mircea_popescu: exactly re <asciilifeform> ( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )
mircea_popescu: i am NOT looking at difflists saying "and then special snowflake added a space and took out a tab"
asciilifeform: vs plain paint-the-grass-green.
mircea_popescu: something IS gained thereby.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i like breaking things when something is gained thereby.
asciilifeform: i'm almost surprised that mircea_popescu hasn't yet thought of , e.g., anathemizing ascii in favour of own, arbitrary arrangement of alphabet, strictly for incompatibility's sake; or to proclaim the 17-bit byte...
mircea_popescu: the "backward compatibility" argument is no argument but a red herring. i will not break shit to match microsoft's sad history.
mircea_popescu: also -- if v breaks fortran then FORTRAN fixes itself.
asciilifeform: i guarantee that the 'autofix' will break something, somewhere, at some point, in a difficult-to-detect way.
mircea_popescu: exactly what the rules are is an open question, but basically the idea is to separate style from content in code.
mircea_popescu: the way this'd work would be as a list of rules ("no two consecutive spaces" or whatever) which the sources are checked against BEFORE diffing. should the check fail the options are either to propagate the fail ("file x not in format" error) or else to autofix (which'd work via sed).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plz expand then ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 17:35 trinque: hm, dunno whether I want to execute someone's script during a press.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754358 << entirely not what's contemplated here ; asciilifeform spurious overloading of the concept unwelcome.
asciilifeform: ( the long-time reader will observe that this contravenes http://www.loper-os.org/?p=231 . tough cookies, don't do crypto on box with transparent copying. )
asciilifeform: ( and naturally 0 swapolade or any other 'transparent' copying of anything at all behind the operator's back, in the whole machine, goes without saying. )
a111: Logged on 2017-05-16 01:53 asciilifeform: now you store bit as ~phase~ of the square wave, rather than absolute steady state of the flipflop.
mircea_popescu: which yes, kock wouldn't be koch if he didn't live to try and befoul the tools of salvation through association with his turpitudes.
mircea_popescu: but the concept itself is sound.
mircea_popescu: so in this sense i agree "secure memory" on current iron is not worth bothering with.
mircea_popescu: secure memory as a concept is actually pretty good, if implemented correctly. implemented as "not swapped" it's not useful, but if it were "untouchable by any other" it'd be useful.
asciilifeform: trinque: sorta why i didn't particularly itch to go there
trinque: hm, dunno whether I want to execute someone's script during a press.
asciilifeform: ( who recalls the mircea_popescu tabs-spaces thread... )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:57 mircea_popescu: phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754311 << this is how asciilifeform originally thought to make the file-moves thing, with the 'manifest', i.e. list of commands that get executed on the dataset pre-diff
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 17:13 mircea_popescu: and yes, the original holder threads were never meaningfully revisited. this is a 10yo suture wound with the first silks still attached.
trinque: can't waste all the security anointing oil on one proggy. gotta save some for the rest of god's children!
asciilifeform: at one point asciilifeform planned to cut out the allocator from mpi entirely, but ditched whole thing before ever getting there.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, it's fine to say no secure memory,sure; it's not fine to pretend it is used but then "use" it like in the example
asciilifeform: the 'secure memory' thing is entirely red herring imho. all it means is that it gets marked unswappable. but i dun have swap on any of my boxes, period.
mircea_popescu: cheap "cleverness" of the male virginarium aka monastery ; in same vein see also http://btcbase.org/log/2016-07-08#1499583
diana_coman: and in more recent lol-with-gpg: the primegen function in gpg allocates secure memory for candidate prime when generating for rsa BUT then it goes on and calls is_prime on that "n" and is_prime calculates and stores n-1 in ...insecure memory
mircea_popescu: in that it bakes metasyntaxis into the code.
mircea_popescu: bad coding altogether.
a111: Logged on 2015-05-20 00:29 mod6: take a look at this: http://dpaste.com/0SQPBKC.txt Is there any reason when allocating the space for p & q to do Eulers totient they would initialize the space with 'p' and 'p', instead of 'p' & 'q'?
