin' black people. gonna be trayvon all over again
BingoBoingo: "clean-shaven white man" << So much suspicion avoided by keeping a beard
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> Now clay is a material with wildly inconsistent properties << the difference between properly fired fine clay and the bizarre ceramic-like metal replacement the chinese use is slight.
mircea_popescu: (break a "solid metal" chinese item - see the porous microstructure)
asciilifeform: ^ zamac
BingoBoingo: "fine clay" << /me mostly considers lical jungle clay of which there is an abundance.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167211 << not so simple. gotta get fingerprinted, filed in triplicate, and letter of permission from local sheriff (automatic in some states, a definite 'never' in others) plus subject to random inspections.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 03:47:32; decimation: apparently you can craft your own suppressor if you pay USG $200
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i thought zamac is actually an alloy not a carbide
decimation: asciilifeform: some forums I read suggest that they can't inspect your weapon (without a warrant), just the tax stamp
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: alloy. but shows the property described here.
decimation: asciilifeform: in maryland I suspect the answer is always no
decimation: unless you are friends with the governor or whatever
assbot: JL: The Stop Gap Tank ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4X7oT )
decimation: lol "Other useless features were pistol ports (in the middle of a tank battle I am going to throw my 1911.45 cal handgun into the mix!),"
decimation: imma shoot you with my pistol! pew pew!
decimation: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
asciilifeform: late-model t-34 had them
asciilifeform: they aren't for 'tank battle'
asciilifeform: but for keeping infantry off your back
asciilifeform: (if the coaxial guns jam, presumably)
decimation: sure, but what about .50 cal on top
decimation: at any rate, if a competent infantryman gets close enough to be killed by pistol - you are already dead
assbot: Panzerfaust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4YJ1T )
asciilifeform: could have had 'psychological' reason for the ports, such as preventing crew from leaving machine prematurely
decimation: yeah, anything to make them think they aren't gonna die in a fire or hail of metal shards
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60400 @ 0.0004424 = 26.721 BTC [-]
decimation: although I guess the early panzerfausts only had a 30m range!
asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeb3ZLb-wJ4 << obligatory. transl. of ultra-famous ru song on subject.
assbot: На поле танки грохотали (English Version) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1N4ZpUT )
decimation: this means the most obvious anti-tank move for infantry is the traditional one - ambush
mircea_popescu: !up lobbes
mircea_popescu: !up lobbesbot
lobbes: !rate lobbesbot 1 tis my bot
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/ae0fc5d760af1a15
lobbes: excellent
asciilifeform: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters << my favourite historic anti-tank weapon
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem those ports were probably trying to address is not "middle of tank battle" but "tank got ambushed by infantry"
mircea_popescu: small caliber not such a bad idea. bb sprayer even better, of course.
asciilifeform: didntijustsaythis
mircea_popescu: oh nm, lol.
asciilifeform: btw ru sop was to stick 'ppsh' through the hole
asciilifeform: (for those unfamiliar, approximately 'tommygun')
decimation: yeah, but if ambush is done right - not much chance to shoot back
decimation: not like infantryman is plinking your shit with his luger
lobbes: !v assbot:lobbes.rate.lobbesbot.1:8563e8638d7c36011d64878ef0c573fd68e225b2e10143bcf181008d5da4205d
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for lobbesbot with note: tis my bot
mircea_popescu: the "ambush done right" is this thing still awaiting embodiement irl.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol the infantry equiv. of a kamakaze raid
asciilifeform: banzai!!
mats: ...lol
decimation: one wonders if that if the jap could get close enough to hide in bushes - why not bury actual anti-tank mine?
asciilifeform: mines can't run.
asciilifeform: (or scream 'banzai!')
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mats: i hear the japanese are pretty good at baseball
mats: grenades for the port?
asciilifeform: mats: afaik it's 100% post-occupation thing
mats: am joking
decimation: mats: they could toss those magnetic mines, seems much more practical
decimation: lol but apparently it too was impact-triggered
decimation: poor sops in wwii didn't have a proper timer for anything
asciilifeform: decimation: netting existed in ww2
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decimation: anti-tank netting?
asciilifeform: anti-grenade netting
decimation: modern equiv is that 'slat fence' armor
decimation: asciilifeform: have you even done 'alsa' programming?
decimation: it's a shit api
asciilifeform: no and i don't intend to..
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167023 << i've stopped clicking since these apparently began including cock
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 00:39:50; mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/a0b21db7f61f3860f5eac1b1e51afd35/tumblr_nq3kdrsamT1sgfmbuo2_500.jpg
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BingoBoingo: mats: Last "World Baseball Classic" the japs were knocked out by the Netherlands to my great profit.
mats: can confirm there is no cock in that one
asciilifeform actually surprised
mats: BingoBoingo: who usually wins these things?
mats: i mean, besides presumably USA
BingoBoingo: mats: Up until 2013 the Japs. Problem is the Japs have such a toxic culture towards starting pitchers. 2013 Dominican Republic won. Semifinal Part of the USA (Puerto Rico) beat the rest of USA
mats: ic
BingoBoingo: Latin American hitting is the best. Japanesep pitching technique is great. Just Japanese coaching techniques destroys arms.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-June/000099.html << ah it warms my heart. as an aside, is theshooping in the message protocol actually necessary for anything?
ben_vulpes: (ip passing, i mean to say)
mod6: hanbot: I finally have a guide you can follow for an amd64 (x86-64) Gentoo install on physical hardware. This guide is actually part A (just the commands & notes) and part B (with examples from my own install process). trinque & I have both tested this independantly, and the steps got us to a working install. Hopefully you'll get the same result! You should probably just read through both before actually doing anything. Here are the URL's to
mod6: Thanks for the help!
mats: where da URLs at
mod6: Did it cut them off from my message?
mod6 looks at the log
mod6: Ah yeah it did. Ok, one sec:
mod6: Upon further successful testing of these guides, they'll be submitted to the mailing list, etc.
mod6: hanbot: anyway, thanks again, let me know if you have any questions.
mod6: (others are welcome to test these as well, ofc)
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hanbot: mod6 wunderbar! will be sure to pester as/if necessary. looks about a couple orders of magnitude slimmer than handbook at first glance, exciting
BingoBoingo confesses, my attraction to OpenBSD is for the easy configuration and handholding
BingoBoingo: !up diana_coman
BingoBoingo: !up Bi0
BingoBoingo: !up _biO_
BingoBoingo: !up chalbersma
chalbersma: What's up?
_biO_: > BingoBoingo !up Bi0
BingoBoingo: Not to much, saw you joined figured I'd offer voice.
_biO_: i find that offensive
BingoBoingo: _biO_: Nigga/Bitch/WHitey Plase
_biO_: just kidding, bimbobongo
BingoBoingo: Hey, i am transMehican, respect my lawn
BingoBoingo going to check my lawn and make sure it is coon free
BingoBoingo: Yup coon free yard
danielpbarron: ;;later tell ahmed_ you should spend that litcoin to a different address; I sent you the private key over plain text
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: what kind of braindamage are youdealing with oday?
danielpbarron: i had a Litecoin "paper wallet" and wanted to sell into the price surge yesterday
danielpbarron: and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23850 @ 0.0004442 = 10.5942 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you shower ?
danielpbarron: >> The coinbase transaction in block zero cannot be spent. This is due to a quirk of the reference client implementation that would open the potential for a block chain fork if some nodes accepted the spend and others did not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53700 @ 0.00044201 = 23.7359 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45100 @ 0.0004442 = 20.0334 BTC [+]
copypaste: interesting, cazalla
funkenstein_: BTCBanana: funkenstein, hahah why you invested in a tech you don't understand go read the book by andreas
danielpbarron: >> All three problems are triggering real user complaints for the Android "Bitcoin Wallet" app which implements SPV mode. In order to make chain synchronization fast, cheap and able to run on older phones with limited memory we want to have remote peers throw away irrelevant transactions before sending them across the network.
assbot: bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1IlRhuU )
funkenstein_: hmm, not much proofreading there eh?
