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asciilifeform: 'All this was in part spawned by a long going if little voiced thread in #b-a on the topic of "how can PGP folk be this fucking retarded. Sort-of like the colonial European's expectation that someone firing a weapon necessarily speaks French, or Spanish, or English, or some sort of civilised language also. Because otherwise... where did they get the human weapon! Goblins don't craft weapons.' << YES!
asciilifeform: ^^ mircea_popescu winz. ^^
mircea_popescu: shit i stepped away for a second and i got way behind
asciilifeform while mircea_popescu was out, was in the middle of finally writing the motherfucking broadcast but paused to post the mempool guillotine
asciilifeform: which has been up the sleeve for too long
asciilifeform: ought to be tried by somebody.
asciilifeform: (and yes, i test'em before posting, but i mean here ~really~ test!)
asciilifeform: like, on live goats
mircea_popescu: poor goats.
asciilifeform: also ok to use live lusers
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's quite obvious that the b-a conversations consist of both spoken and silent dialogue
mircea_popescu: or i should expect it;s obvious
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> also ok to use live lusers << Pull request to Bitcoin Core GitRub?
asciilifeform: how could be otherwise !
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: where to get'em is b/w you and the godz
mircea_popescu: the godz of metal.
asciilifeform: 'the gods of the copybook headings' (tm) (r) (kipling!)
assbot: Poems - 'The Gods of the Copybook Headings' ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, everyone worth talking to is in point of fact +ev in prisno.
mircea_popescu: talk to someone who's ever done any time. there's a ton of mexicans doing time in us prisons to make money for their family bacvk home.
asciilifeform: that's only +ev if $1/day is money somewhere you come from
mircea_popescu: actually i would guess currently the earned income this way is about 12-15kish a year.
mircea_popescu: liquid tho.
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 18:55:44; ascii_field: not even chumps, as such - many of these folks (i usedto work with'em) are laughing all the way to the bank, riding the thermodynamic waterfall between usd salary and cn cost of living
asciilifeform: 'In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
asciilifeform: By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
asciilifeform: But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
asciilifeform: And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: "If you don't work you die."'
mircea_popescu: decimation they';re not capable of it. there's this very insistently nursed delusion among white useless usians that somehow some types of work are "below" them in the sense that OF COURSE they could do it. not so. alf has it : fuck you for "being able to" put the fries in the frier once. do it every day forever.
mircea_popescu: so no. they are not capable, of any kind of work.
mircea_popescu: not capable of intellectual work because not smart enough.
mircea_popescu: not capable of labour because not patient enough.
mircea_popescu: the only work they're capable of is reddit shitslinging, and there's a ton of dudes doin that cheaper and better already. easily 100x what's needed anyway.
mircea_popescu: also - programmer is not a craftsman. "programmer" is the boy equivalent of the "artsy" chick. one does stupid shit and "sells it" on etsy, the other does stupid shit and "sells it" on github
mircea_popescu: the difference is absolutely nil.
asciilifeform: again with reddit php == programming notion
mircea_popescu: this is what it is.
mircea_popescu: talk to a recent cs graduate.
gernika: mircea_popescu I thought all usians dipped fries in the frier as teens or college students at least. Do the younger ones not go through that anymore?
asciilifeform: does mircea_popescu need working komputermaschinen for anything?
TheNewDeal: manual labor is an option as well
asciilifeform: or is he happy with gefingerpoken
asciilifeform: and the 'recent graduate' - straight to the furnace, yes
BingoBoingo: gernika: Not enough jobs to hire them all for it
asciilifeform: doesn't change what programming/medicine/bridge-building ~is~
mircea_popescu: gernika is it a patently retarded idea to buy "restaurant". a restaurant is not a box of candies. if you haven't spent a decade working in one, you have no business OWNING one.
asciilifeform: butbut want moneyz for having moneyz!
asciilifeform: like ted turner!
mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
mircea_popescu: bar. pizzeria. thjeir mother on a stick.
mircea_popescu: fucking country was full to the brim of bad pink collar places like that badly run by inept cocklets who had somehow imagined they run themselves.
TheNewDeal: offer is still on the record for those interested in the bitcoin no over 350 bezzlers.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 01:07:52; TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'Meanwhile everyone else continues to practice medicine as best the means available allow also, but according to what the knowledge of the time allows. And everyone else is going to be the professionals in the field of medicine in Sicily cca 1200, whereas our teleported professional is just going to be a quaint curio, undistinguishable and undistinguished from the weird old lady making pretty young things swall
asciilifeform: ow live frogs whole, fresh out of the swamp, for her own perverse enjoyment of seeing the young sluts suffer. Hey, it cured Sue's pregnancy, it did! What spontaneous abortion, what coincidence, are you from like the future ?' << this is, as often is, not the complete story. there ~were~ folks who made a reputation for actually curing something
mircea_popescu: gernika also all usians dipped their cock in pussy juice in college. afaik not done anymore.
asciilifeform: gernika, mircea_popescu: actually this is still sop. i am the odd man out among my circle for ~never~ having done a lick of honest work
asciilifeform: (in the sense of 'deep fryer')
mircea_popescu: you're too old for this discussion.
mircea_popescu: talk to 20 yos.
mircea_popescu: and yes, sure there were folks who made a reputation. then as now.
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 00:01:42; asciilifeform: consider ancient scholars like the persian Razi.
mircea_popescu: obama has a reputation for bringing nobel peace, and paracelsus had a reputation for curing spiritual warts.
asciilifeform: ain't talking of xerxes's reputation for subduing the ocean with whip
mircea_popescu: but necessarily you are.
asciilifeform: because we haven't a chronoscope? possibly.
mircea_popescu: and because who at the time is going to be your ossasepia.
asciilifeform: or possibly a few folks actually knew 'just enough to be dangerous'
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 19:39:51; kakobrekla: fluffypony mp is a safe bet
mircea_popescu: seriosly, i'd like to point out the pattern of it. clearly the guy is buying tailings, ie, overflow traffic/whatever's available to fit his budget. ends up with what overflows.
mircea_popescu: i'm quite flattered, honestly. to think someone hates my shit enough that he's willing to spend to mess with it for part of a day likely more than what people paid to read it in its entire history...
mircea_popescu: it's its own, special brand of compliment.
mircea_popescu: sorta like the situation of a spy, really - the enemy is willing to spend millions to nail him, whereas his own team has to be fought for a 10k allocation sort of deal.
asciilifeform: usg 'drop ten million rocket to nail a camel' is generous !
mircea_popescu: something like that, but really this looks more like butthurt noob "with connections"
asciilifeform: and 'his own team has to be fought for 10k' is for the same fundamental reason that a programmer who saves a $maxint reactor gets a $smallint bonus for his trouble
asciilifeform: or perhaps is simply fired slightly later
asciilifeform: or why the food-lever-operator chimp gets a slightly weaker beating as his 'salary'
mircea_popescu: dumb way to run things.
asciilifeform: i know of nothing which was ever run in any other way.
asciilifeform: could exist, perhaps!
mircea_popescu: i never ran things in that dumb manner.
asciilifeform: like island of stability somewhere ten metres below the known mendeleev table
mircea_popescu: also, japan didn't.
mircea_popescu: you save reactor - you get it. it's yours now.
asciilifeform: only if blue blood
mircea_popescu: has its failings, but at least it's fun to be in.
mircea_popescu: nah. if "blue blood" i nthe sense of, willing to put up a fucking banner.
mircea_popescu: or w/e they use.
mircea_popescu: it's also a dumb system, for the record. tho perhaps less dumb and certainly dumb for different reasons.
mircea_popescu: (to understand why it's dumb - imagine your prize for rescuing drowning damsel is the damsel. what if you don't want damsels, just enjoy swimming ?)
asciilifeform: american system is even more 'interesting':
mircea_popescu: it broadly sunk the shogunate at any rate.
asciilifeform: your 'reward' is the damsel's menstrual output
asciilifeform: and little else
mircea_popescu: draw out this simile for my benefit, i dun follow.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
asciilifeform: worker bee gets the 'responsibility' but not the mega-cashout if the thing sells
asciilifeform: work weekends, nights - sure
asciilifeform: for... 0.1 % of $maybe.
mircea_popescu: shinohai : buncha other people are running eulora with gallium 4.0, incl on llvmpipe. that wouldn't likely be it.
mircea_popescu: shinohai but you're the only one wioth mesa < 10. so that'd likely be it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to pound in the last nail (for now) in the subject: razi, avicenna, et al had it easy compared to modern folk: they could at least charge the rich folks of their time for providing something superficially like working medicine
asciilifeform: but no one will pay for, e.g., de-drepperization of bitcoin
asciilifeform: because 'who the fuck pays for sunlight'
mircea_popescu: you're model of how these guys' lives worked is really very bad you know.
asciilifeform: my model is based on the same almost-nonexistent record as everybody else's ...
mircea_popescu: in the case of avicenna it's not that bad, and a ton has been done to try and figure out his context.
asciilifeform: HOLY SHIT
asciilifeform: did anyone else spot the boojum in the mempool mechanism ?
asciilifeform: revealed by the most recent experiment i suggested
asciilifeform: looks like...
asciilifeform: boost map stuctures DON'T FREE MEMORY when they lose members.
asciilifeform: THIS is why, e.g., orphanage limits did nothing
asciilifeform: who does not believe, is welcome to go and try the experiment in
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asciilifeform head-desks
mircea_popescu: they only free when destroyed yes
asciilifeform: except they don't
asciilifeform: perhaps instead of waiting for this finding, mircea_popescu ought to have paid a nickel to an interchangeable chunk of protoplasm from 'fiverr' or 'etsy' to discover it.
asciilifeform: given as 'all programming is same'
mircea_popescu: ask anyone if what you're doing is programming and let me knopw what they say.
asciilifeform: just asked woman. said 'yes'
asciilifeform: 'on account of, what else is it'
mircea_popescu: well... there goes that argument.