diana_coman: in "only 2 years later" but since I did not find otherwise in the logs an answer to mod6's question at http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-20#1139680 : that is simply the number of limbs, so a matter of size; since p and q are same size, it is fine there although arguably not helping the reader
BingoBoingo: shinohai: The critters have numerous avenues for developing resistance to contact insecticides, so applying permethrins is typically an arms race. Hence leaning towards the imaclopramid solution.
mircea_popescu: and yes, the original holder threads were never meaningfully revisited. this is a 10yo suture wound with the first silks still attached.
shinohai: That sucks, ou'll have to grow a fuckton of chrysanthemums and extract our own.
trinque: yeah, I'm cracking the thing open for maximum external control.
trinque: mod6: this will probably end up being a separate branch. my needs with deedbot are diverging from "preserve grandfather's pistol".
shinohai: Are pyrethrins legal there?
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Except the pests are actual insects << Aha, persistent bugs, but yes. Can not fault them for following travellers.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-17 03:52 mircea_popescu does his usual s%\n\n%\r\r% s%\n% % s%\r\r%\n\n% while muttering underbreath about the idiocy of fucktards who STILL DON'T UNDERTAND NEWLINE STANDS FOR NEW PARAGRAPH!!11
mircea_popescu: phf the correct approach to this is pre-diff filtering masks.
phf: for example i have a set of patches that i've not had a chance to cleanup, that diff mp's addition on top of the released version of wordpress. that patchset could only by successfully produced by ignoring whitespace changes, and adding a handful of filters for cosmetic alterations
asciilifeform: phf: there's no place for 'merge' as a concept in a vtronic system.
phf: yeah, but killing obviously bad code is so much easier then killing a not bad code that you don't need
asciilifeform: elsewhere, asciilifeform contemplates , of what is made the black soot that one finds inside servers. wish i still had where to gc/ms...
asciilifeform: a patch either applies cleanly or something is Very Wrong
asciilifeform: phf: 'ignore', 'merge', anything pertaining to either
asciilifeform: i also wonder whether gabriel_laddel ever considered vegas. it has slightly better odds than sv nonsense, and with fewer pounds of flesh required as table stake
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:23 phf: perhaps we can get g_l to move there
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754270 << i was about to say, 'i've nfi what d00d is still doing in usa' but then remembered he's 1legged nao
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:26 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754215 << there's always a better path through history with retrospective power.
asciilifeform: ( and i concede the point to mircea_popescu , boat prolly does not work for the contemplated use , in the general case )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 16:22 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754172 << why not ? great boating area, either you or girl ever saw uruguay ?
asciilifeform: in other noose, raid cards work.
asciilifeform: and only then wherever.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:28 danielpbarron: i've got over 1k USD in sales in just a week, but the last auction finished with no bids
mircea_popescu: what am i supposed to say now, "if only i had five more and pushed them harder, i could buy a las vegas casino ?"
mircea_popescu: other than the "hey, i spent like 100k usd for these cufflinks" lulz, there's also "hey, this slavegirl who was doing basic training made like 100 btc freelancing in 2012. so i'm today ~2mn usd richer because owning obedient slut."
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 15:21 danielpbarron: glad i replaced them but to be perfectly honest i'd have been better off keeping both the bitcoin spent while also buying the re-up. I justify it as a hedge against possible bitcoin price decrease and as a public service for the republic
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754215 << there's always a better path through history with retrospective power.
shinohai: Except the pests are actual insects
phf: perhaps we can get g_l to move there
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 14:46 BingoBoingo: Do remember if you choose to stay in my hostel to bring clothes you don't mind burning later porque los chinches de cama
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754172 << why not ? great boating area, either you or girl ever saw uruguay ?
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 06:18 mircea_popescu: but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754144 << misstated. "a coin has been ~spent~". obviously it was minted whenever the fuck the possibility of having the item appeared, which is probably before the big bang.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 14:39 asciilifeform: the differences are not in that some have roaches and others mice, no.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754158 << if only. he has a point, they're not all the same thing.
phf: recent gpgme doesn't build with gnupg@1.4 out of the box
asciilifeform: this is afaik the cheapest amd64 box 'bang for buck', currently around.
asciilifeform: they are widely sold as surplus today, about fiddybux ( naturally diskless )
asciilifeform: what's the use of a 1 gig ssd
BingoBoingo: Ah, have you outlined a box you can build arbitrary quantities off using off the shelf parts?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Have you thought about selling gentoo servers, specializing in easing the transition to Cuntoo?