danielpbarron: they were for keeping things small before they were against it, because it was triggering SPVs
assbot: Logged on 17-06-2015 23:28:48; ascii_field: shinohai: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Protocol_documentation#version
danielpbarron: would 0.5.3.1 reject a block as valid that spent the block zero coin base? would "XT" do the opposite?
funkenstein_: ??
danielpbarron: er.. accept a block as valid or reject it
felipelalli: This news is sooo Qntra.net: http://g1.globo.com/mato-grosso/noticia/2015/06/idoso-de-sp-e-preso-em-mt-com-mais-de-20-barras-de-ouro-em-mochila.html (an old man was arrested just to transport gold in Brazil, lol)
assbot: G1 - Idoso de SP é preso em MT com mais de 20 barras de ouro em mochila - notícias em Mato Grosso ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5qUiI )
funkenstein_: nobody suggests to accept blocks that spend new coinbases, if that's your question
danielpbarron: apparently the first coin base "can't be spent"
funkenstein_: oh you mean genesis, yeah
danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins
funkenstein_: well a lot more than that are inaccessible
funkenstein_: unknown number of lost keys
danielpbarron: right but they /could/ be spent if not for the lost data
funkenstein_: true
funkenstein_: so yeah, 20,999,950 theoretically spendable by 2130 or whenever
danielpbarron: and the unix timestamp thing is a good example of when to hard fork
danielpbarron: unless it can roll over without invalidating things
funkenstein_: it would be cool to reference genesis block as t=0 at that point
danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid
funkenstein_: though people probably prefer sticking with Jan 1 1970
funkenstein_: timestamp could be "secons since last difficulty change" too, it doesn't really matter
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16803 @ 0.00043152 = 7.2508 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: >> Only the bitcoin releases 0.1.0 up to 0.1.5 which supported only Windows 2000 / Windows NT and Windows XP (perhaps Windows Vista). The next bitcoin release 0.2.0 from Dec 2009, nearly a year later, starts to support Linux and the community got more and more actively involved in the development.
assbot: Original Bitcoin client - Bitcoin Wiki ... ( http://bit.ly/1J5rWey )
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-06-2015#1165193
assbot: Logged on 16-06-2015 18:27:51; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-06-2015#1164801 << ford went to work in a horsedrawn buggy for most of his life too.
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 266 @ 0.00466944 = 1.2421 BTC [-] {3}
cazalla: felipelalli, if you're keen feel free to write it up yourself, i don't imagine BingoBoingo or mp would take issue with that
felipelalli: cazalla: thank you to encourage me!
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26350 @ 0.00046031 = 12.1292 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Goldman Sachs introduces curfews for interns – they must go home by midnight - Business News - Business - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1Fo5kOu )
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00046037 = 7.527 BTC [+]
davout: trinque: deedbot feature request, "View deeds by user X" on deedbot.org
deedbot-: accepted: 1
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punkman: http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/ these guys are rewriting wikipedia
assbot: Info:Main Page - New World Encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HWA67y )
punkman: hmm I guess it's not new, first time google spits it out at the top for me though
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22926 @ 0.00045199 = 10.3623 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37650 @ 0.00046471 = 17.4963 BTC [+]
assbot: Airbus Defence and Space Selected to Partner in Production of OneWeb Satellite Constellation ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gulqu5 )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30047 @ 0.00045697 = 13.7306 BTC [-]
assbot: Robocon - an 18 month robocoin experience. $25k later, no machine - Google Docs ... ( http://bit.ly/1GumPRo )
pete_dushenski: !s jordan kelley
assbot: 0 results for 'jordan kelley' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=jordan+kelley
pete_dushenski: fo realz ?
pete_dushenski: well, he's the robocoin 'bitcoin atm' dude
pete_dushenski: made a big splash, first in vancouver, about 1.5 years ago.
pete_dushenski: shock, awe, kelley is basically 'bfl' for 'atms'
pete_dushenski: in other news, i finally installed openbsd on my edgerouter !
pete_dushenski: it took ubuntu to make it happen, which i hadn't used before
pete_dushenski: 14.04 or something
pete_dushenski: couldn't believe how much it *looked* like osx
pete_dushenski: just... less smooth in operation
pete_dushenski: http://hypecurioso.com/explorador-descobre-os-restos-tristes-do-programa-espacial-sovietico/ << the size and scale of the space shuttle in these pictures, representing the combined and concerted efforts of thousands of the world's best minds, is an engineering feat that's more than a bit moving.
assbot: Explorador descobre os restos tristes do programa espacial soviético ... ( http://bit.ly/1GunG4x )
pete_dushenski: everything's just so beautifully fit for use.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31200 @ 0.00046518 = 14.5136 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: ^soyuz at baikonur cosmodrome in kazakhstan, ftr
pete_dushenski: sorry, 'buran', not soyuz
assbot: Logged on 08-02-2015 05:55:37; asciilifeform: to a lesser extent also famous are other vintage home appliances, like 'buran' vacuum cleaner - http://kartmen.ru/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/20131126_162658.jpg
pete_dushenski: "When faced with the requirement to make a 200mt thrust LOX/LH2 engine, in tandem with reusability, the Soviets decided to ditch the reusable requirement."
pete_dushenski: "The end result was a powerhouse known as the Energia LV – which used four strap-on boosters, each powered by a four-chamber RD-170 engine burning with kerosene/LOX, and a central core stage with four single-chamber RD-0120 (11D122) engines fueled with liquid hydrogen/LOX"
pete_dushenski: "The immense power of the Energia provided a capacity to place about 100 tonnes in Low Earth Orbit (LEO), up to 20 t to the geostationary orbit (GEO) and up to 32 t to a translunar trajectory."
pete_dushenski: "Buran hitched the ride to space on the side of the Energia, only using her own two engines – the equivalent of the shuttle’s Orbital Maneuvering System (OMS) using GOX/Kerosene propellant – for a 66.7 m/s burn to reach a final the orbit of 251 km x 263 km."
pete_dushenski: ^for the rocketistas.
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pete_dushenski: !up referredbyloper
mircea_popescu: how goes
pete_dushenski: up at the crack of dawn this morn, thought it was 8am, it was 5:30
mircea_popescu: so lick her out.
pete_dushenski: is that even kosher ?
pete_dushenski: i kid, i kid.
pete_dushenski: though i did once wonder this.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116400 @ 0.00046254 = 53.8397 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: cunt is kosher afaik.
pete_dushenski: but not if there's hare.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26900 @ 0.00046037 = 12.384 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 88401 @ 0.00045697 = 40.3966 BTC [-]
mod6: <+hanbot> mod6 wunderbar! will be sure to pester as/if necessary. looks about a couple orders of magnitude slimmer than handbook at first glance, exciting << ah thx! yeah, just let me know if you run into any problems/questions.
jurov: gotta try it too
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:22:46; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you shower ?
asciilifeform: or did i misunderstand this question
mircea_popescu: but there is a penis ?
asciilifeform: it doesn't unscrew, no
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00046459 = 30.4771 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: how is this resolved ?
asciilifeform: the original observation was about the 'susprises' in the pr0n links, rather than penii per se
asciilifeform: *surprise
asciilifeform: sorta like, i have nothing against auto tyres, and in fact own five, but i don't want one for dinner
mircea_popescu: but the value of pornography is novelty rather than function
asciilifeform: and picture if you were served a hot, steaming tyre instead of, e.g., pie
mircea_popescu: you don't actually fuck the screen
mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.
asciilifeform: i personally swing in the direction where everything on the screen has to be recognizably woman
asciilifeform: but that's just me.
asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food
mircea_popescu: i thought you ordered everything online.
mircea_popescu: text listings ? "try our delicious lasagna"
asciilifeform: not food
asciilifeform: probably don't even want to contemplate what 'online food' gets you here.
mircea_popescu: didn't you link some pics of soviet food and declare they made you drool a little ago ?
asciilifeform: aha. those - yes
mircea_popescu: so you do actually look at pictures of food.
mircea_popescu: all hail me, the grand lord inquisitioner.
