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asciilifeform: Vexual: unless you're in particularly favourable geography (e.g. iceland) - the cost is roughly equal to orbit
asciilifeform: at any rate, basic formula that ought to put things in picture: take the mtbf of each life-critical piece of mechanism in your bunker
asciilifeform: find the smallest number
asciilifeform: this is now your life expectancy.
asciilifeform: (or rather, upper bound thereof)
BingoBoingo: Still, escape is more reliable for the same reason this "security" talking head is wrong https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/felten/in-partial-defense-of-the-seahawks-play-calling/
assbot: In Partial Defense of the Seahawks’ Play Calling ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrOR2h )
BingoBoingo: If you have a chance to resolve your deficit swiftly versus waiting for a problem to happen, doing the former offers leverage while doing the latter lets fucking New England win the superbowl.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24052 @ 0.00032067 = 7.7128 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: well considering shafts and orbits, cruising in a sub is possibly the best of both worlds if money isn't an option
Vexual: just don't buy an aussie one, loud and slow
Vexual: youll want slow and low, with fast as an option
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83998 @ 0.00031216 = 26.2208 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: dpaste: 37G7E5D ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsdAj7 )
cazalla: ah wrong window
Vexual: are you doxxing somes or does qntra do fantail wrappers now? coz i think i know this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00030739 = 5.656 BTC [-]
cazalla: Vexual, attempting to dox mysterious winner of usms auction or at least someone connected to it
Vexual: sounds like some good investigative journalism, when did they get the money to afford such a bid tho?
cazalla: perhaps this person simply handle the coins on behalf of another and did not buy himself, i dunno, wild goose chase tbh
Vexual: yes, or its not in chronological order
Vexual: his dead uncle perhaps?
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42100 @ 0.00030585 = 12.8763 BTC [-] {2}
Vexual: why not call the sherrif, stephen colbert wallpaer is either a derranged fag or a troll
Vexual: youll need a secretarty that sounds like shes ovulating, and a jeb bush voice
Vexual: its not funny really, the coins were stolen under duress, but you know
Vexual: thats the nature of theft
cazalla: OK, i know who the supposed winner of the 27k is
Vexual: dang that was quick
cazalla: couple of hours
Vexual: is it a scoop?
BingoBoingo: Not sure.
Vexual: print it!
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Situation in this case is being handled politely
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Is that Kimbo Slice?
mircea_popescu: kimdo dought it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the entire "shitgnome doesn't give up", you ever read http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#footnote_1_46308 ?
assbot: Various kinds of stickiness pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1EauKBX )
mircea_popescu: it's really innate nationalistic behaviour, i suspek
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11798 @ 0.00032384 = 3.8207 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15102 @ 0.00030743 = 4.6428 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11398 @ 0.00032351 = 3.6874 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46283 @ 0.00029797 = 13.7909 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> (or rather, upper bound thereof) << your house doesn't collapse the moment a tile hanger in the bathroom falls off, but still,
mircea_popescu: a reasonable engineering approach
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Been a while since you've seen an American built house...
mircea_popescu: a decade or so.
mircea_popescu: <Vexual> sounds like some good investigative journalism << very much this cazalla
BingoBoingo: Near the end of the last boom, they were building them to about the lifespan of American cars.
BingoBoingo: cazalla's been doing fucking work.
mircea_popescu: !paycoin
mircea_popescu: !s paycoin
assbot: 35 results for 'paycoin' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=paycoin
BingoBoingo: Deedbot newest version is deedbot.org? docs?
cazalla: BingoBoingo, knew i was onto something :)
assbot: kdbus details - Linux Kernel Monkey Log ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzAEgM )
cazalla: is that right or just no confirmation unless included in block?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23967 @ 0.00031366 = 7.5175 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: trinque was going to fix the bizarro counterintuitive interface last we went through this
cazalla: well, in its absence, i have 2 people who are aware what that hash represents so it should work for a time stamp eh?
BingoBoingo: Fuck, is deedbot just too good of an idea to live
BingoBoingo: 3bf559b252621b8e34345ce6f54e8f1a310d0b29ec070a2156f4fd0465f8aa50415bbb56e2a5182e41d719d002a5d2084860b0cc73cb47022339817dcfd76b77
mircea_popescu: i have nfi
BingoBoingo: ^ Won't expire like dpaste at the least
BingoBoingo: !up DanTheBitcoinMan
BingoBoingo: Hello DanTheBitcoinMan
BingoBoingo: !up diametric
DanTheBitcoinMan: Hey, guys over at BitBet keep shitting on my new bet I'm submitting
DanTheBitcoinMan: Trying to get rich off the XPY cult
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Which bet?
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: WHich bet?
assbot: BitBet Propositions ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzDVwR )
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: BitBet tends to reject bets unlikely to attract betting action
DanTheBitcoinMan: I see, but I thought it would attract some good betting action.
DanTheBitcoinMan: So many idiots out there supporting this blatant scam, surely they would bet on it. Kind of like how the BFL Monarch delivery bet went.
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: I'm not a BitBet mod, but a short on XPY with small stakes looks like Garza looking to rob again
mircea_popescu: DanTheBitcoinMan the idea is for the proponent of the scamcoin in question to put btc down on it.
DanTheBitcoinMan: Ah, nevermind I completely didn't think about that.
mircea_popescu: this worked historically with bfl, stuck them for a decent sum
DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, they'd manipulate and dumb to oblivion to win the bet, last ditch effort if it got big enough
DanTheBitcoinMan: dumb = dump
DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, the BFL Bet was beautiful.
assbot: The positive market effects of the delivery bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HzEQNE )
mircea_popescu: anyway, the right way to go about it is, challenge garza or w/e is pushing the thing to put some btc down
DanTheBitcoinMan: Missed that one. The delivery bet needs to be used more often.
BingoBoingo: Anyways the onus is on the deliverer or someone they've built faith in to initiate one of those
BingoBoingo: Thing is even Josh Zerlan knew where to put money down and Homero doesn't respect that.
DanTheBitcoinMan: Yeah, really, I'm sure that BFL placing that bet they still ended up convincing some poor souls that they truly were going to deliver
DanTheBitcoinMan: I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: And yet in the long run BFl lost so much more.
DanTheBitcoinMan: So what are everyone's thoughts here about Gavin running around and trying to promote his idea of raising the block size limit? Can anyone point me to a very good argument detailing the reasons this should be avoided?
BingoBoingo: DanTheBitcoinMan: Qntra has a good number of pieces on this point
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:qntra.net gavin
gribble: Gavin Andresen Proposes Scalability Roadmap and Hardfork ...: <http://qntra.net/2014/10/gavin-andressen-proposes-scalability-roadmap-and-hardfork/>; Gavin Andresen: "Expect Chaos & Drama" | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/gavin-andresen-expect-chaos-drama/>; Flashback: Gavin Andresen | Qntra.net: <http://qntra.net/2014/11/flashback-gavin-andresen/>
Vexual: thoughtless miners are dissappearing, i think thats one reason bigger blocks wont propogate
Vexual: when the reward halves next time, fees are more importsnt
Vexual: also, whens the last time you tried to sync anode?
Vexual: the anode is adjacent to important things, so, you know
Vexual: also dimandoid lasers and shit
Vexual: all the electrons cant be wrong
Vexual: its in the design
mircea_popescu: <DanTheBitcoinMan> I guess it just costs them a little bit more to keep running their scams << this is the crucial point.
mircea_popescu: DanTheBitcoinMan funny you should ask, because... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048163
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 02:03:19; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up.
davout: ohai$
mircea_popescu: hei frenchie
Vexual: yeah even if you try to unsatoshi, youll get flomabaied
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btq, qntra for linux : https://lwn.net/
assbot: Welcome to LWN.net [LWN.net] ... ( http://bit.ly/1wsDjI8 )
mircea_popescu: note the almost exact match of thing for thing.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Actually saw that later
mircea_popescu: and toddf quoite the guy, "For those who don’t want to take the time watching the talk, lwn.net wrote up a great summary of the talk, and that article is here. For those of you without a lwn.net subscription, what are you waiting for? You’ll have to wait two weeks before it comes out from behind the paid section of the website before reading it, sorry."
mircea_popescu: they don't really understand what they're doing, but they ARE trying.
BingoBoingo: It is a model I wish I would have seen 5-10 years ago
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Vexual: guess dan wasn't really looking for everyones thoughts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13001 @ 0.00032316 = 4.2014 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you can't spell grape without rape.
BingoBoingo: !up lrak
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00032364 = 8.1234 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: eleaks org ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52700 @ 0.0003275 = 17.2593 BTC [+] {2}
hanbot: hey mp! http://www.sitescore.co/trilema.com << your site doesn't exist! it's just read by a bunch of people!
assbot: SiteScore | Site Ranking ... ( http://bit.ly/1B3u1h1 )
mircea_popescu: sounds about right, sure.
