asciilifeform: but if you to compute the particular output expected for S1, S2 in advance, you gotta specify the clock freq, and run fg.v in e.g. 'verilator' . and it takes a while. )
asciilifeform: ( folx who ~did~ read it , know that it is possible to determine that a particular fg evaluates the same function on the input, for a particular string pair S1, S2 of bits, fed simultaneously into I1a, I2a, I1b, I2b, of FG a and b respectively; by syncing the oscillators , by connecting the 4th pins of a and b together.
asciilifeform: sometimes i wonder if mircea_popescu ever actually read the instruction.
asciilifeform: right. and if that's what you get out of the hose, you know that you've been slipped a fg that sha512('hurr'+sha512('hurr'....
asciilifeform: ok i'll bite, where does it store the correct-output corresponding to, e.g., tomorrow's #t log
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:09 asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size
asciilifeform: there is nuffin unreasonable about it, i just dun have the arse-mouth hoses set up atm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you would have to feed'em in pairwise ( or bit-interleaved ), as the thing has two 'mouths'. but otherwise yes, you feed'em in at particular clock, and oughta expect particular output.
asciilifeform: the standard yoke test is done against a known-good unit, rather than like this. ( why, is described in the log from late 2016 )
asciilifeform doesn't currently have the rig for this set up on desk
asciilifeform: you gotta feed it in at the requisite clock.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the yoke test consists of precisely this experiment
a111: Logged on 2018-01-12 00:39 mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << are you basically saying that there's a maximum size of the black box which permits it to remain black to abritrary shaking ?
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 23:33 trinque: also in batman, "my parents are dead!!11!", also shows up a lot in disney garbage. interesting how art does its thing whether they producing meant to or not.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769488 << this is very much a function as well as result of http://trilema.com/2018/ridoinculous-taboos/ : "having never fucked toghether, my parents are culturally dead to me."
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 23:19 trinque fully expects to live to hear the explanation for this cuckery reduced to "they sat down too much, oh and plastic"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769475 << hey, the boers tried, but ultimately couldn't get the kids interested in anything other than fucking around with period equiv of iphone, gave up, went away.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 23:07 asciilifeform: '“Due to network congestion and manual processing, we have closed ticket payments using cryptocurrencies — Hopefully, next year there will be more unity in the community about scaling and global adoption becomes a reality.' << lol, theywontfuckingyield(tm)(r)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769458 << i find these lulshits, "alien conference" held by the la comicon whores in the la comicon hangars as a very useful sugar trap. rms -- opted to go to nefario's lulference, is now fucked.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 17:09 asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769081 << are you basically saying that there's a maximum size of the black box which permits it to remain black to abritrary shaking ?
shinohai: http://archive.is/EKwAf <<< LOL " Through their Change.org petition, they want to make BCH the default trading market on Coinbase"
asciilifeform: dunno that this one'd make it to the top of the raging idiocies list; blood feud is lowest common denominator for revenge-plot
trinque: any personal exceptions I can offer were fresh off the boat.
trinque: also in batman, "my parents are dead!!11!", also shows up a lot in disney garbage. interesting how art does its thing whether they producing meant to or not.
a111: Logged on 2015-03-11 03:53 asciilifeform: my mind is still reeling that anyone, anywhere, might have swallowed the '3000 sq. ft for two dozen people', 'grow room' the size of bedroom, idiot hollywood 'motorcycle garage' and 'gun vault', etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 21:52 mircea_popescu: lobbes except for the part where the way these "resources" work in his case is exactlyu contrary to the way they work in every other case.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769420 << aha, 'batman' is exactly a picture of the http://btcbase.org/log/2015-03-11#1048383 ameritard-fantasy
shinohai: All African shitholes blend together to me
asciilifeform: ( not zair either ! )
trinque fully expects to live to hear the explanation for this cuckery reduced to "they sat down too much, oh and plastic"
a111: Logged on 2016-07-11 12:27 mircea_popescu: "If you are white, no positive, active role is left to you. Either you accommodate yourself to the unreasonable, or you play out your life in some futile back alley. You are doomed to this by the disgraceful history of your kind. Maybe it's fair, maybe it's not, but it is the way things are." << from another schmuck with a nobel prize.