asciilifeform: and at pr0n also. when encountered in the wild, linked
asciilifeform: but won't go out to look for it
asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167369 << litecoind is no harder to set up than bitcoind
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:01:19; danielpbarron: and couldn't find any web wallet or any service that would import a private key
asciilifeform: incidentally, has anyone bothered to study litecoin sources and note, e.g., whether it 'gavinized' in the wake of bitcoin, and how ?
asciilifeform: what is it like, internally
asciilifeform: i personally can't be arsed to do this
mircea_popescu: and since inception
shinohai: Nearly all coins from the shitclone era connect to that same irc server
punkman: they still merge from bitcoin source
asciilifeform: well yes, 'worse since inception' in the documented ways
asciilifeform: punkman: aha!
asciilifeform: punkman: so did it abandon proper verification? does it 'header-first' ?
assbot: Gmane Loom ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6TAlc )
asciilifeform: ^ this lulzatron has been going for at least a week. hearn openly advocates 'gavin for fuhrer' notion
mircea_popescu: and why wouldn't he.
punkman: asciilifeform: they seem to be merging bitcoin 0.10 so I'm guessing yes
asciilifeform: very convenient that the idiot fork is breathing its last just as therealbitcoin is approaching something like usable status
asciilifeform: (re: the latter: once dns is out, and import/export-privkey are in, i will be moving my personal nodes to therealbitcoin...)
mircea_popescu: reasonabru
assbot: Jack M. Mintz: Alberta’s bad plays | Financial Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1G6UM88 )
asciilifeform: gavin: sits in car, makes motions, 'vroom, vroom' hearn: 'steal it already'
pete_dushenski: gavin: 'but this is more fun!'
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0A1PD54.txt )
pete_dushenski: !up adam_obrien
pete_dushenski: hey man !
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167508 << porn's really more like recipes than food
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:35:43; *: asciilifeform doesn't actually spend much time with pr0n, now or historically - for approximately same reason why he doesn't look at pictures of food
adam_obrien: Thanks @pete_dushenski
mircea_popescu: anyway, porn has at least the very important social function that it models female behaviour.
asciilifeform: it does ?!!
mircea_popescu: or, more properly stated : that it offers a usable, cheap counterbalance to the female community behaviour.
asciilifeform: this - sure
mircea_popescu: that thing where they gang together to try and force the male hand.
pete_dushenski: adam_obrien: np, and no need to use '@' ;)
adam_obrien: Haha - still getting used to IRC over Twitter!! AUA on reddit with Robocoin operators at 1pm EST if anyone here is interested.
mircea_popescu: adam_obrien the correct way to use this is exactly backwards : tell would be whoevers on twitter to get into the wot.
wyrdmantis prepares popcorn
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32143 @ 0.00044619 = 14.3419 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: the interest, here or anywhere, for the deeds of anyone pretending to be in cryptocurrency who doesn't meet the minimum bar of competency for that field is not unlike the interest we show scientists that can't add. "will there be nudity ?"
pete_dushenski: 1, 2, 3, 4... nudity !
pete_dushenski recalls bus ad for 'did you know that 1/5 people has genital herpes ?' as a young man, teasing 5th kid in line that he was it. because math.
mircea_popescu: such idiocy those ads.
pete_dushenski: something along the lines of '1, 2, 3, 4, jacob has genital herpes !'
asciilifeform: l0l and what of all the folks with arm and leg herpes
asciilifeform: they get no press
mircea_popescu: i dunno why epidemiology is so hard to follow, but let's add two and two together. two one : the virus is not a new introduction. two two : the virus is stable aroun 16-18% infections.
mircea_popescu: what does this mean ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: because porn
mircea_popescu: a) that infection is unrelated to exposure in any form ; b) that "fighting" pointless "battles" is the best way to waste public money in relative personal safety ; c) canada is broadly iliterate
pete_dushenski: damn, adam_obrien just left... was going to ask what 'aua' is as opposed to 'ama', and if it's 'us', who that includes. ah well.
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, most newly introduced (ie, no equilibrium reached yet) infections go from 16% to 100% in two days
asciilifeform: a) isn't quite a complete description. in the folks having the particular immune quirk which lets the thing blow up into red skin etc., exposure can plant it down in new places (thing lives in nearest nerve)
mircea_popescu: if it's been 16% for a week, you don't get it by fucking herpetic whores bareback, you get it from being genetically broken in that way
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that a sufferer of, e.g., mouth herpes, could actually infect himself with penile herpes if he were sufficiently.. flexible
pete_dushenski: flexible, or like the mythical marilyn manson, missing lower ribs
mircea_popescu: except pretty much everyone can be made to develop mouth herpes by stressing the liver in a particular manner
pete_dushenski: an 'urban myth
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what's the liver to do with it ?
mircea_popescu: i imagine some precursor protein for the supression ?
asciilifeform: and why mouth ?
mircea_popescu: cause for some reason it's where it mostly manifests, esp in young people.
pete_dushenski: probably like infected ant who crawls to top of plant to be eaten by herbivore
mircea_popescu: even leaving aside the "we've arbitrarily divided this virus up into 3 no wait 7 no wait 16 no wait nm groups", the notion that "i don't have herpes" is to be translated as "i read very little and understand even less".
pete_dushenski: mouth is where the contact is with potential hosts
mircea_popescu: this is possible.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that this virus does not lodge very far from original contact.
mircea_popescu: it's not too well understood what it does. but trivially : you don't have monolaterality in observed cases
mircea_popescu: (ie, there's no "upper lip left side" herpes)
mircea_popescu: if you look at the nerves, there's really very little contact / very good separation between the strands
mircea_popescu: so how does it jump from the right to the left trigeminus ?
asciilifeform: aha. like cabling.
pete_dushenski: so infection starts monolaterally and spreads within host (via saliva) to become bilateral ?
pete_dushenski: sounds reasonable.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also, re the liver stressing ; herpes C generates liver disease all the way to cirhosis.
mircea_popescu: but in 80% ish of alcoholics and in 3% ish of normal people.
mircea_popescu: how about that!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski your saliva is eventually shat out, but little arse herpes described.
pete_dushenski: not that the ass is nerveless, but there's certainly a much lower density there
mircea_popescu: (the one medically notable thing about alcoholics is that their liver is shot)
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski less than what ? about on par with mouth and labia/penis head.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ah, was going to say mouth. i may well be mistaken
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:33:47; mircea_popescu: and also, i am writing like the best article ever.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ?
asciilifeform: mod6 has the resource consumption data on the apparatus in question (assuming mod6 and ben_vulpes decide to ratify the requisite patches which added up to that sample)
mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you think it feasible to run one on nsa servers ?
asciilifeform: incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it most certainly is. though it will get squeezed when i roll out the multicore phuctoratron
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have read in the sense of moved my eyes over them and decyphered the letters. i have not read in the sense i understand this sufficiently.
asciilifeform: good thing it mostly consists of minus signs.
mircea_popescu: tracherous thing.
asciilifeform: if you grep for '+' at linestarts you'll get what i actually ~added~
mircea_popescu: i know how diffs work omg
asciilifeform: (summary: not much)
asciilifeform: ^ pointing out for n00bs mainly
asciilifeform: rather than mircea_popescu & co
asciilifeform is sorta imagining a 'studio audience' of folks who might actually consider using 0.5.3.next on the battlefield, pending some actual clarification of wtf we did to it
lobbes is a member of said audience
asciilifeform: there we go
pete_dushenski: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-18/ex-u-s-agent-charged-with-pocketing-bitcoins-reaches-plea-deal << shaun bridges (not to be confoozed with carl mark force) pleads guilty to silk road thefts
assbot: Ex-U.S. Agent Charged With Bitcoin Theft to Plead Guilty - Bloomberg Business ... ( http://bit.ly/1LhqDJS )
asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)
asciilifeform: then will see what obstacle, if any, remains to a static+uclibc build.
asciilifeform: if this can be had, result will become part of a 'buildroot' for pogo with swap-enabled.
asciilifeform: (now that we appear to have bounded memory footprint, adding swap is no longer 'slowing death' but 'slow life')
asciilifeform: caveat: i cannot now say ~when~ i will do this experiment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39750 @ 0.00046916 = 18.6491 BTC [+] {3}
asciilifeform: so if anyone would like to do it first, please go, do.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00047031 = 9.3121 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: buildroot?