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fun-read/
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56600 @ 0.00033157 = 18.7669 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00033179 = 7.1501 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27160 @ 0.00034879 = 9.4731 BTC [+]
davout: cazalla: lol srsly?
cazalla: ya, seen others, just not as provocative
davout: keep em coming
cazalla: ah i just found those ones on the tardstalk forum
davout: hah, link plox?
davout: and what was that train ticket bzns where they were moving to brussels or sthg, grepped my logs, couldn't find it
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cazalla: not sure what become of hte train tickets, i don't follow it as close as i once did, might skim that thread every couple of days
cazalla: mp suggested we fire at most 2 bullets.. i think garza is bullet ridden by this point so unlikely to ever be more
dignork: http://habrahabr.ru/post/252725/ - translation: skype deletes links to dx.com from user messages
assbot: Цензура ссылок скайпом / Хабрахабр ... ( http://bit.ly/18A2xcm )
assbot: Irish court 'accidentally' makes drugs legal - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1MsK68K )
davout: pretty lulzy
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048345 << here's a bitbet deposit address generated for a 'yes' on the "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" -> 157sBJsrLoTheQUpZ7nXMnfELCmrW8xsHz
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 03:33:45; mircea_popescu: danielpbarron and actually, since im in a great mood : you get 100 bucks worth of bitcoin bet on any bitbet of your choice, lemme know what you want.
danielpbarron: that 100 USD worth could be 700 USD worth for me at current odds :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50937 @ 0.0003358 = 17.1046 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: also, "@stoya The author of this blog is a fan of yours, and he's willing to pay you 0.2 (double because you're famous). http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ ..."
assbot: I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1wtwwhm )
danielpbarron: height=269680 vs height=205735
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00034106 = 17.7692 BTC [+] {4}
cazalla: asian?
fluffypony: THATS RACIST
cazalla: fluffypony, if you had to guess though?
fluffypony: Swahili
cazalla: looks like some hambeasts in the background though
cazalla: coindesk deals.. they must be doing it tough over there
assbot: BACtrack Mobile Smartphone Breathalyzer | CoinDesk Deals ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVSXm2 )
fluffypony: so Coindesk is now Groupon?
cazalla: seems they only accept credit card or paypal, no bitcoin
cazalla: i'd write this up just for the lulz but had a few too many
assbot: StackCommerce | CrunchBase ... ( http://bit.ly/1KVTwvX )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00034879 = 1.6044 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ahahahahahah ha hah ahaha hah: http://i.imgur.com/RZHCtoZ.jpg <- Cat 5-o-9 tails
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0003495 = 8.7375 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00035086 = 1.1403 BTC [+]
adlai: asciilifeform: working my way through the lispm talk makes me want to study EE
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00034545 = 7.669 BTC [-]
nubbins`: <asciilifeform> i was briefly a member of a kind of electronics club that met in a huge old church <<< we hold pop-up art sales in churches a couple times a year
nubbins`: incredibly, incredibly inexpensive
nubbins`: also
nubbins`: "genarator room"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony that shit's evil.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` the lulziest part there is the "rabbits and fish" thing. i imagine cazalla may have a good laugh.
nubbins`: nod yeh
nubbins`: even if those pots indicate /shelves/ of pots...
mircea_popescu: ESPECIALLY who the fuck came up with the bright idea of making four tiny tanks
nubbins`: i suspect whoever drew this has never seen, say, a tuna
mircea_popescu: as large as the motorcycle garage! because this is sensible now.
nubbins`: i like how there's 4 queen size beds too
nubbins`: and ~50 single-person cots
mircea_popescu: "the man according to the man himself"
mircea_popescu: because mindshare is realityshare, and how important things are in your stupid head really is how important things actually are.
nubbins`: "twenty rabbits should be enough for anyone"
mircea_popescu: hory shit i just saw the scale
nubbins`: right?
mircea_popescu: check it out, i can have two bunkers here.
nubbins`: notu badu
mircea_popescu: plus half a bunker in the closet.
nubbins`: i've got about a half bunker here between the house and the backyard
mircea_popescu: nubbins` im with you. never saw tuna, in either the marine or the feminine variant.
nubbins`: massive, *massive* things. almost silly to see the full thing next to a canned portion
nubbins`: like purchasing a thimblefull of elephant meat
mircea_popescu: japanese ppls regularly buy 1mn dollahs worth of a tuna capture
mircea_popescu: i never saw a head of cattle worth 1mn
nubbins`: BingoBoingo:asciilifeform: If I did foot the whole way still ~3-4 months late, not counting the antihills of the Darien <<< get a boat from panama to turbo, colombia
nubbins`: NOBODY WALKS THE DARIEN GAP
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the famous tokyo fish auctions have $2mn+ tunas being sold on the regular
nubbins`: they had to ban foreigners because too many
mircea_popescu: leaving aside the insanity of all those bunk beds, space's barely fit for you and one woman's spawn : why the fuck is the quarantine room the most central thing in there ?
nubbins`: because THRETT
mircea_popescu: shit's got like 4 doors, what is this, the set for alien 8 ?
nubbins`: THRETT LEVEL REDD
mircea_popescu: i wonder if they make women go in there while on their period.
mircea_popescu: looks like enough for three or four.
mircea_popescu: ahaha this thing... the more you look the lulzier it gets. so in the office, for no reason whatsoever, they opted to make the door open into one of the seats. when they could just have had the weirdo table arrangement in the other end.
mircea_popescu: author must be ~13.
mircea_popescu: laundry room ahahahaha. and where DOES THE WATER GO.
mircea_popescu: obviously it comes from the supermarket, not worried about that part.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 11:36:52; dignork: http://habrahabr.ru/post/252725/ - translation: skype deletes links to dx.com from user messages
nubbins`: that's actually a massage table, treadmill, stationary bike, and a rack of free weights in the laundry room
nubbins`: because, y'know, people like exercising next to an operating clothes dryer.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: nubbins` gotta power the shit somehow...
nubbins`: also, quarantine room/hallway/elevator/generators/garage is a fully enclosed section with no way in or out
nubbins`: np 8)
nubbins`: srsly, start in quarantine and make your way to a toilet
nubbins`: i dare ya
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 12:58:08; fluffypony: so Coindesk is now Groupon?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why do you want a toilet ? YOURE IN QUARANTINE!
mircea_popescu: hold it in.
nubbins`: the motorcycle ride shook my bowels
nubbins`: plus the fumes from the garage and generator room are making me ill
mircea_popescu: fumes are a myth
nubbins`: indistinguishable from co2
mircea_popescu: free vaping
thestringpuller: nubbins` never sniffed glue to get high
nubbins`: not even once
mircea_popescu: anyway, the url is, let me remind and underscore, www.ultimatebunker.com/wp-content/uploads/6000-sq-ft-underground-bunker.jpg
thestringpuller: Didn't beavis and butthead intrigue you with the paint thinner episodes?
nubbins`: ULTIMATE
mircea_popescu: this is EXACTLY indicative of the general quality of the internets.
nubbins`: "MOTERCYCLE GARAGE"
mircea_popescu: it's not below average. this is the sort of shit the consumer internet is made of. from wikipedia to the last fucking blogspot blog.
nubbins`: "GENARATOR ROOM"
mircea_popescu: the internet's for porn because really, it can't do anything else... not well, it isn't a question of well.
mircea_popescu: it can't do anything else above mongoloidism.
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.31, Best ask: 294.34, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 294.4, 24 hour volume: 47068.57062534, 24 hour low: 290.2, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None
nubbins`: lel again @ gun range
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron sent it. i guess we find out if anyone's replacing kako's logs :D
danielpbarron: tyvm :D
mircea_popescu: also lawl at that choice. "o you wanna give me 100 ? let me take it as 7!"
mircea_popescu: that's the spirit.
assbot: Photo Gallery of our Underground Products America's Best! Underground Bunkers, Gun Safes, Storm Shelters ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu0YI2 )
nubbins`: "all we've built so far is steel coffins roughly the size of shipping containers, but we swear we can build a 9000sqft bunker"
mircea_popescu: the notion that anything under ~50k sqft or so is a "bunker".
mircea_popescu: what's wrong with "cellar".
nubbins`: these ones are *cough* nuke-proof
mircea_popescu: not the same scent to it while sleepover ?
mircea_popescu has been in the casa poporului bunker
mircea_popescu: the thing a crazy dictator builds for himself.
nubbins`: plenty of old ww2 us military bunkers around here
nubbins`: not like these tho
mircea_popescu: for one thing, there's 18 ~meters~ of concrete between the bunker and the atmosphere. the last 3 interspersed with steel plate.
nubbins`: concrete, above ground
mircea_popescu: not "a steel plate".
nubbins`: heheh
nubbins`: right?
nubbins`: "a couple inches of topsoil should be good"
nubbins`: nevermind that this isn't a bunker, it's a fucking rotisserie
mircea_popescu: "nuke proof - but careful if the bomber tries to land nearby"
nubbins`: all you need is for two vendor reps to spit-roast you in the quarantine room
nubbins`: my sides
nubbins`: ball-peen hammer on floor for scale
nubbins` nods sagely
mircea_popescu: wait. what is that ?!
nubbins`: bottom guy should be standing tho
nubbins`: mircea_popescu the only thing they have actual pictures of
nubbins`: i guess that's the grow room ;p
mircea_popescu: this is a mental condition
mircea_popescu: it must be.
mircea_popescu: "and here's joe. joe has bunker. he's on 720mg clorazepine".
nubbins`: okay, they're actually like 4 feet under the topsoil
nubbins`: i retract all criticism
nubbins`: except for all the mean things i said
nubbins`: Q: Does each bunker come with ten motorcycles, or do I have to provide my own?
nubbins`: also the frieght elevator has one elevator door and two swinging interior doors
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what i wanna know is, do they carve it by hand ?
nubbins`: looks laser-y
nubbins`: that guy is still seling wooden w/e on the forums hey?
nubbins`: with his -1024 neg trust
mircea_popescu: dude... in srs now. they can't be intimating that those steel frame boxes are the "bunkers" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32800 @ 0.00034573 = 11.3399 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: I get a lot of notifications on twitter for someone who doesn't really tweet.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu if not, they've posted WAY too many pictures of them
mircea_popescu: i guess these idiots never heard of scatter gamma huh ?
asciilifeform: time for an elementary likbez on the bunkers of gringolandia
asciilifeform: charlatans have been selling these steel coffins since mid-1950s.
asciilifeform: they were, at the dawn of that age, popular to such an extent, that a great many houses -still- have them buried in the yard
asciilifeform: and the owner does not even necessarily know
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the kids that didn't like physics class : any metal, if subjected to radiation such as a nuclear explosion, becomes a secondary source of gamma rays, as it slows down the rads.
asciilifeform: when they know, often used as a wine cellar
mircea_popescu: it's like being in a microwave oven
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: only when you catch neutrons
asciilifeform: and if you're close enough for this, you're already dead of gamma burst
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what is the definition of likbez?
thestringpuller: ;;ud likbez
gribble: Google found nothing.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: that's because you gotta search for ликбез
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform now this all depends.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: short for 'ликвидация безграмотности', or 'elimination of illiteracy', a 1920s sov. catchphrase for all sorts of 'popular enlightenment' crackpottery
asciilifeform: today used to refer to quick&dirty intro to something or other.