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: dunno, sounds like your fg dealership was and still is an effective device for converting btc into fiatola to buy bread, at slightly higher efficiency than otherwise
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: not too late to do the latter, neh
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i'm thick; what means 're-buying the re-up' ?
asciilifeform: !!down The20YearIRCloud
The20YearIRCloud: From property income? Then yes if you consider the USD. From the outset I explained to everyone that we'd be dealing primarily in USD, accepting BTC from tenants wherever possible. As of today I've had a grand sum of 3 people ask me about truly getting involved in bitcoin
a111: Logged on 2017-12-10 01:32 danielpbarron: i replaced the coin used to by mine at the time i bought them, so that works for me
asciilifeform: forget about matching, how about simply not burning the coin
The20YearIRCloud: Because matching the BTC appreciation/escalation with any investment is just about impossible.
BingoBoingo: Including the USD crumble rate
asciilifeform: how many centuries to make the coin back ?
asciilifeform: i.e. you spent btc presumably some months ( years ? ) ago, and letting them flats out for 'dust' today
The20YearIRCloud: Used the BTC to buy the first 18 if memory serves me right, rest has been bank capital and partnerships
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: iirc you were the fella with the flats-let-out-for-btc . how's that coming along ?
asciilifeform: The20YearIRCloud: y'know you don't have to talk if you dunwanna
deedbot: The20YearIRCloud voiced for 30 minutes.
BingoBoingo: !!up The20YearIRCloud
BingoBoingo: Not to mention when apartment time comes it presents a ready opportunity for remediating the issue
BingoBoingo figures if the Colombians y Brasileros/Brasileras don't complain too loudly what is his place to do so.
BingoBoingo: Well, there's accomodations nearby where the staff get paid in dinero instead of accomodations, without rapidly turning beds in rooms that accomodate 8 people.
asciilifeform: somehow i didn't expect delousing as one of the expenses...
BingoBoingo will prolly do the ivermectin thing later this week
BingoBoingo: Do remember if you choose to stay in my hostel to bring clothes you don't mind burning later porque los chinches de cama
BingoBoingo: Lol, the fellow went to great lengths to caution me on how cold winter gets here while staying above 0C
BingoBoingo: Ah, better get to boxing then. Apparently when summer ends the weather is un poco menos divine.
BingoBoingo: Will you be flying down with the box?
BingoBoingo: But the fellow I talked to recieved a clear understanding of what I am and am not looking for.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1754135 << emphasis was quite deliberate on 'this is orthogonal to the problem contemplated'. yes, it is solvable, there are several known obvious solutions.
BingoBoingo: Details vary, even among this operator's different halls. This operator's older halls use racetrack designed for electrical conduit. The new hall uses coated racetrack designed for networking cables
BingoBoingo: And very importantly, they have space to fill
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i can picture that it'd impress folx who experienced 'typical' technology being webolade, ducttape, perl. the way austrian bidet impressed asciilifeform's grandfather. << AHA, in Uruguay no excuse for walking around with stink butt
mircea_popescu: fundamentally, the "quo warranto" inquiry is exactly equivalent to transaction verification.
mircea_popescu: that you don't "need to make a coin" for this should be evident, in the sense that the "coin" already exists. (not to mention -- http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1752985 )
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:52 asciilifeform: to round out the crackpottery : i've described what is more or less a working variant of ye olde warcrime, the multiverse coin
mircea_popescu: but yes, this comes with the necessity of considering eg http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-14#1751602 as "a coin has been minted" ; i don't see http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753931 as anything other than an abstract rendering of the exact practical reality
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes look into teh whole medieval history. two salient points : a) "honor", especially "why would it be said that the enchroaching of king into chivalry through pretense of fons honorum actually destroyed it" ; b) tenement, especially in the sense of subinfeudation.
