asciilifeform: anyway, some starting points : there are two types of money. bitcoin, and printolade
ReadErr: apparently adults need to relearn arithmetic these days, with the 'new math' they are using
asciilifeform: the effect of understanding exactly why this is so, is not unlike the effect on child of learning arithmetic
asciilifeform: ReadErr: it's not wholly unlike the one between mercury and airplane .
asciilifeform: 'hardware isn't easy to build therefore couldn't possibly be necessary, the gods would not have made this level so hard, for me, the hero' or similar.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> not, certainly, a lispm. any moar than old rusty toyota with the holes caulked, and oars fitted, is a boat . << Well, hazard of desyncing is ending up on the caulk chain
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 07:00 mircea_popescu: o look, ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap on that geopolitica."ru" item. don't tell me it's 100% more of the same old http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 / http://trilema.com/2017/datamarylandgov/#footnote_0_76632 !
asciilifeform: not, certainly, a lispm. any moar than old rusty toyota with the holes caulked, and oars fitted, is a boat .
asciilifeform: the funny bit is that gabriel_laddel came pretty close to building something like cuntoo (i.e. a sanely depythonized gentoo) ; which would've been useful and respectable
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 02:12 gabriel_laddel: FTR: what I bring to the table is the closest thing to LISPM available, and direction + productive discussion for those already down the rabbit hole. Non-alices need not apply.
BingoBoingo: In other discoveries, the little ice cream cones filled with dulce de leche. Very decadent
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1762790 << the last copy before destruction of dulap-II
ReadErr: ohhh the board that asciilifeform made
lobbes: I think that may have been the first non-game item auctioned with an actual sale
lobbesbot: Logged on 2017-12-18 20:44:22: <lobbesbot> AUCTION # 163 has ENDED: The very notebook displayed in http://trilema.com/2017/of-ducks-and-lameness/ ! Free shipping anywhere in the world included. SOLD to danielpbarron for 1mn coppers. Attn: mircea_popescu
lobbes: mostly is items found in the game Eulora. But just recently this was auctioned: http://logs.minigame.bz/2017-12-18.log.html#t20:44:22
lobbes: k. should I set up a new invoice or just resend the !!v ?
ReadErr: whats the trigger
a111: Logged on 2017-12-28 23:42 phf: zavalashin is another old timer, the piece in question is his only contribution to forbse
a111: Logged on 2017-03-08 22:29 mircea_popescu: in other lulz : femen, the "ukrainian" organisation is selling shit priced in dollars via 2checkout.com, the columbus ohio us corp.
mircea_popescu: o look, ssl_error_no_cypher_overlap on that geopolitica."ru" item. don't tell me it's 100% more of the same old http://btcbase.org/log/2017-03-08#1623380 / http://trilema.com/2017/datamarylandgov/#footnote_0_76632 !
ReadErr: woke up late, cold weather does that to me
BigTexasBingo: And the go to line "Para vos no soy tu. Yo soy usted" could be more likely to get you stabbed
BigTexasBingo: Also probably best to sync long to brain before Costa Rica less all the Usted there feed your ego.
BigTexasBingo: Yo tengo que hacer numero dos porque bebo mucho cafe. Anyways passport was not hard to get in the end.
gabriel_laddel: ticket is like240 so I'll see about signing bonus and then first weekend of job
gabriel_laddel: thats a damn good idea, I was referring to DanG who hosted the youtube video tho
mircea_popescu: to put it in other words : the republic does not deem corporatyions to be persons. a corporation can't owe tax for the exact same reason the united states government can't be sovereign.
Troika: Alright thanks -- back to lurking now, keep up the good work.
mircea_popescu: it's personal tax, if the business changes hands you realise whatever you realise and that's that.
Troika: In case the business changes hands or similar.
mircea_popescu: why would these be separate ?
Troika: Can one create a new WOT identity? For purposes of paying "corporate tax/tithe" to TMSR, as opposed to an individual WOT identity.
gabriel_laddel: am trying to get passport so I can just show YOU rather than fking around with low-fidelity comms
mircea_popescu: yes, but until they do so connect you are at risk of "wtf is this and why is it in my feed" beheading.
a111: Logged on 2017-12-02 22:16 mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!
gabriel_laddel: eh, the rabbit tunnels will connect. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-02#1745646 is my motto & the world is a small place
mircea_popescu: well, that's the fundamental problem here, you were left stranded.
mircea_popescu: many problems that previously had poor or altogether no solution are essentially resolved now as a result.
