gregorynyssa1: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-17#1117609 << The American establishment does not teach tabula rasa. That is a common misconception.
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-01-17 00:01:24 svw: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-16#1117495 | regime policy is that race doesn't exist and all humans are created equal, so yes they can just say the opposite of directly observable reality
gregorynyssa1: Left Liberals promote the formation of ethnic enclaves.
gregorynyssa1: They encourage adopted children to research and pay respects to their genetic parents.
gregorynyssa1: They are opposed to aboriginal children being taken out of their environment and given modern education.
gregorynyssa1: They have no problem with rhetoric saying that people inherited their parents' personalities (or even intelligence).
gregorynyssa1: They support the idea that each ethnic/racial minority-group has a common will (in the vein of Rousseau).
gregorynyssa1: They support ethnic/racial Separatist movements in other countries.
gregorynyssa1: They blame the British and other colonials for having drawn national boundaries in Africa and the Middle East which were not faithful to ethnic lines.
gregorynyssa1: They are against race-blind education. They want the education-system to make children self-conscious of their racial features.
gregorynyssa1: None of these things is compatible with either tabula rasa (an 18th century concept) or Platonic mind/body duality.
gregorynyssa1: From what I have read, over in France real efforts were made to implement tabula rasa, but that is not the American position.
gregorynyssa1: The American, Left Liberal position is better understood as being pro-enclave.
gregorynyssa1: As explained by Curtis Yarvin, they want to build up racial/ethnic enclaves in order to serve as "vote banks" for the Democratic Party.
gregorynyssa1: Their ideas regarding race/ethnicity are downstream from the mechanics of vote-banking.
gregorynyssa1: Moreover, as explained by Carroll Quigley, the Democratic Party was always the party of enclaves.
gregorynyssa1: Their electoral strategy at the local level is to gain the support of enclave-leaders, who will get the entire enclave to vote for them.
gregorynyssa1: In contrast, the Republican Party has traditionally marketed itself to individual voters.
gregorynyssa1: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-01-25#1117700 << Was the 0xFA version of Pest ever officially released? It appears still to be at the drafting stage.
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-01-25 13:26:06 asciilifeform: adlai: read it and see
gregorynyssa1: With regard to both the matter of the multi-ethnic condition of America and the foregoing discussion of
gregorynyssa1: the malfeasance of elites, what we need is not more Race Realism or Class Realism, but a return to classical morality.
gregorynyssa1: That is, the discussion of the sinfulness and non-sinfulness of particular actions and categories of actions.
gregorynyssa1: Sin is a property of particular acts. The present nation needs catechesis more than ever. There needs to be a catechism for people to read and study.
gregorynyssa1: The Christian community refuses to provide it.
gregorynyssa1: I am neither "conservative" nor "liberal." Both sides believe in the existence of Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and Narcissists.
gregorynyssa1: Nowadays nearly all Christians in the nation believe in the existence of Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and Narcissists.
gregorynyssa1: You will offend them more by denying the existence of Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and Narcissists than by
gregorynyssa1: denying the existence of God.
gregorynyssa1: The recent movement among younger Americans to restore Christianity, called Operation Reconquista, is just more of the same.
gregorynyssa1: If this is the essence of "Christianity," then I am a follower of Sol Invictus.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-08#1117846 << elaborate please. i kind of have some idea, but i don't remember this being discussed in logs, nor have i seen it anywhere really
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-08 04:31:22 gregorynyssa1: I am neither "conservative" nor "liberal." Both sides believe in the existence of Psychopaths, Sociopaths, and Narcissists.
phf: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/asciilifeform/2026-02-08#1117850 << christianity over its existence went through a variety of phases, that are e.g. reflected in iconography and apocrypha. from secret society (signs on doors to indicate where believers met in secret), to joyous and celebratory (early christianity was very exhuberant), to strict and patriarchal (when it was put in the service of state), to fierce and militant (deus vult!)
dulapbot: Logged on 2026-02-08 04:38:34 gregorynyssa1: The recent movement among younger Americans to restore Christianity, called Operation Reconquista, is just more of the same.
phf: and then gutenberg gave peasants the ability to read the bible, and protestants in the attempt to bring back early christianity created something new entirely, the fire and brimstone literalist movement, stripped of either the depth of the exegesis or the whimsy of the apocrypha, reinterpreted by dullards and prudes, tradition that mostly continued to this day
phf: i mean protestants almost completely stripped christianity of transcendental and rapturous, outside of handful codified vaudeville acts, like speaking in tongues. where's traditionally exegesis provided path to transcendental for the thinking men, while christian art and architecture served same purpose for everyone. apocrypha gave you a shared mythology, a kind of marvel universe in which you actively lived and participated
phf: lacking all that, you don't really have much choice. everybody wants to retvrn but it ends up being just a return to the church of your parents, that many left for very good reasons. it's shallow, hypocritical, deservedly lampooned (king of the hill), or else it's an attempt to adopt somebody else's tradition on the most shallow grounds. like you know going eastern orthodox without ever reading gogol's "Evenings on a Farm Near Dikanka"
phf: as a child, basically just protestantism with cool beards and robes
phf: that is to say that christianity as it is practiced is fake and gay. it could easily compete with sovl invictus in terms of weird, transcendental, virile, whateve; you have gnosticism, hesychasm, knights templar, crusades, beowulf, arthurian myths, tolkien, eastern european literature and folklore, etc. etc. but all actual return is just a return to the fake and gay.