ben_vulpes: serious wordsalading: "The need to protect sensitive information being sent during war times can be attributed to the development of various encryption technologies, which are now widely available to the general public."
asciilifeform: lemme guess, another 'ohnoez, tor worx toowell!!111' piece
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 18:48 mircea_popescu: consequently taking something uttered by usg asset as words rather than "o look what kitten did with its own faeces!" is a little weird.
trinque: what congestion; pay more than what half the mempool wants to pay, what?
asciilifeform: '“Due to network congestion and manual processing, we have closed ticket payments using cryptocurrencies — Hopefully, next year there will be more unity in the community about scaling and global adoption becomes a reality.' << lol, theywontfuckingyield(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: re earlier, 'The vulnerability described here is caused by Linux kernel behaviour change in the syscall API (returning relative pathnames in getcwd()) and non-defensive function implementation in libc (failing to process that pathname correctly). Other libraries are very likely to be affected as well. On affected systems this vulnerability can be used to gain root privileges via SUID binaries.'
shinohai: !~weather
jhvh1: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: It's this thing where the children imagine they've transcended mommy and daddy's church only to plagiarize it
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu recently saw "looper", a nine MILLIONTH!!! same retelling of here's whart we ustards managed to steal off the bible, whore (single mother!!!) and repentant sinner (junkie!!!) save baby jesus << That's half of US film between 2001 and 2015
mircea_popescu: have you been taking snark classes along the sanskrit phf ?
state_bits: Hello, been lurking trilema for a little bit. Figured I'd join the channel and learn more about tmsr and bitcoin
lobbes: Oya. Hence the "premise alone". Falls apart rapidly beyond that, but I appreciate at least the attempt at "jesus/aliens ain't coming to save you; save your fucking self. Get over and embrace your fears, etc"
mircea_popescu: lobbes except for the part where the way these "resources" work in his case is exactlyu contrary to the way they work in every other case.
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769401 << Somewhat relatedly, this is why I've always preferred the "Batman" over other american superhero lore, at least on premise alone. Roughly the only "realistic" one of the bunch. No magic flies ingested, just a dude who leverages his large pool of financial -resources- and goes out and does vigilante shit with it.
mircea_popescu: the new trend is recycled 1990s fashion models. except a) fucking little boys is no longer fashionablr and b) what was acceptable in 1995 of 16yo "women" because 90s and gayness is not acceptable of the same women aged 40 today.
phf: yes, but nobody's produced illustrated version of bible where all the womens have large, barely covered tits
mircea_popescu: canned fucking tomatoes are not even worth eating in the first place.
mircea_popescu: "what, you mean walk out of town ?" "WHAT FUCKING TOWN!" "but... but... it could be dangerous." "Bitch..." "think of the children!!!"
mircea_popescu: "oh, great day today, we found walmart surplus cans, rather than the usual polish crap"
mircea_popescu: phf suppose you live in arhangelsk oblast, and suppose all they ever serve is some derivative of supermarket food. mostly, canned tomatoes.
mircea_popescu: and the fact that they're all stolen from new testament cliffnotes particularly irritates me.
phf: "the name is DAHveed"
phf: the woman twist is just a modern twist on american lore
mircea_popescu: (and by the way -- martial arts ARE FOR MEN. it dun work for women. AT ALL!)\
mircea_popescu: "why do any work, just wait around to be knocked up by god and then get a divorce settlement from god court" ~= "action movie" ffs.
mircea_popescu: no, i blame the stupid fucking wankers involved.
mircea_popescu: you'd think everyone is away fighting the aliens or some shit, and this is what happens in the meanwhile.
mircea_popescu: whole fucking pantsuit world cinema is entirely "man puts magic into woman belly and then activates it and then woman wins" wank.
mircea_popescu: no they don't even have to study anything, evil patriarchy will put magical blue pills in their tummy and then beat them into activation see, and then LUCY will become divine through downloading magics.
phf: yes, but what if they study martial arts
mircea_popescu: only one per, tho, so the whole queue gets some!
