mircea_popescu: ah did we ? kthen
mircea_popescu: incidentally, do we agree that o'reilly pushing esr idiocy ("bazaar") is responsible for 2001 bubble in the same way aol is responsible for 1993 and lehman for 2007 ?
mircea_popescu: now THAT is always & guaranteed "certain degree of believe not what your eyes show you but what the book tells you"
asciilifeform: prolly doomed to become a caste ( in the model of the hindu shit-shoveling-with-bare-hands folx ) , as observed by neal stephenson and others.
asciilifeform: the point re how a build script taking up moar bytes than a ~bloated~ os took up in 1980s, does not require a genius, to make
phf: well, the bar is set very low
mircea_popescu: kinda same with p-h kamp (and all the rest of them at that) : hurr durr design, hurr durr thought provoking, herp-derp scripted os-reinstall. nigga... are you a priest or aren't you ?
mircea_popescu: the priest, very calmly, "eh, you can fuck your germans ; had i not opened my door you'd have missed him."
mircea_popescu: much to his shock and horror, the rearview mirror shows brains and guts scattered everywhere
mircea_popescu: then there's a pedestrian, and the guy, wanting to put a little meat behind his joke, sorta drives the car towards him and steers away at the last minute
mircea_popescu: priest wants to know what is that thing on the hood ? and guy explains slyly that "well, this is a german car, you know, they're a warlike people. so you aim pedestrians with that and well..."
mircea_popescu: you know the story ?
mircea_popescu: whenever i read stuff these people (1990s era graybeards) have to say i always get a feeling of that mercedes-riding-priest.
mircea_popescu: phf what scares me most is what the man who seems to appreciate f p brooks also thinks the "tricks of the trade" are, to verbatim, "test-restoring backups, scripting operating-system installs, version control, etc".
mircea_popescu: alright then that clears that.
phf: https://web.archive.org/web/20030424100429/http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/cathedral-bazaar/cathedral-bazaar/
phf: well, the book was published in 99!
mircea_popescu: if you strike the parens he still says "when book"
phf: i wonder if that bit was added by the editors
mircea_popescu: my first thought, except he says the year, 2001.
phf: mircea_popescu: it's also possible that he's referring to the original publication of esr's essay, that predated the book by couple of years
mircea_popescu: phf but how could it have been published in 2012 if the author thinks it was written in 2014 ?
asciilifeform: in '90s microshit rode the proverbial zundapp-with-mg-sidecar around the killing field, finishing off the wounded.
phf: asciilifeform: "present as just happened" was unintentional, but otherwise that sounds about right, 2012 publication, hackernews thread is from roughly the same time
mircea_popescu: and similarily in the 90s.
asciilifeform: hard to describe the contest as any kind of actual contest after the official usg, err, ibm, blessing of microshit
mircea_popescu: architecturally what's the multics / unics connection ? that both had a shell ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: multics, at least mythologically, was the Officially Blessed Liquishit against which t & r pushed back , initially in their spare time
mircea_popescu: anyway, i dun personally see the link between unix and multics beyond "well, thompson and ritchie!!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to make the matchbox 'computer' wholly unixlike, it ought to occasionally fail to open
a111: Logged on 2016-01-21 19:50 asciilifeform: when you push it, the word правильно (CORRECT)
mircea_popescu: people such as here present will claim that bolix or something like that worked, but i have my reservations. and in any case lispm wasn't "unix", though cathedral alright.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 20:42 jurov: What does the "beautiful cathedral of unix" that he uses in a contrast, mean?
asciilifeform: the utter and complete lunacy of 'bazaar' was obvious in 2012. and 2001. and 12, and 1, and there's whole motherfucking biblical parable re the tower etc
mircea_popescu: but otherwise yes, the "bazaar" utter practical failure and completly irredemable theoretical idiocy is an established point.
mircea_popescu: phf i don't understand the dating scheme involved. page says august 15, 2012, text refers to 2001 as "13 years ago" (so was it 2014 ?) and you present it as an event that just happened ? which is it ?
mircea_popescu: I don't think the appeal to authority fallacy will fly here. We are all too smart for that. << bwahahaha. two smart by half, the tards.
mircea_popescu: so full excision also acceptable approach. tbh i dun recall this ever having been the problem.
