deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D51CE11AEBA34A453A079F1B846588882CC952F9C41ECA15812360F2C210888 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1374...8559 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown FR 60 S)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/9D51CE11AEBA34A453A079F1B846588882CC952F9C41ECA15812360F2C210888 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1640...9107 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown FR 60 S)
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 2586.68, vol: 8549.92302101 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 2531.9, vol: 5218.59957 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 2526.9, vol: 10784.26082203 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 2640.780796, vol: 12784.19920000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 2585.277, vol: 5494.40443755 | Volume-weighted last average: 2580.92180934
BingoBoingo: In other WaPo lulz: "Despite a recent uptick in the Russian birth rate, the country still has an old undereducated population plagued by chronic disease, and its economy isnt exactly an innovative dynamo." << Forgetting that USia is a diabetic crisis full of hamplanets useful for little other than biodiesel
mircea_popescu: innovative dynamo! tru because fake media says so!
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/411613C287DB5AADF988E2AA6FE5A735E9C448C40E60DB7F2E677417874439C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1562...0897 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/411613C287DB5AADF988E2AA6FE5A735E9C448C40E60DB7F2E677417874439C8 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1407...7877 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown BG)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B59E9E00EEF865CB23F3ADB6B971F4FF32A99FF4CEB399921E063CEDB9C98DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1750...4967 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 11)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/2B59E9E00EEF865CB23F3ADB6B971F4FF32A99FF4CEB399921E063CEDB9C98DC << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1643...4117 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '126.96.36.199 (ssh-rsa key from 188.8.131.52 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown CN 11)
asciilifeform: heya mod6
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/zxBmN << in today's lulz
asciilifeform: 'A group of fifteen consortium members from seven European countries has initiated this week a new project to curtail criminals and attackers from using blockchain technology to avoid law detection, while at the same time respecting the privacy rights of legitimate users.' << didjaknow !
asciilifeform: and at the same time '...will respect individual privacy and other fundamental rights'
asciilifeform: also 5mil euro dun seem like esp. much
asciilifeform: ( would buy... 6-7 gavins and a smallish server or two..? )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666042 << i don't think the bullshit is ever going to cease, for as long as there's a single socialist-criminal standing up somewhere they're go9ing to engage in criminal socialism.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-05 14:26 asciilifeform: 'A group of fifteen consortium members from seven European countries has initiated this week a new project to curtail criminals and attackers from using blockchain technology to avoid law detection, while at the same time respecting the privacy rights of legitimate users.' << didjaknow !
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666045 << the way the lizards expect the shit to work is exactly in the way mp -saves-openbsd worked : as seen moneyz. recall the story of the us embassy spending a whooping 50k to start an "empire" of fake news tv stations etc ?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-05 14:28 asciilifeform: ( would buy... 6-7 gavins and a smallish server or two..? )
asciilifeform: i.e. conductor's baton ?
mircea_popescu: see, they're not really made to function in a reality of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-04#1665942 ; they arose in an agar of "stone soup", and are only really fit to function in that context.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-04 17:40 mircea_popescu: bunch of old women are supposed to manage to misrepresent their trite idiocies as hip and "universal consensus", though the unlikely venue of marking reddit user groups as spam and deleting shit people said on twitter.
mircea_popescu: if a 50k expenditure isn't "polarizing" and doesn't result in EVERYONE beelining to give at the office, they really dunno what to do, have no plans, nothing.
mircea_popescu: that's why it's so fucking important to http://trilema.com/2017/time-to-get-out-by-the-way/ ; and why it's so extremely effectual, also.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : ubisoft (famous as a place where great franchises go do tie) actually CHECKS YOUR PW FOR "BAD" WORDS.
mircea_popescu: try it yourself lmao.
mircea_popescu: (also, fuck is bad, idiots is not, whatever)
asciilifeform: well! you wouldn't want nsa d00d hand-scraping the pw lists for addition to bruteforcetron collection, to be Offended!111 It Would Be Wrong
mircea_popescu: what if he's an ethnic female in a wheelchair.