asciilifeform: the 'phree choice!11' chix that'd look at home at a clitler fundraiser, transplanted somehow , undamaged, into postapocalyptic wastelands -- is almost mandatory trope these days
mircea_popescu: ie, "they'll use you for breeding grounds and you'll love it"
mircea_popescu: notwithdstanding that the ACTUALY, LIVED!!! experience of whores just like her in a situation just as described is exactly http://trilema.com/2016/a-novel-once-called-disgrace/
mircea_popescu: it was god awful, that dumb bitch is like "threatening vagrants" and going about that huge farm house as if mommy-usg is there to protect "her freedom of choice"
asciilifeform: and other similars
asciilifeform: the one where some d00d's fingers vanish 1 by 1 as he -- back in time -- is dismembered
mircea_popescu: so yes, the impression that the whole place just spins the same ancient, dog eared retelling of the same stolen story and therefore that everyone there is braindamaged has A LOT to do with the attempted idnustrialization of culture.
mircea_popescu recently saw "looper", a nine MILLIONTH!!! same retelling of here's whart we ustards managed to steal off the bible, whore (single mother!!!) and repentant sinner (junkie!!!) save baby jesus
phf: but then (presumably since i've not read en) brandyskoks or some such is probably original english, and preserved
phf: all the names that are "common tongue", got russian translations
asciilifeform: tho i dun think i have the jacket anymoar
phf: the hardcover with yellow dust juckets?
asciilifeform to this very day does not own the engl original
asciilifeform: the 1 missing vol3
asciilifeform liked the original, but ~as a kid~ and deliberately won't re-eat it, these things ~never survive re-opening in adulthood
apeloyee: would 'doon' be a good replacement for "dune" books? because I recently compared Bored with the Rings with the original, an' find the original insufferable. 'hobbit' at least doesn't pretend to be any more than a fairy-tale for children.
mircea_popescu: (because yes -- this is the fundamental truth of computers -- rts is scifi and tbs is fantasy and fuck anyone who genderconfuses!)
mircea_popescu: i never cared for the twitch-style "competitions". besides, who wants can quake, no need for fantasy rpg, let him have his sf and choke on it.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:58 a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 20:02 asciilifeform: re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc.
phf: is the new api still going to support real time? i take it you basically have two types of data communicated: spreadsheet mgmt and the sword swinging. right now bulk of complexity is from trying to cary spreadsheet data over sword swinging api (which i think is basically just a giant enum of msg types that can be packed into a udp)
phf: joke (?) re blender was that the original blender "consumer came to expect" was the rewrite of the NaN's idiosyncratic gui into slightly less idiosyncratic gui that current version of blender has. i think happened around 2.03
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:45 phf: diana_coman: yeah, i remember the python 2/3 rants in logs here too. i take it s.mg at this point mails CDs of prefab player AND developer environments
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769035 << nah, the idea currently is that the current client gets trashed, hopefully this year, with the release of proper api for server interconnect ; and ppls write clients.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769019 << fuck removable, wtf. let them deal with it!!1
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:00 asciilifeform sometimes sees photos of africans, straw ebola huts in background, wearing 'nike', tshirts, etc. and wonders if typical ameritard viewer sees 'ooh hey they get Real Clothing, Like Us' rather than 'hmm why am i dressed like ebola african'
a111: Logged on 2017-12-13 18:10 mircea_popescu: affiliate. "Hi, this is Bill from Cleveland, and I blame liberals." Son of a bitch, why didn't I think of that. The system not only pays poor people, it employs lots and lots of almost poor people. I'm not saying this is a good thing, or a desirable thing, I am simply stating a fact. Some of these are direct government jobs (e.g. staff down at the SSI office) and some are pretend private sector jobs. If you're a psychiatrist
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's a whole population of ustards who are entirely invested in this as a lifetime choice. dood with "Degree" in nothing in particular firmly depends on the whole social security infrastructure in place being continued.
asciilifeform: ( folx who remember e.g. tokamak, will find the dynamic familiar )
asciilifeform: there's a whole pseudoindustry being born , of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769090 - ing for qc
apeloyee: asciilifeform: if he does, then not Officially.