mircea_popescu: in other words : republican methodology for improving software, that was slowly swirling towards systematisation down the drain of v turned exponential / made some major breakthroughs in the past six weeks or so.
gabriel_laddel: FTR: what I bring to the table is the closest thing to LISPM available, and direction + productive discussion for those already down the rabbit hole. Non-alices need not apply.
mircea_popescu: yes, but did you follow either asciilifeform or diana_coman 's approach to a very similar problem ?
gabriel_laddel: well for one, I'm not really prepared to sell M to the mass market & recently reached the conclusion that CLIM is backwards in a few fixable ways. #1, commands are to be computed by code walking rather than define-command & by using (declare) and FUNCTION-LAMBDA-LIST
mircea_popescu: i can't, on the basis of that video, infer anything beyond, "hey, if we ever want to upload a youtube video with apologies about some software, maybe gabriel_laddel is free"
a111: Logged on 2017-12-29 21:30 mircea_popescu: here's a problem i perceive phf : you could guess about log(n) of my understanding of various things that interest me on the basis of reading trilema ; i could not guess epsilon of thge say your understanding of sbcl on the basis of reading whatever you provide voluntarily. i could glean it from this kind of interaction, but here's what that means : http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-29#1760839
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel dja see how this is rather in the vein of asciilifeform "future of internet" png ?
gabriel_laddel: trinque are there some local kids I can pay to ship me some senegalia berlandie?
mircea_popescu: nothwithstanding that bb opened the pot talk, there's the problem that if i want to point to something to explain what you do to an innocent third party, i don't know where to, gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: dumbass. the reason I say nothing is because there is nothing to say about it other than "WIP". What, you need to hear about how pleased I am with (ALIAS 'f 'cl::defun)? gtfo'
BingoBoingo: Perhaps there are exceptions, but... No reason to let USG get free intel
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: My impression is that in south america people with money generally only talk about their knowledge of hard drug markets within their wot
BingoBoingo: Ah, here it is normal for the garage doors to be hooked up to sirens that sound when cars attempt to join traffic
gabriel_laddel: pity. I was going to ask you what you know about there coca plants.
ben_vulpes: holy hell someone set off an alarm at a construction site down the street and now i cannot think through the blaring
ben_vulpes: 'magic' just means alkaline; necessary to make the reaction run.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: By kids I mean the small homeless children.
BingoBoingo: Down here people tend not to market hard drugs to the gringo that doesn't drink or smoke pot.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: You know if you come to Montevideo... They'll have an expocannabis again and you could actually be there this time.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes I destroyed my machines, usb sticks using the BART track before leaving. recover my harddrive bitches.
mircea_popescu: what, after the pout of gold ?
gabriel_laddel: I can get it from customer was pasting to then
gabriel_laddel: I dropped some code in there I'd like to not rewrite. Destroyed old machines on traintracks before leaving CA...
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes is there some way to search wotpaste for "sb-c::info"
mircea_popescu: in other holy shit sherlock news, the wind here actually got SO BAD!!! it bust down my door. fucking literally.
BingoBoingo only somewhat visually attractive to the local girls for his more northern euro facial features. Once BingoBoingo takes off his shirt and they see the tan lines though... all bets are in BingoBoingo's favor.
BingoBoingo: Also the people here... Whiter than in Ohio
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: That'll give us a corridor through the city
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: Eh, I would have recommended those places to you a few months ago, but seriously just get a place in Ciudad vieja. There's a coworking place near aguada park.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I dunno; wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation << There is
trinque: I dunno; wouldn't be a bad thing for someone to investigate if there's a sickly <-> pantsuit correlation
BingoBoingo: Both countries shove just about everything into their capital cities
BingoBoingo: I mean, culturally Argentina and Uruguay are similar stock. But there is a palpable difference between the people of both places assembled and individually.
mircea_popescu: they could write all the articles about binshinmindwin or however you call "Small and prosperous nation of middle-of-nowherica" you could possibly want.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Imagine if China got into the biodiesel business.
mircea_popescu: "how about culling 95% of us pop ? then can be small and prosperous nation ?"
mircea_popescu: somehow the "small" and "prosperous" relationship, as in, "for as long as you're not overpopulated, you can be prosperous" is not-evident to the pantsuit fans of iceland.