thestringpuller: google translates the short phrase to: "educational program"
mircea_popescu: if it's russian, it prolly has liquidation in it somewhere.
mircea_popescu: guys have a serious problem with ice, and it shows.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think of it more as a quick shower, rather than dirty :D
asciilifeform: these were originally referred to as 'fallout shelters', which is a somewhat more honest description of what one might actually hope to achieve with one
asciilifeform: not in any way shape or form designed to resist blast or serious gamma, and certainly not direct enemy action on the door
mircea_popescu: "canned water" srsly ?
asciilifeform: as with any consumer idiocy, these became 'status object' and those with some money would build appropriately bigger ones, with more pointless luxuries
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the canned water, yes. still found on 'ebay'
asciilifeform: actually came in cans, like sardines
mircea_popescu: what is it, magnesium residue, just add water ?
asciilifeform: straight water.
nubbins`: "this shelter is gross, all the cans are lined with BPA"
assbot: Cheap Mini Blast & Fallout Shelter Makes You Question Which Is The Worse Fate - OhGizmo! ... ( http://bit.ly/1wu5BBY )
asciilifeform: ^ for the poor - coffin.
nubbins`: next door neighbour has been shrieking hoarsely at the top of her lungs for ~45 seconds now
asciilifeform: someone should've taught these folks how to do wagner&cyanide
nubbins`: wordlessly
mircea_popescu: "Is someone really going to settle for ‘fairly good nuclear protection’? It’s like they’re comparing radioactive fallout to a chilly breeze, and as long as you block most of it, you should be relatively comfortable. "
mircea_popescu: the ohgizmo piece is about as retarded as the originals
mircea_popescu: this is EXACTLY what you do. block most of it.
asciilifeform: linked for the photo
mircea_popescu: it's not a fucking ideological issue, it's a practical matter. radiation isn't this fucking thin from outer space, it's everywhere.
mircea_popescu: stones give it off!
asciilifeform: esp. underground
mircea_popescu: but for that matter, these idiots would prolly be amazed to hear about the ocean of air with its 100kpa right
nubbins`: "but that's so heavy!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intel says this is basically a married life phenomenon. familiar to eu/ru folks as the "going to work on car" man had enough of wife thin
asciilifeform: absolutely ^ this
asciilifeform: in usa, traditionally called 'man cave'
asciilifeform: as in, the compartment where he hides from wife
asciilifeform: because this is apparently sop
nubbins`: oh, i have a relevant link
nubbins`: ;;google toronto pan am man cave
gribble: Toronto tunnel dug by 2 men as 'man cave', police say ... - CBC: <http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-tunnel-dug-by-2-men-as-man-cave-police-say-1.2978109>; Toronto Police: Men Built Mystery Tunnel to Use as Man Cave - ABC ...: <http://abcnews.go.com/Weird/wireStory/toronto-police-criminal-intent-tunnel-29322877>; Toronto police say no criminal intent with tunnel - US News: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: i thought the man cave is where you take the daughter's classmates / maid / random roadkill for processing in the family way.
nubbins`: "i brought this roadkill in for processing... in the family way"
mircea_popescu: nubbins` also known as hitchhikers.
nubbins`: o-o-o-o!
mircea_popescu: see ? makes perfect sense :D
mircea_popescu realises tardively he might be the only one here subscribing to the hitchiker = roadkill convention.
nubbins`: "The man who owned some of the equipment which was found at the tunnel saw it on television and called police. He said he had loaned it to an employee — a construction worker who underpins homes."
nubbins`: ^ second line is best line
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'd imagine there's just as many people using the phrase "long pig"
mircea_popescu: but dats racis ?
nubbins`: nobody knows for sure
mircea_popescu: anyway, "in the family way" is this 50s periphrase, for fucking. well, fucking in the 50s way, ie -> pregnancy.
nubbins`: best part of this "mystery cave" (which captivated the nation btw) is the people saying "they shouldn't be allowed to do that!!"
mircea_popescu: of coruse not.
nubbins`: can you fuckin imagine if you were /not allowed to dig holes/?
nubbins`: in the family way, i knew
mircea_popescu: the one thing 1980s russia, romania, poland etc agreed in their own idioms was
mircea_popescu: "they shouldn't be allowed to do that"
mircea_popescu: it's a commie thing.
nubbins`: canada: leftist sensibilities under a hard-right exterior
mircea_popescu: hard right exterior ? which way is it pointed ?
nubbins`: inward
asciilifeform: in usa, excavation on your property (not even talking about some random place you've no official busines in) without a 'socially acceptable' excuse is thought to be a sign of 'up to no good' -- like duffel bag of benjies under your car seat
asciilifeform: you must be a deviant, is the thought
chetty: and besides you are making a mess in the neighborhood, not allowed. No messy laundry or flags either
asciilifeform: flags are generally permitted so long as it's a regulation american flag
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: you are so paranoid! lol.
asciilifeform: (ianal but iirc my state actually imposes penalties on anyone, incl. landlord, who interferes with the display of a standard american flag)
thestringpuller: i roll around with dufflebag of benjies under my car seat all day erryday
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: 1 traffic stop away from penury
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100930 @ 0.0003489 = 35.2145 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: well the money is going to jail not me
asciilifeform: and you can take that to the bank.
nubbins`: "just let us know why you have 'em and if it checks out you can have em back"
asciilifeform: or rather, not (bank doesn't have much to do with an empty bag)
thestringpuller: bank would probably call feds if you showed up with dufflebag full of benjies
nubbins`: s/probably/be required by law to
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17897 @ 0.00035333 = 6.3235 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up xinxi
xinxi: thanks
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
xinxi: The owner of coinut.com
mircea_popescu: get in teh wot.
xinxi: I used to be in wot.
adlai: wot happened?
xinxi: I don’t know why I am not now.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust xinxi
assbot: xinxi is not registered in WoT.
adlai: ;;ident xinxi
gribble: CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'xinxi', with hostmask 'xinxi!~xinxi@nusnet-228-5.dynip.nus.edu.sg', is identified as user 'wangxinxi', with GPG key id 331894345B459329, key fingerprint EE5C4780D0955B8E25CF2667331894345B459329, and bitcoin address None
dignork: mircea_popescu: what is dx.com / << chinese online shop with cheap electrnic garbage, very popular in RU
jurov: !trust assbot xinxi
mircea_popescu: dignork oic.
adlai: xinxi: gribble wot ≠ assbot wot
jurov: !gettrust assbot xinxi
assbot: xinxi is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: xinxi ic!
adlai: popular in israel too
xinxi: I see. How to get registered in assbot wot?
thestringpuller: !gettrust wangxinxi
assbot: Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user wangxinxi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://w.b-a.link/trust/thestringpuller/wangxinxi | http://w.b-a.link/user/wangxinxi
thestringpuller: You're already in it apparently
assbot: irc_bots:assbot [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrI0nG )
mircea_popescu: but yes, you don't need to, you were grandfathered when they split .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, ben_vulpes: what mains plug in Ar ?
thestringpuller: xinxi: how goes coinut?
asciilifeform: seeing some disagreement from www on the question
xinxi: thestringpuller: I am still trying to attracting more users.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: is the godfather of options
xinxi: thestringpuller: yeah, mpoe was great.
xinxi: there are buyers, and I’m trying to find a big seller for them.
xinxi: one is asking for 100 BTC+ binary options.
xinxi: and the other is asking for vanilla options for his 4000 BTC.
xinxi: Maybe you guys can help?
thestringpuller: so basically you want financing to underwrite options...
xinxi: I don’t sell. I need you to sell.
xinxi: 100 BTC binary options should be fine for many of you. The size is not that big.
trinque: mircea_popescu: cazalla: you guys just tried to add a rando text file with a hash in it
trinque: not a signed gpg message
trinque: and uh, did I just hear the word "intuitive"?
trinque: !up deedbot-
trinque: cazalla: use deedbot-: add-key dpaste.com/blah.txt
trinque: cazalla: use deedbot-: add-deed dpaste.com/blah2.txt
trinque: where key is your gpg public key
trinque: publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42830 @ 0.00034294 = 14.6881 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: deedbot seems complicated now ~_~
trinque: fucks sake, how to use it was in the logs
trinque: it will get "improved", but I also have real life to attend to
assbot: Sequencing fraud on 9 CIBC Visa cards like 'Groundhog Day' for Ottawa man - Canada - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NK9OXE )
nubbins`: "It seems somehow the hacking team or the hackers have been able to get a hold of banking 'enigma' code so they're able to generate the exact same sequence of the card that I would be receiving in the mail."
thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: thx thestringpuller :)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 220v V section
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: cut your cards, cut your cards!
mircea_popescu: but adapters are trivial to find so don't worry too much
pete_dushenski: and to all: a sunny hello from jamaica !
mircea_popescu: xinxi what's the difference between a binary option and a bitbet like danielpbarron was talking earlier ?
mircea_popescu: <trinque> publishing a hash directly isn't a bad idea at all, though << it is.
assbot: This is what permissionless innovation looks like. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKaz3d )
mircea_popescu: i didn't actually check teh journos did in fact sing. yo BingoBoingo ! i'm holding you responsible!
mircea_popescu: cazalla we know is new to this entire computer thing :D
trinque: mircea_popescu: is a bad idea?
trinque: thought that's what you gents were trying to do
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they didn't actually SIGN IT
trinque: ahh... heh
mircea_popescu: but publishing unsigned mattrer on the deedbot is horribru.
nubbins`: i find this "sequencing fraud" thing a bit much
xinxi: mircea_popescu: you need to price a binary option before you buy or sell.
nubbins`: what, the haxxors enumerated 100 million visa card numbers and /tried them all/ every time this guy got a new card?
nubbins`: sorry, 10 million
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 12:21:36; danielpbarron: that 100 USD worth could be 700 USD worth for me at current odds :D
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you dun understand how weak ssn is. see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=06-02-2015#1009887 and thereabous
assbot: Logged on 06-02-2015 03:09:05; mircea_popescu: "What is Social Security Number (SSN) Randomization? The project is a forward looking initiative of the Social Security Administration (SSA) to help protect the integrity of the SSN by establishing a new randomized assignment methodology. SSN Randomization will also extend the longevity of the nine-digit SSN nationwide."