asciilifeform: aha, especially
asciilifeform: 'hiv lesbian in wheelchair dancing macarena' (tm)(r)(uncle al)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6CD57C5E5238DBDB2FC4BCD0644BA3CFE77D21AE9B1195E66B504205F01CC128 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1578...4693 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '184.108.40.206 (ssh-rsa key from 220.127.116.11 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AR E)
deedbot: http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/6CD57C5E5238DBDB2FC4BCD0644BA3CFE77D21AE9B1195E66B504205F01CC128 << Recent Phuctorings. - Phuctored: 1729...4563 divides RSA Moduli belonging to '18.104.22.168 (ssh-rsa key from 22.214.171.124 (13-14 June 2016 extraction) for Phuctor import. Ask asciilifeform or framedragger on Freenode, or email fd at mkj dot lt) <ssh...lt>; ' (Unknown AR E)
asciilifeform: Direccion General de Catastro y Cartografia. Gobierno de la Provincia de Corrientes ^^ lel
asciilifeform: catastrocorrientes.gov.ar .
asciilifeform: !$ssh 126.96.36.199
scriba: ssh banner of 188.8.131.52 as seen on 2016-06-13: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9
asciilifeform: Run Moar Debian..
trinque: I read that first as "castrato"
asciilifeform: me too lol
mircea_popescu: torens title = "catastro" in spanish.
asciilifeform: cadaster in engl
shinohai: Well it is Argentina after all. *Everyone* is castrado there, no?
mircea_popescu: cadastrado lol
asciilifeform: ad astra per aspera (tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: ad castera per amsterda!
BingoBoingo: WAPO confuses soy and almond milks with Latex: https://archive.is/JsuvD << "In 1626, Francis Bacon observed that there be plants, that have a Milk in them when they are Cut."
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc chocolate, then cheese, already lost this 'war' in usa -- why not nao milk.
asciilifeform: 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!'
asciilifeform: soy even 'kills two birds with one stone' -- not only cheapolade, but feminizing
asciilifeform: almost surprising that soy ain't mandatory yet.
BingoBoingo: AHA, and WAPO fuckers suggest that as a virtue
mircea_popescu: !!up pikachu
deedbot: pikachu voiced for 30 minutes.
pikachu: can i ask question about bitcoin?
pikachu: what will happen with bitcoin in august? i cant sleep
pikachu: anyone else not worried because of uasf?
mircea_popescu: asking questions about yourself is best directed at someone who a) actually can distinguish you from adam and b) actually gives a shit about your issues.
mircea_popescu: go sleep.
mircea_popescu: in subsidiary, the united states air force isn't actually capable of hindering a herd of goats. totally need better stuff to lose sleep over.
pikachu: i got my life savings on bitcoin
mircea_popescu: why ?
pikachu: i thought it was a good idea, now im worried
mircea_popescu: well as long as you're entertained.
pikachu: im trying to learn asking different people about the situation and i become more confused daily
pikachu: uasf camp say, you must support uasf, or jihan wu fork will win
pikachu: jihan wu camp say, you must support jihan wu camp, or they will ruin bitcoin
trinque: the folly of sticking your "life savings" in something you don't understand, I suppose, eludes you
pikachu: i understand the technology
BingoBoingo: Neither of those camps matter. Go to sleep and wake up somewhere other than dashjr and wu's joint niggeropolis
pikachu: not so much the outcome of the current situation
pikachu: bingo boingo, you believe in middleground consensus can happen?
mircea_popescu: no dude. there's no "believe" and none of the redditards you keep reading matter in any sense / to any degree.
mircea_popescu: we see a set every 6 to 9 months, they say the same things, then disappear without a trace.
mircea_popescu: random idiots with "their life savings" "invested" "because they understand the technology" (ie, you, ie, people with no life savings and no understanding) read their crap, get all excited, also disappear every 6 to 9 months.
pikachu: yes i went throught xt, classic, bu, now this
mircea_popescu: in the 7 years of bitcoin we've seen OVER A DOZEN generations of you flies.
mircea_popescu: seriously, just go sleep. you're not part of bitcoin, nothing you do or thing makes any difference.
