mircea_popescu: drives a whole class of neurotic behaviour that ultimately ensures her social marginality, economic poverty and personal dishappiness (not mere unhappiness, as the absence of happiness, but the exact constructed OPPOSITE of happiness)
a111: Logged on 2014-06-21 22:43 mircea_popescu: well yeah. but by playing hard to get you may get +10 on your average catch, but also get the guarantee you're never getting in the bed of that 0.whatever%
mircea_popescu: now, as it happens said behaviour is a terrible strategy in postmodernity (basically, http://btcbase.org/log/2014-06-21#727929 ie you'll lose out on EXACTLY the long tail SV.VC can not afford to lose) ; but the remnants of a pre-modern time manifest in the lowest forms of culture -- such as disney films ; and passive socialization.
a111: Logged on 2016-10-03 19:06 mircea_popescu: there's some biological factors to account for this, both directly (shittier metabolism ; stronger response to neurotransmitters ; the venereal 50/5 trap etc) and indirect (through the workings of sexuate reproduction women are always vandable) ; but i'm pretty sure there's also psychological factors involved.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750808 << this possibly deserves dwelling. so, as far as biology is concerned, there is a very direct problem sexual dimorphism bestows upon the female, referenced now and again in logs (eg http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-03#1551894 ) as well as the possibly related psychological issue (coy behaviour, lotta words on trilema re this).
mircea_popescu: fun fact : total land area on this planet being 510 mn sqkm ; and bitcoin cap being 21 mn, it therefore follows that the absolute maximal average price for land is a dime per square km.
mircea_popescu: 1980s style 8% is quite on the table actually.
BingoBoingo: In other news, Yellen poked US interest rates up by a quarter point before the door meets her ass.
a111: Logged on 2015-12-16 02:46 mircea_popescu: !rate TheNewDeal 2 Put a decent chunk of change into the Bitcoin Foundation back when it wasn't fashionable yet.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The paranoid one who wanted to put coins somewhere safer than he could keep them started with a t, will dig
mod6: i'd have to dig it up, i forget who the gentlemen is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, in other advantages of living in tiny spec of a country : i went for that steak i was considering yest. across from my table, laura chincilla (ex president)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 22:22 mod6: diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V. But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in. Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter. This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ? << Careful management that further attracted an especially large donation from whatshisname
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready. << fair enough. no reason to leave some of these things up to chance.
mircea_popescu: o yeah, through careful management the foundation ended up with like a quarter million dollars in its coffers or some shit ?
mod6: well, nevermind. suppose that won't work. anyway, there is some groundwork laid.
mod6: Hypothetically, one could just change that
mircea_popescu: especially on modern tech this could work fabulously well. 1. cross all the items you'd like ; 2. cross all the items you absolutely do not want. hunter centralizes this, goes and shoots. literally, "your steak in the mail by 10am"
mod6: diana_coman: there is a 'mirror' feature in my V. But there is a limitation, it has a URL to the root mirror baked in. Perhaps next release this will be fixed and can take a root mirror as a parameter. This way, you could set up your own root mirror/mirrors for eucrypt or for stan's ffa.
mircea_popescu: serious about it, they'd have such things as hunter-meat-distribution services oiled and ready.
a111: Logged on 2017-05-29 18:25 mircea_popescu: do you recall that ridiculous "bunker" with 30% dedicated to "motorcycles" and a few fish tanks "For food" ? that sort of cvasi-religious nonsense is the end result -- resources are diverted towards making a show of compliance with designs that are dysfunctional by their very nature.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 16:53 mircea_popescu: i guess if all the "exclusive gated community" schmucks weren't so schmucky thery could have a delegated hunter, get your steak in the mail by 10am.
mircea_popescu: but briefly revisiting http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750551 : that the various "survivalists" and other "prepper" "communities" all over the us are directly reducible to their weight in retards is directly evident not simply from the patent inanity of schemes like http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-29#1662898 (or for that matter 10 minutes spent on orlov's nonsense). it's much simpler shit such as : if they were EVEN VAGUELY
mircea_popescu: i swear, some of these things look perfectly apt for antisubmarine warfare.