ben_vulpes: although perhaps that is the only thing that will eventually differentiate the trilema fiatists products
ben_vulpes: ohey have we finally arrived at the solution of each laird maintaining their own premined coin?
asciilifeform: ( presupposing yer doing precision, vs accuracy-to-inca, the latter circularly presupposes inca broadcast as only winner )
mircea_popescu: i suspect quartz hating is because obsoleting the last remnant of pre-socialism tech, the mechanical movement.
mircea_popescu: no argument. they are.
asciilifeform: folx spit on quartz resonators, but they're a quite remarkable thing.
asciilifeform: in the time it took you to write this, yer fg clock beat out 28^20 time units.
mircea_popescu: now, the accomplishment here is that it tied a theoretical model to future development in reality.
mircea_popescu: anyway. so the range is approx 1e8
asciilifeform: the cpld in fg, for instance.
asciilifeform: i can picture that it'd impress folx who experienced 'typical' technology being webolade, ducttape, perl. the way austrian bidet impressed asciilifeform's grandfather.
mircea_popescu: the point is that it worked.
mircea_popescu: the fact that blocktimes today are SO DAMNED CLOSE to the range intended 8 years ago in spite of diff going up 1e20 is unmatched.
asciilifeform: scaled all the way into becoming a chinese national property.
asciilifeform: the asic-building tourney is intrinsically cartelizing.
mircea_popescu: i clearly remember gushing in the log many years ago, but can't seem to find. anyway : difficulty worked.
mircea_popescu: i don't mean here what rando-idiot thinks those are. i mean the actual article,
asciilifeform: they haven't tho.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform up to a point. if they came up with say riemann falsification , you'd care.
asciilifeform: i duncare what obummer and gavin have to say re the worldstate,
mircea_popescu: in all factuality we wouldn't have wot were there not pow.
asciilifeform: and currently i'm of the mind that pow is an idiot substitute for wot.
mircea_popescu: maybe "any" is too strong. but if one can take decision based on it, there's the evident problem
asciilifeform: pow where having found the prev champ is of ~any~ advantage, is ipso facto retarded tho.
mircea_popescu: doesn't have to be complete being the only grace.
asciilifeform: and yes mircea_popescu this item is an attempt at the unified theory, rather than proposal for concrete cointron.
asciilifeform: notice that item in this thread makes no reference to how-hashed or other technominutiae .
mircea_popescu: (in the discussion re http://trilema.com/2016/the-necessary-prerequisite-for-any-change-to-the-bitcoin-protocol/ the item involved is a more elaborate... world function.)
asciilifeform: i gave an example scalar, 'coins moved but over 1 block delta'. it is by no means the only possible.
mircea_popescu: anyway, one approach might be to a) create a scalar worldfunction and b) force reference to the discrete value of it. which is what pow ineptly tries to do.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but this just makes us a larger mp, you understand ? girl going "hail master, i am yours to command" does not resolve the problem.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't cleat to me that wot isn't the troo solution to time. e.g. 'i'ma follow the multiverse mircea_popescu picks, and fuck everyone'
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of bitcoin relay network is that it actually forces people who aren't to nevertheless act like idiots.
mircea_popescu: trinque the only known pill is keeping large pile of secretly connected nodes, measuring who mothballs you and why, sending assassins over,
mircea_popescu: to the problem of time ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in which vein : nothing wrong in principle with the idea (of all-coins-given-at-t0) but you will have to solve the problem of time.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 04:09 trinque: obviously I'm looking into it, but I would like to hear what other people are seeing on their trb nodes.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-19#1753954 << i have up to date nodes ; both trb and legacy. but the phenomena described is recurrent since at least 18 months ago.
asciilifeform: q is more re fundamentals. suppose you had another, yet-unspecified means to distributecoin.
mircea_popescu: this alt-granpa pistol is no replacement for the actual item
asciilifeform: then no crowbar.
mircea_popescu: the problem with "no time", see ? it's that now... no time!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: your picture seems to be a variant of the 'isolated node' argument. except nao with the sides reversed
mircea_popescu: by the time you ask "why would anyone choose the wrong color bits" you've moved from protocol to promise.