PeterL: asciilifeform: is this the kind of thing you were talking about? http://www.amazing1.com/products/hho-hydrogen-pistol-paper-plans.html
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: HHO Hydrogen Pistol (Paper Plans) - Information Unlimited ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKbAIj )
mircea_popescu: they cram 9 digit people into 9 digit sig space.
trinque: danielpbarron: ^ MARK OF DA BEEST
nubbins`: sure, but linked story was this poor canadin schmo who has had NINE credit cards IN A ROW compromised
mircea_popescu: yes well, it's journalism. what starts as a discussion about us ssn ends up as a story about a canadian fucking a gator.
nubbins`: like, he says "this is nuts, can i pick up my replacement at the branch this time?" and on his drive home he gets a call saying his card number was stolen
nubbins`: !up xinxi
mircea_popescu: xinxi you can just !up in private at assbot to permavoice
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: he has to change nicks
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, "sequencing fraud" is how illiterate gubernmint pinheads refer to "we use shit crypto and so it gets broken all the time"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16055 @ 0.00034223 = 5.4945 BTC [-]
nubbins`: straight up tho, impossibly small address space.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i would have been "squencing fraud" had fetlife actually been the government it takes itself for / behaves like.
assbot: Page not found pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NKchl3 )
nubbins`: 16 char visa number, first 4-8 are predictable based on bank/branch
nubbins`: last one is checksum
nubbins` shakes head
wangxinxi: thestringpuller: it works now. thanks
mircea_popescu: 16 digit number. as in you know, fuckall. eight chars pw.
pete_dushenski: most online banking is at this level
pete_dushenski: 'can only use pw with !@# symbols'
nubbins`: when i was in korea in ~2007 they had some serious online banking voodoo
nubbins`: 1) install activex certificate on usb drive 2) put usb drive in computer 3) go to banking website & log in 4) grab OTP list from wallet and enter random 2 of 24 codes
nubbins`: tap your elbows 3 times, kill a monkey, etc
mircea_popescu: sounds like it's broken.
nubbins`: the wallet card thing was mildly interesting, although overall very cumbersome
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28271 @ 0.00033333 = 9.4236 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: sk must be running low on monkeys by now
mircea_popescu: nah, they breed like rabbits
mircea_popescu: inside a row of 6 gallon tanks.
nubbins`: hahah
nubbins`: GUN RANGE
nubbins`: EXPLOSIVES RANGE
mircea_popescu: jackoff range
mircea_popescu: by their floor space combined, > 100x the size of the 8 showers.
mircea_popescu: imagine how that thing smells, anno 7 pd.
nubbins`: who needs a water purification setup when you have ten motorcycles
nubbins`: post derp
mircea_popescu: TEN MOTORCYCLES! WITH GUN RANGE!
mircea_popescu: those chucks prolly don't even wash, they just circle each other riding on one wheel and shoot the dirt off.
mircea_popescu: or maybe they chrome themselves pre-sheltering.
mircea_popescu: chroming unit omitted from plans.
pete_dushenski: reading darwin atm and his comment on the 'breed like rabbits' thing is less 'huge numbers' and more 'anywhere, anytime'
mircea_popescu: that's "breed like co-eds".
pete_dushenski: his comments on captive breeding were mildly interesting
mircea_popescu: rabbits don't go to college on account of raceism.
pete_dushenski: lol mebbe darwin didn't either
nubbins`: ;;google chroming planet earth
gribble: Black chrome plating problem: Plating is gray instead of black: <http://www.finishing.com/108/18.shtml>; Living on Earth: Chromium Pollution Exposure: <http://loe.org/shows/segments.html?programID=03-P13-00010&segmentID=9>; Be Alright: <http://be-alright.bandcamp.com/>
nubbins` shrugs
mircea_popescu: incidentally re water purification : ozone by far the best bet for the application.
pete_dushenski: qualcomm getting into bitcoin mining space to the tune of $116 mn
assbot: Chroming Planet Earth | Be Alright ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrXtBT )
mircea_popescu: hydrolize for oxigen, spark for ozone, closed cycle.
nubbins`: ^ have a listen
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski better late than never.
mircea_popescu: they actually still have enough inefficiencies to wring out, so...
pete_dushenski: quite so.
nubbins`: i've a UV-C water purifier that's served me well in many a tropical shithole
PeterL: ozone can be generated by hitting O2 with the right UV wavelength
pete_dushenski: i can't imagine intel and amd are far behind such public ventures.
nubbins`: except for that one trip where i slipped up and brushed my teeth with tap water.
wangxinxi: mircea_popescu: I don’t see that danielpbarron asked for binary options.
pete_dushenski: though i imagine they've already been tapped for more covert operations already
PeterL: another wavelength destroys the ozone when you are done using it to clean your water
nubbins`: ;;google steripen
gribble: SteriPEN Water Purification | UV Water Purification: <http://www.steripen.com/>; SteriPEN Traveler | UV Water Purification: <http://www.steripen.com/traveler/>; SteriPEN Freedom | UV Water Purification: <http://www.steripen.com/freedom/>
nubbins`: 10/10 will buy another if this one breaks
mircea_popescu: PeterL yup.
mircea_popescu: it's a very powerful combo, which is why all modern water purification is done by this uv/ozone thing
mircea_popescu: well, they're also trying to get bio stuff working, but that's iffier.
mircea_popescu: !up Jrum
PeterL: reverse osmosis is good for getting salt out of your water
mircea_popescu: it is yes. but the application here is more "get her dead epithelia / endometrium out of the washing water"
wangxinxi: mircea_popescu that seems not an option. But it’s definitely quite exciting.
mircea_popescu: wangxinxi but the question is, in what manner is it not an option ? if it goes over you win, if not you lose, or reverse.
mircea_popescu: right ? what's missing ?
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: new comment held up in the spamorator
wangxinxi: mircea_popescu I don’t know. But can we relate it with volatility?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: goddamit
mircea_popescu: wangxinxi well of more practical interest : just back your options into it. clearly there's volume there, which is exactly what the purpose of bitbet is : to provide liquidity/insurance to repackagers such as yourself.
mircea_popescu: so, if you have uncovered demand, simply calculate what backing you need and offload the risk on bitbet
mircea_popescu: as you say, 100btc ain't much.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: LOL. And you once said "Bitbet is just a toy"
mircea_popescu: everything good's a toy.
wangxinxi: mircea_popescu that could be a good idea. can we calculate the delta of such a bet?
mircea_popescu: im sure we can.
mircea_popescu: wangxinxi http://trilema.com/2013/how-to-cancel-your-bitbet-bet/ << here's a good primer of the maths involve.d
assbot: How to cancel your BitBet bet. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1GrZT3t )
wangxinxi: interesting. let me check first.
thestringpuller: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.”
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:11:53; pete_dushenski: http://www.cnbc.com/id/102493458 << cazalla BingoBoingo
jurov: looks like cloud mining chupmatron
pete_dushenski: lol nice find jurov
pete_dushenski: does look that way
wangxinxi: mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice.
Pierre_Rochard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049034 << They’re using SQL! Imagine that! No mongodb and node.js!? Must not be a serious bitcoin startup
pete_dushenski: not serious, not community-driven, smells like trouble ;)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 78 @ 0.02348457 = 1.8318 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: Bitcoin 20MB Fork ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gs4Fhq )
davout: jurov: lol
danielpbarron: haha i was wondering when that would finally get pasted in here
mod6: mit lol
ben_vulpes: far cuter girls at blues night than mit, dun see why i'd bother
ben_vulpes: the hell is he wearing?
adlai writes his patent guy about 'cape hoodies'
assbot: Electrum Wallet · Issue #1076 · spesmilo/electrum · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Brk421 )
danielpbarron: "Now let me tell you about my dog: i don't have a dog. So that is the end of that."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16706 @ 0.00033254 = 5.5554 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: lol haven't i complained yest that it scans gigabytes of data per wallet?
jurov: oh and btw reducing pruning limit did not help here, fluffypony
fluffypony: jurov: you'd have to reduce the limit and go from scratch afaik
jurov: yea i suspected building the db with lower limit is neede.. but i gave up. maybe when i get ssd available
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'sequencing fraud' << i suppose this is when i attempt to explain 'fiat banks create small-time sp4mz0r fraud' thing
ascii_field: imagine you had access to money printer, but only as a lackey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56210 @ 0.00033245 = 18.687 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: i.e., you can't easily scoop from it directly in broad daylight
ascii_field: but you are in charge of, e.g., the door locks
ascii_field: or alarms
ascii_field: so you strike a deal where the place is robbed 'a little' now and again.
ascii_field: in exchange, you get a cut.
ascii_field: very basic mechanics here.
ascii_field: the money printer is something like a black hole of 'moral hazard', it has this effect where it is more or less impossible to behave like anything other than a scammer when sufficiently near the event horizon
ascii_field: the sequences are -deliberately- predictable, the crypto is quite consciously weak, the authenticators are a joke, the turdamatics require winblows, etc.
ascii_field: and none of this should surprise anyone who understands what a fiat bank is.
ascii_field: and likewise all of the fraud-mitigation stuff is bones thrown to the plebes to shut'em up.
ascii_field: sums to >>>> 'it's not a bug - it's a feature!'
ascii_field: there were CC # generators on usenet in the mid-'90s
ascii_field: and everybody knew about them
ascii_field: mega-snore.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16440 @ 0.00033471 = 5.5026 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: My bad :( fluffypony: Nope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28568 @ 0.0003361 = 9.6017 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.01351001 = 1.2429 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: Richard Stallman has his bag stolen in Argentina | Guillermo Rauch's Devthought ... ( http://bit.ly/1FbuGDB )
nubbins`: "I was right there, after the talk. It was a very sad moment. He was really distressed. He started yelling and punching himself in the head."
nubbins`: google-translated linked source: "We all try to find the bag that thought was lost. Stallman was bad and sad."