asciilifeform: !s buildroot
assbot: 90 results for 'buildroot' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=buildroot
asciilifeform: see also therealbitcoin mailinglist
jurov: i planned to look to the patches.. then eulora came out
jurov: orly, google did it?
assbot: Lego ‘promoting unrealistic body image’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lhthzk )
pete_dushenski goes to stock up on 'pre-fairness' legos
pete_dushenski comes back, sees that fluffypony was joking. breathes sweet sigh of relief.
pete_dushenski: not that a healthy stash of lego would hurt
jurov: only if you walk barefoot
mircea_popescu: o yeah, used to get my mother all the time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.0004582 = 14.8915 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00047031 = 5.1734 BTC [+]
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <-- c) missed a chance to exercise imagination (use it or lose it)
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167519 <-- amputations you mean?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 13:39:05; asciilifeform: because a) get no work done b) still hungry at the end.
funkenstein_: whoops wrong paste
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: the problem i have with legos is construction organization of bigger sets. I have a 10k+ piece star destroyer set and if I stop working on it I always forget the step i was left.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167616 <-- amputations you mean?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 14:32:03; asciilifeform: incidentally, i've asked before and will ask again now - who has read my patches ?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: 10k piece ?! sweet baby jeebus that a big one.
pete_dushenski: but hey, lego isn't so different from any other organisation : it scales poorly
mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares what some jerk thought he would do if he had your toy ?
mircea_popescu: cue kid come visiting, "hey, is that the car ???" pointing at a yellow futuristic looking bridge with some wheels attached
pete_dushenski: is that kid gavin ?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: nvm 3k was normal star destroyer 8k for super star destroyer
mircea_popescu: lol no, razvan
pete_dushenski: the permutations and combinations that even 3k pieces would give you is pretty awe inspiring
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7037 @ 0.00047031 = 3.3096 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: heh apparently it doesn't exist anymore.
pete_dushenski: moral being : don't blame the mice who made the doodles
pete_dushenski: lego is that one toy that works like it says it will on the box
pete_dushenski: nearly indestructible pieces, endless mixable and matchable between sets
pete_dushenski: give alf a decade or two and we'll have fpga's this useable
pete_dushenski: *endlessly
mircea_popescu: i'd give him anything else rather than decades.
pete_dushenski: lol how about butan rocket
mircea_popescu: too much like a penis.
pete_dushenski: too many nerve endings eh
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00043725 = 6.0791 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43300 @ 0.00043548 = 18.8563 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: so it will be with a whimper, and not with a bang then?
mircea_popescu: !up nanashi_
nanashi_: Could I make an inquiry about BitBet's Freeseas Bet? The first three of the last four bets were "No" bets, so they should not be refunded (though it seems it's too late...).
nanashi_: https://bitbet.us/bet/1155/freeseas-inc-nasdaq-free-will-trade-at-least-0-10/
assbot: BitBet - FreeSeas INC, NASDAQ:FREE, will trade at least 0.10 USD per share before 1st July 2015. :: 3.26 B (44%) on Yes, 4.19 B (56%) on No | closed 10 hours 21 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1J62PZ7 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00043452 = 5.6922 BTC [-] {2}
nanashi_: Should I speak at "mircea_popescu tab" (which is (I think) more private?)
mircea_popescu: i do not know you. we can't talk privately for this reason.
nanashi_: ok.
nanashi_: Am I talking to a right person (about Freeseas bet inquiry), mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: nanashi_ havin' it looked into, a sec.
pete_dushenski: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 250.56, Best ask: 250.58, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 250.51, 24 hour volume: 30185.22252203, 24 hour low: 243.0, 24 hour high: 253.7, 24 hour vwap: None
nanashi_: I am "143Cz" better. I know I lost the bet, but I'm surprised the later three bets (which were all "No") were refunded (which they should not).
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13903 @ 0.00045034 = 6.2611 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: myeah. mod dropped teh ball, an' as a result im out a coupla bitcoins now.
mircea_popescu: nanashi_ thanks for pointing it out.
nanashi_: you're welcome...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12200 @ 0.00045034 = 5.4941 BTC [+]
nanashi_: I was envious of the later three "No" betters (refunded), I'm sorry!!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19778 @ 0.00045043 = 8.9086 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.
mircea_popescu: and in no case can people who aren't even aware of this hard requirement for hard forks be regarded as anything but the bumbling imbeciles discussed in http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/ entry i.
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1J65Qsf )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167394 << it wasn't ever 21 precisely, the asymptote is somewhat under that.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:09:26; danielpbarron: does this mean there are not actually 21 million coins
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167403 << there's no reason to stick with the old unix time convention. bitcoin time, starts at block 0.
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 07:17:21; danielpbarron: can't do that. the timestamp is part of what makes a block valid
mircea_popescu: everyone can just throw out their old computers. not like they're useful or anything.
danielpbarron: sure, but block zero would still have the old unix time stamp in it, or else it wouldn't be valid, right?
mircea_popescu: if you hardfork you hardfork.
jurov: that would mean bitcoin's -1th block was at 1970-01-01 :D
mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.
mircea_popescu: which is why it's best left alone.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56400 @ 0.00045114 = 25.4443 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, kakobrekla, jurov, other folks with serious servers - who wants to volunteer for node duty ? << I think the Foundation will have one, and I'll run a separate one of my own I'm sure.
mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one
mircea_popescu: will sign their ips too.
mod6: cool!
assbot: A reimplementation of NetBSD using a MicroKernel - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K0LO19 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13822 @ 0.00045401 = 6.2753 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167375 << myeah, the workaround on this thing should be interesting << Shouldn't it just roll over, no hardfork required?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 06:44:08; danielpbarron: >> A Unix timestamp recording when this block was created (Currently limited to dates before the year 2106!)
BingoBoingo: By combining 32 bit time and blockheight a hardford should be entirely unneccessary to deal with this. Can be handled in the bitcoin daemon
jurov: what if... someone mines such a hash that it loops back to genesis block?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00046147 = 9.5063 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: the timestamp is just used to figured out the difficulty
danielpbarron: i don't think it would invalidate things if two blocks had the same timestamp
danielpbarron: afaik, it has come close to happening already
danielpbarron: and it's a somewhat frequent occurence for the blocks to get mined "out of order" where the higher block height has a lower timestamp
punkman: why is timestamp used for difficulty?
punkman: oh never mind
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-problem-of-the-state << endnote iii 'sorely equipped' --> 'sorely underequipped' ?
assbot: The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1er74Sd )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: The problem of the state. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd2BhZ )
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167674 << soviet lego clone did not come with book
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 15:25:48; *: mircea_popescu has absolutely never followed the instruction
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167721 << at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:21:50; mircea_popescu: but for the record, no hard fork proposal can be seriously considered that fails to include a fix for such scatteromobilia throughout the codebase.
ascii_field: *at what level does it no longer
ascii_field: in fact, even if nothing is visibly changed, a sane rewrite is in fact arguably a hard fork
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00046147 = 6.3683 BTC [+]
ascii_field: (see the old thread re: a hypothetical ada/spark bitcoind)
mats: three cheers for open sores
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167733 << doing this sanely - which is to say, more or less precisely as i described - is neither quick, nor especially pleasant, nor remunerative. i fail to see why it would ever happen at all...
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:30:55; mircea_popescu: a hard fork is this enchanted moment when you borrow the heavenly forge and ... well... rewrite the rules.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167737 << if i omitted anything from the list of 'what remains' ( http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167631 ), everyone is invited to comment...