mircea_popescu: this question means the scheme's dead.
asciilifeform: why would anyone build on their alt-world tho
mircea_popescu: so if at t0 the chain is C, and at t1 large owners decide they don't like C and retroactively create C' ?
asciilifeform: in the proposed algo -- the block, from all the alternatives you have, with greatest summed coinmovement
mircea_popescu: there's nothing fundamentally wrong with a non-mining coin, ie, where all coins are created at t0.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:33 asciilifeform: and, i'll add, in light of the luby proof-of-storage item.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-19 02:08 phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway)
trinque: obviously I'm looking into it, but I would like to hear what other people are seeing on their trb nodes.
trinque noticing extremely fucky behavior around sending transactions with trb over the last few days at least.
phf: well, if you baked in color support, your code periodically enables a color mode, but doesn't immediately disable it. instead colors spit out as the execution unfolds. but if you catch an interrupt, you end up with a borked terminal. hence fucking complicated ass signal machinery to ensure that color gets restored on hup or suspend
phf: there's a concrete answer to that question!
phf: Pass the output through `pr' to paginate it.
phf: it's not even the entirety of autoconf, just things that are left un-included after fixing all the "missing file" errors from diff.c
asciilifeform: ( each candidate-tx is irreversibly bound to its author's picture-at-the-time of the complete world history )
asciilifeform: to round out the crackpottery : i've described what is more or less a working variant of ye olde warcrime, the multiverse coin
asciilifeform: ( to complete the picture above : no pow, but a tx ~does~ carry a lubyism, e.g. three lengths of 64bits , each of these the xor of 3 64bit substrings of the world-state, hashtronically selected based ~strictly on the tx payload's hash~ -- nothing to waltz, yer stuck with so-and-so lubyism obligation to fulfill by virtue of yer inputs being such-an-such and yer outputs such-an-such )
asciilifeform: i modelled this item on paper, and did not find any obvious place in which to put a crowbar and make the thing break apart in the 'rewrite history' sense.
asciilifeform: however there is no block reward. anyone can proclaim a block, so long as he can find one or more valid tx that haven't sat down in a block yet. the 'pow value' of the block , for the purpose of longest-chain, however, consists of the ~total coins moved~ in the tx-en that sat down in it.
asciilifeform: prolly i'm doomed to describe a complete algo nao. so consider : no pow. a block is 2^20 bytes . it can hold a certain # of fixed-length tx ( i will not repeat earlier scheme, with the luby etc., imho it was adequate. ) ;
asciilifeform: and, i'll add, in light of the luby proof-of-storage item.
asciilifeform: this gedankenexperiment should be seen in light of the earlier 'all tx have absolute position and make references to absolutepositional outputs' item from earlier 'trbi' thread.
asciilifeform: suppose the bulldog and rhinoceros were cut apart.
asciilifeform: upstack re pow item : i'ma leave an observation for mircea_popescu ( and others, but he's prolly the one to crack this nut properly ) . consider how in classical bitcoin , pow is used for 2 entirely different and quite orthogonal items : initialcoindistribution, and rewindprotection (i.e. preventing history-rewriting) . it's a bulldog-rhinoceros. so q is, suppose that coin distribution somehow took place at t==0. do you still need po
phf: apropos out yesterday's mini thread about whisky. the only good kind of whisky comes in the jar
a111: Logged on 2016-06-20 04:23 phf: which is handy if you're using something else to produce the patch, or if you need to use a non-trivial diff command. for example i sometimes need to exclude files from diffing, so a command might look like diff -x foo -x bar -x qux -ruN a b | grep -v '^Binary files ' | vdiff > foo.vpatch
asciilifeform: i have scripts that ruthlessly thermonuke the kind of rubbish that doesn't get diffed, instead.