trinque: nubbins`: "punching himself in the head" << how autistic
ascii_field: old news, found by sheer accident when reading piece re: rms no longer using 'loonson' mips laptop on account of it having been pinched and no replacement could be had
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 135 @ 0.01350837 = 1.8236 BTC [-] {3}
nubbins`: say, any thoughts on thin client laptops?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: nubbins`: thin client laptops ?
nubbins`: like, say, chromebooks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 240 @ 0.01339666 = 3.2152 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: !s chromebook
assbot: 11 results for 'chromebook' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chromebook
ascii_field: i bought the one with exynos 'arm' chip, it's gathering dust. there is not enough published chipset info to run a proper os on it
ascii_field: (the only distro where -all- of the hardware works, incl. suspend mode, is google's gpl-violating gentoo fork that ships with it)
trinque: old cheap thinkpads?
ascii_field: the runner up, and afaik only other working os, is 'arch' - which is systemd-infested
ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries
ascii_field: lcd backlight tubes fade, also (but these one can generally find replacements for)
ascii_field: in this discussion i'm making the assumption that you intend to actually work with the machine - rather than, say, using for pgp
nubbins`: yeah
trinque: ascii_field: does not seem that there are any good choices to be made
trinque: if it's actually "thin" though, its job might just be terminals and ssh
trinque: and have an *bsd box somewhere else
nubbins`: thin-esque
trinque: in my dreams there's an e-ink terminals-only device with an ethernet port and hardware rng
ascii_field: e-ink sucks even compared to teletype
ascii_field: refreshwise
nubbins`: i have a kobo e-reader that i'm pretty sure i could ssh on
nubbins`: but yes, it's absolutely brutal to, say, type five characters.
nubbins`: flip a page every couple minutes? no sweat
ascii_field: best cure is to obtain, e.g., 'amazon kindle', jailbreak, enlinuxate, and actually try it
nubbins`: enter a wifi password? get out
ascii_field: you'll see what i mean.
trinque: in my dreams, of course, eink does not suck
trinque: also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth
danielpbarron is very good at using ssh terminal on iphone
nubbins`: i only yesterday tried this, no joke
nubbins`: speaking of kobo, i should charge that thing
danielpbarron: i've kept up with some very fast paced arguments using only my thumbs
nubbins` wanders off to read
danielpbarron: i don't recommend getting a iphone strictly for this purpose though; it's just a nice bonus if you already have one
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i can't code in ssh terminal on iphone tho unfortunately.
thestringpuller: it's a bit much to thumb code
danielpbarron: yeah that's not so fun
danielpbarron: probably a good thing; anything worth using should probably only be coded on a setup similar to what i've heard asciilifeform describe
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
mike_c: "He compares 21’s work in building bitcoin products for the general public to the sequential development of 56-kilobit Internet modems, international fiber cables and wireless Internet towers, which all helped bring the Internet into people’s homes in the late 1990s."
mike_c: their working on the pogo build!
mike_c: *they're
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00033226 = 12.4265 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_field: 116mil 'mystery startup' << expect to see $maxint of this. usg will build malicious 'wallets' and other mainstreamadoptatron crap for all-comers
ascii_field: expect also to see 'siliconized' versions of gavincoin sold at massive discount and 'dropped from airplane' etc
ascii_field: the buggers got the message that purely spreadshit-based shenanigans don't have the desired 'bang'
ascii_field: so they're moving on to, well, the actual game.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00033674 = 3.3001 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: !up ascii_field
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.014 = 1.12 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up RetroUpriser
mircea_popescu: mike_c who's "21" ?
mike_c: 21 inc is the new $116 million startup
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00033003 = 6.7161 BTC [-]
davout: my read on 21 is "some bitcoin noob that happens to be fiat rich rounded a couple of other rich buddies, and wants to fix bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: so a thing that did no work is actually compared to the few things that did work selected out of the large set of things that also did work by the criteria that they survived ?
mircea_popescu: very smart. by this reading, the grime on these peoples' bathtubs is like a mouse : almost a life form, and one that didn't go extinct, either.
mircea_popescu: davout quite.
ascii_field: nobody in usa gets to so much as look with one eye at 112mil usd without a gauleiter reviewing it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, this scurrying to coinbase and mysterymeat is a good indicator of a) how painful the crushing of shitvin shitdressen was and b) how scary #bitcoin-terrorists actually is.
davout: lol, now i'm forever_alone.jpg in #bitcoin-terrorists
ascii_field: if they're feeling pain, it's a secret from me
mike_c: did the fork happen?
ascii_field: what does printing an extra 112m cost them?
ascii_field: one fewer 'f16' ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the humiliation that 112mn is trying to assuage and can never be assuaged is the issue.
mircea_popescu: always the impotence is the issue, never the neurosis attendant.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i see 347214.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049033 << poor polyanna boring, she had imagined she has something. as if the us isn't chock full of dumb 50yo cunts some petreus or other is trying to promote to "ambassadoirships"
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:32:19; pete_dushenski: “following the humiliating CFTC episode, Blythe [Masters] disappeared completely from the public radar. Now, with a one year delay, she has finally reappeared… re-emerged as chief executive of the Bitcoin startup, Digital Asset Holdings.”
ascii_field: when usg officials start vanishing from the stage because no longer can pay bills, rather than folks like moiety disappearing from our ranks - then we know, yes, victory
mircea_popescu: ascii_field we're ahead on that score then.
thestringpuller: whatever happened to moiety?
ascii_field: just pointing out that we've not taken berlin yet.
thestringpuller: did derps scare her off?
mike_c: i think she went broke..
ascii_field: thestringpuller: went br0k3
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049040 << if you think bitbet's not liquid you have a serious problem on your hands.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 16:38:37; wangxinxi: mircea_popescu it’s possible to hedge. but it seems not very liquid. so it’s a bit difficult in practice.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: that's cause you wouldn't give her duffle of benjies!
mircea_popescu: it's very weird, this psychology of the failed entrepreneur. he comes here with a 100 btc problem, is given a solution that can and historically has covered 1000s.\
mike_c: investors in US follow silicon valley like the midwest follows new york fashion. Now that they are pouring money into these startups, it could be a feeding frenzy kind of year.
mircea_popescu: the catch being that in order to avail himself of it, he has to give up some shard of his entrepreneurial delusion, and instead buckle down and work like a honest man.
mircea_popescu: this is too much.
mircea_popescu: mike_c fosho.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: first i'd have to dig one up myself
mircea_popescu: the sort of usd rain we're going to see here has not yet seen before, and will not be seen afterwards.
mike_c: i used to enjoy marking the bull run by when MPOE had to update its strike prices. can we bring that back this year? :)
mircea_popescu: haha. well, we'd need an actual exchange first.
mike_c: ah, yes. not to worry, the winklevii are almost done with that.
mircea_popescu: "mit's expo" ?
mircea_popescu: da fuck is this.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: bezzlacademia's hooked up and at full revv now
mircea_popescu: anyway, lulzy to me is the part where these schmucks have gone from claiming "unanimity" three months ago to claiming "majority" a month ago" to claiming... parity, today.
ascii_field: legitimacy-spraying the sc4mz0rz like in every other field
mircea_popescu: at this rate by the end of the year they'll be claiming they exist and nobody'll be buying it.
ascii_field: incidentally, (may have mentioned this in the past) - 'mit press' is among the clearest possible illustrations of what happened to american academia in past 20 yrs
ascii_field: (look at the book catalogue then, vs. now)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24118 @ 0.00033819 = 8.1565 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: anyway, the idea that i'm not invited to give talks about how to ruin bitcoin to fucking cia is not the worst credential ever.
mircea_popescu: not so much because they don't think i could figure out a way, but for the more obviously blunt reason that they correctly realise that if i give them a trojan horse they wouldn't have the intellectual werewithal to spot it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049105 << on the battery score, i dunno wtf weird planet that is, but you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk.
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 19:25:54; ascii_field: trinque: with a few exceptions (toshiba's miniature 'libretto' and similar) i am not particularly fond of ancient laptops - they tend to be bulky and have irreparably decayed batteries
mircea_popescu: they work splendidly.'
assbot: Logged on 11-03-2015 19:29:56; trinque: also my harem numbers 5000 and I rule earth
trinque: dreams!
mircea_popescu: generally a harem ceases to function over about 50 heads or so.
trinque: har-army?
mircea_popescu: but what sort of dreams! you wouldn't even know most of the hetairai
trinque: man I dunno, I was just saying old ThinkPads are cool
mircea_popescu: then what's all this stuff about small penises and pigmen ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you can get chinese replicas of any battery in large bulk << raw cells - yes. the charge controller, with its parameter rom calibrated to those cells for correct discharge curve - no.
trinque: mircea_popescu: LOL, that'll teach me to discuss my dreams here
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no i mean the whole shebang, in a plastic casing to match original.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i've bought 5 types or so, all crud
mircea_popescu: i have three dozen for my old ibm thinkpads.
ascii_field: aha thinkpads sure
ascii_field: but something more obscure - no.
mircea_popescu: they have it all. find a chinese person.
ascii_field: plus they tend to sit on shelves for years, and Li ion rots in storage
mircea_popescu: they even have the cure for baldness.
ascii_field: and yes from china, from where else
dignork: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: separate problem is that, typically, none of these machines had decent battery run even when the cells were new...
mircea_popescu: well there is that. nutty design energetically
ascii_field: thank intel
ascii_field: incidentally, and i've not seen this observation made elsewhere, but i noticed that laptop mechanical build quality went to shit around the time they stopped costing what a decent used car cost.
ascii_field: there was a pretty clear 'phase change' some time around 2000
mircea_popescu: i think it's related to advances in plastics. once they went fully injected everyone stopped caring.
mircea_popescu: there's this thing that happens once something becomes "a solved problem".
ascii_field: e.g., toshiba's 'libretto' cost ~$6k
mircea_popescu: that something is, buncha smart kids leave, buncha women move in.
ascii_field: 'the men build, the women inhabit' - al schwartz
ascii_field: when the machines turned 'disposable', they stopped having, among other things, steel skeleton
ascii_field: or a proper latch
mircea_popescu: something like that.
ascii_field: (and 50 other supposedly-'optional' items)
trinque: while we're veering towards the "there are no computers" topic, what's wrong with the idea of doing a little lisp-running raspberry pi competitor as a toe-hold into the computer making business?