mod6: Hm. Well, depends on which project I suppose. For trb, one can send such signatures of pre-existing vpatches to the ML, whereby I can scoop them up and place them in the Foundation's repository as needed.
diana_coman: mod6, more FFA tests sounds good to me; slightly related: is there any protocol/preferred approach for publishing signatures to someone else's patches?
mod6: I also want to spend a few minutes here soon and adapt my FFA unit tests to the vpatches that stan has released thus far.
mod6: ah, good. busy. i need to dig into stan's ch2 still. been tinkering around with the wallet.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it. << In highschool we had "forestry" class that consisted of maintaining walkable path near edge of school grounds. Got to fell smaller weedy trees with reciprocating saw (i.e. sharp fucksaw)
jhvh1: asciilifeform: jurov was last seen in #trilema 1 week, 2 days, 10 hours, 33 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <jurov> mod6: ben_vulpes: have you decided about forked coins on foundation's address? should i report them, or sell, or they don't exist?
asciilifeform: however the champion's crown for (possibly) ultimate hilarious false-cognate lang sibling to ru is not ro
asciilifeform: a вредник is, approx, a pest ( as in annoying kid brother )
asciilifeform: that one is no accident, is named for the canonical 1950s-70s su chainsaw
diana_coman: now I wonder whether asciilifeform knows what "drujba" means in Romanian, lol
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ? << What does any idle escapism promise?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running. << Since arriving I have been primarily drinking faucet water and coffees with occasial forays into the local bottled water and juices.
asciilifeform: ( then of course occasional archaeologist turns up item that vaguely looks like wire, or bolt head, the ufologists swarm, like flies )
asciilifeform: last i heard 'the ancient ukrs had wireless : archaeologists, see, found 0 wires !!'
mircea_popescu: you should see the ukrainian position.
asciilifeform recalls a metal shaving thermite thread from yr or 2 ago
mircea_popescu: ro thinks it's from "slavonian" which makes 0 fucking sense. what, old church books on lathe ?
mircea_popescu: the action is "a strunji" ; the g to j morph is very indicative of it having been imported from dalmatia
asciilifeform: hm what's the etymology
mircea_popescu: anyway, tbh /me regards the lathe as the definitive item. for the obvious reason : lathe can build milling machine way the fuck easier than the other way around
asciilifeform: it's a lathe, tho, not a holography rig , stiffness moar important than dampening
ben_vulpes: graphite flakes in the medium damp vibrations
ben_vulpes: proper lathe has /cast iron/ pedestal
mircea_popescu: o look, you can actually buy the modern version. same maker. Arad SN 401, 2,5 tons, 7.5kW, made 1987.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform's little lathe has brass, interestingly, bed. 1970s item, even then ground rails were costly )
asciilifeform: sad tabletop lathes typically lack gearing, period
mircea_popescu: saw the ancient marble ones ? for jewelrywork ?
asciilifeform: well noshit, proper lathe has steel pedestal
asciilifeform: dat's a lathe mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: phunphakt : in american schools, there are power tools. but children are not permitted near them. they may only draw a cut, and beg teacher to make it.
mircea_popescu: "practical studies" or something. the girls knitted.
asciilifeform: re tools, asciilifeform was given saws, nails, hammers, then wires, diodes, etc long before comp
mircea_popescu: and with a well compressed, angry item like the z80, there's plenty of such "accidentally caught glimpse of santa naked" events
mircea_popescu: because evidently there's secrets.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, it's this type of thing that makes it good. kid's eternal interest, once he gets out of learning his mom's language, is figuring out THE SECRET of dad's tools.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:30 mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1751018 << they all did this, because 'randomized' memory on boot ( no addr lines were wasted making video switchable on/off , so you could see the rubbish when power came up )
asciilifeform: but to know what makes the program -- oughta.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody said kid oughta know how to smelt the sand, gassify fluorine, etch chipz.