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 16:36:33; mircea_popescu: im definitely going to run a few, just as soon as we're in a position to actually package one
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 14:37:07; asciilifeform: my next experiment re: 0.5.3 is to be a complete amputation of dns (the sequence of 'amputator' patches starting with 'dns seeds' and continuing with yesterday's two is in place for this)
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00046373 = 12.2425 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Tank with GoPro ambush in Syrian War battle field - Street fighting scene MBT - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1MP8yAa )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90200 @ 0.00045953 = 41.4496 BTC [-] {3}
diametric: mircea_popescu: around?
danielpbarron: !up referredbyqntra
diametric: ;;later tell mircea_popescu my bitcoin isp server and ikvm went offline about 15 minutes ago. wondering if its just an outage or something else going on.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20322 @ 0.00045801 = 9.3077 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: diametric aite looking into it.
diametric: cool thanks
mircea_popescu: ascii_field aye.
mircea_popescu: diametric apparently you're getting ~14gbps worth of random packets. it's going to come back up in the coming hours as it's being mitigated.
diametric: whoa
diametric: yay for ddos
diametric: possible to get a sample capture?
mircea_popescu: ima see.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00045034 = 6.8452 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's unlikely it'll roll over without complaint. for one thing what's 0xFFFF - 0x0000 ? is it < 10 ?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: as the software is now it will likely complain, but this seems like something to be fixed in the software client rather than the block format
ascii_field: gotta love folks who write proggies using fixint time after 'y2k'
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> at what level of 'hardness' does it even make sense to retain the original blockchain, as opposed to full-bore altcoin slugfest ? << the fact that this question has not a good answer as of yet is perhaps the principal roadblock in the way of considering a hardfork at all.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of any flailings of random idiots (gavin & all), there can not be a hardfork until such a time as we have an answer to that question.
ascii_field: this is rather elementarily obvious, imho
mircea_popescu: the obvious "because our esteemed leader says so" (which already carried, exactly once, when the versions prior to 2 were forked off) doesn't carry, as the closest to such a thing extant in bitcoin is against it.
ascii_field: but my original point was, that if picking up the hammer of the gods, if/when the day comes, one may as well smite ~all~ the known idiocies, vs. only a subset
mircea_popescu: moreover, there is a list of idiocies that may not be not smitten
ascii_field: that 'fixint time' Must Die (TM) i imagine is not controversial
mircea_popescu: it's only controversial in that most of the "participants" have nfi.
ascii_field: (notice i did not say '32-bit time')
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3947 @ 0.00045034 = 1.7775 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: technically ignorance is a side to any controversy
ascii_field: only in the sense that fleas on the dogs are contenders in the 'iditarod' races
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3541 @ 0.00044341 = 1.5701 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.00045137 = 7.8087 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7400 @ 0.00044217 = 3.2721 BTC [-]
jurov: well.. some databases use 'double' for the time
jurov: with one day being == 1.0
ascii_field: fixed bit count time field >> braindamaged
jurov: what do you propose? ISO format?
ascii_field: bigint
ascii_field: (there are many ways to encode 'this is how long, and what follows is the integer itself)
jurov: encode dates in UTF-8?
jurov hides
assbot: Erik Naggum — A Long, Painful History of Time ... ( http://bit.ly/1erxxix )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26641 @ 0.00043894 = 11.6938 BTC [-]
jurov: but seriously, certain experiences make me wary of using naked numbers for datetime, i always exchange stuff using ISO 8601 format and always with timezone
jurov: the database can save them as it wants as long i can get same thing as i put in
trinque: why's parsing a single integer more dangerous than parsing a complicated string?
trinque: *in your view
jurov: 1. losing timezone is risky
trinque: store as UTC with a separate tz field
jurov: are you certain you ceonverted everything to utc?
trinque: sure
jurov: 2. js needs to multiply the value 100x
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
jurov: 3. you can't visually check the dates looks right
mircea_popescu loathes timezones.
jurov: etc.etc.
ascii_field: jurov: what time could you ever want that can't be recovered from epoch time ?
jurov: i can be never sure i have put epoch time in
ascii_field: fuck 'timezones' with red-hot poker
trinque: mircea_popescu: I tend to ignore their existence except at the last step before display
ascii_field: and ditto 'leap seconds' etc
mircea_popescu: i'd rather people had to get used to the fact they a) live in shitlandia so sunrise is at 4pm and b) they're shitlords that live in the dirt and so their interests areen't being catered to
mircea_popescu: than me having to keep changing the time.
trinque: yeah, that would be much better
mircea_popescu: fuck it, make one planet time and whoever doesn't fly enough can eat a bag of dicks.
ascii_field: earth time.
mircea_popescu: timezone is about as braindamaged as "colorsmell"
jurov: i have put a code in coinbr that checks for mandatory timezones and pops an excpetion otherwise
jurov: and it saved my ass several times
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'colorsmell' << as in what lsd users get ?
mircea_popescu: synestupidia.
ascii_field: 'gmt' exists
ascii_field: but probably not what mircea_popescu had in mind
nubbins`: have never smelled colour on lsd
ascii_field: nubbins`: but what of the opposite, the colour of a smell ?
nubbins`: smelled ozone yesterday while shorting the control panel on a 240V conveyor dryer o.O
trinque: yeah, my perception of the various senses gets diddled to the extreme, but they have never mixed
nubbins`: ascii_field nothing nearly as organized as that :D
nubbins`: salvia divinorum is way more likely to induce synesthesia anyway
nubbins`: unfortunately mp just left so he is unable to inform us that the hallucinogenic effects of drugs don't exist and we're deluding ourselves into pretending to be hallucinating
nubbins`: or w/e it was :D
nubbins` suspects mp was sold oregano as a kid and smoked it
mats: i vaguely remember mp being stoned a few months ago
ascii_field: iirc there exist 'true hallucinogens' where the user retains not a shred of doubt that the hallucinated sensations correspond to reality; and a 'false' kind, where there is doubt, and to which most extant hallucinogenic dope falls into
mats: something about the stuff being stronger than last decade or w.e
ascii_field: but having never accessed either personally, i cannot comment
trinque: nubbins`: salvia is a hell of a drug
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nubbins`: ascii_field "jimson weed" (datura) hallucinations are generally interpreted as being genuine
nubbins`: i.e. user does not feel impaired but will imagine cigarettes, people, etc
ascii_field: i also recall that the 'true hallucinogens' are generally taken once and 'wtf why did i do that'
nubbins`: trip reports for that shit on Erowid.org were always fun to read
nubbins`: yup.
nubbins`: most of the stories end in the hospital or the police station
trinque: I've heard terrible things about datura
nubbins`: people trying to sell drugs to toilets, etc
mats: all i did was walk around naked
mats: that sounds more fun
nubbins`: sounds very un-fun
nubbins`: LSD, psilocybin etc more "augment" things than anything else
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trinque: nubbins`: I tend to think of LSD as abstract-reasoning overdrive serum
ascii_field: trinque: there is apparently ample record of folks using very small (a few microgram) doses precisely this way
trinque: ascii_field: yep, too much and your brain becomes useless, multicolored mush
ascii_field: trinque: always wanted to try this, but never came close to accessing the dope
nubbins`: SWIM definitely took a half-tab and attended math class more than once at uni
mats: lol
nubbins`: ascii_field dark markets offer impossibly reliable plausible deniability
ascii_field: nubbins`: l0l at morons having dope mailed to their postbox
mats: pick up a reagent kit if you're going to do that
ascii_field: and lacking own gas chromatograph to see precisely what is in
nubbins`: ascii_field you realize that i could mail dope to your mailbox today, yes?
mats: actually, that should go without saying
ascii_field: nubbins`: i check it every day, for some reason no dope...
nubbins`: and if one day the dope shows up... what crime did you commit?
ascii_field: and no invitations from chinese emperor
nubbins`: owning a mailbox?
ascii_field: nubbins`: the crime of being nominated for police watch while checking mail
ascii_field: the mayor of the town where i live had this set up for him
ascii_field: they machine-gunned his dogs
ascii_field: aha. some bozo (opponent?) mailed him a fat crate of dope
nubbins`: so you take package from mailbox and lay it on your table for an hour.
ascii_field: and tipped off the police prior
ascii_field: they sat, watched
mats: thats brilliant
nubbins`: also, fat crate of dope != lsd
nubbins`: SWIM had to retrieve from garbage once due to extreme stealth on part of seller
ascii_field: fits in the comma at the end of a printed sentence. but for actual scientific self-experimentation a la alex shulgin one needs ~known~ dose
ascii_field: not simply 'this is a postage stamp with some amount of lsd'
nubbins`: vials of pure liquid are less common nowadays
nubbins`: tho still available
ascii_field: no 'dark'-anything will ever sell you a known amount of whatever.