asciilifeform: though she as often describes it as 'the war'
asciilifeform: in the sense of something i might conceivably one day 'come back from'
mircea_popescu: fat hope.
assbot: Life's Gonna Suck Lyrics - Denis Leary ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'You're gonna be a giant mess
asciilifeform: When you get back from the war'
mircea_popescu: i don't think you were that unmessy to begin with anyway.
mircea_popescu: proof : couldn't get even mcdonalds job.
asciilifeform: was even turned away at a bicycle repair pit
asciilifeform: (among other)
mircea_popescu: and you wanted to be my side of the street bicycle powered knife sharpener!
asciilifeform: those don't have to be hired by a boss, all they gotta do is not scare folks away and sharpen
mircea_popescu: in other news - ima point out to our esteemed us smoking colleagues that actual habanero montecristos are about a dime a dozen here.
mircea_popescu: dogs smoke them
asciilifeform: habanero, as with pepper ?
mircea_popescu: ie from havana, cuba.
asciilifeform clearly needs sleep
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski << that first quote made me lose interest in the dood.
assbot: No, you don’t understand elite discontent. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
pete_dushenski: rightly so.
mircea_popescu: really, that's what he got out of whatever summary he read, that plato lamented writing. probably because "he despised poor people"
pete_dushenski: i was feeling soldiery today so i... soldiered on.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: he actually admitted to reading summaries
pete_dushenski: that's not even a joke.
pete_dushenski: in the footnotes of his original he cited motherfucking summaries written by contemporary tards
pete_dushenski: Venkatesh Rao is some kinda troll.
mircea_popescu: he was "being ironic", in current pop-parlance. had plato in fact and earnestly "bemoaned progress" played straight, he'd have complained about the innovation of allowing teen boys not be raped (mostly championed by socrates, for that matter).
pete_dushenski: he was being pseudo-intellectual and name-dropping like the thinly veiled charlatanic 'progressive' he is.
mircea_popescu: << check it out. someone should add regexp
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and you're right. plato's lamentation of oral storytelling clearly wasn't his most serious gripe with technology
mircea_popescu: he was making a point. which point incidentally stands,
mircea_popescu: except apparently doesn't stand too well to the reading of barely literate goats bereft of the time to comprehend context.
pete_dushenski: "What we - and yes, I include myself firmly in this much despised camp – view as degeneracy are the expected developments ; that is, the highly predictable and completely foreseeable destruction wrought by making good things “accessible” and “easy-to-use.”" << this is what stands from plato's lament
mircea_popescu: you gotta appreciate plato's personal history.
mircea_popescu: not only was the man part of a b-a of his time, but they actually took power.
mircea_popescu: and then fucked everything up.
mircea_popescu: vividly.
pete_dushenski: well, he was assumed too much rationality in man, no ?
mircea_popescu: who even knows.
mircea_popescu: whatever the fuck happened there is still an open question.
mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
pete_dushenski: or just more alpaca socks to buy.
gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure that's what it is.
pete_dushenski: gernika: can't say i am. link ?
mircea_popescu: gernika are you like, the most well read of us on the people we don't like ?
assbot: The Gervais Principle ... ( )
pete_dushenski: i honestly just stumbled across this rao dude today and he happened to serve up the right fodder at the right moment. so i fired, fired, fired away.
gernika: mircea_popescu: somehow they lead me here. They got me thinking at least. Or at least trying to.
mircea_popescu: it's not a crime by any means. as they say, there's a blessing for everything
pete_dushenski: is gernika also a pro on twobitidiot and tim swanson ?
mircea_popescu: perfection in any field's still a perfection.
gernika: pete_dushenski sadly unfamiliar with their work. I totally missed out on the tardstalk madness.
mircea_popescu: what man buys a goat that is already milking a cow.
pete_dushenski: gernika: eh, they're more twitterati ftr, for what little difference that makes.
pete_dushenski: and you're really NOT missing out.
gernika: pete_dushenski anyway I admit I was fond of the Gervais Principle, and it gave me a model to try and think about wtf executives and managers do all day.
pete_dushenski: though they each earned a contravex article in their respective heydeys.
pete_dushenski: heh. 7.3 gh/s gets you 10.5% of the ethereum mining power and the top individual miner spot.
pete_dushenski: gernika: i'll give it a peek here.
gernika: pete_dushenski: cool. I think my problem with Rao now is that he bases the Gervaise Principle off of The Office which was written by kids like B.J. Novak - and how the hell does he know anything about what executives do? He may, I just don't see how he got the knowledge.
mircea_popescu: wait a second. you're not seriously trying to understand "what executives do" by reading bloggers' commentary on tv shows ?!
mircea_popescu: this is almost like trying to understand whether alf is a programmer by asking his girlfriend whether he likes the eggs runny.
gernika: mircea_popescu I had hopes, yes.
pete_dushenski: this is pure rao.
pete_dushenski: 'understanding an eagle's viewpoint by living as a worm in dirt'
mircea_popescu: anyway. have you happened to at any point notice the similarity between the "companies promoite the wrong people - not me!" and the usual complaint trhe same people make about women "they fuck jerks instead of seeing how much of a great sense of humor i have" ?
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mircea_popescu: because it's dunning-kruger all through. the dumbass who sucks at life can't correctly evaluate wqhat the people better than him are doing so they ARE better than him. and so he doesn't understand why they get promoted and laid.
pete_dushenski: "my betters suck, they just can't see it like i do"
gernika: mircea_popescu on top of that he argues its not even worth being promoted
mircea_popescu: all these complex (wholly self-contained) mind games to hack the girls panties from offa her fanny
mircea_popescu: as if she wouldn't just take them off herself anyway
mircea_popescu: gernika or gettinglaid. sure. EGHOW!
pete_dushenski: no perspective, some imagination, and *poof*, magical stories that conveniently assuage the ego.
mircea_popescu: employees going their own way!
pete_dushenski: gernika: "no one NEEDS a ferrari anyways, they're just for showing off"
gernika: lol!
mircea_popescu: well this is much true.
mircea_popescu: also nobody needs to be six foot tall.
mircea_popescu: anyway! this is enouigh for me tonight gents. have a great one.
pete_dushenski: bon soir mp
pete_dushenski continues reading the latest trilema, searching for mountain bike rentals, and hunting for the right air-cooled porsche deal
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BingoBoingo: Only in East Saint, the body on the road being a carjacking ruse is more novel than there being a body on the road
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BingoBoingo: !up Hasimir
BingoBoingo: !up Belxjander
BingoBoingo: !up TheRealJohnGalt
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "can be ridden for a lot of mileage, and simlarly"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: also, "enligthened restraint"
pete_dushenski: also also, "established throgh counting"
Belxjander: thank you for the temp voice...
pete_dushenski: Belxjander: and who might you be ?
pete_dushenski: !gettrust Belxjander
assbot: Belxjander is not registered in WoT.
Belxjander: what the hell does it mean I'm not in the WoT
pete_dushenski: !up Belxjander
Belxjander: pete a guy living in Japan who has been reading here a long time
pete_dushenski: Belxjander: then you must be joking about not knowing what the wot means if you've been 'reading here a long time'
Belxjander: I'm in the middle of moving so don't really have time to mess with everything until after getting network access sorted at the new place
pete_dushenski: either way, read that link there and follow along.
Belxjander: pete I'm not saying that... I'm surprised the bot can't find me in the WoT
assbot: Biting Into The WoT Elephant (And IRC Nicknames) | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ;;gettrust Belxjander
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user pete_dushenski to user Belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013
pete_dushenski: aha. you're in the old gribble wot.
pete_dushenski: you also need to register in the new assbot wot
pete_dushenski: and you're friends with usagi !
pete_dushenski: bwahaha now there's a badge of dishonour.
Belxjander: then I'll screengrab this for now and get to that sometime after getting online at my new address then
pete_dushenski: no matter. just get in the new wot
Belxjander: soon as I can then...preferably with my desktop and not from this tablet and rpi-znc setup
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Now, you aren't still running OS X anywhere are you
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: sure i am.
BingoBoingo: You read qntra today right?
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pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: actually, just now. i read about that flaw a day or two ago.
pete_dushenski: what, you think i run the latest ?? pah.
BingoBoingo: It is a pretty big, pretty intentional seemign Drepperization
pete_dushenski: i may be stupid in my choice of os, but not THAT stupid.
pete_dushenski: Belxjander: cool beans.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's never to late to embrace OS 9
pete_dushenski: i really should have a machine running that.
pete_dushenski: just for kicks
pete_dushenski: and diversity !
BingoBoingo: And to see what could have been
pete_dushenski: i sorta remember it. i ran it on my first g3 tower iirc
Belxjander: using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche..
cazalla: <<< as much as i'd like to fuck a different woman each night, i usually settle for a tissue.. who knows maybe i'll get lucky on the weekend when/if i try to get the foundation's client up and running
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 14:06:53; asciilifeform: << at this point i gotta ask, why are any of you still using the phoundation turd for anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8350 @ 0.00051943 = 4.3372 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: <<< the guides help but isn't enough to get it over the line for me so until i can build it by myself, i'm stuck using what is available to me
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:28:01; mircea_popescu: the latter is guaranteed to take a while. the former may take even longer depending on how familiar you are with mashing computers into shape.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 01:08:38; BingoBoingo: Can't tell if real or fake
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I can't go leaking seekrits though
BingoBoingo: Pattypan squash coming in heavy this year
shinohai: CoinTelegrapgh lel
jurov: was half a bitcoin per shitplatform. and lel "running the compiler"
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 00:51:27; mircea_popescu: << iirc you got a bitcoin for running the windows compiler, and didn't even get pushed to do the os/x or die. my memory betrayin' me or something ?
jurov: if it was, you'd have folks waiting in line
punkman: mircea_popescu: << not dollar value, however. but yes. << exactly. I get immense value from Luxor meat-wot, but it will never be in dollars.