mircea_popescu: mod6 yeah but at larger distance / larger size it kinda taints the meat.
mircea_popescu: im not so certain of that ; most plowing happens happily with plows the ploughsmen could not replicate.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> lead imo not the best choice. << ah. one reason that i prefer lead over steel shot is that it tends to not break my teeth when I bite into one.
a111: Logged on 2017-06-30 16:48 asciilifeform: there exists ( in the sense where asciilifeform thought of it, but then went to dig in the dusty libraries and discovered ancient tomes ) a thing called 'tta'
mircea_popescu: lead imo not the best choice.
asciilifeform: the reason this was doable, was that mos6510 -- unlike ye olde 6502 -- had an extra register, that gave you 6 flippable bits , nonmemorymapped; and you could bank-switch with it
asciilifeform: you could actually use all 64kB if you overwrote the basic
asciilifeform: commodore did the copy-to-ram thing to win the owner a 'cheat' of usable address space
mircea_popescu: (z80 thing when reset will munge the "videocard" such as it is, resulting in a pattern brieflydisplaying)
asciilifeform: ( and iirc classical crapples executed the rombasic directly from rom, so 0 boot )
mircea_popescu once spent hours pushing the reset button trying to figure out the pattern on the screen
mircea_popescu: yes, but... was still there.
mircea_popescu: well technically they first loaded basic
asciilifeform: to revisit the micros : it is interesting that NOBODY today makes a comp of any description that presents the eye with a programmable prompt immediately on power up.
mircea_popescu: that is after all the point, neh, to somehow get as large a headcount as possible through the various gates (born, college, credit cards, mortgage, retirement hgome etc) WITHOUT "harming the environment" which in any practical sesne means... without changing anything.
mircea_popescu: ecological item-unit, can be stored in the wall and "keep happy" large population of... well...
mircea_popescu: for the pantsuit, the fact that it will soak up with no change or other effect all the time/effort/cyckles etc you put into it IS A SELLING POINT.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 00:51 mircea_popescu: i suppose this reduces the discussion to "there's two kinds of bipedals, the monkey and the human. the monkey dedicates itself to building wail groups, and the human to not needing to."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:39 asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750708 << incidentally re this, following the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750128 divide, it may very well be the case that to pantsuit, it appears as opposite! it is GOOD for the exact reason you judge it dangerous.
asciilifeform: and costing moar than the comp as well.
mircea_popescu: https://news.avclub.com/take-a-tour-of-the-last-audio-cassette-factory-in-exist-1798284330 speaking of.
asciilifeform: funnily enough i did not program the 'iskra', was small, programmed already 'commodore' ( and inherited a 8086 a few yrs after )
mircea_popescu: at some point they came out with a 90minute tape, kicked all ass.
asciilifeform: not everybody had the proper tape deck
mircea_popescu: well i think i'd have scrounged together the two bux for a RAKS blank before i spent two days typing in
asciilifeform: thing is, 80s micros had the rom basic. so cassette was really optional, could enter simple gamez from paper, if wholly starved for 'sneakernet'
mircea_popescu: you also had to buy the casette tapes, so often we didn't bother, just kept trading like a sort of library service.
mircea_popescu: anwyay, perhaps there's something to alf's hope, in point of fact the criteria was very much "but can't poke the code". that you had to buy cartridges didn't even necessarily land, because evidently if you had some and your friends had some you couldn't play them all at the same time.
mircea_popescu: but then... electronic music happened and omfg.
mircea_popescu: the notion that they ALSO do butt things came as a much later discovery, and unsurprising! and not even germane. the core still remained the "wtf is this dumb shit" musical taste.
mircea_popescu: the despisement such heresy enjoyed in little mp's circle was only matched by the sort of folk that'd listen to depeche mode.