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: if you say
ascii_field: it's a strictly 'wot' sort of affair
ascii_field: like buying plutonium
nubbins`: what, you think i pop online and choose a random vendor each time? :D
ascii_field: nubbins`: unless vendor is also the producer (this is, as i understand, uncommon for opsec reasons) you in fact ~are~ 'choosing random'
nubbins` throws hands in air
nubbins`: drugs are cut by dealer, not distributor
ascii_field: nubbins`: lsd is unstable in solution. and so it would stand to reason that it is parceled out to the 'stamps' where produced.
ascii_field: but i cannot say for certain.
mats: unstable in all forms
nubbins`: "As a salt, in water, cold, and free from air and light exposure, it is stable indefinitely."
nubbins`: ^ from tihkal
ascii_field: originally sold (by sandoz) in, iirc, ampules.
mats: hmm
nubbins`: clear glass ones
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: UV light destroys it in short order
nubbins`: my understanding is that crystal is dissolved in solution by producer, then laid by distributors, but i'm sure there are as many arrangements as producers and distributors
nubbins`: SWIM's source says they receive crystal and lay their own blotters, but as you say -- who knows?
nubbins`: short of sending some to a lab, all we have is subjective commentary
nubbins`: the original SR had an lsd review team w/ access to a lab
nubbins`: regularly tested tabs and posted analysis
mats: the most common arrangement i've seen is a solution of everclear and lsd
ascii_field: <nubbins`> regularly tested tabs and posted analysis << they aren't in my wot...
nubbins`: this is true. they're in mine, tho :D
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nubbins`: related reading for the curious
ascii_field owns the dead tree of 'pihkal' and 'tihkal'
nubbins`: oooooo
nubbins`: LSD-25 is (i think) the only substance that doesn't include qualitative comments
nubbins`: with the excuse given that there are plenty already and it would be absurd to cherry-pick a handful of his own
ascii_field often wonders if he's the only man alive to have 1) read the books 2) wanted to taste the items described therein 3) could not
nubbins`: nope.
punkman: I'd say that holds for the majority of readers
nubbins`: i read he was really into cacti in his later years
nubbins`: died recently iirc
ascii_field: punkman: i suspect that the majority of readers ~could~ obtain at least one or two of the items found in the pages
nubbins`: hoffman famously lived to the ripe age of 102
ascii_field: died last year, i think
nubbins`: ascii_field didn't we just establish that you could taste these things but choose not to? :D
ascii_field: nubbins`: i could taste mystery meat
ascii_field: but why would i want to do that.
nubbins`: that's why you buy from a website instead of a street dealer
nubbins`: purchase LSD on the street and i almost guarantee you'll be purchasing an NBOMe
nubbins`: purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?
ascii_field: wake me up when they're in my wot, and not opsec-retarded
nubbins` roughly shakes ascii_field
nubbins`: WAKE UP
punkman: I was recently shown a website that sold legal LSD analogues via credit card
nubbins`: remember RAC research?
ascii_field: 'analogues' l0l
ascii_field: in usa actually we have an 'analogues act'
ascii_field: specifically for folks like this
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ascii_field: ^ more than one such, even
nubbins`: i had always wondered if those research chem sites were legit
nubbins`: turns out they were :P
ascii_field: so legit they helpfully kept records of all names...
nubbins`: ;;google JLF poisonous non-consumables arrest
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punkman: nubbins`: did you ever try AL-LAD?
nubbins`: haven't had the pleasure
ascii_field: until we have a way of dematerializing physical objects and reconstituting them in a remote place without traceable motion in-between, like bits, pretty much everyone who is willing to be involved on the supply side of dope economy is retarded
nubbins`: extracted LSA once
ascii_field: because it selects for this
ascii_field: just like bitcoin-fiat exchanges!
nubbins`: ascii_field that's why we're on the demand side, not the supply side
nubbins`: it's a win-win situation for the purchaser
thestringpuller: ascii_field: okay what is your rationale on this?
ascii_field: dealing with the retarded is - at the very least - very foolish.
punkman: nubbins`: depends on location
ascii_field: thestringpuller: see thread ?
nubbins`: punkman the minimum requirement is that the supplier be located in your country.
nubbins`: it is simply not feasible to discover LSD in domestic mail
ascii_field: nubbins`: it is equally difficult to discover what in particular you actually got in that mail.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: i've been following it you never really clarified why the supply side is specifically retarded unless I missed that line?
nubbins`: ascii_field an open marketplace ensures the substance, if not the dosage.
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nubbins`: ascii_field besides, let's say you know the dosage down to the ug. What difference does that make?
nubbins`: person x will react differently than person y to the same dose.
kakobrekla: ascii_field i think nubbins` volunteers to be your test subject
nubbins`: so your tabs are 150ug instead of 200ug.
nubbins` waves hands dramatically
ascii_field: nubbins`: can then say 'i took 5ug and discovered proof of goldbach's conjecture' or 'i took 500 and learned that thirty-three is purple'
nubbins`: ascii_field the sensible thing is to purchase a ten-strip, start low and see what happens.
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nubbins`: coincidentally, this is the same procedure used when dealing with a known quantity.
ascii_field: how the hell do you even know which end of the strip is 'low' ?!
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: i mean start with a low dose
nubbins`: like, say, a half tab.
nubbins`: didn't work so well? you have 9.5 remaining
nubbins`: try a full one
ascii_field: and if you want same thing again ?
nubbins`: take another half!
ascii_field: pray to god to send you the same concentration of strip ?
punkman: ideally you'd want a properly diluted solution and a dropper
nubbins`: ascii_field well, after your TWENTY half-hit trips, you'd probably buy another ten-strip and start the process over again.
nubbins`: do you suppose you'd want to do this more than 20 times?
ascii_field: suppose.
nubbins`: so the next time, get the same vendor to sell you 50.
ascii_field: and repeat same circus again ?
mats: its always going to be a gamble
mats: laying LSD is not an exact process
nubbins`: "circus" = taking a small dose, yes
ascii_field: would you tolerate this with coffee? booze ?
mats: if you want to measure dosage, get liquid
nubbins`: ascii_field if otherwise unavailable, yes.
nubbins` points to moonshine
mats: people already tolerate this with coffee, caffeine tablets are a more reasonable alternative, right
nubbins`: people DO already tolerate it with coffee
nubbins`: cigarettes, marijuana, birthday cake...
ascii_field: the caffeine in the weakest and strongest cup of coffee does not vary by orders of magnitude.
nubbins`: imagine the burden, though, of having to eat like 2 hits of LSD to figure out an appropriate dose for the other 48.
nubbins`: the horror!
nubbins`: ascii_field the LSD from a single vendor doesn't vary by orders of magnitude either
nubbins`: in my wot-based experience, anyway ;p
nubbins`: 20ug vs 200? might as well sell blank paper.
nubbins`: 2000ug instead of 200? business: you're doing it wrong
ascii_field: nubbins`: how much blank paper have you eaten so far ?
nubbins`: none
nubbins`: single-purchase customers does not a business make
nubbins`: it's much more lucrative to sell what's advertised
ascii_field wonders why nubbins` is publicly begging lizard hitler to order his mail opened and tested
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mats: lol
nubbins` wonders why alf is paralyzed by imaginary chains of inaction
ascii_field: because they are not imaginary.
nubbins`: gotcha
ascii_field: see earlier re: the mayor.
ascii_field: and he didn't even ~ask~ for the dope
ascii_field: picture if i spoke here of having asked for it.
thestringpuller: the crack smoking mayor of toronto?
ascii_field: (that's the root misconception behind the pseudolegalism of 'it is not forbidden to receive dope in the mail')
nubbins`: listen, i can't do anything about the fact that your police regularly kill innocent people
nubbins`: all i'm saying is that you absolutely, 100%, can purchase drugs online safely
ascii_field: i don't doubt that when the time comes, they will find a watertight reason to demolish my house, with me in it, in the middle of the night
ascii_field: but they will have to do better than 'bought dope on shit road'
nubbins`: so take a trip before your number gets called.