BingoBoingo: "While Iceland has had equal pay laws in place since 1961, the new standard is seen as the first time that the small and prosperous nation of about 340,000" << This is a population in the range of "invadable by Uruguay if Uruguay were managed like USSA"
mircea_popescu: it is ~~~SHAMEFUL~~~ for an intelligent, productive person to permit the leeches to perpetuate their hallucinated comforts out of redirecting his output.
ben_vulpes: 'umble pie is an unknown delight for these people
mircea_popescu: then we can dispense bonbons.
mircea_popescu: "what have we learned today, dottirsherd ?" "today we have learned that the capital duty incumbent upon the dottir herswoman is to find herself a master to obediently follow ; because if dottir herdswoman attempts to act of her own, disaster universally follows."
mircea_popescu: but anyway, let the case of the dumb icelander cow be publicized, maybe they learn the fundamental lesson : "being stupid, which is to say being you, means that the more you '''try to help''' the worse it gets. for everyone."
asciilifeform: 'Ms. Valdimarsdottir, an organizer of the demonstrations in 2016, said inequality still persisted in other areas of Icelandic society, such as wealth distribution and representation in the arts and literature, as well as in the upper echelons of business.' << didjaknow.
asciilifeform: 'for doing the same jobs' << old, grey-bearded lulzgem
ben_vulpes: no really, you're crying because he got dinged and not because you didn't get the raise? i am so very convinced.
ben_vulpes: and in riotously amusing equalitarianism and whocouldapredictedz: "After the committee ruled in her favor, the municipality lowered the man's wages to Ms. Sigfusdottir's level. 'I went home crying,', she said in an interview. 'I would never have gone forward with the case knowing it would only lead to my colleague receiving less."
asciilifeform: ^ boatload of funstuff concerning , e.g., rng testing methodology; rigorous approach to stego; novel attacks on symmetriccipherolade; various other interesting ( and quite compact ) items.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in other but not wholly unrelated non-news, http://boris.ryabko.net/published-engl.pdf ( sorry, no human version available. ) << actual work on otp , from 2014 , by not-anglotards
asciilifeform also wonders which, if any, 'dieharder' litmus, the item displayed in http://www.loper-os.org/bad-at-entropy/manmach.html is analogous to
asciilifeform: if there are -- i dun know of any. yet.
asciilifeform: thing was built to avoid lying to itself and the operator re entropy. but that's only 1st step.
asciilifeform regularly returns to the problem, if the reader has not guessed, of exactly what is the correct method of testing FG, other than ~against other FG~
asciilifeform: whenever i work on 'entropy' i get the uncomfortable suspicion that i am working with a phlogiston
asciilifeform: theoretically yes. but not sure if analogous : chicken shit is visually separable from grape; what we have here is rather moar like trying to distill the veritas from 'in vino veritas'
mircea_popescu: conversely, is there such a thing possible as "distil the wine", in the sense of, "taking a cask of wine in which were put no droppings of any kind, and making it wine-irier, somehiw" ?
mircea_popescu: is there such a thing possible as "distill the wine", in the sense of "putting in less chicken droppings than previously" ?
mircea_popescu: well, i guess we break out the metaphors. suppose you're now a vintner.
asciilifeform: it isn't clear to me why any such thing as 'distill the entropy' should be possible.
mircea_popescu: the metrics lol.
asciilifeform: why is there , apparently... a meter.
mircea_popescu: THERE CAN NOT BE SUCH A THING AS ORDERED ENTROPY!
mircea_popescu: think about it for a second, what's the aleph of entropy ?
mircea_popescu: because they're metrics!
asciilifeform: i'ma have to eat the 'not bias!' answer. even tho it leaves me without a clean analysis-flavoured picture of why successive rounds of faircoin improve entropy metrics across-the-board (regardless of what litmus is chosen)
asciilifeform: then yea
mircea_popescu: a0x^0 is the constant
asciilifeform: this wouldn't be worth writing about, except that it invites a gnarlier analysis q -- what is the bias that 1 round of faircoin ~does not~ remove ? ... analogous similarly directly to successive degrees of polynomial 'not removed' by differentiation in continuous functions ? can prove this ?
asciilifeform: in other verymuch nonnews, asciilifeform for some reason only today realized that von neumann's fair coin algo is simply 'numerical differentiation' for discretes, and removes bias for the same reason differentiation removes constant
BingoBoingo: locally, including Scott Air Force Base, O’Fallon, Fairview Heights, Caseyville, Millstadt, Waterloo, and the Metro-East Municipal Joint Action Water Agency, which serves Commonfields of Cahokia Public Water District and Columbia."