mircea_popescu: also afaik the pngs etc are 100% within ~the theme~ which was not originally bundled.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 17:31 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 17:12 asciilifeform: which somehow (dun ask me) is intended to make folx swallow the crock of shit , rather than wanting to burn whole edifice down ? nfi.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745811 << quite. and it works especially well on idiots, which is to say agents devoid of examinatory capacity. the higher your subjective cost per mile "walked", the more feasible imperial rationalization is.
asciilifeform: ( granted esr tried to spin it in opposite direction, misleading the easily mislead )
asciilifeform: ' Sam Leffler's graphics/libtiff is one of the 122 packages on the road to www/firefox, yet the resulting Firefox browser does not render TIFF images. For reasons I have not tried to uncover, 10 of the 122 packages need Perl and seven need Python; one of them, devel/glib20, needs both languages for reasons I cannot even imagine.'
phf: apparently he also argues for fits in head as the only proper measure elsewhere, but i can't find the source of quote (possibly person who implied it is a log reader, and just reused the variety speak)
asciilifeform: That is the sorry reality of the bazaar Raymond praised in his book: a pile of old festering hacks, endlessly copied and pasted by a clueless generation of IT "professionals" who wouldn't recognize sound IT architecture if you hit them over the head with it.'
asciilifeform: 'This is probably also why libtool's configure probes no fewer than 26 different names for the Fortran compiler my system does not have, and then spends another 26 tests to find out if each of these nonexistent Fortran compilers supports the -g option.
a111: Logged on 2017-04-04 15:43 asciilifeform: the far bigger boojum is that ~95% of the tarballs include megabytes of autoconf liquishit.
asciilifeform: 'Needless to say, this is more than most programmers would ever want to put up with, even if they had the skill, so the input files for autoconf happen by copy and paste, often hiding behind increasingly bloated standard macros covering "standard tests" such as those mentioned earlier, which look for compatibility problems not seen in the past 20 years'
phf: phk wrote a get off my lawn rant about cathedral vs. bazaar http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2349257 which stirred up the hamsters https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4407188 favorite quote from thread “I don't think the appeal to authority fallacy will fly here. We are all too smart for that.”
asciilifeform: hashing a la fg does the basic job, of nailing the bins down along with everythingelse
phf: right, that might work, a tar xf into the same vpatch'ed structure (since you need to place those artifacts just right)
asciilifeform: ( it's a somewhat unsatisfying answer, but afaik the only general-purpose pill to date )
phf: i think someone was suggesting converting all the png's and gif's into svg, for example, and other like hacks
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 11:49 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745764 << i recall we ran into the issue of vpatch-ing binaries that hasn't been resolved. wp admin interface relies on a lot of png's and gif's that it's not clear how to stuff into a vpatch without a superfluous "make" phase
asciilifeform: which somehow (dun ask me) is intended to make folx swallow the crock of shit , rather than wanting to burn whole edifice down ? nfi.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they operate somewhat like malware obfuscators -- idea, seems, is not to make the sham impenetrable ( this is not physically possible, typically ) but to make the effort of getting to the bottom of every possible idiocy, -ev.
mircea_popescu: i guess that's why the appeal of google-ish "ai".
mircea_popescu: "oh, the sort of idiot reading this only goes 3 nodes deep, we make 4 nodes deep nonsense, 100% proof!"
mircea_popescu: nah, the amusing thing about the empire of thin air is that ~everything is "justified". it's never "here's some hot air", it's always "here's two steps of correct deductions based on the 3rd on thin air"
asciilifeform: there's also the simpler alternative, which i originally assumed they use -- simply pulling 'employability' stats out of thin air
mircea_popescu: ofcoursetheywere.
mircea_popescu: doh. how else would you have them do it ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-23 15:26 mircea_popescu: the only fucking reason, point and selling characteristic of anglo college is "making money", and there's no quantum below 1 million dollars.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the seekrit, as i understand, is that they were running a http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-23#1742441 scheme, but in fact were recruiting folx who already ~had~ 'goodjerbs'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 14:56 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745763 << my current reading of the shoemaker is that he was some combo of senility and 'tilt' (being under attack from ~all angles by the empire, and unable to do much of anything in the way of genuine push-back )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745783 << my read is that he was genuine lee kuan yew, except not nearly as intelligent (nor fortunate) ; eventually collapsed under the pressure of the pointless maggot herd wanting what it wants rather than what it needs aka "democracy".