BingoBoingo: i.e. The problem is not that http://trilema.com/2013/fried-chicken/ but that they imagine themselves to be a polis
pikachu: no ive been since the begining
mircea_popescu: !!key pikachu
deedbot: Not registered.
mircea_popescu: i don't think so.
BingoBoingo: Well, you can get another 0.01 BTC to lose sleep over by sticking a sharpie in your pooper
pikachu: i started in 2012
mircea_popescu: and how can i verify this ?
BingoBoingo: Well, so you know that sharpie in the pooper is an easy gamble to take
pikachu: never been worried, until now
pikachu: because jihan has checkmated pow in my opinion
BingoBoingo: Has anything else about your health changed?
trinque relieved that pikachu came to share her feelings with us
pikachu: sorry im a guy no girls on the internet
mircea_popescu: no, see, you keep doing this stupid thing where you imagine that if you say something, effects follow. this is how redditards work, not how reality works.
BingoBoingo: Have you recently noticed changes in your appetite? Been losing weight recently? Anxiety up in other areas of life?
pikachu: yes im developing an ulcer thanks to jihan/uasf
BingoBoingo: Are you sure it's not a tumour?
mircea_popescu: !!down pikachu
mircea_popescu: other than the whole "nude statements from $nobody produce effects", there's also the "i'll just ignore anything that doesn't fit"
mircea_popescu: pretty much complete redditard model.
ben_vulpes: not much interesting in that thar log
trinque: could rule earth, and how many generations of "my betters owe me that one secret they don't want you to know" to beat out
mircea_popescu: the funny part being they actually believe their inane shit. "oh, if i type $string then it'll be parsed by all-comers as such! oh and i don't have to parse any strings myself!"
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would someone actually believe this nonsense, self-contradictory on its face as it finds itself, is beyond the scope of comprehension.
mircea_popescu: i suppose a lifetime of save scumming creates strange mental habits in the pikachus.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666124 << i've thoroughly lost track of these nonsenses by nao
a111: Logged on 2017-06-05 18:15 pikachu: because jihan has checkmated pow in my opinion
asciilifeform: ... was this one of the 2MB, or 20MB, or 2TB blox d00dz..?
mircea_popescu: $thing like $thing! pavin andresenash has ko'd burble protocol! borger ker has uplifted the tokemon foundation! ETCETERA!
asciilifeform: they've become ~impossible to distinguish from one another, even in principle. like viagra spams.
mircea_popescu: i wonder why that'd be.
mircea_popescu: the coomin brothers discovered one hip secret squirrels don't want you to see!
asciilifeform: the usual move from k to r strat
mircea_popescu: BUT LIFE SAVINGS!!1
mircea_popescu: the workings of spam being exactly this "there exist idiots / old people dumb enough to parse strings from $nobody"
asciilifeform: not even needed
asciilifeform: 'hey , somebody must! be making money doing this. lemme try also'
mircea_popescu: and this is how we ended up with wikipedia.
asciilifeform: the 'old people' largely ran out in what, 1998
mircea_popescu: you'd hope.
asciilifeform: at any rate, was finite resource
asciilifeform: ( 'new old' not any smarter, but have ~nothing worth stealing )
mircea_popescu: life savings!!1
mircea_popescu: why wont you believe ;/
asciilifeform: it is interesting how phrase 'life savings' already has an archaic 'patina coat' -- same flavour as 'workhouse', 'savings & loan', 'joint stock'
asciilifeform: ( and... сберкасса !! )
asciilifeform: there oughta be a museum... of failed financial tech
mircea_popescu: yeah. they got a dictionary of "+ev words", whereby if you say $word it creates +value in the mind of specific sort of imbecile.
mircea_popescu: "oh look dad, he produced the string "responsibility". he can't be a useless pothead. o look, thgere goes, "the future"!!!1 let's give him more money".
mircea_popescu: this is what they do, fill a coupla pages with "good words" at school / unemployment office / whatever.