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 17:36:33; trinque: punkman | trinque: consider the case where your meat-wot is "businessmen" in Luxor << can probably be milked for some kind of value; if that's all ya got, that's all ya got. better than nothing
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punkman: << same here. and I go to that stupid restaurant at 00:40, there's 4-5 tables still waiting for food, but the motherfucker has the nerve to say "sorry kitchen's closed".
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 04:16:26; mircea_popescu: romanian fucktarded kids did this to death. went to work abroad - sucked septuagenarian cock on cruise ships, manned boats off alaska, whatever, came back with a 20-50-70k and then... OPENED A RESTAURANT
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punkman: << I liked it back in 2009, and it seemed slightly derpy then. but I can no longer read Rao's markov output.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:10:01; gernika: pete_dushenski: you familiar with Rao's Gervais Principle posts?
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, sounds yum.. i'm just about ready to get some spring veg into the seed propogator (warm mat and shit)
cazalla: either this coming weekend or next
shinohai: dem netsplitz >.>
Adlai: dat irc_smart_filter
shinohai: LTC:USD sell = 4.20, buy = 4.21, last = 4.20; high = 4.36, low = 4.09, avg = 4.22 || via BTC-e on 2015-Aug-04 08:43:07 Z
shinohai: ltc @ 4.20 hue
cazalla: <<< is that the local strip joint you like? :P
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Nah, just beautiful vandalism
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: Yeah. No damn tobacco, that's for sure.
punkman: every time ^
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
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assbot: BitLicense: New York Cronyism State of Mind : Bitcoin ... ( )
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BingoBoingo: ^ Police grabbed him, and as they were arresting him, Labriado yelled several times that "This is for the black people!"
shinohai: fight the power
punkman: too bad he didn't have a bulldozer
assbot: Logged on 03-08-2015 16:57:30; ascii_field: ^ somebody buy this man a small airplane.
BingoBoingo: Well we are coming up on the one year anniversary of Ferguson going up in flames.
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski heh the editor's getting belted.
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust belxjander
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user belxjander: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Dec 4 14:43:24 2013
mircea_popescu: !gettrust belxjander
assbot: belxjander is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tel belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
gribble: Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "tel" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell belxjander if you created your gribble account after january 2015 you don't get an automatic assbot account.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: llol, ddosing qntra now ?
BingoBoingo: looks like it.
BingoBoingo: Was a bit slow earlier it seemed. Just now reaching the inaccessible phase
BingoBoingo: In other news look which forum/dice derp is apparently no frozen to death in Canada
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fluffypony: inb4 KLYE'S ICE COLD CAM GIRLS
mircea_popescu: qntra comin' back on in 3..2..1..
assbot: US teen behind gun-wielding drone arrested (Wired UK) ... ( )
assbot: KLYEMAX T-Shirt Fundraiser ... ( )
asciilifeform: ~not for the stunt itself~
mircea_popescu: Malwarebytes reports (archived) that a vulnerability in Apple's latest version of OS X which was reported to exist last month on Stefan Esser's blog (archived) is now appearing on malware in the wild.
mircea_popescu: da fuck, why are they so slow ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was an escalator, not a remote 0day
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It really only appears to have been spotted in use because some braindead adware used it on sudoers
asciilifeform: hence pretty useless except as part of something else
mircea_popescu: Malwarebytes only noticed the flaw being actively exploited because a particular piece of adware had edited the sudoers file on a testing environment << lmao.
mircea_popescu: ad industry, still driving force behind 0day innovation.
asciilifeform: 'The teenage mechanical engineering student, who set up the killer machine as part of college class project, was charged with two counts of assault, interfering with a police officer and failure to obey an officer's signal, after refusing to turn himself in on an outstanding warrant and attacking the officers in question "repeatedly".'
mircea_popescu: they don't get enough credit for this.
mircea_popescu: everyone just thinks "oh, porn".
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd expect by now most of the "no go" zones openly advertise "see a cop ? kill a cop" policies.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo " The severity of the flaw though is such that when triggered it can edit any file on the affected machine including files." wtf is that mean
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BingoBoingo: missing word, will fix
BingoBoingo: two words "executable system" goes before last files
mircea_popescu: jurov no! RUNNING THE COMPILER! :D
BingoBoingo: And qntra gets DDoS resurgent when update post button is hit
mircea_popescu: <punkman> Rao's markov output. << i wonder if this is the necessary fate of all long running "idea" blogs on the internets.
mircea_popescu: obviously this is a poorly researched field, for lack of substance to study. but particularly interesting to me for the obv reasons
BingoBoingo: Well you are creating a dataset. Probably bought yourself some time with the language switch.
mircea_popescu: if that's it ima move to fucking french next.
mircea_popescu: would you still read me if i was in french ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'я русский бы выучил только за то что им разговаривал ленин' (TM) (R)
mircea_popescu: (tbh, i think i'm buying a lot of time with my willingness to engage the frivolous, but maybe i'm just reading ideology into reality)
BingoBoingo: Might read in French
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sadly my russian's not nearly good enough to actually write in it
mircea_popescu: now THAT's a way to embarass oneself...
asciilifeform: everybody laughs at the esperantists for a century, but this is kinda why they do it
mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
asciilifeform: bozo shield.
mircea_popescu: no.fucking.way.
mircea_popescu: wake me up when there's a 500 year tradition of prison culture in esperanto.
asciilifeform: it's a planetoid, not a planet.
mircea_popescu: wake me up when you can go through an entire conversation in huyesperanto
mircea_popescu: planetoids hold no atmosphere.
mircea_popescu: langage breathes.
BingoBoingo: Well the best time to start building 500 years of prison culture in Esparanto is Today. Next best time tomorrow.
asciilifeform: thing is, once big enough to have prisoners, big enough to be 95% derp by weight
mircea_popescu: actual best timne is never.
asciilifeform: like engl.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform russian is 95% derp by weight too
mircea_popescu: that's not the criteria.
mircea_popescu: the criteria is, whether the remaining 5% are entusiastically sucking the cock or not.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not as strong a tradition there - yet - of 'everybody gets to write'
mircea_popescu: that may seem like the driver of language shittyfication but it is not.
mircea_popescu: languages go to shit for two reasons. the main one is, elite being humble. the secondary one is, no nation.
mircea_popescu: languages spoken by proud elites of actual nations do greatr. whether the pride is justified or not, and irrespective of what it does to the country otherwise.
chetty: nation as a thing is rapidly turning into history
mircea_popescu: not that rapidly.
mircea_popescu: the once great french nation is going the way of all other failed experiments - austro-hungarian, united-statesian, whatever.
mircea_popescu: the chinese are doing fine, the russians are doing fine, even the fucktarded greeks or romanians are doing fine.
mircea_popescu: nationo-language wise at least.
mircea_popescu: heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that.
chetty: greeks wont last long, neither will Romania since they are in eu
mircea_popescu: i don't know the greek situation well enough to quote chapter and verse past the general impression, but as to romanian i can sign you a warrant. robotzi is strictly sufficient proof, for decades, perhaps a century.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> heck, idish died but hebrew fucking survived! fancy that. << It didn't survive. They found a corpse and built around it.
mircea_popescu: "de ce ?" (why ?) "de tot (forever). debarcader (drydock). de verde ce-i iarba (for grass is green). de treci codrii de arama (if you pass the bronze forrest (literary reference)). deranjat la ficat. (upset liver)."
mircea_popescu: that's it.,
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo what did you think survival was ?
BingoBoingo: I was under the impression survival didn't require resurection after dying on the cross
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tone poemz ?
mircea_popescu: (actually the correct quote is "Foca:De ce? Mo:De tot, debarcader, de verde, ce-i iarba, de maine incepand, de treci codrii de arama, de departe, vezi aproape, destoinic, deranjat la ficat." but anyway)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform spontaneous tone poemz by two kids making a random cartoon show out of their bedroom.
mircea_popescu: can stand up with fucking poe, and english doesn't just sprout forth poe when scraping its knees on the asphalt in a rollerblading accident
asciilifeform: ^ these are all poems. in the style indicated above each (e.g., pushkin's)
mircea_popescu: but myeah. i am not the cunt's slightest fuck worried about assrussian.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date.
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone can learn to pronounce - with flavour! - these poemz
asciilifeform: good exercise for folks who like languages but don't know ru yet
mircea_popescu: (anyway, lest the esl reader acquires the wrong impression from the logs - at issue is not that the thing was done, per se. at issue is HOW the thing is done. which is to say : shockingly unexpected, which requires a) a large body of work against which to expect pre-existend and b) a language strong enough to shock against that. these are plain impossible requisites in "reasonable" languages, and they can't be met by p
mircea_popescu: eople who stick together for "reasonable" reasons.)
asciilifeform: see also orlov re: english being a technical pidgin
asciilifeform: used by precisely the folks 'together for reasonable reasons'
mircea_popescu: this is why poetry worked back in the day the english aristrocracy imposed it on the masses, but esperanto and ebonics do not nor will ever work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo it just so happens it died like 8 times to date. << So did actual Greek, as did actual Fortran.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be clear, i won't recommend esperanto as a literary language. but will point out that it plays somewhat of the same role morse plays for 'hams', or sign language for the literate deaf. i.e. a ~shield against mainstream cultural poison~
mircea_popescu: wrong kind of shield.
asciilifeform: lets you have a little 'usenet' going. for a spell.
mircea_popescu: corporate job is idem "a shield" for usian fucktards, like working "for the govtr" was a shield that still got germans hung and soviets spat on.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the greatest mysetery of life is that there are shields you want and shields you do not want.
asciilifeform: castle != jail
asciilifeform: (though a jail can be inside a castle, yes)
mircea_popescu: all castle contains a jail.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter versailles (which is how and why french died) was not a castle, but a jail.
mircea_popescu: i suppose phillipe equalite is the patron saint of dead languages.
mircea_popescu: once he appears, it's the end.