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would standford give a dumb neet as much as a length of string "because they need it" ? let them need from their fucking mother / community college.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 14:41 asciilifeform: 'only terrorist conspiracytheorists, toxicfacts' etc.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745775 << honestly, i don't see what the secret even is. "stanford dares to elitism" ?
mircea_popescu: but the good news is you can config your blogotron to just suck out pastes and put them in blockquotes itself. tho i've not had mp-wp do this
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745772 << well, yes, as indirection layer above blog comment. nfi why one'd do that instread of just putting the material in a blockquote.
mircea_popescu: not all intelligent people find the republic. some that don't... "troll" the imbecile public, ie, sopirla.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745763 << my current reading of the shoemaker is that he was some combo of senility and 'tilt' (being under attack from ~all angles by the empire, and unable to do much of anything in the way of genuine push-back )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 10:10 mircea_popescu: "investigative" in the sense of "here's half the picture, let's hope together that a) you're not smart enough to understand the elements it's constructed out of are meaningless and b) the areas it doesn't cover are meaningful". basically, the EXACT nonsense as in "wash dc pizzeria scandal"/"#metoo" : free association game.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745762 << the pizzeria people didn't do anything that, e.g., bush's 'wmd' people didn't do. only diff is that one did it while inca emperor, and demolished a good chunk of whole continent, while other -- did it while penniless hobos, and perforated a roof in an old house.
asciilifeform: could, certainly, be a case of 'there are only so-many cheapo clip arts'. but also not a bad 'subconscious confession' of muppetry, alternatively.
asciilifeform: on right hand -- 'simon', american children's toy where coloured lights blink and kid tries to repeat the sequence
asciilifeform: their logo: https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/552874632408076290/3phOV2Az.jpeg >>>>> <<<< https://www.doyouremember.co.uk/uploads/raw-1336594143.jpg
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 10:09 mircea_popescu: ah, speaking of http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745184 : https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/banul-paralel/ (the principal, though by now kinda defunded, usg.dos tool in .ro).
asciilifeform: 'only terrorist conspiracytheorists, toxicfacts' etc.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-03 07:37 BingoBoingo: In other BAWWW https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/03/0419248/massive-financial-aid-data-breach-proves-stanford-lied-for-years-to-mbas
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745758 << will run into solid wall of unhappening, just like the climate crapola, podesta, etc
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745755 << it was a formatting issue, and he repasted with p.bvulpes -- but the unfortunate bit is that they, too, will vanish, and the comment becomes useless in <1week unless i manually archive'em
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-03#1745756 << this is the right idea, but for some inexplicable reason is castrated -- why only half-length 1U, and holds 2 boards, not 4 ?!
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2017/lets-revisit-the-google-is-irrelevant-discussion/ << Trilema - Let's revisit the Google-is-irrelevant discussion.
mircea_popescu: now i want to link to the thing in this article and... where do i link
mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-15#1739096 : it's my recollection that when i released mp-wp, the deal was somebody picks it up and genesises it. i dun recall right off who, was it you shinohai ? or ben_vulpes ?
mircea_popescu: "investigative" in the sense of "here's half the picture, let's hope together that a) you're not smart enough to understand the elements it's constructed out of are meaningless and b) the areas it doesn't cover are meaningful". basically, the EXACT nonsense as in "wash dc pizzeria scandal"/"#metoo" : free association game.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-01 22:42 mircea_popescu: in other news nobody cares about, usg.state's main asset in romania looks well headed to jail. kovesi (special "anti-corruption prosecutor") lied about meeting various politicians (as part of usg embassy-directed http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-28#1743878 scandal).
mircea_popescu: ah, speaking of http://trilema.com/2017/why-is-fighting-corruption-the-pantsuit-callsign/ & http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-01#1745184 : https://www.riseproject.ro/articol/banul-paralel/ (the principal, though by now kinda defunded, usg.dos tool in .ro).
BingoBoingo: In other BAWWW https://news.slashdot.org/story/17/12/03/0419248/massive-financial-aid-data-breach-proves-stanford-lied-for-years-to-mbas
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cool, barring any problems the transit time will be ~24 hours
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#footnote_1_54763 << Ah, this is such a reminder of the datacenter search. Particularly in Peru and SE Asia
BingoBoingo: Well, appears when the booze is preventing new memory formation you get a lot of "WTF? Why no butt patting the entertainment at work anymore"
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, imdb on lollobrigida : "She was the daughter of a furniture manufacturer, and grew up in the pictorial mountain village."