mircea_popescu: should work (tm)
asciilifeform: see also vintage http://btcbase.org/log/2013-12-22#429490 .
a111: Logged on 2013-12-22 18:56 asciilifeform: 'If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.'
mircea_popescu: heck, 99% oif what's left of us intelligence consists of trying to calculate word-value over the whole interwebs. that's it.
mircea_popescu: can just forget about the rest, obviously if the spies aren't any better then neither are the diplomats, the government, and from there on down to corporations and "famblies", whatever else composes the socialist pyramid.
mircea_popescu: "artificial intelligence", a sort of modern kaballism really, is ~nothing else.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2014-11-14#922030 ^ oblig re subj
a111: Logged on 2014-11-14 21:02 asciilifeform: http://home.engineering.iastate.edu/~alexs/classes/2011_Spring_585X/readings/02_Principles/AI_Meets_Natural_Stupidity.pdf
mircea_popescu: which also takes the problem home : bayesian faux intelligence is not, per se, a scam. the whole thing is simply the application of tractors to what the dorks already did anyway in their internal forum.
mircea_popescu: you can't claim google-style "ai" is a scam when it simply does EXACTLY what average-voter does to decide who to vote for, average-idiot to pick his friends, average-office-drone to pick employees etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article re this very thing
mircea_popescu: or a few.
mircea_popescu: but yes, this will be the enduring legacy of the ustardian "culture", such as it is : a really large attempt to calculate the sum-value of strings of words. because "the alternative is hard" and besides "this kinda works".
mircea_popescu: of course, it only works in naive circumstances, as this shit always does. once mp/someome starts deliberately fucking with your words the whole shit goes nowhere. but obvioujsly "nobody could have predicted" etc.
asciilifeform: 'government of laws'
mircea_popescu: right ? finally fair, just add up the wordvalues of the laws, see what comes out!
erlehmann: what does “~” in front of a word mean? like here: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666145
a111: Logged on 2017-06-05 19:03 asciilifeform: they've become ~impossible to distinguish from one another, even in principle. like viagra spams.
erlehmann: i see.
erlehmann: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-05#1666164 << this seems to be some kind of virtue signaling?
a111: Logged on 2017-06-05 19:13 mircea_popescu: yeah. they got a dictionary of "+ev words", whereby if you say $word it creates +value in the mind of specific sort of imbecile.
trinque: less complicated than that. know how cats don't meow to each other? this is the idiot's imitative noise he thinks he heard coming from the folks supposed to fill his food bowl.
asciilifeform: trinque: iirc this was more of a neoteny / stuck-development thing
asciilifeform: ( e.g. the snow leopard in the central park zoo in nyc -- quite certainly meowed - it was surreal to watch )
trinque: how sad. better to kill the poor thing.
mircea_popescu: yet you'd never know to ask it.
asciilifeform: trinque: if zoo animal could speak, he might say same thing re 'civilized' man.
asciilifeform: 'kill yerself first, idiot'
asciilifeform: 'you think ~you~ don't live in a zoo
mircea_popescu: nah. more likely, something about how violence is not the answer and koombaya
asciilifeform: lol nope , that's what the herbivores said
asciilifeform: ( different cage )
trinque: aha. brings to mind http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-07#1579202
a111: Logged on 2016-12-07 17:35 trinque knows a person who owns a weimaraner, thing paces in her back yard back and forth between back door and window so much there's no grass in the path, has various other compulsions
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2017/06/bitcoin-network-difficulty-up-13-90-percent/ << Qntra - Bitcoin Network Difficulty Up ~13.90 Percent
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/no-such-labs-snsa-may-2017-statement/ << Trilema - No Such lAbs (S.NSA), May 2017 Statement
phf: https://mwi.usma.edu/effective-weapon-modern-battlefield-concrete/ on the role of concrete in the iraq war
asciilifeform: the last reich luvvved concrete just as much.
mircea_popescu: mostly a testament on how ~useless weaporny is.
asciilifeform: road mine still worked great.