asciilifeform: some shields may cost more than they are worth. but i argue that not-having-britney-spears-in-your-language is worth ~something~ culturally
mircea_popescu: not a matter of cost.
asciilifeform: just like not having had tumblr pheminism in a language yet, is a great cultural asset
mircea_popescu: some shields are simply not worth having. period. for any cost. they mostly cost "0" anyway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so.
mircea_popescu: tumblr pheminism is a great strengthener. for a live one.
asciilifeform: recall the old thread about north kr?
mircea_popescu: bout 12 of em,...
asciilifeform: the world's only nation without mcdonalds
asciilifeform: and this may almost make up for everything else
asciilifeform: they will eat own shoes, yes. but not mcd
mircea_popescu: i do not see this.
asciilifeform: like a nature preserve
asciilifeform: see the point of those ?
mircea_popescu: nature preserves are for dead animals.
mircea_popescu: and no i do not.
mircea_popescu: let them die.
asciilifeform: north kr (at least as seen from my distant perch) is a backup copy
asciilifeform: of civilization prior to mcd.
mircea_popescu: hahaha no.
mircea_popescu: not unless you imagine the stale sandwich 3 months in your fridge is a "backup copy" of a sandwich
mircea_popescu: tell you what - if we ever lose sandwiching, ima reinvent it
mircea_popescu: and iom not using your pile of dog vomit.
asciilifeform: and prior to 'worth of individual' and other crocks of shit which have spilled since- everywhere
asciilifeform: it is an old, worm-eaten backup, yes
asciilifeform: but somewhere in it could be a usable kB or two.
mircea_popescu: you can't backup live things.
mircea_popescu: you know what ? there's a usable kb or two on github too
mircea_popescu: go. use.
asciilifeform: it's a culture without reddit and 'worth of indiviiiiidualz'
asciilifeform: gotta be worth something.
mircea_popescu: no, it is not.
mircea_popescu: it is a culture with a fucktarded, buggy, slow implementation of these
mircea_popescu: done by hand out of rice husks.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather see the best in all fields, including poisons.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes
mircea_popescu: what ELSE ?
asciilifeform: and on else
mircea_popescu: for them reddit IS the west, much like for yours truly, outlet store catalogues was
mircea_popescu: i was 10 at the time, but still.
asciilifeform: for me it was... the house in 'tom & jerry' !
asciilifeform: (among others)
mircea_popescu: same idea i guess.
chetty: I wonder if being on the internet so much only makes you guys now see the 'west' as reddit and there just might be actual civilization out there if you get off the computers.
asciilifeform: chetty: there sure is! it lives in the library.
asciilifeform: and smells of mildew and horse glue
asciilifeform: because stopped happenening around 1960 or so
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but ~i~ still visit it.
mircea_popescu: chetty you'll probably get asked what asciilifeform got asked yesterday re "industry".
chetty: funny, I recall life before I lived on the computer, and it wasn't that long ago.
mircea_popescu: there still is this civilisation ? where ?
mircea_popescu: retirement homes, maybe. while that lasts.
asciilifeform: thing is, if something is alive inside an impenetrable bubble, it is not alive.
asciilifeform: the 'real programmerz' are not in such a bubble, in that you are interacting with them every time you flip the light switch or turn on the tap, or get into a '747'
mircea_popescu: cop out of major degree.
mircea_popescu: ~I~ am not in a bubble, because i actually take untold hours each quarter to talk here.
asciilifeform: or run therealbitcoin, etc
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, everyone else in fucking finance pretty much is
mircea_popescu: some, the brighter ones, are sort-of trying, twitter, what have you. maybe it works, who knows.
mircea_popescu: and if you wish you can say the same re programmers, and i'll buy it
mircea_popescu: but it also illustrates just how strained the melted cheese is
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they aren't - as far as i can tell - talking
asciilifeform: 'spartan speaks with his sword
mircea_popescu: risky argument.
asciilifeform: because talking with the 'fresh grads' (much less the public at large) is increasingly a pearls/swine proposition
mircea_popescu: spartan may well speak with his sword, but this does not promise an easy translation.
asciilifeform: and this is felt, in the gut, by just about everyone
mircea_popescu: for one thing, computing is language.
mircea_popescu: so let them wot.
asciilifeform: they wot
asciilifeform: it just doesn't include anybody under 50
asciilifeform: analogue wot.
mircea_popescu: understand
mircea_popescu: i made this point, vaguely, when we were discussing our own survival, in the form of "lordship lists" etc. but it stands - if you have a systematic closure you're in a bubble.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: wat
mircea_popescu: "nobody under 50" means bubble.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cake
asciilifeform: it means 'that's it, we're done'
chetty: hahahaha the old dont trust anyone over 30 has morphed into don't talk to anyone under 50
mircea_popescu: so it does.
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asciilifeform: nobody has yet invented the machine for turning mental 'bonsai kitten' into a full-grown animal.
asciilifeform: folks who grew up with javascript in microshit exploder as 'programming' - are lost.
asciilifeform: quite likely - permanently.
asciilifeform: ditto folks who grew up with 'climatocalypse' and 'string theory' as 'physics'
asciilifeform: they are also write-offs.
asciilifeform: like the sicilian doctors circa 1200 from mircea_popescu's article
asciilifeform: not 1 in 1000 is salvageable.
asciilifeform: modern 'west' works the way it works by narrowing the victim's horizon in such a way that from the day he is born, sees entire world only through own arsehole
asciilifeform: knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ?
asciilifeform: i can already hear, mircea_popescu will say, 'with your cock'
asciilifeform: to which i answer 'go to the harem and come back with why tx is not deallocated when mapTransactions is emptied'
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punkman: from my spam folder: "Get paid like Seinfeld‏"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43161 @ 0.00051087 = 22.0497 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "i know hoiw to make sitcom successful in big way (like seinfeld) so please send me some pics of you" ?
punkman: nah, usual "make money while you sleep" fare
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform long known, that machine. it consists of a belt and, as mo says, "totu-i din incheietura, ma, degeaba tot..."
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> knowing this, how to talk to 'under 30' ? << i have an easy enough time, prequals : nude, nice tits, better ass, on knees.
mircea_popescu: works wunderbar.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
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jurov: and that woman sure knew how to deallocate after, i spose
mircea_popescu: lol actually you should see hanbot these days, running containers and whatnot. you lot have ruined her.
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mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00050531 = 2.375 BTC [-]
assbot: #Eulora log for Tuesday, 2015-08-04 ... ( )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..)
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:03:01; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> to which i answer << and to wich is answer, if memory serves you were brought by a woman!
decimation: ascii_field: did you know that openssl has a pure c implementation?
ascii_field: reimplementation ?
ascii_field: (in what sense would this be 'openssl' ?)
ascii_field: or you mean the original? well no shit, c
decimation: remember how they have that 'we can load object code' functionality?
ascii_field: big phat news
ascii_field brainfarted, thought 'boost' for some reason
decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
decimation: nevermind the fips shit, they ship a pure c implementatin for cross-platform stuff
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 17:04:24; decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
ascii_field: possibly mircea_popescu was retching at the use of intel 'aes accelerator' instruction
mircea_popescu: not retching. simply not an option.
ascii_field: no shit
mircea_popescu: do that, mgith as well "store your private keys with indacloud"
ascii_field: fwiw these don't even execute on my iron
mircea_popescu: same cloud the brits store the islanders to create that .io in the firsat place.
jurov: rly amd does not support? even via does
ascii_field: jurov: not ~decade-old amd
jurov: now i'm curious what alf thinks of via
mircea_popescu: well if decade old, not intel even
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assbot: Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. is dead! : Bitcoin ... ( )
assbot: Anduckk comments on Satoshi's coins have NOT moved. is dead! ... ( )
mod6: <+ascii_field> << please see last night's log! (spoiler: jettison does't actually free mem..) << will review, thx.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 16:34:27; mod6: asciilifeform: thanks for your Mempool Jettison submission
assbot: c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( )
ascii_field: with extra lulzy part, that is catastrophically braindamaged and will segfault, guaranteed
assbot: c++ - Why is memory still accessible after std::map::clear() is called? - Stack Overflow ... ( )
ascii_field: (iterators are invalidated by deleting element)
trinque: hm wrong Anduck, nvm
diametric: !up ascii_field
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17908 @ 0.00050374 = 9.021 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "A blockchain explorer has ONE JOB: to show its users valid blocks and transactions. does not do this. It's worse than worthless; it's deceptive."
mircea_popescu: i agree. bc.i is a pile of useless css.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of what "venture capital" it has wasted to date.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29435 @ 0.00051228 = 15.079 BTC [+] {4}
ascii_field: the whole notion of ten thousand people hanging off the teat of ~one~ node is braindamaged
mircea_popescu: they weren;t supposed to run one node
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it turns out they lied,
mircea_popescu: and so forth.
ascii_field: all the turdation nodez may as well be one.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between these two situations.
mircea_popescu: anyway. piuk can go dangle, i have very little respect left for his competence
mircea_popescu: technically, intellectual or otherwise
assbot: Is Extended Random A Malicious NSA Plot? — Quarrelsome ... ( )
ascii_field: finally, names ^^
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ^
ascii_field: 'The U.S. Government has these special requirements that you wouldn’t understand. Since they’re a government, they needn’t explain themselves, and we’re not going to explain either.'
mod6: !up ascii_field
punkman: "GnuTLS had support for OpaquePRF. Someone should ask Simon Josefsson why. OpaquePRF was very simple, so maybe he wrote it for sport."
mircea_popescu: fucking backwards
mircea_popescu: *I* don't need to explain myself.
mircea_popescu: governments - do.
mircea_popescu: they're the first ones that do.
mircea_popescu: and wtf name is "Clyde Frog"
assbot: Urban Dictionary: Clyde Frog ... ( )
punkman: "If I call NSA “Clyde Frog” long enough, eventually other people will too. Someone has to start the meme! "
mircea_popescu: bullshit.