nubbins`: !up ag3nt_zer0
nubbins`: welcome
ag3nt_zer0: nubbis`: thanks
ag3nt_zer0: Nubbins`: thanks
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
ag3nt_zer0: sorry ahead of time for the remedialism... so I attempted to encrypt my first txt by following this: gpg –output [message.txt.gpg] –encrypt –recipient [your@friend.org] [message.txt]... however, this is what I got... usage: gpg [options] [filename] - any advice would be welcome...?
nubbins`: ag3nt_zer0 try --option instead of -option?
nubbins`: e.g. --output etc
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shinohai: And of course ensure that you have your friend's key imported
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: am I attempting the impossible by just trying to encrypt it to my own key and send to myself for a check?
assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0xe33585713e184252 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1IRIF28 )
ag3nt_zer0: nubbins: thanks the double dash worked
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: i got somewhere but it says "there is no assurance this key belongs to the named user"
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: that's because marking the key as certainly your friend's key is something you do, and something you shouldn't do casually
shinohai: That's normal. It just means you can't know *for sure* it is me unless I give you the key in person.
shinohai: !up ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: gpg: can't open `gpgmessage.txt': No such file or directory
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167669 <<< i always thought the pirate ship was lego's piece de resistance
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shinohai: So you make a text file, call it gpgmessage.txt (or whatever) and save it
ag3nt_zer0: do I need to put the path in there? after --output?
shinohai: yes or cd to the absolute path
ag3nt_zer0: ok duh
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: did you receive?
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cazalla: shinohai, bit mousy looking but nice
shinohai: Yeah cazalla a bit of a butterface but for dat ass I'll make exceptions.
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cazalla: ah i think she's attractive, just has that mousy look.. no cocks either! maybe mp could learn a thing or two from you :P
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shinohai: I try to find some like mp likes, but never any girls with strike my fancy. So I guess he has monopoly on cocks
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1167968 <<< ya read about that montfortRC darknet dealer who put like 12 people in the hospital with his stuff?
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 20:25:11; nubbins`: purchase LSD online and there's NBOMe for sale right next to it so why not just call everything what it is and let the buyer choose?
cazalla: mind you it was roids or some shit but asciilifeform's point sorta stands.. they got mystery meat
shinohai: Most people cba with test kits, and instead just put whatever substance they get in the mail inside them.
funkenstein_: highly recommended on the topic: Graham Hancock's banned TED talk on the war on consciousness
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cazalla: dealer had an assortment of mystery meats it would seem lol
trinque: jeez
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Don't post np links here, we don't want b-a warriors shadowbanned for brigading
funkenstein_: guess i'm an old man, i never heard of any of those chems in that thread
cazalla: BingoBoingo, nfi why it is even in the url, gotta sub or something?
funkenstein_: personally i am more comfortable with darket markets than hospital pharmacies
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The fis is deleting the np. part
trinque: I've gambled on too many farts (and made it out ok) to keep doing so
cazalla: on a related note.. some medical centres in australia are prescribing ketamine off label for depression
trinque: would much rather have a sane society and an above-ground vendor of recreational chemicals
BingoBoingo: Not to worried about it beyond people wanting to fuck with homo reddictus and getting their hate hidden
Adlai: "provider... recognised mistake and told me he had shipped acetylfentanyl instead and apologized and agreed to send 200g of methylone for free to compensate." sounds like everything went Better Than Expected™
Adlai: we apologize for shipping guns which fire backwards. we will arm your next army with twice as many guns and we promise they'll shoot forwards this time!
funkenstein_: this kind of thing is the number one cause of death in babylon, referred to as medical errors
jurov: lol the log got..er...high
jurov: !up ag3nt_zer0
jurov: have you reg'd with assbot yet?
ag3nt_zer0: hi, thanks jurov, no I have not
mats: >camelcase
ag3nt_zer0: still trying to figure out how encrypt and send a message properly
ag3nt_zer0: does anyone have experience with gpgtools for mac?
ag3nt_zer0: tried sending to shinohai but got a string of numbers he said were not correct looking at all
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: thanks
jurov: oh you forgot --armor
jurov: by default gpg spews binary
shinohai: That never crossed my mind for some reason.
ag3nt_zer0: jurov: thanks. do I place that between --encrypt and --recipient?
jurov: gpg --armor --sign --encrypt -R A179E169 < niggers.txt > encrypted.txt
jurov: ^ example
ag3nt_zer0: haha ok
shinohai: That's hilarious jurov because I saved a dum file earlier and named it "niggers.txt"
jurov: !s niggers.txt
assbot: 62 results for 'niggers.txt' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.txt
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funkenstein_ doesn't get it
BingoBoingo: Also don't forget to set the .conf for them or you get Ferguson/Baltimore
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP MESSAGE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org hQEMA7S - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1GkpI3Q )
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, explain please
BingoBoingo: !s niggers.conf
assbot: 2 results for 'niggers.conf' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=niggers.conf
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shinohai: Well ag3nt_zer0 you encrypted it woth your own key, instead of my public key
mats: the acronym gets longer every year
shinohai: otherwise thats it
ag3nt_zer0: Gender Fluid? don't step in that!
funkenstein_: one can use the word nigger to comedic value sure..
funkenstein_: but what's the reference to fascist police action?
ag3nt_zer0: shinohai: can you pm me?
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BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: niggers.conf is how you set the police. If you go with the insane defaults they tend to go a bit crazy with the oppression.
mats: casual racism is the norm here
funkenstein_: :D
cazalla: it's not even really racism
shinohai: We know there aren't any niggers here, how they going to find a school?
funkenstein_: you mean no police here?
mats: what?
BingoBoingo: Most niggers are white nowadays
jurov: i thought most whites are niggers
jurov: or gypsies
jurov: !up gares
jurov: !up paxtoncamaro91_
menahem: ;;later tell mircea_popescu Your shirt is a hit, http://screencast.com/t/5Y30zCpvFu - By chance, do you have your previous header image ? The b&w one, you pointing, looking fierce ? I think it'd be killa on a tee.
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: Index of /wp-content/themes/trilema/images ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZhtzS )
menahem: yesss! thank you jurov
kakobrekla: but did you actually sell any of them?
menahem: yea 1 MP tee, then we had an order this morning for a bitpixel one
menahem: a lil weekend job, throw it up, post some links, make some passive cash
mats: ;;view menahem
gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
mats: might be worth your time to put it in the -otc order book
cazalla: for a moment i was like.. why would jurov not give qntra the scoop? http://www.coindesk.com/latin-america-coinbr-acquires-coinverse/
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menahem: mats, awesome idea, i'll look into it, ty.
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trinque: mats: ooh another single... ty
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trinque: !up ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: !register <F91576C7>
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
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trinque: ag3nt_zer0: gpg --list-keys --fingerprint your@email.com
ag3nt_zer0: !register <E3A4 9054 7D5E 8A59 0A56 08B0 C31C B3DF F915 76C7>
assbot: That does not seem to be a valid fingerprint.
trinque: closer, but no <> and no spaces
ag3nt_zer0: hehe thx
ag3nt_zer0: !register E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: E3A490547D5E8A590A5608B0C31CB3DFF91576C7. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key F91576C7 / "AgentZero <liberty@tuta.io>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
mats: you're a person nao
trinque claps
ag3nt_zer0: oh wow I even have a +... thought I still had to earn that!
trinque: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0
assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: ^
trinque: you are voiced, but that's temporary
ag3nt_zer0: so cool... even though I a still figuring out what the hell it all means... hehe
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: oh ok yeah I see
trinque: !rate ag3nt_zer0 1 new blood
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/80782cd1c926b412
trinque: !v assbot:trinque.rate.ag3nt_zer0.1:ff6e7d96ebfbbe7ecce6a0c6e3e4045c153184dd0283b7b2afc1437fb81ea10e
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for ag3nt_zer0 with note: new blood
trinque: !gettrust ag3nt_zer0
assbot: Trust relationship from user trinque to user ag3nt_zer0: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=trinque&to=ag3nt_zer0 | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: you may now self-voice.