asciilifeform: in usa they were pestilentially common
asciilifeform: because ~manipulable~ by the kid.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 19:07 mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"
asciilifeform: i'd like to revisit upstack http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750941 . i suspect the magic of 8bit micro can still stand . even next to crapple.
mircea_popescu: because 6yo will speak whatever the cocksucker that didn't speaks.
mircea_popescu: item knew no competitor ; "unfathomable luxury" means that it was MAGIC, outright, plain and simple and spread on bread ; not "this is the shitty thing dad makes me fuck with because he hates me"
asciilifeform: ain't this rather like asking latin teacher 'nao go and remake republic of rome!'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750685 << the problem isn't finding a working one ; fuck, you can prolly MAKE one, and in less time than it takes woman to make you the kid.
mircea_popescu: i was gonna say "yeah but through masturbation not computation" but then i abstained.
mircea_popescu: i had it in the livingroom too.
asciilifeform: phf: i had somewhat different kind of 'pusher' in re gamez -- elder brother whose machine it was, and strictly rationed
mircea_popescu: right. in other words : let the kid eat the fucking berries, and if it kills him fuck him ; and fuck you too so you get another one
phf: it is possible that in those situations they deemed it safer to pacify me with a video game, than to let me roam free. although the thinking was probably more a long the lines of "let this young kinder experience this thing that he won't normally, because the computer he's playing on is otherwise used to design important shit and was smuggled through border by tov. popov on his recent trip to CERN" or somesuch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can even now recall the sound.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha! and they did this dance, six cats dancing if you did really well. drove my sister up the wall
phf: mircea_popescu: i started contemplating the same thing as soon as i said it :)
mircea_popescu: it got my mom off gaming for life ; at first she was kinda into it, but then lost track and burned a steak. got so pissed off she swore off gaminf forever! and stuck to it.
a111: Logged on 2014-02-19 15:51 asciilifeform: brother and i played this on our 'Iskra' (xt clone) and combed three different dictionaries to learn what the fuck an osha is
phf: there's actually a bunch of games that i only have a vague awareness of that i only spent an hour or two playing at various research facilities and construction sites
mircea_popescu: aha! that was my 2nd i think ; after the jumping jack one
mircea_popescu: phf i recently mastered captain comic with my sister. we used to play it (she shot) when she was like...5 ; then we ACTUALLY managed to finish it, for the first time ever. she was more like 25.
mircea_popescu: that game actually owned any possible videogame store item, they had those quarter operated console things ?
phf: i've actually tried playing it quite recently, i couldn't get more than 2 screens forward. i've gotten soft with these modern "video games"
phf: could be played on my dad's computer at the NII though :p
asciilifeform: and a few others
phf: well, winamp had a visualizer plugin for it, written by a democoder guy who went into gaming (he did, for example, the visualizer for the original xbox). it was a kind of visuals construction kit
mircea_popescu: no soundblaster or anything, used the speaker. i imagine it cheated and clipped to 16 bit.
phf: there was for example the game of life editor/simulator and at the same time winamp with a bunch of plugins bundled
asciilifeform: sorta what a kid is, neh, this brownian-motion probe that goes and first does, ~then~ possibly finds out 'why', if it lives.
mircea_popescu: "O WOW TECHNOLOGY!" ~that~ was the technology. somehow.
mircea_popescu: there was a mp3 player that ran on the 286, i played clayderman on it while the dots moved. i guess it was kinda cool, or at least teh girls liked it lots.\
phf: that was basically what it was. i think there was maybe 3 total "cyberdrug" programs, but the rest was basically visualizers and sound generators lifted from all over
mircea_popescu: the why was never answered.
mircea_popescu: wtf is the "psychedelic" supposed to do, i never could figure out. all sort and manner of kids were into all sorta manner of "psychedleic" bullcrap, from special light-things to "interpret" the music (installed eg under car seats! made the whole experience fucking nauseous) to what have you. but... why ?