mircea_popescu: and ftr, the nist ec crapolade was ALWAYS regarded as suspiciouys at best "by people in the business"
mircea_popescu: not "since snowden"
ascii_field: the question of 'what prng to use' has never differed from the question of what kind of animal's shit to smear in wounds
ascii_field: yes, medieval doctors may have debated, horse vs cow
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don;t know who this guy is and don't care what he [thinks he] may have to say on the topic.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: looks to me like he's trying to unearth names/faces
ascii_field: how well - can't say
assbot: How to make money on the Internet while pretending you know what you're talking about and accumulating a legion of mindless followers - for fun and profit! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: ascii_field he is starting in the wrong place and therefore may never succeed.
ascii_field does not know where 'right place' is, so won't comment
mircea_popescu: let me formalize this for reader's benefit.
mircea_popescu: 1. take a complex situation C about which propositions may be formed Pi which are decidably correct or false through a T(Px) function.
mircea_popescu: 2. take a list L of actors Lj , who decide (D) on which P to rely, and are scored by function S(Lx), according to the impact of their reliance on false P (which is uncomputable at all points before running S)
mircea_popescu: 3. create a set S of twobitidiots Sk, who put forth statements Q about various P, so that the actual T(Q(Px)) is normally distributed over the list S.
mircea_popescu: in this model, the fact that Sy displays any score on the basis of his past emitted Q is no proof of anything.
mircea_popescu: in particular no trust or crediblity may attach to that record, for the simple reason that THAT IS HIS FUCKING JOB.
ascii_field: 'stopped clock'
mircea_popescu: the entire list S exists so that "credible" S's can appear so that selected Ls can be fucked over.
ascii_field: like our german ?
mircea_popescu: which one ?
mircea_popescu: in any case : i am not valuing nor even reading "opinions" of anon folk ie Qs.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'phuctor debunked' german
mircea_popescu: specifically because if one of these is not open to challenge, he is ipso definition an S. and anons are ipso definitio not open to challenges
mircea_popescu: ascii_field like the whole swathe of "bitcoin experts", and also like "cryptography experts" of the ilk of some nobody in particular running ""
mircea_popescu: anyway. this argument is both too complex to be readily "intuited" by the children and also its results are deeply inconvenient to their wants and expectations (mostly of playing the spy and generalsly speaking "mattering" in their own head), and so i don't expect the S process to go away. it's prolly going to be productive enough to become a mode of "culture" on the interwebs.
mircea_popescu: at the very margin, this discussion reduces to the discussion of al schwartz' lack of access to measuring processes, if you recall it.
mircea_popescu: because yes, if science were "open to all comers" in this sense, it'd just get ddos'd into the shit by S's.
ascii_field: see also the maths profs shredding unsolicited fermat 'proofs' unread
ascii_field: (also in same thread iirc)
mircea_popescu: anyway. makes for great tumblr stars, goes splendid for an ama, can prolly retire to doing voice-overs for "did you know" factoid tv/nature show.
mircea_popescu: so it's a living, best of luck.
mircea_popescu: but derived from it, a decent pseudo-AI project would be to make a long list of propositions, sort them in a thousand or so lists (ie blogs) and "publish" "articles".
mircea_popescu: probably can live off the subscriptions.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the one twist is, as far as i can tell, most of these 'plowing flies' disinfo agents are... unpaid
mircea_popescu: which is why i propose to do the job with a computer. it's plowing, there's no reason to pay for it.
mircea_popescu: let the tractor plow.
ascii_field: iirc already proposed in the mircea_popescu article re: reddit spam
mircea_popescu: lower lever there, but yeah.
ascii_field: also alan sokal
mircea_popescu: imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand
ascii_field: o & y don't really belong in the picture
ascii_field: (not that they are honest people, necessarily - but not shannonizers)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".
mircea_popescu: literally.
ascii_field: wai when
mircea_popescu: when we discussed the "inflation in romania" factual error in one of his articles.
ascii_field: link ?
mircea_popescu: and i also challenged yarvin, who... kept silent.
mircea_popescu: which i color to mean the above.
ascii_field: he's been silent entirely
ascii_field: for some years now
mircea_popescu goes to dig the link up
ascii_field: they started paying yarvin to shut the fuck up
ascii_field: recall ?
decimation: it didn't help
ascii_field: 'helped' in the basic sense of 'no more mold buggered'
decimation: specifically I'm thinking of him being booted from that conference
decimation: where he was gonna talk about urbit
ascii_field: he probably got a stern talk about that
ascii_field: 'you promised, no more sedition, recall?'
decimation: yeah but his blog was already dead for at least a year or two
mircea_popescu: holy shit i confused one blogspot for another!
decimation: 'no more past either'?
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:57:45; mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, is formally incorrect on the listing of romania
mircea_popescu: not orlov is it
mircea_popescu: dear peoiple : seriously, stop with the google blogs. you're indistinct.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, i have to strike the foregoing. i never challenged orlov.
ascii_field: they keep blogs in public toilets, yes
ascii_field: for similar reason as to why mircea_popescu doesn't want to buy his isp trunk line
decimation: in yarvin's case I always thought it was attaching irony to
decimation: but also because poor/cheap/google is 'free'
ascii_field: free timewise
ascii_field: many folks can't be arsed to administer a box
mod6: !up ascii_field
decimation: as yarvin wrote: "An Internet server is, above all, a massive fortified castle in alien zombie territory."
ascii_field: two basic but imho entirely separate problems with mr mold - a) he wasn't entirely mentally clean of usg to begin with ( most of mircea_popescu's observations fall into (a)) b) he was approached, as early as 2010, and told 'your crackpot os will be funded and you can sleep ad libitum, but there is a price'
mircea_popescu: jurov s.qntra shares added.
assbot: Los Angeles, November 2019 - YouTube ... ( )
ascii_field will transmit s.nsa broadcast when he gets home
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i don't see anything directly wrong with that model.
ascii_field: it is my working hypothesis, at any rate
decimation: ascii_field: and if b happened it almost certainly was at the foot of peter thiel or one of his cronies
ascii_field: decimation: we more or less know it was thiel
mircea_popescu: what did he get anyway ? 20 billion ?
ascii_field: iirc is was south of 15m
mircea_popescu: if that bunch of watsap scammers got 20bn, i have no idea why anyone would take less than 10 bn a head from usg.
ascii_field: just enough to sleep ad libitum
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he took what was given
mircea_popescu: gotta keep up the prices.
mircea_popescu: i never heard of anyone sleeping as you say through "Taking what was given"
mircea_popescu: ya know ?
ascii_field: the alternative package probably involved feeding his wife and children to pirannhas
mircea_popescu: heh. if only.
decimation: nah, just let inflation eat
ascii_field: he was, if anyone recalls, freshly broke
decimation: he did beg
ascii_field: after ~8 yrs of sleep-ad-libitum
mircea_popescu: wanna bet this one won't take 4 ?
ascii_field: already 5
mircea_popescu: those 8 years were started in a much better time for usg.
mircea_popescu: o ? well then!
decimation: well, given that his project has a gigantic red target painted on the side for all amateur-political enforcers
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he's part of the annointed caste now. if the dough runs out, can dilute the shares, etc
ascii_field: more or less ad infinitum
mircea_popescu: so i take it the leaky submarine's still being worked on ?
ascii_field: i get daily crapolade in the mailbox still
ascii_field: (can't be arsed to read... for a while now)
mircea_popescu: tbh, it has all the makings of a great DoD "investment"
mircea_popescu: can't be made, most people can't figure out why.
ascii_field: missing important attributes for this
ascii_field: accessibility to flies
mircea_popescu: you did just say you get daily inbox flies ?
ascii_field: (not many flies are fluent with hindley-milner type system)
mircea_popescu: but SOME are. and if those are the ones you want...
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: same 6 or so bozos working still
decimation: he had some hire working in his closet I thought
ascii_field: he had some bloke as live-in human compiler, aha
decimation: the spirit of the thing seems right: let's bail on the internet as it is a god foresaken hellhole
decimation: the problem is that computers as-existing are in the same box
ascii_field: it was never a good candidate for dod sc4m4tr0n because included too much of mr mold's 'thinking man likes to use his brain' masturbatronic element
mircea_popescu: the dod is changing.
mircea_popescu: us army used to consist of ... soldiers. now it's mostly acneic tomboys of indeterminate gender wanting to play counterstrike
decimation: it would have been interesting as a dod project back in 1980
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( )
decimation: yeah I've read it. I even attempted to learn urbit, before much good documentation was abvailable
mircea_popescu: ascii_field << can you translate this to some sort of english i might understand ?
assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: it seems more akin to some sort of performance act than speech.
ascii_field: the bozo comment ? nope
ascii_field: it was shannonizer all the way
ascii_field: classic style btw
mircea_popescu: i guess it must be ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu ought to recognize it
ascii_field: 'we just have different goalz!!'
mircea_popescu: my usual approach to reading text of unknown origin is not so different from the pagerank algorithm, whereas the meaning of discourse nodes (words, generally) is narrowed by the other nodes in the graph until the whole thing collapses into something.
mircea_popescu: or fails in one of the well known modes.
mircea_popescu: this thing just stays paste.
ascii_field: i can't translate, but can offer a barf bag.
ascii_field offers bag to mircea_popescu
decimation: he links to a word-salad blog
decimation: "More: Understand that our teetering, broken, stringy technology stack was written by Boomers, mostly, and other people who didn't know any better. Charitably, the technology wasn't mature, though the luminaries and prophets of the era would vigorously disagree. We're inheriting it, along with the pride of a lifetime's work; rather than take it behind the barn and shoot it, let's gently put it out to pasture and ...
decimation: ... emulation. "
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is related to the "feelings driven" pseudo cultural economy.
ascii_field: philippino!
jurov: mircea_popescu: one qntra share is missing, it makes together 10601, i got 10600
jurov: or, better, tye report is wrong?