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> other team's cheerleader bus, au naturel. exactly what teh airmen meant by "tailhookers all weather attack" fliers dumped on area colleges. << An appeal of hanging out with the old drunks in recovery is that their time drinking often seems a sort of cultural cosmoline.
mircea_popescu: yeah, it was her. perfect chick for the role, basically subsistence prostitute in ww2 italy. then ended up in cinecitta.
mircea_popescu: actually, re-reading the comments i know why i wrote it. because i didn't like the implication that "so what if liberalizing drugs leads to truck drivers being forced to meth by economic pressure, fuck them, they're truck drivers". the idea being that you never know who the truck driver is.
mircea_popescu: and for that matter, why did i write the original ? i had nfi when i did what the future'd be like. SURELY it was no possible perception of value. but this is merely an indication of just how fucking valuable the whole thing is, if it builds meaning upon itself in a manner that defies imagination.
mircea_popescu: e split-second right before fight, there's not enough brain in any skull that ever passed the woman's middle to manage such ample feats. some try, but why should i take amphetamine today to compensate for having been lazy a decade ago ?
mircea_popescu: and that is what it fucking means, that opportunity loss is unevaluable. had i not written http://trilema.com/2010/daca-tot-ce-poti-face-in-viata-asta/ in 2010, i couldn't have well written http://trilema.com/2016/and-now-the-story-has-an-ending/ in 2016 ; and without that in turn the quoted piece. you can't summon these up on the spot when you need them, literally cant, just like wolf can't physically sharpen his teeth in th
a111: Logged on 2017-08-06 16:51 mircea_popescu: (this point, in either "intern can progress" or "sit in forum and access meaning" presentation, is the fundamental mechanism of both "rounders" and that "poolhall junkies" cheapo rehack of it : that the dude playing can decide the girl's future, a degree of magnitude above her own capacity. take that away -- it's not worth doing. and you sure as fuck ain't meeting the head of ny law firm socially, and play $X with him so he g
mircea_popescu: the discussion re poker, EXACTLY same thing. once the buildup went away... no further point to playing.
mircea_popescu: every gram of sweat off my brow, every keystroke magnified thousandfold by the passive value of accumulated history.
mircea_popescu: the problkem is this : your fishing today is in no way improved by your fishing yesterday.
mircea_popescu: that's the problem with "modern war", that its charming quality of yore became quite grotesque.
mircea_popescu: other team's cheerleader bus, au naturel. exactly what teh airmen meant by "tailhookers all weather attack" fliers dumped on area colleges.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman it never went. see... take say the early greek wars. those dudes did essentially a society game : the men stripped and cockwrestled on a field on a sunday. the "defeat" of the defeated was a two phase game. phase 1, where their line broke. phase 2, most important, where THEIR WOMEN spread out for THE OTHER GUYS. because fuck you loser. exactly how college football worked when it worked, you mean means you get the
diana_coman: re not really extracts - I guess it's fair to say it's not "extracts" but rather "charms out of" and that certainly makes some sense; although it's totally unclear how it went from conquering actively to charming passively
diana_coman: there was no counter-argument there; those were scum; the point was simply that this sort of scum is alive for longer than it would be if not for the warm/comfy "crowd"
mircea_popescu: (really, nobody ever wonders how come the fishermen are always the poorest demographic ? the sea is so very rich!)
mircea_popescu: bitter poverty is the only certain result.
mircea_popescu: the lido gets sanded. this is not up to venice to prevent. end of story. trying to live off civilization is exactly like trying to live off fishing, or off playing double-or-nothing at the casino.
mircea_popescu: which is why the british empire COULDNT prevent its own demise. nor the current one. nor any other "highly organized civilised crowd".
mircea_popescu: it's 100% "making the sun raise" by gesturing wildly at 5:15 am
mircea_popescu: diana_coman point isn't that it extracts, point is that it doesn't, not really. that's what i'm saying, that the whole "whose existence is only rendered possible through the high organization of civilized crowds" is really VERY vulnerable, because the high organization doesn't ACTUALLY cause or control the extraction.
asciilifeform: i'll admit that i'm not quite sure what the opposing argument, that mircea_popescu is bulldozing, exactly was
diana_coman: well, the *what* it extracts is of course much more telling of what the thing is to start with; as for the reasons there... reason was as far as I understand it "they are better than us because they defeated us", can't say it's obviously "smoke and mirror"
mircea_popescu: but... they weren't.