asciilifeform: ( consider the often-used 'light' punishment in su penal code : 'the 101st kilometre' . i.e. exile-from-moscow. )
mircea_popescu: stolen from the paint factory.
diana_coman: at least that: in ploiesti you could get it ...probably even directly from the air I suppose
mircea_popescu: you could have i dun recall, maybe 10 galons/mo ? and the queues looked almost like modern traffic jams.
mircea_popescu: now, the gasoline, that was a major fucking issue.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the power ever going out.
mircea_popescu: diana_coman but cluj wasn't slatina. it had... computers and chocolate factory and panties and you know... large campus for all the arab friends.
phf: oh yeah, the electricity thing…
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, myeah; worked as long as there was electricity; and if you lived in a town with any big industry,there would be random blackouts meaning you'd get stuck in the lift between floors
phf: i don't think i've ever seen a non-working lift in moscow! certainly never two (and there's always two in those 15s) at the same time
mircea_popescu: transylvania had this great advantage over run of the mill russo-kirghizstan, in that it was old crown land.
asciilifeform: i ended up, briefly , in a 15 . gotta wonder where the 15 came from , possibly it is 'tallest that folx can endure regularly walking up to with groceries , given that lift ~never works'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there isn't ; chiefly because the old folk didn't want to think about it and the kids such as me had no idea it even existed. "suspicious of trad houses" hides a lot of meaning.
phf: i suspect downtown, where they had "early 1900s flat"s, it was a bit different, but on the periphery of the city, where they had "sleeping neighborhoods" it was pretty much the same as described. (we had 15 storied buildings with a slightly more space in between instead)
asciilifeform: ( is there a straight ro equiv word ..? )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the happy female is plain and direct. the poorly quartered female is neurotic and generally obnoxious.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aspect of the coy behaviour.
mircea_popescu: possibly the lowest precious cuntlet factor i ever encountered in my life ; and i personally credit the active male population and high density.
mircea_popescu: there's a lot of idle and stupid pompousness "traditional" society still clinged to after ww2 in europe.
mircea_popescu: honeslty i much preferred the density. made all sorts of буржуй bullshit untenable and plain-evidently not desirable.
mircea_popescu: there was answer! "cheaper to heat"!
asciilifeform: i recall asking why is the ceiling low, and nobody had answer.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform must confess, that he did not live in a hurscheba-type until it was almost time for the airplane ( after the ancestral home , an early 1900s flat , had been sold )
mircea_popescu: anyway, this item ran for maybe 10 or 20 sqm, in which there were however many thousands of the blocks they could fit.
mircea_popescu: taller item on down right is a hospital actually. the rest, typical ro 4+1 double-sided apt buildings, 3 rooms and 4 rooms, for 2 parents + 2 kids.
mircea_popescu: the pic looks recent
mircea_popescu: all those were there when i was 5
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how much of the old-times flats still stand ?
mircea_popescu: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cb/Blick_%C3%BCber_den_S%C3%BCden_von_Cluj.JPG << there
mircea_popescu: it was called... the aurora!
asciilifeform: aha. if mircea_popescu's orcistan looked anything like the old-town of timis, then it looked quite like asciilifeform's.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i lived (with 10`000 other kids all my exact age) in a purely hruscheba neighbourhood ; to the point i was SUSPICIOUS of traditional houses.
asciilifeform: for typical usaschwitz inmate, 'acreage' is measured either in decimal 'dust' fluff ( if mortgagist ) or in big fat 0 ( if urban zek ) . but mircea_popescu probably knew this.
mircea_popescu: this bookended by full jars of jam on either side carried me well into two digit age.