jurov: yes, it's 11220 together
jurov: derp no,it's me
jurov: nevermind
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'SYSLINUX 4.06 EDD 4.06-pre12 Copyright (C) 1994-2012 H. Peter Anvin et al' << noticed today
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:29:55; mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45042 @ 0.00051834 = 23.3471 BTC [+] {4}
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punkman: fucking ants everywhere digging holes through my walls, I think I need to call a professional
assbot: Marvel's Ant-Man - Trailer 1 - YouTube ... ( )
punkman: how the fuck do ants cut through concrete?
jurov: they don't, they fly in
jurov: or it's not actually concrete but cardboard
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00050815 = 12.1448 BTC [-] {4}
jurov: i prefer to wonder when they learn to live in symbiosis with spiders
jurov: !up afreakk
punkman: !up bad_duck
danielpbarron: << I was trying to figure out what this urbit dukedom thing was, in in so doing found this -> << I met this guy at porcfest / he was the only one there who also had his GPG fingerprint on a business card; we signed eachothers keys :D
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 18:46:36; assbot: Loper OS » Of Decaying Urbits. ... ( )
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danielpbarron: fare is a well-known fella
ascii_field: from (back in the stone age!) the 'tunes' project
danielpbarron: i got my picture with him
ascii_field: which (i learned many years later) was quite like what i want to do, except that they did not (to my knowledge) understand hardware and - it involved a few dozen people (!) who agreed on virtually nothing
assbot: TUNES OS/Language Project ... ( )
ascii_field: he sold his almost immediately after i did, iirc
ascii_field: btc fell, so he got roughly 2x
ascii_field: or no, not quite
ascii_field: i asked for fixed bag, he - auctioned
ascii_field: (and btc fell)
ascii_field: (by how much - i don't recall)
assbot: Google Groupes ... ( )
assbot: Google Groupes ... ( )
ascii_field: and l0l, they censored some of my posts
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56216 @ 0.00051709 = 29.0687 BTC [+] {5}
ascii_field: but not the quoted text!
ascii_field: go figure.
ascii_field: 'In what universe does it make cryptologic sense to keep an unchanging key around for years (decades? optimistically - centuries?) on end?' >> i said this to mr mold and i said it also to mpex !
ascii_field: and it bears repeating.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00052503 = 25.674 BTC [+] {4}
decimation: ascii_field: std::vector is enraging
assbot: Google Groupes ... ( )
decimation: there's no mechanism for "malloc" instead - only "calloc"
decimation: because apparently the c++ committee couldn't imagine a use case where you would like to allocate memory but would rather write to it yourself
danielpbarron: oh, on a somewhat related note: the reason I even met Fare was because I suspected that he was friends with one of my assassin targets (turned out to be false intel) so I struck a conversation with him to confirm or deny my suspicion
danielpbarron: (i met a LOT of people this way)
danielpbarron: i had tracked one of my targets down and found him in the main assembly space, and was prepared to follow him out (as you cannot kill someone under the roof of an offical event) but then I saw Fare walk in and I didn't want him to see me following the guy, so I walked up to him instead, and in so doing, lost my actual target :/
ascii_field: danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.
danielpbarron: well I gave him my card with my fingerprint and url to my website (that links mostly to b-a stuff)
danielpbarron: we also emailed eachother signed keys, and I told him to get in the WoT, but he hasn't replied to that
ascii_field: prolly for same reason al schwartz didn't
ascii_field: and, dollars to doughnuts, that reason is 'that place must be about bitcoin, i don't have any and how the everliving fuck would i ever get any, what am i to do there'
danielpbarron: i don't recall what I said to him, but I'm sure I explained the WoT as I did with most people I met there
ascii_field: notice the tidbit mircea_popescu spilled earlier:
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
ascii_field: if this is so, it means that ~everyone who has subscribed to mpex~ is 'early adopter'
assbot: Epson Is About to Solve the Most Annoying Problem With Inkjet Printers - Bloomberg Business ... ( )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: nubbins` had this for years
ascii_field: but more generally, inkjet is a scam from day 1
ascii_field: there is not an elixir to make it into anything other than a scam
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Sure, but now nubbinsisms are apparently being targeted at lusers
ascii_field: the printheads, for instance, are typically designed to fail rapidly
ascii_field: so they can buy printheads
ascii_field: 'but it isn't an ink cartridge! stfu and buy'
ascii_field: classic sc4mz0r switcheroo
BingoBoingo back in school when needed to print switched to "laser" after buying second black scamjet cartridge
decimation: ascii_field: < they use 1980's era inkjet cartridges to 'print circuits'
assbot: Cartesian Co ... ( )
decimation: apparently a binary system: silver nitrate and asorbic acid
decimation: shelf life: 6 months
ascii_field: ancient history
ascii_field: and works about as well as you'd expect
ascii_field: (massive impedance)
decimation: I can't imagine it would work well
decimation: most other circuit printers use silver 'nanoparticles'
ascii_field: ever make 'resistor' with pencil as a boy ?
ascii_field: precisely this
decimation: which suck even more, but have longer shelf life
ascii_field: it is gimmicky crap, all of it
decimation: yeah I would like to hear 'adult use'
ascii_field: and don't expect any.
decimation: they are 'iterating' toward a solution, you see
decimation: at any rate I"m not sure why anyone would want to 'startup' electronics hardware manufacturing - especially board-level stuff
decimation: the margins are razor-thin even if you have adult gear
decimation: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'macrofab' went in the entirely other direction (using slaves)
decimation: that seems like a much better solution actually
ascii_field: costwise
ascii_field: quality-wise - not so much
decimation: well, it depends on quality of slave - and his instructions
ascii_field: smt parts were not designed to be placed by hand
decimation: my understanding is that their 'special sauce' is that they are able to print very detailed instructions for slave to follow
decimation: but still need human to execute instructions.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 20:40:56; jurov: they don't, they fly in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51300 @ 0.00052935 = 27.1557 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 285.61, Best ask: 285.81, Bid-ask spread: 0.20000, Last trade: 285.61, 24 hour volume: 12327.26729006, 24 hour low: 281.25, 24 hour high: 285.94, 24 hour vwap: None
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15963 @ 0.0005081 = 8.1108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.000516 = 10.853 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00050177 = 20.6729 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 14:10:12; mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
jurov: "a constructed language based on predicate logic"
danielpbarron: flat clump of slag you say?
jurov: lenin, the first eulorian
danielpbarron: (a very useful ingredient)
jurov: плоский слиток шлакa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11055 @ 0.00052743 = 5.8307 BTC [+] {4}
jurov: perhaps better: сгусток шлакa
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00053309 = 8.5827 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50700 @ 0.0005168 = 26.2018 BTC [-]
assbot: Needed Her Money: Alleged Prostitute Rides On The Hood Of A Cop's Car! | New Video ... ( )
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BingoBoingo: Loosing to ISIL and the Internet
BingoBoingo: *Losing
BingoBoingo: Loosing comes later... in the ass
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12976 @ 0.00049661 = 6.444 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 284.13, vol: 6222.69687933 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 280.56, vol: 5019.50454 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 285.08, vol: 11510.87784978 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 291.84, vol: 0.51593653 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 283.61277, vol: 10554.99960000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 282.7, vol: 36.60723768 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 286.027924, vol: 32.92292037 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 283.757614044
BingoBoingo: Needs moar drama
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47900 @ 0.00050801 = 24.3337 BTC [+]
decimation: no, you see bitcoin is unusable because the btc/usd price swings wildly
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
asciilifeform: << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 00:49:46; scoopbot_revived: US DoD May Surrender Substantial IPv4 Address Territory
gribble: Current Blocks: 368449 | Current Difficulty: 5.227830484559168E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 368927 | Next Difficulty In: 478 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 37 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47150109359.0 | Estimated Percent Change: -9.80941
BingoBoingo: Seems like the most stable thing
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum << Probably not yet. This seems like a clean return to keep the fire burning. Now later...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20594 @ 0.00052819 = 10.8775 BTC [+] {3}
decimation: there are plenty of other class A blocks
decimation: the 'shortage of ipv4 addresses' is strictly imaginary
asciilifeform: all ultimately controlled by the 'international komyooonity' aka usg
decimation: not all of them, some are controlled by us corps
assbot: List of assigned /8 IPv4 address blocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
decimation: MIT has a whole class A
asciilifeform: whole list consists of direct crown subsidiaries of usg
asciilifeform: almost a literal catalogue of'em
asciilifeform: e.g., 'general electric', 'at&t'
asciilifeform: 'ford motor'
asciilifeform: 'halliburton'.
decimation: heh ham radio still has 44/8
decimation: I have a few of those
BingoBoingo thinks 2 meter band has promise. Still needs to get radio.
decimation: BingoBoingo: it's kinda like slightly less retarded CB
decimation: I find shortwave to be more interesting
decimation: but it takes years of 'reading logs' to know what's on there
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son)
BingoBoingo: Sure, but on the used market there seems to be some actually interesting rigs made for it with broad listening spectrum.
decimation: asciilifeform: it's a big deal, hams know their number is up
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son) << The part where cellular is worthless?
asciilifeform: as for shortwave, virtually nobody owns their band properly speaking - the crackpot stations lease a time slot (typically, weekly)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the part where they work as amateur stoolies for usg
asciilifeform: ratting out spectrum violators
asciilifeform: to the point where usg proper barely ever has to hunt for'em
decimation: my understanding is that the fcc doesn't give a fuck unless it interferes with broadcast radio or aircraft
asciilifeform: or licensee complains
decimation: yes, usg has been spoiled
asciilifeform: which is what usually happens
decimation: asciilifeform: they do more than just report 'pirates'
asciilifeform: they actively drive around, do the gruntwork, triangulate
assbot: Grow Light RFI ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 104159 @ 0.0005338 = 55.6001 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: yeah, because usg is too lazy to do it
decimation: who else is gonna keep people off their bands
decimation: apparently 'grow lights' are extremely terrible rfi generators
decimation: to the point that they can effectively jam shortwave for miles
decimation: hams complain to the fcc: why aren't you cracking down on noisy-ass producers?
asciilifeform: i'd be surprised if there weren't some usg collusion with the manufacturers
decimation: hehe that's possible
decimation: hams would be the last to know
asciilifeform: there is nothing intrinsically noisy re: fucking lamp
decimation: there is if you are a dumbfuck
asciilifeform: what are they using, arc lights ?
asciilifeform: it is 1870 now ?
decimation: apparently extremely shitty ballasts on florescents
asciilifeform: usg could interdict at customs. doesn't. no prizes for guessing why.
asciilifeform: poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles
assbot: Grow light electronic ballasts ... ( )
decimation: "Being anonymous and trying to fly under "the radar" is not easy when you are generating this much RF interference. The fourth item in the table was 1/2 mile away and still was easily heard on 40 meters.
decimation: (7 mhz)
decimation: yeah actually if the conditions are right you could pick that stuff up from 1000 miles away
decimation: spams the entire world
decimation: ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights
decimation: I can't imagine that these lights are installed safely
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles << I remember freshman year of undergrad being high as fuck reading about infared indentification of marijuana and not realizing till I sobered up that they were talking grow lights and not smoke.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights << Best part of spectrum for plant growth.