mircea_popescu: yes, were you living in the time of your parents, the strategy you came up with would have worked. you're not.
mircea_popescu: the one you're looking at, whatever it may be, won't turn out to be the exception, either.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nothing about the usd makes it best. no, it's dollars for the same reason "eat at mcdonalds" -- worst horse in glue factory.
mircea_popescu: in the specific sense that by the time "you figure it out" they're gone. today, everyone wants to go to college. today it's too late to go to college. everyone wants a 401k ? guess what... too late to. and so on.
mircea_popescu: there's no fundamental reason for nicaraguan working abroad to save in dollars ; there was no fundamental reason for indian to think his kid must go to school in london. smoke and mirrors, and those are terrible basis for one's life
mircea_popescu: diana_coman that the republic is the only economically stable thing -- the extraction of the smart.
mircea_popescu: (anyone remember the derpage early 2000s in the same venues that these days discuss "toxic facts" and "russian hackers" ?)
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-103.0-103.28 THEREFORE "us empire"
mircea_popescu: BECAUSE india credited london, THEREFORE the ~pretense~, idle and basless, of british empire.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman except here's the biter : the "civilized crowds" only ever survives (briefly) as an extraction engine.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:20 mircea_popescu: all of it, however wrapped, however excused, it's the same thing : we here in white man world are incapable of doing anything useful and don't wish to see why this'd make any difference.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745663 <- how was that, "perfectly insignificant and incapable individuals, whose existence is only rendered possible through the high organization of civilized crowds..."
asciilifeform: fwiw asciilifeform will submit ffa.rsa to be judged in mircea_popescu's symm cipher contest, supposing the latter is still running
mircea_popescu: now, obviously in the particular case of "make crypto bit for eulora" the problem evidently is that such an item is more complex than what worker usually workers. this is true, but also it was your idea, blocking also that out.
mircea_popescu: but you can't argue both ends. it can't be "oh, there's no jobs" and ALSO "i'm not doing the jobs". unemployment office kicks you out, and so does everyone else, for good reason.
asciilifeform: like several other folx here.
mircea_popescu: either way, low output means low value and dubious humanity. that's capitalism.
asciilifeform: possibly people shit their pants when they find that an entire field has to be burned and rebuilt
mircea_popescu: all of it, however wrapped, however excused, it's the same thing : we here in white man world are incapable of doing anything useful and don't wish to see why this'd make any difference.
mircea_popescu: the dude with fucking options and self-determinations as to who he wants to work with.
asciilifeform: the one davout dug up ?
mircea_popescu: it's all that, all the way down.
asciilifeform: the cocks thing ?
mircea_popescu: recall that schmuck with the french isp, which upon examination turned out to be 0% isp and 100% a vehicle for the inept vanities and worldviews of a few idle and overcomfortable schmucks ?
mircea_popescu: what, and write them emails ?
mircea_popescu: ima, dontcha know, follow the funnel they constructed, like everyone's got an apple concept store.
mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/these-fools-have-been-handed-a-technology-so-clever-so-disruptive-and-revolutionary-that-the-rulers-of-the-world-would-have-to-fully-unmask-themselves-as-ruthless-tyrants-in-order-to-suppress-it/#comment-123721 << this stupid bitch, can be arsed to spam trilema by hand, can NOT be arsed to read anything. everyone, including the very last hopeless african in the throes of death by innanition imagines th
mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!
mircea_popescu: so... no. white man is lazy and stupid, in whatever order. the problem's not the lack of jobs.
mircea_popescu: nobody in his line of work has EVER made a bitcoin's worth in one year no matter what they did. but does he have enough sense to go... hmmm... i'll treat this as an advance, and use it to finance my supposedly useful work coming back with deliveries worth at least 10x that, because thaty's how useful i am, and see what happens
a111: Logged on 2017-10-11 20:40 BHopkins: I had to look up the current price, and the answer is yes :)
mircea_popescu: at least when i pour it into the ground, i know what i'm doing with it as i do it.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i'd much rather pour a coupla bitcents into the ground instead of paying "hiring experts" etcetera. by very far.
jhvh1: asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 3 days, 10 hours, 32 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <RagnarDanneskjol> Everbright Bank has, by far, the lowest entry barriers for business or tourist visitors opening new accounts.
a111: Logged on 2016-06-09 22:06 asciilifeform: i discovered that mainstream finite field libs are as complicated as they are largely because they insist on growable - and, ergo, heap-allocated - nums.