ascii_field: trinque: what's wrong << everything
thestringpuller: ascii_field: is just a h8er
trinque: no one once ever worked his way into a market
ascii_field: trinque: and let's sell candy made from 9 parts sugar to 1 part turd
ascii_field: 'work into market' by reducing turd %
thestringpuller: one mans turd, another fly's delicacy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29473 @ 0.00034403 = 10.1396 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: selling turd where c-machine abstraction stack continuously leaks into the supposed 'lisp' - is pure sc4mz4tr0nix
thestringpuller: ascii_field: "this is a turd free zone"
trinque: ascii_field: there are almost limitless tiers of potential products between hfcs and actual food
ascii_field: trinque: but before you can even have this line of thought, find a stock chipset to which you can even port 'minix' without -any- blobs or -any- detectable dysfunction
trinque: there are plenty of people out there that don't give a shit about the blobs
trinque: why not sell something to them with the intent of removing said poo
trinque: in n iterations
trinque: whether they *should* care is another question
ascii_field: trinque: wake me up when this has actually happened, anywhere, ever.
thestringpuller: trinque: you ever try removing poo from your food so its edible?
ascii_field: in practice 'it works, fuck you, we're practical people, go away' and blob stays
trinque: thestringpuller: I don't need to discuss the details of the metaphor
trinque: ascii_field: so don't have those people involved in the decision
trinque: you're CEO of deturdatronix
ascii_field: trinque: you're talking about reverse-engineering, a la nvidia driver, xilinx (see old thread, etc.)
ascii_field: do you know how it usually ends?
ascii_field: by the time you have something usable, chip is out of print
trinque: ascii_field: why does it need a GPU?
ascii_field: permanently
ascii_field: didn't say it needed gpu per se
ascii_field: just bringing up well-known example of this kind of process
trinque: I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port
trinque: start absurdly stupid
ascii_field: buncha folks spend years picking apart the vendor's driver (mind you, this tells nothing about hidden functionality in the silicon)
ascii_field: and when the product is something like ready to use in life - bam.
trinque: I'm sure you're right about that
ascii_field: chip is out of print, and next version is quite deliberately incompatible.
ascii_field: don't take my word for it!
trinque: but then I'd just say aim for something dumber
ascii_field: trinque: let's hear the actual part #s
ascii_field: suggest a chip
ascii_field: that you would like to see starring in this film, so to speak
chetty: isn't the new apple watch thing planned that way? chip is not replaceable
trinque: here's the opportunity I see; maybe I'm wrong
trinque: all these shitty boards like the rpi are going to be making their way into all kinds of "smart" products
trinque: they're all going to get hacked and fucked with like it's 90s windows all over again
trinque: meanwhile some plucky upstart builds something really dumb, like my ethernet light switch
trinque: understands the thing the whole way through, demonstrates its superiority against everything that's been ravaged by hax
trinque: maybe version 5 of the thing gets a USB port
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31840 @ 0.00033707 = 10.7323 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: <trinque> I'm thinking programmable light switch with ethernet port << this is kinda how this process is going as is. hence the cardano.
mircea_popescu: and you know exactly how it'll go : the usg horde will derp their derpage, most idiots of the jwz ilk will "not want to pick the political bone" and so on and so forth.
mircea_popescu: nttawwt, but don't imagine slaves come to sense through any process that doesn't involve clubbing them into the dirt.
danielpbarron: !up julmac
cazalla: trinque: where key is your gpg public key <<< for some reason i thought i read bot imported pub key from wot, my bad
mircea_popescu: better this way, the less the sks servers are involved the better.
cazalla: deedbot- add-key dpaste.com/35V6CJB.txt
cazalla: so do i include the : ? deedbot- pm'd me with "Bad URL or network outage"
cazalla: ah dw, imported
trinque: !up deedbot-
cazalla: trinque, forgot about upping the thing, i'm hung over :)
trinque: nbd, maybe it's misbehaving?
cazalla: i'll just stick to pm'ing it so that i can throw a bunch of commands until i get what it is i need and no-one here will be the wiser
deedbot-: imported: FD9FB3F73B5AE8499A02F0C521B9818A468F4AD0
trinque: looks like just being slow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51650 @ 0.00033707 = 17.4097 BTC [-]
trinque: cazalla: yeah it's running butt slow
trinque: I'll look into that, meanwhile let me know if it ever eats your deed
trinque: it's strange, the load average on the box is 0.24
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00034396 = 8.3238 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7142 @ 0.00034396 = 2.4566 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00034396 = 5.8473 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80000 @ 0.00034829 = 27.8632 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00035089 = 1.965 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53600 @ 0.00035202 = 18.8683 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00033707 = 3.91 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: fyi the "blue" pogo (the one that doesn't have sata port) is works just like the purple one would if installing to a SD card
danielpbarron: in that if you have instructions that work for the purple one, the will also work for the blue one
assbot: Kenyan Lawyer Sue Isreal For Killing Jesus | JEWSNEWS ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcNmBg )
mircea_popescu: dat site.
davout: bwhaha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9950 @ 0.00034982 = 3.4807 BTC [+]
jurov: should have implied vatican, it incorporated roman laws, too
jurov: and eastern orhodox church even more so
mircea_popescu: implicated ?
assbot: Pasearon completamente desnudas por pleno Boedo ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcPxVu )
jurov: yes, implecated :)
jurov: implicated
assbot: The conference, third edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1BsujTN )
BingoBoingo: ^ thestringpuller
jurov: BingoBoingo: would it be interesting for qntra how czech financial cops investigated bitcash.cz "theft"?
BingoBoingo: jurov: Sure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43800 @ 0.00035202 = 15.4185 BTC [+]
assbot: Kid Rock - Redneck Paradise (Remix) ft. Hank Williams Jr. [Music Video] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6bbG1 )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 110 @ 0.01460363 = 1.6064 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: (pete will no doubt notice that ALL THE VEHICLES ARE MERCEDES_
assbot: California Proposes Bill To Ban All Unlicensed Bitcoin Businesses, Without Even Defining What That Means | Techdirt ... ( http://bit.ly/1B6cqFd )
decimation: banks, gov't, etc are 'exempt' of course
trinque: decimation: eh more like "one member of the california legislature proposes"
trinque: still pretty fucked
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 296.71, Best ask: 296.89, Bid-ask spread: 0.18000, Last trade: 296.89, 24 hour volume: 25417.80268383, 24 hour low: 291.0, 24 hour high: 298.75, 24 hour vwap: None
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: decimation lol
mircea_popescu: kinda goes a long way to show the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you.
mircea_popescu: wait, by now gribble does bitfinex only ? lol.
jurov: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 295.0, vol: 6849.16021121 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 293.469, vol: 11302.18543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.89, vol: 25132.70245094 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 295.403478, vol: 162128.90550000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 296.93748, vol: 36.80919596 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 294.4287, vol: 95.69692435 | Volume-weighted last average: 295.34297304
jurov: dunno how it chooses, by volume?
mircea_popescu: amusingly, btcchina has what, 70-80% of all volume
BingoBoingo: !up stunna
BingoBoingo surprised no one's commenting on Jurov being in line for his own s.qntr shares
mircea_popescu: i thought it was pretty cool.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 60650 @ 0.00034511 = 20.9309 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45978 @ 0.00035287 = 16.2243 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21922 @ 0.00035338 = 7.7468 BTC [+]
decimation: re: the unmitigated contempt california holds for... well, basically, you. < yes, this is noted. every day reveals a bit more of its true self, if only in its fantasies
asciilifeform: xerxes whips the sea, snore.
decimation: ^ author of the above was in army, had a son in the army, son died in iraq
assbot: Treason of the Intellectuals, Volume 3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed2e2r )
decimation: he is now on a krazy korner railing against usg
decimation: yet he has given his life and his own son in service of usg, and accomplished nothing
decimation: reminds me of that tlp piece about hating the system so much you want it to like you
asciilifeform: and of course, the obligatory lenin, 'intellectual is not his nation's head, but its arse'
mircea_popescu: ahaha treason of the intellectuals verbiage, srlsy ?!
decimation: heh yeah that is related
mircea_popescu: dude, la revolucion is so fucking banal. always the same moves.
mircea_popescu: decimation this is the so called stupid wife paradox. it goes like this : when she's young she thumbs her nose at submission, because hey, she's not "that kind of girl". so she finds a husband instead, spends two-three decades discovering that it's a rotten deal, then gets to live with teh regret.
mircea_popescu: youth wasted on the young and all that.
decimation: mircea_popescu: of course the french philosophes pretty much founded the 'revolutionary intellectual' archetype
mircea_popescu: depends how you count the greek sophist.
mircea_popescu: or the byzantine byzantine. or the medieval courtier.
mircea_popescu: look into the abomination of "courtly love" to see 1100ad shitgnomism en fleur.
decimation: yeah, but the french revolution is a clean presentation of the modern 'revolutionary intellectual' and the consequences if he gains power
mircea_popescu: certainly more amply documented in "not dead" languages.
decimation: heh yeah
asciilifeform: hey folks still speak occitan and languadoc
asciilifeform: *languedoc
decimation: plus the history of the french revolution is still shrouded by those who have a stake in its outcome
asciilifeform: obligatory deng xiaoping here...
mircea_popescu: hence the scare quotes
mircea_popescu: heck, folks still speak greek. and it's certainly more mutually intelligible with classical greek than current english with high english.
asciilifeform: irrc it was him who was asked 'was fr. rev. a good idea?' answered 'too early to say'
decimation: or low german
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you like living fossilization, visit iceland
decimation: english arose because some retarded vikings living in the netherlands couldn't speak german
asciilifeform: more or less bug-for-bug compatibility with classical norse
mircea_popescu: decimation plattdeustch is still spoken, like idish
decimation: yeah, germany still hasn't steamrolled all of its accents
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: believe or not - there are idish newspapers in usa.
mircea_popescu: i used to know a guy publishing one
mircea_popescu: meanwhile dead, bu anyway
mircea_popescu: but anyway, anyone guess what "hron rade" denotes, in "english" ?