BingoBoingo: "Illinois American Water issued the boil order for most of its metro-east service area, which includes Belleville, East St. Louis, Centreville, Brooklyn, Fairmont City, Sauget, Shiloh, Washington Park, Alorton, Cahokia, Swansea, Canteen Township, St. Clair Township, Stookey Township and Smithton Township. The boil order also affects utilities and communities who buy water wholesale from Illinois American and distribute the water
BingoBoingo: And in other commodities http://www.republica.com.uy/se-normaliza-suministro-combustible-punta-del-este/
BingoBoingo: For the record, "Rambla sur" is the section of Rambla that crosses "Barrio Sur" aka where black people keep themselves here
mircea_popescu: then reattach ?
mircea_popescu: you mean screen the utility ?
asciilifeform: mod6: it's the 'official' answer, linked in ch5.
mod6: ah, simple mux did the trick. nice.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:06 phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _
mod6: or the reverse is fine too: ``>{_}{'_}_ (n-1)
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 16:10 asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.'
BingoBoingo: Anyways the overriding concern was the full bladder. Secondary concern is not knowing how long water's been making it through the roof and onto the floor. The parquet routinely gets pulled up by bare feet, which gives me doubts about the subfloor.
mircea_popescu: maybe the next shoah.
mircea_popescu: one of my dreams is to one day visit a nubile young woman's place of domicile and discover this slighlty humid cave, with beds piled up like racks, 20 of them on either side.
mircea_popescu: an' he aches in the places where he used to play.
asciilifeform: the ones asciilifeform slept in at uni dorm were jumpable-IN as well as out
mircea_popescu: he lives in the tower of song
asciilifeform: are the bunks 3-level нары in BingoBoingostan , or wat
BingoBoingo: Jumping is not a gringo power. They even made a movie titled "White men can't jump"
ReadErr: not like on the traditional boxes but more freestyle
mircea_popescu: and wtf ivory bunks you got there. chicago man can't jump ?!
mircea_popescu: and you still gotta get the hang of spanish flow. "la noche pasada, nadie robar mi escalara" = "last night, nobody to steal my steer" is funny, but "la noche pasada nadie me robo nada" a little more in the vein of common speech.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ? << Well, what's the next Republican holiday? Gotta challenge the Latino Christmasen.
asciilifeform: stimulation-starved folx are like thirsty in the desert, 'could drink a river!111'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc these were photographers or something, "will never be forgotten" etc. ofcourse meanwhile...
mircea_popescu: why not exploding fossil amber marbles with tyronasauri trapped inside! they could gnaw at your ankles! play it in the bed of a piranha infested river!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> (recall that case of usg "trained" special op dead in mortar "accident" ?) << There was one of those from the home town. 1 week till his USMC contract expired, mortar exploded in Arizona desert during training exercise
mircea_popescu: why the fuck. everything is better with explosions ?
mircea_popescu: ReadErr anyway, if you like arc velocity etc, know you're not the first. the french word is patanque.
BingoBoingo: In other news, went to the accountant (very short walk) to sign papers again because... The office of officing things apparently has an anal child thing when it comes to matching signatures
BingoBoingo: not uncommon for the elderly azn shopkeeps to get "knockout game"'d
BingoBoingo: !<mircea_popescu> http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident. << In St Louis
mircea_popescu: phf at least mortar is only OCCASIONALLY harmful to the fun seeker.
ReadErr: but the physics of it
ReadErr: oh yea the damage is way less in a game
mircea_popescu: though i also suppose misrepresentation in media has a lot to do with ellaborate misperception. no, if you drop one on your toe you're not going to escape with merely the gift of blindness, "like that guy in scent of a woman".
asciilifeform: ( see also the gardening thread.. )
mircea_popescu: in there with "i gnaw at my own prepuce and shove nail clippings into my lacrimal ducts" sorta "fun"
mircea_popescu: nfi who'd throw grenades recreationally, but i suspect the reason it's part of mental diagnosis is because it's so fucking unfun, you have to have serious issues to think otherwise.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763141 << the us "lets you" in the same way anyone ever will, drive to the desert and blast away. the only problem is that i'd rate throwing grenades at more annoying (in the sense, you'd have to pay me more to do it) than using a concrete drill/chainsaw for four hours. PER ITEM. even if you have the shoot spiggot on the ak they're a pain in the butt.
mircea_popescu: i can't imagine who has the energy/resources even. but...