phf: ied's vs concrete
mircea_popescu: the pretense of calling the enemy manufacture chain "improvised" is particularly lulzy coming from some people whose entire industrial process consists of impovising mixes out of chinese inputs.
mircea_popescu: ad-hoc littoral ship vs improvised explosive device ftw.
mircea_popescu: !!up scriba
deedbot: scriba voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up scwid
deedbot: scwid voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: !!up ave1
deedbot: ave1 voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: Further Redditard String Production Sourcery: https://archive.is/Brm9v "Suzuki I am Fat"
BingoBoingo: " Yes Suzuki, I am FAT! 315 pounds and my passenger is another 225, plus 50 pounds of our junk to carry for a total of 590 pounds on my 08 Burgman 400! My 400 is great on power, but supension is weak, even when set on 7 (the highest setting). We need a VERY HEAVY DUTY SUSPENSION FOR THE BURGMAN 400!" << "Get rid of the 400 ... Problem solved"
BingoBoingo: Punchline: "I am staying with the lighter, nimbler, simpler B400. I love my 400. Thank You. "
BingoBoingo: FUCK YOU, STOP WEIGHING A WHOLE 'NOTHER VEHICLE!!!
BingoBoingo: Vehicle should ride hamplanet until human sized!
mircea_popescu: for srs.
BingoBoingo: Not knowing that fucking exhaust system means needing to fuck carb to match can be forgiven, that is much math. Not knowing why vehicle designed to carry passenger ~25-33% of it's own mass objects to passenger ~70-200% is unforgivable hamplanetry
mircea_popescu: the fatsos are really offensive by now with their "oh, i have a right to exist" bullshit.
BingoBoingo: And all this bullshit is polluting my searches for "Can [vehicle] suspension handle ramp jumping"
mircea_popescu: need obesity euthanasia law.
BingoBoingo: No instead as soon as you invoke "suspension" in a string google/Bing/CuckCuckGo all return fatso pandering
BingoBoingo: Need ~25lb portable Lipodiesel refinery
asciilifeform: this is a little bit like complaining re ants, when kitchen has not been cleaned since reagan
asciilifeform: multiply buffett by 0 --> no obesity.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the piece of shit un is all going into overdrive with trying to get states to implement the usg-tronic "we'll just steal shit because it belongs to criminals hurr durr".
mircea_popescu: fuyck that shit. there's no need for a "united nations office of organized crime".
mircea_popescu: what's needed is an office for killing fat people.
asciilifeform: what's even left for them to steal ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the heuristic is, "hey, this shit not owned by aparatchik ? give it to aparatchik then!"
mircea_popescu: "proceedings in rem" and all the rest of that scandalous bullshit.
asciilifeform: incidentally BingoBoingo -- imho encouraging these folx to take up motorcycle is a wholesome thing
asciilifeform: will cure -- one way or the other.
BingoBoingo: Motorcycle is too safe to be cure for hamplanetry
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the old, nearly forgotten usefulstuffonwww galaxy, http://www.rhunt.f9.co.uk/Glass_Blowing/Glass_Blowing_Menu.htm
phf: i keep losing ascii's original gentoo recipe. anybody got a link handy?
phf: of course as soon as i asked, i figured out the right keywords
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-03-03#1421109 << ascii's original gentoo recipe
a111: Logged on 2016-03-03 17:24 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/3YZ2895.txt << preliminary crib sheet
asciilifeform: lol 404
asciilifeform: incidentally phf, i've been using the machine i built wih that recipe, ever since, and the list of proggies that - turns out - won't build ( because terminally infested ) is getting ever longer
asciilifeform: 'chromium', 'wine', 'gimp', 'wireshark', other commonplace items.
asciilifeform: these will need specially made cures.
asciilifeform: if you want to use'em.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates?
mircea_popescu: never seems to work out in practice.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you've had this tried?
ben_vulpes: would be neat to hear a field report
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: afaik there has never existed a full portage archive. some crud or other is always 'elsewhere'.
mircea_popescu: i thought this is what we're all trying. only to discover that whatever, xorg now no longer builds without gcc5 etc.
ben_vulpes: oh christ xorg needs gcc5 now?
mircea_popescu: whole fucking log is a slow, grindsing field report of "united nations has an office for combatting independence, not obesity".