mircea_popescu: ie, out and out "we got a line into the oil pipe, now we need mass to swing it!" joy call of the nigger.
mircea_popescu: apeloyee o you have simulators too now ?! but yes, "we are now entering a littoral combat quantumship era, where the fiatola conduits are well in place and thoroughly divorced from results, so all you disgusting niggers listening in -- know that it's a "safe" field in the sense your "criminology" degrees are."
asciilifeform: hey, the 'we dun need to win, all we gotta do is print in nyt front page that we did' can carry on right up until the turks come over the city walls
apeloyee: Meanwhile, one ardent quantum computerist, one John Preskill made a 'keynote speech' or whatnot https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.00862.pdf "Even with fault-tolerant quantum computing still a rather distant dream, we are now entering a pivotal new era in quantum technology. For this talk, I needed a name to describe this impending new era, so I made up a word: NISQ . This stands for Noisy Intermediate-Sc
mircea_popescu: and i can't quite shake the impression that someone over at pantsuit hq actually imagines they "won" teh global warming lulz.
asciilifeform: ~none of their behaviour rises to the complexity of, whatever, cat, dog, rat. perl script.
mircea_popescu: consequently taking something uttered by usg asset as words rather than "o look what kitten did with its own faeces!" is a little weird.
mircea_popescu: whole thing's based on the idea that no past, no future, never will have to answer for anything etc.
mircea_popescu: it's hard to believe they even trhink at all, just type what's on the paper slip, move on.
mircea_popescu: recall when gmaxwell said "oh, i showed $item to "everyone in pr team" and the median time to break it was $minutes" and provided no further details ?
asciilifeform: i dun expect he even made it to the bottom of ch1
asciilifeform: phf: d00d is paid for simple job. he did the job, moved on to next item on conveyor
phf: i like how who was it ptacek who "grabbed popcorn" at the mention of "all existing crypto suffers from...", but since them no comment.
asciilifeform: there may be ~something~ salvageable in it, but i was not able to see what exactly.
apeloyee: it has timesaving-heuristics that use the highbits << I thought it was to choose what to add? can't prove right now, though
mircea_popescu: brother is right.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me, asciilifeform's brother not long ago said to asciilifeform re ffaseries, 'think, how many chinese phd theses you've written'
asciilifeform: ^ this item is part of asciilifeform's larger thrust, to expunge every remaining vestige of the ( muchly nsa-pushed , for 60+ yrs nao ) 'rotorism' ( http://btcbase.org/log/2017-07-18#1686308 , http://btcbase.org/log/2015-05-29#1147450 , elsewhere ) from sane crypto.
asciilifeform: the objection last time we had this thread ( iirc by mircea_popescu ) was the pain of doing this with large inputs
asciilifeform: so naturally invites the q of 'why not a trapdoor based on multiplication of primes'.
mircea_popescu: and for the record : prime generation (as in trpng) is not THAT expensive these days.
mircea_popescu: entirely true that if one builds a hash which can be provenly as strong as rsa, then thathash powered oaep would be the natural padding for rsa
asciilifeform: it is if i can remove one of the unfounded postulates and still have working item.
asciilifeform: *the
mircea_popescu: ok then.
mircea_popescu: dja understand the difference between "proven strong" and "decent" "satisfactory" etc other offthecuffness ?
asciilifeform: nope. again, as strong as the hash. hash falls -- it falls.
mircea_popescu: the scheme ~itself~ is ~proven~ to be strong. which is way the fuck more than can be said of the "decent" or "satisfactory" in above.
asciilifeform: theoretically could make one that only stands on 1, rsa.
asciilifeform: an oaep (or similar scheme) ciphertron rests on 2 elephants : strength of rsa, and strength of the (voodoo) hash.
mircea_popescu: "this compuer is proven correct" "only as correct as the inputs" "stfu"
asciilifeform: they are exactly same item as symmciphers.
mircea_popescu: yes. the one item proved to be strong.
asciilifeform: as strong ~as the hash~
mircea_popescu: it's the one item proved to be strong.
mircea_popescu: padding is the ~one item where we actually don't need a fix.