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's "school"-induced passivization, "i have to spend twelve hours a day while a bunch of teachers/advertisers/politicans/whatever try their best to summon my attention out of the fatty crevices it hides into"
mircea_popescu: phf and when did the ustard female fall into this "everything exists to justify itself to me" trap anyway ? dude! if you're under 30 nobody's going to seek you out to explain lengthy explanation to obtain your permission, what the holy fuck omfg!
mircea_popescu: mechanism to "loosen out the pressure", if you will, ie textbook social dynamic. if you want context see ice cube & butt buddy interaction with their landlady's son in that abomination i referenced recently, wtf was it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah, it's a very genuine social dynamic in monkey society (or "african-american" if you prefer), wherein strength dominates the very crowded quarters they're forced into, but speed is more useful for the group (as seen in ferguson, say). consequently, quick fuckers now and again scurry behind the big kahuna and knock him out, just foer the experience of it.
mircea_popescu: "i was brushing my teeth this morning, officer, and i got distracted by a finger's worth of underboob in that gym advertisment, and so accidentally hit myself in the jaw with the toothrbush and that's the last i remeber! THERE WERE THREE OF THEM AND THEY WERE BLACK!!!1"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i pictured 'knockout' as vaguely like the thing where bratva would 'lose a man at cards'
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763132 << it's kinda funny how all sorta three-toothpicks-tied-together doods go like "oh, knockout game". the FUCKING IDEA is to knock out someone by surprise when it's even vaguely conceivable you couldn't have otherwise. who the fuck is going to "knockout game" some dood that looks like he'd get knocked out falling out of bed / in some kind of toothbrush incident.
mircea_popescu: for her oh-so-precious evaluation of things, that's why the world exists, so she can say "i rate this very good and interesting" ; then there they sit like so many manatees, "i am kinky and what's an entry point?!"
mircea_popescu: phf you know, "kinky" is rapidly becoming a very dirty word, sorta like "moron" ? 99% of my exposure to "kinky" comes from reviewing bot logs, where the pattern is 1. item self-identifies as "kinky" ; 2. bot goes through HELO/EHLO with them, provides entry point ; 3. they come back with "here is my valuation of $entry-point". because totally, anon bitch on meat market is a) in some kind of position of power and b) being asked
asciilifeform: ( unsurprisingly they don't all show up on traceroute )
mircea_popescu: there's what, a dozen switches in between ?
mircea_popescu: now calculate how much the dumbass ciscos burn on javascript-emulated iphone-for-nsa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no dood, the usg can turn it off! unlike you know, interwebs.
mircea_popescu: "amateur musician", check out the thickness of delusion on these people. RAPPERS ARE NOT MUSICIANS OMFG!
mircea_popescu: motherfucker, "completed an alternative education program" at normandy high school ? fucking shoot him. o, wait.
BingoBoingo: Urban schools put a greater emphasis on the regalia
BingoBoingo: But the apparel is from his secondary school education.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: That's the one.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:51 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 14:01 BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763108 << i had to google the name, ran across principally the picture of an ugly orc thug in one of those university bonnets. why the fuck is a 18yo monkey wearing collegiate apparel, not nearly old enough ?
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform exhaustively scouted the market for any similar item, found 0 )
mircea_popescu: "lack of demand", in the sense of "demand" that is informed and deliberate.
asciilifeform: the proximate cause of death was, reportedly, the discontinuation of the jp micropower 68k and accompanying chipset, as that atlantis sank. and not replaced.
mircea_popescu: it's rather likely the boys-best-friend calc went exactly the way of lassie. too expensive, and who is the terrorist reminding people that back in the 60s, every boy owned a dog as training for when he'll own a bitch.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:14 asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763208 << i think that's a matter of perspective. i treat is as what knuth&graham call a "recurrent problem", i.e. it can be solved by finding a small case, which is self-similar to the whole. the solution can also be proved by induction
asciilifeform discovers that all of the links in that thread, are dead...
a111: Logged on 2015-09-10 00:32 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're mystified as to wtf all of this was, these old gadgets are (literally) 'derive.exe'-in-a-can.
asciilifeform: the ones currently sold are ~= ipnoje-running-emulator, internally ( 32bit 'arm' with 100s of MB of ram -- and doesn't add up to the original's 1980s 68k cpu )
ben_vulpes: not only that but it doesn't display 8 decimal places naively, and i don't care to figure out how to fixit, so it got binned on the spot.
ben_vulpes: so i dug this ti-89 platinum out of my closet last night to have something tactile to do arithmetic on and holy shit i'd completely forgotten about the input lag
a111: Logged on 2018-01-03 17:07 phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-03#1763202 << i've been thinking of abolishing the artifact where a 0 stays on the stack after the 'else' branch. it'd require only 1 extra state variable ( a WBool )
asciilifeform: phf: dunno that 'recursive' is the word. it's a wholly ordinary iteration.