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: and likewise no one ( or at the very least, nkt asciilifeform ) knows of a moment in time when it was wholly healthy, with 0 wormy bits
mircea_popescu: never was the case.
asciilifeform: even original unixen were wormy. ( heterogeneous undesigned slimemold dogvomit )
mircea_popescu: for historical accuracy : /me had bozo bit set on the above linked item when it couldn't emerge video.
asciilifeform: ( re gcc5 : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-03#1665170 )
a111: Logged on 2017-06-03 02:47 asciilifeform: in such a way as to judas goat the authors of said code to rewrite it such that it DEMANDS the new 'improved' compiler.
mircea_popescu: after eating however many woman-weeks as the stupid shit is wont to do.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 3d gpu on linux is lost cause ages ago
mircea_popescu: pretty much
asciilifeform: blobulated to death
asciilifeform: which is why asciilifeform's boxes run... 2d
asciilifeform: as if year were 1997
asciilifeform: 0 'acceleration'
asciilifeform: and noshit it won't 'emerge video', a stock gentoo won't suck in closed crapolade
asciilifeform: ( unlike 'africa' )
mircea_popescu: pretty sure the bitching is in teh log at the time or something.
asciilifeform: btw ben_vulpes et al : might be worthwhile to find the last uninfected ver. of xorg.
asciilifeform: and preserve.
trinque: this appears to lead to infinite regress
asciilifeform: trinque: howsthat
mircea_popescu: i briefly tried to do that on s.mg. it... didn't work out.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: say moar?
trinque: asciilifeform: same reason you barfed writing a lisp for x86
trinque: the thing's recursively hairy
trinque: something else will pop out next
mircea_popescu: what's to say. the volume of shit you gotta preserve rapidly expands > the gb. the work your techs are required to do in order to accomplish this scales ~liniarily with the shithub "work" of the maggots.
asciilifeform: trinque: a finite # of these releases, existed... theoretically could try'em all
mircea_popescu: not a sane use of our limited resources.
asciilifeform: ( gentoo per se automates a good chunk of the work. iterate over xorgs until one builds with gcc4... )
mircea_popescu: in theory there's no difference between theory and practice.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666252 << as was mentioned in logs before, portage doesn't contain sources. it downloads sources from elsewhere
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 00:38 ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: could one pull down an older portage archive and run from that forever? although forsaking updates?
asciilifeform: phf: i assumed he meant 'the mirrors'
asciilifeform: and point out -- afaik there was never a 'whole world' mirror.
asciilifeform: ( one of the appeals of bsd is that something like it -- existed )
phf: i don't think bsd mirrors it either, it's not mandatory by design anyway
phf: afaiu the only distros that preserve the whole thing are debian and redhat
asciilifeform: rathead preserved sources?!
phf: yeah, i think they package them into srpms, but i'm not sure if they are mandatory step in the distribution process
asciilifeform: i'ma hazard a guess, that you will barf long before ever succeeding in actually tracking down 100% of the src that adds up to a given rathead install.
phf: yeah, cursory interneting reveals as much
asciilifeform: !!up gabriel_laddel_p
deedbot: gabriel_laddel_p voiced for 30 minutes.
gabriel_laddel_p: I don't have the disk space to back these up myself, but someone can start with: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1552071
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 21:36 gabriel_laddel: $$ later tell dina_corman gentoo distfile backups
gabriel_laddel_p: If you google for "funtoo distfiles mirror" and review all google results, should provide a decent start.
ben_vulpes: so xorg-drivers 1.18-r1 pulls in xorg-server-1.19.3, which pulls in xorg-drivers-1.19.3 which conflicts with the requested version
mircea_popescu: as i was saying, been there, done that, got no tshirt.
mircea_popescu: there's no problem with the provision of "decent starts".
asciilifeform: 'The use of Git and SSL/TLS sets a very high barrier for in-flight tampering. This is not the point of discussion.' lel
mircea_popescu: that's what this whole tower of idiot boy excrement consists of.
ben_vulpes rubs face
mircea_popescu: the idea is to have acceptable ends.
ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/Ahc2R/?raw=true << this still pulls gcc 5 in, yes?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it doesn't cure gcc5ism, no
asciilifeform: now you might try same recipe, cum a gcc5 ban
asciilifeform: see if it ends up pulling last-sane vers of various.
asciilifeform: before you say 'nowai' -- i was equally surprised that the poettering ban worked as well as it did
asciilifeform: (i.e. resulted in a very usable box, that i still use every day)
asciilifeform: the important bit is that it has to be done on a ~virginal~ gentoo
asciilifeform: that hasn't been shat in yet
trinque: if you put chromium on it, you're done
ben_vulpes: trinque: kinda what i'm looking at
asciilifeform: btw there is a dbus-remover patch for chromium, somewhere
asciilifeform: i have not tested it.
trinque: then somebody will get in via your unicode parser
trinque: or sound driver via malicious porn soundtrack
trinque: point being how does one not say to himself, "if connected to net, what you've got there is an NSA terminal, and that's it"
asciilifeform: trinque: in the multiGB tub of liquishit, there are million years' worth of 'surprise'
asciilifeform: it must die.
asciilifeform: all of it.
trinque: obviously what I said.
trinque: considering the million years worth of surprise, I'm inclined to believe that standardization on gentoo or whatever else is insane.
trinque: attacker will know exactly what surprises to apply to all.
asciilifeform: trinque: to the extent gentoo was interesting, it was because it enabled ~nonstandardization~.
asciilifeform: i.e. ~0 required programs.
asciilifeform: ( one weak point -- it did demand python )
trinque: could have, but nobody beat anyone when ebuilds decided to pull down deps out of band into /var/tmp or wherever
asciilifeform: i speak of gentoo in past tense. but it remains that every box i will ever, likely, live to use , will still be made from bricks of the ruins of gentoo, and not from anything else.
trinque: asciilifeform: no disagreement there either; here I sit on my own heirloom pistolchair
asciilifeform: because there isn't actually an alternative.
asciilifeform: not if you actually ~work~ with the comp.
asciilifeform: ( vs 'glorified ipad' )
mircea_popescu: trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different".
trinque: I think phf is right in pointing to old debian cd sets as dep time capsules.
mircea_popescu: i don't. there's nothing to capsule. have some lulz-debian with their epic rngs capsuled ? noty.
trinque: true also.
mod6: yah, that shit is br0k3d
mircea_popescu: "oh, but we patch that". sure you do. and who's gonna feed the boy genius that manages all the patchcomplexity ?
mircea_popescu: it's "decent starts" all the way down.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666349 << spoken like a true 'my comp is ipad with keyboard' fella.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:23 mircea_popescu: trinque kinda my thinking. gentoo === ubuntu, and for that matter === windows. not really better, just "different".
mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform don't make me dig into what "work" is!11
trinque: asciilifeform: in other threads you're the one making the same claim.
trinque: "no different!!111!!!1!!!1" << moar recognizable?
asciilifeform: trinque: link?
trinque: you can't recall the "but intel nics" loop yourself?
mircea_popescu: tis a bitter pill this, "computing never actually worked. ever. period."
trinque: not as if I wouldn't like there to be recourse here.
trinque: one advantage of being one of the least educated guys here. "my life is wasted" happened ~decade ago.
asciilifeform: trinque: there was a thread, at one point, with philosophical puzzle -- if chained to wheelbarrow at butugychag, would you rather have one with spikes on handles, or not. or something to this effect.
asciilifeform: trinque: what'd it even mean for life 'not wasted' ? i gotta ask
trinque: to have one's life's work end up on the longest chain, and not discarded.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666358 << phunphakt: dos drivers (tsr!) exist for ~all recent nic chipsets. i don't even know why, but they do. they figure in my eternal 'reverse rtlink GB chip' thing.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:27 mircea_popescu: dos is probably the last capsulable item. and it has no broadband.