decimation: honarary?
decimation: heh honorary
mircea_popescu: (i'll help by pointing out that alf's device in discussing xerxes is structurally similar but stylistically very indicative of the changes in society since then)
asciilifeform: hey what can i do in barbaric tongue
mircea_popescu: anyway : "the sea" is the hellespont (which is what xerxes ordered flogged) in the same way hron (whale's) rade (road) is the sea.
mircea_popescu: one's categorical symbolization, the other's a kenning.
decimation: kenning as in kennelernen?
asciilifeform: everyone who likes kennings, straight to norse book, 'do not pass go, do not collect 200'
mircea_popescu: as in this poetic device
mircea_popescu: ;;google kenning site:trilema.com
gribble: Decembrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/12>; Trilenciclopedia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/trilenciclopedia/>
assbot: Kenning si rhyming slang pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3Glu )
asciilifeform: http://kip-w.livejournal.com/215011.html << absolutely obligatory re: kennings
assbot: Varnish Error 503 Service Unavailable ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed3GSk )
asciilifeform: mega-classic
mircea_popescu: btw, anyone know how cockney got to be called that ?
decimation: kennenlernen means 'familiarity' in german
mircea_popescu: decimation learning by similarity something
decimation: wasn't there a certain church bell
mircea_popescu: the story is, that a london redditard (poor kid from periphery) visited some peasant family once
mircea_popescu: which was impressive to him, because a) they had food and b) good living conditions (as compared to shitlondon of the time)
mircea_popescu: but especially c) all sorts of weird exotic shit.
mircea_popescu: so one time when a horse neighed, he got all scared. but the farmer told him to relax, horse just does that, it's called neighing and it never killed anyone.
mircea_popescu: time for bed, and in the early morning a very morose londoner sat with his breakfast.
mircea_popescu: "s'thematter, couldn't sleep any ?"
mircea_popescu: "holy shit all these cocks neighing!"
asciilifeform: 'Down came good Freya, frowning at Fúfu. / Said she to the warren-born: "No worth I find / In your smiting of cheese-thieves. Smirk not, but obey me...'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-k3nn1ngz
asciilifeform: (from earlier link)
decimation: yeah it's the same root https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/kennen#German "From Old High German kennan, from Proto-Germanic *kannijaną (“to know”). Cognate to English ken (“knowledge, understanding”)."
assbot: kennen - Wiktionary ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ed4dUq )
mircea_popescu: btw, re "useful idiots", anyone actually read Mona Charen ?
asciilifeform: 'Bien Darkmans then, Bouse Mort and Ken The bien Coves bings awast, On Chates to trine by Rome-Coves dine, For his long lib at last.'
asciilifeform: engl. has 'ken'
asciilifeform: or perhaps not quite modern engl. but hey whatddayawant
decimation: I want an original "PIE" dictionary
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25778 @ 0.00035313 = 9.103 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Bing Out, Bien Morts (Canting Songs) ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3cocm )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15554 @ 0.00035398 = 5.5058 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: (i don't know anyone who didn't first run into it in p&p)
mircea_popescu: "In Western democracies, even in the U.S. where the hostility to regulation is greatest, there is a vast amount of central decision-making, but day to day decisions are left to market forces. A lot of the regulation - everything from bolt threads to type fonts - is carried out by tens of thousands of standardization agreements worked out by the industries involved. The solutions that arise aren't always optimal, but th
mircea_popescu: ey usually end up being workable. After two decades of fumbling, we have settled on a de facto standard for computer operating systems. It has imperfections - some serious - but it generally works. Imagine being saddled with a computer architecture defined by some central planning committee in 1983. At about that time, someone in the U.S. Government realized with horror that all the standardization agreements mentioned
mircea_popescu: above were being made and enforced with no government oversight. So the Government convened some hearings. The unanimous consensus, even by Ralph Nader, was that attempting to regulate this process was an invitation to chaos. "
mircea_popescu: lawl. this guy misread so much of recent history i'm giving up on reading it.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: usg really did come out with a 'standard' cpu!
asciilifeform: around same time as ada '83
asciilifeform: the only present-day manufacturers are chinese
asciilifeform: (and are also the only, afaik, remaining users...)
asciilifeform: 'mil-std-1750a' for the curious.
asciilifeform: so dead, was snipped from gcc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6273 @ 0.00034181 = 2.1442 BTC [-]
mod6: so i made some additional changes to the modified pogo script. anyone wanna help me test quick? I tested it myself, but it'd be cool if someone else can verify.
mod6: what's changed? 1) added some checks to see if boost,bdb,openssl are already built, if so, skip re-downloading & building 2) added a 'clean' command line parameter so you don't have to do this manually
asciilifeform: mod6: neato. incidentally that's what, traditionally, 'make' is for
asciilifeform was simply too lazy to write a proper 'makefile'
mod6: yup, it just simply utilizes the makefile. but this way a person only has to run `auto.sh`
mod6: :]
asciilifeform: 'make' simply doesn't react well to being called from 'make'.
asciilifeform: (why? because retarded, don't ask me)
asciilifeform: that's why my orig. thing was a .sh
mod6: yeah, makefiles are touchy
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i'm rather surprised it took them so long to hook up the goldpricedumpatron to btc
asciilifeform: though it's kinda a sad joke
asciilifeform: (compare 'physical settlement' in btc to gold, etc)
mircea_popescu: "hook" is being generous.
decimation: asciilifeform: if make is so terrible, why is it ubiquitous?
decimation: it's not like it 'fits into the cpu' like C does
mod6: so if you have a linux machine, and you want to help test, read this: http://dpaste.com/17V9VKB
assbot: dpaste: 17V9VKB ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3eHft )
decimation: mod6: you could have enumerated in octal and saved a few characters :)
mod6: fair. ;)
asciilifeform: decimation: there are plenty of 'crackpot' alternatives ('cmake', 'bake', .... 1001 others) but guess what
decimation: I kinda like scons
decimation: shitgnomery?
mircea_popescu: decimation no. jwzery. this attitude whereby one's excused from political involvement.
mircea_popescu: "so what if make sucks, not like i have the responsibility to find and support an improvement. i just type here."
mircea_popescu: "so the wife's a nag ? doesn't mean i /have to/ beat her until she desists. build mancave instead." on it goes. politicians are idiots ? self-appoint as "better than this" and that's that, work done. not like you have to shoot the bad politico if you can't vote him out. what, /have to/ ?!
mircea_popescu: not the right sort of morals, these, that are actionable. gotta have some of a more theoretical sort.
mod6: huh.
mod6: thanks for testing
mod6: ima invite you to #btcf
mircea_popescu: sikrits!~
mod6: we'll keep the noise outta here, unless you want ... NOISE :)
decimation: i want the noise
mircea_popescu: up to you. i dun think it's yet unwelcome.
decimation: mircea_popescu: it's common in the us for a usg employee to regard himself as 'apolitical' because he wasn't elected
mircea_popescu: well sure.
mircea_popescu: what's it change tho. it's common for rapists to regard themselves as "good fathers" and so forth, because she was asking for it or w/e.
mod6: ok... so. lets see here. i do think that ascii updated his key since then...
mod6: but i don't ever get that error... although, someone else has seen it before iirc.
asciilifeform: same modulus!
decimation: mod6: i'm running into a bad sig error too
decimation: virgin gpg db
danielpbarron: oh i just realized that the script potentially uses a different key than the one i have stored
mod6: it /shouldnt/ matter because it puts a .gnupg dir in the place where you run the script from. we didn't want it to diddle with your normal keyring in ~/
mod6: unless you ran it from ~/
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mod6: did you guys make new dirs to build this stuff in?
mod6: what does `gpg --version` say?
decimation: I'm using 2.0.14 (comes with centos 6)
danielpbarron: gpg (GnuPG) 2.0.26
mod6: hmm, still, should be ok. i just re-ran on my side and got: >> Signature verified for bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
mod6: one sec.
decimation: :signature packet: algo 1, keyid B98228A001ABFFC7
mod6: what's weird to me... is that the log output that danielpbarron pasted, it says "good signature"
danielpbarron: i checked it manually
mod6: OH
decimation: Importing public keys to .gnupg keyring...
decimation: Verifing patch signatures..
decimation: Error! Possible bad signature on:
decimation: ~/bitcoin-v009/build/chicken/bitcoin-asciilifeform.1.patch.sig
mod6: oh that wasn't from the log output. ok. i wonder why it would puke for you guys, but not for me... although, im running 1.4.10
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70849 @ 0.00035393 = 25.0756 BTC [+]
decimation: asciilifeform: try it on your gentoo box
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24823 @ 0.00035394 = 8.7859 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: you know it's be so great if someone made a client that auto-pastebinned
mod6: i suppose it could be some weird regex failure... although, what danielpbarron pasted as a manual verify should have matched this:
mod6: 313 if($_ =~ /^.*Good signature.*$/) {
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93636 @ 0.00036156 = 33.855 BTC [+] {6}
asciilifeform: b.sh: line 2: $'\r': command not found
asciilifeform: and buncha similar.
decimation: I get a buncha errors in the gpg_import.log
mod6: can you post those decimation?
mod6: asciilifeform: what script was that?
asciilifeform: the one in question
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226241 @ 0.00036729 = 83.0961 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: the perl script?
assbot: dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 )
asciilifeform: does not run at all on my box
mod6: oh we're all discussing them pulling down the patch files, verifing the patch sigs and patching the base code
mod6: (build-v009.pl)
asciilifeform: i mean, my 'sh' won't swallow it.
trinque: that it's $HOME maybe?
trinque: gpg is fouling up not finding the keyring
decimation: it's a little weird to use $HOME that isn't $HOME
asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing
mod6: decimation: fair. i'll change that next time through.
asciilifeform: did 'pastebin' crap that in ?
asciilifeform: there's CR LF's in there
decimation: lol in my dpaste?
asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin'
mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3# xxd build-v009.pl | grep "0d0a"
assbot: dpaste: 2141VBQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3gCk8 )
mod6: root@debian-test:/home/mod6/build-test-3#
mod6: yeah, must be pastebin :/
mod6: sorry
asciilifeform: dos2unix fixes.
asciilifeform: but let all remember.
decimation: asciilifeform: everything feels free to mangle a passing cr I guess
mod6: i use pastebin more often because it does forever-pastes .. guess.. i just have to set dpaste for a year
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:19; asciilifeform: because plain ascii is like naked people
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2014 01:36:30; asciilifeform: everything feels free to manipulate the hanging bits
trinque: ^LOL
mod6: :]
decimation: ^also randomly insert chars
asciilifeform: so far the deps are grinding
mod6: decimation: huh, just looked at that error. must be something with 2.x version i'll have to fix0r.
mod6: can you change expiry on that guy for like 1 year?
decimation: yeah obviously some kind of permission problem
decimation: for the dpaste?
mod6: plz
mod6: if you run it again and you don't have $FULL_CLEAN set to "TRUE", you'll need to delete ~/build/.gnupg manually.