mircea_popescu: as a kid what i did with my time was that i ran up three flights of stairs to drink (straight from the faucet, who the everloving fuck has the time or the patience for glasses!) a stomachfull of water, then run back down and keep fucking running.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750661 a better question is why exactly does one want to pacify them. god knows the erect penis is the only item in short supply, why fuck with it. how about instead of spedning a dime to "pacify", spend the dime to buy more acreage ; get them a dog and don't let them back in the house until the dog's not so exhausted it can't stand up.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's eyes also that was the piece that made the d00d stand up from the background hiss
mircea_popescu: in fact, the item that brought him to my attention.
mircea_popescu: at an inner city clinic, you may think you're an independent contractor, but you're really working for The Man (but with no pension.) That's the system. Cut SSI payments and those docs-- and nurses and etc-- don't get paid." on steroids.
mircea_popescu: affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750659 << word! the WHOLE schtick with the "monetization" nonsense is 100% "hey kid... wanna take a job with no security, no insurance and subminimum wage ?" ; ie "This is the system. If you think you can effect a huge social overhaul then feel free to vote for Hope And Change and ongoing Afghanistan deployments, otherwise understand how it works before you spew nonsense to your local Fox
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:29 ben_vulpes: some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:27 ben_vulpes: dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:23 phf: clearly, it meditates on the child's behalf
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750644 << is there something more fun than pestering the meditation-type chick while she's trying to ?
mircea_popescu: ozarks are like... the altcoin of wales.
mircea_popescu: doesn't pay as much as... BingoBoingo you know that line, "it doesn't profit a man nothing to lose his soul for the whole world... but for Wales ??!"
BingoBoingo: Folk hero nobel of the hill people.
mircea_popescu: he wanted to be the duke of rohan.
asciilifeform: j gave the impression of longing for his one troo motherland, france-with-platinum-creditcard-on-expenseaccount
asciilifeform at one time took a stab at reading jefferson, to try to find out what specifically the man subscribed to. but walked away with picture 'was simply prolix d00d who couldn't manage his 'creditcard', nuffintowritehomeabout'
mircea_popescu: that he cheated it is no proof against ; but on the contrary, proof he did.
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, the "balabusta" concept, which is used in romanian to denote a fat GYPSY woman, but actually is a jewish word denoting a comme il faut (ie, fat) housewife is proof positive thjat the jews were in fact even more traditional than the peasants that hated them)_
mircea_popescu: and THIS is why jefferson advocated nonsense : not because "he was perpetually in debt", but because the style of womenholding he had grown up in and preferred was untenable. which is why he was in debt and also why he was pro silkver and everyhing else : feudal lord wanting to compete with the moderns and discovering he can't, and that the cuntlets dun care.
mircea_popescu: the propagandistic aim of the film is to propose that the agent of this dissolution was the ethnic jew. which... well, it's a dubious point like all truths of propaganda. but the thing it DISTRACTS from is that... without women market there's no modernity, which is to say no "progress" or steam engine. a point poorly diggested by the councilmen of the peasantry,
mircea_popescu: alizing the women market.)
mircea_popescu: (the film is exceptional in that it summarily but correctly renders the early capitalism dissolution of traditional feudalism : the lord wants a "ballet" so as to line up the nubile daughters of the land for feeling up ; the councilmen do not wish to give him ~the money~ to make one because it's their fucking daughters. capital exists, in the early modern phase, to dissolve the traditional family, in the strict sense of liber
mircea_popescu: timisoara was the sister city.
mircea_popescu: to prove this, i bring the following point : in http://trilema.com/2017/jud-suss/ the lord of swabia complains that the city council won't get him stuff that, by the standards of the empire';s holds in belgrade, would be very modest.
asciilifeform: what 'rich' means muchly depends on locale. 'rich chukcha' has moar deer, i imagine. rich plantator -- moar ground. but there is not a habsburg house for him to live in, he cannot buy it any more than he could have bought a pdp-8
mircea_popescu: timisoara was a major center in the 1700s and 1800s.
asciilifeform: not far from where asciilifeform lives , there is a preserved manor house from enormous plantation, that once covered what is now 4 or so townships. the house is quite tame by even timisoara standards.