BingoBoingo: Then change color temperature to maximise flowering
decimation: sure, but to handle that kind of power you really should use 220v circuits
decimation: and non-shit magnetic ballasts, cost $$
BingoBoingo: Depends on scale? Maybe scale demands 660 volt or 1.3kilovolt?
decimation: well, I'm assuming most installations use several of these 1000w units
decimation: but if you are going to do it industrially, than 480v three-phase
decimation: using 208v single phase strings
BingoBoingo: Honestly by now I'd expect them to embrace the LED efficienty or build their own reactors.
decimation: I think they do make LED grow lights but then you are talking $$$$
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BingoBoingo: There's always $$$ involved in industry.
decimation: yeah but high pressure sodium is less than $500
decimation: granted, it's less efficent, but you gotta invest for the long term to make back that kind of money
BingoBoingo: Lighting really doesn't need that much time to roi.
BingoBoingo: Anywhere really
decimation: well, it appears to cost 5x up front for roughly double the efficiency
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33956 @ 0.00053373 = 18.1233 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: And then add time and a low IR signature
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, decimation: after a certain energy cost, the balance tips to 'grow it in goatfuckistan and fly in on horizon-hugging drone'
decimation: heh it still produces 2730 btu
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course
asciilifeform: or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope
asciilifeform: (e.coli don't need sunlight)
BingoBoingo: decimation: If serious though why go for apparatus designed for "grow"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope << Soon
asciilifeform: i can hardly think of any industry more idiotically hidebound than the dope folks
decimation: I suspect if were simple it would have been done already
BingoBoingo: There's already opiate shitting e. coli probably it will take one niche at a time.
asciilifeform: for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?
asciilifeform: or did they succeed in keeping this under wraps
decimation: same thing. I think they still grow poppies for us opiate industry
BingoBoingo: <decimation> I suspect if were simple it would have been done already << Why no 7nm junction consumer chips?
decimation: because it's neigh impossible to scale euv light sources?
asciilifeform: decimation: poppy is cheaper - but only when there are no armies coming at you for growing'em
asciilifeform: (cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan)
asciilifeform: the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
asciilifeform: i will not say that this is factual
asciilifeform: but i will also not say that it is an unfounded belief
decimation: I suspect that usg isn't too heartbroken over it
asciilifeform: they did help afghan restart opium
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan) << Medical poppy in India, Culinary poppy in Eastern Europe, and Recreational poppy in Afghanistan
decimation: well, what else are they gonna grow? dirt?
asciilifeform: pushing opium at the untermenschen is a long, proud anglo tradition.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin << US pretty rotten with heroin too. DEA pressure on doctors and economy will do that.
asciilifeform: u.s was rotting with it in 1910
asciilifeform: in ru it was virtually ~unknown~ until '90s
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19986 @ 0.00051451 = 10.283 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Back in 1910 US was rotting with tincures of opium. Now Zohydro is stocked to the gills in most pharmacies.
asciilifeform: the internashnal komyoooonity helped to change this.
decimation: according to wikipedia it's not legal to grow poppies for food seed/paste
asciilifeform: any more than hemp, for rope.
decimation: < jurov got me interested in the european 'poppy bread'
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 21:13:26; jurov: and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy
assbot: Makovník a orechovník - ... ( )
decimation: asciilifeform: surely in ru/ukraine they have something similar
asciilifeform: could've sworn i had this dish here
asciilifeform: in good old mordor
asciilifeform: but it was probably from an importer
decimation: yeah, you can buy poppy in safeway
decimation: poppy seeds
BingoBoingo: Most "medical" opiates come from Indian latex and EU straw. Seeds aren't an economicaly viable source of drug product.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but it was probably from an importer << ROasted seeds are happily imported en mass.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83767 @ 0.00051451 = 43.099 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: << Meanwhile no US news stories on the molds which are going to reduce North American grain yields substantially this year.
decimation: yeah it's been terribly wet in the midwest
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.0005285 = 11.5742 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
decimation: yeah makes sense. looks like usg's weather bureau is calling for a cold and wet winter for the southern half of the us
BingoBoingo: Winter doesn't really matter much in the scheme of things outside the California desert.
decimation: not as far as food productiong goes, no
decimation: florida too
BingoBoingo: Dry summers kill crops. Hot wet summers kill crops. The best a we winter does here is offers crops a marginal head start.
BingoBoingo: This year though with the water so far has been awfully bad for orchards.
BingoBoingo: Peach trees are splitting left and right.
decimation: amusingly california is still lacking water
decimation: although it looks like the colorado river will be up
BingoBoingo: They knew it was a desert fuck them
BingoBoingo: Just like the rest of Aztlan
BingoBoingo: In a month and a half it will be interesting to see if edible apples happen this year.
BingoBoingo: If the apple trees start breaking up like the peach trees when they put out fruit this year that will be a double whammy rare, takes a decade to catch up damage.
BingoBoingo: Winter 2013-2014 we got weeks of subzero weather, but no lasting damage. Summer 2012 mega-drought (by midwest standards) best peaches ever no lasting damage. This year with a bit cooler than normal summer and lots of rain... it looks like shit is going to be expensive for a while
decimation: eh, people will just get apples from new zealand
decimation: or chile
BingoBoingo: Maybe? Or perhaps they just won't get apples because economy.
BingoBoingo: !up jordandotdev
decimation: what brings you here jordandotdev?
ben_vulpes: what brings you /back/, jordandotdev?
ben_vulpes is alive, barely
jordandotdev: I don't know it was in my autojoin channels list
jordandotdev: haven't logged into irccloud in a few weeks
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: WHat ails you? Kittens? Puppies?
decimation: ragweed?
ben_vulpes: an surfeit of things to do and people to do them
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> increasingly, becoming a problem i nthe us, too. << tell me about it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25971 @ 0.0005145 = 13.3621 BTC [-] {4}
BingoBoingo: Has giant ragweed made it that far north yet?
BingoBoingo: << Moar streaming, Moar copyrastas
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BingoBoingo may lose, but would be ok with that
mircea_popescu: to lose is to win!
BingoBoingo: It really is.
mircea_popescu: << yeah, you really want "triphased" ie 380v
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 02:03:47; BingoBoingo: Depends on scale? Maybe scale demands 660 volt or 1.3kilovolt?
mircea_popescu: which, in europe, costs the asking.
mircea_popescu: in south america simply can't be had period
mircea_popescu: i imagine in the us it costs note from stalin
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you got mailz
asciilifeform: (broadcast!)
decimation: in us you must have 'note from local stalin' ie zoning board
decimation: and/or local electric monopoly
BingoBoingo waiting for mails. Doing the dance again with Uni to set up job interview. This time as customer service god. Would once again take cheapest of accomodations available for the lulz.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13031 @ 0.00050581 = 6.5912 BTC [-]
decimation: interesting europe does use 380v
decimation: weird
asciilifeform: in same places as usa - 240
mircea_popescu: yes. why weird ?
BingoBoingo: << Apparently US bullets don't kill anymore? Or false flag?
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mircea_popescu: europe uses 220 for residential, 380 optional. or otherwise you can get a 2 or 5kv industrial line.
decimation: mircea_popescu: because usa uses 480v
decimation: for industrial three-phase
mircea_popescu: i think the usa 480 is used in place of the 2kv myeah
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, I want the raw shit before it hits the transformer. I want to light my abode with an arc stretching across the room.
mircea_popescu: not os healthy.