asciilifeform: ( in fact, if we had a decent prime-constructor, 'cut it in half and multiply the 2 large primes you get , 1 from each half' would be a decent hash for such use )
asciilifeform: and incidentally, all you want for padding is a n-bit-to-n-bit hash; and if rsa itself is strong, than simple modexp ( or , if you like, two, 1 the normal way, and then 1 of the output bits, reversed ) is a satisfactory hash for paddings.
ben_vulpes: can't dance well unless you've stared starvation in the eyes in the past three years apparently
shinohai: That's some 1984-level stripper shit there ben_vulpes
mircea_popescu: in other lifestyle & bed, bath -- zee germanz opened a deli here, finally smoked ribs and shit.
ben_vulpes: while we're on the topic of american ersatzolade: https://www.recode.net/2018/1/9/16870894/ces-2018-pole-dancing-robots-giles-walker-strip-club-las-vegas
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform angle ? what angle. these are simpleminded people, not up to angles yet. those are the WORDS.
mircea_popescu: woman is not a profession. bank "for agricultors" makes sense because4 they get leasing deals with the machinery producers.
asciilifeform: what's the angle?
mircea_popescu: i find it apt it'd be the definitive stripper's name, but really now, a bank FOR WOMEN ?
asciilifeform: eb services on-board to accept WOMEN COIN is one of their official payment methods.'
asciilifeform: 'Women coin will become the ultimate business coin for women. We all know that this altcoin market is mainly operated by men, just like the entire world. We want to stop this. From this moment on everyone should keep in mind that we women are as important as men. This is why Women coin project has been formed. ... We want to bring the female standard of importance under the attention with every WOMEN coin trade. Also we want to get w
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:44 phf: heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1"
asciilifeform: but yes it goes back to the eternal 'what is random' thread
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:42 phf: my grandfather (and his generation) spent their leisure time working on cars (also billiard and preferance). i can't help but think that working on keyboards is a bit of a step down :o
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:28 asciilifeform: phf: i even suspect that it is possible to improve the cornall design with... randomized scan. i suspect that the sequential scan, sets up resonances.
asciilifeform: it has timesaving-heuristics that use the highbits
apeloyee: likely kochanski's multiplier is the next simplest thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I'll press the accountant on the bank applying strategy, and approach banks on my own until the list is exhausted.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo eg, have you "applied" to every single bank in town, making it plain to them that UNLESS they get it done by next week they will probably lose out on the business AND that it is to your superior white man eye inconceivable as well as a shocking break from human community that they take so very long,. and shoulds really be very ashamed of self, much like waiter who takes a piss in your wine ?
asciilifeform: apeloyee: karatsubaization doesn't need one either
asciilifeform: it'd work. and would also let you rearrange the keys
BingoBoingo: The datacenter folks released these anecdotes yesterday. The extent of the sovietitude here beyond "Latinos burn 10 days on fireworks" is something I was not anticipating.
mircea_popescu: phf seems your cable being unchanged the samne problem may even recur!
phf: well, it's 800 to the controller, not, like, straight to machine
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 15:27 phf: hmm, they gave up on 1 key 1 wire long before though. those pdp keyboards, dec? was space cadet it?
trinque: I'll be out for a while today, back in the evening
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769049 << nah lets get it going on your hardware too. idea is we get kernels in there for usable hardware.
asciilifeform: the 8k takes external spi config
asciilifeform: unless there's a seekrit catalogue i dun have
apeloyee: the 'ice' is one such
mircea_popescu: why wasn't this in there dec 15th ? pshaw.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: they have very slow-writing storage for the bitstream (nand flash, with ~10k cycle endurance) so definitely not practical
asciilifeform: apeloyee: adder is just a series of xor's. but yes you need shift registers to hold the operands, and one to hold the result ( which then can be shifted )
apeloyee: can you use one 'ice' to generate a bitstream for another one?
mircea_popescu: what happened to "but i must warn you mr bb, "applying for bank accounts:" is a thing, bank doesn't open acct ON THE SPOT, takes 8 years"
BingoBoingo: Apparently they waited until after the business registration went through Friday to apply for bank accounts.