asciilifeform finally did dig up the first mention of proto-ffa in l0gz : http://btcbase.org/log/2016-06-09#1479552
mircea_popescu: has it yet been A YEAR since the discussion of hiring a motherfcucking chinese office girl was tabled ?
a111: Logged on 2017-11-22 11:41 RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu I may have someone worth inviting to chan for interview in the coming days. Most of the folks I know over there are primarily oral translators, so having to look around a bit. Just got back yesterday - BJ is a real shithole but the people are adorable, lots of good duck. FYI - 'VPN AC' (Romanian) seems to be the only one working well/consistently behind the firewall (I've used many) and
mircea_popescu: the amount of jobs awaiting workers exceeds the amount of availavble workers by a factor never before seen in human history ; not even during the saudi reign 20 years ago. not even in china. nowhere.
asciilifeform can't turn up the link for some reason
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there's no difference. artists dun wanna work, ie ON TIME and TO SPEC and ON WHAT THEY'RE TOLD TO just like erryone else.
a111: Logged on 2016-12-27 22:14 mircea_popescu: course since the nsa consulting work for minigame is going to produce ada rsa, it might be an idea to have an ~ada~ tmsr crypto lib.
mircea_popescu: we have tons. starting with "fix your tits, get 0.02 btc" and from there on.
asciilifeform: i suppose the word has >1 meaning
mircea_popescu: the one thing teh republic doesn't lack is jobs.
jhvh1: mircea_popescu: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: it might actually be the best film ever made.
mircea_popescu: in other old news, http://trilema.com/2017/a-better-man-than-i/ aka la grande belezza is a fucking fabulous film.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 18:08 asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
asciilifeform: anyone naturally can cut up into whatever pieces. the issue is how is it structured on asciilifeform's desk.
mircea_popescu: nothing keeps anyone from taking source either
asciilifeform: ( btw nobody yet asked why ffa is now a standalone-built static lib, rather than as before , a set of sources to be simply dropped into other projects. answer is -- binary audit )
asciilifeform: and solely knuthian divider for the modulus op. etc.
asciilifeform: ( 'ideal mathematically-sufficient' ffa would probably include solely egyptian multiplier, for example. )
asciilifeform: but there are already plenty of haskellists writing nonsense. asciilifeform wanted an actually usable fits-in-head item.
asciilifeform: and if i were a haskellist and writing with an eye toward ~machine~ proof, rather than fits-in-head, i probably would have written one.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: you do have a point , though, an ffa that is an ideal mathematical description of every relevant bound, would look slightly different from the ffa i actually have, that has to actually run on idjit cmachine iron in something like real time.
asciilifeform: so generic -- gone. ( also shrinks the binary, a bit )
asciilifeform: the genericunit allowed a given running instance of ffa to know the actual ffawidth desired; and to have stricter checks on arguments
asciilifeform: the latter required finalization and for FZ to be a struct rather than bare array ( finalization massively bloated the binary; whereas structization massively bloated the src )
asciilifeform: now for the sad:
asciilifeform: a value of type FZBit_Index cannot be assigned a value greater than machineaddressspace/wordsize without 9,000 other things being unfathomably broken
asciilifeform: i did not do it because it adds runtime overhead ( the bounds get checked , and even in inner loops ) without preventing any kind of problem that can happen in reality
asciilifeform: diana_coman's observation would make sense for narrowing the type of FZBit_Index .
asciilifeform: Indices is the root type for ~all~ possible indices, of anything.
diana_coman: uhm; my understanding is that Indices is in essence the type for bit-level indexing; sure some values overlap but you can't have in same fz same number of words as of bits unless wordsize is 1
asciilifeform: theoretically a word count of a number equal to the number of words in machine's memory, is legal
mircea_popescu: the "think of it as heat" mental experiment imo has the great advantage of clearing the mind of all sorts of bizarro world "nsa is cool" assumptions about "electromagnetic signature", a magical property of radiation to "know who its daddy is" or somesuch
mircea_popescu: but the fox is still big.
asciilifeform: also depends on wavelength. uhf (10s of GHz) line-of-sight beams behave muchly like laser, you gotta know exactly where it is and sit down into the path through air, no bigger than train tunnel, to listen
asciilifeform: errythingdepends, i'd expect, on the relative 'sizes' of fox vs forest trees.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the general point here being that fox hunt a LOT more difficult than everyone ever expects, be it alf, pentagon, etcetera.