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: thanks! are those links supposed to be dead ends? all of them appear to be except this... which says user not found... http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/ag3nt_zer0/
assbot: WoT User Not Found - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZpODI )
trinque: that site updates every so often
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: give voicing yourself a shot
ag3nt_zer0: well trinque, jurov, shinohai - thanks alot for your guys help today!
ag3nt_zer0: !up ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: I think I got something... first I got: -assbot- Insufficient rights, ag3nt_zer0, !up yourself on PM first.
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trinque: ag3nt_zer0: assbot wants you to send the up request via pm
mats: /query assbot !up
ag3nt_zer0: so I did this: *ag3nt_zer0* !up ag3nt_zer0
ag3nt_zer0: and now have echoing private messages with self... is that what was supposed to happen?
trinque thwacks ag3nt_zer0 with a zen stick
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: run mats command without the space in front
ag3nt_zer0: haha was just about to say I think I have bothered you guys enough for one day!
mats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Spicm13kLMk the other released song in this album
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assbot: Bitcoin: Elliptic says its anti-money laundering tool could get banks interested in cryptocurrency - Business Insider ... ( http://bit.ly/1HZtPbh )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44008 @ 0.00044599 = 19.6271 BTC [+] {2}
trinque: "to ascertain that their bitcoin holdings are not derived from the proceeds of crime." << hilarious
trinque: as opposed to their fiat holdings
punkman: yeah gotta remember how HSBC turned down all those mexicans drug dealers
trinque: I'm sure everyone involved was punished
trinque: customary punishment in banking circles is being buried by a dumptruck full of cash, I've heard
menahem: lol
menahem: nothing worth noting, mostly "take a hands off approach and wait"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-06-2015#1168261 << hypothetical twist: whole thing is a front by chinese miners, anxious to sell certifiably 'clean' coin to gullible schmucks at a premium
assbot: Logged on 18-06-2015 23:57:28; trinque: "to ascertain that their bitcoin holdings are not derived from the proceeds of crime." << hilarious
trinque: hey, look there
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: bravo
ag3nt_zer0: yeah thanks to you trinque hehe
ag3nt_zer0: 5 thumbs over here haha
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It wouldn't be the first time
trinque: well, now you know how to make curl and gpg kiss
trinque: inventing bullshit certifications is great business
trinque: reminds me of hearing about someone selling licenses for open source software
trinque: due to govt requirements
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yes, very cool!
asciilifeform: trinque: sco ?
trinque: heh no, but them too
mats: TIL GNU wdiff is a thing
assbot: The Underhanded C Contest ... ( http://bit.ly/1InKdy8 )
asciilifeform: ^^^ required reading for all 'sappers'
asciilifeform: (technically last year. this year's contest not yet began)
asciilifeform: first place medalist is a mega-masterpiece
BingoBoingo: ^ Added to the 21 year plan
asciilifeform: this one was nsa-themed, too
asciilifeform: 'The PiuPiu oversharing site allows users to create PiuPiu accounts and post 140-character messages. The federal government wants PiuPiu to surveil user activity on the site, by archiving any posts that match certain patterns outlined in a national security letter. Subject to the nondisclosure constraints of the letter, PiuPiu may not inform anyone of the surveillance request.'
asciilifeform: 'The underhanded goal is this: write surveil() in such a way that the act of surveillance is subtly leaked to the user or to the outside world. PiuPiu can not reveal the act of surveillance, but your function is technically able to edit the Piu or user structure during scanning. Find a way to alter that data (this alone is a bit of a challenge, since you are not supposed to alter the data, just scan it) in such a way that an i
asciilifeform: nformed outsider can tell if someone is being archived. The leakage should be subtle enough that it is not easily noticed.'
decimation: asciilifeform: C macros are of the devil
ag3nt_zer0: if I were to embark on a learning journey exploring the rudiments of programming, would there be good reason to not start with C? I always like to go to the root of something I am learning, which in my ignorant guesswork I like to think C is one of those root languages, but I have heard whisperings here and there that python is the way to go... any thoughts?
decimation: C is essentially the 'bedrock' of modern computers
decimation: unless you want to make your own computing machine I suggest learning bedrock
ag3nt_zer0: haha ok
mats: on the subject of timezones
mats: am confuse about why London is GMT+1
mats: \o/
decimation: daylight savings
decimation: just like here
mats: oh, that explains it.
decimation: to make things stupid they also go on daylight savings at different calendar days than we do
decimation: also GMT is kinda outdated, the new thing is french UTC
mats: ic
funkenstein_: mayans laughing their asses off at us
decimation: ftp://hpiers.obspm.fr/iers/bul/buld/bulletind.124 < after the leap second, DUT1 will be +0.3s
funkenstein_: while we're on the subject of time, i've been working on building a clock
funkenstein_: it grabs headers from several altcoins and estimates the current time
decimation: as I recall this was needed in the pogo
funkenstein_: the DUT1 was needed?
decimation: no, but some rough clock setting
decimation: because nobody wanted to trust ntp
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> it grabs headers from several altcoins and estimates the current time << The proper way to build a clock is with brass, a lathe, and a steady hand
funkenstein_: hehe, well, i guess this is a meta clock
funkenstein_: all it does is collect what miners have said the time is
BingoBoingo: If you just want to count seconds on a C machine http://www.openntpd.org/ is pretty much the gold standard nao
assbot: OpenNTPD ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2lG6N )
decimation: funkenstein_: it would be useful if you could determine time accuracy and variance
decimation: as well as how quickly you can acquire time
BingoBoingo: They had to fight TimeGavin who fought their efforts to clean code and kill retardation
funkenstein_: each coin you add increases accuracy,
funkenstein_: but the whole thing seems somewhat pointless
BingoBoingo: And yes, the shitgnomes fight improvement and cleanliness no matter how seemingly trivial a part of the stack janitors want to devomit
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: And then ATC or Doge abandoment dicks your averaging effort over
decimation: funkenstein_: the point is that you can get time without trusting anything outside verified coins
funkenstein_: decimation, exactly
danielpbarron: why include altcoins at all
funkenstein_: danielpbarron, to get better than ~ 10 min. accuracy
BingoBoingo: "coins" have insufficient entropy to be useful as a precision measure of time at all.
decimation: don't need accuracy
mats: precision and accuracy are different things
BingoBoingo: If you want to measure epochs and years BTC blockheight is fine. If you want a race you want something calibrated against nuclear decay.
BingoBoingo: More random gives you more precise time.
BingoBoingo: Accurate time doesn't happen
funkenstein_: one could always look at the sky
decimation: mats: I'm aware, don't need precision either
danielpbarron: funkenstein_, you aren't limited to just the last block
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Timekeeping is a battle between astronomy and nuclear chemistry
danielpbarron: could be something like the difficulty adjustment only not limited to the last 2 weeks
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Block height is always going to to a rough measure of time due to entropy. Could make a great system for a calendar, poor for slicing up a day though
assbot: Considered Harmful: OpenNTPd... ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2mJnt )
BingoBoingo notes that though both are prefixed with shit Shitgnomes and Shitlords are very different things.
BingoBoingo: And are naturally opposed.
funkenstein_: this is liable to get confusing
BingoBoingo: Shitgnomes leave turd traps and prevent nice things. Shit lords bury gnomes in turds to highlight their wretch. Mike Hearnia is a cononical shitgnome. Theo Deraadt and alf are cononical shitlords
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Everything is heirarchy.
BingoBoingo: Shitgnomes try to ruin the things shit lords want to use
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Start constructing a memory palace.
mats: i don't understand how your link relates to why OpenNTPD is better than ISC NTPD
mats: you are on the edge of coherence tonight
BingoBoingo: mats: http://www.advogato.org/person/dtucker/diary/52.html << The answer sheet on the ntpd conflict
assbot: Advogato: Blog for dtucker ... ( http://bit.ly/1H2nnBr )
funkenstein_: when the two shitplates touch: shitquake
BingoBoingo: Indeed
BingoBoingo: Eventually such a shitquake will happen such that we start printing upclocked Z80 processors on a 7nm process
mats: this is too cult-y for me
decimation: mats: I'm similiarly lost
decimation: how many sheets to the wind are you?
BingoBoingo: About 4 sheets
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