apeloyee: *double the result"
asciilifeform: i still dislike having to use toolchain from hitler to compile the bitstream. and thereby the current fg is the last time i use a xilinx in a product.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And thus my increasing annoyance with the locals. They aren't ustards, but their slow speed to anything is grating.
asciilifeform: it is also unusual in that it accepts no input from the computer
asciilifeform: there are not many items, even conceptually, that can be audited this way
asciilifeform: apeloyee: fg is a very unusual device, in that you can actually put, e.g., terabyte of known input into it, and only you know what the half-GB that ought to come out, is, there is not physically room inside for a secret crib sheet of that size
apeloyee: it's the 1 product currently sold, that's worth buying. << and the xilinx item in 'fuckgoats'?
asciilifeform: and it's the 1 fpga currently sold that's worth copying ( scaled-up, naturally )
asciilifeform: it's the 1 product currently sold, that's worth buying.
asciilifeform: the only cure for this is to fab own fpga.
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the most immediate risk is that 'ice' series simply goes out of print. like anything else.
phf: aaye, boss wantsa one of them servers, brought you eggheads some mulah
asciilifeform: apeloyee: they could in principle try intel-style fascism with built-in rsa sig verifier or the like. but afaik the only vendor to date to attempt any such thing, was xilinx, and it wasn't even in earnest
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so what's the plan here, drop upon the dc with brown paper bag fulla cash ?
asciilifeform: apeloyee: nothing per se. but the 'fiddled' chip is likely to be reversable with same methods, on account of being homogeneous
mircea_popescu: they sell plastic guns...
asciilifeform: it is sorta how like american hardware store would love to sell plastic pipe wrenches. but you can't actually work with those, so they don't.
apeloyee: what's to stop Lattice from yanking the reversed ice and introducing similar-but-incompatible per the playbook?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well acordding to Uruguay it's a business. How long until there's a bank account is a mystery. Moving discussions ahead with the datacenter with the understanding that if a local bank account isn ready in time, there will be some way to pay them.
asciilifeform: so yes, the only reason why anybody sells ice and 95xx -like 'sea of gates' at all, is that for 'glue' (simple boolean functions of signals, for e.g. bus decoding, addressing, simple i/o multiplexing) is that you can't actually do it reliably with the non-seaofgates devices
asciilifeform: the smaller ones are 'sea of gates' as they are intended to be used for glue logic, and emphasize predictable path timing ( the analogous xilinx series is the 95xx , as used in FUCKGOATS )
asciilifeform: apeloyee: the larger chips by lattice co are already xilinx-like
a111: Logged on 2017-09-02 20:02 asciilifeform: re the archs -- lattice ice is analogous to children's toy 'lego' where you get 9,000 identical bricks; xilinx ( and altera, and the 'adult' lattice fpga on fancy dev boards ) are analogous to... i guess the 'erector' toy, where there are a certain number of fungible pieces, but also ~a~ motor, ~a~ heavy iron base, a quantity of gears, etc.
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:49 apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 << do I understand correctly that there's nowhere to store the result, as there seems to be enough hw adders in an 'ice'?also, it seems that the same authors are trying to reverse some xilinx nao: https://symbiflow.github.io/
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769036 << this is correct, it simply doesn't have enough LUTs to store even the 2 operands, not even speaking of result. however xilinx is a dead end : because it is 1) nonhomogeneous 2) they switch the internals regularly, specifically to prevent a reversing from being useful in the long term. see old xilinx threads in the logs for detail
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 13:46 BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-10#1768419 << All reg'd now the accounts are filing bank account papers. Datacenter rep did indeed disclose lack of care where wire transfers come from so long as paid
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768945 << "all x except not x.y" bejaysus. how long until you have it all up then ?
diana_coman: shinohai, what was the trouble?