asciilifeform: the ho chi minh truck search iirc worked better because smaller background.
mircea_popescu: if there was something to try, it was tried.
mircea_popescu: SAR, another aspect of it.
asciilifeform: mention of 'fox hunt' thread led me to think that the iraq memory were re rf triangulation, rather than search for ir-glowing truck engines from aerial camera
mircea_popescu: but huge thermalwise.
mircea_popescu: if that is small there is no big,.
asciilifeform: not really comparable to what iirc prev thread was about, hypothetical kW sw transmitter in usa suburbia wastescape
mircea_popescu: a 12 meter rocket + the semi truck carrying it x3 + tankers + c&c + meteo etc ?
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, pentagon went in with the same expectations ; but never actually managed to land a hit)
mircea_popescu: and we're talking 100s of airborne detectors, latirn, synthetic aperture radars, the works.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 15:47 asciilifeform: incidentally, rf 'fox hunting' is at this point a traditional sport in ru, and the 'fox' is always found .
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1732934 << re this entire discussion, helpful graybeard points out that throughout the 1991 A-10s/F15s patrolled iraq trying to spot the scud TELs, but ~never managed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the bricking was never contemplated outside of something like http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/
asciilifeform: not really new , was already quite painfully there in '14
mircea_popescu: but there's definitely TWO known bugs in bitcoin now. to the ancient and oft discussed here node-miner split, we are to add this new one, pow-centralization.
asciilifeform: so what if sha2 chinese die, if fpga-chinese immediately take their place.
asciilifeform: it isn't even clear to asciilifeform that there is any such thing known as a good pow
mircea_popescu: the bricking-of-extant-asics moment edges ever closer.
mircea_popescu: this then gives incentive to those eternal "powerful groups with economic interests antithetical to competitors and consumers" from http://trilema.com/2012/in-re-hein-hettinga-et-al-v-usofa/#selection-39.349-39.463 to drive integration of PoW with the predictable result.
mircea_popescu: ditions on the matter being PoW than originally agreed upon, through d) the direct avenue of refusing to continue "non-compliant" chains.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
asciilifeform: it wouldn't, naturally, go in w_mux, but in fz_mux. can prove that if the latter has it, so does the former, elementarily
asciilifeform: this is the kind of situation for which 'precondition' item was made.
mircea_popescu: also should be a comment there, after the pragma "if you unban these careful about wswap)
asciilifeform: but. but i can think of one scenario where they are not pointers, explicitly, but can still have'em point to same place. (though i also banned it!) --- if there were an allocator pool that somehow put X and Y, conventional nonpointerolade items, in the same exact place in memory.
mircea_popescu: he has a good nose sniffing it out, but i don't believe your sicilian's "if thumbs hurt, cut arm at elbow to be sure" approach is warranted. next patch put a warning in the comments an' let 'em be.
mircea_popescu: but, it wouldn't happen if foo(4,4) nor when foo(x,y) where the VALUES of x=y=4. it'd strictly happen when foo(x,x) ie, same variable_name
asciilifeform: somebody oughta get order-of-lenin for these caught wreckerz.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think your response to apeloyee is correct actually, when you call with the same item you're fucking yourself. BUT!
a111: Logged on 2017-11-30 16:00 asciilifeform: reminds of : ''I was such a pure and terrifying Aryan that they even put me in a special detachment. Its mission was to find out how the Jews always knew what the S.S. was going to do next There was a leak somewhere, and we were out to stop it' He looked bitter and affronted, remembering it, even though he had been that leak. 'Was the detachment successful in its mission?' I said. 'I'm happy to say,' said Arpad, 'that fourteen S.S. m
asciilifeform: re the vietnamese (lol!) nsa d00d, oblig. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-30#1744668 .
mircea_popescu: let it be clear for everyone that pushing "cloud" and pushing "Hateful/prejudicial language/slurs = Kickban" and generally pushing the ustardian aggenda = death.
asciilifeform: let the cement mixer, tip.
mircea_popescu: * Topic for #linuxjournal is: Welcome to the Social Channel for Linux Journal | www.linuxjournal.com | Ops (@) are LJ Staff | Harmful commands *must* have a disclaimer or you will be banned permanently. | Hateful/prejudicial language/slurs = Kickban | http://pastebin.com/ | https://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-ceases-publication
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "linux journal" advertises "puppet" and some "in their words" about "becoming a cloud native organisation".