BingoBoingo: Ozone isn't as bad as the cigarettes I already smoke
asciilifeform: ^ in the city where i wurk
decimation: us actually uses 240 for residential but it's delivered in two phases which are split at the panel. but it's common to use the full 240 for dryers and large equipment
asciilifeform: according to fishwrap, some schmuck argued with gurl. policeman busted in. he snapped, drew pistol, shot gurl, then self in the head, brainz in all directions
decimation: wait, schmuck or policeman?
asciilifeform: schmuck
mircea_popescu: i'm not entirely clear why the thiord phase is 160 rather than 110 in eu syste, but anywya
BingoBoingo can't wait till Fergusonversary
asciilifeform: possibly all the police in the county ended up at the scene. largely standing around and looking busy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lower number is generally root-mean-square
asciilifeform: the higher, peak to peak sine
asciilifeform: this is the basic confusion of voltage oddities
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to fit
mircea_popescu: but i'm too lazy to actually figure it, so.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: approx., rms ~= 0.7071 * peaktopeak
asciilifeform: e.g., rms(170) ~= 120, the u.s. traditional
decimation: yeah for example in us 3-phase 480 volt, half (phase to neutral) is 240
decimation: which is what is split off and run to house
asciilifeform: (1/sqrt(2) for the curious)
decimation: typically ac voltage is worked in rms, because it acts like dc
asciilifeform: or rather, the rms value is the one which makes any sense to use in calculation of wattage
decimation didn't take power engineering in ee school; had other things to worry about
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decimation: my understanding is that europe it is common for ee's to be forced to work in actual 'electrical trade' for a time
decimation: along side 'electricians'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is about as 'shocking' as when usg 'surrendered' the 'strategic helium reserve' to smiths's detection corp. to make neutron detectors to sell back to usg/dhs
decimation: I found it disappointing that having an ee degree counts for nothing when designing wiring for your house
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: it is a traditionally american type of graft, practiced enthusiastically and mostly openly since george washington
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: You don't understand. If Assad did this the rope would be on Ebay
decimation: asciilifeform: go try to pull an electrical permit from pg county on the basis of your degrees
asciilifeform: decimation: aha, it is a guild thing
asciilifeform: no apprenticeship, no permit
asciilifeform: go and get license to practice medicine on the basis of, whatever, nobel in biology
asciilifeform: same idea.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo cool beans
decimation: indeed.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> my understanding is that europe it is common for ee's to be forced to work in actual 'electrical trade' for a time << In hometown I once pulled permit to fuck with wiring by saying "Hey mayor Joe, sign this"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually in ro they let you do it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hey, in ru you can even get driver license for a benjie
asciilifeform: (no exams, etc)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not on front page yet, but may as well submit since no one else took this low hanging tomato
asciilifeform: almost a 'litmus' for orc lands
asciilifeform: can you get license without ever having touched a steering wheel
decimation: asciilifeform: you should try that in pg county
decimation: I bet it would work
mircea_popescu: nah, the idea is that if you get a good enough achievement, you get auto-diploma or w/e.
mircea_popescu: i got to bypass normal college entrance exams because olympiads.
decimation: us knows nothing like this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is the basic 'orc' mechanism - someone had the liberty to say 'this kid passes, because fuck all of you'
mircea_popescu: so yeah, can practice medicine on basis of nobel prize.
asciilifeform: in usa this is unthinkable
mircea_popescu: nah, it was a rule per se.
decimation: absolutely unthinkable
decimation: think of all the bureaucrats that would suddenly be powerless
asciilifeform: even ~actual~ medical degree from, e.g., ussr, is specifically not recognized by usg
mircea_popescu: which is the very poiint of it.
asciilifeform: doesn't matter how many decades of practice
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, same for pharmacists & other medical 'trades'
mircea_popescu: iirc had that too. if decades of practice, valid degree by default.
asciilifeform: (i suppose the entrails of untermenschen differ from those of aryans, hence degree doesn't count)
mircea_popescu: might have been thrown out meanwhielk tho
assbot: Leak or legit ? 11/8 ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << the deal is, the us keeps pretending like it's fighting and in exchange the cartels keep pretending like they're fighting too.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 02:22:02; asciilifeform: for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?
mircea_popescu: the idiotic non-violent behaviour of ruminants is not limited to ruminants. nobody really aims to gore the other party.
mircea_popescu: except maybe us, allegedly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my (admittedly limited) understanding is that usg play-fights with ~some~ organizations, and ~actually~ interdicts others
mircea_popescu: it's a game. who do they actually interdict, the "criminal" "biker gangs" ?
mircea_popescu: even that got negotiated away.
mircea_popescu: pencildicks wanna use the heads. because dicks frangible.
decimation: they do when the papers say embarassing things
decimation: embarassing to bureaucrats
decimation: otherwise the bureaucrats don't give a fuck
mircea_popescu: << if you can you must and all that. recall the discussion.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 02:24:30; asciilifeform: the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
asciilifeform: dope from 'favourite sons' - passes. from less-favourite - interdicted, to keep the jailatron lubed, and the high priesthood supplied with coke
mircea_popescu: heroin is really the perfect answer to the overpopulation problem.
mircea_popescu: reddit can't resist it, so...
asciilifeform: perfect answer to ~the other fella's~ 'overpopulation' yes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cloud cleanses all historicity
assbot: Logged on 04-03-2014 01:44:19; asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
mircea_popescu: everyone's.
ben_vulpes: !s unable to join
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mircea_popescu: the problem is simply this : as you get successful you get fat, and that fat is then... coming to expect.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> it's a game. who do they actually interdict, the "criminal" "biker gangs" ? << Much of this demographic is USG. Not in the informant sense, but USG peeps needed meanign in their lives.
ben_vulpes: has anyone else compiled the maxint patch and received db.log errors of "unable to join environment"?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: please post your debug.log
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i have not observed this, no
decimation: asciilifeform: did you figure out how you are gonna 'free' the data pointed to by map?
asciilifeform: got 3 (well, 3 public, 1 test platform) nodez running, with patch
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 02:36:09; BingoBoingo: I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
asciilifeform: decimation: yes
mircea_popescu: and besides, there's plenty stockpiled
asciilifeform: decimation: not ready for primetime yet
assbot: dpaste: 0W6AR1C ... ( )
decimation: in which cpp file is the allocation stuff?
asciilifeform: this is actually why only prices of ~food-grade food~ rise in usa
asciilifeform: of the recycled food - never
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Can make HCFS, but... less of it. Far less ears on the corn than I expect to see.
asciilifeform: decimation: nowhere. implicit destructor
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it stops here ?
decimation: my uni was across the river from massive hfcs plant. every day whole *trains* of hfcs tank cars would leave the station there
asciilifeform: decimation: i often watch the trains go by, where i live. often, whole train is this.
asciilifeform: prolefeed.
decimation: asciilifeform: lol no wonder 'leak'
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't even see it doing anything with strace
ben_vulpes: i'll try to nuke some state and come back with more useful information.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you mentioned an error ?
asciilifeform: where does it appear
asciilifeform: i don't see it in the paste
ben_vulpes: db.log, sir.
asciilifeform: plz post?
asciilifeform: (historically, i've found that fatal problems with db typically come from a dirty death)
assbot: dpaste: 2W61D9D ... ( )
asciilifeform: which is why bitcoin has to be prevented from crashing, at more or less any cost
ben_vulpes: myes, i agree.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ~which~ patch did you apply ?
ben_vulpes: however the build i made on 7-15 with the dumpblock patch boots from the same datadir.
ben_vulpes: maxint_locks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform did you check this sig ?
mircea_popescu: gpg: Signature made Wed 05 Aug 2015 12:13:13 AM ART using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
mircea_popescu: gpg: WARNING: signature digest conflict in message
mircea_popescu: gpg: Can't check signature: general error
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: hash of plaintext?
mircea_popescu: 65865b6fdb76424c2535cf7a5f203fc88a541927e3e113db5c26a82e8a0561a8ca428ebe6611b1122f5ebc88c6bf3a3bcf1306ecfb1f4b4af29200967de43fc1
asciilifeform: sha512?
ben_vulpes: the first, asciilifeform
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: does not match mine!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no nm, false alarm.
mircea_popescu: the hash:sha512 line got mangled.
asciilifeform: what a downer
asciilifeform: was hoping, glass cannon fired.
decimation: asciilifeform: so the basic problem with the map is that it never goes out of scope?
asciilifeform: decimation: the point is that .clear() doesn't invoke the destructors
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: did you find a reason why maxint wouldn't work, or is the second patch just using mircea_popescu's lock values for 'myzteeri0us reezuns'?
asciilifeform: this is apparently well-known to habitual users of 'boost'
decimation: ah, this is a feature of 'boost'?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: go get the first (not 'CORRECTED') version of the patch
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it uses maxint
mircea_popescu: sorry but that
asciilifeform: and see what it does on your box.
ben_vulpes: that's the one i'm using!
asciilifeform: ahahahahaha
asciilifeform: that's why yer node is dead
asciilifeform: guessed as much.
ben_vulpes: so i am to expect that patches arriving in the ML aren't even tested now?
asciilifeform: it was tested!
asciilifeform: and correction was posted minutes later
asciilifeform: recall, flagship nodes were wedged
asciilifeform: was a very rushed thing.
ben_vulpes: "here's a fix"
ben_vulpes: "does it work?"
ben_vulpes: "let me see"
asciilifeform: see logz
asciilifeform: srsly, ben_vulpes managed to install the uncorrected patch in the minutes between it and the new one ??
ben_vulpes: plz for to slightly more detail in patchdescs.
decimation: oh I thought this was all about the stl map, not boost unordered map
asciilifeform: did not read logz?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he still has a point. a) we're careening dangerously towards -dev levels and b) people can't fucking follow wtf is on that list.
asciilifeform: just 'here's a patch, i'd better eat it'
ben_vulpes: started at ml, canonical information repository.
ben_vulpes: second patch contained a link to mp's "dis wat i do, yo"
ben_vulpes: so ofc i /try/ first patch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he does have a point. and normally i include some 'work of literature' with these
asciilifeform: but world was on fire.
mircea_popescu: you know world is on fire to that degree pretty much weekly.
ben_vulpes: not even a note in correction about "lol sry first patch doesn't work"
asciilifeform: eh no. my nodez ran from ignition until wedge day
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> was hoping, glass cannon fired. << Might never fire
mircea_popescu: so you're new.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if there is every any symptom of folks reading the ml but not #b-a, it might be worth considering to use the ml as something other than a file dumping ground for #b-a
ben_vulpes: here's your indication!
asciilifeform: at any rate, ben_vulpes is invited to fill in the gap and write literature for this piece
asciilifeform: i gotta eat. brb
ben_vulpes: not that i'm not infinitely indebted to you for unwedging my coracle but a hint of context'd be useful.
mircea_popescu: the ml process needs some reviewing. it's sort of grown organically to a point where it's troublematic.
ben_vulpes: say it again.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, most everyone but us has a stable and a testing list.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate the heroism of "fuck you, it's all stable". but then that comes at a cost.
mircea_popescu: the more common cop out is "fuck you, it's all testing".
mircea_popescu: that stance may come with a cost to the ego.
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