diana_coman: plenty of things for the pick up really
a111: Logged on 2018-01-04 20:06 asciilifeform: in other 'news', it is apparently impossible to fit even ONE 4096-bit adder into an ice40-8k ( the largest in the series )
apeloyee: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-04#1764242 << do I understand correctly that there's nowhere to store the result, as there seems to be enough hw adders in an 'ice'?also, it seems that the same authors are trying to reverse some xilinx nao: https://symbiflow.github.io/
phf: diana_coman: yeah, i remember the python 2/3 rants in logs here too. i take it s.mg at this point mails CDs of prefab player AND developer environments
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 14:41 danielpbarron: !~later tell trinque ok i finally got around to looking at this cuntoo thing. machine can't load the kernel. when i chroot to try to rebuild it, i can't even mount /dev points or df -h
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1768950 << can't load your own custom kernel eh? anyhow I'd need the barf to help you, picture of screen even. as for mounting dev in the chroot, you must "mount -obind /dev /path/to/build/dev"
lobbesbot: Logged on 2016-11-28 14:51:45: <diana_coman> basically whatever blender version is the last to work on python 2.x
diana_coman: phf, quite; Blender 2.66 for the record; the stopping point though was basically latest working with acceptable version of Python
a111: Logged on 2018-01-11 16:03 asciilifeform: they dunbelieve in sidewalks there ( repurposed as orcish parkinglot , as in many post-su lands ) and after coupla days of walking on rubble in 'civilized' shoes , feet resemble chinese bamboo punishment victim's
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-01-11#1769016 <- ahahaha, I walked those sidewalks for years and in high heels too; it's a skill! (leather shoes though, always, proper Romanian shoes)
BingoBoingo: Ah, the uruguayan sidewalks are intentionally textured like rubble!
asciilifeform: they dunbelieve in sidewalks there ( repurposed as orcish parkinglot , as in many post-su lands ) and after coupla days of walking on rubble in 'civilized' shoes , feet resemble chinese bamboo punishment victim's
phf: actually texans make those cowboy boots, i've been gifted two pairs at different times, and they are incredibly comfortable. but of course they are not ideal on pavement, and it's also stylistically a bold move on the east coast
asciilifeform sometimes sees photos of africans, straw ebola huts in background, wearing 'nike', tshirts, etc. and wonders if typical ameritard viewer sees 'ooh hey they get Real Clothing, Like Us' rather than 'hmm why am i dressed like ebola african'
BingoBoingo: Here the trend seems to be Nike plastic de China for the youth and imitation real shoes for the adults, with substantial amounts of flip flops mixed in
BingoBoingo simply went to Rural King, got pair of Redwings off the shelf. Traded ~$200 and began ritual break in process
asciilifeform: in timisoara, 'boot valhalla', walk into ~any shop and for 1.5x of what 1 pair of typical chinese liquishit costs in shitland, you get italian boots , with actual leather, insulation , proper sole, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i suspect that decent shoes are somehow illegal in usa. they are ~entirely unavailable in any shop i've ever walked into there.
BingoBoingo: <phf> heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1" << Old leather always is something you can't get off the shelf
shinohai: I don't expect drastically different results than from first pass, but never hurts to poke these things with a stick some.
shinohai: Oh good morning mod6 .... gonna try the changes out later this afternoon, will report back
phf: heh "1992 vintage italian shoe. the sole i head to replace out of hand carved wood, but leather is literally like nothing you can get anymore!!1"
phf: my grandfather (and his generation) spent their leisure time working on cars (also billiard and preferance). i can't help but think that working on keyboards is a bit of a step down :o
asciilifeform: the flip side of the medal , is that once the thing is assembled, that's it, for another three decades
asciilifeform: ( and if you make a mistake -- ALL of the flappers fall out: all 122 of'em... )
asciilifeform: phf: exclusing items on wheels , i dun think i've ever owned a mechanical device that was as much of a bitch to reassemble , as the 'f'
asciilifeform: http://downloads.cornall.co/ibm-capsense-usb-web/ibm-capsense-usb.html << subj; for folx reading the thread and thinking 'wtf'
asciilifeform: phf: i even suspect that it is possible to improve the cornall design with... randomized scan. i suspect that the sequential scan, sets up resonances.
asciilifeform: ( the ones that used soldered wires instead of pcb -- still matrix. )
asciilifeform: at least every single one i've ever seen a photo of the inside of.
asciilifeform: all of them