phf: there's a couple of places where regex is used. exclude filters files by name, (so --exclude=.*c will skip those files by regex), exclude lines filters lines (obviously is not compatible with v), and there's also a function grabber, it's a little piece of code that ensures that, say, c function headers or certain pattern matching lines are in the hunk context
phf: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu do we want to keep the exclude functionality? i sometimes use it in test runs, but this'll let me get rid of regex (for now anyway)
a111: Logged on 2017-12-18 23:58 asciilifeform: ( it is specifically a pill against 'can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' aspect )
asciilifeform wonders whether he gotta commit another warcrime in the spirit of http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-28#1619719 , or to simply lay the http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-18#1753876 item out in the l0gz, reasonably compactly.
asciilifeform: ( it is specifically a pill against 'can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others' aspect )
asciilifeform: upstack in re 'mining is a bug' , asciilifeform has a theoretical pill, potentially interesting , but will chew on it for some weeks -- there's gotta be a catch
mircea_popescu: the strip is in las vegas
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what the item would even cost today. billions, prolly.
mircea_popescu: in other lulz : 32 hectares of land across the strip from the flamingo cost under 1mn in 1962.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 16:22 mircea_popescu: anwyay, revisiting an ancient conversation re http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=mining+is+a+bug : i have to thoroughly concede this point to asciilifeform . the model is as follows : if a) a PoW system exists in which b) a participating entity can recognize work done by itself as opposed to work done by others then it NECESSARILY follow that entity can, and therefore it ALSO follows that it eventually will c) impose further con
asciilifeform: ( sucks for the reason, incidentally, that mircea_popescu already fingered , http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745524 and elsewhere )
mircea_popescu: but it's certainly there.
mircea_popescu: but the contention here is that picking something like modexp is a better choice than just piling on hashes.
asciilifeform: in applications where people want 'expensive', they ask for 1e6 or whatever iterated hashes
asciilifeform: sha2 (and for that matter other hashes) weren't built to be expensive, quite opposite
mircea_popescu: let's take a = every other bit of n. to mine this block, you must produce an x so that x is twice the bitsize of n, and (x+a)^n is mod congruent to x^n + a (mod n)
asciilifeform: ( though even there , you'd shed 1 or 2 from the exponent , not earth-shaking necessarily )
mircea_popescu: but the base factor can't be this fucking humongous ffs, it's just (x+a)^n vs x^n+a.
asciilifeform: i was hoping to find that i made a mistake, but the numberz check out.
asciilifeform: and the order is log(n^6)
mircea_popescu: ie, suppose the factors f1... f8 have bitnesses of 1,1,2,2,3,3,2042,2042. so then we try f1f3f5f7 and f2f4f6f8. and we also try f2f3f5f7 f1f4f6f8. and so on.
mircea_popescu: it's a finite set of factors, they work together into fixed bitnesses only so many ways.
mircea_popescu: the thus reconstructed p and q should be tested for whether they indeed have no true witness of compositeness as low as gpg tests.
asciilifeform: and we don't know how the shit-dust comes back together to form what gpg thought was primes
mircea_popescu: each of these factors will have a bitness. admitting none of them has a bitness = 2048, they can be arranged into a p and a q so that each of these has a bitness of 2048
asciilifeform: it'd be one of the shit-dust ones
asciilifeform: rather than '2 fat factors'
mircea_popescu: the ~other~ part of it is : suppose (i don't have example ready, but constructively) there's a N that popped into factors f1... fm.
mircea_popescu: or rather, part of my point.
mircea_popescu: was it ever checked whether it would appear prime to koch-gpg ?
mircea_popescu: yes ; but the first ?
asciilifeform: and the bottom item was reported as a factor on account of each, taken separately, having passed gmp's m-r after the 1st was found.
asciilifeform: only to a numbers that are factors of 2 or moar moduli. and they dun come with any certificate of primality, except for the smallest 'dust' ones
asciilifeform: so from that pov i have no access to the original p,q that gpg may have generated, for any of the keys
asciilifeform: phuctor finds a divisor. if it is toobig for sieving, i'm left with m-r, when asking whether it is a ~prime~ divisor.
asciilifeform: to say if 'there's moar' or not.
asciilifeform: say i have 2 2048b pieces on the table.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform importantly, re the test above : not the ~factors~ must be tested, but the actual composite p or q, as reconstructed from the factors.