phf: we repeat the base case n-1 times.
phf: using the boolean we execute an if/else branch which either swaps the two numbers and drops the top most '_, or drops the top most without swapping _. the final drop _ is an artifact of conditional implementation that always leaves a value on the stack.
phf: the base operation is comparison <, but it drops both numbers, so we need to preserve them first by using a `` . we are left with a boolean result of a comparison and the two numbers
phf: the algorithm http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2071&cpage=1#comment-18558 is recursive, where a base case examines two values at the top of the stack and leaves the one that's larger: ``< {'_}{_} _
ben_vulpes: mine's been doing a marvelous job at staying at the tip, and i suspect that my network slices have made transaction broadcasting more reliable, but This Ain't Science
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: !~later tell trinque how does deedbot's block-fetch history for past 2wk look ? zoolag's performed very, very well re 'tip of spear' , and there appear to exist at least 5 other fully-synced trb boxen that regularly speak to it.
asciilifeform: phf: be so kind as to demonstrate yours on pehbot for the permalog
phf: oh hey, PeterL also did an optimization that i didn't notice at the time
asciilifeform wonders if same is true in other million-meatbag cities
phf: so i pulled an old iphone out of storage for travel, and discovered that half the ips it gets are klined on freenode. at least from nyc
asciilifeform suspects that subjective latency depends more on statistical spread than the avg delay.
asciilifeform: 'If we look at overall results, the fastest machines are ancient. Newer machines are all over the place. Fancy gaming rigs with unusually high refresh-rate displays are almost competitive with machines from the late 70s and early 80s, but “normal” modern computers can’t compete with thirty to forty year old machines.'
asciilifeform: ^ though i'ma nitpick, i actually ~had~ ( nao sold, ty phf ! for finding buyer ) a symbolics 3620 ; and it beat the shit out of the 2000s crapples, winblowz boxen, etc, at least subjectively. ( i did not obtain a 1000fps camera, unlike in the experiment claimed by linked item )
asciilifeform: but in very unrelated lulz, https://archive.is/bON1p >> 'It’s a bit absurd that a modern gaming machine running at 4,000x the speed of an apple 2, with a CPU that has 500,000x as many transistors (with a GPU that has 2,000,000x as many transistors) can maybe manage the same latency as an apple 2 in very carefully coded applications if we have a monitor with nearly 3x the refresh rate.'
a111: Logged on 2017-10-05 00:19 asciilifeform: here's a choice lulzgem: 'One-location hammering is based on a previously unknown Rowhammer effect. With one-location hammering, the attacker only runs a Flush+Reload loop on a single memory address at the maximum frequency. This virtually keeps the DRAM bank permanently open. We observed that one-location hammering drains enough charge from the DRAM cells to induce bit flips.'
asciilifeform: 0 mention in 'mainstream media' re the obvious reason ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-05#1720909 ) why.
asciilifeform: in other lulz, intel ceo sells 100% of the stock his contract permitted him to sell ( and even filed the mandatory usg report to hitler, hence how it came out )
deedbot: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/01/03/una-bandita-robo-mi-escalara-de-cama-un-historia-para-todos-edads/ << Bingo Blog - Una Bandita Robo Mi Escalara De Cama Un Historia Para Todos Edads
BingoBoingo: Nah, just the sparkly stuff. MP got the bigger stuff though http://trilema.com/2018/happy-mew-years/
BingoBoingo: ReadErr: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/ for updates on the journey here. Disregard the name. I've been sober for a couple years now.
BingoBoingo: Here the locals say Ciuda Vieja is dangerous at night. I walk around there at night. Very safe. Just a bunch of idle dorks sitting around.
ReadErr: he went to the news trying to say he was a knockout game victim
ReadErr: they beat him up pretty good
ReadErr: there was a guy on efnet
BingoBoingo: Anyways if you go into St Louis now at night, even in the "nice" areas... there is a 50/50 chance you get surrounded by a crowd of youth with half of them on their phones calling your pasty ass a nigger and waiting to surprise you with WORLDSTARHIPHOP
BingoBoingo: The "nice" areas now are a daylight only sort of affair. Like the old "sundown towns" but in reverse
ReadErr: and the super not nice ones
BingoBoingo: And were you there before or after Micheal Brown was martyred in August 2014? Since then the city's gone into a far more intense race war