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform pronounced fatwa on 'pastebin' << kakobrekla said we're supposed to use dpaste.
mod6: ugh. anyway, i was hoping this would be the /easy/ part and we could actually test the part that needs testing lol.
asciilifeform: not the output
asciilifeform: but that was probably clear.
asciilifeform: betcha 'dpaste' takes a fat shit in there all the same
asciilifeform: but somebody test if want to
asciilifeform: it's building 'openssl' on my box now. and probably will for a few hrs, it's a slow box
decimation: mod6: I set $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE" and it didn't do anything different
decimation: I blew away build/.gnupg
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71419 @ 0.00036213 = 25.863 BTC [-] {3}
mod6: here's that same script in dpaste: http://dpaste.com/36249E3
assbot: dpaste: 36249E3 ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3hQft )
mod6: decimation: ok. that's fine. not sure what it's deal is.
mod6: thanks for giving it a shot.
decimation: no problem
decimation: it's probably a good idea to get it working on centos6 because that's pretty much the 'amazon linux' shit
mod6: eh, all around it's not much of an issue with the perl script, because no one will run that ever anyway.
mod6: i'll use it to patch the source code, then i'll bundle up the release.
mod6: everyone will start with an already patched codebase, unless they want to patch it manually or wrestle with one of the 2 scripts we have for this purpose
mod6: it seems, everyone has a mixed bag so it's hard to account for all of that i think.
decimation: yeah cross-platform is a pain in the ass
mod6: asciilifeform: this is the correct key to pull for you right?
assbot: Public Key Server -- Get "0xb98228a001abffc7 " ... ( http://bit.ly/1b3iedJ )
mod6: decimation: anyway, it totally works fine for me on my aws machine.
mod6: oh, i guess im running a deb6 ami up there.
decimation: lemme try
mod6: and yeah, im using gpg 1.4.10 there too
mod6: so centos6 might have issues if gpg 2.x, so maybe i just need to get my head out of my ass and add some code for that.
decimation: yeah ec2 uses gpg 2.0.25
trinque: mod6: I got through the patching script fine on latest gentoo
trinque: what shell is supposed to be running the next one
mod6: it's a bourne shell script /bin/sh
trinque: my sh does not have -xu
trinque: I think in debian sh is dash, maybe?
mod6: ahh, just take off those params then. it doesn't need 'em i don't think.
mod6: ben addded those, not exactly sure what they do. lol.
trinque strokes the cargo
mod6: thanks for testing trinque
asciilifeform: still cranking 'boost'
mod6: ahh, ok cool.
mod6: did you get through the perl script ok alf?
asciilifeform: wai wat
asciilifeform: is that in the sh somewhere
trinque: mod6: no problem, chugging along in the build
mod6: no, the perl script is a separate thing that grabs the v0.5.3 base code and then patches it. then `auto.sh' pulls bdb,openssl,and boost and builds 'em and then builds the static bitcoind
mod6: for all: keep in mind if you're not running the test on a x64 machine, you'll probably have to edit the vars on lines 4, 6 & 8
asciilifeform: neh it is
decimation: interesting, it seems that it works just fine on amazon linux
decimation: so it's not a gpg2 thing
mod6: ok so your amazon linux is running gpg v 1.4.10?
decimation: no 2.0.25
asciilifeform: built deps, croaked on not finding bitcoin src
danielpbarron: oh uh.. i'm not running on a x64 machine (if that means bits in processor)
asciilifeform: why are these separate scripts again ?
mod6: danielpbarron: yeah, that'll be a problem. what os/arch are you on?
mod6: asciilifeform: because how we'll roll out the release: 1) I'll patch the source myself and put it in a 'bitcoin' directory 2) i'll place the 'auto.sh' in the same parent directory as 'bitcoin' directory 3) tar those up 4) end user will unpack archive and execute `auto.sh'
danielpbarron: gentoo i386
mod6: so in the end the downloading/patching of the v0.5.3 base code won't be necessary since it'll already be complete.
mod6: danielpbarron: ok, change line 4 to: "32", line 6 to: "x86_32" and line 8 to: "linux-x86_32"
mod6: and cross fingers
mod6: i've never tested this on 32bit so this is a first.
mod6: in fact.
trinque: decimation: did you try changing that home var to something else?
trinque: I search and replaced mine with BUILD_DIR
trinque: so as not to mask $HOME
decimation: I'll try that
danielpbarron: of what, auto.sh ? I hadn't even gotten that far yet
mod6: while you're at it danielpbarron comment out line 130 of "auto.sh" so I can have you run one other command if you get through the static build.
mod6: (130 = "strip" command)
mod6: sorry, yes.
mod6 is slow.
decimation: trinque: no that didn't work
danielpbarron: no sorry i'm just distracted by the 3d gun guy trying to impress me on twitter
mod6: at the end of the static build there are 2 ugly warnings, but they're just warnings. so no worries.
mod6: heheh.
mod6: np, thanks for your help.
decimation: it might be that the umask on the amazon box is group writable, but isn't on my centos6 obx
mod6: hmm. noted. thanks decimation
danielpbarron: fwiw, I got 50 USD worth of link clicks pointing at this -> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2015#1042514
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2015 04:00:14; asciilifeform: to round off the electrobullet thread, i made this gedankenexperiment up for this just to show what folks like wilson -would- be doing if they were serious
decimation: ok I fixed it
decimation: you need to add --lock-never to make it work, because I am using a shitty vm-mounted filesystem that doesn't support hardlinks
asciilifeform: what means '50 usd worth' ? that it cost you that much bandwidth ?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron ^
decimation: (add it to your gpg command line in the script)
mod6: decimation: nice find!
danielpbarron: idk, twitter makes up the number; that's what it would have cost me to promote it myself (if not for wilson himself actually replying to it and getting it free attention)
asciilifeform: link? or was it boring
decimation: see if that's backwards compatible to gpg v1
assbot: “Cody Wilson Wants to Destroy Your World” by /ajzaleski https://t.co/kUTv9jyJJA
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: mega-snore
asciilifeform: it's a 'you. -- no, you. -- no, you. ... ... ...'
asciilifeform naively thought that wilson would have actually replied to the linked thing
danielpbarron: nobody every "actually replies" to stuff on social media
asciilifeform not sufficient zoologist to say if this or not
decimation: it seems that the telegraphers circa 1880 had better technology for sharing information
decimation: ok my centos6 box appears to lack 'realpath'
asciilifeform: neh just better people
mod6: ok, here's version v0.0.9.1 (seems to work with --lock--never added to lines 279 & 305 on v1): http://dpaste.com/2WRMSD7
assbot: dpaste: 2WRMSD7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1C8ZZzu )
mod6: also removed $HOME for $BUILD_DIR
mod6: s/--lock--never/--lock-never/
decimation: ok that kinda works, except it deletes all the sources except bitcoin
mod6: oh crap, lol, i didn't change the $BUILD_DIR back to "CHANGEME" derp
decimation: yeah I saw that heh
mod6: yeah, that's its default behavior. if you don't want it to delete the stuff, just change $FULL_CLEAN to "FALSE"
danielpbarron: http://danielpbarron.com/mod6.txt << output of auto.sh (with your modifications for 32)
decimation: ok that works
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75900 @ 0.00036841 = 27.9623 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: ok here it is again. sorry: http://dpaste.com/2MB8HVF
assbot: dpaste: 2MB8HVF ... ( http://bit.ly/1C90ERu )
mod6 looks at danielpbarron's paste
decimation: sigh, no package realpath is available
mod6: yeah, that's required from the original pogo script.
mod6: there's a realpath bin you can install iirc
mod6: danielpbarron: try editing the script and getting rid of the -xu thing after /bin/sh
mod6: im glad we're all trying this now.
danielpbarron: bash: ./auto.sh: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
mod6: one sec, i'll get you a new one. pastebin fucked us.
assbot: Logged on 12-03-2015 02:33:50; asciilifeform: there's fucking winblows garbage in this thing
decimation: ok yes that last dpaste works for me
decimation: danielpbarron: windows adds an extra character to the end of each line
decimation: because it sucks
danielpbarron: why can't i see these extra characters; vi on openbsd would show them
decimation: donno. emacs with whitespace mode shows them
mod6: yeah, pastebin sticks on CRLF's... like a derp
mod6: so ... i guess perhaps we try with dpaste and see.
danielpbarron: same problem
asciilifeform: dos2unix
mod6: i don't even own or use a M$ machine, so it has to be the paste sites.
decimation: try > dox2unix auto.sh
decimation: mod6: on centos6 you can use /bin/readlink -f to substitute for 'realpath'
mod6: ah! ok good to know.
danielpbarron: :e ++ff=unix
danielpbarron: ^ that fixed it in vim
mod6: yeah, that works too. cool
danielpbarron: ok it's compiling
danielpbarron: i commented out that line you told me to
mod6: thanks, that's good. i'll have you do a `cd bitcoin/src ; readelf --dynamic bitcoind` when its complete.
mod6: i haven't compiled on a 32bit system yet so this is a great test.
decimation: the 'installing docs' step is really slow
decimation: it's downloading the boost tarball
decimation: sucks
mod6: yeah, it's like 60mb or something.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63100 @ 0.00037148 = 23.4404 BTC [+] {2}
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