phf: american "founding fathers" in a lot of ways remind me of the three musketeers" "i sold this ring from a countess that i fuck, let's go have some proper food"
asciilifeform: i dun think anybody imagined the plantators being loaded by euro standard.
phf: jefferson has a lot of lulzy stories of balling out while he was an ambassador to france. he's also the person who advocated 10 year (5?) debt removal system, being perpetually in debt
mircea_popescu: french not-even-rich guy gambled away in one night the income for 100 square kilometers of plantation
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:18 mircea_popescu: (and yes for MOST of us history, the us president couldn't afford to pay for restaurant meals. fact.)
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750625 << dunno re this. iirc washington was one of the megaplantators of his time ( albeit by marriage ). jefferson not exactly 'poorfag' either.
asciilifeform: 'miner's lung' for the mind.
asciilifeform: that's what makes idiotrons destructive -- they can absorb ~infinite sweat, work, brain cycles, and give back nuffin
phf: "my son is so smart, he really understands the technology!! he plays with his ipad all day" on the other hand
mircea_popescu: this is a revelation ticos, for instance, by and large never achieved ; and you will be surprised if you examine young slavegirl hopefuls, in that they also, do not see the world as mere covers stretched on a numeric structure.
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2017/12/13/midwester-rube-on-uruguay-one-week-in/ << Bingo Blog - Midwester Rube On Uruguay One Week In
a111: Logged on 2017-12-11 19:40 mircea_popescu: cut through the gringo fleecing zone, and the quicker the better.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:32 phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750682 << in retrospect, regarding the matter cooly and with the disinterest of old age, i can affirm that this is ~the only important and enduring portion of computing as an education tool in my life. it's what feeds eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-11#1749457 and everything in between ands up to that : the 6yo mp's discovery that there exists a numeric universe underneath, and that it's t
a111: Logged on 2014-07-10 18:07 benkay: latin, ballroom, the classics, various kinds of combat
ben_vulpes: phf: some day perhaps, he is well occupied learning to make me breakfast and working on his basic numeracy at the moment
ben_vulpes: i actually caved for a plane ride recently, procured a set of entirely unobjectionable 45-minute videos of various animals tearing each other apart. imagine my fury when the downloadotron had failed to save these for the flight!
phf: ben_vulpes: have considering buying him a commodore or somesuch, i.e. a basic repl machine that you can also use to teach him about the meaning of peek/poke?
ben_vulpes: i speak stricly of the miserable agglomeration of transistors with no purpose
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i used to work with a number of d00dz who had young chillunz, they all bought rubberized tabletrons for'em 'as soon as knew how to hold it'
mircea_popescu: how do you expect digestion works. computational machines ALL THE WAY DOWN
ben_vulpes not going to try, computronium strictly off-limits to the feeble-minded and children in my house
phf: apropos, i was always curious if that old school binaural sound generator program from the late 90s could be used to pacify children, but never had a chance to try
ben_vulpes: some yes! monetization algorithms get the humans to do a lot of the work as well, which helps the whole 'ecosystem' escape local minima
ben_vulpes: strictly designed to turn the learning part of tiny brains off and turn them into drooling zombies.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 17:12 asciilifeform: nobody said theory had to include a 'why'!11
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-13#1750614 << for my own peace of mind, wtf is a theory in your view ? cuz to my mind, theory = pairing of allegedly observed phenomena with aleged causative factor.
ben_vulpes: dude the horror that is youtube's autoselected content for wee ones is unplumbable.
ben_vulpes: they'll demand inane child content all day
ben_vulpes: next thing you know they'
mircea_popescu: the rhytmic pulsing thing may not be terrible. iirc actually works on mild autism.
ben_vulpes: yes well now we have transistors and the high-pixel density hyperattractors
mircea_popescu: the irish wetnurse mixed whiskey in the milkfeed ; the italian wetnurse masturbated the infant.