asciilifeform: ( reasonably compact )
trinque: ada sits down happily on DOS eh?
asciilifeform: trinque: on bare iron, too
asciilifeform: dun really need an os
asciilifeform: ( has own scheduler, for instance )
asciilifeform: dos per se is crippling in re sticking you into 16bit x86 idiot mode
asciilifeform: ( have fun with 640k and segments )
asciilifeform: but for some purposes 640k is 10x moar than you would ever even need,
asciilifeform: e.g. i fully intend a dos port of 'p'.
asciilifeform: ( would need a rs232 FUCKGOATS attached )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-06-06#1666370 << this is quite fundamentally unknowable. e.g., europe was so very certain that it lives on longest chain... and then poof!!!
a111: Logged on 2017-06-06 01:35 trinque: to have one's life's work end up on the longest chain, and not discarded.
asciilifeform: one could ask for, i suppose, 'i dun want to consciously mine on orphan chain', but this is not up to you, and in the degenerate case it reduces to... asking to be stupider
asciilifeform: '...dun want to consciously...'
trinque: point being, someone will have to argue the merits of stacking blocks on linux, and all the other turds contained in the term.
asciilifeform: trinque: as soon as credible alternative -- poof, linux is bad memory
trinque: also, I said "no recourse" earlier and you balked
trinque: now you claim "no recourse"
trinque: so we agree.
asciilifeform: trinque: can take wheelbarrow with spikes, and anal waltz with lube; or without. matter of taste.
asciilifeform: fact: FG would not exist if i had to design and test it on a winblowz box.
mircea_popescu: it's a fortunate thing, then, that nobody's making you do anything.
asciilifeform: eh hey i got another room where i do things for pay, and there are all kinds of horrors there, even winblowz vm
asciilifeform: even crapples
asciilifeform: ( i haven't a nintendo yet, at least!111 )
mircea_popescu: in another castle, there's even an ipad!
asciilifeform: but indeed there exists this marvelous world of items folx made 'because were made to', 'use what you gotta', 'deadline', 'pays the rent', etc. these items are called, generally : shitware.
asciilifeform: it is how shitware reproduces.
asciilifeform: the next fella gets your thing and is ordered to 'make X run..' etc
asciilifeform: naggum described process 'perl accretion' but it applies in general case.
trinque: thus there is no republican linux.
asciilifeform: no republican comp, either
asciilifeform: ( the two, i maintain, are not unrelated )
asciilifeform: it was tricky enough to make 'republican rng', an item closer in order of complexity, to a knife or a fork, than to a comp
asciilifeform: but possibly asciilifeform is just thick
trinque: no, only the latter item is not made by single monk toiling alone
asciilifeform: we don't presently know of any other means of making worthwhile things, sadly.
asciilifeform: mass market --> nintendo.
asciilifeform: want good eats ? cook it. ( or someone close to you -- cooks )
asciilifeform: speakingg of which, brb
trinque: I've seen instances before where a guy made a tool, went around to a few folks showing them "the greatestest X" thinking "they're smart, will pick up my tool and use"
trinque: obviously it's better.
trinque: 0 did.
trinque has ever since made his money lifting makework out of incompetents with software, making tools for himself to do so.
trinque: works better in this environment, and I understand why the notion is revolting.
trinque: *makework out of incompetents' hands
trinque: !~ticker --market all
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mircea_popescu: o noes muh life infestments!
BingoBoingo: Muh Insurance Savings!!!
BingoBoingo: !~ticker --market all --currency eur
jhvh1: BingoBoingo: Bitstamp BTCEUR last: 2499.176475, vol: 16140.30783270 | BTC-E BTCEUR last: 2369.19308, vol: 151.44943 | BTCChina BTCEUR last: 2572.821306, vol: 16587.67540000 | Kraken BTCEUR last: 2471.759, vol: 14805.7297784 | Volume-weighted last average: 2515.86877243
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